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alphaod
Jun 7, 2011, 05:02 AM
Traditionally one could not upgrade from a client OS to a server OS nor vice versa. As Lion is now a Mac App Store only release and the server part of the OS is simply an additional download, what is the upgrade path for users with OS X Server machines? Do we have to do clean installs? Is it still an in-place upgrade with server tool download mandatory?

I was hoping someone could clear this up for me.



Hellhammer
Jun 7, 2011, 05:06 AM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/how-to-buy/

Looks like you must buy both, Lion and Lion Server.

alphaod
Jun 7, 2011, 05:14 AM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/how-to-buy/

Looks like you must buy both, Lion and Lion Server.

Thanks. Hopefully everything upgrades without me having to re-configure everything.

macjube
Jun 7, 2011, 08:47 AM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/how-to-buy/
Looks like you must buy both, Lion and Lion Server.
This page says it's a one-click purchase for $50 (instead of $30 for the basic Lion) so I'm presuming that $50 gets you both the basic Lion update and the Lion Server add-on, with a single installation script that automates the upgrade.

I wonder if Apple will sell a $20 Lion to Lion Server upgrade... I'm running Snow Leopard Server right now on a mid-2010 Mac Mini server, and the Software Update service really rocks. The Mini checks for updates and downloads them, and when my iMac and MacBook check the Mini for updates, the download is at gigabit-Ethernet speeds!

This would be great for all those people complaining in other threads that Apple's download-only decision for Lion will cause them to exceed their ISP download caps.

Hellhammer
Jun 7, 2011, 08:51 AM
This page says it's a one-click purchase for $50 (instead of $30 for the basic Lion) so I'm presuming that $50 gets you both the basic Lion update and the Lion Server add-on, with a single installation script that automates the upgrade.

I wonder if Apple will sell a $20 Lion to Lion Server upgrade... I'm running Snow Leopard Server right now on a mid-2010 Mac Mini server, and the Software Update service really rocks. The Mini checks for updates and downloads them, and when my iMac and MacBook check the Mini for updates, the download is at gigabit-Ethernet speeds!

This would be great for all those people complaining in other threads that Apple's download-only decision for Lion will cause them to exceed their ISP download caps.

It specifically says that you will need to buy both:

When OS X Lion is released in July, simply open the Mac App Store from your Dock to buy and download Lion and Lion Server.

macjube
Jun 7, 2011, 09:02 AM
It specifically says that you will need to buy both:

I stand corrected, thank you. I had clicked on the "Upgrade to OS X Lion" link at the bottom of http://www.apple.com/macosx/server/, which took me to the basic Lion upgrade instructions.

If anyone from Apple is listening, that link at the bottom should take you to the same page as the "How to Buy" link at the top of the page!

Waragainstsleep
Jun 7, 2011, 09:10 AM
I guess this means no more virtual Mac servers...

alphaod
Jun 8, 2011, 08:40 PM
This would be great for all those people complaining in other threads that Apple's download-only decision for Lion will cause them to exceed their ISP download caps.

It feels like Apple is now marketing their Server product for home users now. My server isn't even connected to my local machines. The software update feature sure sounds great, but I won't make use of it unfortunately.


But it's still good to know the upgrade to Lion Server will be a very quick and fluid process.

cosmos
Jun 12, 2011, 02:48 AM
It specifically says that you will need to buy both:

The information Apple is posting seems contradictory to me. They state the following:

"Now you can quickly and easily turn just about any Mac into a powerful server that’s perfect for home offices, businesses, schools, and hobbyists alike. Lion Server is coming to the Mac App Store in July for $49.99."

If you click on the "How to Buy" button it talks about upgrading an existing Snow Leopard Server by purchasing the upgrade. It does not state that you must have SL Server installed for the upgrade to run. It seems to me that two or more people worded the information on the Lion Server pages.

Arstechnica has a story that says it is just the $49 upgrade:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/06/lion-server-will-be-an-extra-50-via-the-mac-app-store.ars

We will know for sure next month, but it appears to me that Apple is selling Lion Server for just a $49 upgrade to SL Client. The most promising part to me is the hobbyists mentioned in the quote from Apple above. Of course I could be wrong in my assumptions.

Hellhammer
Jun 12, 2011, 06:18 AM
The information Apple is posting seems contradictory to me. They state the following:

"Now you can quickly and easily turn just about any Mac into a powerful server thatís perfect for home offices, businesses, schools, and hobbyists alike. Lion Server is coming to the Mac App Store in July for $49.99."

If you click on the "How to Buy" button it talks about upgrading an existing Snow Leopard Server by purchasing the upgrade. It does not state that you must have SL Server installed for the upgrade to run. It seems to me that two or more people worded the information on the Lion Server pages.

Arstechnica has a story that says it is just the $49 upgrade:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/06/lion-server-will-be-an-extra-50-via-the-mac-app-store.ars

We will know for sure next month, but it appears to me that Apple is selling Lion Server for just a $49 upgrade to SL Client. The most promising part to me is the hobbyists mentioned in the quote from Apple above. Of course I could be wrong in my assumptions.

Yeah, it's definitely a bit confusing. Well, I guess we will see how it works in a month or so.

stukdog
Jun 14, 2011, 06:25 PM
This was posted today if it helps at all

An Informative Look at Lion Server (****************q6FrL)

cosmos
Jun 15, 2011, 01:48 AM
This was posted today if it helps at all

An Informative Look at Lion Server (****************q6FrL)

Thanks for the link that clears up the upgrade process.

Upgrade to Lion and then if you want server purchase the App and run the configuration and downloading of additional components is pulled automatically.

Total cost is $80 USD which is an amazing deal over any version of 2008 without factoring in the additional cost of CALs per seat madness.

Phantom Gremlin
Jun 19, 2011, 02:38 AM
I assume that VMware will continue to support virtualizing OS X Server. Technically you couldn't run OS X in a VM w/o it being a server version (although there were workarounds posted).

I haven't tried running server in a VM, because it was way too expensive, nominally $500. But in 10.7, I don't mind paying another $50.

corbywan
Jul 6, 2011, 09:08 PM
I had the opportunity to do a test upgrade from SLS to Lion Server GM. I lost all my network users and groups. Only the local admin user remained. I have no idea what went wrong as no problems were reported.

Anyone else have a chance to mess with this?

pdjudd
Jul 7, 2011, 08:10 AM
I guess this means no more virtual Mac servers...
False. You can virtualize both client and server versions of Lion. The EULA specifically allows for this.

I assume that VMware will continue to support virtualizing OS X Server. Technically you couldn't run OS X in a VM w/o it being a server version (although there were workarounds posted).

Given that you cal virtualize Lion Desktop, the server version would be a non-issue

TomMyers
Jul 13, 2011, 08:57 PM
I had the opportunity to do a test upgrade from SLS to Lion Server GM. I lost all my network users and groups. Only the local admin user remained. I have no idea what went wrong as no problems were reported.

Anyone else have a chance to mess with this?

I had the exact same problem. It could be because I first installed Lion Server thinking that was what I should do. It installed fine, then when it was still 10.6 I installed lion. Everything seemed to work but I lost all my users.

Still trying to see if there is a way to get back the groups and users.

voigtstr
Jul 20, 2011, 08:04 AM
I had the exact same problem. It could be because I first installed Lion Server thinking that was what I should do. It installed fine, then when it was still 10.6 I installed lion. Everything seemed to work but I lost all my users.

Still trying to see if there is a way to get back the groups and users.

Is there a difinitive guide somewhere for migrating a mac mini server running snow leopard server to lion server? I don't want to buy it if its going to kill my blogs/wikis site and its users.

voigtstr
Jul 20, 2011, 06:53 PM
Yes there is a migration path ->

http://images.apple.com/macosx/server/docs/Upgrading_and_Migrating_v10.7.pdf

tomnewtonsmith
Jul 21, 2011, 07:51 AM
I had the exact same problem. It could be because I first installed Lion Server thinking that was what I should do. It installed fine, then when it was still 10.6 I installed lion. Everything seemed to work but I lost all my users.

Still trying to see if there is a way to get back the groups and users.

I bought lion last night, installed it over night, and I woke to find that two log in profiles have gone, my guest one is left and an old flat mate is the administrator and has forgotten the passwords.

What do I do?

extrachrispy
Jul 21, 2011, 08:35 AM
Yes there is a migration path ->

http://images.apple.com/macosx/server/docs/Upgrading_and_Migrating_v10.7.pdf

Upgrade in-place or force-decruftify with a new install?

It seems the latter could be a monumental pain, but at least on the client side, it's something I've favored with each major release.

laddbosworth
Jul 21, 2011, 09:49 AM
I upgraded from Snow leopard server to lion server yesterday and the upgrade wiped out all of my settings and websites... The worst part is that now I can't get the sites working again, they all go to the default Apple placeholder page.

I have two sites with 2 separate domain names that I was hosting on my snow leopard server. I recreated them in the new server app and pointed them to the right folders for the site documents, but when I try to load the URL from a browser I just get the apple "welcome to lion" page. Anyone have this problem and solve it?

There is a third site in the list that the server app created on it's own that does point to that welcome page, but I can't edit or delete that site in the list.

wingnut1979
Jul 21, 2011, 03:59 PM
I upgraded from Snow leopard server to lion server yesterday and the upgrade wiped out all of my settings and websites... The worst part is that now I can't get the sites working again, they all go to the default Apple placeholder page.

I have two sites with 2 separate domain names that I was hosting on my snow leopard server. I recreated them in the new server app and pointed them to the right folders for the site documents, but when I try to load the URL from a browser I just get the apple "welcome to lion" page. Anyone have this problem and solve it?

There is a third site in the list that the server app created on it's own that does point to that welcome page, but I can't edit or delete that site in the list.

I feel your pain... im in the exact same boat sadly.
best i've been able to do so far is change the default page for ONE of my sites.. so I can have a whole whopping 1 domain up and running

I'm gonna spend most of tonight beating my head against it to see if I cant find a solution

wingnut1979
Jul 21, 2011, 04:54 PM
Ok i got a fix! If you simply edit the httpd.conf file ( /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ) and add the line:
NameVirtualHost *:80
then restart the web service - it will then recognize the separate domains going to the server and direct them accordingly to where they need to go :)

voigtstr
Jul 21, 2011, 05:43 PM
After the reboot, the server is no longer talking to the Sony Bravia, and just for more fun I cant share the screen (from lion server admin tools on an iMac)

I can however use SSH to get to a command line. How do I get control of this server back and have it talk to my TV via hdmi?

Do I need to do the same edit to the httpd.conf to see my single domain?

wingnut1979
Jul 21, 2011, 05:53 PM
Do I need to do the same edit to the httpd.conf to see my single domain?

"need"? no
you can simply replace the default files with your own
( /Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/ )
but if you have it use a custom folder location then yes you would need to

voigtstr
Jul 21, 2011, 06:02 PM
"need"? no
you can simply replace the default files with your own
( /Library/Server/Web/Data/Sites/Default/ )
but if you have it use a custom folder location then yes you would need to

I'm using the blogs/wikis thing from snow leopard server...

any idea what I need to change at the command line so that screen sharing will work again?

wingnut1979
Jul 21, 2011, 06:34 PM
if using the wikis and all that, i'd say to just add your own index.html file to the default folder with the links in place to go to the wiki and blog sections or however you want to rig it

i just tested this on my test machine:
custom.url.com/wiki DID NOT work (edited hosts file to direct my custom url to 127.0.0.1)
localhost/wiki DID work

so any random domain which points at your server IP will go to the default folder UNLESS specified as having its own specific root folder

as far as the screen sharing thing... no clue - i can maybe screw around with it later when i get home in a few hours

(apologies if this post doesn't make 100% perfect sense... I'm in history class at the moment lol)

kaltmond
Jul 21, 2011, 06:53 PM
Anyone has this problem? After upgrade to Lion server, if i go to the adobe homepage via safari/chrome "www.adobe.com", it jumps to a wiki site of Mac os server, and if tip "www.adobe.com/de" just Not Found, but other sites are fine, only the adobes have problem.....

laddbosworth
Jul 22, 2011, 10:16 AM
Ok i got a fix! If you simply edit the httpd.conf file ( /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ) and add the line:
NameVirtualHost *:80
then restart the web service - it will then recognize the separate domains going to the server and direct them accordingly to where they need to go :)

Does it matter where we put the NameVirtualHost *:80? Is there a specific line it needs to go on?

voigtstr
Jul 22, 2011, 10:41 AM
I upgraded from Snow leopard server to lion server yesterday and the upgrade wiped out all of my settings and websites... The worst part is that now I can't get the sites working again, they all go to the default Apple placeholder page.

I have two sites with 2 separate domain names that I was hosting on my snow leopard server. I recreated them in the new server app and pointed them to the right folders for the site documents, but when I try to load the URL from a browser I just get the apple "welcome to lion" page. Anyone have this problem and solve it?

There is a third site in the list that the server app created on it's own that does point to that welcome page, but I can't edit or delete that site in the list.

logging in as root I was able to browse /library/collaboration and view the files that were stored in the archived wiki.. I was able to retrieve enough content that I'll be able to rebuild the wiki... would have been nice though if Lion would have migrated this stuff for us...

wingnut1979
Jul 22, 2011, 03:30 PM
Does it matter where we put the NameVirtualHost *:80? Is there a specific line it needs to go on?


i don't believe there is a specific line. i just added it to the very end and it worked like a champ

gellfling
Jul 31, 2011, 03:17 AM
We did the same thing, did the upgrade, and now all the users are screwed, the data is there, but the users were gone.

We fixed the websites, we found that the upgrade had made a new system Folder and all of the settings are in "Previous System"

pain = yes

we basically rest all the websites, back to the old folders they were in, reinstalled the Web Helpdesk we use.

Still having issues with users emails, calendars and address books

any with ideas would be great to hear :)

A2Steve
Aug 23, 2011, 08:35 PM
From Apple .com

Other administration tools aren't installed by default, including Server Admin, Workgroup Manager, System Image Utility, Podcast Composer, and Xgrid Admin. You can install these tools by downloading the Server Admin Tools for Mac OS X Lion Server from the AppleCare Support Downloads website at www.apple.com/support/downloads/.



I hope this helps every one

Colin2012
Jan 29, 2012, 04:43 PM
Traditionally one could not upgrade from a client OS to a server OS nor vice versa. As Lion is now a Mac App Store only release and the server part of the OS is simply an additional download, what is the upgrade path for users with OS X Server machines? Do we have to do clean installs? Is it still an in-place upgrade with server tool download mandatory?

I was hoping someone could clear this up for me.

I upgraded to OSX Lion server 10.7.2 from Snow Leopard server with no problems.
I purchased to server upgrade: it tried to install immediately, warned me that I did not have Lion, told me I had already purchased Lion (which I had installed on a macbook previously).
Then nothing appeared to happen. While I was looking for advice on sites like this, after about 20 minutes the 'Do you want to install Mac OS X" screen popped up.
Lion must have been downloading in the background!
On selecting 'Continue', it started 'downloading additional components' with a forecast of 3 hours 52 minutes. This reduced a minute at a time for 3 minutes, then forecast 32 minutes.
After 29 minutes total (from the start) it rebooted to server, configured services, upgraded OD to 10.7.2, upgraded users, upgraded services
That took 6 minutes. (35 minutes from the start) it rebooted again, prompted to configure iCloud.

No settings were lost. VPNs, share points and shared screens were preserved. (But I had to restart screen sharing on a client that was active during the reboots, not a big deal)