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Jun 21, 2011, 11:11 AM
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With Apple having released (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/21/apple-announces-final-cut-pro-x-motion-5-and-compressor-4-available-today/) Final Cut Pro X and associated Motion and Compressor versions today, more details are starting to come out.

We previously pointed to Macworld's "First Look" (http://www.macworld.com/article/160618/2011/06/fcpx.html) feature that outlines many of the new functionalities in Final Cut Pro X, and a full review from Macworld is set to be posted soon. Other users who were given early access to Final Cut Pro X have also been speaking out (http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/06/what-are-the-answers-to-the-unanswered-questions-about-final-cut-pro-x/) to fill in some of the blanks now that they can speak publicly about the release.

While Apple is offering Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5, and Compressor 4 through the Mac App Store, where they have quickly become the top grossing applications, the company has also pushed out some ancillary updates via Software Update for users who have already installed the core applications. Among the add-ons:

- Final Cut Pro X Content (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1394) (637.5 MB):- Sound Effects: Over 1300 rights-free sound effects installed into the Audio Browser of Final Cut Pro X.
- Audio Effect Presets: Additional preset effects for the Space Designer plug-in.- Motion 5 Content (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1395) (1.15 GB)- Motion Templates: A variety of professionally-designed, customizable templates.
- Motion Library Content: Animated vector graphics, backgrounds, template media, sample Motion projects, and royalty-free still images.
- Motion Sample Media: Clips and images for use with Motion Help examples and tutorials.- ProApps QuickTime Codecs (http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1396) (1.2 MB):This update adds the following video codecs for use by QuickTime-based applications:

- Apple Intermediate Codec
- Apple ProRes
- AVC-Intra
- DVCPRO HD
- HDV
- XDCAM HD / EX / HD422
- MPEG IMX
- Uncompressed 4:2:2Apple has also released details on graphics card requirements (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4664) for Final Cut Pro X, noting that at least 256 MB of VRAM on an OpenCL-capable graphics card or Intel HD Graphics 3000 or later integrated graphics package are required. The support document also lists a number of graphics cards and their corresponding machines that are not compatible with the release.

Finally, Apple has also published a database (http://help.apple.com/finalcutpro/cameras/en/index.html) of cameras that are supported on Final Cut Pro X. In addition to a wide variety of still cameras and camcorders, the iPhone 3GS/4, iPad 2, and fourth-generation iPod touch are also supported.

Article Link: Final Cut Pro X Tidbits: Software Add-Ons, Graphics Card Requirements, Supported Cameras (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/21/final-cut-pro-x-tidbits-software-add-ons-graphics-card-requirements-supported-cameras/)



bdkennedy1
Jun 21, 2011, 11:22 AM
I don't understand how Motion's content goes from 7gb for the previous release to 1.5gb for the new one.

Small White Car
Jun 21, 2011, 11:22 AM
I'll be interested to see if the sound libraries are mostly the same or if there's any new stuff in there.

I don't understand how Motion's content goes from 7gb for the previous release to 1.5gb for the new one.

Maybe more of the effects are vector-based graphics instead of saved rasterized videos?

(No idea, just a guess. Maybe there's just less stuff in there.)

the vj
Jun 21, 2011, 11:23 AM
I will have it install it this week for a test drive and eventually (2 month from now) run it in the rest of the systems if everything is fine.

The first thing to run will be Compressor since we are having (as we speak) problems compressing entire movies to send it to the cable operators at the TV station I work.

the vj
Jun 21, 2011, 11:24 AM
I'll be interested to see if the sound libraries are mostly the same or if there's any new stuff in there.

For sure new stuff. Even I have the entire SoundTrack, Logic and every sound package Apple released and is very extensive even a bit limited in a few things.

pillbotgrr
Jun 21, 2011, 11:24 AM
I haven't seen anything that says whether Motion projects will work in Final Cut Pro 7. Curious thought whether some will try to just buy Motion or Compressor for $50 and wait on FCP. If it doesn't you could still export it and use it in FCP.

The only issue may be some FCP engine that is needed for Motion.

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Jun 21, 2011, 11:24 AM
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I wonder if my canon hv30's will work. They don't show supported but hard to tell.

akm3
Jun 21, 2011, 11:29 AM
I don't understand how Motion's content goes from 7gb for the previous release to 1.5gb for the new one.

It's very simple "there is less"

akm3
Jun 21, 2011, 11:29 AM
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I wonder if my canon hv30's will work. They don't show supported but hard to tell.

It does say almost any MiniDV/DV/HDV camcorder with firewire is supported.

ArtOfWarfare
Jun 21, 2011, 11:31 AM
I'm kind of pissed that they're removing support for iMac models so recently released. Guess neither my school nor my house will be upgrading to FCP X.

SimonMW
Jun 21, 2011, 11:36 AM
What isn't clear is whether FCP X simply won't work at all with cards that are not OpenCL compatible, or whether it simple won't use the GPU if it is installed on such a system.

illegalprelude
Jun 21, 2011, 11:36 AM
I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that there is zero 3D support in FCX?

baryon
Jun 21, 2011, 11:37 AM
Is the integrated nVidia 9400M compatible, in the Late 2008 MBP?

R2D2 xx
Jun 21, 2011, 11:40 AM
Is this new version of FCP better than the latest Adobe Premiere? Should I switch?

timdafweak
Jun 21, 2011, 11:44 AM
Does anyone know whether FCPX supports AVCHD editing natively, or does one need to go via ProRes422 still?

applewins
Jun 21, 2011, 11:48 AM
What does the upgrade from Final Cut Express 4 to Final Cut Pro cost?

BreuerEditor
Jun 21, 2011, 11:49 AM
Does anyone know whether FCPX supports AVCHD editing natively, or does one need to go via ProRes422 still?

According to the System Requirements and Tech Specs:

Native editing3 support for: AVCHD, including Panasonic AVCCAM and Sony NXCAM

jontech
Jun 21, 2011, 11:49 AM
Looks like slow internet till all the updates come in lol

baxterbrittle
Jun 21, 2011, 11:50 AM
Is the integrated nVidia 9400M compatible, in the Late 2008 MBP?

Yes

What isn't clear is whether FCP X simply won't work at all with cards that are not OpenCL compatible, or whether it simple won't use the GPU if it is installed on such a system.

It is pretty clear when it says in the minimum system specs that an Open CL graphics card is required:

http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/specs/

I am pissed that none of the graphics options from the original Mac Pro are supported and yet there is no official upgrade path that is compatible. Why buy a supposedly 'Pro' machine that is 'upgradeable' when it is phased out at the same time as an iMac?

Will be looking into Radeon 5770, has anyone had any experience with this on Mac Pro 1,1? It appears to work according to the overall web, but I have seen some concerning things around Quartz Extreme and Open GL - seems like the 'tests' that have been ran are 'oh yep, the monitor shows a desktop, moving on'.

BreuerEditor
Jun 21, 2011, 11:50 AM
I'm kind of pissed that they're removing support for iMac models so recently released.

Where did you read that????

odedia
Jun 21, 2011, 11:50 AM
I don't understand how Motion's content goes from 7gb for the previous release to 1.5gb for the new one.

It is possible that previously the videos were ProRes, while now they are h.264, since it is supported natively.

pdpfilms
Jun 21, 2011, 11:51 AM
what does the upgrade from final cut express 4 to final cut pro cost?

$299

Kanthony
Jun 21, 2011, 11:51 AM
I'm kind of pissed that they're removing support for iMac models so recently released. Guess neither my school nor my house will be upgrading to FCP X.

no

jclardy
Jun 21, 2011, 11:51 AM
So the camera database includes the Canon Rebel T3i...I assume the T2i will work as well since they encode in the same h.264 format? The T2i isn't listed.

BreuerEditor
Jun 21, 2011, 11:51 AM
Yes



It is pretty clear when it says in the minimum system specs that an Open CL graphics card is required:

http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/specs/

I am pissed that none of the graphics options from the original Mac Pro are supported and yet there is no official upgrade path that is compatible. Why buy a supposedly 'Pro' machine that is 'upgradeable' when it is phased out at the same time as an iMac?

Will be looking into Radeon 5770, has anyone had any experience with this on Mac Pro 1,1? It appears to work according to the overall web, but I have seen some concerning things around Quartz Extreme and Open GL - seems like the 'tests' that have been ran are 'oh yep, the monitor shows a desktop, moving on'.

I'm in the same boat. I've got a 1,1 Mac Pro with an ATI Radeon 3870, and looks like I have to buy a 4870 to make it OpenCL-capable. Just another few hundred bucks I don't want to spend to make it work......

baxterbrittle
Jun 21, 2011, 11:52 AM
Does anyone know whether FCPX supports AVCHD editing natively, or does one need to go via ProRes422 still?

Would you really want to?

odedia
Jun 21, 2011, 11:53 AM
I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that there is zero 3D support in FCX?

Looks like it, but it is heavily supported in Motion.

BreuerEditor
Jun 21, 2011, 11:54 AM
I'm kind of pissed that they're removing support for iMac models so recently released. Guess neither my school nor my house will be upgrading to FCP X.

Looks like everything from 2009 and current is supported according to this:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4664

baxterbrittle
Jun 21, 2011, 11:55 AM
I'm in the same boat. I've got a 1,1 Mac Pro with an ATI Radeon 3870, and looks like I have to buy a 4870 to make it OpenCL-capable. Just another few hundred bucks I don't want to spend to make it work......

4870 doesn't work in the 1,1 if I understand correctly?

akm3
Jun 21, 2011, 11:57 AM
Is the integrated nVidia 9400M compatible, in the Late 2008 MBP?

Yes it should be, that is OpenCL compatible.

akm3
Jun 21, 2011, 11:58 AM
Is this new version of FCP better than the latest Adobe Premiere? Should I switch?

"Better" is subjectives and depends on your needs. This question cannot be answered.

/stockholder hat: Yes it is much better. You should abandoned Adobe and all non-Apple software and switch to Final Cut X. it is AWESOME you there is no chance you won't be completely happy.

akm3
Jun 21, 2011, 11:59 AM
What does the upgrade from Final Cut Express 4 to Final Cut Pro cost?

There is no upgrade pricing. It is available only on the Mac App Store for one price ($299) which you can install on the macs you own (i.e. using the same AppleID).

Bear
Jun 21, 2011, 11:59 AM
I don't understand how Motion's content goes from 7gb for the previous release to 1.5gb for the new one.DIfferent codec/compression?

Also, this is additional content. It doesn't say how much content is with the base Motion package.

ValSalva
Jun 21, 2011, 12:02 PM
Any 3rd party training available yet? This version is supposedly very different from FCP7 and prior versions.

jrlcopy
Jun 21, 2011, 12:03 PM
Could be a massive bug missed, or perhaps a feature...
Symptoms
Editing a clip after using the "Open in Timeline" command in the event browser changes the source media file.

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/335/2677
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4664

Badbaw
Jun 21, 2011, 12:10 PM
Loving the interface so far! Can't wait to actual put it to good use.

I have a feeling the magnetic timeline will require some time to become accustomed with.

Affirmed
Jun 21, 2011, 12:11 PM
Most of my editors rely heavily on keystrokes for marking ins and outs and cutting in the timeline when using NLEs. I'm really curious to see how these commands are handled in FCPX. The videos make it look very mouse heavy which will not be a thrill to editors.

mactree
Jun 21, 2011, 12:13 PM
Just discovered something interesting upon launching the app, Fcp X cannot open old fcp projects, or import xml. That was a surprise.

illegalprelude
Jun 21, 2011, 12:15 PM
Looks like it, but it is heavily supported in Motion.

Yea, so I saw that it keeps mentioning 3D. I'm confused if that is like 2D and 3D in the sense that Keynote has 2D and 3D affects as well or if they are talking about true 3D?

Also, I guess if you cannot export out as 3D, then it becomes semi moot option

BreuerEditor
Jun 21, 2011, 12:15 PM
Just discovered something interesting upon launching the app, Fcp X cannot open old fcp projects, or import xml. That was a surprise.

Seriously???? I see this being a big headache for current projects.......I probably should've waited to buy. :mad::mad:

Dagless
Jun 21, 2011, 12:19 PM
Just discovered something interesting upon launching the app, Fcp X cannot open old fcp projects, or import xml. That was a surprise.

Bugger me sideways! Glad I finished off my current project in my age-old FCP rather than waiting for this new one. But a shame I can't polish it off in FCPX.

I hope someone finds a way around that.

mactree
Jun 21, 2011, 12:19 PM
Yep, tell me about it. I suppose it won't be an issue in a few months, but for now, I'm a bit frustrated.

Seriously???? I see this being a big headache for current projects.......I probably should've waited to buy. :mad::mad:

jcaraballo70
Jun 21, 2011, 12:20 PM
The Mac Pro "Eight Core" 2.8 (Early 2008) with the Stock OEM ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT graphics card with 256 MB of GDDR3 wont work with Fincal Cut X?

BigMac Attack
Jun 21, 2011, 12:21 PM
I haven't found anything anywhere suggesting you can run FCPX and FCP7 at the same time? Can any of you "early adopters" answer that question?

mactree
Jun 21, 2011, 12:22 PM
Just tried it. It forced me to quit fcp x.

I haven't found anything anywhere suggesting you can run FCPX and FCP7 at the same time? Can any of you "early adopters" answer that question?

pdpfilms
Jun 21, 2011, 12:22 PM
From philiphodgetts.com (http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/06/what-are-the-answers-to-the-unanswered-questions-about-final-cut-pro-x/):

Can I import a Final Cut Pro 7 (or 6) project?
As of Version 1 and today’s release there is no direct import capability for legacy projects. My understanding is that there will be an Apple-provided utility for importing XML from older projects to Final Cut Pro X. However, my advice would remain: do not update software mid way through a project, unless there’s a very, very compelling reason.

waffles33
Jun 21, 2011, 12:26 PM
So the Nikon D90 is listed in the FCP X support database, but not the D7000? What gives? I assume I will have to continue to convert all my footage to Pro-Res HQ like always. The D7000 is a pretty popular model, a direct import/conversion feature would really make my life easier! O well :(

mactree
Jun 21, 2011, 12:27 PM
It's not the end of the world obviously, just inconvenient at the moment. You still have fcp7 so you can finish off those jobs and start new ones in fcpx.

But good to hear there may be something coming soon to solve the issue. Thanks for the info!

From philiphodgetts.com (http://www.philiphodgetts.com/2011/06/what-are-the-answers-to-the-unanswered-questions-about-final-cut-pro-x/):

pdpfilms
Jun 21, 2011, 12:27 PM
So the Nikon D90 is listed in the FCP X support database, but not the D7000? What gives? I assume I will have to continue to convert all my footage to Pro-Res HQ like always. The D7000 is a pretty popular model, a direct import/conversion feature would really make my life easier! O well :(

Unless you've tried it, I wouldn't take an exclusion from the list as a lack of support. Many cams share the same format systems and I would be just as surprised as you if the D7000 didn't work.

acslater017
Jun 21, 2011, 12:28 PM
So the camera database includes the Canon Rebel T3i...I assume the T2i will work as well since they encode in the same h.264 format? The T2i isn't listed.

If I had to guess, I would say yes. But if my living depended on it, I would double-check.

I'm in a similar situation checking compatibility for my still camera (Panasonic DMC-GF1). It lists compatibility with the DMC-G3 and the DMC-GH2 which are somewhat similar (and the format is the same) so I'd assume so...maybe they don't have time to look at every single camera model out there

BreuerEditor
Jun 21, 2011, 12:30 PM
4870 doesn't work in the 1,1 if I understand correctly?

Sorry. Meant 5870 (and 5770): http://www.barefeats.com/wst10g5.html

Darien Red Sox
Jun 21, 2011, 12:36 PM
http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/compressor/

Half way down the page under Batch templates there is a image of a Blueray, dose this mean that native blueray support is coming to the Mac?

gpielke
Jun 21, 2011, 12:38 PM
Unfortunately Final Cut Pro X is nothing more than an ambitious iMovie. The look is great an clean, but the workflow is away from any professionalism. No in- or output via AJA or Blackmagic cards, only tapeless media supported, no output on external video monitors or audio equipment. The retiming, which received the best update in Final Cut Pro 7 has been reduced to some basic speed controls, no more ramps within Final Cut Pro X. The preferences are a joke, you can't even edit anything there. The precise editing is not as precise as announced and last but not least: Project from previous Final Cut Pro versions can not be opened within Final Cut Pro X.

Hopefully there will be some major update or a real PRO version of Final Cut Pro! Final Cut Pro X is not worth the Pro in its name!

pdpfilms
Jun 21, 2011, 12:38 PM
http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/compressor/

Half way down the page under Batch templates there is a image of a Blueray, dose this mean that native blueray support is coming to the Mac?

FCP/Compressor has had verrrry limited Blu-Ray support for a while now. Comically, there is still no Blu-Ray support as far as actually playing the discs.

Affirmed
Jun 21, 2011, 12:41 PM
People jumped all over me when this software was announced because I dared to say I thought it looked problematic and possibly a step backwards for editors working in Film and Television.

From everything I am reading it's not even close to ready for primetime.

If you can't even import a previous FCP project, why would you upgrade your studio today?

I feel bad for people blinded by Apple's marketing who blindly "upgraded" their systems and/or studios today. I really do, but I hope it's a good learning experience.

I'll happily stick with our 10 working Final Cut Pro 7 systems attached to our Facilis TerraBlock for as long as they work. It took us long enough to get everything dialed in, why would I "upgrade" without waiting for testing and feedback.

pdpfilms
Jun 21, 2011, 12:47 PM
A good first runthrough:

http://library.creativecow.net/adcock_gary/FCPX/1

Raidersmojo
Jun 21, 2011, 12:47 PM
4870 doesn't work in the 1,1 if I understand correctly?


I have the ATI radeon 5770 in my mac 1,1. it works just fine, but for me that means playing games (like starcraft 2) for instance. I am interested in FCPX and will be downloading it in a couple of weeks if my graphics card will allow it.

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 12:48 PM
Oh you have to be joking!

NO multicam support?

Seriously, WTH?

PeterQVenkman
Jun 21, 2011, 12:49 PM
2008 Mac Pro vid card, out in the cold.

timdafweak
Jun 21, 2011, 12:51 PM
A good first runthrough:

http://library.creativecow.net/adcock_gary/FCPX/1

Thanks!!

odedia
Jun 21, 2011, 12:54 PM
Oh you have to be joking!

NO multicam support?

Seriously, WTH?

Where did you see that? This makes no sense.

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 12:59 PM
Where did you see that? This makes no sense.

http://forums.creativecow.net/readpost/8/1136042

"So far people are reporting no XML, OMF or EDL. No support for projects created with previous versions. No Log and Capture. No RS422 tape control. No FX scripts. No plugin support. No multicam."

drewyboy
Jun 21, 2011, 01:00 PM
Oh you have to be joking!

NO multicam support?

Seriously, WTH?

YET! You people need to read the reviews of those who got early access. Your questions will be answered. They had direct access to FCPX software engineers for questions. Read their reviews!

Edit: "So far people are reporting no XML, OMF or EDL. No support for projects created with previous versions. No Log and Capture. No RS422 tape control. No FX scripts. No plugin support. No multicam."

Again, if ppl read early access reviews, you would know all this already!

Edit 2: From creative cow
"Apple has been very specific, that this is not the final state of FCP X. Features are expected to be added quickly, via the App Store, with some of them waiting to show up natively in OS X Lion and with support for Thunderbolt."

jcaraballo70
Jun 21, 2011, 01:04 PM
2008 Mac Pro vid card, out in the cold.

Could someone please tell me what would be the cheapest video card upgrade for a 2008 Mac Pro that is compatable with Final Cut X?

Im starting to think about selling my 2008 Mac Pro on eBay and getting a brand new Mac Pro (Cheapest one of course)....

Starting to even wonder about an iMac? :eek:

timdafweak
Jun 21, 2011, 01:23 PM
Would you really want to?

Maybe I am mistaken, but yes. Yes, I really want to. I keep going the cumbersome route of editing AVCHD clips in Windows (Sony Vegas Pro - hate it), just so that the final product looks the same as the footage I shot. My experience with Prores422 and AIC has been the same - they both reduce the quality of the final product - mainly due to the number of steps involved in transcoding: AVCHD (.MP4) -> ProRes422 -> EDITING -> .MOV/.MP4

Admittedly, I am not an expert (far from), however I have tried a number of workflows, and till now, nothing on OSX has come close to replicating the quality of the finished product as I have seen from native AVCHD editors.

tgmthegreenman
Jun 21, 2011, 01:23 PM
this may be the end of Apple!!!
I fear Pros no longer can take the company serious
As A Pro, you want your progs to help you, not to keep you busy by having to learmn and organize everything new again, by not being able to use stuff just recently

timdafweak
Jun 21, 2011, 01:24 PM
According to the System Requirements and Tech Specs:

Thanks, that's very exciting!

mBox
Jun 21, 2011, 01:24 PM
Unfortunately Final Cut Pro X is nothing more than an ambitious iMovie...oh you kids crack me up ;) patience my friends, fun will be had by all soon :)

mBox
Jun 21, 2011, 01:25 PM
No in- or output via AJA or Blackmagic cards...http://www.aja.com/support/konaNEW/kona-3-3x.php

MovieCutter
Jun 21, 2011, 01:41 PM
Bugger me sideways! Glad I finished off my current project in my age-old FCP rather than waiting for this new one. But a shame I can't polish it off in FCPX.

I hope someone finds a way around that.


You even CONSIDERED finishing off a project in a brand new piece of 1.0 software? Did you just start editing yesterday!? Who in their right mind puts the future of a project...client-owned or now...in the hands of unreleased/untested software!!!???

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 01:44 PM
"Apple has been very specific, that this is not the final state of FCP X. Features are expected to be added quickly, via the App Store, with some of them waiting to show up natively in OS X Lion and with support for Thunderbolt."

Is it up to the customer to read every blog out there to collect information that is secondhand and could as easily be considered just hearsay, rather than Apple to make an official statement with regards to their own software?

I stumbled upon this information accidentally and then checked the Apple FCPX pages, and found NOTHING that made reference to missing features that might (emphasis is mine) be added later. Is this the way a company the size of Apple, whose mantra is akin to "it's all about the customer", releases a complete re-write of professional software that many people count on to earn a living?

To paraphrase something I read recently with regards to Apple, "It's just as important what Apple doesn't tell you, as what they do".

citi
Jun 21, 2011, 01:48 PM
Do I need Final Cut X to run the new Motion app or is it truly stand alone? I can't find that answer on the page.

Chaos123x
Jun 21, 2011, 01:49 PM
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I guess the 3870 won't work with this new Final Cut. That really sucks because I bought the 3870 for Final Cut!

Don't really feel like paying for another overpriced graphics card.


Anyone know if the 9600GT mobile card in my MacBook Pro will work? If not I'm going to hold off on this new Final Cut for a long long time.

tivoboy
Jun 21, 2011, 01:51 PM
Wow, my late 2008 MBP Nvidia graphics card, no love. Seems the early unibody won't play nice either.

My imac 2009, no love, this is pretty depressing, can't even upgrade to this latest software and have it work! What are they thinking, one has to have at most a 2 year old mac of so form to get this application to run?

mBox
Jun 21, 2011, 01:53 PM
Is it up to the customer to read every blog out there to collect information that is secondhand and could as easily be considered just hearsay, rather than Apple to make an official statement with regards to their own software?..actually my company expects to be on the up and up when it comes to issues such as this. with the internet, I cant lie anymore and say that we cant finish it cause were waiting for a software update to be shipped to us or that I didn't know about that problem before we buy :) so due diligence and research till your fingers bleed folks before you buy.
I spend my own money to see this version for myself at the SuperMeet NAB. It was worth it and now thats its installed, Im at peace ;) well actually Ill be at peace when they finally let you split the View window. bugger to deal with using Dual 30's.

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 02:06 PM
So you can import an iMovie project but not a FCP7 project? I'm just stunned at what is going on here.

And without XML/EDL support you're locked into finishing in FCPX? No way to export and load into Resolve?

I'll give it some time, but...

scottsjack
Jun 21, 2011, 02:06 PM
Not to fret. Apple's "pro" Aperture 3 was really crappy when first released inspite of the fact that it had been in public beta for awhile. For many it behaved like alpha level software. It took about six months or more before A3was really usable without blowing up stuff.

Granted that Aperture 3 is more of an "iPhoto Deluxe" than an Adobe pro competitor but regardless it did take a while before it didn't suck really bad. I suspect that Final Cut X's future is similar to A3's.

ValSalva
Jun 21, 2011, 02:10 PM
Not to fret. Apple's "pro" Aperture 3 was really crappy when first released inspite of the fact that it had been in public beta for awhile. For many it behaved like alpha level software. It took about six months or more before A3was really usable without blowing up stuff.

Granted that Aperture 3 is more of an "iPhoto Deluxe" than an Adobe pro competitor but regardless it did take a while before it didn't suck really bad. I suspect that Final Cut X's future is similar to A3's.

Six months? :eek: That's just too long.

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 02:11 PM
so due diligence and research till your fingers bleed folks before you buy.

I agree with you 100%. I haven't purchased FCPX. I'm doing my research now, and the issue I have with Apple is that the majority of this information is NOT coming from Apple.

jonnysods
Jun 21, 2011, 02:14 PM
This is such a good collection of software that I want it and I can't justify why. It looks really, really good, but I have the previous release and my wife would kill me for upgrading!

xUKHCx
Jun 21, 2011, 02:15 PM
my wife would kill me for upgrading!

Only if she found out ;):D

Affirmed
Jun 21, 2011, 02:19 PM
This product is not meant for Pros. This may be great software for consumers and is priced accordingly, but I don't know a single working editor that would upgrade today.

No Dual Monitor Support.
No SDI out
No support for SDI video Cards
No support for Decks
No OMF output???

I suspected it was the end of the Apple's support for Traditional NLE's when I saw the pre-announcement, but after having tested it, it's clear. This is a product for people who do not have to Deliver. This is a neat little video editing app, but it's unusable in a production environment.

Judging by the heavy heavy reliance on the mouse, You can see how this app was written to ultimately become an iOS type app controlled by touch screen.

raven13mb
Jun 21, 2011, 02:25 PM
Can this be installed on two or three different computers if you download it?

42streetsdown
Jun 21, 2011, 02:28 PM
I wonder why they support the non OpenCL compliant Intel HD 3000, and not any other non OpenCL card. This lack card support is making me a sad panda bear. :(

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 02:29 PM
This product is not meant for Pros. This may be great software for consumers and is priced accordingly, but I don't know a single working editor that would upgrade today.

I started with FCP 1.25, bought DVDSP when it was standalone for $1,000, have upgraded each time at considerable cost. And this is the first time I have considered skipping a version.

What a shame too, with what is probably a mega jump in system performance the bottleneck is now the app itself.

cmfilms
Jun 21, 2011, 02:42 PM
If you've got questions for people using FCPX already, you can join the FCPX Facebook group.

The questions and solutions are flying fast and furious over there.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_210098939031515&ap=1

cmfilms
Jun 21, 2011, 02:43 PM
Can this be installed on two or three different computers if you download it?

Yes, up to 5 authorized computers on your account.

TheNightPhoenix
Jun 21, 2011, 02:47 PM
No Dual Monitor Support.


:confused: I've got mine running on Dual Monitors

Haberdasher
Jun 21, 2011, 02:51 PM
This product is not meant for Pros. This may be great software for consumers and is priced accordingly, but I don't know a single working editor that would upgrade today.

No Dual Monitor Support.
No SDI out
No support for SDI video Cards
No support for Decks
No OMF output???

I suspected it was the end of the Apple's support for Traditional NLE's when I saw the pre-announcement, but after having tested it, it's clear. This is a product for people who do not have to Deliver. This is a neat little video editing app, but it's unusable in a production environment.

Judging by the heavy heavy reliance on the mouse, You can see how this app was written to ultimately become an iOS type app controlled by touch screen.

Let's get this straight -- if you were actually working on any pro projects right now, you wouldn't be a fool and upgrade to a total overhaul of your primary program on day 1. Period. FCP X previews showed many of these features would be absent from the 1.0 release but on their way in imminent future updates. If you needed any of those features and you updated, again...what were you thinking?

I think the idea is for Apple to start grabbing prosumers now, as well as letting full-time editors screw around on second computers and start to understand the major overhaul.

steveh
Jun 21, 2011, 02:59 PM
what does the upgrade from final cut express 4 to final cut pro cost?

$299us

mBox
Jun 21, 2011, 03:01 PM
:confused: I've got mine running on Dual MonitorsSame here but the poster means you cant tear a window out and place on another monitor. With my Dual 30's the View window fits nicely on one side at least but timecode area is split in half. Such is life ;)

steveh
Jun 21, 2011, 03:17 PM
this may be the end of Apple!!!
I fear Pros no longer can take the company serious
As A Pro, you want your progs to help you, not to keep you busy by having to learmn and organize everything new again, by not being able to use stuff just recently

Following this argument, no pro applications must ever change from the initial release. They're cast in stone and that's that.

Some people work wood with a minimal set of hand tools.

Others add tools and skills to get their job done.

ddavid
Jun 21, 2011, 03:23 PM
oh you kids crack me up ;) patience my friends, fun will be had by all soon :)

What?? Patience?? Why should anyone have patience on such a mainstay production program?? If it doesn't work or have all the features REQUIRED for professional editing it should have not have been released. We can patiently wait for the product to be released but NOT for updates to fix hobbled software.

Hey Jobs, WTF?

reel2reel
Jun 21, 2011, 03:24 PM
Wow, I was holding out so much hope for this FCP re-do, but this:

- Final Cut Pro X is compatible with iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPad 2, and iPod touch (4th generation).
- Final Cut Pro X is compatible with most MiniDV tape-based camcorders using DV and HDV formats, which use a FireWire (also known as IEEE 1394 or i.LINK) cable to transfer video.

is TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE.

I wonder what our broadcasters will say when we have to deliver our show on MiniDV, hahaha.

So glad it supports the iPhone, though. What a joke. They should give this thing away for free, really.

sotorious
Jun 21, 2011, 03:25 PM
Wow, my late 2008 MBP Nvidia graphics card, no love. Seems the early unibody won't play nice either.

My imac 2009, no love, this is pretty depressing, can't even upgrade to this latest software and have it work! What are they thinking, one has to have at most a 2 year old mac of so form to get this application to run?

That sucks, you might as well wait for the bootleg version to see if it may allow you to install it.

odedia
Jun 21, 2011, 03:26 PM
I wonder why they support the non OpenCL compliant Intel HD 3000, and not any other non OpenCL card. This lack card support is making me a sad panda bear. :(

Simple - They still sell a ton of HD 3000 equipped machines today, even in their "Pro" line. They have to support it.

steveh
Jun 21, 2011, 03:27 PM
Six months? :eek: That's just too long.

Asserting that Aperture 3 was unusable for the first six months is a bit of an exaggeration. Somewhere closer to 4 - 8 weeks, with some pathological examples taking longer to shake out.

TheNightPhoenix
Jun 21, 2011, 03:34 PM
I'm guessing most of the people spelling disaster aren't long time Mac users.
The response to FCPX is the same as when OSX came out.

People bitched about a lack of features or hardware support and it spelled the doom of Apple. Yet Apple managed the transition pretty darn well then and I suspect they will do the same again. Apple will add new features and bring back old ones and overall improve everything. In a few years time people will remember the time FCPX came out and how everyone went nuts, and they will laugh about it.

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 03:36 PM
Import from Apple devices including iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad 2.

Import projects and Events from iMovie.

Export presets for Apple devices, including Apple TV, iPhone, iPad, and Mac

Export presets for YouTube, Podcast Producer, Facebook, Vimeo, CNN iReport, and email

My gut feeling is that this should be called Final Cut eXpress.

reel2reel
Jun 21, 2011, 03:39 PM
I'm guessing most of the people spelling disaster aren't long time Mac users.
The response to FCPX is the same as when OSX came out.

People bitched about a lack of features or hardware support and it spelled the doom of Apple. Yet Apple managed the transition pretty darn well then and I suspect they will do the same again. Apple will add new features and bring back old ones and overall improve everything. In a few years time people will remember the time FCPX came out and how everyone went nuts, and they will laugh about it.

Uhhhh.....WRONG.

I've been using Mac's since my Color Classic. Does that count??? I've been using FCP since version 1.0. Does that count??? I embraced OSX and loved it immediately and never looked back to OS 9. So you're wrong.

I just hope there's a bigger plan in the works. That maybe Final Cut X is for the youtube kids but an actual production-level app is on the way. Otherwise, I'm hoping some other company is going to step up and fill the void. But that makes me sad because I'm Apple born and bred.

(I also don't think it's any kind of doom for Apple. That's just silly.)

hvfsl
Jun 21, 2011, 03:40 PM
Wow, my late 2008 MBP Nvidia graphics card, no love. Seems the early unibody won't play nice either.

My imac 2009, no love, this is pretty depressing, can't even upgrade to this latest software and have it work! What are they thinking, one has to have at most a 2 year old mac of so form to get this application to run?
Where are your getting your info from? My late 2008 MBP is supported (9600m), I assume you mean you have a 13inch with the 9400m. I can't see anywhere where it says the GPU is unsupported and my understanding is if you have enough RAM, it will allocate 256MB to the graphics.

Apple isn't just making random cut offs here, the ATI 2xxx series cards don't have the hardware to support OpenCL. Plus it looks like you need at least 256mb for it to work well enough (although I guess someone could probably hack this limit, will probably be slow though).

Let's get this straight -- if you were actually working on any pro projects right now, you wouldn't be a fool and upgrade to a total overhaul of your primary program on day 1. Period. FCP X previews showed many of these features would be absent from the 1.0 release but on their way in imminent future updates. If you needed any of those features and you updated, again...what were you thinking?

I think the idea is for Apple to start grabbing prosumers now, as well as letting full-time editors screw around on second computers and start to understand the major overhaul.
Exactly, I am glad they released it now (even if it isn't finished yet). Will mean I will be able to mess around with it when I go on holiday this summer.

ddavid
Jun 21, 2011, 03:44 PM
I'm guessing most of the people spelling disaster aren't long time Mac users.
The response to FCPX is the same as when OSX came out.

People bitched about a lack of features or hardware support and it spelled the doom of Apple. Yet Apple managed the transition pretty darn well then and I suspect they will do the same again. Apple will add new features and bring back old ones and overall improve everything. In a few years time people will remember the time FCPX came out and how everyone went nuts, and they will laugh about it.

In a few years time people will almost remember a time when pros used some NLE by Apple. People get up and work every day and need stuff that works too. If pros have to switch to Adobe while Apple adds features I doubt they'll switch back in "a few years time." If this is crap, hobbled, beta, featureless scrapbooking software then Apple should release it for free for a couple of years while they get it together, or remove the pro and just call it Final Cut beta or perhaps Interim Cut Pro.

mBox
Jun 21, 2011, 03:50 PM
In a few years time people will almost remember a time when pros used some NLE by Apple. People get up and work every day and need stuff that works too. If pros have to switch to Adobe while Apple adds features I doubt they'll switch back in "a few years time." If this is crap, hobbled, beta, featureless scrapbooking software then Apple should release it for free for a couple of years while they get it together, or remove the pro and just call it Final Cut beta or perhaps Interim Cut Pro.Aahh I remember trying to do "Pro" edits in Premiere.x then media100. I dont see why everyone has to jump ship if you already own a legit copy of FCS. Heck we have six CS5 Master Collections here and to date PPro sits third in the NLE pecking order (Avid then FCP). Lets all just relax and learn the software. If you dont buy it...****! ;)

Affirmed
Jun 21, 2011, 03:53 PM
Let's get this straight -- if you were actually working on any pro projects right now, you wouldn't be a fool and upgrade to a total overhaul of your primary program on day 1. Period. FCP X previews showed many of these features would be absent from the 1.0 release but on their way in imminent future updates. If you needed any of those features and you updated, again...what were you thinking?

I think the idea is for Apple to start grabbing prosumers now, as well as letting full-time editors screw around on second computers and start to understand the major overhaul.

I don't know a single editor or post professional that was planning on using this day one. Now I know about 10 who have no plan to ever use it.

The only reason I can even comment on it at all is because we installed FCPX on two systems here to play around with. Copies we didn't have to pay for by the way.

Beyond 64 bit support, there is nothing in this software that we desire in our workflow. I thought calling it iMovie Pro prior to it's release was kind of disingenuous, but now that i've actually had my hands on it, that's exactly what it is. I wouldn't even bother to put it on my personal laptop. FCP 7 is much more intuitive for editing even the quickest little videos.

reel2reel
Jun 21, 2011, 03:58 PM
Despite my bitching, I gotta say I'm pretty excited about some of the features: the magnetic timeline, the metadata support and the built-in color controls.

It's just such a tease right now.

CIA
Jun 21, 2011, 04:01 PM
So my experience so far. I downloaded it this morning from my 2007 iMac (2.8 C2D 4GB). I didn't launch it there, but it did let me download it. I think it only has 2600HD graphics inside though.
Screen shared into work and started the download on my MacPro (2008 3.2Ghz, 16GB, 8800GT card).

Got into work (Small TV station) and fired it up (after running software update for the other updates that went with it. I'm the guinea pig for the station to see if this transition will work.

Right now as I type this I'm importing some footage shot in HDV from a Sony Z1U camera. It shows in Final Cut as a Sony HDV device, so I'm guessing all our HDV decks and camera's will work for import. Once I'm done importing I'll start the edit and report back. So far it won't let me launch FCP7 while FCPX is running.


Update... I can get FCP7 to open while capturing in FCPX. But a window pops up on FCPX saying I must quit FCPX to continue using it. Capture (in X) does continue in the background, but I probably won't be able to edit in FCPX until I quit 7. Sure enough when I quit 7, the window in FCPX went away. I could edit in FCP7 while capturing (from tape) in X though.

Update 2... It just dawned on me that I can no longer do batch captures, it'll just take whatever's on the tape. Granted with cheap hard drives that's not a big deal, but that feature is gone. So much for logging footage pre-ingest.

Update 3... Capture complete, but I can't figure out how to tell FCPX to put captured footage in my capture RAID, and not default to my internal HD.

Update 4... A little confusion about the new "Events" feature. It's very iPhoto-esque. I created a new "Event" on my video Storage RAID, and was able to move all the clips into that from my internal movie folder. The "reveal in finder" option shows the clips are now in that location, but only as Alias's.

Update 5..... I have launched (but not edited anything) FCPX on my Core 2 Duo 2007 iMac 2.8 (4GB) with Radeon 2600HD graphics, even though Apple says that machine won't work with FCPX.

Haberdasher
Jun 21, 2011, 04:07 PM
I don't know a single editor or post professional that was planning on using this day one. Now I know about 10 who have no plan to ever use it.

The only reason I can even comment on it at all is because we installed FCPX on two systems here to play around with. Copies we didn't have to pay for by the way.

Beyond 64 bit support, there is nothing in this software that we desire in our workflow. I thought calling it iMovie Pro prior to it's release was kind of disingenuous, but now that i've actually had my hands on it, that's exactly what it is. I wouldn't even bother to put it on my personal laptop. FCP 7 is much more intuitive for editing even the quickest little videos.

Print out your comments and put them on your wall. Check them in two years. Like all major software overhauls, no one expected everyone to upgrade day one. As bit by bit the software improves and becomes more ready for prime time, eventually it'll trickle up until in a few years lots of FCPers are using it.

And of course the software you live and breathe seems more intuitive than a complete overhaul on day one! Rushing to call it iMovie Pro or whining the crap out of this release makes you look silly and impatient, not smarter than everyone else.

No one is making you buy this, and FCP 7 is quite fine for now. What's your rush?

ddavid
Jun 21, 2011, 04:24 PM
Why is everyone calling it an upgrade?

johnnyfx
Jun 21, 2011, 04:25 PM
FCP 7 is widely used because it has deck support, supports EDL's OMF's XML.

The bad:
You can import from iMovie, but not FCP7 (You are prompted to import from iMovie when you first fire it up).

There doesn't appear to be a PDF manual (just a help file)
It appears to do a lot of stuff in the background automatically. I swear I saw the colours on a clip change without me doing anything (there is a background tasks panel that shows what's going on but I didn't keep it open).

There are "presets" in the colour tool like "moonlight" and "sewer". There's also the famed "magic auto color balance" (so I guess that's all you colourists out of a job then).

Most of the icons are different from FCP7, as are the menus. So a bit of a learning curve there.

There is no support for decks. At. All. You can import HDV/DV/etc. but apparently not any grown-up tape formats.

The good:

It seems very fast.

So as I said what is the point, why did they not call it iMovie Pro. Rather than kill a great editing system!

RIP FCP!!!

Affirmed
Jun 21, 2011, 04:28 PM
Print out your comments and put them on your wall. Check them in two years. Like all major software overhauls, no one expected everyone to upgrade day one. As bit by bit the software improves and becomes more ready for prime time, eventually it'll trickle up until in a few years lots of FCPers are using it.

And of course the software you live and breathe seems more intuitive than a complete overhaul on day one! Rushing to call it iMovie Pro or whining the crap out of this release makes you look silly and impatient, not smarter than everyone else.

No one is making you buy this, and FCP 7 is quite fine for now. What's your rush?

Ha, ok kid. Read my comments from the beginning of the thread. Nobody was planning on using it for actual work today. My comments are based on using the free copies I installed after Apple sent them to me for my editors to try. Normally we get it pre-release, this time we didn't. Typically that happens when Apple knows what they are sending is not all there.

I'm not even so sure why you are defending the product as you seem to agree that it's still mostly at a beta stage.

Ugh, fanboys.

mactree
Jun 21, 2011, 04:44 PM
I feel like apple needed to be forthcoming about what wasn't going to be there in this initial release. I don't like feeling tricked.

Clearly the only motivation as far as I can see with not fully disclosing the info, is to make sure people buy the product, therefore they are using smoke and mirrors. In all my many years of being an apple supporter, I have never worried about being let down, this is a first. If apple's plan is to eventually have it up to speed as far as features go with fcp7 then that's fantastic, just fill the customer in.

When you call your new product Final Cut Pro, then that's what I'm expecting. Something better than what I have currently as a pro editor.

I've ALWAYS been able to hit the ground running with Apple's past products. Just very surprised here.

Studio96
Jun 21, 2011, 04:51 PM
Damn, my MBP 3,1 is on the exception KB article list..

ellsworth
Jun 21, 2011, 04:53 PM
"Apple has been very specific, that this is not the final state of FCP X. Features are expected to be added quickly, via the App Store, with some of them waiting to show up natively in OS X Lion and with support for Thunderbolt."

Doesn't make sense releasing a software that's not ready for the masses? Pretty silly if you ask me.

portishead
Jun 21, 2011, 04:55 PM
Ha, ok kid. Read my comments from the beginning of the thread. Nobody was planning on using it for actual work today. My comments are based on using the free copies I installed after Apple sent them to me for my editors to try. Normally we get it pre-release, this time we didn't. Typically that happens when Apple knows what they are sending is not all there.

I'm not even so sure why you are defending the product as you seem to agree that it's still mostly at a beta stage.

Ugh, fanboys.

Free copies from Apple? OMG can I touch you?

portishead
Jun 21, 2011, 05:02 PM
Final Cut Pro X isn't going to be ready for professional use for another 6 months to a year.

Anyone who thought this was going to replace your NLE right away is foolish.

It's great that the app was re-written, and using AVFoundation, but it's missing quite a bit of professional features that have been discussed a million times.

Nothing really new to be said, but people speaking of FCPX demise already kinda missed the point. FCP7 works fine for me. I have no problem using it for the next year, even two, until FCPX does what I need it to.

One day, FCPX is going to be an insane editing app.

tivoboy
Jun 21, 2011, 05:06 PM
Where are your getting your info from? My late 2008 MBP is supported (9600m), I assume you mean you have a 13inch with the 9400m. I can't see anywhere where it says the GPU is unsupported and my understanding is if you have enough RAM, it will allocate 256MB to the graphics.

says right here at the bottom of the page

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4664

but as of NOW it shows the 128MB cliff apparently, they must have updated it to include these. Let's check the imac now

Aiwaz418
Jun 21, 2011, 05:15 PM
The increased speed in some regards (i.e., playback, transcoding, etc.) is amazing, but the complete lack of support for basic features such as the export of XML and EDL files for professional finishing in other software is criminal. The changes to the interface and workflow are frustrating, but can be learned, however...

I've been cutting feature films and television programs for years with FCP, and without the ability to export files for use in third party software for color correction and other finishing, the latest version is utterly useless in a professional environment.

This is simply NOT a professional piece of software at this point in time.

I am vastly disappointed in Apple, and our company may have to look to an alternative software for editorial purposes moving forward.

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 05:21 PM
The increased speed in some regards (i.e., playback, transcoding, etc.) is amazing, but the complete lack of support for basic features such as the export of XML and EDL files for professional finishing in other software is criminal.

+1 It was a real shocker for me, not because of a few missing extra features, but that a professional editor can't use it!

osxhero
Jun 21, 2011, 05:23 PM
I have to say, based on the 1 star reviews on the App Store, I'm very thankful I waited to read before buying. I absolutely hate iMovie with a passion, and will never pay for a professional product that emulates it in any way.

Least of all "face recognition" that eats up HOURS of useless time for something I have no use for.

menano
Jun 21, 2011, 05:31 PM
I'm happy to see that my computer supports FCX and that it supports my camera! We'll see about all the complaints..

Imhotep397
Jun 21, 2011, 05:51 PM
I can see this is gonna suck. (Just the situation in general)

There are a lot of automatic features that are going to make this thing beastly if they work as advertised, but the lack support for systems that are more than two years old (like 3 years old is the cutoff), plus the lack of support for fairly late model iMacs (which Apple has promoted as professional tools for years.) Also, the lack of basic 3-point editing in favor of this timeline only editing crap which was tried with about the first 3 or 4 versions of Premiere, which has never been accepted as a real pro tool is ridiculous.

Automatic color timing /SWEET!/
Automatic image stabilization /SWEET!/
Automatic scene sorting /SWEET!/
Automatic indestructible sound sync /SWEET!/
Automatic robust networkable media management /SWEET!/

These are all critical things, but so is 3-point editing and that's the heart of every editing station and the first thing every editor expects to see.

noshjewman
Jun 21, 2011, 05:58 PM
4870 doesn't work in the 1,1 if I understand correctly?

I haven't read through the whole thread, so maybe this has been answered elsewhere, but I can confirm that the 4870 works in a Mac Pro 1,1.

I'm downloading FCP X now - hope it won't disappoint as much as some feel! I've been waiting since FCP 5 to upgrade the home office.

fat phil
Jun 21, 2011, 06:15 PM
What a surprise, Apple wants everyone to buy new computers.

Thankfully I learned my lesson when the Genius Bar refused to send me a replacement for the X1900 in my 2006 Mac Pro - insisting I had to bring the whole machine in so they could replace the card themselves (because, you know, it's a terribly tricky thing to do).

Like hell am I dragging 4k worth of kit into a shopping mall 20 miles away for them to fix a card that they denied was faulty for nearly 4 years.

I've always been a staunch Mac Pro advocate. I'm now a 100% Hackintosh advocate. And I don't have to worry about what video cards my expensive hardware is compatible with.

I don't run Hackintosh so I can put OS X on a cheaper computer. I do it because I get to put it on a computer I trust. The hell with proprietary desktops, and I can run FCP X on my "Mac" today.

toastboy
Jun 21, 2011, 06:22 PM
290583

bugfaceuk
Jun 21, 2011, 06:41 PM
In a few years time people will almost remember a time when pros used some NLE by Apple. People get up and work every day and need stuff that works too. If pros have to switch to Adobe while Apple adds features I doubt they'll switch back in "a few years time." If this is crap, hobbled, beta, featureless scrapbooking software then Apple should release it for free for a couple of years while they get it together, or remove the pro and just call it Final Cut beta or perhaps Interim Cut Pro.

This is such nonsense, as are most of the tantrums I am seeing in here. Firstly, Apple's made it quite clear we are on a journey. There's a bigger picture here and we've been explicitly told that.

Regardless. I find it laughable that self-styled "Professionals" are complaining they can't switch their work flow on day 1 release of an application that's core to their revenue stream. No professional would do that, even if feature X that they wanted was in there. You transition a work-flow, you take the opportunities to tune and refine it. Apple didn't uninstall older versions from your machine.

If you want to switch to Adobe because you are a long term malcontent, then switch. Do so professionally without throwing a hissy fit in a public forum. Perhaps write a blog about the experience afterwards to explain to others how you did it so they might learn from it and make the transition themselves if they want to.

I'm comfortable with this as an R1 application, the promise oozes out of every pore. I won't be using it for some time to come, but I knew that yesterday, and the day before, and the week before, and the months before. So did you. However, despite not being able to use it on production projects I can see what doors this application opens, and I look forward to stepping through them as the right projects come up and the software develops.

Let's be clear, if you are posting here as a professional who is disappointed you can't switch today, or even this year... you're not a professional.

hayesk
Jun 21, 2011, 07:07 PM
What a surprise, Apple wants everyone to buy new computers.

Wrong. Apple will let you upgrade your video card.

Thankfully I learned my lesson when the Genius Bar refused to send me a replacement for the X1900 in my 2006 Mac Pro - insisting I had to bring the whole machine in so they could replace the card themselves (because, you know, it's a terribly tricky thing to do).

Like hell am I dragging 4k worth of kit into a shopping mall 20 miles away for them to fix a card that they denied was faulty for nearly 4 years.

So Apple offered to fix your problem, and you refused. Sounds like you are the cause of your own problem.

I've always been a staunch Mac Pro advocate. I'm now a 100% Hackintosh advocate. And I don't have to worry about what video cards my expensive hardware is compatible with.

I don't run Hackintosh so I can put OS X on a cheaper computer. I do it because I get to put it on a computer I trust. The hell with proprietary desktops, and I can run FCP X on my "Mac" today.

Now you are a criminal and using your own refusal from Apple as a lame rationalization. Honestly, you don't sound like a professional.

H. Flower
Jun 21, 2011, 07:09 PM
This is such nonsense, as are most of the tantrums I am seeing in here. Firstly, Apple's made it quite clear we are on a journey. There's a bigger picture here and we've been explicitly told that.

Regardless. I find it laughable that self-styled "Professionals" are complaining they can't switch their work flow on day 1 release of an application that's core to their revenue stream. No professional would do that, even if feature X that they wanted was in there. You transition a work-flow, you take the opportunities to tune and refine it. Apple didn't uninstall older versions from your machine.

If you want to switch to Adobe because you are a long term malcontent, then switch. Do so professionally without throwing a hissy fit in a public forum. Perhaps write a blog about the experience afterwards to explain to others how you did it so they might learn from it and make the transition themselves if they want to.

I'm comfortable with this as an R1 application, the promise oozes out of every pore. I won't be using it for some time to come, but I knew that yesterday, and the day before, and the week before, and the months before. So did you. However, despite not being able to use it on production projects I can see what doors this application opens, and I look forward to stepping through them as the right projects come up and the software develops.

Let's be clear, if you are posting here as a professional who is disappointed you can't switch today, or even this year... you're not a professional.

I agree that FCP X will probably eventually become a pro app, but you're missing the point: FCP 7 is SEVERELY behind the technology and many of us have to move on or will lose work to competitors.

One or two years worth of being behind in our profession (waiting for features that quite frankly should have been delivered in 2011) IS a big deal and a lot of money lost.

Aiwaz418
Jun 21, 2011, 07:10 PM
Let's be clear, if you are posting here as a professional who is disappointed you can't switch today, or even this year... you're not a professional.Being in the middle of two different feature projects at the moment in FCP 7, I had no desire to switch today, but I DID have a desire to test the functionality of FCP X and it failed in a professional environment.

This 'journey' of which you speak seems so far to be one of dumbed-down interfaces and features, more suited to experienced amateurs wishing to post polished videos on YouTube rather than the pros who have supported this product for years and have utilized it on features and in television.

If the software was not ready to be utilized in a pro environment TODAY, it should not have been released, period, or should have been named 'iMovie Pro' or 'Final Cut Amateur'.

It's a slap in the face, plain and simple.

gr8tfly
Jun 21, 2011, 07:13 PM
I can see this is gonna suck. (Just the situation in general)

There are a lot of automatic features that are going to make this thing beastly if they work as advertised, but the lack support for systems that are more than two years old (like 3 years old is the cutoff), plus the lack of support for fairly late model iMacs (which Apple has promoted as professional tools for years.) Also, the lack of basic 3-point editing in favor of this timeline only editing crap which was tried with about the first 3 or 4 versions of Premiere, which has never been accepted as a real pro tool is ridiculous.

Automatic color timing /SWEET!/
Automatic image stabilization /SWEET!/
Automatic scene sorting /SWEET!/
Automatic indestructible sound sync /SWEET!/
Automatic robust networkable media management /SWEET!/

These are all critical things, but so is 3-point editing and that's the heart of every editing station and the first thing every editor expects to see.

3-point Editing Overview (http://help.apple.com/finalcutpro/mac/10.0/#ver549f2208)

You can use the traditional "I" & "O" keys the same as always - unless I'm missing something (or you're referring to something else".

As for apparent lack of ability to import from FCP or FCE, that's disappointing. But, as others have mentioned - it's still early. For me, I don't have any incomplete projects that I would want to continue in FCPX (or a need to import completed ones), so it's not much of an issue for me. I can always use FCE for those, if needed.

I've been using FCE for many years. Even though it does support AVCHD, it requires transcoding. Native editing of AVCHD is a major selling point [for me] - especially with the new pricing. I'll probably jump on board fairly soon.

zephonic
Jun 21, 2011, 07:22 PM
Is that the sound of champagne bottles being uncorked at Avid HQ?

Next up, Logic Studio...

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 07:25 PM
Let's be clear, if you are posting here as a professional who is disappointed you can't switch today, or even this year... you're not a professional.

You're assuming that the complaints are that "professionals want to be able to switch today, or this year" but I read the complaints that FCPX is missing the very basic features that make it professional.

And I should add that if FCPX doesn't work for those who wish to transition to it from FCP7 or another application, why should one buy it? What is the point if you have to wait and hope that someday it might include features and functionality when Apple isn't saying that it will? There are other options out there, although I had high hopes for this release.

johnnymg
Jun 21, 2011, 07:42 PM
Is that the sound of champagne bottles being uncorked at Avid HQ?

Next up, Logic Studio...

No, it's the sound of the giant Apple cash register going kachiiiiing. ;)

scottsjack
Jun 21, 2011, 07:44 PM
One of the chief points made in this thread is this; Apple has been accused of ignoring the pro market they once catered to. We've heard to talk, no more Apple pro quality monitors just pretty good ones. No more class leading Mac Pros, just pretty good ones. Closed systems, controlled software, etc.

Well the big deal was supposed to be the new Final Cut, "Wow, they're back in the pro market". Super Final Cut Pro X would solidify Apple's commitment and give them a reason to continue producing Mac Pros and the pro motion/still software used on them.

In reality Apple has released a really great FC/iMovie hybrid that works very well on modern machines. It's kind of a mirror image of iPhoto and Aperture 3. The idea that the market should give them time to get it right is just plain stupid. Who would buy hardware that might only become usable in the next few months? Easy answer, no one.

Let's face it and get over it. Apple is really shooting for the upscale, knowledgeable amateur, 'form is as important as function' market now with the majority of its products.

As noted earlier, times change. It isn't either good or bad, it's just the way it is.

MacintoshMan
Jun 21, 2011, 07:45 PM
I agree that FCP X will probably eventually become a pro app, but you're missing the point: FCP 7 is SEVERELY behind the technology and many of us have to move on or will lose work to competitors.

One or two years worth of being behind in our profession (waiting for features that quite frankly should have been delivered in 2011) IS a big deal and a lot of money lost.

FCP X is going the way of QTX. It's garbage. It's pretty sad the industry is stuck on PCP7 or we'd all be using Adobe Premier.

For the business I work for 18 workstations x FCP X upgrade is $5400. That is awful, not to mention. I can't keep a copy of the installer on my SMB server? What a joke. You know how much longer it will take to download it through "app" store on every machine?

darthraige
Jun 21, 2011, 08:02 PM
Nice to see that Apple gives us a list of Graphics Cards to BUY in order to get Final Cut Pro X. What a joke.

Gen
Jun 21, 2011, 08:17 PM
Geez, FCPX is at 2 1/2 stars in the App Store ... ouch

thunderclap
Jun 21, 2011, 08:47 PM
Well I guess I'll be holding off. I was waiting to see what people thought of it and I've gotten my answer.

goombamd
Jun 21, 2011, 08:57 PM
I bought CS5.5 master collection with some grant funds that were expiring... got the whole suite for $599 through academic store and havent opened it yet because I thought I might return it and get the new FCPX. Sounds like I should stick with CS5.5? Any thoughts?

mBox
Jun 21, 2011, 09:04 PM
FCP X is going the way of QTX. It's garbage. It's pretty sad the industry is stuck on PCP7 or we'd all be using Adobe Premier.

For the business I work for 18 workstations x FCP X upgrade is $5400. That is awful, not to mention. I can't keep a copy of the installer on my SMB server? What a joke. You know how much longer it will take to download it through "app" store on every machine?Hmm you can install up to 5 on one purchase dude/dudette :)

mBox
Jun 21, 2011, 09:08 PM
I bought CS5.5 master collection with some grant funds that were expiring... got the whole suite for $599 through academic store and havent opened it yet because I thought I might return it and get the new FCPX. Sounds like I should stick with CS5.5? Any thoughts?thats a no brainer dude. you get the Master Collection first, learn After Effects and Premiere the buy FCPX v1.1 when your ready ;)

NY Guitarist
Jun 21, 2011, 09:44 PM
thats a no brainer dude. you get the Master Collection first, learn After Effects and Premiere the buy FCPX v1.1 when your ready ;)

Exactly right. I have multiple NLE and DAW packages and keep as current as I can with them.

CS5.5 Master Collection is not too shabby either.

fat phil
Jun 22, 2011, 02:54 AM
Wrong. Apple will let you upgrade your video card.

So Apple offered to fix your problem, and you refused. Sounds like you are the cause of your own problem.


Now you are a criminal and using your own refusal from Apple as a lame rationalization. Honestly, you don't sound like a professional.

Dude, you are so out of touch.

Darien Red Sox
Jun 22, 2011, 09:12 AM
This is such nonsense, as are most of the tantrums I am seeing in here. Firstly, Apple's made it quite clear we are on a journey. There's a bigger picture here and we've been explicitly told that.

Regardless. I find it laughable that self-styled "Professionals" are complaining they can't switch their work flow on day 1 release of an application that's core to their revenue stream. No professional would do that, even if feature X that they wanted was in there. You transition a work-flow, you take the opportunities to tune and refine it. Apple didn't uninstall older versions from your machine.

If you want to switch to Adobe because you are a long term malcontent, then switch. Do so professionally without throwing a hissy fit in a public forum. Perhaps write a blog about the experience afterwards to explain to others how you did it so they might learn from it and make the transition themselves if they want to.

I'm comfortable with this as an R1 application, the promise oozes out of every pore. I won't be using it for some time to come, but I knew that yesterday, and the day before, and the week before, and the months before. So did you. However, despite not being able to use it on production projects I can see what doors this application opens, and I look forward to stepping through them as the right projects come up and the software develops.

Let's be clear, if you are posting here as a professional who is disappointed you can't switch today, or even this year... you're not a professional.

I work in IT and know that most pros win any field will wait a good wile before switching over software. As for the things some are complaining about being not pro such as exporting to YouTube and Facebook, are important in this day and age and are required for pros because these websites are key in communicating with there customers.

timdafweak
Jun 22, 2011, 09:35 AM
I've been using FCE for many years. Even though it does support AVCHD, it requires transcoding. Native editing of AVCHD is a major selling point [for me] - especially with the new pricing. I'll probably jump on board fairly soon.

Exactly, that alone was worth the price to me. Finally I can scrap my Windows PC. Whew.

Chris Blount
Jun 22, 2011, 09:42 AM
By the way, it seems FCPX doesn't handle transport streams (m2t files). I use those files to archive footage from a Sony MiniDV HD camcorder.

So basically, if you need to import from MiniDV, you still need to capture directly from the camcorder itself rather than using previously saved transport streams.

thunderclap
Jun 22, 2011, 10:34 AM
I've been using FCE for many years. Even though it does support AVCHD, it requires transcoding. Native editing of AVCHD is a major selling point [for me] - especially with the new pricing. I'll probably jump on board fairly soon.

So does this mean you an edit MP4 files natively? That's nice if true...

mactree
Jun 22, 2011, 10:42 AM
This is such nonsense, as are most of the tantrums I am seeing in here. Firstly, Apple's made it quite clear we are on a journey. There's a bigger picture here and we've been explicitly told that.

Regardless. I find it laughable that self-styled "Professionals" are complaining they can't switch their work flow on day 1 release of an application that's core to their revenue stream. No professional would do that, even if feature X that they wanted was in there. You transition a work-flow, you take the opportunities to tune and refine it. Apple didn't uninstall older versions from your machine.

If you want to switch to Adobe because you are a long term malcontent, then switch. Do so professionally without throwing a hissy fit in a public forum. Perhaps write a blog about the experience afterwards to explain to others how you did it so they might learn from it and make the transition themselves if they want to.

I'm comfortable with this as an R1 application, the promise oozes out of every pore. I won't be using it for some time to come, but I knew that yesterday, and the day before, and the week before, and the months before. So did you. However, despite not being able to use it on production projects I can see what doors this application opens, and I look forward to stepping through them as the right projects come up and the software develops.

Let's be clear, if you are posting here as a professional who is disappointed you can't switch today, or even this year... you're not a professional.


I can assure you I am a professional. And my history with Apple products has been such that I can use it professionally the day it is released. That is not the case here, and I'm shocked. Why am I on a journey with Apple when I just bought their software?

I honestly had no reason to think that the new version of Final Cut Pro would not have functionality that the old version did.

jayman99
Jun 22, 2011, 12:06 PM
I can confirm that I was able to purchase, download, install, and run Final Cut Pro X, Motion, and Compressor from the Mac App Store on my 2008 Mac Pro 8-core with the genuine ATI Radeon 3870 that I purchased direct from ATI when this card was released. No workaround, it just works. Final Cut Pro X uses all 8-cores too, by the way.

4God
Jun 22, 2011, 02:22 PM
Dang, so Compressor 4 is not 64bit? I'll be waiting on that one. I purchased FCPX yesterday and I'm happy with it. I hope to see multicam editing options soon though. I'll get the new Motion next.

mBox
Jun 22, 2011, 02:32 PM
..I purchased FCPX yesterday and I'm happy with it. I hope to see multicam editing options soon though. I'll get the new Motion next.damn I feel so left out :( it seems everyone is p*ssed that MultiCam isnt in this version. Ive yet to use that option. I show it in my class (teach it a local college at nights), but never had to use it for work.
we only shoot with one camera mostly.

4God
Jun 23, 2011, 02:10 AM
Yeah, I'll be starting a new project soon that will require multicam editing. I hope Apple doesn't take long to add that feature to FCPX.

Imhotep397
Jun 25, 2011, 12:08 PM
3-point Editing Overview (http://help.apple.com/finalcutpro/mac/10.0/#ver549f2208)

You can use the traditional "I" & "O" keys the same as always - unless I'm missing something (or you're referring to something else".

As for apparent lack of ability to import from FCP or FCE, that's disappointing. But, as others have mentioned - it's still early. For me, I don't have any incomplete projects that I would want to continue in FCPX (or a need to import completed ones), so it's not much of an issue for me. I can always use FCE for those, if needed.

I've been using FCE for many years. Even though it does support AVCHD, it requires transcoding. Native editing of AVCHD is a major selling point [for me] - especially with the new pricing. I'll probably jump on board fairly soon.

OK...Let me clarify. 3-point editing is really not just about keystrokes. 3-point editing without a proper viewer window integrated into the interface is, at best, half baked and at worst just not 3-point editing.

They should have increased the size of the working windows (Viewer and Canvas) and reduced the size of the timeline window. This method of timeline editing has been tried before and failed miserably by Adobe with Premiere. The timeline is really only useful for overlaying title generator like effects in a given project and honestly that moves into compositor duties. Obviously I've seen the transition that keeps moving more compositor duties into the lap of the editor, which is another conversation all together, but to basically turn Final Cut into a title generator with some editing features is just ridiculous. Final Cut leapfrogged Premiere because of this feature, so how or why Apple did not identify this fatal flaw early on in the process is beyond me.

I guess Final Cut Server is dead at this point? (Another idiotic move if that's the case.)

Virtually every editor wanted Final Cut 7 with up to date enhancements like 64-bit augmentation, better speed utilizing the GPU, expanded network operation that would allow for collaborative editing, an integrated DAM system that worked with all files from all apps so that incorporating up to date and approved assets in FCP just worked. Most people wanted smoother interoperation between the Apple Pro apps that would see the entire timeline effortlessly open in ANY of the Pro apps with a tab or something that re-interpreted parts of the timeline into whatever would be most functional for the app while still working within the constraints of the original edited timeline. All apps being able to work together via Final Cut Server in a networked environment is what's really needed not this mess. Motion, Color, Soundtrack Pro, DVD/Blu-Ray Studio, Logic and even SHAKE when it finally was supposed to be re-released would have all benefited greatly from these kinds of enhancements.

Avid MC is looking better by the day largely because of Apple which is very sad.