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MacRumors
Jun 7, 2011, 10:49 AM
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One of the major rumors for iOS 5 that failed to materialize at Apple's WWDC keynote yesterday was new voice features (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/06/apple-negotiating-deal-with-nuance-for-speech-recognition-in-ios-5/) from Nuance and Siri. The rumors had pegged iOS 5 as receiving significant integration of voice recognition capabilities, potentially handing off much of the processing for that functionality to its new North Carolina data center (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/09/apples-new-data-center-focus-of-nuance-voice-recognition-partnership/).

Apple's keynote was of course devoid of any talk of voice recognition features in iOS 5 or any other Nuance-related announcements, leading to questions about where things stand with the rumor. TechCrunch now revisits (http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/06/apple-nuance-wwdc-keynote/) its earlier claims, noting that such a deal may still be in the works for iOS 5 but that it simply wasn't ready to go in time for WWDC.We're still looking into this, but here's the latest we're hearing. At least three of our original sources on this were "very surprised" not to hear anything during the keynote today. One noted that leading up to the last minute, they were sure new, elaborate voice features in iOS 5 were going to be announced on stage. It didn't happen. Apple has been known to pull things at the last second. But this may go deeper.The report goes on to speculate about whether public disclosure of the Nuance-Apple negotiations may have derailed things somewhat, given the reputations of Apple and Nuance both as hard negotiators.

In suggesting that the Nuance integration may still be in the works, the report also points to a few circumstantial pieces of evidence, including the presence of Nuance's chief mobile platform architect at the WWDC keynote and a brief on-stage demo from Apple's Roger Rosner, who is believed to be heading up the Nuance/Siri work at Apple and who may have had a last-minute change in topic after the Nuance integration was deemed not ready for public consumption.

Article Link: Apple Still Planning to Include Nuance/Siri Voice Features in iOS 5? (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/07/apple-still-planning-to-include-nuancesiri-voice-features-in-ios-5/)



Mr. Gates
Jun 7, 2011, 10:52 AM
That was to be the "one more thing"

RafaelT
Jun 7, 2011, 10:55 AM
I hope this is correct and that they get things back on track, this would really be something that would make iOS 5 a lot more special then it seems to be.


Don't get me wrong, it seems like a good update but it does not have that wow factor.

GorgonPhone
Jun 7, 2011, 10:58 AM
right yeh so in short its crappy and does not work well just like the voice crap that is in IOS now.

SteveSabol
Jun 7, 2011, 10:59 AM
I suspect it will require either an A5 chip or an iPhone 4S/5.

Blackforge
Jun 7, 2011, 11:00 AM
I bet it is a "feature" of the next iPhone and won't be passed down to previous gen devices. Just like Voice Control wasn't added to the 3G and 2G.

lanspawlo
Jun 7, 2011, 11:01 AM
I noticed in one of the slides yesterday with the other features of iOS 5 was "Option to speak text selection". Maybe this is proof Apple is improving its speech-to-text capabilities?

swarmster
Jun 7, 2011, 11:02 AM
I suspect it will require either an A5 chip or an iPhone 4S/5.

Yeah, that seemed like the easy read to me. If they do the processing on-phone (delay caused by remote processing would be huge?), they maybe decided they needed the dual cores.

...and with the OS not actually out until when the iPhone 5 is expected, you know there are more features in there targeted for the new hardware.

ivladster
Jun 7, 2011, 11:02 AM
I am sure the next iPhone will have features that will be only available on the next new iPhone.

Bilbo63
Jun 7, 2011, 11:04 AM
I was really hoping for this as well. Bummer.

acslater017
Jun 7, 2011, 11:06 AM
I hope this is correct and that they get things back on track, this would really be something that would make iOS 5 a lot more special then it seems to be.


Don't get me wrong, it seems like a good update but it does not have that wow factor.

As someone who uses their iPhone a lot while on the road, I'd really appreciate an improved voice function. If they pulled it off in a unique way yesterday, I think that would've been the home run/"one more thing"/special something that everyone was looking for.

Hopefully it will be completed by Fall! Siri had a looot of potential. It would be a shame for it to only be added as part of a developer preview, without any fanfare, but as longs as it ends up in the final product :)

BLACKFRIDAY
Jun 7, 2011, 11:07 AM
I bet it is a "feature" of the next iPhone and won't be passed down to previous gen devices. Just like Voice Control wasn't added to the 3G and 2G.

If there's new hardware involved, true. But I really doubt this would happen.

iOS 5 will be added to 3GS without an asterisk this time. i.e. whatever's in store for iPhone 5, software-based will be added to iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4.

Cappy
Jun 7, 2011, 11:11 AM
I think the best we can guess is simply that we know Apple will have a new iphone out later this year and they will want some special features to hype it up. My guess is it will be this voice integration as the better cpu processing will help tremendously with this.

I have my doubts that this was some last minute breakdown in negotiations.

sigamy
Jun 7, 2011, 11:11 AM
Wouldn't you think that you would need the business end (the deal) set up before you can code the technical elements of this?

As I've said before, I'm more interested in the "intelligence" part of the Siri engine than the voice stuff. I really thought iOS 5 was going to bring some Newton Assist type features to the iPhone.

pmz
Jun 7, 2011, 11:14 AM
I'm sure every rumor source is "shocked" when the rumors they invented don't turn out to be true.


The rumor I started about iOS 5 bringing "enhancements to notifications" turned out to be true.

kiljoy616
Jun 7, 2011, 11:20 AM
Yeah, that seemed like the easy read to me. If they do the processing on-phone (delay caused by remote processing would be huge?), they maybe decided they needed the dual cores.

...and with the OS not actually out until when the iPhone 5 is expected, you know there are more features in there targeted for the new hardware.

Seen the different between ipad 2 and iphone 4. We all need dualcore ;) So it would make some sense that Apple does not want to do the whole upgrade that happen to iPhone 3G and made it slow as syrup.

Except for calling someone I have never used the voice controls for anything else and that works most of the time but some names it just can't figure out.

tripjammer
Jun 7, 2011, 11:20 AM
We will get it in September...

-LikesMac-
Jun 7, 2011, 11:28 AM
Then it is probably an iPhone 5 exclusive feature (They might also show iPad 2 support, unless it needs more RAM or something).

Notice, "over 200 new features", with only some shown? Voice features was probably one of the things NOT shown, and only for iP5.

Of course when the new phone comes out it activates some previously unshown features in the OS.

Did anyone notice there was no widgets?

Pumpkin King
Jun 7, 2011, 11:36 AM
Did anyone notice there was no widgets?

There are weather and stocks widgets in the notifications center. I like that implementation... Hoping that gets opened up to developers too.

NebulaClash
Jun 7, 2011, 11:41 AM
Notice, "over 200 new features", with only some shown? Voice features was probably one of the things NOT shown, and only for iP5.

Of course when the new phone comes out it activates some previously unshown features in the OS.



Yeah, this seems like the obvious explanation to me too. People love to panic over nothing.

lsvtecjohn3
Jun 7, 2011, 11:45 AM
Then it is probably an iPhone 5 exclusive feature (They might also show iPad 2 support, unless it needs more RAM or something).

Notice, "over 200 new features", with only some shown? Voice features was probably one of the things NOT shown, and only for iP5.



I agree that it's only going to be on the iPhone 5. Apple always puts an extra feature on the newer phone.

Munnichs
Jun 7, 2011, 11:48 AM
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I hope the weather widget can be chosen not to be the standard wether app. Coz its horrible in my country...

iSee
Jun 7, 2011, 11:50 AM
Maybe TechCrunch just blew it... Guy's when you're wrong you're wrong... just let it go. You sound like that Doomsday guy...

BornAgainMac
Jun 7, 2011, 11:51 AM
Probably a iOS 6 feature along with new maps and navigation system. It makes sense to spread out the features like they do with phones and OS upgrades. It is classic Apple.

pmz
Jun 7, 2011, 11:53 AM
Probably a iOS 6 feature along with new maps and navigation system. It makes sense to spread out the features like they do with phones and OS upgrades. It is classic Apple.

It's classic successful business.

Westacular
Jun 7, 2011, 11:54 AM
Well, VoiceOver (the text-to-speech / screen reading accessibility system; not to be confused with Voice Control, the voice recognition system) *was* mentioned among the new features, in their slide showing all the things they didn't have time to discuss:

http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201106/phpwlbhu1IMG_0566.jpg


Notice the lower left: "VoiceOver action support". No clue what that means, but note that this is listed separately but on the same slide as the "Option to speak text selection" -- so it's not the same, though they are probably related to one another.

I'd love it if I could have my phone read an email to me on occasion (eg when walking with headphones on) without having to turn on the full VoiceOver accessibility stuff... here's hoping this might enable that.

AriX
Jun 7, 2011, 12:02 PM
Maybe it's just not done yet and they wanted to avoid a "Dear Aunt, letís set so double the killer delete select all."

Westacular
Jun 7, 2011, 12:03 PM
I hope the weather widget can be chosen not to be the standard wether app. Coz its horrible in my country...

What's that old joke about the Netherlands... "If you don't like the weather, wait an hour"? ;)

I seriously doubt you'll be able to add a different widget. The screenshots showed the little Yahoo! logo in the corner, so the data is almost certainly still coming from The Weather Channel / weather.com.

That said, there was mention of other long-overdue improvements to the weather app -- namely, hourly forecasts, and showing weather for your current location (instead of forcing you to lookup and add it manually, finally!) -- so who knows, there might be other possibilities in store.

canyonblue737
Jun 7, 2011, 12:11 PM
They could be holding it for iPhone 4S/5 launching in September as one of the incentives to upgrade from an iPhone 4. If past practice holds there will always be a few new iOS features that are announced and dedicated solely to the new hardware when they reveal it.

macjonny1
Jun 7, 2011, 12:16 PM
Hope they still integrate it. I have a bunch of Nuance stock.

registerednerd
Jun 7, 2011, 12:50 PM
Erm.... VoiceOver is Apple's Text-to-speech engine, not Speech-to-text....

citi
Jun 7, 2011, 12:51 PM
I suspect it will require either an A5 chip or an iPhone 4S/5.

That's what they will say, but let's be real here, the droid has had it on it's phone for 2 years, and that was a 600mhz single core chip. It can be done with the current hardware, but they need something to sell the iPhone 4GS

Westacular
Jun 7, 2011, 01:03 PM
All of Android's voice recognition depends on Google servers for the heavy lifting; the phones are not able to do it themselves. The phone does a bunch of compression / feature-extraction on the audio, uploads the result of that, and Google sends back what it thinks was actually said.

Centient
Jun 7, 2011, 01:08 PM
All of Android's voice recognition depends on Google servers for the heavy lifting; the phones are not able to do it themselves. The phone does a bunch of compression / feature-extraction on the audio, uploads the result of that, and Google sends back what it thinks was actually said.

Isn't that what Apple is looking to do? Let their servers handle the bulk of the processing?

err404
Jun 7, 2011, 01:13 PM
They were very clear that the presentation was only discussing a subset of what the new OS offers. I suspect that the features discussed at WWDC are simply a selection of highlights that will be be supported by the existing line of devices. Keep in mind that the iPhone5 is likely going to be released in sync with iOS5 and they need to save some meaty demonstrations of iOS for that announcement.

CylonGlitch
Jun 7, 2011, 01:14 PM
Erm.... VoiceOver is Apple's Text-to-speech engine, not Speech-to-text....

That is correct and it has been in the OS for a long time, I don't know why more applications don't take advantage of it; especially the Messages application. Seriously, it would be simple to implement a "Speak Messages" button.

WestonHarvey1
Jun 7, 2011, 01:23 PM
Probably a iOS 6 feature along with new maps and navigation system. It makes sense to spread out the features like they do with phones and OS upgrades. It is classic Apple.

It also takes a lot of time and money to develop things like this. They may just be saying "no" to this for now so they can perfect what they're giving us now.

drewisanapple
Jun 7, 2011, 01:32 PM
The update photo of apple's side, with the new iPad Music App, and the photos on their site with them, I have to say, it doesn't look improved.

chromos
Jun 7, 2011, 01:42 PM
That is correct and it has been in the OS for a long time, I don't know why more applications don't take advantage of it; especially the Messages application. Seriously, it would be simple to implement a "Speak Messages" button.

Actually, VoiceOver is Apple's screen reader technology for vision impaired persons. http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/

The text-to-speech engine is of course accessed by VoiceOver, but it's really so much more.

silentnite
Jun 7, 2011, 02:17 PM
As good as it may be, I try not to build myself up on these things until they come to light. This way it doesn't hurt as bad. Just hoping we get to see it soon.

acslater017
Jun 7, 2011, 02:23 PM
I think the best we can guess is simply that we know Apple will have a new iphone out later this year and they will want some special features to hype it up. My guess is it will be this voice integration as the better cpu processing will help tremendously with this.

I have my doubts that this was some last minute breakdown in negotiations.

I suspect it was a combination of unreadiness and what you said. The iOS presentation was neat, but didn't give me the feeling that they were pushing the industry ahead - more like patching up its areas of weakness (a valid thing to do) and adding neat polish. Voice control would've been that "wow" moment.

But you're right. Perhaps if the 5th-generation iPhone doesn't have a huge hardware feature or physical redesign, it will rely on new software features to stand out. Maybe a combined September event will release new iPods/Macs, release iOS 5, "iPhone 4.5", and new Voice Control features in iOS 5. Kinda like how the App Store was ready to go way before Lion.

Mike Oxard
Jun 7, 2011, 02:49 PM
I'd just like to be able to Voice Activate the Voice Memo function. I can't understand why it wasn't included from the start.

Funkymonk
Jun 7, 2011, 03:12 PM
another catch up feature

-LikesMac-
Jun 7, 2011, 04:30 PM
another catch up feature

No comment on "catch up", but even if other MobileOSes already have it, how often is this feature used?

If Apple brought out Voice features I wonder how many people would use it? (more people? or ignored?)

This is one excellent representation of a use. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVRRMsmZ_Kg

cfountain72
Jun 7, 2011, 04:40 PM
I'm really looking forward to this one. Something like where you Select some text, you are given the option to 'Cut'/'Copy', and you also have the option of 'Speak' to have the text read aloud. This would let you listen to news articles, blog entries, magazine pieces, etc., while doing something else (e.g. commuting to/from work). Currently I achieve this by selecting a story/passage/article, copying the whole thing and pasting it to Speak It! It's a serviceable option, but not a good idea while driving.

Peace be with you.

DamoTheBrave
Jun 7, 2011, 06:19 PM
I'm sure every rumor source is "shocked" when the rumors they invented don't turn out to be true.


The rumor I started about iOS 5 bringing "enhancements to notifications" turned out to be true.

I also predicted "enhancements to the OS" and am pleased to see some accuracy in my words!

eNcrypTioN
Jun 7, 2011, 07:12 PM
They are probably still working out all the kinks. I'd rather them not include this in iOS5 instead of including it and not having it work properly.

caspersoong
Jun 8, 2011, 02:17 AM
An addition to iMessage hopefully.