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MacRumors
Jun 15, 2011, 04:50 PM
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Apple seems to be putting the final touches on OS X Lion which is set to launch in July. They have pushed out a new software update for developers who are running the Developer Preview 4 that was released at WWDC.

There's no word on what has changed between versions. OS X Lion will be launching sometime in July for $29.99 via the Mac App Store.

Article Link: Apple Releases New OS X Lion Software Update for DP4 (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/15/apple-releases-new-os-x-lion-software-update-for-dp4/)



Mac-Rumours
Jun 15, 2011, 04:52 PM
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Still no Rosetta?

JackieTreehorn
Jun 15, 2011, 04:52 PM
Let's install it and see where it ends :D

bushido
Jun 15, 2011, 04:53 PM
just installed it, we have a new login screen and i think i heard new UI sounds but i might be wrong.

Stuipdboy1000
Jun 15, 2011, 04:53 PM
Slowly creeping towards release! :D

Cougarcat
Jun 15, 2011, 04:54 PM
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Still no Rosetta?

It's impossible for Rosetta to be added back at this point. All the system files are intel-only.

richardsim7
Jun 15, 2011, 04:54 PM
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Still no Rosetta?

What happens if you try and install it?

just installed it, we have a new login screen and i think i heard new UI sounds but i might be wrong.

Sweet!

HelveticaNeue
Jun 15, 2011, 04:56 PM
just installed it, we have a new login screen and i think i heard new UI sounds but i might be wrong.

Is it the grey linen one they showed during the keynote at WWDC?

fyrefly
Jun 15, 2011, 04:56 PM
just installed it, we have a new login screen and i think i heard new UI sounds but i might be wrong.

Downloading now.

656MB for just a new Login screen? ;)

bushido
Jun 15, 2011, 04:58 PM
Is it the grey linen one they showed during the keynote at WWDC?

yep indeed, still that weird round picture tho :eek:

Downloading now.

656MB for just a new Login screen? ;)

mine is over 996 MB?

ck2875
Jun 15, 2011, 04:59 PM
656MB for just a new Login screen? ;)

Queue Apple Retina Cinema Display HD Rumors

kk1ro
Jun 15, 2011, 04:59 PM
Is it still stuck on OpenGL 2.1 or are the rumors (OpenGL 3.2 support) true?

superericla
Jun 15, 2011, 04:59 PM
For me it's 994.4MB. Pretty large update, I wonder what all has changed.

superericla
Jun 15, 2011, 05:00 PM
Is it still stuck on OpenGL 2.1 or are the rumors (OpenGL 3.2 support) true?

Lion has had OpenGL 3.2 support for quite a while now. It's just in a forward context OpenGL.

wikus
Jun 15, 2011, 05:05 PM
Screenshots of changes?

swingerofbirch
Jun 15, 2011, 05:08 PM
In SL, if you open a folder in the Finder it will zoom open and zoom close.

In Lion, are there any animations more generally for windows, e.g., opening and closing a Safari window?

Bonch
Jun 15, 2011, 05:09 PM
I'm waiting for Bobcat.

Phil A.
Jun 15, 2011, 05:09 PM
I wish Mac Rumors had held off for a bit before posting this news item: my download has gone from 15 minutes remaining 1/2 hour ago to 2 hours now ;)

Cougarcat
Jun 15, 2011, 05:10 PM
In SL, if you open a folder in the Finder it will zoom open and zoom close.

In Lion, are there any animations more generally for windows, e.g., opening and closing a Safari window?

Yes, windows, including dialogues, have a "zoom" open animation. Dialogues have an animation when you close them as well.

celticpride678
Jun 15, 2011, 05:10 PM
Coverage of changes here: http://itsalltech.com/2011/06/15/apple-releases-mac-os-x-lion-developer-preview-4-update/#

BlackLight
Jun 15, 2011, 05:11 PM
wow mine says 3 hrs..:mad:

fyrefly
Jun 15, 2011, 05:11 PM
Screenshots of changes?

Had to take it with my iPhone camera - but after the grey Apple screen with the spinning gear, the screen now sits on an indented Apple logo with the dark grey linen BG before your desktop loads.

NightFox
Jun 15, 2011, 05:11 PM
Downloading now.

656MB for just a new Login screen? ;)

They're obviously going to release retina display Macs soon ;)

I think this is going to be one of those "where did my download allowance go?" months.

Queue Apple Retina Cinema Display HD Rumors

Damn! You beat me to it!

INeedAMacBook
Jun 15, 2011, 05:13 PM
They're obviously going to release retina display Macs soon ;)

Think I'm going to sit tight for a retina 27-inch iMac :P

bushido
Jun 15, 2011, 05:14 PM
bit ******, cuz I'm already in bed lol but anyway

http://i56.tinypic.com/25tke3r.jpg

*LTD*
Jun 15, 2011, 05:17 PM
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Still no Rosetta?

Let's let go of it. It was cool when it was actually necessary. Like 5 years ago.

Rosetta is done. Gone. You will never see it.

Cougarcat
Jun 15, 2011, 05:17 PM
never noticed it before but has the scroll bar been white before on dark websites?

Yep.

JackieTreehorn
Jun 15, 2011, 05:17 PM
Build number is now 11A494A.

New logon windows looks sweet, too. Hopefully, Mail won't crash that often in this new updated Lion.

macnisse
Jun 15, 2011, 05:18 PM
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Coverage of changes here: http://itsalltech.com/2011/06/15/apple-releases-mac-os-x-lion-developer-preview-4-update/#

Thanks!

antmarobel
Jun 15, 2011, 05:22 PM
I don't believe!!! 15MB and it will take 2 hours to complete!!!:mad:

bushido
Jun 15, 2011, 05:23 PM
I don't believe!!! 15MB and it will take 2 hours to complete!!!:mad:

phew looks like i was lucky, finished it after 2 minutes

d4rk
Jun 15, 2011, 05:24 PM
Build number is now 11A494A.

New logon windows looks sweet, too. Hopefully, Mail won't crash that often in this new updated Lion.

If that's the ONLY thing that they fixed I'd be happy. Mail 5.0 is too beautiful and useful to crash all the time.

bushido
Jun 15, 2011, 05:26 PM
mission control seems to me smoother, it opens and closes so fast i cant even look lol (same with launchpad)

pjhamill
Jun 15, 2011, 05:26 PM
"There is a new animation when switching windows into and out of full-screen mode"

zorinlynx
Jun 15, 2011, 05:27 PM
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Still no Rosetta?

I'm so mixed on this.

Part of me admires Windows backwards compatibility; you can still launch windows app from the mid-90s on Windows 7 and they mostly work fine. That's kinda neat.

The other part thinks it's a good idea to let go of the old so it doesn't become a huge pile of bloat.

We've had five years now to find new tools to replace our old PowerPC only apps. Move on, people. I stopped running Power PC apps almost as soon as the intel switch happened, simply because they always felt slower no matter how simple they were!

superericla
Jun 15, 2011, 05:28 PM
Using Mail with iCloud email seems to be a lot quicker and more reliable so far.

Applepi
Jun 15, 2011, 05:30 PM
Downloading now :D 656MB and almost done after 10 minutes, woot!

kristoffers4
Jun 15, 2011, 05:31 PM
about 2 hours left here....

bushido
Jun 15, 2011, 05:31 PM
great new bug already: mission control is being covered up by random windows and i cant chose anything

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/605/bildschirmfoto20110616u.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/bildschirmfoto20110616u.png/)

antmarobel
Jun 15, 2011, 05:31 PM
Downloading now :D 656MB and almost done after 10 minutes, woot!

:mad:

noahtk
Jun 15, 2011, 05:32 PM
I can't wait for the release!! They need to promote a release date already!! :cool::apple:

celticpride678
Jun 15, 2011, 05:34 PM
great new bug already: mission control is being covered up by random windows and i cant chose anything

Image (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/bildschirmfoto20110616u.png/)

That bug's been there since day 1 with Lion. Don't see it being fixed.

antmarobel
Jun 15, 2011, 05:34 PM
great new bug already: mission control is being covered up by random windows and i cant chose anything

Image (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/bildschirmfoto20110616u.png/)

...I don't believe...:(

bushido
Jun 15, 2011, 05:35 PM
That bug's been there since day 1 with Lion. Don't see it being fixed.

i never had this one before, i'm late to the bug party it seems ^^

edit: and iTunes 10.5 beta and Safari still hate each other in fullscreen -.-

HelveticaNeue
Jun 15, 2011, 05:35 PM
Here's a pic of the new login screen which was shown during the keynote in Lion.

NightFox
Jun 15, 2011, 05:37 PM
great new bug already: mission control is being covered up by random windows and i cant chose anything

Image (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/854/bildschirmfoto20110616u.png/)

Just do a 13-finger combined swipe and pinch motion and it should clear

Cynicalone
Jun 15, 2011, 05:37 PM
Very quick update 656MB took about a minute to download and about 10 to finish installing.

It seems to have reset Launchpad again.

And the MobileMe preference pane will no longer open.

EDIT: It also uninstalled iCloud.

pjhamill
Jun 15, 2011, 05:39 PM
Very quick update 656MB took about a minute to download and about 10 to finish installing.

It seems to have reset Launchpad again.

And the MobileMe preference pane will no longer open.

Yeah, my launchpad has also been reset.

antmarobel
Jun 15, 2011, 05:39 PM
That bug's been there since day 1 with Lion. Don't see it being fixed.

Well, I never had that bug...so...:D

Bokito
Jun 15, 2011, 05:41 PM
Isn't that Mission Control bug caused by a graphics card memory corruption bug that's around since Snow Leopard? The bug mostly shows up when switching from full screen to windowed or vise versa. I don't have Lion here so I can't test it myself, but the bug might be in the graphics card driver as not everybody seems to be affected by it. I'm using an early '08 2.4 GHz MBP here with nVidia 8600m GT.

bushido
Jun 15, 2011, 05:43 PM
Isn't that Mission Control bug caused by a graphics card memory corruption bug that's around since Snow Leopard? The bug mostly shows up when switching from full screen to windowed or vise versa. I don't have Lion here so I can't test it myself, but the bug might be in the graphics card driver as not everybody seems to be affected by it. I'm using an early '08 2.4 GHz MBP here with nVidia 8600m GT.

i noticed the bug always shows up once i start to use the iTunes 10.5 beta and Safari both in fullscreenmode. one of them suddenly turns into a gray window (the same kind as the boot screen color) and it brings me back to the first desktop. very annoying

pjhamill
Jun 15, 2011, 05:45 PM
Let me just add this, I really love Lion, every bit of the OS has had something fiddled with, it's a joy to use and the experience is a lot better than Snow Leopard. Once you use Lion it's hard to go back to Snow Leopard. Just my opinion.

superericla
Jun 15, 2011, 05:49 PM
I'm glad I did the update quickly, 994.4 MB and it only took 7 minutes.

mbgroen
Jun 15, 2011, 05:51 PM
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Still no Rosetta?


No Classic either? :-)

odedia
Jun 15, 2011, 05:52 PM
It fixed the annoying graphics glitches I had at startup. All is smooth now.

Plus the new UI login screen looks a lot better.

edmartin
Jun 15, 2011, 05:53 PM
Well, yes, Launchpad does seem to get reset with the update BUT it also seems to be fixed. I've rebooted multiple times and my custom Launchpad layout remains (it used to reset with every reboot) and I have yet to seem the nasty bug with disappearing Launchpad icons.

odedia
Jun 15, 2011, 05:56 PM
They replaced the "Send Mail" envelope icon with an actual button saying "Send" and another one saying "Cancel". I guess people got confused :).

Oppie1
Jun 15, 2011, 05:58 PM
They get multiple-user remote desktop working yet?

*LTD*
Jun 15, 2011, 06:00 PM
They replaced the "Send Mail" envelope icon with an actual button saying "Send" and another one saying "Cancel". I guess people got confused :).

But will they fix the complete cluster**** that is the sidebar?

MobileMe account + Gmail account = total mess

justinfreid
Jun 15, 2011, 06:02 PM
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And it's 2011 and it's time to leave PowerPC development to Microsoft's Xbox team.
Dual boot to Snow Leopard is still an option.

iBug2
Jun 15, 2011, 06:03 PM
At least two of the bugs I reported are fixed, 3 of them still not.

To be honest the one thing which is still far from being release candidate is Webkit2 at the moment.

alfagta
Jun 15, 2011, 06:04 PM
They replaced the "Send Mail" envelope icon with an actual button saying "Send" and another one saying "Cancel". I guess people got confused :).

Screen PLZ

spencers
Jun 15, 2011, 06:04 PM
Sweet. Updating now.

994.4 MB... Interesting

acslater017
Jun 15, 2011, 06:04 PM
Let me just add this, I really love Lion, every bit of the OS has had something fiddled with, it's a joy to use and the experience is a lot better than Snow Leopard. Once you use Lion it's hard to go back to Snow Leopard. Just my opinion.

Thanks for the positive words - sometimes it seems like all I hear is whining about Lion. I'm not a developer, but from what I've seen it looks great.

People say that it doesn't do anything big, but for goodness sake it rethinks the whole concept file saving and to the end user there's basically no differentiation between "open" and "closed" apps...New app downloading and app-launching UI ...new window management that merges Expose with Spaces, Dashboard, and Fullscreen (not maximized) apps...USEFUL not gimmicky multitouch gestures...Wireless file sharing...new Finder views...security improvements...iCloud integration...new Mail, iCal, & Address Book...and countless little UI tweaks and usability improvements.

I mean, aren't these the most common computing tasks that are being reconsidered and polished? For $30...I suppose I'll reserve final judgement til I get my hands on it myself, but so far I'm a happy (future) customer...

rick snagwell
Jun 15, 2011, 06:04 PM
its already up in torrents...way quicker d/l.

JanFredrikB
Jun 15, 2011, 06:05 PM
I'm in DP3 and there's even no update to DP4 in Software Update :confused:

james948
Jun 15, 2011, 06:06 PM
i'm not seeing this update. i'm on dp4.

*LTD*
Jun 15, 2011, 06:06 PM
Some small refinements I'm noticing so far. Lion is shaping up nicely.

I'm really getting used to the new Mission Control + per application Exposé workflow as well. Good stuff.

Meriana
Jun 15, 2011, 06:06 PM
looks very finished for me already, i guess the RC is not far away now. :)


@JanFredrikB: DP4 is a AppStore download. You can get a code in your dev account.

superericla
Jun 15, 2011, 06:06 PM
I'm in DP3 and there's even no update to DP4 in Software Update :confused:

You have to update to DP 4 through the App Store/developer website.

celticpride678
Jun 15, 2011, 06:08 PM
Screen PLZ

I'm still seeing the envelope button...

Is making a note in Mail new in this build?

JanFredrikB
Jun 15, 2011, 06:08 PM
Ah, I see. Will I lose all the files (on the Lion-partition) if I install it?

james948
Jun 15, 2011, 06:09 PM
but if you're on dp4 it should appear right? I'm getting nothing in software update.
I'm on build 11A459e

any ideas?

fyrefly
Jun 15, 2011, 06:09 PM
They replaced the "Send Mail" envelope icon with an actual button saying "Send" and another one saying "Cancel". I guess people got confused :).

Not for me - Mail updated it's mailboxes and stuff, but I still have the folded paper airplane button.

JanFredrikB
Jun 15, 2011, 06:09 PM
I'm still seeing the envelope button...

Is making a note in Mail new in this build?

No, I can do that in DP3.

celticpride678
Jun 15, 2011, 06:10 PM
Ah, I see. Will I lose all the files (on the Lion-partition) if I install it?

Nope.

but if you're on dp4 it should appear right? I'm getting nothing in software update.
I'm on build 11A459e

any ideas?

Hasn't rolled out everywhere yet? Sure you're on DP 4?

james948
Jun 15, 2011, 06:12 PM
Nope.



Hasn't rolled out everywhere yet? Sure you're on DP 4?

I think so. How do I check?
I'm on build 11A459e

daneoni
Jun 15, 2011, 06:13 PM
but if you're on dp4 it should appear right? I'm getting nothing in software update.
I'm on build 11A459e

any ideas?

Oops. Made a mistake. Ignore.

celticpride678
Jun 15, 2011, 06:13 PM
I think so. How do I check?
I'm on build 11A459e

As far as I know, that's the build number for developer preview 3.

mbprouser
Jun 15, 2011, 06:14 PM
11A480b is the build for DP4 (before today's update).

Jeff42037
Jun 15, 2011, 06:14 PM
DP4 has a Build 11A480e so if your not at least on that your not on DP4

james948
Jun 15, 2011, 06:17 PM
Oh. Wow. There was I thinking I was on 4 when I was on 3.

Nero Wolfe
Jun 15, 2011, 06:17 PM
This finally got updated (I think it's been the same since Leopard).

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z116/langbj/ScreenShot2011-06-15at71346PM.png

The background on the little desktop icon in the Finder 'Go' menu, and the one in Desktop & Screensaver in System Preferences are still Leopard Aurora though...

james948
Jun 15, 2011, 06:17 PM
Thanks everyone. DLing dp4 now!

JanFredrikB
Jun 15, 2011, 06:17 PM
I think so. How do I check?
I'm on build 11A459e

I can confirm: That is DP3.

celticpride678
Jun 15, 2011, 06:18 PM
Oh. Wow. There was I thinking I was on 4 when I was on 3.

Dev Preview 4 is only available via the Dev Connection, not Software Update. That's probably why.

james948
Jun 15, 2011, 06:20 PM
Dev Preview 4 is only available via the Dev Connection, not Software Update. That's probably why.



:rolleyes:

ViciousShadow21
Jun 15, 2011, 06:22 PM
could someone running the DP check and see how geektool and bowtie run or IF they run at all? thanks

battletops
Jun 15, 2011, 06:30 PM
I think this is a new feature. The option to use the dashboard with the old overlay style, rather than as a space.

http://i.imgur.com/ky8Yv.png

daneoni
Jun 15, 2011, 06:31 PM
I think this is a new feature. The option to use the dashboard with the old overlay style, rather than as a space.

Image (http://i.imgur.com/ky8Yv.png)

Been there since at least DP2...granted the preference pane was different.

techno96
Jun 15, 2011, 06:32 PM
Looks like good news for people who use the new Mail. I was asked to update my database so clearly Mail was updated

sweex
Jun 15, 2011, 06:33 PM
Funny it downloaded the first 400MB (from the 656,6MB) in more or less 5minutes and now I have to wait one hour :'( Well I'll let it download and I will see the changes tomorrow.
But I must say that even from DP2 Lion was already pretty stable and DP4 has less bugs than snow leopard on the beginning. In any case I couldn't go back to SL. I love how they got it all together with mission-control+ expose (I'm glad they put the gesture for that one back in) but I'm not that convinced about Launchpad...

captain kaos
Jun 15, 2011, 06:37 PM
So if the cost of Lion is $29.99 US, and with a stronger AU $, how come we're paying $32???

I know it was mentioned on MR about it being -18% in Australian due to it being a download and therefore can go with the current exchange rates, but it seems Apple Australia is doing whatever it wants using an exchange rate from a year ago!

Rip off. :mad:

silusesMac
Jun 15, 2011, 06:43 PM
i hope that they improve the amount of time it takes to load the desktop it gets slower with the less and less free space, and apparentely also if you have a lot of items on your desktop, that affects the speed as well

HelveticaNeue
Jun 15, 2011, 06:44 PM
So if the cost of Lion is $29.99 US, and with a stronger AU $, how come we're paying $32???

I believe even software has import taxes when distributed to non-native countries.

rick snagwell
Jun 15, 2011, 06:46 PM
Looks like good news for people who use the new Mail. I was asked to update my database so clearly Mail was updated

thank god...200 megs to go!

Meriana
Jun 15, 2011, 06:49 PM
So if the cost of Lion is $29.99 US, and with a stronger AU $, how come we're paying $32???


29.90 is without any taxes, and as Lion technically will be sold by Apple Australia they've to add any local taxes.

Sky Blue
Jun 15, 2011, 06:53 PM
...I don't believe...:(

http://anonymouslefty.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/x-files-believe1.jpg

Squozen
Jun 15, 2011, 07:04 PM
So if the cost of Lion is $29.99 US, and with a stronger AU $, how come we're paying $32???

I know it was mentioned on MR about it being -18% in Australian due to it being a download and therefore can go with the current exchange rates, but it seems Apple Australia is doing whatever it wants using an exchange rate from a year ago!

Rip off. :mad:

US $29.99 = AUD $28.41 at current exchange rates.

Add 10% GST and you're at $31.25.

So... you're pissing and moaning about 75 cents. Seriously.

EDIT: BTW, the US price does not include sales tax which varies between 4-10% for most US states. And let's not mention the average wage in the US compared to Australia, because that's just a massive can of worms...

proboscisjoe
Jun 15, 2011, 07:06 PM
[QUOTE=Nero Wolfe;12765628]This finally got updated (I think it's been the same since Leopard).

The Exposé pane in Snow Leopard's System Preferences uses the Snow Leopard Aurora image.

The Exposé pane in Leopard's System Preferences uses the Leopard Aurora image.

Nero Wolfe
Jun 15, 2011, 07:09 PM
This finally got updated (I think it's been the same since Leopard).

The Exposé pane in Snow Leopard's System Preferences uses the Snow Leopard Aurora image.

The Exposé pane in Leopard's System Preferences uses the Leopard Aurora image.

You're right! They look so similar to me when they're that small. In any case, I hope all the L or SL Aurora pics go away. I never liked either one of those.

spencers
Jun 15, 2011, 07:14 PM
Still no gesture videos in the Trackpad preference pane. ha!

MrNomNoms
Jun 15, 2011, 07:23 PM
Isn't that Mission Control bug caused by a graphics card memory corruption bug that's around since Snow Leopard? The bug mostly shows up when switching from full screen to windowed or vise versa. I don't have Lion here so I can't test it myself, but the bug might be in the graphics card driver as not everybody seems to be affected by it. I'm using an early '08 2.4 GHz MBP here with nVidia 8600m GT.

The operative words in that paragraph are as follows: "nVidia 8600m GT".

The GPU is the bane of Apple's and every Mac users existence - it'll be all linked back to the design flaws, faulty gpu etc.

Btw, I noticed artifacts and corruption with my x3100 which also showed up when running Windows - it was a borken GPU, you may find it is a similar situation with particular scenarios setting off the problem.

Shrink
Jun 15, 2011, 07:24 PM
I've read a number of posts referencing the Lion Login Page.

When I start my MBP 15", or come out of sleep, I go directly to Desktop.

Will I have to Login on every start-up with Lion?

I'm embarrassed at such a simple minded question - but since you folks know stuff and I don't - I'll ask the question anyway.

Thanks...

flowsy
Jun 15, 2011, 07:33 PM
I've read a number of posts referencing the Lion Login Page.

When I start my MBP 15", or come out of sleep, I go directly to Desktop.

Will I have to Login on every start-up with Lion?

I'm embarrassed at such a simple minded question - but since you folks know stuff and I don't - I'll ask the question anyway.

Thanks...

You haven't set a password, have you? Only then you will see the login-screen.

Sky Blue
Jun 15, 2011, 07:33 PM
I've read a number of posts referencing the Lion Login Page.

When I start my MBP 15", or come out of sleep, I go directly to Desktop.

Will I have to Login on every start-up with Lion?


no, you have auto-login on right now. that won't change.


You haven't set a password, have you? Only then you will see the login-screen.

No, you see the login screen if automatic login is off.

nunes013
Jun 15, 2011, 07:34 PM
is the startup bug fixed. because before there was an issue supposedly when it was finished installing it would just freeze.

AidenShaw
Jun 15, 2011, 07:36 PM
But will they fix the complete cluster**** that is the sidebar?

MobileMe account + Gmail account = total mess

Please don't take offense - I mean this sincerely....

I will never accuse you again of blind allegiance to "all things Apple", nor be silent if I see someone else make the accusation.

antmarobel
Jun 15, 2011, 07:40 PM
All this for a startup bug?...The Finder "rearrange by name bug" is still there despite all of my bug reports!!!

kenbrinkman
Jun 15, 2011, 07:40 PM
I'm having a problem in Safari and the two-finger "back" gesture. It works for several pages and then randomly it ceases to work. I restart Safari and the process starts over. Frustrating.

macjoshua
Jun 15, 2011, 07:44 PM
I'm having a problem in Safari and the two-finger "back" gesture. It works for several pages and then randomly it ceases to work. I restart Safari and the process starts over. Frustrating.

Isn't it a three finger gesture for forward and back in Safari?

kenbrinkman
Jun 15, 2011, 07:45 PM
Isn't it a three finger gesture for forward and back in Safari?

Not anymore, three fingers moves between spaces.

infiniphonic
Jun 15, 2011, 07:46 PM
My MacBook Pro is older and, this update seems to make most everything a little smoother. MOST everything. Maybe the drivers are getting the final touches.

barefootman
Jun 15, 2011, 07:47 PM
Ever since installing DP4 I can't get the Mail app to work. It just gives me the beach ball and I have to force quit.

I was hoping the update to DP4 would fix this problem but it hasn't. Anybody else have this problem?

The only mail account I have is my MobileMe account on the Mail app.

mrapplegate
Jun 15, 2011, 07:47 PM
Isn't it a three finger gesture for forward and back in Safari?

Two or three :-)

flowsy
Jun 15, 2011, 07:48 PM
No, you see the login screen if automatic login is off.

Uff, three in the morning... :o You're totally right.

kenbrinkman
Jun 15, 2011, 07:49 PM
Two or three :-)

I'm just using the defaults. And regardless, it's still not working for me. Anyone else having problems?

mrapplegate
Jun 15, 2011, 07:51 PM
I'm just using the defaults. And regardless, it's still not working for me. Anyone else having problems?

No, sorry mine is working fine.

kevin2i
Jun 15, 2011, 07:52 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-gb) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8C148)

Still no Rosetta?

No problem -
I've posted this before. You've obviously been a mac guy for some time - simply keep 10.5 or 10.6 on a partition somewhere so you can boot to it as needed. Small external drives are cheap, or you might have a hard drive laying around.

One clear benefit over win machines is the option key on boot to select boot partition.
:cool:

phpmaven
Jun 15, 2011, 07:53 PM
Ever since installing DP4 I can't get the Mail app to work. It just gives me the beach ball and I have to force quit.

I was hoping the update to DP4 would fix this problem but it hasn't. Anybody else have this problem?

The only mail account I have is my MobileMe account on the Mail app.

You can't use the existing mail data files in ~/Library/Mail in the new version of Mail
Delete or rename that folder and then start mail. It will download your messages from MobileMe again.

idkmybffjon
Jun 15, 2011, 07:53 PM
I'm just using the defaults. And regardless, it's still not working for me. Anyone else having problems?

absolutely, this is not working for me (or my friend). quite an annoying addition.

jonnysods
Jun 15, 2011, 07:56 PM
So pumped for July!

I'm currently waiting approval for iOS and Mac Dev approval. Slower than molasses!

LbrTradr
Jun 15, 2011, 07:57 PM
I'm still seeing the envelope button...

Is making a note in Mail new in this build?

Change to "Icon and Text" or "Text Only"

MacManiac76
Jun 15, 2011, 07:57 PM
I'm just using the defaults. And regardless, it's still not working for me. Anyone else having problems?

I'm having the same problem here. It's a shame too, this is probably my favorite feature of the new Safari too. :(

Shrink
Jun 15, 2011, 07:58 PM
Thank you Flowsy and Sky Blue. I really appreciate your taking the time to answer my question.

I know my questions are simple-minded and I appreciate that you techno-savvy folks treat my questions with respect. I learn so much here on MR, and it's because people here are patient with the uninitiated.

BLACKFRIDAY
Jun 15, 2011, 08:03 PM
289765

Apple is paying a lot of attention to specific details; more than ever I should say.

Meriana
Jun 15, 2011, 08:29 PM
289765

Apple is paying a lot of attention to specific details; more than ever I should say.

They just have development budget for such things now because Snow Leopard was alreeady a very polished OS, there isn't much in the technilogy side that must be added in Lion, hence the attention to details.

acslater017
Jun 15, 2011, 08:30 PM
But will they fix the complete cluster**** that is the sidebar?

MobileMe account + Gmail account = total mess

Haha yea I guess I'm so used to it that I never paid too much attention to it. But now that you mention it, it's probably the most Microsoft-esque UI element in OS X. Not very different from Outlook - nested folders inside of nested folders :(

*LTD*
Jun 15, 2011, 08:32 PM
Please don't take offense - I mean this sincerely....

I will never accuse you again of blind allegiance to "all things Apple", nor be silent if I see someone else make the accusation.

Thank you. But really, it looks very un-Apple. It's been this way for years, and I find it incredibly annoying.

If Apple's decided to step up their copying or "borrowing" or whatever you want to call the thing they do to make existing features even better, they should copy Sparrow or something. Sparrow is art. And if you play around with Sparrow's interface, it's all so obvious. So natural.

The iPad uses some elements from Mail.app's sidebar. Except they make a lot of sense in iPad's mail app. There's a clean separation of accounts, especially the choice to either operate straight from the inboxes, or to use each account natively with native features. Makes perfect sense.

Enough with the rant. Thank God there are so many other *good* things about Lion.

flowsy
Jun 15, 2011, 08:37 PM
Haha yea I guess I'm so used to it that I never paid too much attention to it. But now that you mention it, it's probably the most Microsoft-esque UI element in OS X. Not very different from Outlook - nested folders inside of nested folders :(

But you can hide them. I got two mobileme folders and like 20 gmail folders. There's no other way i guess.

neal.young
Jun 15, 2011, 08:42 PM
Apple needs to work on the transition between the white boot screen with the :apple: logo and the new login screen, it's far too abrupt in the current build.

Dorje Sylas
Jun 15, 2011, 08:44 PM
No problem -
I've posted this before. You've obviously been a mac guy for some time - simply keep 10.5 or 10.6 on a partition somewhere so you can boot to it as needed. Small external drives are cheap, or you might have a hard drive laying around.

One clear benefit over win machines is the option key on boot to select boot partition.
:cool:

Ya, but it would be nice if Apple opened up the code for older OSs like 9.2 so we could get some 3rd party DosBox like options going. It's not like the emulation would eat up that much of a modern computers resources. Sandbox it like virtualbox, VMware, or Parallels and there shouldn't be to many issues.

It'd be nice to run older applications concurrently.

Wayfarer
Jun 15, 2011, 08:45 PM
just installed it, we have a new login screen and i think i heard new UI sounds but i might be wrong.

Pics or it didn't happen. ;)

dlimes13
Jun 15, 2011, 08:50 PM
A bug still exists where after a restart or a period of sleep, the right click from the bottom right-corner of the trackpad will not work, but it will work from the bottom left, so it switches for some reason. I restarted after an HP printer update and the right click is switched to the bottom left corner instead of bottom right.

EDIT: This switches after EVERY restart. Bottom right click switches to left, even though the option is set to right in trackpad. I have to re-select "Click in bottom right corner" for it to be where it was before. Weird.

*LTD*
Jun 15, 2011, 08:54 PM
I've been running Lion exclusively since DP4's release and apart from Mail and a few very minor glitches, it's very stable and everything runs as it should.

However, taking a screenshot with Grab of an element of an app that's full screen is proving more difficult than I thought.

Question:

is there a console command or any way to speed up the auto-hide feature of the Dock? There is a noticeable delay before it pops up after mouseover. This has existed in OS X for years (or at least as far back as I can remember.)

mrapplegate
Jun 15, 2011, 09:02 PM
I've been running Lion exclusively since DP4's release and apart from Mail and a few very minor glitches, it's very stable and everything runs as it should.

However, taking a screenshot with Grab of an element of an app that's full screen is proving more difficult than I thought.

Question:

is there a console command or any way to speed up the auto-hide feature of the Dock? There is a noticeable delay before it pops up after mouseover. This has existed in OS X for years (or at least as far back as I can remember.)
What trouble are you having with screen shots in full screen mode? Shift-Command-3 or 4 work fine for me in full screen, at least tested in Safari.

Tyr.
Jun 15, 2011, 09:15 PM
What happens if you try and install it?

I was curious, so I tried it. Rosetta installs, but doesn't do much else. Launching a PPC app still gives you the 'not supported' dialog and trying to launch through the CLI shows an error. It's dead Jim !

ovrlrd
Jun 15, 2011, 09:20 PM
Wow you people weren't kidding, the newest build of Safari is a real stinker. Not only does the "scroll back/forward pages" gesture seem to break at random times, they also have removed the ability to hide the tab bar in fullscreen.

Before there was an option that would hide the tab bar just like the bookmark bar when your cursor was not at the top of the screen. I really preferred this because it's another 20 precious pixels wasted on my MBA 11. I don't always need to see the tab bar, I don't get why they would remove it as an option. :(

*LTD*
Jun 15, 2011, 09:22 PM
What trouble are you having with screen shots in full screen mode? Shift-Command-3 or 4 work fine for me in full screen, at least tested in Safari.

Ah, ok. I was using the Grab application. The less efficient way, basically. ;)

mrapplegate
Jun 15, 2011, 09:23 PM
Ah, ok. I was using the Grab application. The less efficient way, basically. ;)

I did not think of using it, so you might be right. At least the keyboard shortcuts work.

*LTD*
Jun 15, 2011, 09:23 PM
they also have removed the ability to hide the tab bar in fullscreen. (

I'm able to hide the tab bar. The option is available under the View menu.

DCJ001
Jun 15, 2011, 09:24 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-gb) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8C148)

Still no Rosetta?

There will be no Rosetta.

ovrlrd
Jun 15, 2011, 09:29 PM
I'm able to hide the tab bar. The option is available under the View menu.

Weird, it is greyed out for me. I am gonna reset my settings in Safari and see if it fixes it.

Also, are you sure we are talking about the same thing? I am talking about the tab bar hiding in fullscreen when you have multiple open. I am not trying to hide it with just one tab open, which has been a feature in Safari forever.

DCJ001
Jun 15, 2011, 09:31 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

I can't wait for the release!! They need to promote a release date already!! :cool::apple:

July 30.

When it's released sooner, you'll be happily surprised.

Yamcha
Jun 15, 2011, 09:53 PM
I can't wait for the final release, I'm hoping its sooner then later, but I still don't know how they can have it ready for even July, there just seems to be too many issues even with the latest Developer Preview..

rorschach
Jun 15, 2011, 10:01 PM
I don't remember this from previous builds; you can hover over links in Mail to get a preview:

http://i.imgur.com/0yjuc.png

ewartjohn11
Jun 15, 2011, 10:03 PM
after installing the latest update, my swiping between pages gesture keeps breaking if i scroll at all. is this happening to anyone else? cuz this is REALLY annoying

celticpride678
Jun 15, 2011, 10:08 PM
after installing the latest update, my swiping between pages gesture keeps breaking if i scroll at all. is this happening to anyone else? cuz this is REALLY annoying

Yep, seems to be a new bug.

ewartjohn11
Jun 15, 2011, 10:16 PM
Yep, seems to be a new bug.

dang, this really bites....

Hallivand
Jun 15, 2011, 11:01 PM
Is it me, or has anyone noticed that the graphic performance on a 2009 Macbook Pro 13" (with the nVidia 9400m) is pretty bad. Like the opening of the folders in Launchpad and Expose are incredibly laggy for me.

Even after this update :(

Yamcha
Jun 15, 2011, 11:04 PM
Is it me, or has anyone noticed that the graphic performance on a 2009 Macbook Pro 13" (with the nVidia 9400m) is pretty bad. Like the opening of the folders in Launchpad and Expose are incredibly laggy for me.

Even after this update :(

Not surprised, I hope its fixed, but I remember when I had an iMac with the 9400M whenever I would launch stacks in snow leopard with lots of applications there would be some lag..

Hallivand
Jun 15, 2011, 11:07 PM
Not surprised, I hope its fixed, but I remember when I had an iMac with the 9400M whenever I would launch stacks in snow leopard with lots of applications there would be some lag..

Hmm, yeah there would be a little lag here and there (especially with loads of apps in stacks, like you said. But on the whole its very snappy, even for games and such.

But the amount of lag I'm experiencing in Lion is frankly appalling, enough to hold me off from upgrading. Since we're this close to release, I'm worried it might not be fixed :eek:

aleni
Jun 15, 2011, 11:12 PM
man i hate the launchpad. it's useless on my 27" ACD. it's too big.

i wish i can set the window size to only show it at 1024x768 pixels window

MCIowaRulz
Jun 15, 2011, 11:13 PM
I'm glad I did the update quickly, 994.4 MB and it only took 7 minutes.

:eek: WTH you have for an Internet connection? I'd be looking at 1HR/2 for that!

michaeldorian
Jun 15, 2011, 11:26 PM
Man. Am I the only one that hates the linen background Apple is using? I feel that is going to grow old quick...

espoir
Jun 15, 2011, 11:39 PM
Lots of people couldn't even install DP4... so I guess this update is not for them ((

BlackMangoTree
Jun 15, 2011, 11:41 PM
Lion even after this update is still a mess.

It's going to be many months before it becomes stable enough to use for any serious work.

MartiNZ
Jun 15, 2011, 11:56 PM
Damn and here I was thinking we were like three weeks from release - given that I didn't expect the free-upgrade period to go more than 30 days. Either way I still know I won't be able to resist day 1 upgrades - fresh installs if indeed we can with the download!

espoir
Jun 16, 2011, 12:04 AM
Damn and here I was thinking we were like three weeks from release - given that I didn't expect the free-upgrade period to go more than 30 days. Either way I still know I won't be able to resist day 1 upgrades - fresh installs if indeed we can with the download!

Well, Lion creates special partion on the HDD which you can access holding ALT on the boot of your mac. This partition will hold all installation files and could be used for clean install

realitymonkey
Jun 16, 2011, 12:04 AM
Lion even after this update is still a mess.

It's going to be many months before it becomes stable enough to use for any serious work.

Really ? I used DP 1-3 as my primary OS but with a SL dual boot option just in case snce DP4 I have used it exclusively. Mail is a touch flakey but CS 5.5 offce 2011 are solid Xcode works well and the sync with iOS 5 is superb.

redking31591
Jun 16, 2011, 12:20 AM
am I the only person having a problem with my MBP waking from sleep when i close the lid during normal usage? am i supposed to do something special in Lion or is this a bug?

cms2
Jun 16, 2011, 12:27 AM
Man, from reading the last few pages of this thread, it sounds like Lion is still really buggy. Hope they iron it all out before the rest of us get our hands on it. :)

MartiNZ
Jun 16, 2011, 12:37 AM
Well, Lion creates special partion on the HDD which you can access holding ALT on the boot of your mac. This partition will hold all installation files and could be used for clean install

Oh interesting concept, I like that.

Re waking from sleep when the lid is closed, that sounds suspiciously like the return of the long-lived Leopard bug. Even in SL I'm not completely trusting that my Air always goes to sleep, and it has no indicator light to tell me!

aleni
Jun 16, 2011, 12:42 AM
Well, Lion creates special partion on the HDD which you can access holding ALT on the boot of your mac. This partition will hold all installation files and could be used for clean install

ah i don't like it. wastes my precious SSD with only 128GB. well i hope they include on in the usb stick when i buy the new macbook air in the future.

RaceJohnson
Jun 16, 2011, 01:04 AM
I'm having a problem in Safari and the two-finger "back" gesture. It works for several pages and then randomly it ceases to work. I restart Safari and the process starts over. Frustrating.

Yes I am experiencing this also.. Reaslly annoying. I was really getting used to peaking back and forward between pages

kevin2i
Jun 16, 2011, 01:17 AM
Launch pad now works on my Mac Pro.

Stopped working after dp3 upgrade.

Not that I plan on using Launchpad on my 2-screen setup, but one less bug is good.

kristoffers4
Jun 16, 2011, 01:35 AM
Launchpad is working as it should now. But you can only delete apps that are downloaded via the Mac App Store. You can't delete other apps from the Launchpad. And if I remember correctly you could before the update.

JackieTreehorn
Jun 16, 2011, 01:43 AM
I don't remember this from previous builds; you can hover over links in Mail to get a preview:

Image (http://i.imgur.com/0yjuc.png)
How does one do that? It doesn't appear to be working on my Macs atm.

callme
Jun 16, 2011, 01:50 AM
It has new problems.

Can't swipe between pages in Safari (Backwards or Forwards).

ovrlrd
Jun 16, 2011, 01:52 AM
How does one do that? It doesn't appear to be working on my Macs atm.

You click on the little "arrow" button that appears next to the link when you hover over it. This is not a new feature, it has been in Lion since the first dev build. What is cool is it works with other identifiers like tracking numbers and pops up with a tracking window for FEDEX/UPS numbers.

Discoverer
Jun 16, 2011, 02:05 AM
289765

Apple is paying a lot of attention to specific details; more than ever I should say.

This is available in Snow Leopard. Simply check the "Show input menu in login window" in the Accounts preference pane.

Jerome Morrow
Jun 16, 2011, 02:30 AM
Some small refinements I'm noticing so far. Lion is shaping up nicely.

I'm really getting used to the new Mission Control + per application Exposé workflow as well. Good stuff.

All i want is more Magic Mouse love. Mouse gestures are weak at best.

Jerome Morrow
Jun 16, 2011, 02:35 AM
:eek: WTH you have for an Internet connection? I'd be looking at 1HR/2 for that!

Just ~20 Mbps connection :)

ovrlrd
Jun 16, 2011, 02:38 AM
All i want is more Magic Mouse love. Mouse gestures are weak at best.

Magic Trackpads are pretty much standard requirement now for desktop Macs in my opinion. If you are using just a Magic Mouse you are always going to miss out, there just isn't enough room to pull off anything but really basic gestures.

I wouldn't be surprised if Apple changed it so that Magic Trackpads are shipped as the standard cursor device for any new desktop Macs. They would always have the BTO option to get the Magic Mouse instead, but in retail stores that wouldn't be an option and people would have to buy a mouse separately. But the reality is that most people would be just fine with the Magic Trackpad.

toxotis70
Jun 16, 2011, 02:41 AM
I cant install Lion dp4 on my new MBP 2011 15.4" !!!
WTF Apple... its your newest and best laptop ever... no Lion support ?

Ger Teunis
Jun 16, 2011, 02:42 AM
I cant install Lion dp4 on my new MBP 2011 15.4" !!!
WTF Apple... its your newest and best laptop ever... no Lion support ?

Relax, it's obviously a bug. No need to panic.

Jerome Morrow
Jun 16, 2011, 02:46 AM
Magic Trackpads are pretty much standard requirement now for desktop Macs in my opinion. If you are using just a Magic Mouse you are always going to miss out, there just isn't enough room to pull off anything but really basic gestures.



I tried Magic Trackpad with my iMac i can't say i'm comfortable with it on a desk. Also Apple is cutting corners even with basic gestures for Magic Mouse. I have Jitouch installed on Snow Leopard (also works with Lion) all gestures i have set up with it work just fine: 2 / 3 finger swipes, clicks, taps all kinds of combinations work just fine in about 95 times out of 100. I'd say it's pretty good accuracy.

Cougarcat
Jun 16, 2011, 02:56 AM
ah i don't like it. wastes my precious SSD with only 128GB. well i hope they include on in the usb stick when i buy the new macbook air in the future.

The recovery partition does not contain install files--you have to download it. The partition itself is about 1 GB.

ovrlrd
Jun 16, 2011, 03:01 AM
I tried Magic Trackpad with my iMac i can't say i'm comfortable with it on a desk. Also Apple is cutting corners even with basic gestures for Magic Mouse. I have Jitouch installed on Snow Leopard (also works with Lion) all gestures i have set up with it work just fine: 2 / 3 finger swipes, clicks, taps all kinds of combinations work just fine in about 95 times out of 100. I'd say it's pretty good accuracy.

Yes and that might be good enough for you but for a lot of users it might not be. Apple is going to put whatever gestures it feels are comfortable to use on the Magic Mouse.

The good news is there will always be stuff like Jitouch out there to give you what you want. In the mean time I doubt Apple is happy with the limited experience that the Magic Mouse would give Lion users, and are probably going to make a major push for the Magic Trackpad like I said.

BLACKFRIDAY
Jun 16, 2011, 03:05 AM
This is available in Snow Leopard. Simply check the "Show input menu in login window" in the Accounts preference pane.

I stand corrected. :)

Thanks for the input.

Jerome Morrow
Jun 16, 2011, 03:06 AM
Yes and that might be good enough for you but for a lot of users it might not be. Apple is going to put whatever gestures it feels are comfortable to use on the Magic Mouse.


You know if you put it as an option some one might like it too, no one is asking for some geeky gestures turned on by default. I think it's not that hard to understand. Magic Mouse really can handle 3 finger swipes and taps with no problems (i have very big hands) if i can do it ...

ianday
Jun 16, 2011, 03:15 AM
I'm having the same problem here. It's a shame too, this is probably my favorite feature of the new Safari too. :(

Same here :(

What happened to UnRarX? It came preinstalled with DP4 but has now disappeared with the update.

MorphingDragon
Jun 16, 2011, 03:17 AM
Thank you. But really, it looks very un-Apple. It's been this way for years, and I find it incredibly annoying.

If Apple's decided to step up their copying or "borrowing" or whatever you want to call the thing they do to make existing features even better, they should copy Sparrow or something. Sparrow is art. And if you play around with Sparrow's interface, it's all so obvious. So natural.

The iPad uses some elements from Mail.app's sidebar. Except they make a lot of sense in iPad's mail app. There's a clean separation of accounts, especially the choice to either operate straight from the inboxes, or to use each account natively with native features. Makes perfect sense.

Enough with the rant. Thank God there are so many other *good* things about Lion.

So why don't you use Sparrow instead of Apple Mail?

kiljoy616
Jun 16, 2011, 03:20 AM
Can't wait to see how bad and long it takes to download OS X Lion to install on the computers. Considering how many people are going to upgrade its going to be an interesting ride.:rolleyes:

theBigD23
Jun 16, 2011, 03:20 AM
I'm getting two issues with Mail which are important:

1. In the options/Viewing, I check the option for "Display unread messages in bold font" and nothing happens. I tried restarting Mail and it still doesn't show my unread messages as bold.

2. I also remember in DP4, before the update, that there was Reminders there as well, but it seems to be removed and only available in iCal. Does anyone else see Reminders in Mail?

NightFox
Jun 16, 2011, 04:10 AM
I think this is a new feature. The option to use the dashboard with the old overlay style, rather than as a space.

Image (http://i.imgur.com/ky8Yv.png)

Glad to see this - I mostly use dashboard to use the calculator widget, usually to work with numbers that are on the screen so I need to be able to see 'through' the dashboard.

NightFox
Jun 16, 2011, 04:25 AM
Man. Am I the only one that hates the linen background Apple is using? I feel that is going to grow old quick...

Nope, you're not alone, and it's creeping in everywhere... Lion, iOS. It just seems so un-Apple to me, more like the kind of thing everyone Oooo!ed and Ahhh!ed about when Windows 95 came out. Apple seems to be adopting more and more virtual interface designs, the new Calendar.app is probably the most obvious example. It maybe looks more breakthrough on iOS devices where it hasn't been seen before, but on a Mac I just find it a bit gimmicky and inconsistent.

Berlin2011
Jun 16, 2011, 04:27 AM
Any idea why the download comes in different sizes for different machines? My MBA (Oct 2010) got the 656MB update while my Mac Pro (1,1) got the 994MB update?

Jerome Morrow
Jun 16, 2011, 04:28 AM
Nope, you're not alone, and it's creeping in everywhere... Lion, iOS. It just seems so un-Apple to me, more like the kind of thing everyone Oooo!ed and Ahhh!ed about when Windows 95 came out. Apple seems to be adopting more and more virtual interface designs, the new Calendar.app is probably the most obvious example. It may be looks more breakthrough on iOS devices where it hasn't been seen before, but on a Mac I just find it a bit gimmicky and inconsistent.

That background texture and colour is very neutral and i like it very much. I even use it as my desktop background on Snow Leopard. Whoever made it is THE MAN.

JPOWA
Jun 16, 2011, 04:44 AM
Lots of people couldn't even install DP4... so I guess this update is not for them ((

I cant install Lion dp4 on my new MBP 2011 15.4" !!!
WTF Apple... its your newest and best laptop ever... no Lion support ?

Apple released a fix for the 2011 MBP install issue! The DP4 build 11A480e installs without a problem in any Mac.

Try install with this one! Then you can use it and update it! ;)

rdlink
Jun 16, 2011, 05:04 AM
but if you're on dp4 it should appear right? I'm getting nothing in software update.
I'm on build 11A459e

any ideas?

You're not on build 4.

rdlink
Jun 16, 2011, 05:09 AM
Any idea why the download comes in different sizes for different machines? My MBA (Oct 2010) got the 656MB update while my Mac Pro (1,1) got the 994MB update?

Driver differences?

rdlink
Jun 16, 2011, 05:15 AM
It has new problems.

Can't swipe between pages in Safari (Backwards or Forwards).

Saw that. If you change the option from two fingers to two or three fingers, close and restart Safari it works. Sort of. Inconsistent and slow. Ugh.

flowsy
Jun 16, 2011, 05:19 AM
Am I the only one without a problem or obvious bug? I'm pretty happy with Lion so far. :)

rdlink
Jun 16, 2011, 05:21 AM
Really ? I used DP 1-3 as my primary OS but with a SL dual boot option just in case snce DP4 I have used it exclusively. Mail is a touch flakey but CS 5.5 offce 2011 are solid Xcode works well and the sync with iOS 5 is superb.

I agree with BlackMangoTree. I did the same thing as you, but found the opposite to be true. I couldn't work in Lion for more than an hour or two before I got frustrated with not being able to perform basic tasks without glitches and bugs, and would end up booting back into SL. DP4 seemed to straighten out the vast majority of that, and after running it for a couple of days on my secondary partition I plunged into the void and upgraded my primary partition. This update has seemed like a step backward so far, however. Basic things like swiping between pages in Safari are not working now, and they were before.

flowsy
Jun 16, 2011, 05:24 AM
Basic things like swiping between pages in Safari are not working now, and they were before.
It works here.

NightFox
Jun 16, 2011, 05:31 AM
I agree with BlackMangoTree. I did the same thing as you, but found the opposite to be true. I couldn't work in Lion for more than an hour or two before I got frustrated with not being able to perform basic tasks without glitches and bugs, and would end up booting back into SL. DP4 seemed to straighten out the vast majority of that, and after running it for a couple of days on my secondary partition I plunged into the void and upgraded my primary partition. This update has seemed like a step backward so far, however. Basic things like swiping between pages in Safari are not working now, and they were before.

Yep, DP4 seemed to iron out all the major glitches for me too, to the extent that I got close to installing it on my primary partition. However, this update has made me glad I didn't.

Phil A.
Jun 16, 2011, 05:46 AM
It works here.

It did for me too at first but seems to stop working at random until I restart Safari. I never had a problem previously with DP4 so it definitely looks like a new bug has been introduced. It's a bit of a concern at this late stage that this sort of thing is still happening (I would expect things to be getting pretty stable, not less stable as we're only about 6 weeks away from release based on Apple's own timescales)

slackpacker
Jun 16, 2011, 05:48 AM
Relax, it's obviously a bug. No need to panic.

I cant install Lion dp4 on my new MBP 2011 15.4" !!!
WTF Apple... its your newest and best laptop ever... no Lion support ?

because apple makes you install from an drive that boots to 10.6.7 first.... Install 10.6.7 first then lion on the MBP.

JPOWA
Jun 16, 2011, 05:51 AM
because apple makes you install from an drive that boots to 10.6.7 first.... Install 10.6.7 first then lion on the MBP.

Thats not true!

I made a clean install on my 13" 2011 MBP! If he has a bootable usb/dvd/partition with the install files, he can boot from there and make a clean install without a problem...as long it's 11A480e version! ;)

darrellishere
Jun 16, 2011, 06:51 AM
anyone know how to sort out scrolling. Its all reversed. To scroll up you have to scroll down etc. Very confusing set up and counter intuitive? Why change such fundamental elements, like not enabling 3 finger swipes in safari. People will have to take lessons in how to use Lion. Somethings don't feel wright. They have made the os more complex not less! How am I going to teach this to my mum, nan gran act. The will not get it! Any of it!

Darlo770
Jun 16, 2011, 06:59 AM
anyone know how to sort out scrolling. Its all reversed. To scroll up you have to scroll down etc. Very confusing set up and counter intuitive? Why change such fundamental elements, like not enabling 3 finger swipes in safari. People will have to take lessons in how to use Lion. Somethings don't feel wright. They have made the os more complex not less! How am I going to teach this to my mum, nan gran act. The will not get it! Any of it!

System Preferences > Trackpad > 'When using gestures to scroll or navigate, move content in the direction of finger movement'

Un-tick that.

If you're using a mouse, i'm not sure, as i'm on a MacBook. Look under the mouse preferences pane if so.

flowsy
Jun 16, 2011, 07:00 AM
anyone know how to sort out scrolling. Its all reversed. To scroll up you have to scroll down etc. Very confusing set up and counter intuitive?

You can change this in /system preferences /mouse.

plexdk
Jun 16, 2011, 07:01 AM
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Abacab
Jun 16, 2011, 07:01 AM
Safari will not launch after this update.



Mac Pro Tower
2x2.8 Ghz Quadcore Xeon
20 GB Ram

darrellishere
Jun 16, 2011, 07:14 AM
Thanks darlo!!!!!!!!

iBug2
Jun 16, 2011, 07:18 AM
Safari still freezes all content when 90+ tabs are open. It's basically useless with high load. I hope this gets fixed until release, otherwise I'll have to postpone upgrading to Lion, just because of the Safari issue. It feels like Webkit2 needed more development time than Lion and trying to release them together was a bad idea.

darrellishere
Jun 16, 2011, 08:12 AM
Safari is bugging me!!!! Why dose it need to bounce the pages everywhere! The animations are not even smooth and nice! And that goes for the entire OS! Come on if the iPhone can look smooth and crisp, why can't my desecrate graphics do it. Mac osx isn't evolving enough graphically! Launch pad and mission control are smooth snappy and agin SMOOTH!! But menu bars, hidden docks, spaces, and scrolling around safari is horrible! The bounce at the top of pages every time you scroll is useless, none elegant, crap!!!!! I feel like I'm on an ibook g3 with 8gb video ram, 10 years ago!!!!!! Come on apple!

(Typo! 8mb Video Ram ;)

Phil A.
Jun 16, 2011, 08:14 AM
What version do you have installed?

I have the free developer 5.1 installed, if you continue to have problems,go to the Apple Developer page (http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/safari/index.action) and sign up for a free developer account to get the latest Beta of Safari 5.1 not sure what version came with 10.7 as I installed 5.1 before even looking but this may help

That's the version that's included with DP4 update 1

*LTD*
Jun 16, 2011, 08:37 AM
Spotlight searches show little previews off to the side if you hover over the results. But I think this may have already been in DP3. Nice touch, though.

If it's a document the preview allows you to scroll through it.

realitymonkey
Jun 16, 2011, 08:44 AM
I agree with BlackMangoTree. I did the same thing as you, but found the opposite to be true. I couldn't work in Lion for more than an hour or two before I got frustrated with not being able to perform basic tasks without glitches and bugs, and would end up booting back into SL. DP4 seemed to straighten out the vast majority of that, and after running it for a couple of days on my secondary partition I plunged into the void and upgraded my primary partition. This update has seemed like a step backward so far, however. Basic things like swiping between pages in Safari are not working now, and they were before.

Yup but I have never liked Safari and use Chrome as my primary browser so not come that as an issue for me. I have upgraded and not a single frustration yet today and I have just put FCP on this machine as I am going to be using it on location and all good so far.

moose0422
Jun 16, 2011, 08:48 AM
Things that have not been fixed or remain the same as 10.7 Beta 4

* Dark Linen login screen only shows on 1 screen not Dual :mad:

* About this Mac is the same on a MacPro as the about this Mac in 10.6 :rolleyes:

* Update Removes iCloud pref :mad:

* MobileMe Pref does not open :mad:

* Still lose 1 Screen when any program is in full screen mode :mad:

For the new About this Mac you need to click on More Info.

Plymouthbreezer
Jun 16, 2011, 08:53 AM
Safari still freezes all content when 90+ tabs are open. It's basically useless with high load. I hope this gets fixed until release, otherwise I'll have to postpone upgrading to Lion, just because of the Safari issue. It feels like Webkit2 needed more development time than Lion and trying to release them together was a bad idea.
90 tabs??

How is that even productive?

Jerome Morrow
Jun 16, 2011, 08:59 AM
You can change this in /system preferences /mouse.

No you can't. That option is gone in DP4 or at least it's gone for me.

Becordial
Jun 16, 2011, 08:59 AM
Nope, you're not alone, and it's creeping in everywhere... Lion, iOS. It just seems so un-Apple to me, more like the kind of thing everyone Oooo!ed and Ahhh!ed about when Windows 95 came out. Apple seems to be adopting more and more virtual interface designs, the new Calendar.app is probably the most obvious example. It maybe looks more breakthrough on iOS devices where it hasn't been seen before, but on a Mac I just find it a bit gimmicky and inconsistent.

Corkboard in iphotos, wood panels in ibooks, linen and new ribbons in photobooth. Add that to the cheesy sound options in iOS. For some reason Apple is trying to introduce gimmicky chintz into their system and its out of place.

fehhkk
Jun 16, 2011, 09:03 AM
90 tabs??

How is that even productive?

Didn't you know that's how some people browse porn nowadays? :D

Phil A.
Jun 16, 2011, 09:04 AM
No you can't. That option is gone in DP4 or at least it's gone for me.

It's the unchecked option labelled "Scroll with finger direction" on the attached screenshot

iBug2
Jun 16, 2011, 09:17 AM
Didn't you know that's how some people browse porn nowadays? :D

Actually I must say I never open more than 10 tabs when I browse porn.

90 tabs isn't for porn, it's for news stories. Open 10-15 sites like macrumors, then start command+clicking to every story that interests you, and before you know it you have tons of stories open in tabs.

And bam, Safari is frozen, you can't do anything, other than close all tabs and start over, this time with less tabs.

Firefox usually crashes with that many tabs, but Safari 5 has absolutely no problems with high load. I once opened 200 tabs just to see if it can hold it, it does.

But 5.1 i.e. Webkit2 isn't polished enough yet. The whole premise of Webkit2 is to make Safari perform better under high load, because it sandboxes all content, apart from Safari application itself. In 5.0 if you open 90 tabs, it works, but the application is quite slow in response, in 5.1 the application works nicely but the content doesn't.

This wouldn't be a bug if Safari 5 performed the same way, but this is a step back. The only reason I use Safari as my primary browser is its stability under very high load. I don't want to lose that in Webkit2.

flowsy
Jun 16, 2011, 09:33 AM
@iBug2

How's the Flash Player Plugin performing while having open more than 90 tabs? Did you check in the activity monitor?

iBug2
Jun 16, 2011, 10:40 AM
@iBug2

How's the Flash Player Plugin performing while having open more than 90 tabs? Did you check in the activity monitor?

I use click2flash. I never have it active.

But I tried 90+ tabs with javascript disabled as well, and there's no difference. With or without javascript all content is frozen.

cg0def
Jun 16, 2011, 10:44 AM
The update is definitely on the right track. The stability of the OS is greatly improved and it's is getting to a production state in a very rapid paste. All that is great news because honestly I was getting worried about the OS being ready in time for the launch. There are a few more problems that need to be resolved however, Launchpad is finally working and a few other annoyances have been fixed.

Djlild7hina
Jun 16, 2011, 11:11 AM
spaces in mission control has a weird numbering bug still.. i have desktop 1,3,2,4,5,6 instead of 1,2,3,4,5,6

RaceJohnson
Jun 16, 2011, 11:40 AM
I cant install Lion dp4 on my new MBP 2011 15.4" !!!
WTF Apple... its your newest and best laptop ever... no Lion support ?

obviously your doing something wrong

Jerome Morrow
Jun 16, 2011, 11:49 AM
It's the unchecked option labelled "Scroll with finger direction" on the attached screenshot

Thanks :) I was looking for the same label as in DP3 and in the same place. Stupid me ...

cg0def
Jun 16, 2011, 11:56 AM
WHAT! Have they really removed the coolest Safari feature or is something wrong with my setup? The sliding page thing is now gone and safari acts just like the old one and yes it does say it's version 5.1. What a bummer. Also some of the fixes made gestures a bit worst then before. Yeah it was a bug and all but before I could go back and forward with either a 2 or 3 finger gesture … not so now. Oh well the latter one I can live with but for crying out loud bring the page sliding thing back.

mrapplegate
Jun 16, 2011, 11:59 AM
WHAT! Have they really removed the coolest Safari feature or is something wrong with my setup? The sliding page thing is now gone and safari acts just like the old one and yes it does say it's version 5.1. What a bummer. Also some of the fixes made gestures a bit worst then before. Yeah it was a bug and all but before I could go back and forward with either a 2 or 3 finger gesture … not so now. Oh well the latter one I can live with but for crying out loud bring the page sliding thing back.

It is nothing more than a bug for some people. It works fine on my system. Report it if it does not work for your system.

cmaier
Jun 16, 2011, 12:11 PM
spaces in mission control has a weird numbering bug still.. i have desktop 1,3,2,4,5,6 instead of 1,2,3,4,5,6

It's called partial Gray-coding. It's all the rage.

Solowalker
Jun 16, 2011, 12:30 PM
90 tabs isn't for porn, it's for news stories. Open 10-15 sites like macrumors, then start command+clicking to every story that interests you, and before you know it you have tons of stories open in tabs.

Have you tried RSS feeds? Or, I've been trying to condition myself to use the Reading List for that. I don't have as many sites, but I do the Command-click all the time. Just switch to a shift-click and you'll be all set. Then instead of clicking through all your tabs, just click through the list in the sidebar. They'll even sync to different machines and devices, if you're into that sort of thing.

Solowalker
Jun 16, 2011, 12:35 PM
spaces in mission control has a weird numbering bug still.. i have desktop 1,3,2,4,5,6 instead of 1,2,3,4,5,6

That's not a bug, it's a feature. Check out the attached screenshot. It confused me for a while, too, until DP4 when they changed the wording of the description. Basically it's meant to feel more like iOS multitasking: using the 4 finger gesture on the trackpad, you can switch between your last used apps (fullscreen) or spaces in order. Pretty cool, if you're into that sort of thing.

I haven't quite decided if I am yet, but it's growing on me. :)

cmaier
Jun 16, 2011, 12:43 PM
That's not a bug, it's a feature. Check out the attached screenshot. It confused me for a while, too, until DP4 when they changed the wording of the description Basically it's meant to feel more like iOS multitasking: using the 4 finger gesture on the trackpad, you can switch between your last used apps (fullscreen) or spaces in order. Pretty cool, if you're into that sort of thing.

I haven't quite decided if I am yet, but it's growing on me. :)

Ouch. Can't wait to turn that option off. Totally ruins the spatial organization of tasks and information.

Phil A.
Jun 16, 2011, 12:45 PM
Thanks :) I was looking for the same label as in DP3 and in the same place. Stupid me ...

I did exactly the same ;)

Bokito
Jun 16, 2011, 12:48 PM
Apple borrowed a whole lot of engineers from the Safari and WebKit teams for mostly iPhone related development as those themes are considered amongst the company's most skilled. Downside is that Safari and WebKit introduced new features over time, but at a slower rate and with less QA. If all those engineers get a month of pure bug-fixing they may be able to resolve most of the issues, but as there are already some bugs from Safari 4 I don't think everything will be solved in time. Certainly not if you take into account that Safari 5.1 for Windows needs to be released at the same moment in time. Whoever tried 5.1 on Windows knows it's just plain garbage, not stable enough to test anything.

For the feature-savvy user Lion will be good enough with the introduction, but for a person who wants to work behind his Mac is better off waiting for 10.7.1 or 10.7.2.

Brien
Jun 16, 2011, 12:50 PM
Had to take it with my iPhone camera - but after the grey Apple screen with the spinning gear, the screen now sits on an indented Apple logo with the dark grey linen BG before your desktop loads.

Apple sure loves that linen background - it's everywhere on iOS 5.

They just have development budget for such things now because Snow Leopard was alreeady a very polished OS, there isn't much in the technilogy side that must be added in Lion, hence the attention to details.

Yeah. I'm absolutely loving the level of polish on the UI elements. New scrollbars, buttons, UI elements everywhere. It's purty.

CodeBreaker
Jun 16, 2011, 01:28 PM
I've noticed this since DP1. Two finger pinch in/out in the thumbnail view of Finder does not work. Is anyone else annoyed?

Tonewheel
Jun 16, 2011, 02:51 PM
This seems to go unspoken on this thread, but I am curious....

I loaded this beta 4 on a new, separate partition to try it out. Is everyone else doing the same? Is anyone using it for your primary op sys? Anyone actually using applications with this, such as MS Suite or Adobe CS?

iBug2
Jun 16, 2011, 03:28 PM
Have you tried RSS feeds? Or, I've been trying to condition myself to use the Reading List for that. I don't have as many sites, but I do the Command-click all the time. Just switch to a shift-click and you'll be all set. Then instead of clicking through all your tabs, just click through the list in the sidebar. They'll even sync to different machines and devices, if you're into that sort of thing.

That's irrelevant though. There can be many instances where you'd need multiple tabs and in those cases Webkit2 should perform well.

pmz
Jun 16, 2011, 05:06 PM
The update is definitely on the right track. The stability of the OS is greatly improved and it's is getting to a production state in a very rapid paste. All that is great news because honestly I was getting worried about the OS being ready in time for the launch. There are a few more problems that need to be resolved however, Launchpad is finally working and a few other annoyances have been fixed.

Some things have been fixed, while introducing new bugs. Its very close to a final release, and its currently more stable than other .0 version of an OS i've ever installed.

avastmehearties
Jun 16, 2011, 05:50 PM
Is anyone having issues with four finger swiping? I've got my Magic Trackpad setup to swipe between full-screen apps with four fingers, and for the life of me it just doesn't work in DP4 with the latest updates. Wondering if it's a bug or the trackpad. None of the other stuff (bring up Mission Control, Expose, etc.) work either when set to four fingers.

The funny thing is, stuff like Show Desktop and show Launchpad work fine when they're assigned to use three fingers + thumb... which is just essentially four fingers.

EMAILBEN145
Jun 16, 2011, 07:13 PM
after the update CTRL+A no longer works for me :mad::mad::mad:

anyone else seeing this?

xgman
Jun 16, 2011, 07:55 PM
Double clicking between finder columns in details view no longer opens the column to full length to see the entire file name. Is it just me?

xgman
Jun 16, 2011, 07:55 PM
after the update CTRL+A no longer works for me :mad::mad::mad:

anyone else seeing this?


you mean command A?

Penfold2711
Jun 17, 2011, 04:13 AM
Can no longer 2 finger swipe in Safari to go back to last page yet that was in wwdc hmmmm:eek:

iBug2
Jun 17, 2011, 06:15 AM
Can no longer 2 finger swipe in Safari to go back to last page yet that was in wwdc hmmmm:eek:

I can, so it's not about the build. Something's up with your install.

kaws
Jun 17, 2011, 09:25 AM
well when i try to install the update it downloads and then it says can't update because of partial download or corrupted downloaded i already download it 3 times and still can't install

look at the screen shot below it says partially downloaded 100% how is that possible? :confused::confused::confused:

EMAILBEN145
Jun 17, 2011, 05:11 PM
you mean command A?

no, i mean CTRL+A which goes to the beginning of a line in cocoa textboxes

also has extensive use in emacs editing, which is where i will miss it the most

kuwxman
Jun 17, 2011, 11:59 PM
A bug still exists where after a restart or a period of sleep, the right click from the bottom right-corner of the trackpad will not work, but it will work from the bottom left, so it switches for some reason. I restarted after an HP printer update and the right click is switched to the bottom left corner instead of bottom right.

EDIT: This switches after EVERY restart. Bottom right click switches to left, even though the option is set to right in trackpad. I have to re-select "Click in bottom right corner" for it to be where it was before. Weird.
Thank goodness its not just me! Same issue here. I usually use my MBP in clamshell mode so it hasnt been an issue on mine, but I first noticed it this morning on my wife's MB. She tends to use hers more away from the desk so I can see this being a HUGE annoyance for her. I'm tempted to roll her back to the previous version just to save her the hassle of having to go into Systems Preferences after EVERY restart.


edit: I saw earlier someone asked about Bowtie. It works for me just fine. I'm running Lion as my Primary OS and have NO problems on a daily basis...other than this stupid new trackpad bug. Parallels doesn't work, but I found a fix online that got it working. I can't think of a single program off the top of my head that doesn't work.

Eyerish
Jun 18, 2011, 12:26 AM
For me it's 994.4MB. Pretty large update, I wonder what all has changed.

What Hardware are you running Lion on? My download was 600mb+ for a 15" MBP. Maybe there's more or less depending on your system??

fatespawn
Jun 18, 2011, 10:12 AM
Has anyone checked for non-apple SSD TRIM support using DP4? I haven't been able to find any information about it since the initial DP release.

-fate

Cougarcat
Jun 18, 2011, 10:13 AM
Has anyone checked for non-apple SSD TRIM support using DP4? I haven't been able to find any information about it since the initial DP release.

-fate

No TRIM support for non-apple ssds.

AidenShaw
Jun 18, 2011, 10:43 AM
No TRIM support for non-apple ssds.

That's almost unbelievable....