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Jun 20, 2011, 01:36 PM
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A reader sent us this email he received from the "MobileMe Quota Service", informing that he was using 4.2GB of his 5GB of free iCloud storage.

The email notes that once the storage is full, iOS devices will no longer back up or save data to iCloud and mail sent to me.com email addresses will get bounced.

Users are directed to the iCloud settings on their iOS device to buy more storage. The email also notes that more storage can be purchased on a Mac or PC.

Apple has not released details on pricing for additional storage.

Article Link: If You Use All Your iCloud Storage, Apple Sends You This Email (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/20/if-you-use-all-your-icloud-storage-apple-sends-you-this-email/)



soco
Jun 20, 2011, 01:38 PM
Seems reasonable. Much like when your cellular provider warns you about going over your data cap.

I'd imagine quite a few people will upgrade their storage.

QuarterSwede
Jun 20, 2011, 01:39 PM
So does it save only the last backup?

bigjnyc
Jun 20, 2011, 01:42 PM
what exactly counts toward the 5gb quota? is it your phone settings, email setup, contacts, calendars etc.... Or is it music, books, movies, podcasts etc... Or both?

if it's the latter then I would imagine most people will fill up their quota really fast.

appleguy123
Jun 20, 2011, 01:42 PM
I hope that Apple starts some kind of promotion where you get more space for free every time you buy an iDevice. Having to buy more space just because you've given Apple more money to buy a device from them seems rather dumb.

TheOrioles33
Jun 20, 2011, 01:44 PM
what exactly counts toward the 5gb quota? is it your phone settings, email setup, contacts, calendars etc.... Or is it music, books, movies, podcasts etc... Or both?

if it's the latter then I would imagine most people will fill up their quota really fast.

Its the latter I believe.

soco
Jun 20, 2011, 01:45 PM
what exactly counts toward the 5gb quota? is it your phone settings, email setup, contacts, calendars etc.... Or is it music, books, movies, podcasts etc... Or both?

if it's the latter then I would imagine most people will fill up their quota really fast.

No, Steve made it clear that music, photos, videos and the like do not count. Basically, any content that can be re-downloaded from the servers to your device, doesn't count.

Think of iCloud as more of a syncing service rather than an online storage solution.

mklaman
Jun 20, 2011, 01:45 PM
icloud: mail, contacts, cal, reminders, boomarks, notes, photo stream (different than ALL photos), and find my iphone(geo locations i guess?)...

so i believe that is all that is being synced to icloud...

alex.sebenski
Jun 20, 2011, 01:48 PM
I doubt that number includes anything you've purchased from Apple. This would include photos, videos, documents, settings, and anything else your app lets you upload NOT apps, music, movies, and podcasts. That just wouldn't make sense.

They're already stored on their servers. Your "sync" would just need a reference to their server to download that podcast, app or song when you sync again.

QuarterSwede
Jun 20, 2011, 01:48 PM
icloud: mail, contacts, cal, reminders, boomarks, notes, photo stream (different than ALL photos), and find my iphone(geo locations i guess?)...

so i believe that is all that is being synced to icloud...
Photo stream doesn't count toward storage from what I understand. Instead you get 30 days back and/or 1000 photos.

ufkdo
Jun 20, 2011, 01:49 PM
No, Steve made it clear that music, photos, videos and the like do not count. Basically, any content that can be re-downloaded from the servers to your device, doesn't count.

Think of iCloud as more of a syncing service rather than an online storage solution.

Musics count if what you try to back up is not match with itunes store since you actually need to upload them, not match.

oneofthesedaves
Jun 20, 2011, 01:50 PM
I'm still on the fence about this whole iCloud thing. I like the MobileMe sync services for the most part as I prefer for Google to not have ALL of my info. I know I will certainly utilize those services, but I dunno about all of my docs going up to the cloud and down to my iPhone and iPad.

Can you create separate iCloud accounts that all have the same iTunes username? If not, it is a definite no go. My wife and I don't want each other's MBP's to be in sync with each other for documents, but it would be great if we could just sync the pictures and music. However, I would like to pull up documents from time to time on my iPad and iPhone...but I can already do that with Carbonite. If the speed on this thing is as slow as iDisk, then forget it...

CSCalciano
Jun 20, 2011, 01:57 PM
Anything that YOU make counts to the storage. A few scenarios.
1. I buy Infinity blade (a universal app) on my imaginary iPhone and I don't have it on my imaginary iPad. So I click "redownload." They're not storing anything with apps, music, or movies that they don't already store. It's just a second download. (It can also be configured to automatically download onto the iPad without me doing a thing, but that might fill up storage quickly.)
2. I take a photo. Apple stores it on their servers for 30 days, and I don't have any used storage yet.
3. I make a contact. That uses storage, because apple doesn't already have a copy of that, like they do for apps.

Backup doesn't count your apps. If you restore your iPhone from that backup, then it uses your contacts, etc. but it just registers that you have an app, and doesn't store the actual app.

lazyrighteye
Jun 20, 2011, 02:07 PM
Maybe the $100/yr I've been paying for MM (which included 20 GB of storage) can now be put towards iCloud storage. If so, is it out of line to expect my $100 to garner more than 20 GB of storage since all the other "features" of MobileMe look to be "free" under iCloud?

While aspects of iCloud certainly sound interesting, the devil is always in the details. And in my experience, when Apple (or anyone, for that matter) holds out on the details, it is rarely for the benefit of the end user. In Apple's case, it's typically to avoid an avalanche of bad press from not-so-positive user reaction. You can be sure Steve shared only the details that were sure to get users excited. Now, we sit & wait for the other shoe to drop.

*LTD*
Jun 20, 2011, 02:12 PM
Maybe the $100/yr I've been paying for MM (which included 20 GB of storage) can now be put towards iCloud storage. If so, is it out of line to expect my $100 to garner more than 20 GB of storage since all the other "features" of MobileMe look to be "free" under iCloud?

My question as well.

I have 20 GB storage on MM. I'd expect to be able to get 20 GB with iCloud as well. I wouldn't mind paying a reasonable fee, either. But I'd think the option *should* be there.

baryon
Jun 20, 2011, 02:23 PM
... and mail sent to me.com email addresses will get bounced.

The good old days of "your inbox is full" are back?

jason928
Jun 20, 2011, 02:33 PM
Musics count if what you try to back up is not match with itunes store since you actually need to upload them, not match.

Unmatched music does not count into 5GB, that limit is 25000 songs. See iCloud fineprint #2

5GB limits only applies to for mail (me.com), documents, Camera Roll, account information, settings, and other app data.

nagromme
Jun 20, 2011, 02:59 PM
So does it save only the last backup?

I was wondering the same. I assume it’s just the current state that’s saved, no history/versioning. But what about docs in modern iOS 5/Lion apps that have their own versioning? I’m assuming old versions are Mac-only, but I’m curious.

Regardless, if you do have a Mac/PC, you get a backup there, too (which can even be wireless and automatic). And if THAT machine is backed up with versions/history (as is completely automatic with Apple’s Time Machine software any old external HD or Time Capsule) then it seems that would give you some history-rollback ability: you could retrieve an old backup from any date, and restore the old version via iTunes.

What I want MOST of all, for both local and iCloud backups, is the ability to restore just ONE app’s data. (Say a game crashes and resets my 50 hours of progress... I’ll want to restore that game’s data from backup, but not revert all my work in other apps.)

Icaras
Jun 20, 2011, 03:02 PM
It better not be $99 to buy up to 15GB additional storage.

So...why doesn't this article reveal the pricing options? This is what I'm curious about.

dukeblue91
Jun 20, 2011, 03:06 PM
I'm still on the fence about this whole iCloud thing. I like the MobileMe sync services for the most part as I prefer for Google to not have ALL of my info. I know I will certainly utilize those services, but I dunno about all of my docs going up to the cloud and down to my iPhone and iPad.

Can you create separate iCloud accounts that all have the same iTunes username? If not, it is a definite no go. My wife and I don't want each other's MBP's to be in sync with each other for documents, but it would be great if we could just sync the pictures and music. However, I would like to pull up documents from time to time on my iPad and iPhone...but I can already do that with Carbonite. If the speed on this thing is as slow as iDisk, then forget it...
You can have separate iTunes accounts and separate iCloud accounts.
But this will be a little more work then having one for both.
I'm using my main itunes account for purchases and my separate iCloud account for backups on my iPad as you can't use you MM account at this moment under the developer preview.

I can download all previously purchased apps and songs and it will let me use iCloud to back up to with the two different accounts.

However all my sons iTunes purchases and downloads are under my iTunes account since he is only 10 and anything he downloads from the stores will automatically synch to my other devices unless I turn this feature off.

One of us is going to have to start from scratch with a new iTunes ID to get this all sorted out, and I will have to lie about his age as you have to be 17 to have a iTunes account if I choose it to be him.

Rodimus Prime
Jun 20, 2011, 03:26 PM
I will say that is bad. They really should separate Email storage from iCloud.
It puts it way below the offering from other companies and it is very easy to fill up cloud storage with random stuff. If I had email counting against my 5 gigs in drop box I would be trouble as I have well over a gig in my email and at least 3-4 gigs of stuff in drop box. That does change from time to time but I keep a lot of stuff in my drop box. I would hate to have to worry about keeping it balanced because of my email and calendar ect eatting up to much room.

tonys
Jun 20, 2011, 03:27 PM
I thought this would happen, I think we will be seeing much more of this. How does apple expect you to have less then 2500 songs? P2P enyone? :cool:

ratzzo
Jun 20, 2011, 04:06 PM
How many dollars per GB is the question. These GBs will turn out to be extremely cheap though, seeing how most media (photos, music ..) do not count towards the storage limit.

jlgolson
Jun 20, 2011, 04:16 PM
It better not be $99 to buy up to 15GB additional storage.

So...why doesn't this article reveal the pricing options? This is what I'm curious about.Apple hasn't released that information.

Consultant
Jun 20, 2011, 04:18 PM
I thought this would happen, I think we will be seeing much more of this. How does apple expect you to have less then 2500 songs? P2P enyone? :cool:

Most media does not count. Music you stole does not count and does not sync through iCloud.

inigel
Jun 20, 2011, 04:38 PM
What about iDisks? I currently have between 11-12GB stored on my iDisk.

Looks like I'll have to automatically upgrade when MobileMe is shut down.

milo
Jun 20, 2011, 04:41 PM
Unmatched music does not count into 5GB, that limit is 25000 songs. See iCloud fineprint #2

5GB limits only applies to for mail (me.com), documents, Camera Roll, account information, settings, and other app data.

Nope, you read it wrong. The 25000 song limit includes matched songs, only iTunes purchases are excluded. I can't find it on the Apple site but I believe that unmatched and uploaded songs count against the 5 gig.

25000 uploaded songs could be well over 100 gigs, is it really realistic to think that would be offered along with the streaming and upgrade of matched files for $25 per year?

I thought this would happen, I think we will be seeing much more of this. How does apple expect you to have less then 2500 songs? P2P enyone? :cool:

Where did you get that 2500 number from? The space limit only includes songs NOT matched (meaning not available from the iTunes store). And I doubt many people have that many songs not in the store.

maclaptop
Jun 20, 2011, 06:16 PM
Seems reasonable. Much like when your cellular provider warns you about going over your data cap.

I'd imagine quite a few people will upgrade their storage.

I agree.

Actually it's a bargain as I doubt it will be over the $99 I was already spending on MobileMe.

Plus the extra functionality of iCloud would be worth it to me even if I ended up spending $150 per year.

Fact: You get what you PAY For.

It's a win/win no matter how you look at it.

This is not some low class operation like Dell, this is Apple :)

eNcrypTioN
Jun 20, 2011, 09:51 PM
I wish Apple had a referral program like Dropbox has. It would be nice to be able to earn extra space just by referring others to the service. IKve maxed out on how much free space I can earn (20gbs).

class77
Jun 20, 2011, 10:53 PM
The whole thing I'm hung up over is that I have one Apple ID that has all my songs/apps and I have an Apple ID that has all my Mobile Me info. I have to blend those two to use the cloud, so how is that going to work?

gnasher729
Jun 21, 2011, 04:38 AM
Unmatched music does not count into 5GB, that limit is 25000 songs. See iCloud fineprint #2

5GB limits only applies to for mail (me.com), documents, Camera Roll, account information, settings, and other app data.

_Matched_ music doesn't count against your limit, because Apple isn't going to store it anyway; when you download it, it comes straight from the music store. _Unmatched_ music needs to be uploaded, Apple has to store it, so it counts against your 5 GB limit.

foodog
Jun 21, 2011, 06:54 AM
what exactly counts toward the 5gb quota? is it your phone settings, email setup, contacts, calendars etc.... Or is it music, books, movies, podcasts etc... Or both?

if it's the latter then I would imagine most people will fill up their quota really fast.

Pretty sure they said, anything purchased via iTunes doesn't count as a part of the storage

ttonka71
Jun 21, 2011, 07:46 AM
ok so lets say I have 20000 songs, and only 5000 i purchased from itunes! once my other 15000 songs are matched, will I be able to download the 15000(ripped cd's, amazon purchases ect) songs to my other 9 devices just like the itunes purchases? or those 15000 songs are going to be only streaming? anyone knows for sure how this is going to work? Thnks!:cool:

ravenvii
Jun 21, 2011, 09:55 AM
ok so lets say I have 20000 songs, and only 5000 i purchased from itunes! once my other 15000 songs are matched, will I be able to download the 15000(ripped cd's, amazon purchases ect) songs to my other 9 devices just like the itunes purchases? or those 15000 songs are going to be only streaming? anyone knows for sure how this is going to work? Thnks!:cool:

Just like iTunes purchases. There are no streaming of any kind with iCloud.

I think Apple is making things confusing by putting re-downloading of purchases and iTunes under the iCloud banner.

edwurtle
Jun 21, 2011, 10:21 AM
_Matched_ music doesn't count against your limit, because Apple isn't going to store it anyway; when you download it, it comes straight from the music store. _Unmatched_ music needs to be uploaded, Apple has to store it, so it counts against your 5 GB limit.

yes and no.

iTunes match subscription includes:

unlimited songs purchased from iTunes
25,000 songs that are not purchased from iTunes
None of the above goes towards 5GB limit.


It's that simple, that's the list.

25,000 songs that are not purchased from iTunes include both matched and unmatched songs. Uploaded unmatched songs does not count towards the 5GB limit.

jason928
Jun 21, 2011, 12:29 PM
In iOS 5, is the photostream going to replace the Camera Roll?

Currently if you take pictures in iOS 4, it goes to the Camera Roll. I am wondering if this is still true in iOS 5 with iCloud, will it still go to Camera Roll, or photostream, or both? Since the Camera roll is also backed up and count towards the 5GB, it would be nice to always keep it clean.

On the other hand, since photostream has a limit of 1000 photos, does that mean I will lose photos if I don't move it manually to a custom folder, within 30 days?

d21mike
Jun 21, 2011, 01:36 PM
The whole thing I'm hung up over is that I have one Apple ID that has all my songs/apps and I have an Apple ID that has all my Mobile Me info. I have to blend those two to use the cloud, so how is that going to work?
This has been talked about a lot and I believe you "can" keep them separate. In my case I want to keep them separate so my wife and I can share iTunes Purchases but also keep our Mail, Calendar, Contacts Separate (like now with MM and iTunes).

maclaptop
Jun 21, 2011, 02:21 PM
I'm sure Apple has all the answers, yet by refusing to share them with us, there is a lot of unknown issues to be concerned with.

Here is an article that may help those of you who may not have seen it yet.

http://www.macworld.com/article/160380/2011/06/icloud_what_you_need_to_know.html

d21mike
Jun 21, 2011, 02:43 PM
I'm sure Apple has all the answers, yet by refusing to share them with us, there is a lot of unknown issues to be concerned with.

Here is an article that may help those of you who may not have seen it yet.

http://www.macworld.com/article/160380/2011/06/icloud_what_you_need_to_know.html
Very well written article. That's for the link.

Stampyhead
Jun 22, 2011, 07:51 AM
In iOS 5, is the photostream going to replace the Camera Roll?

Currently if you take pictures in iOS 4, it goes to the Camera Roll. I am wondering if this is still true in iOS 5 with iCloud, will it still go to Camera Roll, or photostream, or both? Since the Camera roll is also backed up and count towards the 5GB, it would be nice to always keep it clean.

On the other hand, since photostream has a limit of 1000 photos, does that mean I will lose photos if I don't move it manually to a custom folder, within 30 days?

The way I understood it after watching the keynote, PhotoStream works like an album on all your devices. It doesn't replace the camera roll. On the iPhone and iPad it saves the last 1000 pictures and on a Mac it saves everything. Photos are deleted from iCloud after 30 days, but they will stay permanently on the device they are taken with and any Mac that is synched with your iCloud.

qubex
Jun 22, 2011, 05:00 PM
I wonder what heinous transfers of intellectual property the EULA will force us to agree to. I wonder to what extent we’ll be barred from doing filesystem-type maintenance on “our” iCloud. I wonder if there’ll be an official way of backing up one’s cloud offline in a format that can be examined, and/or restored. I wonder how any company can tout a UNIX-derived OS that has (iOS) and is attempting to (OSX) hide the filesystem from the user. I wonder if they’ve considered that pumping all this traffic through cellular phone systems will cost users a devastating expense in data fees while simultaneously bringing those networks to their knees.

In short, it strikes me as an idea that deserves to fail for the sake of the common good, but probably won’t. Personally, I’m praying for another Ping fiasco.

maclaptop
Jun 22, 2011, 06:04 PM
It's true that MobileMe was a dud, as was Ping, but something tells me this will work. Not as well as some of us might like, (or perhaps it will?) but I'm thinking Apple has got a formula down where it works well enough to make them a massive amount of income monthly.

Apple always gets the money.

What we will get in return is the big question I have. The more I read the various reports around the web, the more questions I have. Questions I'm not even going to bother posting, since it will be moot in a very short period of time when the service goes live.

At that point Apple will have to disclose the details, even if they do it in an EULA that is ultra fine print and a few hundred pages long. Who knows, but we do know that the money will flow in one direction only, from us to Apple.

Hang onto your hats, it's a new era boys and girls :)

class77
Jun 23, 2011, 12:40 AM
Got one more question. Do we have to have both Lion and ios 5 before iCloud will sync to all your devices?

qubex
Jun 23, 2011, 05:44 AM
Got one more question. Do we have to have both Lion and ios 5 before iCloud will sync to all your devices?

What incentive do they have to back-port it? Of course they're going to push for as uniform a platform-base as possible. The last thing they want is some obscure bug in a release for a defunct OS running on a gadget that hasn't generated revenue for years to screw up a trans-system architecture.

Imagine an ancient Tiger machine is somehow connected to iCloud and does something unexpected - percolating the error onto newer Lion and iOS5 machines subscribed to the same account. The user will get a lousy user experience and will expect it to be rectified, but Apple no longer maintains that OS.

So yes, they'll almost certainly force the software upgrade. It generates revenue and it decreases trouble. It's a double-win for them.

class77
Jun 23, 2011, 09:06 AM
What incentive do they have to back-port it? Of course they're going to push for as uniform a platform-base as possible. The last thing they want is some obscure bug in a release for a defunct OS running on a gadget that hasn't generated revenue for years to screw up a trans-system architecture.

Imagine an ancient Tiger machine is somehow connected to iCloud and does something unexpected - percolating the error onto newer Lion and iOS5 machines subscribed to the same account. The user will get a lousy user experience and will expect it to be rectified, but Apple no longer maintains that OS.

So yes, they'll almost certainly force the software upgrade. It generates revenue and it decreases trouble. It's a double-win for them.

Mobile Me worked regardless of the OS on your computer and did it pretty well. Since iCloud won't work without both Lion and 5, will those who don't plan to upgrade immediately to Lion be able to upgrade to iOS 5 and still have functioning Mobile Me?