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Herdfan
Jun 10, 2011, 02:05 PM
Lets say I don't want to upgrade to Lion, but do want to upgrade to Mail 5. Will that be possible?

Thanks



Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2011, 02:07 PM
Unfortunately not (Using SL after playing with lion Lion, SL's Mail really sucks. Definitely what I miss the most.)

joelovesapple
Jun 10, 2011, 02:11 PM
Unfortunately not (Using SL after playing with lion Lion, SL's Mail really sucks. Definitely what I miss the most.)

Agreed, I can't wait for Mail 5. Mail 4 looks ancient by comparison - I love the new search and organisational features... just looks more logical!

Lion couldn't come quickly enough! But that doesn't mean I'm going to an african jungle to retrieve one :D .

nuckinfutz
Jun 10, 2011, 03:45 PM
Lets say I don't want to upgrade to Lion, but do want to upgrade to Mail 5. Will that be possible?

Thanks

Prolly not.

Mail's Search Token feature and other items are probably coming from deeper architectural improvements in Lion.

joelovesapple
Jun 10, 2011, 04:08 PM
Also, because Mail 5 was demoed at WWDC, makes it a key selling point to upgrade to Lion. They wouldn't put it on Snow Leopard because it might discourage people from upgrading... thus Apple would not gain much money as they might do by including it in Lion only.

Herdfan
Jun 10, 2011, 08:00 PM
Oh, well. I guess I will have to upgrade to Lion.

But I would have paid them $30 for mail alone.

Thanks for the replies!

Cougarcat
Jun 10, 2011, 08:08 PM
Oh, well. I guess I will have to upgrade to Lion.

But I would have paid them $30 for mail alone.

Thanks for the replies!

You might want to look into Sparrow (http://sparrowmailapp.com/). It's essentially Mail 5 + extra Gmail integration. But it's $10, so you may as well just get Lion instead.

Herdfan
Jun 11, 2011, 09:10 AM
I looked at Sparrow, but there is too much Twitter and FB integration for me. Just want a good mail client. Mail 4 works fine, but I miss the side reading pane. I know you can do Widemail or Letterbox, but would rather just wait.

Thanks.

labaom
Jun 11, 2011, 09:26 AM
I have a better solution for everyone. I see no need to use desktop clients for email anymore since Windows XP (Outlook Express FTW). If you have Gmail, you can have a Gmail widget in Chrome and open it within browser. No reason to have another application out if you have your browser up. You can also you extensions to clean gmail and make it look REALLY nice.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2e3vak7.png

Herdfan
Jun 11, 2011, 02:48 PM
Maybe, but I have 5 email accounts all in one place. And my mail is there waiting on me.

C64
Jun 11, 2011, 02:54 PM
[...] you can have [...] Gmail [...] within [a] browserWow.

cocacolakid
Jun 11, 2011, 05:08 PM
Wow.

You can actually open GMail in a browser? Holy crap. :D

*LTD*
Jun 11, 2011, 05:13 PM
What's with that Mailbox List still in Mail (now in Mail 5)?

Add a Gmail account and watch the mess unfold. Took me a little while to get a grasp on all of it. Granted, I get it now and it's better than it was, but it's still a mess.

Why couldn't they make the list like what's in Sparrow? Sparrow handles multiple accounts beautifully.

Mail 5:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8949/examplesr.png


Or how about just implementing the iPad version? At least that version handles each account separately. Work from "inboxes" or you can work from "accounts."

Sparrow:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm0fjkXCzF1qhut0to1_1280.png?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1307917249&Signature=D5fItRZFjXGY4VK2bON%2B2k3GInM%3D

Cougarcat
Jun 11, 2011, 05:29 PM
What's with that Mailbox List still in Mail (now in Mail 5)?

Add a Gmail account and watch the mess unfold. Took me a little while to get a grasp on all of it. Granted, I get it now and it's better than it was, but it's still a mess.

Why couldn't they make the list like what's in Sparrow? Sparrow handles multiple accounts beautifully.

Are you referring to the sidebar, and the Gmail folder with all mail, drafts, etc? With the Favorites bar, you can hide the whole sidebar if you want, and rely on favorites instead to switch between inboxes.

*LTD*
Jun 11, 2011, 05:38 PM
Are you referring to the sidebar, and the Gmail folder with all mail, drafts, etc? With the Favorites bar, you can hide the whole sidebar if you want, and rely on favorites instead to switch between inboxes.

Thank you. Somewhat better but still a mess. I'm finding myself transferring everything to the top now and it's becoming a jumble. Why not do the same sort of logical separation (with unified inbox option) that's in Sparrow? Now I'm using both the favourites bar *and* the sidebar, whereas everything could have been taken care of within the sidebar.

I look at the sidebar in Mail, and I see three trash icons, I see two areas for Gmail, one with friggin brackets around it, I see a separate area for MobileMe, but no inbox in that location. It looks as if Gmail has its own little world (and an errant inbox icon at the top of the sidebar) while normal Apple mail folders are all over the place. All of this is "organized" (if you can call it that) via some hierarchical drill-down menus. Truly sad.

Cougarcat
Jun 11, 2011, 06:04 PM
I look at the sidebar in Mail, and I see three trash icons, I see two areas for Gmail, one with friggin brackets around it, I see a separate area for MobileMe, but no inbox in that location. It looks as if Gmail has its own little world (and an errant inbox icon at the top of the sidebar) while normal Apple mail folders are all over the place. All of this is "organized" (if you can call it that) via some hierarchical drill-down menus. Truly sad.

What's wrong with just ignoring the [Gmail] folder and pretending it doesn't exist? Ignore the MobileMe section as well, you don't need it. That's what I do, works fine. I agree that the multiple trashes is absurd, but just close the triangle and treat it as one. No big deal.

I agree with you though, Mail needs to copy Sparrow in this respect.

*LTD*
Jun 11, 2011, 06:14 PM
What's wrong with just ignoring the [Gmail] folder and pretending it doesn't exist? Ignore the MobileMe section as well, you don't need it. That's what I do, works fine. I agree that the multiple trashes is absurd, but just close the triangle and treat it as one. No big deal.

I agree with you though, Mail needs to copy Sparrow in this respect.

I can ignore it - tried that. But then I don't get certain Gmail-specific features that for some reason Sparrow seems to pull off in a clean, understandable manner. Even though you're right about ignoring certain things - you and I can do that - but Joe Average will be left quivering in the foetal position, not knowing which folder to use.

Ah well, enough of my rant. I normally love pretty much everything Apple does, and Mail looks brilliant when you look at it from right to left . . . right up until your eyes hit that cluster**** sidebar.

Mail handles Apple accounts very well but that's it, thought I'm not sure why the hell we need a separate MobileMe folder area.

iThinkergoiMac
Jun 11, 2011, 08:16 PM
No reason to have another application out if you have your browser up.

But what if I don't have a browser up? What if I don't run my browser 24/7? :p

basti
Jun 13, 2011, 11:55 PM
Is there any news on Mail 5 in Snow Leopard?

As I have a Macbook Black (Core Duo -- not Core 2 Duo) regarding Apple I will not be able to upgrade to Lion.
But Mail 5 does look pretty nice.
No chance to make this happen?

duyvan82
Jun 14, 2011, 01:01 AM
What's wrong with just ignoring the [Gmail] folder and pretending it doesn't exist? Ignore the MobileMe section as well, you don't need it. That's what I do, works fine. I agree that the multiple trashes is absurd, but just close the triangle and treat it as one. No big deal.

I agree with you though, Mail needs to copy Sparrow in this respect.

Mail 5 doesn't sync up the "local" sent folder with Gmail's sent folder so one can't really ignore the [Google Mail] folder down the sidebar. I'm sorry but Sparrow is still far superior when it comes to handling Gmail IMAP. I'm hoping they'll implement Mail 5's new conversation view into the next version of Sparrow!

wesleyh
Jun 14, 2011, 04:17 AM
Any improvement in spam detection?

LuMe96
Jun 14, 2011, 06:11 AM
Hi all,

Mail 5 doesn't sync up the "local" sent folder with Gmail's sent folder so one can't really ignore the [Google Mail] folder down the sidebar. I'm sorry but Sparrow is still far superior when it comes to handling Gmail IMAP. I'm hoping they'll implement Mail 5's new conversation view into the next version of Sparrow!

Actually you can do some optimization here :
1) In Mail 5 (and even Mail 4), go to the GMail account setup and make sure that you've checked the "Store mail on server" boxes for Sent, Trash, Spam and Drafts (this is default, I think).

2) Select the "Sent Mail" Sub-Folder under the [GMail] folder, then click on the "Mailbox" menu item, go down to "Use this mailbox for" and select "Sent Mail".

Repeat step 2 for the Trash, Drafts and Spam [GMail] Sub-folders. This will link the "real" Sent, Draft, ... folders to the [GMail] subfolders. The GMail subfolders will not show any more and you get everything synchronized between Mail and GMail server.

Also, you might then go to your GMail account setup with your browser and exclude some labels from showing up as IMAP folders (labels like "All mail" and "Starred").

It's not perfect but cleans it up quite a little.

NB.: I'm running a french version of OS X so menu item names might not be exactly as I translated them.

Hope this helps.

Bye,
Lutz