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MacRumors
Jun 12, 2011, 03:33 AM
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While all the focus has been the many new features found in iOS 5 Beta, Apple also released a new developer beta of Mac OS X (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/06/mac-os-x-lion-set-for-july-debut-priced-at-29-99-mac-app-store-exclusive/) Lion last week.

Many of Mac OS X Lion's features have been known for months, but Apple has snuck in at least one interesting new feature called "Restart to Safari". According to a tipster, on the user lock screen, you are given the option to "Restart to Safari" rather than logging in. This allows you to boot the computer into just the web browser and nothing else. This browser only mode allows unauthorized users to simply browse the web through Safari rather than having access to any personal files or other applications on the machine. Of course with Lion's new auto-save and application restore feature, returning users will find themselves back at the same place they were before the restart. This browser-only mode is reminiscent of Google's lightweight Chrome OS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS) which is designed to offer the user a web-only based operating system.

Apple's motivations for offering such a browser-only mode differs from Google's. Google is partnering with manufacturers in order to build Chrome OS only laptops that offer cheap browser-only machines. Apple's not likely to be going that route with Mac OS X Lion but is instead offering a nice sandboxed mode so Lion can easily act as a secure and anonymous web kiosk.

Article Link: Mac OS X Lion Can Run in Chrome OS-Like Browser Only Mode (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/mac-os-x-lion-can-run-in-chrome-os-like-browser-only-mode/)



deadlystriker
Jun 12, 2011, 03:44 AM
THIS > Chrome book

World Citizen
Jun 12, 2011, 03:46 AM
Pleas let someone try to use an MS remote app. ( you know, the internet distributed apps...)

If this works, I will change our company's infra structure.

Mac mini clients, only safarilogon + remote cms and office app. Thats about 50 clients who dont need more than that

10 heavy users can get a normal useracount on the mac, and use rdp to connect to an MS workplace.

I can invest in apple hardware NOW... To change completly in the future.
Our CMS software is bieng rewritten for osx as we speak.. So in 2 year its testetd + we got the hardware = we leave MS except for exchange and office for mac.

Perfect!

mike5411
Jun 12, 2011, 03:51 AM
I wonder if a Mac running this browser only mode would have better battery life than running OSX?

Becordial
Jun 12, 2011, 03:52 AM
This would be great for iOS too. If you want to allow people to use your iPad or iPhone but dont want them to go to your email this would be quite handy.

AAPLaday
Jun 12, 2011, 03:56 AM
Am I reading this wrong or could anyone who used my Mac now have full access to the internet on it? (Still drunk from last night ha!) :o

8CoreWhore
Jun 12, 2011, 03:58 AM
Wow! I wonder how much of the OS is running? Maybe all... this is a lock-down feature, not resource saver.

el3ktro
Jun 12, 2011, 04:05 AM
@MacRumors: The official name for this new operating system is now "OS X Lion" and NOT "Mac OS X Lion". Apple dropped the "Mac" in front of it.

Michaelgtrusa
Jun 12, 2011, 04:05 AM
Really good.

Apple_OD
Jun 12, 2011, 04:05 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

This was actually an advertised feature. It was mentioned as part of the "find my mac" feature to trick potential thieves into using the Internet whilst stopping them from gaining access to any personal files.

Jens Engels
Jun 12, 2011, 04:17 AM
Wow this is pretty nice, i hope battery life improves then.

i have also a question, does somebody know a program or anything to only watch movies on you macbook pro, without the whole OS working/booting, so you can have a longer battery power, so more movies to watch?

or will this be integrated also in OS X lion?

Gilj
Jun 12, 2011, 04:20 AM
Great!
So when Apple will close the system completely, and we could install App Store Apps only, we could use the Browser only mode for Jailbreakme.com . YAY!

Gonky
Jun 12, 2011, 04:21 AM
This is a great idea. I work from my Macbook Air so have to always have a regularly changing password set, however it's also my personal computer and sometimes my girlfriend wants to quickly check something online. This is a good way for her to use the web without needing to remember a constantly changing password.

Ulf1103
Jun 12, 2011, 04:23 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; nl-nl) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

It's not that I'm gonna use that a lot, but it's a nice extra. :)

clinton1550
Jun 12, 2011, 04:38 AM
Great feature but how do I use it?

I've booted into my Lion DP4 partition to try it out but I can't find the option to restart into Safari. It's not in the Lock Screen or the Login Window.

Did the "tipster" have any further details?

baryon
Jun 12, 2011, 04:40 AM
What's even better is that Safari Only mode runs not from the primary partition but from the recovery partition. This means that you can use Safari even if your entire system crashes or anything happens to it. That's very useful to get help or do emergency communication.

So unless you have a hardware failure, you will ALWAYS have access to the net.

duyvan82
Jun 12, 2011, 04:47 AM
Great feature but how do I use it?

I've booted into my Lion DP4 partition to try it out but I can't find the option to restart into Safari. It's not in the Lock Screen or the Login Window.

Did the "tipster" have any further details?

+1 can't find it anywhere on the lock screen.

theLimit
Jun 12, 2011, 04:51 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16)

Finally, Wife Mode! Now when she wants to use my computer for a minute to surf, she won't accidentally mess up any of my important (porn) files.

AdeFowler
Jun 12, 2011, 04:53 AM
Do Extensions work? How about Flash?

I assume it has access to a subset of fonts? What about Java?

So many questions :confused:

xappeal
Jun 12, 2011, 04:53 AM
It is not on the login screen, but the lock screen.

Set a password, wait for your computer to lock and the option will be on the screen where it asks for your password.

Aussiebute
Jun 12, 2011, 04:54 AM
Great feature but how do I use it?

I've booted into my Lion DP4 partition to try it out but I can't find the option to restart into Safari. It's not in the Lock Screen or the Login Window.

Did the "tipster" have any further details?

+1 can't find it anywhere on the lock screen.

Log off your user account, I think this is on the Logon Screen :rolleyes:


It is not on the login screen, but the lock screen.

Set a password, wait for your computer to lock and the option will be on the screen where it asks for your password.

sigh i don't have a dev account

clinton1550
Jun 12, 2011, 05:03 AM
It is not on the login screen, but the lock screen.

Set a password, wait for your computer to lock and the option will be on the screen where it asks for your password.

No dice. I see "Cancel" and "Switch User". A friend on Twitter says he can't find it either.

silexh
Jun 12, 2011, 05:08 AM
Anyone here who can find it? (I can't either)

Luis Ortega
Jun 12, 2011, 05:09 AM
My little Asus netbook has the same feature called express gate cloud os.
You can press a button on the keyboard and it turns on quickly to the asus os that lets you use the internet and some programs.
To be honest, I don't use it since I prefer to just turn on the netbook and have access to all of its features.

macsmurf
Jun 12, 2011, 05:10 AM
Pleas let someone try to use an MS remote app. ( you know, the internet distributed apps...)

If this works, I will change our company's infra structure.

Mac mini clients, only safarilogon + remote cms and office app. Thats about 50 clients who dont need more than that

10 heavy users can get a normal useracount on the mac, and use rdp to connect to an MS workplace.

I can invest in apple hardware NOW... To change completly in the future.
Our CMS software is bieng rewritten for osx as we speak.. So in 2 year its testetd + we got the hardware = we leave MS except for exchange and office for mac.

Perfect!

..Or you could just use Citrix today. This is just a kiosk mode feature, albeit a nice one.

The MS platform is actually very well suited for enterprises. That's why so many enterprises use it. You would be insane to leave all that for kiosk mode.

Apple is not an enterprise oriented company and care little for their enterprise customers. A switch from MS to Apple entails a lot of extra risk and should be justified with some heavy benefits. The benefit of kiosk mode? Please :D

h00ligan
Jun 12, 2011, 05:19 AM
It's a pretty big stretch to compare this to chrome. In fact I'm not sure why that was even brought up.

Lion can boot into safari only kiosk mode.

I also agree with the above poster sort of. It's not just about the risk but cost analysis. You'd have to be a pretty incompetent it director to pack in mega storage cheap x86 platforms (windows or Linux or unix) for a bunch of mini servers. Or work in a very very small environment. And be willing to move to opendns. And be willing to retrain staff. And be willing to have less backup solutions. And. And and.

That isn't to say osx server doesn't have a place. Creative houses. Small business. Add on servers. And fwiw my last three employers have been large creative houses with Mac backends. But the scope is limited. Your average company isn't going Mac anytime soon on the backend.

roadbloc
Jun 12, 2011, 05:22 AM
Interesting feature, however, nothing like ChromeOS in my opinion.

AdeFowler
Jun 12, 2011, 05:25 AM
If it's only available from the lock screen, my earlier questions are irrelevant, as are comparisons to Chrome OS.

inkhead
Jun 12, 2011, 05:31 AM
As I mentioned 6 months ago …
(with my usual inside source, that gives you guys plenty of intel)

Apple has a long term plan to build an operating system into the browser. Right now in their tests it's a mix between OS X and iOS. Long term the plan is to offer a platform that will make the browser a bigger download but allow users with any hardware that runs the safari browse to access the Mac OS X (apple) experience…

This is one of their longterm goals…

Atlantico
Jun 12, 2011, 05:32 AM
Lion kiosk mode.

Certainly useful, but meh. Or even MEH. :p

Mr. Gates
Jun 12, 2011, 05:34 AM
The HP's have a similar pre boot OS for light surfing, Mail, and Skype

Its actually pretty cool

MartiNZ
Jun 12, 2011, 05:37 AM
If the whole OS is still running while this mode is active, I just hope this is far more secure than At Ease :D.

KALLT
Jun 12, 2011, 06:07 AM
Personally, I yet have to see the whole benefits of a browser-only mode or Chrome OS. I accept the argument that people might spend more time on their browser nowadays than any other application, but that does not make the latter redundant. I always end up multitasking while browsing. For me, an OS like Chome OS would be far too limited for me.

In spite of this, I am very thrilled to see what Apple's further intentions are. If Apple does this right, then the browser-only mode could compete with Chrome OS. Since Apple yet has to introduce all the features of iCloud/MobileMe, it may very well be possible that it includes e.g. iWork to work online, a feature similar to Google Docs. This could be very interesting.

dolph0291
Jun 12, 2011, 06:09 AM
Nope, don't see it, only standard "restart" "shut down" "switch user" "cancel". Running 10.7 11A480b.

erijkgabriel
Jun 12, 2011, 06:24 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

This was actually an advertised feature. It was mentioned as part of the "find my mac" feature to trick potential thieves into using the Internet whilst stopping them from gaining access to any personal files.

+1

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/07/os-x-lion-developer-preview-4-adds-find-my-mac/

Ozzzz
Jun 12, 2011, 06:36 AM
Log off your user account, I think this is on the Logon Screen :rolleyes:




sigh i don't have a dev account

Well i've tried all of these options, but still i don't see the option "restart to safari"

- When i lock my screen i only see a logon-window... with a active screensaver... pretty cool!!!!

-When is logoff i only see a logon-window and three options

- sleeping mode
- restart
- turnoff

So i really don't get it.... someone with a good solution?

Sbrocket
Jun 12, 2011, 06:46 AM
@MacRumors: The official name for this new operating system is now "OS X Lion" and NOT "Mac OS X Lion". Apple dropped the "Mac" in front of it.

No, sorry. Try again next time.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/06/06lion.html

hob
Jun 12, 2011, 06:49 AM
Definitely not seeing this feature in DP4 - anyone?

skyhawkmatthew
Jun 12, 2011, 06:53 AM
You need to have the iCloud beta software installed and Find My Mac enabled before the Safari-only mode appears.

Wontu
Jun 12, 2011, 06:54 AM
No, sorry. Try again next time.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/06/06lion.html
But on the main page it's just OS X Lion. http://www.apple.com/macosx/

lfc
Jun 12, 2011, 06:55 AM
The feature is also listed here
http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/whats-new/features.html#internetrestore

Dr McKay
Jun 12, 2011, 06:57 AM
This is a very handy feature, I have a button on my Sony Vaio marked "WEB" and it boots up in just a web browser. Even has Flash on it.

Dont use it too much though, as my laptop only ever gets put into Hibernation, its only handy to use when I want to check something on the internet quickly, and the laptop has been shut down, but in that situation, 9 times of 10 I turn to my iPad.

Its more of a case of "Id rather have it and not need it" feature.

orisonmarden
Jun 12, 2011, 06:58 AM
So, when i open a site like killer joe, what should i do? :p

Sbrocket
Jun 12, 2011, 06:59 AM
But on the main page it's just OS X Lion. http://www.apple.com/macosx/

Which is shorter? "Mac OS X Lion" or "OS X Lion"? That's why its used on the front page.

Clearly "Mac OS X Lion" isn't wrong if Apple PR uses it. "Mac OS" hasn't gone anywhere. Both are correct, one is just shorthand.

Also, http://www.apple.com/macosx/how-to-buy/, bottom of the page. "Upgrade to OS X Lion" and "Learn about new APIs and capabilities in Mac OS X Lion" right next to each other.

This is a silly argument. My point was to not be the guy that always wants to call people out for saying "OS X" (oh-es-ex vs oh-es-ten) "wrong".

Wontu
Jun 12, 2011, 07:06 AM
Which is shorter? "Mac OS X Lion" or "OS X Lion"? That's why its used on the front page.

Clearly "Mac OS X Lion" isn't wrong if Apple PR uses it. "Mac OS" hasn't gone anywhere. Both are correct, one is just shorthand.

Also, http://www.apple.com/macosx/how-to-buy/, bottom of the page. "Upgrade to OS X Lion" and "Learn about new APIs and capabilities in Mac OS X Lion" right next to each other.

This is a silly argument. My point was to not be the guy that always wants to call people out for saying "OS X" (oh-es-ex vs oh-es-ten) "wrong".
I just wanted to point out that Apple is inconsistent in their use, and that's probably the reason why the OP was confused.

cube
Jun 12, 2011, 07:09 AM
You mean like ASUS ExpressGate, which has been available for years now?

teekayx
Jun 12, 2011, 07:12 AM
can't find this option nowhere in osx lion :/
(and yes, i looked in the lock screen and elsewhere.. nada..)

G4DP
Jun 12, 2011, 07:14 AM
You mean like ASUS ExpressGate, which has been available for years now?

Is it magical?

Is the HP one revolutionary?


:p

clinton1550
Jun 12, 2011, 07:17 AM
You need to have the iCloud beta software installed and Find My Mac enabled before the Safari-only mode appears.

Confirmed. Grab the iCloud installer from the MDC — or other sources ;) — and install it on the Lion DP4 partition. Restart in Safari appears in lock screen.

Crucial detail left out by the author.

rdlink
Jun 12, 2011, 07:41 AM
Great!
So when Apple will close the system completely, and we could install App Store Apps only, we could use the Browser only mode for Jailbreakme.com . YAY!


Think before you post. Why would Apple almost certainly alienate the bulk of a 50 millon+ user base just as it starts to experience its best growth, and risk throwing users to their competitors? With the improvements that Windows 7 brought to the Windows PC, and the introduction of the Chrome OS, they would be idiots to do this. Just more FUD.

Please stop your whining drivel, make rational decisions on what you ACTUALLY experience based on what Apple ACTUALLY does, and move to another OS if their business model doesn't suit your needs as a computer user.

RodThePlod
Jun 12, 2011, 07:50 AM
Finally, Wife Mode! Now when she wants to use my computer for a minute to surf, she won't accidentally mess up any of my important (porn) files.

Hahhaha - love it! So you, too, have experienced that "Ohhh shoot!" moment when the wife says "Honey... Can I just use your laptop for a minute..." :D

RTP.

E.Lizardo
Jun 12, 2011, 07:59 AM
Think before you post. Why would Apple almost certainly alienate the bulk of a 50 millon+ user base just as it starts to experience its best growth, and risk throwing users to their competitors? With the improvements that Windows 7 brought to the Windows PC, and the introduction of the Chrome OS, they would be idiots to do this. Just more FUD.

Please stop your whining drivel, make rational decisions on what you ACTUALLY experience based on what Apple ACTUALLY does, and move to another OS if their business model doesn't suit your needs as a computer user.

Agreed.Kind of amazing how some people continue to cling to this crazy nonsense prediction.But then there are a lot of people who"just know"with absolute certainty what Apple will or won't do.See the posts about last year's lost/stolen iPhone 4.There are plenty of things in life to get upset about without inventing more.

SiPat
Jun 12, 2011, 08:01 AM
Wow this is pretty nice, i hope battery life improves then.

i have also a question, does somebody know a program or anything to only watch movies on you macbook pro, without the whole OS working/booting, so you can have a longer battery power, so more movies to watch?

or will this be integrated also in OS X lion?

I've just watched .mov and .avi video files in Safari Version 5.0.5 (6533.21.1) in OSX 10.6.7, so anything's possible. I did this by CTRL-clicking a file and Open with..., Other and as Safari doesn't come up as a Recommended Application, you have to change the drop-down to All Applications.

Safari doesn't open these files from the File menu, so this means that you have to have access to the video file in the first place.

*LTD*
Jun 12, 2011, 08:22 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8J2)

Malware-free mode? Am I not understanding this, or does this mode make OS X completely secure?

couto27
Jun 12, 2011, 08:22 AM
great news if makes 20 hours of battery in safari mode:)

kristoffers4
Jun 12, 2011, 08:24 AM
@MacRumors: The official name for this new operating system is now "OS X Lion" and NOT "Mac OS X Lion". Apple dropped the "Mac" in front of it.

That is not true! Check the "about this Mac" window on my 2009 iMac running Mac OS X 10.7 Lion (DP4). It clearly says "Mac OS X", doesn't it?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5166572/Schermafbeelding%202011-06-12%20om%2015.21.21.png

AppliedMicro
Jun 12, 2011, 08:30 AM
Apple has a long term plan to build an operating system into the browser.
Long term the plan is to offer a platform that will make the browser a bigger download but allow users with any hardware that runs the safari browse to access the Mac OS X (apple) experience…

This is one of their longterm goals…
No, it's not.
Quite the contrary, I'd say.

Mobile Me might have been a shot at providing "Apple experience" in the browser - albeit not a particularly successful one, it seems. iCloud represents a (recent) paradigm shift to that. Both store your data in the cloud. But while Mobile Me is about web applications, iCloud is about syncing devices. If you look at Apple's respective press releases, the difference is striking:

Mobile Me Announcement:

"Apple® today introduced MobileMe™, a new Internet service that delivers push email, push contacts and push calendars from the MobileMe service in the “cloud” to native applications on iPhone™, iPod® touch, Macs and PCs. MobileMe also provides a suite of elegant, ad-free web applications that deliver a desktop-like experience through any modern browser. MobileMe applications (www.me.com) include Mail, Contacts and Calendar, as well as Gallery for viewing and sharing photos and iDisk for storing and exchanging documents online.
(...)
MobileMe web applications are 100 percent ad-free and provide an incredible, desktop-like experience that allows users to drag and drop, click and drag and even use keyboard shortcuts. MobileMe provides anywhere access to Mail, Contacts and Calendar, with a unified interface that allows users to switch between applications with a single click, and Gallery makes it easy to share photos on the web in stunning quality"

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/06/09mobileme.html


iCloud announcement:

"Apple® today introduced iCloud®, a breakthrough set of free new cloud services that work seamlessly with applications on your iPhone®, iPad®, iPod touch®, Mac® or PC to automatically and wirelessly store your content in iCloud and automatically and wirelessly push it to all your devices. When anything changes on one of your devices, all of your devices are wirelessly updated almost instantly.
(...)
“iCloud keeps your important information and content up to date across all your devices".
(...)
The App Store™ and iBookstore℠ now download purchased iOS apps and books to all your devices
(...)
iCloud Backup automatically and securely backs up your iOS devices to iCloud
If you replace your iOS device, just enter your Apple ID and password during setup and iCloud restores your new device.
(...)
iCloud Storage seamlessly stores all documents created using iCloud Storage APIs, and automatically pushes them to all your devices
(...)
iCloud’s innovative Photo Stream service automatically uploads the photos you take or import on any of your devices and wirelessly pushes them to all your devices and computers
(...)
iCloud will store each photo in the cloud for 30 days, which is plenty of time to connect your devices to iCloud and automatically download the latest photos

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/06/06icloud.html


Apple is first and foremost a hardware company.
They make software in order to sell (profitable) hardware.
This is why OS X Lion is so inexpensive and iCloud even free:
To "lock in" customers into Apple's eco system.

guydude193
Jun 12, 2011, 08:50 AM
The feature is also listed here
http://www.apple.com/au/macosx/whats-new/features.html#internetrestore

That says "Recovery Mode" includes the browser. Nothing about locking down your Mac.

Also, in the article's picture, where the eff is a battery indicator?! :eek:

MartyF81
Jun 12, 2011, 08:52 AM
Is this perhaps the way we will install Lion with out a disc?

cube
Jun 12, 2011, 08:57 AM
Is this perhaps the way we will install Lion with out a disc?

How do you install this browser?

rhender
Jun 12, 2011, 09:02 AM
As a couple of others have mentioned, Apple is promoting this feature as part of Recovery Mode:

Built into Lion
OS X Lion includes a built-in restore partition, allowing you to repair or reinstall OS X without the need for discs.

Browse the web with Safari
Recovery mode now includes the Safari web browser, so you can check your email or browse the Apple Support site.

So if your system goes down, you can boot into recovery mode and still have web access.

That said, the potential uses as "Kiosk Mode", and help with finding a lost Mac are both intriguing.

*LTD*
Jun 12, 2011, 09:05 AM
You mean like ASUS ExpressGate, which has been available for years now?

What's ASUS got to do with OS X?

ASUS ExpressGate - whatever the hell it is - sounds like a Wintel feature. No sale.

No OS X, no sale.

kalsta
Jun 12, 2011, 09:06 AM
This was actually an advertised feature. It was mentioned as part of the "find my mac" feature to trick potential thieves into using the Internet whilst stopping them from gaining access to any personal files.

Right. I was about to say the same thing. The article writer obviously missed that.

cube
Jun 12, 2011, 09:07 AM
What's ASUS got to do with OS X?

ASUS ExpressGate - whatever the hell it is - sounds like a Wintel feature. No sale.

No OS X, no sale.

Read the OP.

xxBURT0Nxx
Jun 12, 2011, 09:13 AM
Is this perhaps the way we will install Lion with out a disc?

There will be a "recovery" partition put on the drive when you install Lion so that you can reinstall the OS at any time (as long as the drive is still working)

You also have the option of putting Lion on your own physical media (DVD-R, SD Card, USB thumb drive, external HDD, etc.)

This browser-only mode is reminiscent of Google's lightweight Chrome OS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome_OS) which is designed to offer the user a web-only based operating system.


I don't really agree with that, Safari doesn't have apps like chrome OS does to run in the browser. It's also not a stand alone OS for use on "netbooks" and it doesn't really even work in the same way pulling a lot of information from the cloud. It also doesn't have the same type of payment system that chrome os has for users to get the hardware/software/support for a monthly installment.

I can see some instances where this will be nice though. Friends who just want to hop on a website now don't need to be fully logged into my profile or the guest account. Also if the laptop is stolen I can see some people using this feature when they first use the stolen machine which will trigger the "find my mac" feature and hopefully help lead to the recovery of the machine.

roadbloc
Jun 12, 2011, 09:13 AM
And yeah, features usually become better when they make it into OS X or iOS. Another plus.

Spare your deluded waffle for elsewhere please. Claiming that just because a certain feature is now in an Apple product, it is much better, is utter nonsense. Not saying it can't be, and it has been in the past.;) But there has also been times when Apple's version of a certain feature has been trash.

lfc
Jun 12, 2011, 09:25 AM
That says "Recovery Mode" includes the browser. Nothing about locking down your Mac.

Also, in the article's picture, where the eff is a battery indicator?! :eek:

The feature this article is about, is the one I linked to. When you restart your Mac into "Browser only mode" your using recovery modes safari. That's what I've gathered anyway.

AriX
Jun 12, 2011, 09:36 AM
@MacRumors: The official name for this new operating system is now "OS X Lion" and NOT "Mac OS X Lion". Apple dropped the "Mac" in front of it.

Wow, that's extremely interesting. I had no idea. Even if Apple still uses Mac OS X Lion in some places, it's just another example of Apple trying to merge their product lines together and differentiate the Mac less.

ratzzo
Jun 12, 2011, 09:43 AM
It'll be a great feature if it saves up on battery life. Otherwise, what's the point? :confused:

Constable Odo
Jun 12, 2011, 09:46 AM
That would be a nice feature especially if using browser mode could extend battery life. That is something that I'm sure a lot of non-tech users would be happy with. I spend so much of the day browsing so why not have a browser only mode. I'd think consumers would love it for its simplicity as long as they can boot into full OSX mode whenever they need to.

bonemusik
Jun 12, 2011, 09:49 AM
@MacRumors: The official name for this new operating system is now "OS X Lion" and NOT "Mac OS X Lion". Apple dropped the "Mac" in front of it.

But on the main page it's just OS X Lion. http://www.apple.com/macosx/

Wow, that's extremely interesting. I had no idea. Even if Apple still uses Mac OS X Lion in some places, it's just another example of Apple trying to merge their product lines together and differentiate the Mac less.

The Apple website is the only place that "OS X Lion" is used. The press release, the About This Mac screen, the Login Screen, and even the listing in the Mac App Store ALL read "Mac OS X Lion".

macridah
Jun 12, 2011, 10:03 AM
Hahhaha - love it! So you, too, have experienced that "Ohhh shoot!" moment when the wife says "Honey... Can I just use your laptop for a minute..." :D

RTP.

:p Me, three. I hide my "files" quite well but always forget to clear my recent items menu right before I let my gf use my MacBook to check her email. I got caught a few times but when I ask what is she doing looking around my files in the first place, it's just get the evil eye.

Yaboze
Jun 12, 2011, 10:05 AM
I really like this idea. Very cool.

chrissud
Jun 12, 2011, 10:30 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16)

Finally, Wife Mode! Now when she wants to use my computer for a minute to surf, she won't accidentally mess up any of my important (porn) files.

This is a great idea. I work from my Macbook Air so have to always have a regularly changing password set, however it's also my personal computer and sometimes my girlfriend wants to quickly check something online. This is a good way for her to use the web without needing to remember a constantly changing password.

You can currently achieve the same thing by creating a guest account. (And you don't need to logout if you enable fast user switching in the menu bar.)

jmpnop
Jun 12, 2011, 10:38 AM
What's ASUS got to do with OS X?

ASUS ExpressGate - whatever the hell it is - sounds like a Wintel feature. No sale.

No OS X, no sale.

You're such a fanboy. I've used Asus boards in the past and I must say those features are quite good. Don't troll like this without knowing anything about it. Apple is not the only computer manufacturer in the world.

NinjaHERO
Jun 12, 2011, 10:40 AM
I'm just glad Apple isn't building browser only machines like google. Those things are basically the same price as PC laptops. Why would you pay the same for less? Plus SSDs boot up so fast, I don't need a trimmed down machine.

Eric S.
Jun 12, 2011, 10:40 AM
@MacRumors: The official name for this new operating system is now "OS X Lion" and NOT "Mac OS X Lion". Apple dropped the "Mac" in front of it.

They also dropped the Mac from OS X Snow Leopard. Let's face it, "Mac" isn't figuring too much in Apple's calculations lately.

kiljoy616
Jun 12, 2011, 10:48 AM
New macbook air and lion life is good. I do like this feature great for the kids without having to open up Guest. Apple your just to good to me. :)

Yamcha
Jun 12, 2011, 10:51 AM
Very impressive, I've actually seen this implementation with PC motherboards, its been around for a long while, but its good to see Apple has done the same, sometimes all you need to do is use the internet for a quick few minutes..

kiljoy616
Jun 12, 2011, 10:55 AM
It is not on the login screen, but the lock screen.

Set a password, wait for your computer to lock and the option will be on the screen where it asks for your password.

So its more for allowing you to quickly look something up without having to log in every time. Makes sense.

kiljoy616
Jun 12, 2011, 10:56 AM
Very impressive, I've actually seen this implementation with PC motherboards, its been around for a long while, but its good to see Apple has done the same, sometimes all you need to do is use the internet for a quick few minutes..

Some pc do this but not very well done. Have not seen it take off on the PC side. Would like to see this even more.

Yamcha
Jun 12, 2011, 10:58 AM
Some pc did do this but not very well done. Have not seen it take off on the PC side. Would like to see this even more. :rolleyes:

Yeah it hasn't really taken off, but the ability to browse the web without booting into a operating system has been around for quite a while.. I do like Apple's implementation better though, looks a lot nicer..

Gonky
Jun 12, 2011, 11:21 AM
Can somebody with this feature upload a short video to Youtube, please? :)

ChromeAce
Jun 12, 2011, 11:25 AM
The "restart to browser" feature was clearly mentioned in the keynote as a security feature, so the Mac can log on to the Internet and send its location. This is not a new discovery.

42streetsdown
Jun 12, 2011, 11:27 AM
i thought this was to facilitate the finding of a lost machine through Find My Mac

TheSideshow
Jun 12, 2011, 11:32 AM
This will come in handy about as often as the browser mode for my HP came in handy. Never.

bretm
Jun 12, 2011, 12:04 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16)

Finally, Wife Mode! Now when she wants to use my computer for a minute to surf, she won't accidentally mess up any of my important (porn) files.

So that would be imPORNtant files, then? :)

bretm
Jun 12, 2011, 12:07 PM
I'm just glad Apple isn't building browser only machines like google. Those things are basically the same price as PC laptops. Why would you pay the same for less? Plus SSDs boot up so fast, I don't need a trimmed down machine.

Why are people booting up machines anyway? On mac or pc. Done working? Close laptop. Want to work? Open laptop. Even a crappy machine is ready to work in a matter of seconds. Just make sure you have a password set when waking from sleep.

bretm
Jun 12, 2011, 12:09 PM
Hahhaha - love it! So you, too, have experienced that "Ohhh shoot!" moment when the wife says "Honey... Can I just use your laptop for a minute..." :D

RTP.

I let the wife and kids take my old iphone 1st gen on a trip with them. Loaded up with diego and dora vids. It's basically an itouch now. I hadn't messed with it in a year or so. Charged it up and sent them on their way. A few days later the wife calls... "what the heck have you been looking at on this thing?" Doh!

*LTD*
Jun 12, 2011, 12:12 PM
You're such a fanboy. I've used Asus boards in the past and I must say those features are quite good. Don't troll like this without knowing anything about it. Apple is not the only computer manufacturer in the world.

There are duplicate features everywhere - various implementations. It's the ones from Apple that matter in this case.

Don't really care if Asus did something like this or if they already had it. If all I wanted was straight features implemented in any old upside down fashion I'd be using Windows XP on a netbook. Seems this feature hasn't taken off on PCs. Big surprise.

Now back to Apple news.

Herdfan
Jun 12, 2011, 12:12 PM
Ooooooo! This is going to be a great way to piss of my sister-in-law!

Of course this is the same S-I-L that took it upon herself to upgrade my wife's old Windows XP computer to SP3 which removed the address bar in the taskbar. The same address bar my wife used daily and the sole reason I had not updated her computer to SP3.

And piss of my M-I-L, the same one who used to clear games stats on games my wife was playing.

This is gonna be GREAT!

ThisIsNotMe
Jun 12, 2011, 12:41 PM
Also if a criminal boots to Safari and goes onto the internet then you can find your mac.

carldavidguta
Jun 12, 2011, 01:00 PM
I'm currently running SL and have files and programs locally, if I decide to upgrade to Lion. 1, can I choose to keep all my files and just "upgrade" the OS or do I need to restore everything from Time Machine? 2, can I choose to wipe all the data and start from a clean slate? :confused: What are the options? :)

42streetsdown
Jun 12, 2011, 02:23 PM
Confirmed. Grab the iCloud installer from the MDC — or other sources ;) — and install it on the Lion DP4 partition. Restart in Safari appears in lock screen.

Crucial detail left out by the author.

it looks like you have have added an iCloud account as well before this becomes active.

jonnysods
Jun 12, 2011, 02:33 PM
This is cool. But with with Resume, if you restart out of this how to you get back to your normal user account?

Is this a hold down the Option key type feature?

scrapple
Jun 12, 2011, 03:14 PM
kinda pointless..

why not just log in????

also, if your gonna let people use your laptop.... just make them their own account...

JoeG4
Jun 12, 2011, 03:57 PM
I wonder how long it'll take for someone to security breach that mode in such a way they gain access to your stuff.

My guess is.. NOT LONG.

MacFly123
Jun 12, 2011, 04:56 PM
This is cool but I dunno if I'd ever use it.

P.S. I hope Apple keeps things consistent between Lion and iOS 5. For example, Apple needs to update Lion to use round on/off switches now like iOS 5 instead of the square ones like in Time Machine preferences etc.

mrfoof82
Jun 12, 2011, 06:46 PM
This is a part of 'Find my Mac'. This is not to compete with ChromeOS/Chromebooks.

In order to use this you need to install iCloud and enable 'Find my Mac' (this allows you to locate and wipe your Mac should it be stolen). The guest account is then repurposed and will only reboot to the recorvery partition (which is also new in Lion) and only allow guests to open up Safari and connect to WLAN networks. As soon as they quit Safari the computer shuts down.

If you have secured your Mac with a password, logging into the guest account is the only thing thieves can do. iCloud cleverly uses this to goad thieves into going online and broadcasting their position as well as allowing for remote wipes – it even displays instructions for how to connect to WLAN networks when it boots up – while still not allowing them to access any of your files.

This is not supposed to compete with Chrome OS. It doesn't have a password manager and you can't download anything. It also won't remember anything after a reboot.

By the way, you can now also start up Safari when booting into the recovery partition normally. That's also new and it's just useful but nothing else.

robin24
Jun 12, 2011, 07:07 PM
Wonder if data that is generated when surfing with Safari will be saved in RAM only and then discarded once the machine restarts. But actually... for those of you who like to be safe, this is nothing but Porn Mode 2.0! :-)

skinned66
Jun 12, 2011, 07:28 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Safari, but I can see how this would be useful. Definitely more than the "$4000 USB disk" mode my Mac Pro has.

lewis82
Jun 12, 2011, 08:41 PM
Yes, but, will Safari be snappier in this mode :p

They also dropped the Mac from OS X Snow Leopard. Let's face it, "Mac" isn't figuring too much in Apple's calculations lately.

289307

Why are people booting up machines anyway? On mac or pc. Done working? Close laptop. Want to work? Open laptop. Even a crappy machine is ready to work in a matter of seconds. Just make sure you have a password set when waking from sleep.

-Saves electricity

-Booting is not so long (~30s), so it's not a problem.

-RAM is cleared each time, which means more of it is free (no swap problems).

-I'm just used to it.

JoeG4
Jun 12, 2011, 09:08 PM
Porn browsing mode ftw, but still, I don't think it's as secure as you're being lead to believe.

Besides, with a laptop you're up a river regardless. Without an EFI password, the thief that has your laptop will install a fresh copy of OS X on it before it has a chance to be found. With an EFI password, it is still very easy to get rid of the password and reinstall the OS. Easy. Piece of cake.

This would be great for helping an owner locate their LOST mac, but it sounds too complicated and a bit too misleading to actually be helpful. Ideally, the Mac would ping out and try to beam up its location when you wake it.

res1233
Jun 12, 2011, 09:30 PM
Spare your deluded waffle for elsewhere please. Claiming that just because a certain feature is now in an Apple product, it is much better, is utter nonsense. Not saying it can't be, and it has been in the past.;) But there has also been times when Apple's version of a certain feature has been trash.

This is hyperbole, right? He said that the features generally "become" better over time once they're introduced to Apple's OSes, which isn't wrong. Doesn't mean other competitors don't improve their own features too, but Apple often makes fairly nice improvements over time, while some competitors just add unneeded bulk. There is a fairly fine line between the two.

marty177
Jun 12, 2011, 09:32 PM
Still have a separate search box ... idiots!

MorphingDragon
Jun 12, 2011, 10:20 PM
You mean like ASUS ExpressGate, which has been available for years now?

ExpressGate is just rebranded SplashTop, which was available years before. SplashTop is just a Linux Live OS, which was available decades ago.

How far do we want to go? :D

caspersoong
Jun 13, 2011, 02:29 AM
This is really awesome. I think it would be better if they let users press a button near startup to immediately start into this mode which would be faster if you only want to check something on the internet.

mijail
Jun 13, 2011, 02:34 AM
-Saves electricity

Would be interesting to calculate the energy cost incurred while sleeping vs. the energy cost needed for the flurry of activity while booting and going back to a productive state (open apps, docs, etc)

If you just want to save energy, hibernation surely is a better option than a full shutdown and reboot. And even then, would be interesting to compare the energy used in that whole RAM dump and read to disk vs. sleeping for x hours.

And I will also be interested in the comparison between hibernation and Lion's type of reboot...

-Booting is not so long (~30s), so it's not a problem.


I don't know about you, but after booting, I personally still need to open apps, docs, and place everything as it should. Sleeping the computer is unquestionably a faster way to jump right back to a productive state.

-RAM is cleared each time, which means more of it is free (no swap problems).

Again, quite a partial way to see it. I don't want RAM to be cleared, I want it to be working hard! That's why I paid for it, after all ;P


-I'm just used to it.

I prefer to find what I'm doing wrong, or could do better ... and change it.

silentnite
Jun 13, 2011, 07:45 AM
I'm loving all the new features that Lion has to offer. However, my concern is not being able to run certain vendor software and some of my midi musical equipment... M-audio, native instruments etc. under this new upgrade. Thinking about doing a dual install of O.S. Snow Leopard/Lion, wondering does anyone have the same idea.:confused:

angrylawyer
Jun 13, 2011, 08:29 AM
This will come in handy about as often as the browser mode for my HP came in handy. Never.

As some others have pointed out though, I wonder how much it will improve battery life. If you're at an airport and just trying to read some news, it would be nice to not waste all your battery just so you can browse reddit.

wirelessness
Jun 13, 2011, 01:52 PM
So it's not clear to me if Browser Plug-ins will be available in this mode or not? If you had previously installed plug-ins will they be available in this mode? It seems clear that you would not be able to install any new plug-ins if wanted to.

Shasterball
Jun 14, 2011, 05:06 AM
I'm actually really excited about this. I figure I can take my 5 year old MBP, wipe it, install Lion and just load in it Safari mode. Then I can have it attached to my TV. This way, I can watch Hulu, etc... right off it and Safari mode means the older chip will still be able to handle video smoothly. Hopefully this works out! :)

kocoman
Jul 2, 2011, 11:42 PM
Has anyone got this to work in the GM version?

sissified84
Jul 20, 2011, 02:21 PM
I have Lion installed... I don't see this feature anywhere. People have mentioned needing iCloud - is that a requirement for it to work? How do I get this to work? Does it yet?

Thanks!