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MacRumors
Jun 21, 2011, 07:55 AM
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Apple has quietly updated (http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/) their Time Capsule with 2TB and 3TB models, as expected. Pricing of the new units isn't clear as Apple hasn't updated the retail site, though the splash page still indicates "Starting at $299". There seems to be no mention of any new features aside from the hard drive capacities

Apple has also slightly tweaked the promotional pages for the AirPort Extreme, suggesting that that device has also received a quiet update. But again, no details on spec changes have been revealed.

Update: Apple has now posted store pages for the updated 2 TB (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD032LL/A/Time-Capsule-2TB) ($299) and 3 TB (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD033LL/A/Time-Capsule-3TB) ($499) Time Capsules. The new models offer the same price points as before, but with the upgraded capacities.

Apple has also posted a new store page for the AirPort Extreme (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD031LL/A/AirPort-Extreme), although it is still unclear what improvements are included over the previous generation. Pricing remains at $179.

Article Link: Apple Quietly Updates Time Capsule (2TB and 3TB) and AirPort Extreme (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/21/apple-quietly-updates-time-capsule-2tb-and-3tb-models/)



colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 07:57 AM
Same design, no new features. Meh!

Btrthnezr3
Jun 21, 2011, 07:58 AM
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Love the quiet upgrades. love TC!

It's solid and works.

Rudy69
Jun 21, 2011, 07:58 AM
surprise surprise we don't have a self aware router capable of downloading your porn....uh I mean Apple Updates for you :rolleyes:

JanFredrikB
Jun 21, 2011, 07:59 AM
Eh… That sucks!

MacsRgr8
Jun 21, 2011, 07:59 AM
So much for all the hyping....
Might want the 3 TB one though. :)

utfcmac
Jun 21, 2011, 07:59 AM
LOL... what an update.... :(

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 07:59 AM
I'm actually glad it's the same design. I have been waiting for the new Time Capsule to come out so I can buy one (been wanting to buy one). Now that it's the same, only double the storage, I think I'll be happy because it's what I was expecting to work with (no new features I have to learn, etc.).

I also thought the caching of software updates and stuff was a little too much. I mean, if your internet is 15mbps+, you should be fine just downloading it.

MrVinney96
Jun 21, 2011, 08:01 AM
if you want to buy it its still 1 and 2 TB. for now...:apple:

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 08:01 AM
No wonder they didn't bother bringing the store down!

OrangeSVTguy
Jun 21, 2011, 08:01 AM
What about the airport?

bigpatky
Jun 21, 2011, 08:01 AM
is the increased storage the only known "update" so far?

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 08:03 AM
Base station page still currently showing the old model...

http://www.apple.com/wifi/

Pretty shambolic update!

mrfrosty
Jun 21, 2011, 08:04 AM
They might as well just put a picture of a big curly dog poop on the top. Or a real one.

sudoash
Jun 21, 2011, 08:05 AM
According to http://www.apple.com/wifi/ it says there are "Four Gigabit" ethernet ports -- I thought it only had three?

http://images.apple.com/timecapsule/images/specs_backlabels_20080115.jpg

Darlo770
Jun 21, 2011, 08:06 AM
Disappointment just isn't the word.

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 08:06 AM
Base station page still currently showing the old model...

http://www.apple.com/wifi/

Pretty shambolic update!

The web designers seem to be pretty slow with posting these updates.

Usually, they update the item's page, the store, and they're done.

But this is taking like 30 minutes to post.

Final Cut Pro seemed to take a little long as well, but that panned out quicker.

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 08:08 AM
According to http://www.apple.com/wifi/ it says there are "Four Gigabit" ethernet ports -- I thought it only had three?

Image (http://images.apple.com/timecapsule/images/specs_backlabels_20080115.jpg)

It includes the modem/internet port.

Eduardo1971
Jun 21, 2011, 08:09 AM
Hopefully the Airport Extreme will be updated...

aardwolf
Jun 21, 2011, 08:10 AM
$499 for the 2TB model... LOL

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 08:11 AM
The web designers seem to be pretty slow with posting these updates.

Usually, they update the item's page, the store, and they're done.

Agreed. Should be an install script to copy all the new pages into their correct position, along with a simultaneous sql script to update the store's database.

It's not rocket surgery! ;)

sudoash
Jun 21, 2011, 08:11 AM
It includes the modem/internet port.

Ah, I was hoping it excluded the WAN port. That's cheeky. ;)

toddybody
Jun 21, 2011, 08:11 AM
Yawn. Still overpriced and lacking a much needed overhaul. :(

brav
Jun 21, 2011, 08:11 AM
According to http://www.apple.com/wifi/ it says there are "Four Gigabit" ethernet ports -- I thought it only had three?

Image (http://images.apple.com/timecapsule/images/specs_backlabels_20080115.jpg)

Because 3 + 1 = 4 :P
3 ethernet and 1 'WAN' ethernet port, all Gigabit

EDIT:
Yes it is a bit cheeky

robbieduncan
Jun 21, 2011, 08:12 AM
According to http://www.apple.com/wifi/ it says there are "Four Gigabit" ethernet ports -- I thought it only had three?

Image (http://images.apple.com/timecapsule/images/specs_backlabels_20080115.jpg)

As labelled on the diagram one is the WAN port (for connecting to your xDSL/Cable/whatever router) and the other three are the internal port. This is as per the specs.

D A
Jun 21, 2011, 08:14 AM
No wonder they didn't bother bringing the store down!


It isn't in the store yet, only listing the old models.

fkhan3
Jun 21, 2011, 08:14 AM
Not upgrade worthy + no issues with my current TC, i'll stick to that for now.

MacVault
Jun 21, 2011, 08:14 AM
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Are they finally putting "server-grade" hard drives in these things?

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 08:14 AM
Yawn. Still overpriced and lacking a much needed overhaul. :(

How long has it been since they used a white plastic casing? Besides the Macbook...

I think white plastic casing was standard in their products like 6 years ago.

patseguin
Jun 21, 2011, 08:15 AM
I can't find it on the Apple Store or I'd buy one. Anyone else find it yet?

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 08:16 AM
The only thing apparently upgraded in the Time Capsule is the capacity.

Given that the specs of the TC and AEBS have pretty much been comparable (save for the TC's HD), what on Earth can be new in the AEBS?

acidfast7
Jun 21, 2011, 08:17 AM
I have a few time capsules and would like the extra storage offered by the 3 TB model.

I've run the one at home for almost 3 years (2nd Gen 1 GB) without problems and the two at the office for a year without problems (3rd Gen 2 GB).

Seems durable to me.

However, they are quite loud and it would be nice if Apple would go with a quieter HDD (sometimes the whirring and clicking drives me nuts!!!!!!)

eawmp1
Jun 21, 2011, 08:18 AM
LOL - link from the announcement page takes you to store with only 1 and 2 TB available.

Ninja'd - see above

acidfast7
Jun 21, 2011, 08:20 AM
How long has it been since they used a white plastic casing? Besides the Macbook...

I think white plastic casing was standard in their products like 6 years ago.

I don't really want by "base station" surrounded in aluminum ... thank you very much. I think the MacMini looks like crap with the aluminum/plastic combo.

However, the black molded plastic of the Apple TV could be quite nice!

themoffster
Jun 21, 2011, 08:21 AM
What's the rule of thumb for the size od TM disc you need?
Is it jus tthe size of your hard disc, or the size * 2?

I don't know what i realistically need to get...

djrod
Jun 21, 2011, 08:22 AM
What's the rule of thumb for the size od TM disc you need?
Is it jus tthe size of your hard disc, or the size * 2?

I don't know what i realistically need to get...

*2 better, to save incremental copies

HarryKeogh
Jun 21, 2011, 08:23 AM
Does it do the backups in Retina Display Format?

motulist
Jun 21, 2011, 08:23 AM
How long has it been since they used a white plastic casing? Besides the Macbook...

I think white plastic casing was standard in their products like 6 years ago.

Aluminum isn't very good at letting radio waves pass through, which means it would be a terrible choice of material to build a wireless router.

OrangeSVTguy
Jun 21, 2011, 08:24 AM
How long has it been since they used a white plastic casing? Besides the Macbook...

I think white plastic casing was standard in their products like 6 years ago.

Yes it was. Now its silver(aluminum) and black. Until the next iconic theme comes out, liquid-metal?

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 08:24 AM
*2 better, to save incremental copies

Now I have no choice but to get *2, my Mac has a 1TB hard drive, so I'll be forced to get the 2TB.

pawelthegreat
Jun 21, 2011, 08:25 AM
Really hoping for more aluminum-like design like Mac Mini as the AExpress gets really hot even when not heavily used.

cheops2006
Jun 21, 2011, 08:25 AM
The speed of the WiFi using three antennas now on wireless n 450mbps, of course no one will get these speeds so in other words its rubbish.

The only thing apparently upgraded in the Time Capsule is the capacity.

Given that the specs of the TC and AEBS have pretty much been comparable (save for the TC's HD), what on Earth can be new in the AEBS?

KindredMAC
Jun 21, 2011, 08:26 AM
The only update that I would have liked to have seen would have been the inclusion of AirTunes in the APE and TC. With my current home set up it would be a nice feature so I could get rid of my AirPort Express in the living room and relocate it to an outer bedroom.

Deflorator
Jun 21, 2011, 08:26 AM
One iFixit teardown, please.

funkdaddy
Jun 21, 2011, 08:27 AM
Awww Apple, still no audio out port for Airplay? I would snatch one up if there was...

Deflorator
Jun 21, 2011, 08:28 AM
Awww Apple, still no audio out port for Airplay? I would snatch one up if there was...

Well, still no TB, that is much worse, i think...

carlgo
Jun 21, 2011, 08:29 AM
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Are they finally putting "server-grade" hard drives in these things?

I think it ended up that they did turn out to be server grade, after a lot of people said they weren't. Not sure. There were some definition issues.

Anyway, the quality of the components was never the issue. Somebody who makes these decisions decided that they were too noisy and so cut down the fan action which led to overheating and failure.

Mine is repaired and the fan is modified. It is louder, but vastly cooler. I could always put in a bigger hard drive.

cheops2006
Jun 21, 2011, 08:30 AM
Well, still no TB, that is much worse, i think...

You would only get thunderbolt if it was an intel manufactured MB and I guess it uses an ARM CPU, See?

tigres
Jun 21, 2011, 08:31 AM
The speed of the WiFi using three antennas now on wireless n 450mbps, of course no one will get these speeds so in other words its rubbish.


Where did you see the speed bumps? I was also looking for range increase.

HelveticaNeue
Jun 21, 2011, 08:32 AM
I am feeling conflicted. I am glad there is nothing new about the TC that would require me to upgrade and drop $300. However, I am also a little sad that I don't get to buy any new Apple kit this week :(

mrfoof82
Jun 21, 2011, 08:33 AM
The speed of the WiFi using three antennas now on wireless n 450mbps, of course no one will get these speeds so in other words its rubbish.

Wireless is ALWAYS about theoretical speeds, not actual. The real world makes it impossible for it to hit the theoretical speeds because of obstacles, humans and not working in a vacuum.

I get 120-140Mbps between hosts with my Time Capsule. That's honestly not bad for any wireless technology. Additionally, the new iMacs and MacBook Pros have MIMO support which is also supported by the existing simultaneous dual-band Time Capsules -- realistically that should be good for another 20-40Mbps boost.

The new routers also have six antennas instead of three, so we may see increased throughput on both the 2.4GHz and 5.0GHz bands. They've also improved heat dissipation, power consumption, and reduced noise. Honestly, if I could get 200Mbps over MIMO on the 5GHz band, I'd be very happy with that as a wireless technology.

cheops2006
Jun 21, 2011, 08:33 AM
Where did you see the speed bumps? I was also looking for range increase.

Its my guess based on the fact that the new iMacs use three antennas at max 450mbps.

dlowings
Jun 21, 2011, 08:36 AM
I want to buy one of these but when I ran my review I see a lot of people saying it has about an 18 month life span... I can't see spending 500 bucks for 18 months of storage.. Can anyone speak to the life span, and if this new version might adress that issue ?

Menge
Jun 21, 2011, 08:37 AM
I'm pretty sure my yesterday's-model AirPort Extreme already does 450mbps. I tend to get 50% faster transfers on my new MacBook Pro than on my old Aluminum MacBook.

CheesePuff
Jun 21, 2011, 08:38 AM
With these are you able to mount the hard drive as an external drive and use it to move individual files and what not over to it?

Edit: and do this wirelssly as well?

SicMX
Jun 21, 2011, 08:40 AM
Wireless is too slow for Time Machine. Even my FW800 slows the computer down... I really need to invest in an internal SSD + external SSD with Thunderbolt :D

mrfoof82
Jun 21, 2011, 08:40 AM
I want to buy one of these but when I ran my review I see a lot of people saying it has about an 18 month life span... I can't see spending 500 bucks for 18 months of storage.. Can anyone speak to the life span, and if this new version might adress that issue ?

They've improved heat dissipation to hopefully reduce drives overheating. 2TB drives are more efficient and use fewer platters than they did several years ago, so that helps as well.

Also, if you have AppleCare on a computer, your Time Capsules automatically get covered.

I have an original 2TB. No problems, just works. I've also gifted an older 500GB one to my parents, and a 1TB one (same generation as mine) to my sister. All work like champs.

njn007
Jun 21, 2011, 08:41 AM
Apple store just removed the pages for Airport Extreme and Time Capsule. Time to create those new pages and hopefully better prices!!!

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 08:42 AM
Apple store just removed the pages for Airport Extreme and Time Capsule. Time to create those new pages and hopefully better prices!!!

I just noticed TC, but AE TOO!!!!!

mrfoof82
Jun 21, 2011, 08:42 AM
Wireless is too slow for Time Machine. Even my FW800 slows the computer down... I really need to invest in an internal SSD + external SSD with Thunderbolt :D

No it's not. I back up 800GB of stuff on my 2TB Time Capsule (plus about 70GB from a MacBook Pro). All you care about is it finishes, not how long it takes. Even when I get new media (like a 2GB movie file) it's not the end of the world. Over wireless it takes about 4 - 5 minutes to back it up. Faster backups don't really protect your data any better except in the most extreme cases (coming from someone who does DR/BC consulting for financial services companies) -- in which then you should have redundant systems for high availability anyways.

snebes
Jun 21, 2011, 08:45 AM
Products are live in the store now. Same pricing

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD031LL/A/AirPort-Extreme?fnode=MTY1NDEyMQ&mco=MjI5NTk5MTM&s=topSellers

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD032LL/A/Time-Capsule-2TB?mco=MjI5NjEzMDQ

imola.zhp
Jun 21, 2011, 08:45 AM
Glad to hear nothing is new, my 1TB TC works fine, no reason to "upgrade" if the only change is storage size...

Oh and BTW guys, there are other sources just as good as apple.com to buy apple products. If you can be patient and wait a few months, you'll usually save some cash...

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 08:47 AM
The new routers also have six antennas instead of three, so we may see increased throughput on both the 2.4GHz and 5.0GHz bands. They've also improved heat dissipation, power consumption, and reduced noise. Honestly, if I could get 200Mbps over MIMO on the 5GHz band, I'd be very happy with that as a wireless technology.

Don't see anything yet that says the new routers have more antennas, better power consumption, reduced noise, etc.

NightFox
Jun 21, 2011, 08:48 AM
So, is this being sold as the 4th Gen or still the 3rd Gen with larger capacity?

SicMX
Jun 21, 2011, 08:48 AM
No it's not. I back up 800GB of stuff on my 2TB Time Capsule (plus about 70GB from a MacBook Pro). All you care about is it finishes, not how long it takes. Even when I get new media (like a 2GB movie file) it's not the end of the world. Over wireless it takes about 4 - 5 minutes to back it up. Faster backups don't really protect your data any better except in the most extreme cases (coming from someone who does DR/BC consulting for financial services companies) -- in which then you should have redundant systems for high availability anyways.

Editing pictures in Lightroom/Photoshop really slows down during Time Machine backups, at least for me. Obviously only when there is a lot of new stuff to backup, but still. As my MBP only has a 500gb HD i'm moving around photos a lot which means timemachine is often backing up 20gb + of data at which point the system really slows down.

eldertong
Jun 21, 2011, 08:49 AM
$499

IFRS
Jun 21, 2011, 08:49 AM
Curious which firmware version is loaded on the new AE/TC. Only difference I can find is the "2 & 3tb server grade" hdd.

njn007
Jun 21, 2011, 08:50 AM
New products are indeed live now in the regular store.

If, however, you are like me and waiting for your school/business to have them with the discounted pricing, they have yet to put them up yet in special stores.

randomrazr
Jun 21, 2011, 08:50 AM
Wireless is ALWAYS about theoretical speeds, not actual. The real world makes it impossible for it to hit the theoretical speeds because of obstacles, humans and not working in a vacuum.

I get 120-140Mbps between hosts with my Time Capsule. That's honestly not bad for any wireless technology. Additionally, the new iMacs and MacBook Pros have MIMO support which is also supported by the existing simultaneous dual-band Time Capsules -- realistically that should be good for another 20-40Mbps boost.

The new routers also have six antennas instead of three, so we may see increased throughput on both the 2.4GHz and 5.0GHz bands. They've also improved heat dissipation, power consumption, and reduced noise. Honestly, if I could get 200Mbps over MIMO on the 5GHz band, I'd be very happy with that as a wireless technology.

ur sayin the neew time capsules are better? it only seems the only thing changed is capacity

WiiDSmoker
Jun 21, 2011, 08:52 AM
I don't see any different from the old AE to the new one??? Someone explain or point it out.

BJonson
Jun 21, 2011, 08:54 AM
Are these not new features?


- Integrated power supply
- Simultaneous 2.4 and 5ghz

World Citizen
Jun 21, 2011, 08:55 AM
Crap now i will have to buy an mac mini...
this is just to much money for an HDD with router.

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 08:56 AM
I don't see any different from the old AE to the new one??? Someone explain or point it out.

It means small refinements at best.

alm99
Jun 21, 2011, 08:56 AM
Ugh, underwhelming update.

Now I can't decide on whether or not to go refurbed AEBS with external hard drive or go for the 2tb TC.

robbieduncan
Jun 21, 2011, 08:57 AM
Are these not new features?


- Integrated power supply
- Simultaneous 2.4 and 5ghz

My existing TimeCapsule has both of those so no.

NAG
Jun 21, 2011, 08:58 AM
Are these not new features?


- Integrated power supply
- Simultaneous 2.4 and 5ghz

No, they have had simultaneous since the last revision and the integrated power supply was at least since then too.

BJonson
Jun 21, 2011, 08:58 AM
My existing TimeCapsule has both of those so no.

so much for that then LOL!

NightFox
Jun 21, 2011, 08:58 AM
But why would just an increase in HD size require new FCC filings by Apple?

I'm really hoping for more than this, maybe even a improvement on my 2nd gen TC that can't even manage to stream airtunes to an Airport Express in line of site less than 3m away :-(

PorterRocks
Jun 21, 2011, 08:58 AM
I don't see any different from the old AE to the new one??? Someone explain or point it out.

I think they've only bumped the capacities to 2TB and 3TB. It seems they're still updating the Time Capsule page as the "Buy Now" button doesn't direct you anywhere.

Sodner
Jun 21, 2011, 08:58 AM
Well one one hand I could use more space and the 3 TB TC is calling my name, on the other hand I just spent a lot of cash to get my car fixed up. :confused:

So thanks Apple -- for the mediocre upgrade, I feel okay to pass on it. ;)

Fraaaa
Jun 21, 2011, 08:59 AM
The TC has an updated badge, the AirPort extreme doesn't.

adambadamh
Jun 21, 2011, 09:00 AM
Looks like someone at Apple jumped the gun here this morning. Has anyone actually been able to order the new products?

EDIT: Ok now its all working.

sevimli
Jun 21, 2011, 09:00 AM
$499, really?:(

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 09:00 AM
Are these not new features?


- Integrated power supply
- Simultaneous 2.4 and 5ghz

no and no.

jowie
Jun 21, 2011, 09:00 AM
Same design, no new features. Meh!
From store:

"New technologies in Time Capsule and refinements to Time Machine make backing up to Time Capsule using Snow Leopard up to 75 per cent faster than before."

Aelton
Jun 21, 2011, 09:01 AM
Pretty sure I know the answer to this (no...) but if I connect an external drive to the AEBS can the ATV2 access data stored on it?

Maltz
Jun 21, 2011, 09:01 AM
Are these not new features?


- Integrated power supply
- Simultaneous 2.4 and 5ghz

I'm not sure about the power supply, but they've been able to do simultaneous 2.4 and 5GHz for a while now.

I'm REALLY disappointed in this update. They're charging in the ballpark of really high-end routers from other companies, and while I do think Apple's routers are among the most reliable out there, they lack several features that are standard on high-end offerings from other companies, QoS in particular.

AppliedMicro
Jun 21, 2011, 09:02 AM
"New technologies in Time Capsule and refinements to Time Machine make backing up to Time Capsule using Snow Leopard up to 75 per cent faster than before."
Faster than using Leopard (10.5), that is.

acidfast7
Jun 21, 2011, 09:02 AM
I want to buy one of these but when I ran my review I see a lot of people saying it has about an 18 month life span... I can't see spending 500 bucks for 18 months of storage.. Can anyone speak to the life span, and if this new version might adress that issue ?

I believe that the 1st Gen TC had a life span of 18 months. We had one of the first models (500 GB) at work and it lasted exactly 18 months. I currently have a 2nd Gen 1 TB at home that has been in continuous usage since Jan 2009, and I haven't had any problems (30 months) other than a few firmware updates. I just zeroed it last night because we now have 3 machines at home (a unibody MB, a Blackbook and a MBA) at home and wanted to get a fresh image of each before updating to Lion at some point.

My only complaint about the 2 Gen TC is that it is somewhat loud. I never hear the fan, but I often hear the clicking and whirring of the HDD. It should be noted that the apartment we live in has brick/concrete walls and ceilings and marble floors, so some of the noise is likely reverberated compared to living space with carpets or some other soft materials.

At work, we also have 2 3rd Gen 2 TB TCs and we haven't had any problems with them backing up 3-5 different machines on a regular basis. It also seems that the HDDs in the 3rd Gen are somewhat less obtrusive, but I haven't done any side-to-side comparisons.

Hope that helps.

sesnir
Jun 21, 2011, 09:02 AM
I want to buy one of these but when I ran my review I see a lot of people saying it has about an 18 month life span... I can't see spending 500 bucks for 18 months of storage.. Can anyone speak to the life span, and if this new version might adress that issue ?

I bought a 2TB Time Capsule when they were first released (despite hearing about the 18 month lifespan) and next month marks 2 years with the device.

No problems yet... but I'm prepared. I have a USB external HDD plugged into it which I use to backup my Time Capsule. I don't use it for Time Machine.

G4DP
Jun 21, 2011, 09:02 AM
£399 for the 3TB, well done. more than three times the price of other 3TB drives.

They aren't going to sell many of them in the UK.

Cheerwino
Jun 21, 2011, 09:05 AM
Crap now i will have to buy an mac mini...
this is just to much money for an HDD with router.

I'm with you. I was hoping for some kind of "server lite" that could house my music and video. Perhaps that was unreasonable or not possible. Now it looks like I'll need an Airport Extreme and the new Mac Mini (Server), which seems like overkill.

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 09:07 AM
Pretty sure I know the answer to this (no...) but if I connect an external drive to the AEBS can the ATV2 access data stored on it?

If you move your iTunes library there. But still need a computer on because ATV talks to iTunes first.

The solution is a Mac Mini. I've come to that conclusion at least.

314631
Jun 21, 2011, 09:07 AM
£399 for the 3TB, well done. more than three times the price of other 3TB drives.

They aren't going to sell many of them in the UK.

They will sell like hotcakes I promise you. 3TB of storage for £399 is truly a breakthrough price when you consider all the really cool technology incorporated into the Time Capsule family of products. A Windows PC with a 3TB drive will cost you a lot more than £399 and will take up a lot more space, use more electricity and be prone to all the usual flaws associated with Microsoft products.

unobtainium
Jun 21, 2011, 09:07 AM
In the Canadian store, the AEBS is now $159 with an education discount. Pretty sure it used to be $179. So maybe the education discount has been increased?

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 09:08 AM
I'm with you. I was hoping for some kind of "server lite" that could house my music and video. Perhaps that was unreasonable or not possible. Now it looks like I'll need an Airport Extreme and the new Mac Mini (Server), which seems like overkill.

Feel the same way.

Texran
Jun 21, 2011, 09:09 AM
Wasn't the previous 1TB time capsule priced at 299.00 and the 2 TB at 499.00

iSee
Jun 21, 2011, 09:09 AM
What's the rule of thumb for the size od TM disc you need?
Is it jus tthe size of your hard disc, or the size * 2?

I don't know what i realistically need to get...

I'd go for a minimum of 2 X space used.
E.g., I have a MBP with 500 GB drive, but generally I only use about 200 GB. So 400 GB is a good minimum for me for that computer.

Darlo770
Jun 21, 2011, 09:10 AM
Remember, firmware updates can always open the door to features we were all hyped up for today. But realistically, this is Apple, there's hardly any chance they will conform to common standards like UPnP/DLNA.

So much for iOS based firmware and new CPUs too. Still, I'm eager to see an iFixit teardown.

WiiDSmoker
Jun 21, 2011, 09:10 AM
They will sell like hotcakes I promise you. 3TB of storage for £399 is truly a breakthrough price when you consider all the really cool technology incorporated into the Time Capsule family of products. A Windows PC with a 3TB drive will cost you a lot more than £399 and will take up a lot more space, use more electricity and be prone to all the usual flaws associated with Microsoft products.

Stop trying to justify the ridiculous price. It really makes you look lame.

Al1n
Jun 21, 2011, 09:12 AM
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alm99
Jun 21, 2011, 09:12 AM
Wasn't the previous 1TB time capsule priced at 299.00 and the 2 TB at 499.00

Yes.

Mooperface
Jun 21, 2011, 09:13 AM
Why is it that you only can stream music with the airport express? I have a really old express...like 6 years and music is breaking up if i stream a youttubeclip at the same time or sometimes just out of the blue. I want to upgrade to fix this problem, but it seems that timecapsule or extrem both cant stream music.... is that true?

theSeb
Jun 21, 2011, 09:13 AM
Clicking on buy now for both the TC and the Airport Extreme takes you to a page not found.

acidfast7
Jun 21, 2011, 09:13 AM
Stop trying to justify the ridiculous price. It really makes you look lame.

I actually think it's reasonable value for money ... and I'm not trolling. What 3 TB storage option would you compare it with? How much am I really overspending?

Slider
Jun 21, 2011, 09:14 AM
Wasn't the previous 1TB time capsule priced at 299.00 and the 2 TB at 499.00

Yes. In the UK we have £239 vs £396 (obviously get shafted on exchange rates)
Looks like you get a TB for free.

gnasher729
Jun 21, 2011, 09:15 AM
£399 for the 3TB, well done. more than three times the price of other 3TB drives.

They aren't going to sell many of them in the UK.

I checked at dabs.com. You can't even get an external 3TB drive for £133. The cheapest NAS with 3TB is £258 with fewer features. So nice rant, but would be good to stay with the truth.


Yes. In the UK we have £239 vs £396 (obviously get shafted on exchange rates)
Looks like you get a TB for free.

So what did you forget when you complained about the exchange rate?

AppliedMicro
Jun 21, 2011, 09:16 AM
The solution is a Mac Mini. I've come to that conclusion at least.
Mac mini will also "officially"* store Time Machine Backups. :)

* being supported by Apple, as opposed to external disks on AirPort Extreme.

fivenotrump
Jun 21, 2011, 09:16 AM
Also, if you have AppleCare on a computer, your Time Capsules automatically get covered.


Is this true?

appleforever
Jun 21, 2011, 09:16 AM
Looks like someone at Apple jumped the gun here this morning. Has anyone actually been able to order the new products?

I ordered a 2TB Time Capsule of the new model this morning... Finely they released the new product... :apple::apple:

scottparker999
Jun 21, 2011, 09:16 AM
Yes. In the UK we have £239 vs £396 (obviously get shafted on exchange rates)
Looks like you get a TB for free.

... seriously shafted!

G4DP
Jun 21, 2011, 09:17 AM
They will sell like hotcakes I promise you. 3TB of storage for £399 is truly a breakthrough price when you consider all the really cool technology incorporated into the Time Capsule family of products. A Windows PC with a 3TB drive will cost you a lot more than £399 and will take up a lot more space, use more electricity and be prone to all the usual flaws associated with Microsoft products.

You don't even know enough of what you're on about to make something that reads correctly. This has nothing to do with Microsoft or computers. Time Capsule is a hard drive with a ariel stuck to it. If your intelligent enough to think this is value for money you'll soon be on Steve Jobs Christmas card list.

You can by Seagate and many other 3TB external drives for £130.

I guess the saying is still true. A fool and his money are easily parted.

Kinobi
Jun 21, 2011, 09:17 AM
What would be a major disadvantage by using software solutions like SugarSync or CrashPlan vs TC?

logandzwon
Jun 21, 2011, 09:18 AM
I agree with all the "disappointing" posts.

Bubba Satori
Jun 21, 2011, 09:19 AM
"Computer peripherals are truck parts. We don't care."

HE15MAN
Jun 21, 2011, 09:19 AM
Any change to the Airport Extreme yet?

Thex1138
Jun 21, 2011, 09:20 AM
TC backs up delta's rather than the whole thing...
Why back up unchanged system files and structures from one to the next repeatedly...
If user files and settings are all that change then just update those in the back up.
The data world is moving to the delta region...
:rolleyes:

World Citizen
Jun 21, 2011, 09:20 AM
You don't even know enough of what you're on about to make something that reads correctly. This has nothing to do with Microsoft or computers. Time Capsule is a hard drive with a ariel stuck to it. If your intelligent enough to think this is value for money you'll soon be on Steve Jobs Christmas card list.

You can by Seagate and many other 3TB external drives for £130.

I guess the saying is still true. A fool and his money are easily parted.

I am with you... its a lot of money.

But your Seagate has no Router or Accespoint and cannot intergrate in you Apple network as well as the TC.

logandzwon
Jun 21, 2011, 09:20 AM
wait a minute, all the links went dead, maybe something better is coming?

CplBadboy
Jun 21, 2011, 09:21 AM
Disappointment just isn't the word.

I agree. Black is what they should have been or something a bit more pleasing to the eye. White is just wrong. Very wrong. Boring in fact.

iJon
Jun 21, 2011, 09:22 AM
Is this true?

This is not true, Apple ended that service well over a year ago.

They did indeed used to cover Airports under Applecare but those days are gone.

gkpm
Jun 21, 2011, 09:23 AM
Time Capsule is a hard drive with a ariel stuck to it. You can by Seagate and many other 3TB external drives for £130.

I guess the saying is still true. A fool and his money are easily parted.

Do those Seagate drives work as a NAS, have dual band Wifi or just wifi for that matter - or work as a Wifi router with 4 gigabit ports?

Hard drive with a ariel [sic] stuck to it.

Think I see who the fool is in this story.

jowie
Jun 21, 2011, 09:23 AM
£399 for the 3TB, well done. more than three times the price of other 3TB drives.

They aren't going to sell many of them in the UK.
Where are you buying your 3TB drives from? An internal drive (Hitachi Deskstar - just the drive on its own!) costs £129. The Time Capsule is much much more.

And where did you get £399 from? They haven't listed them in the UK yet.

G4DP
Jun 21, 2011, 09:24 AM
I am with you... its a lot of money.

But your Seagate has no Router or Accespoint and cannot intergrate in you Apple network as well as the TC.


True but for an extra £30 you get this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004E5MOPG/ref=asc_df_B004E5MOPG3292126?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004E5MOPG

gnasher, you didn't look very hard did you. Maybe not three times, but still more than twice the price of other options.

Hardtimes
Jun 21, 2011, 09:24 AM
Seriously embarrassing for apple.
Selling last years technology with added space, with ZERO innovation. Lazy.

Its as if they are opening the doors to the competition.

drunet
Jun 21, 2011, 09:25 AM
I have seen online and in the forums where folks have been replacing the TC drives on their own. Has anyone successfully done this with a 3TB drive on the TC? AS I understand it, there are some limitations as to what the hardware will recognize. If it does work then why not just replace your drive wit a new 3TB Green WD and be done with it?

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 09:26 AM
I actually think it's reasonable value for money ... and I'm not trolling. What 3 TB storage option would you compare it with? How much am I really overspending?

WEll they are charging you an extra $200 to get a 3TB storage option when at retail a 3TB drive is $70 more than a 2TB drive at most.


And that's comparing it another Apple product.

3 TB drives are $150 at retail. You're being asked to pay $200 to go from a 2TB to 3TB hard drive.


It's a large markup.

Even for Apple standards. The $500 TC has always been a very high margin product. UP there with the $300 ram upgrades of the past and current BTO options.

But hey folks that buy the higher margin Apple stuff aka the more expensive models help subsidize the pricepoints of the base models.

G4DP
Jun 21, 2011, 09:26 AM
Where are you buying your 3TB drives from? An internal drive (Hitachi Deskstar - just the drive on its own!) costs £129. The Time Capsule is much much more.

And where did you get £399 from? They haven't listed them in the UK yet.

Just goggle External 3TB drives. search on the Apple Store. They aren't difficult to bloody find.

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 09:27 AM
And where did you get £399 from? They haven't listed them in the UK yet.

Ta-da...

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MD033B/A/Time-Capsule-3TB?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

gkpm
Jun 21, 2011, 09:28 AM
This is not true, Apple ended that service well over a year ago.

They did indeed used to cover Airports under Applecare but those days are gone.

No it didn't end. They are still covered under the Mac's Applecare, read the T&C and don't go around telling lies:


Under APP, Apple covers the Covered Equipment and one compatible Apple branded display if purchased at the same time and registered with a covered Mac computer. An Apple-branded mouse and keyboard are also covered under APP if included with the Covered Equipment (or purchased
with a Mac mini). An AirPort Extreme Card, an AirPort Express or AirPort Extreme Base Station, Time Capsule, an Apple-branded DVI to ADC display adapter, Apple RAM modules and MacBook Air SuperDrive are also covered under APP if used with the compatible Covered Equipment and originally purchased by you up to two years before your Mac purchase or during the term of your APP.

World Citizen
Jun 21, 2011, 09:29 AM
True but for an extra £30 you get this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004E5MOPG/ref=asc_df_B004E5MOPG3292126?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004E5MOPG

gnasher, you didn't look very hard did you. Maybe not three times, but still more than twice the price of other options.

Yeah but then you dont have the Apple spirit of everything in the same style, and one device for all...

TC is Backup+ accespoint + Router + switch + host for Printer or Extra USB disk.

And there is no other device that does this...
Besides it looks like an Apple product and thats nice I think

But still if you dont mind 5 different devices.. this is to expensive.

GemDetective
Jun 21, 2011, 09:31 AM
This is not true, Apple ended that service well over a year ago.

They did indeed used to cover Airports under Applecare but those days are gone.

No, that's not correct. The current page for the iMac AppleCare plan reads:

Apple hardware coverage
The AppleCare Protection Plan provides global repair coverage, both parts and labor, from Apple-authorized technicians around the world. Apple hardware coverage includes:

Your Mac computer
Included accessories such as the power adapter
Apple memory (RAM)
AirPort Express Base Station, AirPort Extreme Base Station, or Time Capsule2
Apple display purchased with your Mac

AppliedMicro
Jun 21, 2011, 09:31 AM
Also, if you have AppleCare on a computer, your Time Capsules automatically get covered.
Is this true?
This is not true, Apple ended that service well over a year ago.

They did indeed used to cover Airports under Applecare but those days are gone.
Then why does Apple still advertise it? (In addition confirming this to me on the phone just 3 or 4 weeks ago)


"What’s covered — Mac
AirPort Express Base Station, AirPort Extreme Base Station, or Time Capsule2

The AirPort device or Time Capsule must be purchased up to two years before your Mac purchase or during the term of your AppleCare Protection Plan coverage"

http://www.apple.com/support/products/mac.html


"Extended service and support
The AppleCare Protection Plan for your computer covers Time Capsule."

http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/specs.html

gkpm
Jun 21, 2011, 09:31 AM
True but for an extra £30 you get this.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004E5MOPG/ref=asc_df_B004E5MOPG3292126?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004E5MOPG

gnasher, you didn't look very hard did you. Maybe not three times, but still more than twice the price of other options.

I don't see any Wifi or Router functions on that one.

Maybe you'll have to go a bit higher in cost.

hppy29
Jun 21, 2011, 09:31 AM
This is not true, Apple ended that service well over a year ago.

They did indeed used to cover Airports under Applecare but those days are gone.

Apple Care for iMac still shows:

Apple hardware coverage

The AppleCare Protection Plan provides global repair coverage, both parts and labor, from Apple-authorized technicians around the world. Apple hardware coverage includes:

Your Mac computer
Included accessories such as the power adapter
Apple memory (RAM)
AirPort Express Base Station, AirPort Extreme Base Station, or Time Capsule
Apple display purchased with your Mac

Frosticus
Jun 21, 2011, 09:32 AM
The page you're looking for can't be found.

FFS... :rolleyes:

TheSilencer
Jun 21, 2011, 09:33 AM
Is this true?

Yes it is. You can add an Airport device to an Mac within 2 years, so it is possible to gain nearly 5 years of coverage with APP though that means one year without.

I did that with a 1st gen TC from 2008, added it to my Mac Pro 2009 and as the TC broke (fried PSU) I got a replacement unit and data retrieval for free and it is still covered with APP more than an year now.

Frosticus
Jun 21, 2011, 09:33 AM
Ta-da...

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MD033B/A/Time-Capsule-3TB?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY

Page not found... :confused:

acidfast7
Jun 21, 2011, 09:34 AM
You don't even know enough of what you're on about to make something that reads correctly. This has nothing to do with Microsoft or computers. Time Capsule is a hard drive with a ariel stuck to it. If your intelligent enough to think this is value for money you'll soon be on Steve Jobs Christmas card list.

You can by Seagate and many other 3TB external drives for £130.

I guess the saying is still true. A fool and his money are easily parted.

So, I guess that the HDD will walk around to all three laptops in the apartment, plug itself in, back up all 3 laptops, eject itself, unplug itself, walk back to the shelf and put itself away. Also, it will repeat this every hour the laptops are active and will continue to do this for at least 30 months (the duration of my current 3rd Gen 2 GB TC in the apartment).

So, I guess that I'm confused by your statement. It could be that your time has no value and thus you do not mind carrying out these steps every hour :D

314631
Jun 21, 2011, 09:34 AM
The page you're looking for can't be found.

FFS... :rolleyes:

:eek:

I will be getting my order in as soon as the page is up. I fully expect shortages of these due to demand like the iPhone and iPad when refreshed. Do not hesitate, jump onto the world's most advanced backup solution today!

lowonthe456
Jun 21, 2011, 09:34 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8J2 Safari/6533.18.5)

So cuttIng thru the ****, it looks like it won't host my iTunes. That sucks, with iOS devices cutting the cord, that would mean more iTunes sales to iOS only households.

Since m hopes are dashed, how do. Wirelessl host my iTunes movies for ATV? Can I put my movies folder on a TC and use an alias in the iTunes folder structure? I don't care that I need iTunes running but my hard drive is near full with movies

jowie
Jun 21, 2011, 09:35 AM
Just goggle External 3TB drives. search on the Apple Store. They aren't difficult to bloody find.
Says it all.

CplBadboy
Jun 21, 2011, 09:36 AM
Yeah but then you dont have the Apple spirit of everything in the same style, and one device for all...

TC is Backup+ accespoint + Router + switch + host for Printer or Extra USB disk.

And there is no other device that does this...
Besides it looks like an Apple product and thats nice I think

But still if you dont mind 5 different devices.. this is to expensive.

The 'new' extreme price was also an anti climax. its merely had a 7 GBP price drop here in the UK. Woopity do! Stop the press! Lets all have a fanfare! Nice one Apple, just one problem is still looks like a frickin fridge that would only look suitable somewhere in the Kitchen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jens Engels
Jun 21, 2011, 09:37 AM
Probably 2TB and 3TB SSD :D

jowie
Jun 21, 2011, 09:37 AM
Ta-da...

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MD033B/A/Time-Capsule-3TB?mco=MTY3ODQ5OTY
That's a lotta dolla!*


*pounds

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 09:39 AM
Page not found... :confused:

Works for me...

:confused:

MrVinney96
Jun 21, 2011, 09:39 AM
You still can't buy them! It says: "Page not found". :mad::apple:

acidfast7
Jun 21, 2011, 09:41 AM
WEll they are charging you an extra $200 to get a 3TB storage option when at retail a 3TB drive is $70 more than a 2TB drive at most.


And that's comparing it another Apple product.

3 TB drives are $150 at retail. You're being asked to pay $200 to go from a 2TB to 3TB hard drive.


It's a large markup.

Even for Apple standards. The $500 TC has always been a very high margin product. UP there with the $300 ram upgrades of the past and current BTO options.

But hey folks that buy the higher margin Apple stuff aka the more expensive models help subsidize the pricepoints of the base models.

I agree that stepping up to the top-spec'd TC has always been pricey. Very pricey, in fact.

However, I think that it will be difficult to beat everything that the TC does (nevermind even really find it) in another single device. IMHO, it's really worth paying the premium (at least for the smaller capacity TC) over having a few other devices.

davwil
Jun 21, 2011, 09:41 AM
Can you mount it vertically on a wall?

http://www.apple.com/uk/airportextreme/specs.html

Mentions nothing about that.

Cheers David

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 09:41 AM
Why is it that you only can stream music with the airport express? I have a really old express...like 6 years and music is breaking up if i stream a youttubeclip at the same time or sometimes just out of the blue. I want to upgrade to fix this problem, but it seems that timecapsule or extrem both cant stream music.... is that true?

That's Apple. Never a company to supply all the features you could want for better or worse.

Mr. Gates
Jun 21, 2011, 09:43 AM
$200 for an extra TB ???

Outrageous !

fat jez
Jun 21, 2011, 09:43 AM
Anyone know what they mean by this?

"Works with iPad, iPhone, Apple TV and more.

Time Capsule works with Mac computers, PCs, iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, Apple TV and virtually all 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi wireless devices — all at the same time."

I presume they mean the network aspect works, not that they can backup to a Time Capsule?

*edit* And they still talk about Mobile Me on that page too

jowie
Jun 21, 2011, 09:44 AM
3 TB drives are $150 at retail. You're being asked to pay $200 to go from a 2TB to 3TB hard drive.
True, but if Apple are still using some kind of server grade HD, these can be a lot more expensive. Anything up to about £250 in the UK.

mrfoof82
Jun 21, 2011, 09:44 AM
ur sayin the neew time capsules are better? it only seems the only thing changed is capacity

Yes. There were mentions of this previously on the front page.

As for the Time Capsule and AirPort Extreme, MICGadget claims that the devices are newly designed with better heat dissipation than previous models. They claim that the new TimeCapsule has a lower TDP and low power consumption hard drive using Apple firmware, while the AirPort Extreme has improved signal strength with six antennas built in. Finally, they echo previous claims that the Time Capsule will serve as a caching system for software updates in Lion and iOS 5.

99% of buyers don't care about "improved heat dissipation", they just care about getting covered by warranty if it breaks. Enthusiasts like us do. They also have six internal antennas, whereas the older ones had three. Again, most people don't care about things being a bit faster. Enthusiasts do.

AwakenedLands
Jun 21, 2011, 09:45 AM
Wow a single drive for backup still...

Murl
Jun 21, 2011, 09:46 AM
Should there be an education discount for these?

Mr. Gates
Jun 21, 2011, 09:47 AM
290516


Tried to find the Airport

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 09:48 AM
290516


Tried to find the Airport

Now when you click "Buy Now" for Time Capsule, it links you to the old store page of 1TB and 2TB.

gkpm
Jun 21, 2011, 09:49 AM
Should there be an education discount for these?

There is, and it's a good one (UK academic prices):

3Tb for £355.20
2Tb for £222.00

Frosticus
Jun 21, 2011, 09:51 AM
290516


Tried to find the Airport

Computer says no.. :(

nylonsteel
Jun 21, 2011, 09:53 AM
They might as well just put a picture of a big curly dog poop on the top. Or a real one.

your post gave me a good laugh this morning - thank you

manu chao
Jun 21, 2011, 09:54 AM
"New technologies in Time Capsule and refinements to Time Machine make backing up to Time Capsule using Snow Leopard up to 75 per cent faster than under Leopard."
Here, clarified that for you.

amac4me
Jun 21, 2011, 09:54 AM
Pages on the US Apple Store:

2TB
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD032LL/A/Time-Capsule-2TB?mco=MjI5NjEzMDQ

3TB
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD033LL/A/Time-Capsule-3TB?mco=MjI5NjEzMDU

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 09:55 AM
I agree that stepping up to the top-spec'd TC has always been pricey. Very pricey, in fact.

However, I think that it will be difficult to beat everything that the TC does (nevermind even really find it) in another single device. IMHO, it's really worth paying the premium (at least for the smaller capacity TC) over having a few other devices.

Maybe. Or just use the free router from your ISP that works just as good (and in my case it have to use the modem inside it anyway) and plug in an $80 external hard drive into your laptop once a week.

My 1TB hard drive external only cost me $30. Admittedly I got a great deal and it is a refurb, but.....

it backs up faster too that way.

I'm new to laptops, but I would turn off TM even if I had a TC because I wouldn't want the hourly backups to slow my already slow 5400 rpm hard drive down.

Then what? I have to leave my MBP open and sitting there for backups perhaps making sure it is plugged in if the battery is low for the backup?

I'm charging my MBP all the time anyway so doesn't seem like more work to reach for the external hard drive and connect it up too once in awhile.

I'm not anal about the hourly backups. If I'm really paranoid because I'm working on an important project then there's always saving to an SD card.

I do like that the $300 TC finally has 2TB of storage. Before the $300 option always seemed like not quite enough storage to justify purchasing it. NOw the storage has reached a point where I can say hey this can last me awhile.

FearlessFreep
Jun 21, 2011, 09:55 AM
So I see no changes in the Airport Express at all. Not bad as it's a rock-solid router --just no reason to upgrade either.

fat jez
Jun 21, 2011, 09:56 AM
So I see no changes in the Airport Express at all. Not bad as it's a rock-solid router --just no reason to upgrade either.

To be fair, they could all be running iOS under the hood and we'd be none the wiser if the interface is the same.

zin
Jun 21, 2011, 09:56 AM
The “New to the Store” section isn’t currently showing any of Apple's AirPort products.

acidfast7
Jun 21, 2011, 09:57 AM
Nice typo.

Cheerwino
Jun 21, 2011, 09:57 AM
The Apple line seems to need an Apple NAS-type solution. I've been looking into NAS and it all sounds so clunky to a non-techie like me. Sure, I'd be willing to pay more for Apple to make it easier.

Was really hoping Apple was cooking up something like this around the Time Capsule/Airport Extreme. If I could just get my music onto something I could stream from. I know there are third party solutions, but the more reliable and easy ones are as much as a Mini, which sounds like it could more than handle it, if I could figure out how to configure.

Okay, I'll quit my moaning and wait to see the new Mini Server... :confused::apple:

Frosticus
Jun 21, 2011, 09:58 AM
Can you mount it vertically on a wall?

http://www.apple.com/uk/airportextreme/specs.html

Mentions nothing about that.

Cheers David

You can with this:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TV675LL/A?fnode=MTY1NDA0Mg&mco=MTMzNzcxNTY

acidfast7
Jun 21, 2011, 10:00 AM
Maybe. Or just use the free router from your ISP that works just as good (and in my case it have to use the modem inside it anyway) and plug in an $80 external hard drive into your laptop once a week.

My 1TB hard drive external only cost me $30. Admittedly I got a great deal and it is a refurb, but.....

it backs up faster too that way.

I'm new to laptops, but I would turn off TM even if I had a TC because I wouldn't want the hourly backups to slow my already slow 5400 rpm hard drive down.

Then what? I have to leave my MBP open and sitting there perhaps making sure it is plugged in if the battery is low for the backup?

I'm charging my MBP all the time anyway so doesn't much more to reach for the external hard drive and connect it up too once in awhile.

I'm not anal about the hourly backups. If I'm really paranoid because I'm working on an important project then there's always saving to an SD card.

First, the router doesn't work as "good." It may work as "well," but I doubt it. Also, routers aren't free where I live, they're 50 € additional.

Just so I understand, you value your data/work enough that you manually back it up to a refurbished $30 1 TB hard-drive or an SD card?

Do you not value your work/time?

zin
Jun 21, 2011, 10:01 AM
Nice typo.

2TB... or 2TB. :D

Wow, this update to Apple's AirPort products has been rather flimsy.

maclaptop
Jun 21, 2011, 10:03 AM
What about the airport?

The flights at LAX are running on time. SFO, 15 minutes late.

kazmac
Jun 21, 2011, 10:03 AM
I will, do not want to pay another $170 if I don't have to.

Sodner
Jun 21, 2011, 10:07 AM
I agree. Black is what they should have been or something a bit more pleasing to the eye. White is just wrong. Very wrong. Boring in fact.

I'm slightly disappointed in the refresh but its NOT because of the color. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 10:08 AM
True, but if Apple are still using some kind of server grade HD, these can be a lot more expensive. Anything up to about £250 in the UK.


Apple to Western Digital: Can we use this hard drive in a server?

Western Digital: Yes.

Apple: Thanks for the server grade hard drive.


I don't think "server grade" goes farther than that in this case.

basesloaded190
Jun 21, 2011, 10:10 AM
Hmm non of the links seem to be working for me. Can't get to the TC or the AE to show up in the store, and all the links provided don't work.

patseguin
Jun 21, 2011, 10:10 AM
Pages on the US Apple Store:

2TB
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD032LL/A/Time-Capsule-2TB?mco=MjI5NjEzMDQ

3TB
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD033LL/A/Time-Capsule-3TB?mco=MjI5NjEzMDU

"The page you're looking for cannot be found..."

AndrewLGP
Jun 21, 2011, 10:11 AM
The difference with the refreshed APE is performance. As is mentioned on the product page.

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/2319/aperefresh2011.png (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/aperefresh2011.png/)
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maroontiger2k9
Jun 21, 2011, 10:12 AM
Same design, no new features. Meh!

THIS..

eventhough the pricepoint is nice, im going to wait for the Mac Mini update.. if they can put 3TB on that, i'll buy the mac mini.. anything less than 3TB and i'm going to build my own 3-4 TB media streaming HTPC PC with RAID..

i really just need a mac mini with 3TB/+ or a time capsule running macOS or itunes(probably will never happen)

*waits patiently for the mac mini updates*

edit: NOTICES that all other mac computers pretty much max out at 1TB... i might as well start putting the inventory together to build an HTPC PC right now :(

fat jez
Jun 21, 2011, 10:13 AM
I'm slightly disappointed in the refresh but its NOT because of the color. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

We're all still assuming all they've done is stick a different sized hard disk in there. Until somebody has one in their hands and performs a tear down, we don't know what changes have happened underneath the surface. The last model of Airport Extreme Basestation could do 450Mbps over wifi, I can't believe they've released a new model with no new features, can you?

zin
Jun 21, 2011, 10:14 AM
The difference with the refreshed APE is performance. As is mentioned on the product page.

Image (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/aperefresh2011.png/)
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It's said that for quite some time.

basesloaded190
Jun 21, 2011, 10:16 AM
The difference with the refreshed APE is performance. As is mentioned on the product page.

Image (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/813/aperefresh2011.png/)
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That looks like that is still up there from the previous model

AndrewLGP
Jun 21, 2011, 10:17 AM
It's said that for quite some time.

Even with the "new" next to it?

Sodner
Jun 21, 2011, 10:18 AM
I think people complaining about the lack of RAID support in a TC are missing the point of the product. It's for simple backup and recovery of your Mac. It's not intended to be the only place you store important files. Its made to easily recover a lost or damaged file, or to recover your entire Mac in case of a drive failure. If the time capsule fails you have your Mac, if the Mac fails you have your time capsule.

If you want more than that, get another product.

zin
Jun 21, 2011, 10:18 AM
Even with the "new" next to it?

If I recall correctly, yes.

PorterRocks
Jun 21, 2011, 10:19 AM
Even with the "new" next to it?

Yes.

I was about to buy a new Time Capsule until the rumors about new ones coming started to show up. I've looked at the page a dozen times and it did say "new" in there before today.

bonemusik
Jun 21, 2011, 10:19 AM
We're all still assuming all they've done is stick a different sized hard disk in there. Until somebody has one in their hands and performs a tear down, we don't know what changes have happened underneath the surface. The last model of Airport Extreme Basestation could do 450Mbps over wifi, I can't believe they've released a new model with no new features, can you?

I was thinking the same thing. Especially since the Time Capsule 2TB model that doesn't appear to have changed gets a new part number - MC344LL/A versus the new one MD032LL/A. I guess time will tell.

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 10:20 AM
It's said that for quite some time.

Indeed...

http://web.archive.org/web/20091115191656/http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/

thomaus
Jun 21, 2011, 10:20 AM
Why is it that you only can stream music with the airport express? I have a really old express...like 6 years and music is breaking up if i stream a youttubeclip at the same time or sometimes just out of the blue. I want to upgrade to fix this problem, but it seems that timecapsule or extrem both cant stream music.... is that true?

Not sure exactly what you mean by streaming. We use a 2-3 year old Airport Express with several hard drives attached to hold video files. Over our gigabyte ethernet, we've never seen any problem playing full HD movie files on the Mini connected to our TV. I can't ever remember seeing any video artifacts show up when watching movies. I don't know about then having a second file being accessed at the same time causing troubles. I'd have to test that. The only problems that are almost guaranteed is to have multiple, multi-gigabyte file copies going. It does seem to like one copy going at a time.

Ulf1103
Jun 21, 2011, 10:21 AM
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On the site, it says:

Wireless drive sharing.

Time Capsule also works great as a wireless hard drive, whether you have a Mac or a PC. It sets up in a snap, giving you a networked hard drive you can use for storing and sharing all kinds of files. If you’re a MobileMe member using a Mac with Mac OS X Leopard or Snow Leopard, you can even access the files on the drive over the Internet.5

Apple is going to deleted MobileMe.
So it would seem obvious to me that in OSX Lion you also can acces your drive true the cloud?
Am I wright? If you have an Internet connection ofcourse.
(iPhone's, iPod touche's, iPad's and Mac's?)

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 10:26 AM
Indeed...

http://web.archive.org/web/20091115191656/http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/

Where did you get this archive of Apple's site from like '07?

Texran
Jun 21, 2011, 10:28 AM
I was on the fence for a 2 TB before the update. I just couldn't force myself to pay 499.00 for it. Now that the 2 TB has dropped to the old 1 TB pricing I'm sold.
1 TB just wasn't enough, but I wasn't paying 200 dollars for a 2 TB, same as now, I wouldn't pay another 200 dollars for a 3 TB.

AndrewLGP
Jun 21, 2011, 10:28 AM
Indeed...

http://web.archive.org/web/20091115191656/http://www.apple.com/timecapsule/

I'm talking about the Airport Extreme. In the latest version of the APE page that archive.org has from December 20, 2010 there is no "new" next to the graphic.

http://web.archive.org/web/20101220195203/http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 10:33 AM
Where did you get this archive of Apple's site from like '07?

The secret's in the URL. ;)

I'm talking about the Airport Extreme. In the latest version of the APE page that archive.org has from December 20, 2010 there is no "new" next to the graphic.

However, the text is identical. Wouldn't it be nice if they justified the "new" badge by telling us how they've improved performance/range?

Menopause
Jun 21, 2011, 10:34 AM
Hi guys, does anyone know if TC has a better wireless range than the Airport Express ?

AndrewLGP
Jun 21, 2011, 10:37 AM
However, the text is identical. Wouldn't it be nice if they justified the "new" badge by telling us how they've improved performance/range?

The fact remains the same. There is a "new" next to the performance graphic on the Extreme's page that wasn't there previously.

lhotka
Jun 21, 2011, 10:38 AM
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So cuttIng thru the ****, it looks like it won't host my iTunes. That sucks, with iOS devices cutting the cord, that would mean more iTunes sales to iOS only households.

Since m hopes are dashed, how do. Wirelessl host my iTunes movies for ATV? Can I put my movies folder on a TC and use an alias in the iTunes folder structure? I don't care that I need iTunes running but my hard drive is near full with movies

It's easy to do (but unsupported), just move your iTunes folder to an external drive, then plug it into an extreme. Mount the drive in finder first (important) then fire up iTunes. Works great - and if you're careful you can even share one set of files between multiple computers.

Note that it does NOT work with an alias - you have to move the root of the folder in iTunes preferences, then consolidate your library into the new library to move the files.

But with Apple's new download-everywhere policy, be careful that you don't end up with a bunch of duplicate files if you use multiple computers.

applefan289
Jun 21, 2011, 10:39 AM
lol Now the website when you click 'buy now' says that the Time Capsule is currently unavailable. This is one of the slowest and worst updates Apple has done on their website

WLS
Jun 21, 2011, 10:41 AM
Well the AE upgrade was disappointing. I was looking forward to a next gen upgrade and this isn't it. So if I want to get one from say BB how do I know I have the latest 6 antenna model?? What model number on the box do I look for? Where is that price drop too that was claimed for it?

basesloaded190
Jun 21, 2011, 10:41 AM
The fact remains the same. There is a "new" next to the performance graphic on the Extreme's page that wasn't there previously.

I'll believe it's new when i can go into the store, click on wireless & airport and see the new Airport Extreme for sale in there.

unobtainium
Jun 21, 2011, 10:44 AM
Can anyone confirm the price drop for Airport Extreme in the education store?

From $179 to $159 in the Canadian education store. Is this just a Canada thing?

coderrific
Jun 21, 2011, 10:46 AM
I would think it would have Thunderbolt - would be a good feature when transferring, retrieving backups, daisy chaining more peripherals (HD,printers) :/ faster than wifi, ethernet, usb 2.0

unobtainium
Jun 21, 2011, 10:47 AM
I would think it would have Thunderbolt - would be a good feature when transferring to retrieving backups :/ faster than wifi, ethernet, usb 2.0

And it would have been our first actual opportunity to use Thunderbolt. :rolleyes:

RalfTheDog
Jun 21, 2011, 10:47 AM
I think people complaining about the lack of RAID support in a TC are missing the point of the product. It's for simple backup and recovery of your Mac. It's not intended to be the only place you store important files. Its made to easily recover a lost or damaged file, or to recover your entire Mac in case of a drive failure. If the time capsule fails you have your Mac, if the Mac fails you have your time capsule.

If you want more than that, get another product.

3 TB is not good enough for simple backup. I have more storage than that on my primary computer. I also find it somewhat offensive that anyone would consider a backup system that did not use mirrored drives.

Understand, Apple does not need to come out with complex cycle eating performance trashing software. A simple spanned drive (JBOD) that once a day copies all it's data over to a mirrored set would be fine. This would also greatly increase the life of the mirrored drives as they would only need to be powered up once a day.

The development cost would be near zero (by Apple standards) and the benefits and coolness factor would be through the roof. (I like that word ROOF!)

goobot
Jun 21, 2011, 10:49 AM
Will they offer the 1tb option for a much cheaper price while stocks are still around?


Also i heard the xbox 360 has problems with the time capsule, can any one confirm or deny with out going into a ps3 vs xbox war?

matthiasgoodman
Jun 21, 2011, 10:56 AM
Are these not new features?


- Integrated power supply
- Simultaneous 2.4 and 5ghz

The integrated power supply must be new because the Extreme I got last week did not have it.

Edit: Ah, I see, the integrated supply is for the Time Capsule.

OmegaRed1723
Jun 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
3 TB is not good enough for simple backup. I have more storage than that on my primary computer. I also find it somewhat offensive that anyone would consider a backup system that did not use mirrored drives.

I'm glad my 82-year old grandmother offends you by using a TC :p. It's easy to forget that generally speaking, we are not Apple's core demographic; rather, my grandma (and folks like her) are. If I tried to explain RAID, JBOD, etc. to her, there's no way she'd ever back up her data. The Time Capsule is an excellent solution for non-power users who just want to set-it-and-forget-it.

RalfTheDog
Jun 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
Maybe. Or just use the free router from your ISP that works just as good (and in my case it have to use the modem inside it anyway) and plug in an $80 external hard drive into your laptop once a week.

My 1TB hard drive external only cost me $30. Admittedly I got a great deal and it is a refurb, but.....

it backs up faster too that way.

I'm new to laptops, but I would turn off TM even if I had a TC because I wouldn't want the hourly backups to slow my already slow 5400 rpm hard drive down.

Then what? I have to leave my MBP open and sitting there for backups perhaps making sure it is plugged in if the battery is low for the backup?

I'm charging my MBP all the time anyway so doesn't seem like more work to reach for the external hard drive and connect it up too once in awhile.

I'm not anal about the hourly backups. If I'm really paranoid because I'm working on an important project then there's always saving to an SD card.

I do like that the $300 TC finally has 2TB of storage. Before the $300 option always seemed like not quite enough storage to justify purchasing it. NOw the storage has reached a point where I can say hey this can last me awhile.

Time Machine backups are only slow the first time. The incremental backups are quite fast, even when done over wireless.

We understand you don't value your data that much. Many of us value our data more than our hardware. Hardware can be replaced. Lost data can not.

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 11:00 AM
The integrated power supply must be new because the Extreme I got last week did not have it.

The Time Capsule uses a figure-8 power cord straight into the back, the pictures in the Store still allude to the Extreme requiring an external brick.

unobtainium
Jun 21, 2011, 11:01 AM
Also, under Airport Extreme it says, "Be the first to review this product." There are currently no reviews of the Airport Extreme? Must be a newly revised version then.

reclusive46
Jun 21, 2011, 11:02 AM
I just called up apple Sales and the guy said he just read an internal memo and it was exactly the same just upped storage.

sp3ctre
Jun 21, 2011, 11:02 AM
The Time Capsule uses a figure-8 power cord straight into the back, the pictures in the Store still elude to the Extreme requiring an external brick.

Would take a brick over integral any day... the PSU in my TC has dies and unless I want to take it to bits (not as easy as it sounds) it's now useless. At least I would have a fighting chance if all I needed was a compatible power supply to plug in the back.

lowonthe456
Jun 21, 2011, 11:04 AM
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So cuttIng thru the ****, it looks like it won't host my iTunes. That sucks, with iOS devices cutting the cord, that would mean more iTunes sales to iOS only households.

Since m hopes are dashed, how do. Wirelessl host my iTunes movies for ATV? Can I put my movies folder on a TC and use an alias in the iTunes folder structure? I don't care that I need iTunes running but my hard drive is near full with movies

It's easy to do (but unsupported), just move your iTunes folder to an external drive, then plug it into an extreme. Mount the drive in finder first (important) then fire up iTunes. Works great - and if you're careful you can even share one set of files between multiple computers.

Note that it does NOT work with an alias - you have to move the root of the folder in iTunes preferences, then consolidate your library into the new library to move the files.

But with Apple's new download-everywhere policy, be careful that you don't end up with a bunch of duplicate files if you use multiple computers.

And you've done this? Can I
Use the TC for both time machine
And ad a wireless spot for iTunes? Also is it able to served hd content across the network to an atv2 without issue?

If so I might do it

toddybody
Jun 21, 2011, 11:05 AM
Aluminum isn't very good at letting radio waves pass through, which means it would be a terrible choice of material to build a wireless router.

Perhaps, though they could trim the edges with exterior antennas.

Anyways...they could have easily matched the design of the new ATV. Im not advocating smaller footprints, keep the same form factor, improve cooling, make the HDD more user accessible, and give it that sexy ATV matte black.

And start it at 199.99 for 2TB.

RalfTheDog
Jun 21, 2011, 11:05 AM
I'm glad my 82-year old grandmother offends you by using a TC :p. It's easy to forget that generally speaking, we are not Apple's core demographic; rather, my grandma (and folks like her) are. If I tried to explain RAID, JBOD, etc. to her, there's no way she'd ever back up her data. The Time Capsule is an excellent solution for non-power users who just want to set-it-and-forget-it.

Dude, when, many years ago, I got my grandmother her first computer and put her on the internet, my grandmother hacked into my main server using an SQL injection attack, then SSHd in and created herself an email account. The next time I came over to visit, I got a very stern lecture about slashing out special characters and tokenising all SQL commands. All these decades later, that remains very good advice.

PS. I think it is time for your grandmother to think about a software upgrade.

NightFox
Jun 21, 2011, 11:06 AM
I just called up apple Sales and the guy said he just read an internal memo and it was exactly the same just upped storage.

Still doesn't explain the new FCC filings does it? Or do they need to do those for every change, even just a HD upgrade?

macsmurf
Jun 21, 2011, 11:07 AM
The development cost would be near zero (by Apple standards) and the benefits and coolness factor would be through the roof. (I like that word ROOF!)

If you put one more drive in the box you need a larger box. Apple is all about smaller, thinner, and lighter these days so they won't do that.

Sometimes design trumps functionality with regards to Apple.

Crzyrio
Jun 21, 2011, 11:11 AM
Just to clarify the only difference between the Airport Extreme and Time Capsule is the Internal Storage?

Thanks
Rio

RalfTheDog
Jun 21, 2011, 11:14 AM
If you put one more drive in the box you need a larger box. Apple is all about smaller, thinner, and lighter these days so they won't do that.

Sometimes design trumps functionality with regards to Apple.

That is why you use external drives, lots and lots of external drives.

Macman74
Jun 21, 2011, 11:14 AM
So much for the decrease in price I see. Epic fail! I was hoping for a $299/$399 price tag on the 2 TB and 3TB models.

RalfTheDog
Jun 21, 2011, 11:19 AM
So much for the decrease in price I see. Epic fail! I was hoping for a $299/$399 price tag on the 2 TB and 3TB models.

An increase in capacity for the same price is better than a price cut for the same capacity. I would call this a win, but not an epic win.

Icaras
Jun 21, 2011, 11:22 AM
Even with the "new" next to it?

Just about all Apple products always say "new" :rolleyes:

http://www.apple.com/macpro/

How "new" is that Mac Pro, anyway? ;)

Anyway, glad they kept the white!

MikhailT
Jun 21, 2011, 11:26 AM
I’m confused, was there an update to the Airport Extreme or not? It doesn’t look like it.

colmaclean
Jun 21, 2011, 11:28 AM
I’m confused, was there an update to the Airport Extreme or not? It doesn’t look like it.

Someone quoted a rumour saying it has 6 internal aerials instead of 3 in the last model. No clarification of this on the Apple website (apart from a "new" badge next to Performance).

A teardown will be required to clarify.

RalfTheDog
Jun 21, 2011, 11:29 AM
I’m confused, was there an update to the Airport Extreme or not? It doesn’t look like it.

Yes/No.

I think it may be a hardware upgrade that gives it extra capacity for future software upgrades.

ComanWilson
Jun 21, 2011, 11:31 AM
Can anyone confirm the price drop for Airport Extreme in the education store?

From $179 to $159 in the Canadian education store. Is this just a Canada thing?

It's the same in the U.S., there is a $20 discount on Time Capsules as well.

unobtainium
Jun 21, 2011, 11:32 AM
Yes/No.

I think it may be a hardware upgrade that gives it extra capacity for future software upgrades.

It has to have been updated.

- There are currently "no reviews" of the AEBS. Means it's a new model with no reviews yet.

- The price has dropped in the education store.

- FCC filing.

Something has changed internally. Someone suggested six antennae rather than three. Maybe that's it, or maybe there's more.

unobtainium
Jun 21, 2011, 11:35 AM
It's the same in the U.S., there is a $20 discount on Time Capsules as well.

I thought the AEBS used to be $199 in Canada ($179 w/ education pricing). So is this a price drop? Or am I just misremembering?

Icaras
Jun 21, 2011, 11:38 AM
It has to have been updated.

- There are currently "no reviews" of the AEBS. Means it's a new model with no reviews yet.

- The price has dropped in the education store.

- FCC filing.

Something has changed internally. Someone suggested six antennae rather than three. Maybe that's it, or maybe there's more.

I'm really very curious to know this....A new one of these Airport or Time Capsules coupled with one of the new MBPs or iMacs with triple antenna Wifi should make for some really blazing fast intra-network speeds, and would be worth the upgrade for me.

SubtltzSir
Jun 21, 2011, 11:42 AM
It has to have been updated.

- There are currently "no reviews" of the AEBS. Means it's a new model with no reviews yet.

- The price has dropped in the education store.

- FCC filing.

Something has changed internally. Someone suggested six antennae rather than three. Maybe that's it, or maybe there's more.

I'll wait to see what iFixit finds out. I'm thinking that we'll find a small 16G "SSD" in the Express, and an A4/A5 in all of them (better to load code to for local caching of software updates for iPad/Pod/Mac, etc.). My 2 cents, that's all. We'll see when it starts shipping, but I wouldn't release it with a lot of fanfare if the code (and iCloud) aren't fully baked as yet. May as well be a pleasant surprise when the big announcement comes out.

hppy29
Jun 21, 2011, 11:46 AM
It has to have been updated.

- There are currently "no reviews" of the AEBS. Means it's a new model with no reviews yet.

- The price has dropped in the education store.

- FCC filing.

Something has changed internally. Someone suggested six antennae rather than three. Maybe that's it, or maybe there's more.


The part numbers have changed when you add the Airport Extreme to your basket.

The new part number is the one that was reported earlier today "MD031LL/A" and I believe it was was MC340LL/A

Strange that no details of the update have been put on the UK store/ wifi page

RalfTheDog
Jun 21, 2011, 11:59 AM
It has to have been updated.

- There are currently "no reviews" of the AEBS. Means it's a new model with no reviews yet.

- The price has dropped in the education store.

- FCC filing.

Something has changed internally. Someone suggested six antennae rather than three. Maybe that's it, or maybe there's more.

My point was that it might be a silent update with no visible changes until a future software update, perhaps related to iCloud or some Lion update to Time Machine.

snowmen
Jun 21, 2011, 11:59 AM
I just phoned Apple Store in my area, they don't have the new AEBS... They don't know when they'll be getting it...

hppy29
Jun 21, 2011, 12:01 PM
My point was that it might be a silent update with no visible changes until a future software update, perhaps related to iCloud or some Lion update to Time Machine.


I agree, the fact you can set up a new airport device in iOS5 a new Aiport Utility and now a new device, will be interesting to see whats inside and if anything new shows up in beta2

malman89
Jun 21, 2011, 12:02 PM
New Airport Extreme's too, woo!

New specs, might have to finally pony up for one of those. Probably leaning the TC route, the Extreme is a bit much for just a router.

strik
Jun 21, 2011, 12:02 PM
I thought the AEBS used to be $199 in Canada ($179 w/ education pricing). So is this a price drop? Or am I just misremembering?

Price for AEBS did indeed drop from $199 Cdn to $179 Cdn, making it same price as US inline with strong Cdn dollar.

Canadian educational price drop reflected that as well.

MikhailT
Jun 21, 2011, 12:13 PM
New Airport Extreme's too, woo!

New specs, might have to finally pony up for one of those. Probably leaning the TC route, the Extreme is a bit much for just a router.

There’s nothing new as far as we know. We have to wait for iFixit to confirm what’s new.

This has been a strange “silent” update from Apple. I haven’t seen such as vague update like this from Apple in a long time.

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 12:15 PM
I would think it would have Thunderbolt - would be a good feature when transferring, retrieving backups, daisy chaining more peripherals (HD,printers) :/ faster than wifi, ethernet, usb 2.0

NOt much point to TB when it is a wireless backup device.

trip1ex
Jun 21, 2011, 12:21 PM
Time Machine backups are only slow the first time. The incremental backups are quite fast, even when done over wireless.

We understand you don't value your data that much. Many of us value our data more than our hardware. Hardware can be replaced. Lost data can not.

WE? Are you a siamese twin or something? :eek:

How did you get from it not being difficult for me to hook up an external drive and not wanting/needing TM to run every hour to me not valuing data?

Then being preachy on top of it. YOu can replace hardware not data. Blah Blah blah. I'm the choir bud.

OmegaRed1723
Jun 21, 2011, 12:21 PM
Someone posted some specs on the new Airport Extreme from the FCC filings on the Apple Discussion forum: https://discussions.apple.com/message/15454924. It looks like radio power output has slightly increased, likely as a result of additional antennae.

sdiesel619
Jun 21, 2011, 12:21 PM
I just spoke with the Live Chat people on the Apple website and the only thing that changed with the AEBS is the part number. Thats all she said.

gnasher729
Jun 21, 2011, 12:22 PM
Warning: Don't buy them refurbished!

2 TB refurbished = £326 :mad:
2 TB new = £249. :D

flipperfeet
Jun 21, 2011, 12:25 PM
Awww Apple, still no audio out port for Airplay? I would snatch one up if there was...

TimeCapsule and Extreme base station would be nearly ideal entertainment center routers if they had audio out.

I wish someone would develop a hack for this as Apple does not seem interested in adding the $5.00 subsystem to make it happen.

Crzyrio
Jun 21, 2011, 12:27 PM
In the Canadian Store Im seeing Proce for Extreme at 179.99 (159.99 with education pricing.

Less than 200$ with tax sounds good to me :)

Kane08
Jun 21, 2011, 12:28 PM
not going to lie, I'm a little miffed. I ordered my new time capsule exactly 30 days ago. Now on hold with apple to see if they will exchange it

Update: they did. I love apple customer service. 14 day return policy but they still let me...

CHSeifert
Jun 21, 2011, 12:29 PM
I have a pending order coming Thursday - including my iMac, ACD 27 and a TimeCapsule 2 TB.

I paid the same price as the current 3 Tb cost. I want the 3 TB version of course - hope Apple will return it with no hazzle and give me the new larger version. I need it for my Sonos system and 1.2 TB apple lossless music archive (Sonos can't read the files hidden in the TimeMachine backups)......

basesloaded190
Jun 21, 2011, 12:31 PM
I just spoke with the Live Chat people on the Apple website and the only thing that changed with the AEBS is the part number. Thats all she said.

That doesn't make sense. Something had to change. I guess we will find out soon enough

Black107
Jun 21, 2011, 12:35 PM
Do you guys think this was a supply chain timing error?

I wonder if Apple was assuming the old TC and AEBS's would last until July so they could release the new ones with Lion and tout some new auto-update features and/or A4/A5 processor? Instead, they're left bone dry out of the older models and the decided rather than be out of TC's and AEBS's all together for at least a month, they just quietly rolled them out.

It just seems very odd that they'd release new part numbers with no discernable difference.

hppy29
Jun 21, 2011, 12:37 PM
That doesn't make sense. Something had to change. I guess we will find out soon enough

It could be just a case of new firmware allowing it work better with newer features yet to be announced. The fact that these devices can be now set up without a computer, using a device on iOS5 means that other things could well be hidden.