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Jun 10, 2011, 01:45 PM
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During the Q&A session following Steve Jobs' pitch for a stunning new Apple campus (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/08/steve-jobs-pitches-cupertino-on-new-apple-campus/) to the Cupertino City Council, Councilwoman Kris Wong asked Jobs if the city of Cupertino would get "free Wi-Fi or something like that" in exchange for green-lighting the building project.

Jobs felt that free municipal Wi-Fi was something the city was better equipped to provide and that Apple paid plenty in property tax and if Apple "can get out of paying taxes, we would be glad to provide free Wi-Fi." The exchange drew a laugh from the audience, but an indignant Twitteronia was not (https://twitter.com/#!/matt_garber/statuses/78797556662018048) pleased (https://twitter.com/#!/mattejames/statuses/78635930184978432).
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It's kind of peculiar that the request -- which was obviously not a sticking point for the Council -- drew such fire from observers. Local governments are perennially broke and routinely extort capital improvements from businesses seeking to do business in their community. "If you build that big office park, you need to buy us new fire truck to cover the area adequately." It happens all the time, just most City Council meetings don't get nearly one million views (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M) on YouTube.

In addressing the controversy, Business Insider contributor Jay Bhatti took the opportunity to engage in some actual journalism and emailed the councilwoman to get the background on her question (http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-spaceship-cupertino-councilwoman-2011-6). An excerpt:
My question about how residents can benefit from the new campus was primarily meant to be a softball question for Steve to talk more about Apple's long-term relationship with Cupertino and its residents. I was hoping he would talk not only about the fact that they are the city's largest tax payer, but also that Apple reciprocally enjoys calling Cupertino its home, as our city attracts phenomenally talented individuals and families with our vibrant and diverse community, safe neighborhoods, top-notch education districts, and extremely supportive business environment (as evidenced by numerous other tech companies that call Cupertino their home). Believe me, I know how much our residents benefit from having a $300B company in their backyard, but I was hoping to draw out more dialogue on Cupertino and Apple's mutually beneficial relationship.

Steve, in his answer, joked about moving up to Mountain View - Google's hometown where they provide the residents there with free wifi. For some background context, I've joked with Steve in previous conversations (unrelated to Apple's new campus) about Apple doing the same for Cupertino. So, my follow-up was admittedly a flat attempt at going along with the same joke, and Steve replied the same way he did previously to me, which was he believes the city should provide those services. It was intended to be a joke and nothing more.

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English is my third language, so I can tell from watching the clip again how viewers might have misunderstood what I said.Like any elected official who cares about their city, Councilwoman Wong just wanted Steve to say nice things about Cupertino, and was joking around with Cupertino's biggest local success story. Nothing wrong with that.

The Cupertino City Council doesn't seem too worried about the Wi-Fi either: Cupertino Mayor Gilbert Wong told reporters Wednesday "there is no chance we are saying no (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/09/cupertino-certain-to-approve-apples-spaceship-campus/)" to the new Apple campus.

Article Link: Cupertino Councilwoman Asking Apple For Free Wi-Fi Was An Inside Joke (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/10/cupertino-councilwoman-asking-apple-for-free-wi-fi-was-an-inside-joke/)



Surely
Jun 10, 2011, 01:48 PM
As a resident of California, I demand an inquiry!

;)

toddybody
Jun 10, 2011, 01:59 PM
It's bad when you need to explain your own "jokes". Sorry, but that whole council seems obtuse as a brick.

angrynstupid
Jun 10, 2011, 02:00 PM
The problem is that the councilwoman doesn't know her place. Jobs has done more for Cupertino than she'll ever hope to do in 20 lifetimes. These local governments wouldn't be in financial difficulties if they'd just spend the inordinate amount of tax dollars already given to them properly.

Darth.Titan
Jun 10, 2011, 02:08 PM
The problem is that the councilwoman doesn't know her place. Jobs has done more for Cupertino than she'll ever hope to do in 20 lifetimes. These local governments wouldn't be in financial difficulties if they'd just spend the inordinate amount of tax dollars already given to them properly.

Did you even read the article?

She was making a joke. Calm down.

jared52
Jun 10, 2011, 02:09 PM
Did you even read the article?

She was making a joke. Calm down.

Did you even read his screenname?

Surely
Jun 10, 2011, 02:16 PM
Did you even read his screenname?

Ha!




Since people think that Apple is religion/cult-like, shouldn't they be tax exempt like churches? ;)

jowie
Jun 10, 2011, 02:16 PM
The problem is that the councilwoman doesn't know her place. Jobs has done more for Cupertino than she'll ever hope to do in 20 lifetimes. These local governments wouldn't be in financial difficulties if they'd just spend the inordinate amount of tax dollars already given to them properly.
To be fair, it is her place to interview Mr Jobs, and expect him to follow the same rules and regulations as all other applicants. It's unfortunate for her that Steve Jobs has such a following that the whole meeting would be watched round the world by so many people. There was a lot of dry humour in there on both sides... I found it quite abrupt of Steve to make those comments about moving to Mountain View, but then none of us realised the back story until now.

You can't give someone special treatment just because of who they are, otherwise it sends out the message that the person is in control of the council. The council people made some quite cringeworthy comments, but they were just doing their jobs. No harm done, Jobs is gonna get his land. :)

tempusfugit
Jun 10, 2011, 02:18 PM
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The problem is that the councilwoman doesn't know her place. Jobs has done more for Cupertino than she'll ever hope to do in 20 lifetimes. These local governments wouldn't be in financial difficulties if they'd just spend the inordinate amount of tax dollars already given to them properly.

Did you even read the article?

She was making a joke. Calm down.

His name is "angrynstupid"

Sounds like a prototypical tea party patriot.

jowie
Jun 10, 2011, 02:18 PM
Did you even read his screenname?
Oh I just got pwned... :rolleyes:
;)

dukebound85
Jun 10, 2011, 02:21 PM
Lol part of me doesn't think it was 100% a joke but had to say it was due to backlash

iScott428
Jun 10, 2011, 02:25 PM
Sorry Jared and Darth, but Angry is right. She should have left inside jokes for personal conversation. We are talking about the worlds second largest company behind Exxon and Apple is pretty close to being #1, so to even hint at making a request for free wifi, even if it was joke, should have never been said in a public counsil meeting. Possibly one of the worlds most powerful and intellegent business man is asking if he can continue to give the city more money in taxes, building permits, etc and your asking for free wifi. Really? Someone did not goto business school. She might as well have asked jobs why he looks so thin and frail.

Dr Kevorkian94
Jun 10, 2011, 02:26 PM
screw the free wi-fi that would be an amazing public park

Peteman100
Jun 10, 2011, 02:42 PM
screw the free wi-fi that would be an amazing public park

I like that idea! Unfortunately, its probably less likely than free wifi knowing Apple...

rumz
Jun 10, 2011, 02:47 PM
The original MacRumors article didn't clearly convey the tone of that exchange. I did, however, watch the video they linked to about Job's presentation, and while it wasn't initially clear that she was joking, if you continued to watch you could tell that she wasn't serious. Probably would have been more clear if Steve thought that inside joke was really funny ;)

milo
Jun 10, 2011, 03:03 PM
Honestly I don't see any problem with her asking that, joke or not. Why not give it a shot?

Would people have been offended if she had asked and Jobs replied, "Hey, that's a great idea, sure!"

iKennett
Jun 10, 2011, 03:08 PM
Is Cupertino that great of a place to live?

rdowns
Jun 10, 2011, 03:09 PM
Why is this story in the iOS blog?

TeamMojo
Jun 10, 2011, 03:16 PM
I call BS. This woman realized she looked like a complete idiot bureaucrat in front of millions of YouTube viewers and is now walking this back as a joke. Steve didn't look like he was in on the joke. And she is also hiding behind language barrier as an excuse.

Steve was gracious enough to make an appearance at the useless little council meeting to explain Apple's plans. He did not have to be there, and they took it as an opportunity for celebrity. Stupid. No wonder governments are broke.

NAG
Jun 10, 2011, 03:45 PM
Are you saying there are people on the internet that are over-reacting based on little to no information? You obviously are not well informed and should quit your job! How could you say that?!

Why is this story in the iOS blog?

Because Macrumors never covers mac stories anymore and I want a cookie.

thfcpoole
Jun 10, 2011, 03:54 PM
It wasn't a joke... Apple are doing the free WiFi!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8RSe3qJnYM

BC2009
Jun 10, 2011, 04:13 PM
Why is this story in the iOS blog?

That was my question exactly!

kppolich
Jun 10, 2011, 04:30 PM
good things come to those who ask. even it its just a joke ;) remember that kids

jlgolson
Jun 10, 2011, 04:30 PM
Why is this story in the iOS blog?

Because...

...um...

...Wi-Fi is used by iOS devices!

OK, I clicked the wrong button.

ratzzo
Jun 10, 2011, 04:58 PM
screw the free wi-fi that would be an amazing public park

Even more if they added free Wi-Fi :rolleyes:

Doctor Q
Jun 10, 2011, 05:20 PM
How are citizens supposed to use the free Wi-Fi without free MacBook Pros and iPhones? It's outrageous that Apple didn't promise them to all Californians in exchange for us letting them operate in our state.

BigJayhawk
Jun 10, 2011, 05:27 PM
Maybe if the Council agreed to officially change the name to iWifi then Steve would have been more receptive!

Rodimus Prime
Jun 10, 2011, 06:33 PM
It's bad when you need to explain your own "jokes". Sorry, but that whole council seems obtuse as a brick.

You should see some city council meeting from around the country. Quite often you see inside jokes made that them and jokes made like that. Sadly the internet and the Apple worshippers see it as a reason to bash them or miss it because they are missing the back ground info so you get 1 million views because it is well SJ but again the back ground info is missing so people take it out of context.

I have been to a few city meetings in different places and you see jokes that out of context seem pretty bad but when you know the context (like this one about free wifi) you understand that it is nothing more than a joke.

Hastings101
Jun 10, 2011, 07:12 PM
I call BS. This woman realized she looked like a complete idiot bureaucrat in front of millions of YouTube viewers and is now walking this back as a joke. Steve didn't look like he was in on the joke. And she is also hiding behind language barrier as an excuse.

Steve was gracious enough to make an appearance at the useless little council meeting to explain Apple's plans. He did not have to be there, and they took it as an opportunity for celebrity. Stupid. No wonder governments are broke.

Gracious enough? Lol, you are a good example as to why people think most users on this forum have a steve jobs shrine in their house.

42streetsdown
Jun 10, 2011, 11:33 PM
i want to work in that building..

ruralguy
Jun 11, 2011, 02:36 AM
Stuff free wifi, isn't it about time Apple launched their own global alternative and walked away from the phone networks?

I can't see the networks being too happy about FaceTime and iMessage eroding their profits, all Apple needs to add now is iTalk and a blanket wifi alternative exclusively for iOS devices and they've totally taken over the market :p

ZS5J
Jun 11, 2011, 03:55 AM
IMO Cuppertino has the WONG people working for them on council, and they ask all the WONG questions. It was embarrassing to see them stumble over their tongues, and ask questions and make statements that a fourth grader would do a better job of.

WoFat
Jun 11, 2011, 07:20 AM
Yeah, and all my texting to that 12 year old was also a joke.

caspersoong
Jun 11, 2011, 09:54 AM
The Councilwoman needed to realise that millions of people will see that.

the8thark
Jun 11, 2011, 10:02 AM
Her joke was so funny when I saw her making it on the video I forgot to laugh.

Macopotamus
Jun 11, 2011, 10:59 AM
I found the exchange amusing, but I also picked up on the Google reference regarding free wi-fi in Mountain View immediately. I think the ones who are pretending to be offended by her comment aren't from the bay area and don't understand the local tech rivalries.

The new Apple campus looks great and the grounds look like a huge nature park, I can't wait to see it in person.

Cheffy Dave
Jun 11, 2011, 12:25 PM
May have been a joke, but SJ wasn't laughing, and the whole City Council, came off like idiots!:mad:

Cheffy Dave
Jun 11, 2011, 12:27 PM
How are citizens supposed to use the free Wi-Fi without free MacBook Pros and iPhones? It's outrageous that Apple didn't promise them to all Californians in exchange for us letting them operate in our state.

LOL, exactly, I mean the least SJ could have done!:rolleyes:

Surely
Jun 11, 2011, 12:35 PM
May have been a joke, but SJ wasn't laughing, and the whole City Council, came off like idiots!:mad:

The councilman who used to be an HP employee seemed competent. He should run against Lloyd for mayor!

abm25
Jun 11, 2011, 03:45 PM
I think Apple shouldn't have to provide free wi-fi. This is something that needs to happen in all cities around the US anyway, and companies should not be involved in that. I think, like Jobs said, the property tax should suffice. Oh yeah, let's not forget the job oppertunities and the new revinue from employees that are moving to Cupertino.

gnasher729
Jun 11, 2011, 04:08 PM
It's bad when you need to explain your own "jokes".

Absolutely. She really overestimated the intelligence of her audience. A fatal mistake for any politician.

Sorry, but that whole council seems obtuse as a brick.

Not the council in my opinion.


I call BS. This woman realized she looked like a complete idiot bureaucrat in front of millions of YouTube viewers and is now walking this back as a joke. Steve didn't look like he was in on the joke. And she is also hiding behind language barrier as an excuse.

More like a case of Americans having no sense of humour.

bigjobby
Jun 11, 2011, 04:47 PM
Honestly I don't see any problem with her asking that, joke or not. Why not give it a shot?

Would people have been offended if she had asked and Jobs replied, "Hey, that's a great idea, sure!"

Absolutely. If you don't ask you don't get and there was nothing to lose.

Mr. Mellow
Jun 11, 2011, 05:08 PM
Some council members were a little obsequious toward Steve Jobs, and instead of making frivolous requests, they should have asked the same questions of him that they would ask of any major (no-name) developer. An example is the lack of follow-through on Jobs' reply to the traffic question, that employment would only be increased by 20%. That's 20% more people on the roads.

Although this is a preliminary meeting, it is one of the city council's jobs to alert a developer to legitimate concerns over potential impacts, so the developer can address them prior to formal submittal. Many issues were addressed, but I would like to have heard how Jobs intends to address potential traffic congestion, or at least acknowledge the concern. Apple's bio-diesel busses certainly help mitigate traffic concerns, but is that enough. I was just curious, and would rather hear those issues addressed than whether they will provide free wi-fi.

By the way, I thought his answer to that was perfect. Taxes support infrastructure development, and if the city wants to supply free wi-fi infrastructure, they can find a way to do that. On the other hand, I thought Jobs' indicating he would pull out of town if the project wasn't approved is typical big-corporation bullying. Not saying it was a threat, nor am I saying that it's not an effective tactic; I just think he should have left that one for the cost-benefit write-up in the proposal instead of saying it in a public forum. This was not the meeting to argue for approval, so keep it positive. Every good developer knows this.

Aussieiphone
Jun 11, 2011, 08:57 PM
They should!

Being allowed to earn the kind of money they do in OUR society. They should be kissing OUR feet.

Nice products, not cheap, but where's the love for the fellowman?

frjonah
Jun 11, 2011, 09:27 PM
They should!

Being allowed to earn the kind of money they do in OUR society. They should be kissing OUR feet.

Nice products, not cheap, but where's the love for the fellowman?

Wow, that's totally socialist... in a free market society, the market can elect not to support their products if they disagree with their lack of "care for the fellowman" ...

...and, in a free market sense, they do "kiss our feet" by following the adage that the "customer is always right." Apple has world class customer service and, in my experience, treats their customers extremely well. The notion that they owe us something because they are successful is quite frightening to me. The notion that they owe non-customers something other than what they pay in taxes is anti-free market and anti-democratic.

Were you just joking?

rcappo
Jun 12, 2011, 12:28 AM
The city should provide free wifi. However on Apple's campus, they should have a few public access points for use with Apple products.

I am surprised that Apple doesn't have a company store setup somewhere. Or a Genius Bar, with 'guest Geniuses' to see how users are breaking their products.

Giuly
Jun 12, 2011, 02:36 AM
I don't even understand why the council consists of Asia-born people who have "English as their third language". Honestly, the council looks like the Apple KIRF headquarter or some subsidiary of Foxconn. :rolleyes:

Aussieiphone
Jun 12, 2011, 02:43 AM
The notion that they owe us something because they are successful is quite frightening to me. The notion that they owe non-customers something other than what they pay in taxes is anti-free market and anti-democratic.

Were you just joking?

I didn't know Bernie Madoff was on these forums...

Frightening - lol

Anti-free market - pure capitalism has done this country sooooo well (there's your joke, a sad joke really)

Anti-democratic - no, anti-republican/right wing. Earning mega-profits At your fellowman's expense is NOT democratic - it's a crime against humanity.

They do owe US - big time. We, the people, through Government, make the laws as a privilege, not a right, for corporations to exist and earn (and we bail-out these private enterprises too when they are mismanaged by so-called financial managers - GM has paid back its debt since Public/Government management stepped in).

So don't for a freakin' millisecond think they don't owe us anything. Innovation can still exist without extreme financial gain - heck, who was the first man in space...

hovercast
Jun 12, 2011, 03:57 AM
It wasn't a joke... Apple are doing the free WiFi!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8RSe3qJnYM

hahahaha!! These council people are an embarrassment to society.

skunk
Jun 12, 2011, 04:12 AM
I don't even understand why the council consists of Asia-born people who have "English as their third language". Honestly, the council looks like the Apple KIRF headquarter or some subsidiary of Foxconn. :rolleyes:Right. They should all be native Americans.

Powerbooky
Jun 12, 2011, 05:34 AM
The Councilwoman needed to realise that millions of people will see that.

I don't believe for a second that she doesn't realize that. She just tried asking and, unfortunately(?), got nothing. Even though "free wifi" seems such a stupid thing to ask for. Besides that... the current wifi technology is very limited and not designed for city wide use. You need to install so many transmitters, that is just a waste of money if you ask me.

gmcalpin
Jun 12, 2011, 08:00 AM
I don't even understand why the council consists of Asia-born people who have "English as their third language". Honestly, the council looks like the Apple KIRF headquarter or some subsidiary of Foxconn. :rolleyes:
You have no clue how racist or at the very least, xenophobic that comment is, do you?

TheUndertow
Jun 12, 2011, 09:25 AM
Right. They should all be native Americans.

+2 ... A little historical context goes a long way.

arcite
Jun 12, 2011, 11:28 AM
You have no clue how racist or at the very least, xenophobic that comment is, do you?

Frankly I have trouble speaking two languages perfectly.

The councilwoman seemed remarkably cool and composed, creating a useful dialogue with Steve which she knew full well would be front page news around the world.

The Beatles
Jun 12, 2011, 12:18 PM
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She pressed the issue. When steve first answered her question she then asked for him to be more specific and suggested wifi. She wasn't joking she was being greedy.

ratzzo
Jun 12, 2011, 12:28 PM
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She pressed the issue. When steve first answered her question she then asked for him to be more specific and suggested wifi. She wasn't joking she was being greedy.

One of the cases of.. let's ask, and if all else fails, just say it was an "inside joke."

I like SJ's determination on his negative answer.:p

frjonah
Jun 12, 2011, 09:31 PM
So don't for a freakin' millisecond think they don't owe us anything. Innovation can still exist without extreme financial gain - heck, who was the first man in space...

Yuri Gagarin, cosmonaut of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics...

Also, I'm actually very far from republican, but the idea that corporations inherently owe us something above and beyond their taxes goes against the basic principles of a free-market based society... the fact that your proof of innovation outside the free-market required you to turn to the USSR, which killed at least 20,000,000 people under the great innovator Stalin, is just plain sad.

Thanks for proving my point...

Btw... Bernie Madoff... really? He broke the law, he was the mastermind of a ponzi scheme, which defrauded investors with no benefit whatsoever. What's the analogy to corporations like Apple?

Preclaro_tipo
Jun 13, 2011, 06:48 AM
I also don't think she meant that as a joke...she is just covering up her misstep.

Sure, she looked dumb BUT WHERE IS THE THREAD ABOUT THE COUNCILMAN WHO ASKED IF THE BUILDING WOULD CONFORM TO THE SAFETY CODE?

He literally asked if it would conform to safety regulation, like fire.

skip to 15:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P95HSkeLsmc

A better way for him to ask it would have been to say something like: Steve, you said that this building will be unlike any other office building made. While I know it is our final responsibility to be sure that the building conforms to fire codes that, to this point, were made without considering a building of this unique nature. Can you tell us what safety consideration you and your team have made thus far?

See, open ended question, not 'will safety be put into consideration' (what a moron)

toddybody
Jun 13, 2011, 11:56 AM
Ha!




Since people think that Apple is religion/cult-like, shouldn't they be tax exempt like churches? ;)

If Scientology is Tax Exempt...Apple damn well better be!

Themaeds
Jun 13, 2011, 12:06 PM
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His name is "angrynstupid"

Sounds like a prototypical tea party patriot.

haha we are going to need to see this congresswoman's birth certificate

djrobsd
Jun 13, 2011, 12:42 PM
It wasn't a joke... Apple are doing the free WiFi!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8RSe3qJnYM

Wow, some people have too much time on their hands...

Macboy Pro
Jun 13, 2011, 12:48 PM
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His name is "angrynstupid"

Sounds like a prototypical tea party patriot.


Yea, I guess if his name was "nontaxpayinguneducatedcluelessLEMMING" he would be a democrat.

Macboy Pro
Jun 13, 2011, 12:53 PM
Yuri Gagarin, cosmonaut of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics...

Btw... Bernie Madoff... really? He broke the law, he was the mastermind of a ponzi scheme, which defrauded investors with no benefit whatsoever"

sounds like the Social Security Administration to me. At least Bernie asked for the money....

CDCC
Jun 14, 2011, 04:15 AM
Is Cupertino that great of a place to live?


Most would not know this answer. It is insanely expen$ive to buy a home there. Heart of Bay Area and near Stanford.

ratzzo
Jun 14, 2011, 04:20 AM
Most would not know this answer. It is insanely expen$ive to buy a home there. Heart of Bay Area and near Stanford.

I guess it'd be less expensive than to buy a gigantic spaceship-like building :D

CDCC
Jun 14, 2011, 04:23 AM
screw the free wi-fi that would be an amazing public park

Nope. Jobs does not want anyone touching his precious fruit trees!

Also, most of the people that would be using the park if it was open would be spies from China and MS.