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blewyn
Jun 13, 2011, 08:34 AM
How is iCloud going to handle 'bootleg' recordings, or one-off live performances recorded from the radio etc ? Will it allow them to be uploaded ? If so, how will a consistent naming convention be achieved for other users to match ? If not, how will uploaded content be policed ?



NightStorm
Jun 13, 2011, 10:19 AM
How is iCloud going to handle 'bootleg' recordings, or one-off live performances recorded from the radio etc ? Will it allow them to be uploaded ? If so, how will a consistent naming convention be achieved for other users to match ? If not, how will uploaded content be policed ?

This would simply be uploaded to your account just like any other non-matched audio content would and count against your free 5GB total.

Julien
Jun 13, 2011, 12:23 PM
This would simply be uploaded to your account just like any other non-matched audio content would and count against your free 5GB total.

Don't believe that the 5GB total applies to music.;)

roblawton
Jun 13, 2011, 12:24 PM
This would simply be uploaded to your account just like any other non-matched audio content would and count against your free 5GB total.

I'm pretty sure Steve said that music wouldn't count towards your 5GB total... Lemme double check.

EDIT: 5GB doesn't count for purchased music, apps and books.

So there you go, if you've got a lot of... Rare recordings that you've ripped... You may have to pay for extra storage...

blewyn
Jun 13, 2011, 01:43 PM
I don't have many, but the ones I do have are gems :-)

Bear
Jun 13, 2011, 02:15 PM
How is iCloud going to handle 'bootleg' recordings, or one-off live performances recorded from the radio etc ? Will it allow them to be uploaded ? If so, how will a consistent naming convention be achieved for other users to match ? If not, how will uploaded content be policed ?
If it's not matched, you will have the option to upload it under iTunes Match.
I suspect that user uploaded songs won't get matched by other users. So there is no need to worry about a naming convention. Remember they are matching what you have on the computer to the iTunes Store catalog.
As I've stated elsewhere, I think that's part of why Apple paid money to the big record labels to get the contracts signed.
What I do hope you have the option of is saying that the store got a match wrong. Imagine a song by a group winding up unchanged on 2 or 3 albums - I would want it showing as part of the correct album.

81Tiger04
Jun 16, 2011, 10:28 AM
I have a bunch of Phish live recordings that obviously arenít going to be on iTunes. Just so that I am clear on things, these WILL or WILL not count towards my free 5GB?

thunderbunny
Jun 16, 2011, 02:14 PM
It was clearly stated that music doesn't count towards the 5Gb which is for documents. You will need to pay for iTunes Match though to do this.

bohbot16
Jun 16, 2011, 02:42 PM
I have a bunch of Phish live recordings that obviously arenít going to be on iTunes. Just so that I am clear on things, these WILL or WILL not count towards my free 5GB?

It won't count toward your 5GB, but you will need to pay $24.99/year for iTunes Match.

bohbot16
Jun 16, 2011, 02:44 PM
How is iCloud going to handle 'bootleg' recordings, or one-off live performances recorded from the radio etc ? Will it allow them to be uploaded ? If so, how will a consistent naming convention be achieved for other users to match ? If not, how will uploaded content be policed ?

Apple will upload your files and will likely use data de-duplification within their data center to save on space for identical files that were uploaded.

NightStorm
Jun 16, 2011, 05:14 PM
It was clearly stated that music doesn't count towards the 5Gb which is for documents. You will need to pay for iTunes Match though to do this.

Thats only true for songs that are also available in the iTunes store. Bootlegs aren't in there, so it counts against your free 5GB.

Julien
Jun 16, 2011, 06:41 PM
Thats only true for songs that are also available in the iTunes store. Bootlegs aren't in there, so it counts against your free 5GB.

Could you point to where Steve said that. I heard him to say that matched/uploaded songs DON'T count and that only your backup data counted towards the 5GB.

Fresh Tendrils
Jun 25, 2011, 12:29 AM
Originally I thought no, but it does say on the itunes match section on the apple page that "All you have to upload is what iTunes can’t match". So maybe. I'm still kinda skeptical though, since with all the different bootlegs out there it would use up a lot of resources. And don't forget that each concert may have multiple recordings, and even the same recording may have tracks spliced at different points, so its not as simple as them matching your bootleg to a previous copy that was uploaded.

Julien
Jun 25, 2011, 07:01 AM
Originally I thought no, but it does say on the itunes match section on the apple page that "All you have to upload is what iTunes canít match". So maybe. I'm still kinda skeptical though, since with all the different bootlegs out there it would use up a lot of resources. And don't forget that each concert may have multiple recordings, and even the same recording may have tracks spliced at different points, so its not as simple as them matching your bootleg to a previous copy that was uploaded.

On a simular note: I have lots of classical music and there can be 100' or 1000's of recorded versions of a certain work. How will iCloud treat my classical? Match with a different recording of the same work of upload all versions.

Bear
Jun 25, 2011, 08:29 AM
On a simular note: I have lots of classical music and there can be 100' or 1000's of recorded versions of a certain work. How will iCloud treat my classical? Match with a different recording of the same work of upload all versions.Heck that even applies to other music to a lesser extent. I am hoping that when there are possible conflicts, it lets you manually resolve which album a track is part of. I don't buy "best of" CDs and don't want what was one album listed as part of 4 different "best of" compilations.

Fresh Tendrils
Jun 25, 2011, 08:36 AM
On a simular note: I have lots of classical music and there can be 100' or 1000's of recorded versions of a certain work. How will iCloud treat my classical? Match with a different recording of the same work of upload all versions.


Exactly. This is why I'm skeptical that non-itunes store tracks won't count towards your 5GB allowance. There will be so many unique recordings of the same concert or classical piece that there are really only 2 options. 1) Upload all versions, which will use up a lot of apples storage, or 2) match your non-itunes store recording to a recording of the same concert or classical piece that someone else has already uploaded. In which case a lot of people will be getting recordings from a source different from what they have/want. This is why I really think that once itunes match launches we'll find that non-itunes store music counts towards your 5GB.

The other potential problem I see with itunes match that will prevent me from signing up for it on day one, is track tagging. itunes store tagging is pretty basic and CDDB is often awful, so I spend that extra couple of minutes when I'm importing a cd putting on the right genre, artist, sort artist, etc. Presumably, itunes match won't copy my tags to the files that are downloaded, so my library will become a total mess, and smart playlists will be stuffed. I'm just gonna hold off on signing up for that feature for a while and see happens to everyone else ;)

Bear
Jun 25, 2011, 11:07 AM
is why I really think that once itunes match launches we'll find that non-itunes store music counts towards your 5GB.Well iTunes Match will be $25 a year. That might include storage for the uploaded tracks.

Fresh Tendrils
Jun 25, 2011, 08:15 PM
Well iTunes Match will be $25 a year. That might include storage for the uploaded tracks.

Good point, maybe that will be enough to cover the additional storage. But my guess is that a lot of that money will go into the music labels pockets. They wouldn't have agreed to this unless they thought that they would make loads of money from it. I hope I'm wrong. I hope you can upload bootlegs. It would be very useful if you could.

It's an interesting question from a legal perspective as well, since some bands are very encouraging of bootleg recording/sharing, and some are against it. So I'm not sure how Apple will manage that problem :confused: Unfortunately, the one thing we know about Apple is that if someone thinks that they have even the slightest chance of a claim against them, they sue. :(

On a side note, I wish that more bands sold their bootlegs on itunes. A lot of big bands now have official bootleg programs, but I've only ever seen a handful of them on itunes. I doubt we'll see it anytime soon though, since they won't want to give up a cut to apple [even if they would be reaching a larger audience by doing so].

repete7
Jun 30, 2011, 10:11 AM
On a simular note: I have lots of classical music and there can be 100' or 1000's of recorded versions of a certain work. How will iCloud treat my classical? Match with a different recording of the same work of upload all versions.

I'm wondering about that too. Will it be possible to "opt out" of iTunes Match for some tracks? After noticing how badly iTunes matches classical music when downloading album artwork, I really don't want any of my classical music even scanned.

Julien
Jun 30, 2011, 10:23 AM
I'm wondering about that too. Will it be possible to "opt out" of iTunes Match for some tracks? After noticing how badly iTunes matches classical music when downloading album artwork, I really don't want any of my classical music even scanned.

Not sure if you can selectively "opt out" but why? You are paying $25 so what difference does it make if it gets them wrong if you are not expecting them to be correct. So long as you don't download the "wrong" version and overwrite your correct version what's the harm in letting iCould try and match or upload?


I bet that iCloud will add a confirmation on questionable music so you can say "Not the Correct Match" (or whatever) forcing an upload.

soco
Jun 30, 2011, 10:26 AM
I think this has been discussed elsewhere, but I'm 99% sure your non-iTunes Matched music will not be stored in iCloud.

It's a matter of syncing versus storage. If it's iTunes Matched, iCloud will allow you to re-download it to all of your iCloud devices, but if it isn't Matched, it's up to you to manage that library on your own, just like we do now.

Julien
Jun 30, 2011, 11:39 AM
I think this has been discussed elsewhere, but I'm 99% sure your non-iTunes Matched music will not be stored in iCloud...
99% sure even though Steve Jobs himself said your music would be uploaded (and spent a LOOONG time talking about this feature) if there was no iTunes match. Maybe you know something Steve Jobs doesn't.:D

soco
Jun 30, 2011, 11:43 AM
99% sure even though Steve Jobs himself said your music would be uploaded (and spent a LOOONG time talking about this feature) if there was no iTunes match. Maybe you know something Steve Jobs doesn't.:D

I'd like to see/hear where he specifically said uploaded to iCloud. My understanding is that once iTunes Matched, your music just becomes recognized by iTunes as having been purchased on iTunes. Therefore, like any other music purchased on iTunes, it's re-downloadable, not stored.

Julien
Jun 30, 2011, 11:53 AM
I'd like to see/hear where he specifically said uploaded to iCloud. My understanding is that once iTunes Matched, your music just becomes recognized by iTunes as having been purchased on iTunes. Therefore, like any other music purchased on iTunes, it's re-downloadable, not stored.

Here (http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/11piubpwiqubf06/event/) and go to 113 to 115 minites and lesten to Steve Jobs say it.:D