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MacRumors
Jun 9, 2011, 05:57 PM
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TiPb has posted (http://www.tipb.com/2011/06/09/ios-5-imessages-blackberry-bbm-fight/) a side-by-side comparison video showing the differences between Blackberry's BBM and Apple's new iMessage. BBM is Blackberry's proprietary messaging system which has been seen as the inspiration for Apple's own implementation. BBM offers more user management features with groups, while iMessage offers relatively seamless SMS integration.

Article Link: iOS 5 iMessage vs Blackberry BBM Video (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/09/ios-5-imessage-vs-blackberry-bbm-video/)



yycguy
Jun 9, 2011, 06:19 PM
Sweet!!

thinkindie
Jun 9, 2011, 06:21 PM
it should be noted that while the BB is connected through the 3G network (I can't see any wifi indicator or maybe it's just me not familiar with BB interface), the iPhone is connected through a wifi connection. Just for the sake of objectivity.

Plus I'd like to say that we can't compare two messaging system where one is in beta and few messages sent (iMessage) and the other one that is used by many more users.

Rodimus Prime
Jun 9, 2011, 06:22 PM
I love how he just said "We rip it off, we stole it. " Rena owned up to it. Funny part is Kevin is his boss now.

Sparced
Jun 9, 2011, 06:22 PM
The iPhones photos are going to be bigger in file size due to the higher res camera.

Rodimus Prime
Jun 9, 2011, 06:28 PM
The iPhones photos are going to be bigger in file size due to the higher res camera.

umm you might want to check you specs. I believe the 9780 has a 5 meg camra just like the iPhone.

BLACKFRIDAY
Jun 9, 2011, 06:53 PM
I love how he just said "We rip it off, we stole it. " Rena owned up to it. Funny part is Kevin is his boss now.

To me they both sounded stupid.

BBM is no innovation or something very different. AIM and platform-specific and cross-platform messaging clients have been there since ages.

These being so mature sound like kids when talk about these stupid copy/paste things.

aristotle
Jun 9, 2011, 08:00 PM
BBM is just a copy of cross platform IMs like ICQ, AIM, MSN and Yahoo Messenger.

The only thing unique about BBM is that is is proprietary to Blackberry.

Rodimus Prime
Jun 9, 2011, 09:01 PM
BBM is just a copy of cross platform IMs like ICQ, AIM, MSN and Yahoo Messenger.

The only thing unique about BBM is that is is proprietary to Blackberry.

minus the fact that BBM has been around since before those ever even hit phones.

jonnysods
Jun 9, 2011, 09:21 PM
I really like that they added this feature. No more "I didn't read your text" responses. Suckas!

deannnnn
Jun 9, 2011, 11:54 PM
iPhone users and BlackBerry users getting along. I like it :)

haiggy
Jun 10, 2011, 01:01 AM
I really like that they added this feature. No more "I didn't read your text" responses. Suckas!

There's an option to disable read receipts for your messages so it's possible people can't see whether or not you've read it lol

I like iMessage because I need the person's phone number.. I don't need a PIN. I don't need anything from them but 1 thing.. the rest is seamless and is automated. Win for Apple with that.

rmwebs
Jun 10, 2011, 02:48 AM
BBM is just a copy of cross platform IMs like ICQ, AIM, MSN and Yahoo Messenger.

The only thing unique about BBM is that is is proprietary to Blackberry.

The exact same applies to iMessage....stop being a silly little fanboi and grow up.

Resist
Jun 10, 2011, 03:51 AM
So does this mean we can totally cancel AT&T's SMS service from our iPhone's now?

NightFox
Jun 10, 2011, 03:58 AM
So does this mean we can totally cancel AT&T's SMS service from our iPhone's now?

If you're only ever going to send messages to people using iOS5 devices, yes.

SimonTheSoundMa
Jun 10, 2011, 07:38 AM
What they didn't cover is the fact if you send to a group of people, one recipient may be using an iOS device with iMessenger, and the other may have another phone and they will receive the message as a SMS/MMS.

BBM will only send to another Blackberry phone through BBM. SMS is another app.

CrzyCanuck72
Jun 10, 2011, 08:58 AM
What they didn't cover is the fact if you send to a group of people, one recipient may be using an iOS device with iMessenger, and the other may have another phone and they will receive the message as a SMS/MMS.

BBM will only send to another Blackberry phone through BBM. SMS is another app.
This is what increases the 'cult' aspect of BBM, the fact that you have to have a BB to get the benefits of the system. Because iMessage is integrated into the SMS app, I don't think it will ever reach the same level of user-obsession as BBM - it will just be another neat feature of iOS, not something that actually draws users to that device.


Can iMessage create chatrooms like BBM? Where multiple contacts are added to a chat, and any messages sent by any person are received by all people in that chatroom? That is a massive feature of BBM (distinct from groups because the chatroom participants have to be on your contact list, whereas in BBM groups they don't have to be).

rockinrocker
Jun 10, 2011, 11:06 AM
What they didn't cover is the fact if you send to a group of people, one recipient may be using an iOS device with iMessenger, and the other may have another phone and they will receive the message as a SMS/MMS.

BBM will only send to another Blackberry phone through BBM. SMS is another app.

I was wondering about that myself. Glad it works that way.

rockinrocker
Jun 10, 2011, 11:07 AM
Can iMessage create chatrooms like BBM? Where multiple contacts are added to a chat, and any messages sent by any person are received by all people in that chatroom? That is a massive feature of BBM (distinct from groups because the chatroom participants have to be on your contact list, whereas in BBM groups they don't have to be).

If it doesn't now, maybe it will in the future. That'd be a sweet feature.

aristotle
Jun 10, 2011, 11:42 AM
The exact same applies to iMessage....stop being a silly little fanboi and grow up.
Do you have anything constructive to say or are you just here to insult people?

The fact remains that BBM was not the first instant messenger regardless of how it started out and we have had MSN, AIM and Yahoo Messenger apps on iPhones for ages now.

I'm not going around insulting people for the platform they use. What does not make you? :rolleyes: Causal users of a platform do not generally insult others for what they use.

But thanks for stating the obvious that iMessage is also currently exclusive to iOS. Apple could easily expand it to include macs like they have done with Facetime.

Peteman100
Jun 10, 2011, 11:48 AM
The Blackberry platform is now even more irrelevant

Jeremy1026
Jun 10, 2011, 08:13 PM
Can iMessage create chatrooms like BBM? Where multiple contacts are added to a chat, and any messages sent by any person are received by all people in that chatroom? That is a massive feature of BBM (distinct from groups because the chatroom participants have to be on your contact list, whereas in BBM groups they don't have to be).

Kind of, it works just like it does when you send a multi-recipient SMS.

Saladinos
Jun 10, 2011, 09:06 PM
iMessage is built in to the messages app, and automatically checks if your recipient is signed up (most iPhone users would be, as soon as they sign in to the AppStore). If they are, it sends the message over the data connection; if not is sends an SMS/MMS.

For users, it's completely transparent. You only see iMessage as a pointer to distinguish against an SMS. It's basically free SMSes to iOS devices, now including the iPad and iPod touch (who knows? AppleTV?).

That's all I see it as - free messages. That's how it's being advertised in the UI.

Supa_Fly
Jun 10, 2011, 10:05 PM
To me they both sounded stupid.

BBM is no innovation or something very different. AIM and platform-specific and cross-platform messaging clients have been there since ages.

These being so mature sound like kids when talk about these stupid copy/paste things.

^ Someone who has NO IDEA what their talking about. The principle is the same but its MUCH better.


BBM is just a copy of cross platform IMs like ICQ, AIM, MSN and Yahoo Messenger.

The only thing unique about BBM is that is is proprietary to Blackberry.

^ yet again someone whom doesn't KNOW what their talking about.

BBM:
IM - instant messaging, plain & simple
IM - Real-Time READ/DELIVERED receipts which is AUTOMATIC not configured.
IM - Send Pics/Videos/VoiceNotes ..
Scaleable - this has been proven in over 25 million - to - 37 million users!
Check on Tube with Kevin testing how many ppl can be added to BBM ... it went crazy and over thousand users before getting a hiccup.

Groups! Join without a contact list, share Calendar with Group members, pictures, voice notes, videos - which are SEPARATE from your OWN!

This works on GPRS, EDGE, 3G, and WLAN!

ALERTS are configurable for importance ... MANY corporations rely on BBM and BBMGroups:
BNSF
IBM
BMO
TD
CIBC
RoyalBank
american deaf association (haven't worked here)

^ I know because I've worked at them all and have helped documentation for ALL along with real world use.

I like where Apple is going with this; but it needs to grow in power.

You guys are worse than analysts, knock features of a platform without fully understanding or knowing its true power just cause the analysts, investors, and fanboy's follow along like ... well ... Lemmings!

Supa_Fly
Jun 10, 2011, 10:12 PM
There's an option to disable read receipts for your messages so it's possible people can't see whether or not you've read it lol

I like iMessage because I need the person's phone number.. I don't need a PIN. I don't need anything from them but 1 thing.. the rest is seamless and is automated. Win for Apple with that.

LOSS for Apple actually.

BBM rely's on PIN for a reason. You either archive your PIN on a MicroSD or to their "cloud" called the NOC. Circumstances occur where your device changes or your provider is being a greedy bitch or you moved. This shouldn't affect friendships or communications. When you switch providers in a hurry your number will NOT transfer until after 24hrs minimum (you have temporary). However if you move to another area code or province/state/country ... your number is PERMANENTLY changed. If said friend forgot YOUR number ... iMessage no longer works. BBM prompts you based on your email address (not isolated to the free provider based one) and BOOM your contacts if saved to the NOC (load from MicroSD alternative) ... and ALL your friends are updated and get your new PIN automatically!!

^ THIS is the reason RIM grew so quickly in the consumer market - before adding camera's (long overdue after the 7100 shipped on T-Mobile USA), MicroSD cards, NA 3G, and better hardware designs (8800 onward; older devices looked HARRIBLE). In country's that have cultures that traditionally thrive on communication vs 'possessions' this is king.

Research kids before you knock stuff you don't fully know. Apple can learn alot from this.

iMessage will advance over time and I look forward to it on my iPhone 4/5.

Supa_Fly
Jun 10, 2011, 10:14 PM
What they didn't cover is the fact if you send to a group of people, one recipient may be using an iOS device with iMessenger, and the other may have another phone and they will receive the message as a SMS/MMS.

BBM will only send to another Blackberry phone through BBM. SMS is another app.

You can FORWARD an entire BBM converstation (rename it too) to SMS, or EMAIL, or a direct PIN message (similar to MMS+email but direct to a device & outside of the BBM app).

Supa_Fly
Jun 10, 2011, 10:22 PM
The Blackberry platform is now even more irrelevant

Really?! Ask a BNSF employee on a GANG or their GANG supervisor!! See what happens when a crew try's to rob a BNSF train car ... see how far you get - after avoiding being shot! Remember BBM is not only real-time but is coded securely and has yet NEVER BEEN HACKED and accessible by Police court order if the situation is high enough (this situation warrants that).

iMessage relevance:
Share a cloud based calendar to chat members, content & alerts within!
Keep shared pictures/videos/voice memos from iOS users' content (maybe a new camera roll called "iMessage Book" or something much better named).
Allow to send location via iMessage (this maybe already capable) - and even a route to where YOU are that is updated when the recipient receives your map location can automatically pin-point where THEY are and create a map to you: walk/transit (bus/streetcar/subway)/car.

^ THAT is power and relevance - corporations would LEAP without hesitation. Right now I've deployed 4 iPads (2 gen 1, and 2 gen 2) and users are ecstatic but figuring out apps that work for the mining company is key. The PlayBook didn't even last 4 hours in our VP if IT's hands ... iPad 2 is rocking a full week strong!!! :apple:

kevingaffney
Jun 11, 2011, 01:00 AM
I wouldn't have a blackberry agai if I got one for nothing. Fiddly keyboards. Quite simply, it looks dated

SimonTheSoundMa
Jun 11, 2011, 04:55 AM
Does iOS 5 also include sent and read receipts for SMS?

iPhone is the first phone that I have had (had 7 phones over 10 years previous to my iPhone 3G) that doesn't do this.

I do get a popup saying the message has sent to my carrier and how much credit I have left (I pay 10 a month prepay), but not to the person I sent it to, and certainly not when they have read it.

Evangelion
Jun 11, 2011, 05:21 AM
Really?!

Really. Only thing that is helping RIM is inertia. Their products are not competitive, and they are basically about to follow Nokia in their corporate fortunes. But hey, maybe RIM could add few more CEOs to their roster, that just might turn the company around!

gpat
Jun 11, 2011, 06:53 AM
Now only seamless VOIP calling to iOS device is missing... :cool::cool:

caspersoong
Jun 11, 2011, 09:45 AM
Well just as SJ loves to quote Picasso.

diamond.g
Jun 11, 2011, 11:51 AM
Does iOS 5 also include sent and read receipts for SMS?

iPhone is the first phone that I have had (had 7 phones over 10 years previous to my iPhone 3G) that doesn't do this.

I do get a popup saying the message has sent to my carrier and how much credit I have left (I pay 10 a month prepay), but not to the person I sent it to, and certainly not when they have read it.

no.

McGiord
Jun 11, 2011, 12:39 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

As MobileMe brings the free cloud all your contacts and calendars and emails are easily transferred or copied to any iOS device, so the advantage of the PIN is no longer an advantage/difference.
It was not free before but now it is.
SMS are like phone calls? These instant messages are something else? Nothing different from the email concept, except the transmission method?speed of delivery? and the notification interface.

McGiord
Jun 11, 2011, 12:39 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

You have FaceTime, and can use Viber or Skype.

RossMc
Jun 11, 2011, 12:42 PM
I wish iMessage had a pin like BBM though as that would be better to give out than your phone number etc.

diamond.g
Jun 11, 2011, 12:46 PM
I wish iMessage had a pin like BBM though as that would be better to give out than your phone number etc.

you can use your email address.

elppa
Jun 11, 2011, 03:09 PM
Kevin for Crackberry.com is legend and it is a good site and a good community.

RIM has some very loyal supporters, but they need to do better for them.

shandyman
Jun 12, 2011, 04:45 PM
There's an option to disable read receipts for your messages so it's possible people can't see whether or not you've read it lol

I like iMessage because I need the person's phone number.. I don't need a PIN. I don't need anything from them but 1 thing.. the rest is seamless and is automated. Win for Apple with that.

read receipts are off by default, you have to choose to turn them on.

BBM rely's on PIN for a reason. You either archive your PIN on a MicroSD or to their "cloud" called the NOC. Circumstances occur where your device changes or your provider is being a greedy bitch or you moved. This shouldn't affect friendships or communications. When you switch providers in a hurry your number will NOT transfer until after 24hrs minimum (you have temporary). However if you move to another area code or province/state/country ... your number is PERMANENTLY changed. If said friend forgot YOUR number ... iMessage no longer works. BBM prompts you based on your email address (not isolated to the free provider based one) and BOOM your contacts if saved to the NOC (load from MicroSD alternative) ... and ALL your friends are updated and get your new PIN automatically!!

you should really research before you post. iMessage is based on your apple ID and your mobile number, so even if you change numbers, it can use your apple ID instead, so your scenario is made moot.

blueturf
Jun 13, 2011, 07:43 AM
We have 2 iPhones and 2 iPod Touches that use the same Apple ID. How will this work?

Core5i
Jun 13, 2011, 07:51 AM
The BlackBerry UI (http://www.stuffunwired.com/2011/06/imessage-vs-blackberry-messenger.html) hurts my eyes. Small screen and fairly complicated.
BB'm curious if people move on to the iPhone.

Now wait till iMessage cross platform!

reebzor
Jun 13, 2011, 08:08 AM
It seems like the point of this thread is for all the iPhone users, that are jealous of the Blackberry friends, to gloat now that they have a similar feature.

As of right now, I'll stick with BBM over imessage anyday. In the future, I assume iMessage will be much better but that is only because RIM has been lacking in the "innovation" category for about a decade.

Just thought I should note that I carry both an iPhone and a Blackberry everyday.

glossywhite
Jun 13, 2011, 10:06 AM
Here's the differentiator: iPad, iPod touch *and* iPhone will be able to use iMessage. Also, you pay X amount extra per month for the BB data service, whereas iMessage will not require some ridiculous upsell just for their service.

You don't need a cellphone to use iMessage, either.

Nice one, Apple! :)

FSMBP
Jun 13, 2011, 11:29 AM
We have 2 iPhones and 2 iPod Touches that use the same Apple ID. How will this work?

You can use different email addresses to associate with your iPod touch/iPhones. You can all have the same iTunes Store Apple ID and different iMessage ones (ex. Your personal GMail for iMessage).

glossywhite
Jun 13, 2011, 03:41 PM
iOS 5 just gave me a big reason to buy an iPod touch 4G; I can text/MMS my two best friends, who have iPhone 4, without ANY charges... EVER.

Thanks Steve, you're remarkable.

badmac78
Jun 22, 2011, 04:43 PM
^ Someone who has NO IDEA what their talking about. The principle is the same but its MUCH better.




^ yet again someone whom doesn't KNOW what their talking about.

BBM:
IM - instant messaging, plain & simple
IM - Real-Time READ/DELIVERED receipts which is AUTOMATIC not configured.
IM - Send Pics/Videos/VoiceNotes ..
Scaleable - this has been proven in over 25 million - to - 37 million users!
Check on Tube with Kevin testing how many ppl can be added to BBM ... it went crazy and over thousand users before getting a hiccup.

Groups! Join without a contact list, share Calendar with Group members, pictures, voice notes, videos - which are SEPARATE from your OWN!

This works on GPRS, EDGE, 3G, and WLAN!

ALERTS are configurable for importance ... MANY corporations rely on BBM and BBMGroups:
BNSF
IBM
BMO
TD
CIBC
RoyalBank
american deaf association (haven't worked here)

^ I know because I've worked at them all and have helped documentation for ALL along with real world use.

I like where Apple is going with this; but it needs to grow in power.

You guys are worse than analysts, knock features of a platform without fully understanding or knowing its true power just cause the analysts, investors, and fanboy's follow along like ... well ... Lemmings!

http://www.slideshare.net/chrissparshott/apple-iphone-and-ipad-at-ibm

OneForGadgets
Jun 24, 2011, 08:03 AM
Seems the topic has been a good debate.

Personally, as someone who has used both devices and platforms for a little while, I must admit BBM is one of the most appealing features in the communication world than anything else. Apple has obviously seen the possibility with what this type of service can offer and decided to dip their foot in the water.

Blackberry definitely did it right- group chats, group rooms, etc., but like previously mentioned it seems their "innovation" factor has been at a stand still. With Apple trying to get involved, I could see iMessage really move ahead.

Either way, the competition is better for us consumers in the end and I am happy about that.

urbanj
Jun 24, 2011, 12:38 PM
I used to be a diehard berry user. Until I got fed up of all the BS of a crappy device. Most of my friends used berries too and BBM was the only thing keeping them. I personally got over it fast and slowly but surely people I know are switching to iPhones.

You can be a fanatic all you want but the world is realizing they are stagnant. Sales are down and how is RIM doing again?

I can't wait for iMessage because you know if Apple's going to do something they will do it right most of the time

Supa_Fly
Jun 25, 2011, 06:15 PM
Really. Only thing that is helping RIM is inertia. Their products are not competitive, and they are basically about to follow Nokia in their corporate fortunes. But hey, maybe RIM could add few more CEOs to their roster, that just might turn the company around!

Clueless. You have no understanding of the wealth Nokia has or their patents or relavance. Nokia is making huge internal moves and are accelerating their change, the complete opposite of RIM.

inertia can continually be applied to an already moving force -don't forget that. RIM has a strong staple and for the past 5yrs ppl like you have stated that they'll go under - just like Nokia for the past 1/2yrs. Just cause you like nothing about either company doesn't mean that their financing or cash reverses or development has stopped.

Supa_Fly
Jun 25, 2011, 06:17 PM
read receipts are off by default, you have to choose to turn them on.



you should really research before you post. iMessage is based on your apple ID and your mobile number, so even if you change numbers, it can use your apple ID instead, so your scenario is made moot.

when you can show me the proof of that WILL work in my situation then it still stands. Apple hasn't shown or written anything to that effect, yet.

Supa_Fly
Jun 25, 2011, 06:19 PM
Here's the differentiator: iPad, iPod touch *and* iPhone will be able to use iMessage. Also, you pay X amount extra per month for the BB data service, whereas iMessage will not require some ridiculous upsell just for their service.

You don't need a cellphone to use iMessage, either.

Nice one, Apple! :)

You ALSO pay X amount of extra per month for Data service of your provider = iPhone or iPod Touch/iPad (WLAN at home you're paying for internet, just like the BlackBerry, while remotely for provider data you're paying for the data service - on blackberry its NOT an add-on its part of your data package).

where did you come up with that?

Supa_Fly
Jun 25, 2011, 06:37 PM
http://www.slideshare.net/chrissparshott/apple-iphone-and-ipad-at-ibm

EXCELLENT!!! I hadn't known that and thus I stand corrected. Excellent find. Now how many have they actually deployed? Still looks like a case study though.

I am aware that Lotus Notes has been supported on Mac OS X since v7.1, quite a few years, and also about iNotes (still mostly a web-app). They do support MacBooks now since using a dual boot or VM where an image is virtualized on a Mac.

Good start so we'll see where this goes.

McGiord
Jun 25, 2011, 06:42 PM
Nokia used to be nice in the 90s.
BlackBerry nah...

Like Ford cars were in the early days... Ford is still around making some cars and trucks...they changed but they are still Ford without Henry Ford.

As Apple is what it is because it is Apple with his mastermind behind them.

WhatsApp for nowadays and maybe iMenssenger when it comes out.

cheko
Jun 28, 2011, 04:50 PM
imessege is far bette for sure