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MacRumors
Jun 22, 2011, 09:15 AM
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DigiTimes reports (http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110621PD222.html) that Amazon is set to launch its own tablet device within the next few months, adding yet another iPad competitor to the mix, but one with the ability to deliver significant media integration due to its existing businesses in the music and video markets. According to the report, Amazon is trying to bring the device to market well ahead of the holiday sales rush and will be shooting for aggressive shipments of 700,000-800,000 units per month with a goal of selling four million units before the end of the year.The timing of launch is to meet the peak sales period prior to Thanksgiving in the US and the year-end holidays in the US and Europe, the sources pointed out.

Amazon adopts processors developed by Texas Instruments, with Taiwan-based Wintek to supply touch panels, ILI Technology to supply LCD driver ICs and Quanta Computer responsible for assembly, the sources indicated.The report specifically mentions that Amazon will integrate streaming movie services with the new tablet, although the company's new Cloud Player (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/29/amazon-launches-cloud-based-storage-service-and-music-player/) for music should also make it simple for tablet owners to listen to their music on the device. It is unknown what platform Amazon will use for its tablet, but most observers presume that the device will be based on Android considering Amazon's existing offerings for the platform such as its Appstore for Android.

While competitors have been slow to react to the iPad's success and even in aggregate have still been unable to dethrone Apple's tablet from its dominant market position, new tablets are now appearing on a regular basis with most of the major computer and electronics players staking out their positions. And like Amazon, other companies such as HP (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/13/hp-preparing-to-take-on-apple-with-touchpad-potential-cloud-based-media-service/) are doing what they can to duplicate portions of Apple's integrated iOS ecosystem by moving to cloud-based media services that will allow music and other content to be easily accessed across devices.

Article Link: Amazon Set to Step Up as Next iPad Competitor (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/22/amazon-set-to-step-up-as-next-ipad-competitor/)



VicMacs
Jun 22, 2011, 09:17 AM
dream on...

deadlystriker
Jun 22, 2011, 09:19 AM
Wonder what they will come up with.

Samuriajackon
Jun 22, 2011, 09:19 AM
dream on...

Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

xUKHCx
Jun 22, 2011, 09:21 AM
App store - check
Online Music store - check
Kindle books store - check
Cloud - check


The only thing missing really is the hardware and they are good to go.

They have built up the ecosystem before the device rather than other companies building the devices and slowly building the ecosystem.

It is an obvious step for Amazon.

Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

The Kindle is a steallar reading device. Great at what it was designed to do.

I bought one about a month and a half ago for my fiancee and the screen still amazes me.

hexagonheat
Jun 22, 2011, 09:22 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

Actually... yeah. It is one of Amazon's best selling, if not THE best selling product.

The Kindle App isn't great for reading on LED screens. Once you experience e-ink and read for 2+ hours or in sunlight then you'll understand. Plus battery life that is measured in weeks and not hours is pretty darn great as well as free wireless integration.

mixel
Jun 22, 2011, 09:22 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX
I know loads of people with Kindles. People who usually read a lot of books and hate it on a backlit screen.

if Amazon could do a tablet that lets you somehow switch between e-ink and nice lcd type thing then I can see there being a market.. if it's just another iPad me-too device i don't see it doing well at all.

the-oz-man
Jun 22, 2011, 09:22 AM
I'll be curious if Amazon can even produce that many tablets (let alone sell that many) thanks to Apple buying up contracts on virtually all touch display manufactures.

arkitect
Jun 22, 2011, 09:23 AM
dream on...
Don't be too sure.

Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX
The Kindle is doing very well. Granted it is not as hyped up as the iPad but it has a solid user base.

If Amazon get into this market it will only be a good thing.

HarryKeogh
Jun 22, 2011, 09:25 AM
This will be the best-selling tablet after the iPad. Huge customer base, loads of happy Kindle-users, great company reputation, they have the essentials in place as xUKHCx already mentioned.

Yep, this will be big. iPad big? Doubtful. But it will be successful as long as the hardware doesn't blow.

jmcrutch
Jun 22, 2011, 09:25 AM
Well, this tablet will likely loose some of what people LOVE their Kindles for, which is the e-ink and how light weight it is.

Nevertheless, the stock market will drool over this, likely sending AMZN's multiple over 100. Whatever Wall street.

hcho3
Jun 22, 2011, 09:25 AM
4 Million?

Unless they are pricing this thing around 200 dollars to compete with ipad 2, I don't see this happening. What OS will it run on... anyway?

ericinboston
Jun 22, 2011, 09:26 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle


You're joking, right? The Kindle is HUGELY successful. And no, it does not compete against the iPad unless you only compare 1 single feature: reading a book (not a website...not a magazine...not an email...etc)

tCruzin4lyfe
Jun 22, 2011, 09:27 AM
Not interested, it will be like all the rest of the competitors.

Jerome Morrow
Jun 22, 2011, 09:27 AM
App store - check
Online Music store - check
Kindle books store - check
Cloud - check


Looks good on a sheet of paper yes, but when it will come down to actual devices and making everything fit together i don't think it will be that easy to add a check like you just did.

Surreal
Jun 22, 2011, 09:29 AM
Awesome News if it means a lower price for the DX!

OddyOh
Jun 22, 2011, 09:29 AM
Oh good, another US-only device tied to US-only services.

Arcus
Jun 22, 2011, 09:30 AM
dream on...

HA HA DR checking in.

Amazon has a massive distribution channel and advertising cache. If anyone can crush the iTampon its Amazon.

Arcus
Jun 22, 2011, 09:31 AM
Oh good, another US-only device tied to US-only services.

Canada cant innovate?

deggs37
Jun 22, 2011, 09:31 AM
Some of you should step outside of your apple bubble every once in a while. It may do you some good to get fresh non-apple controlled air. Yes there is life in electronics outside of the iWorld. People really do buy non apple things. I know, it's a crazy world we live in.

ctdonath
Jun 22, 2011, 09:32 AM
Barnes & Nobles is way ahead of them with the Nook Color.
Interesting the article doesn't mention B&N.

benpatient
Jun 22, 2011, 09:32 AM
you can tell easily who has used a kindle and who hasn't just by their comments here.

it's my favorite new device in the last 4-5 years. I use my kindle much more often than I use my ipod these days.

In fact, we might be getting another one, because my wife and I keep fighting over it.

The kindle isn't really an ipad competitor. And the ipad isn't a kindle competitor.

This new device should be interesting.

And yes, it will run on Android. If they work out some kind of limited free 3G/4G thing like the Kindle has, they could actually make a dent.

I regularly use the Kindle's free 3G browser on road trips, since we refuse to pay 100/month for a cell phone w/data plan.

The next kindle will probably be $99, with better features all across the line. This tablet of theirs will probably be $299

MrSmith
Jun 22, 2011, 09:33 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle?
I'm still wondering the same about the iPad. I know people spent their hard earned cash on it, but what the hell anyone uses it for I have no idea.

Small White Car
Jun 22, 2011, 09:33 AM
A company that figured out that what you actually do with a tablet matters more than the hardware specs?

This'll be the first competitor that Apple needs to worry about, I bet.

Themaeds
Jun 22, 2011, 09:34 AM
Oh good, another US-only device tied to US-only services.

Canada needs every portal to email they can get...they cant get regular mail. I kid, I kid :)

ksgant
Jun 22, 2011, 09:35 AM
Actually... yeah. It is one of Amazon's best selling, if not THE best selling product.

The Kindle App isn't great for reading on LED screens. Once you experience e-ink and read for 2+ hours or in sunlight then you'll understand. Plus battery life that is measured in weeks and not hours is pretty darn great as well as free wireless integration.

Well, you're wrong. You're making assumptions on everyone being like you. I myself own a Kindle 3 and a massive library of Kindle books, and since getting the iPad I've not once picked up the Kindle. I read all day and all night on the thing (I read a ton of books as it's my main "hobby") and I never get eye strain. Never. Not once. I can read in bed at night with all the lights off (including that little Kindle LED light attached to my Kindle's case) with my iPad and the text reversed out in the Kindle app. The eye strain argument is just a myth. I've watched TV in a dark room for 40 years and never got eyestrain. I'm typing this right now in a dark room on a LED monitor on my Mac and don't have any eyestrain.

Not to mention using the dictionary on the Kindle app on the iPad is infinitely easier do to just touching on a word and BAM the definition comes up...unlike having to cursor down down down....over over over...to the word then look it up in the dictionary as you would on the hardware Kindle.

NOW, having said this. Amazon is probably the company that can actually have a challenger against the iPad with a new Kindle touch screen and the entire Amazon infrastructure to back it up. What I'd like to see is have a dual-layer type Kindle. One with a nice color screen running a hybrid Android OS that Amazon controls and updates and on TOP of that an e-ink screen that transparent most of the time unless you're reading a book. And all of it touch-screen. Not sure the technology is available for something like that yet, but I'd be interested in something similar.

JohnDoe98
Jun 22, 2011, 09:35 AM
Canada cant innovate?

Nope, the tv/internet/cable/mobile providers, which are all the same, run government here. So regulations don't allow a free competitive market to exist, which means we get the shaft on just about everything technologically related.

benpatient
Jun 22, 2011, 09:35 AM
Barnes & Nobles is way ahead of them with the Nook Color.
Interesting the article doesn't mention B&N.

if B&N is selling 1 Nook (of any variety) for every 10 Kindles sold, I'd be shocked.

I saw my first nook "in the wild" a couple weeks ago. I know of 5 people in my office have a Kindle. There are maybe 35 people there.

Obi-Wan Kubrick
Jun 22, 2011, 09:36 AM
If anyone could do it my guess would be Amazon. The Kindle is such a wonderful device albeit one that's usefulness and lifespan probably won't last much longer at least as e-ink only. Amazon makes the best E-Ink reader so I'm sure they could make a great full on tablet.

I would like to see the rumored device that switches between LCD and E-Ink.

ericinboston
Jun 22, 2011, 09:36 AM
I think Apple will be in the fight of its life in the Tablet industry. Tablets are going to be the next iPod (not iPad)...everyone will want/have one as the prices drop and the features expand. Major players in the world are not going to let Apple own the Tablet market like they do with iPod.

We have an iPad 1.0 and it's a nice web surfing & email device sitting in our kitchen. But even the web surfing, in general, is fair/poor...due to lack of Flash (come on, everyone uses it) as well as some of the pull-down menus and choice boxes that websites use when making a purchase. Apple really needs a much better browser on the iPad. We won the iPad so it's free for us...but we never would spend $500+ for it...even iPad 2.0. 3.0 needs a lot more features, a better price for storage ratio, and some other things I and others have listed a few times on these forums for us to go out and buy one.

HarryKeogh
Jun 22, 2011, 09:36 AM
I'm still wondering the same about the iPad. I know people spent their hard earned cash on it, but what the hell anyone uses it for I have no idea.

The same things that 90% of the population use their computers for 90% of the time. Web-surfing and checking e-mail. But with killer battery-life and incredible portability.

You really have to ask this question a year and a half after its release? C'mon.

ksgant
Jun 22, 2011, 09:37 AM
I'm still wondering the same about the iPad. I know people spent their hard earned cash on it, but what the hell anyone uses it for I have no idea.

Seriously? You have no idea what people use an iPad for. Even after tons of people tell you what they use it for, do you still not have any idea?

Problems with cognitive comprehension perhaps? Maybe see a specialist that can treat this problem of not understanding what people say or explain to you? Just a thought.

lewchenko
Jun 22, 2011, 09:38 AM
Once I got a Kindle, I gave up reading books on the iPad.

The Kindle has a much better screen for reading books on in daylight, is much lighter, has free 3G access, and its battery lasts for weeks.

Different Markets, but I see a lot of people with Kindle's these days reading books. Magazines... not so much due to the ridiculous over pricing (Economist Im looking at you here especially!)

Bernard SG
Jun 22, 2011, 09:39 AM
4 Million?

Unless they are pricing this thing around 200 dollars to compete with ipad 2, I don't see this happening. What OS will it run on... anyway?

I seem to remember reading it will be Android. Not sure which version, though.

Lesser Evets
Jun 22, 2011, 09:40 AM
It's a logical step, but I doubt that Amazon's ability to craft a seductive table will be easy. Apple creates seductive devices that are well-designed and easy to use, making them infinitely more attractive to buyers.

I still like my books on paper. Kindle or iPad, I don't find 7,000+ words very enjoyable on either.

Give me iPad 5 when it all comes together in a powerful package with all the frills.

BackInAction
Jun 22, 2011, 09:44 AM
Like gaming consoles, Amazon can take a loss (or make little) on the hardware because they know they'll make money through other revenue streams. Apps, media (books, music, movies) and accessories.

Assuming the hardware is solid. This will be Apple's first true tablet competitor. The other tablet vendors are hardware manufactures. They have it tough because they only have one source of revenue, selling the hardware. They lack the whole ecosystem that Amazon as already built up.

Will it sell more than iPad, no. But I bet will be the best selling Android tablet.

drew0020
Jun 22, 2011, 09:45 AM
Well, you're wrong. You're making assumptions on everyone being like you. I myself own a Kindle 3 and a massive library of Kindle books, and since getting the iPad I've not once picked up the Kindle. I read all day and all night on the thing (I read a ton of books as it's my main "hobby") and I never get eye strain. Never. Not once. I can read in bed at night with all the lights off (including that little Kindle LED light attached to my Kindle's case) with my iPad and the text reversed out in the Kindle app. The eye strain argument is just a myth. I've watched TV in a dark room for 40 years and never got eyestrain. I'm typing this right now in a dark room on a LED monitor on my Mac and don't have any eyestrain.

Not to mention using the dictionary on the Kindle app on the iPad is infinitely easier do to just touching on a word and BAM the definition comes up...unlike having to cursor down down down....over over over...to the word then look it up in the dictionary as you would on the hardware Kindle.

NOW, having said this. Amazon is probably the company that can actually have a challenger against the iPad with a new Kindle touch screen and the entire Amazon infrastructure to back it up. What I'd like to see is have a dual-layer type Kindle. One with a nice color screen running a hybrid Android OS that Amazon controls and updates and on TOP of that an e-ink screen that transparent most of the time unless you're reading a book. And all of it touch-screen. Not sure the technology is available for something like that yet, but I'd be interested in something similar.

I completely disagree with you, but again that why so many different products are sold. E-ink is amazing. I cannot nor do I want to read books on a LCD screen. The pixels are so visible, the tablet is too heavy for reading, you cannot see the screen outdoors, and it just doesnt feel right. I love my Kindle and I think Amazon will be very successful with their tablet.

I hope Amazon is very successful with this!

ericinboston
Jun 22, 2011, 09:45 AM
It's a logical step, but I doubt that Amazon's ability to craft a seductive table will be easy. Apple creates seductive devices that are well-designed and easy to use, making them infinitely more attractive to buyers.

I still like my books on paper. Kindle or iPad, I don't find 7,000+ words very enjoyable on either.

Give me iPad 5 when it all comes together in a powerful package with all the frills.

1)Amazon's only created 1 other hardware device...the Kindle...and it rocks and blows away the iPad for e-reading. Hands down. I have complete faith that they will create a killer tablet (again, it will be version 1.0) to compete with iPad 2.0+. As someone said here, Amazon is not about the hardware...they are focusing on ease of use, design, etc...Apple is not the only company employing humans that can design something nice.

2)You state that "Apple creates seductive devices that are well-designed and easy to use, making them infinitely more attractive to buyers" yet you are waiting for version 5 of the iPad?! Which is it? If it's infinitely attractive, you (or others) wouldn't wait 5 years for version 5.

3)Yes, I agree that version 5 of the iPad will finally have everything (or mostly) what people want...features, price, performance, etc. iPad series/history will mirror the iPod history book of adoption.

Consultant
Jun 22, 2011, 09:47 AM
Actually... yeah. It is one of Amazon's best selling, if not THE best selling product.

The Kindle App isn't great for reading on LED screens. Once you experience e-ink and read for 2+ hours or in sunlight then you'll understand. Plus battery life that is measured in weeks and not hours is pretty darn great as well as free wireless integration.

Nope, last year Amazon was caught tweaking their top list to exclude competitor products.

How easy can you read Kindle when it's dark? Can Kindle play color videos? Or do more than one of these things? :rolleyes:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1172347

A company that figured out that what you actually do with a tablet matters more than the hardware specs?

This'll be the first competitor that Apple needs to worry about, I bet.

Apple already beat Amazon in music.

I bet Apple puts in more R&D (and more quality R&D) than Amazon.

Surely
Jun 22, 2011, 09:47 AM
I'm still wondering the same about the iPad. I know people spent their hard earned cash on it, but what the hell anyone uses it for I have no idea.

I just have one for the status. Y'know, to look cool.

I spend hours staring at it, and still can't figure out what to do with it.*

*just in case someone misses it, this post is thick with sarcasm

kiljoy616
Jun 22, 2011, 09:49 AM
dream on...

No one can challenge the perfection of the iPad. :D I feel like a giddy little girl.

arkitect
Jun 22, 2011, 09:49 AM
Can Kindle play color videos? Or do more than one of these things? :rolleyes:

Of course not.
That is why there are plans for an Amazon tablet… :confused:

supmango
Jun 22, 2011, 09:50 AM
4 Million?

Unless they are pricing this thing around 200 dollars to compete with ipad 2, I don't see this happening. What OS will it run on... anyway?

Windows or Android. I can't imagine this will be any more competitive than the Galaxy Tab.

I like the whole e-ink thing. I just don't see how it would be possible to use both e-ink and an LCD quality display in the same device (and keep it small enough to be usable). I think the kindle and the tablet will always appeal to two distinctly different users (or uses).

someone28624
Jun 22, 2011, 09:50 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

Yes...pretty much daily.

designaholic
Jun 22, 2011, 09:52 AM
Some of you should step outside of your apple bubble every once in a while. It may do you some good to get fresh non-apple controlled air. Yes there is life in electronics outside of the iWorld. People really do buy non apple things. I know, it's a crazy world we live in.

I completely agree with you, but don't forget where we are here - it's not exactly the place for unbiased opinion!

Competition is *always* a good thing. Without a competitive drive, Apple wouldn't even be here.

Good luck to Amazon on this, lets hope they do a better job on the UI than Blackberry have.

nwcs
Jun 22, 2011, 09:53 AM
Amazon's tablet will do well for sure. What I'm most interested in is seeing what happens 5 years from now. The market can't support a great deal of fragmentation. What I mean is stuff purchased with one vendor not working on another vendor's wares (I mean digital media, not apps). It really limiting. Even though Apple is in the lead they won't stay that way forever. Some kind of standardization seems inevitable just because of the investment people put in.

d0minick
Jun 22, 2011, 09:54 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

I own a iPad and my girl owns a Kindle. The kindle is way better for reading books.

reactions
Jun 22, 2011, 09:55 AM
Anyone not like shopping on amazon.com?

Best site ever

Bernard SG
Jun 22, 2011, 09:55 AM
What I find most funny about Amazon's tablet is that it's coming to market just a couple weeks after it's raison d'être vanished as Apple relaxed it's AppStore policy (the whole in-app purchases controversy).
Anyway it's a big yawn. Nobody will care outside of the US. It's gonna be a niche product in a niche market.

nwcs
Jun 22, 2011, 09:56 AM
Competition is *always* a good thing. Without a competitive drive, Apple wouldn't even be here. I actually somewhat disagree with that common line of thought. Competition has its place but it also leads to cut corners, over emphasis on function over usability, bad manufacturing processes (environmentally, politically, socially), etc.

Healthy competition is good but most turns very unhealthy very quickly.

supmango
Jun 22, 2011, 09:56 AM
I'm still wondering the same about the iPad. I know people spent their hard earned cash on it, but what the hell anyone uses it for I have no idea.

It's one of those new fangled computer gizmos all the kids talk about. No seriously, my 75 year old grandma and 82 year old grandpa use one almost daily. They really haven't ever used a computer before now. They get it, so why don't you?:confused:

*LTD*
Jun 22, 2011, 09:56 AM
Zzzzz . . . get in line.

lkrupp
Jun 22, 2011, 09:57 AM
So many "iKillers" have turned into "iFizzles" lately.Time will tell with this one too. Let's wait and see.

*LTD*
Jun 22, 2011, 09:58 AM
So many "iKillers" have turned into "iFizzles" lately.Time will tell with this one too. Let's wait and see.

Not looking good for the killers so far. Same story as usual.

d0minick
Jun 22, 2011, 10:00 AM
Anyone not like shopping on amazon.com?

Best site ever

Started shopping on Amazon after getting burned by paypal. Best move ever. Blu-rays are 10$ cheaper (even after a 2 dollar shipping charge). I like to buy little things every week. I love getting packages!!! :D:D

ericinboston
Jun 22, 2011, 10:00 AM
Apple already beat Amazon in music.

I bet Apple puts in more R&D (and more quality R&D) than Amazon.

1)Apple started iTunes when?...2001. Amazon really didn't move away from the we-only-sell-books model until after 2001. Not really a comparison.

2)R&D?...this is a joke...Apple CREATES HARDWARE (among other things) and has been doing so since the late 70s. When did Amazon start creating hardware?...very late 2007 and 1 product. Again, not a comparison.

You might want to think things through before hitting the Submit button.

Amazon (and others) is going to force Apple to work relentlessly to convince consumers to buy the Apple tablet as well as sign up for all the Apple my-way-or-the-highway approach to services.

Geckotek
Jun 22, 2011, 10:00 AM
Ok, if Apple somehow had insider information on this I could see that it might push them to release a new model with a higher res screen this fall.

I'll just sit back and watch the show. :)

.11
Jun 22, 2011, 10:03 AM
What I find most funny about Amazon's tablet is that it's coming to market just a couple weeks after it's raison d'être vanished as Apple relaxed it's AppStore policy (the whole in-app purchases controversy).
Anyway it's a big yawn. Nobody will care outside of the US. It's gonna be a niche product in a niche market.

Isn't that how the Kindle started? ;)

ericinboston
Jun 22, 2011, 10:03 AM
Started shopping on Amazon after getting burned by paypal. Best move ever. Blu-rays are 10$ cheaper (even after a 2 dollar shipping charge). I like to buy little things every week. I love getting packages!!! :D:D

Off topic but my wife and I are Amazon junkies...everything from books to baby stuff to cds to bluray to paper to toys to electronics to food...yes food (granola bars).

The site just bleeping rocks.

Geckotek
Jun 22, 2011, 10:05 AM
So many "iKillers" have turned into "iFizzles" lately.Time will tell with this one too. Let's wait and see.

I once heard a wise man say, "You don't have to beat Google to be successful." The point he made was just getting 1% of the search market is worth millions.

So having an iPad competitor but not beating the iPad....can still be very profitable.

reactions
Jun 22, 2011, 10:07 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

Jesus Christ the the troll of the day


Kindle is a great reading device. Try one out

MrSmith
Jun 22, 2011, 10:08 AM
The same things that 90% of the population use their computers for 90% of the time. Web-surfing and checking e-mail. But with killer battery-life and incredible portability.

You really have to ask this question a year and a half after its release? C'mon.
You web surf on it half horizontally, or you support the thing with one hand? Why would you not buy a laptop? You spend all day in the wilderness you need every second of battery life? You hold it to read? A year and a half and this rational thinker has been given no good answer. And why does it bring out the nastiness in people when I ask (like the sarcasm above)?

Geckotek
Jun 22, 2011, 10:11 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

LOL, looks like you stepped in it with this one.

paul4339
Jun 22, 2011, 10:12 AM
A company that figured out that what you actually do with a tablet matters more than the hardware specs?

This'll be the first competitor that Apple needs to worry about, I bet.

... This will be Apple's first true tablet competitor. ... They lack the whole ecosystem that Amazon as already built up.
... But I bet will be the best selling Android tablet.

Yay! I agree, the others are just hardware manufacturers. This will be the first tablet offering by a major service provider.

Amazon has
- experience in successfully making/outsourcing tablets (Kindle),
- they are extending their ecosystem (books, software,etc),
- they have their own virtual store front and doesn't need just rely on distributors (best buy) like hardware manufacturers (samsung),
- and most important they have lots of credit cards/established relationship with account holders (they have lots of data - reviews for books, music, IMDB etc that can be used with account holders). They can provide convenient purchasing through one store.
- they aren't as good as apple in some ways, but can be better in other ways. It can be the most popular android tablet (assuming that's its android)

Taank
Jun 22, 2011, 10:13 AM
I'm still wondering the same about the iPad. I know people spent their hard earned cash on it, but what the hell anyone uses it for I have no idea.

Same here. From my research, I think most of em just play angry birds on it. That game definitely looks like it's worth $500 to me.

Taank
Jun 22, 2011, 10:16 AM
You web surf on it half horizontally, or you support the thing with one hand? Why would you not buy a laptop? You spend all day in the wilderness you need every second of battery life? You hold it to read? A year and a half and this rational thinker has been given no good answer. And why does it bring out the nastiness in people when I ask (like the sarcasm above)?

But if you want to web surf you just buy a stand. And if you don't like the touch screen keyboard you can just buy a separate keyboard.

It's too bad someone doesn't come out with one that has a build in folding stand and integrated physical keyboard. Oh wait.

Themaeds
Jun 22, 2011, 10:18 AM
Off topic but my wife and I are Amazon junkies...everything from books to baby stuff to cds to bluray to paper to toys to electronics to food...yes food (granola bars).

The site just bleeping rocks.

Love when they offer free prime for buying specific items. Their 2 day shipping usually turns into overnight shipping. Excited to see what they offer in the tablet market

ksgant
Jun 22, 2011, 10:20 AM
I own a iPad and my girl owns a Kindle. The kindle is way better for reading books.

Again, for YOU. For me it's the opposite. I haven't touched my Kindle 3 since getting an iPad 2.

Different strokes for different folks. Viva la différence!

cfitz7111
Jun 22, 2011, 10:21 AM
App store - check
Online Music store - check
Kindle books store - check
Cloud - check


The only thing missing really is the hardware and they are good to go.



They are also missing deals with the record and movie companies for the cloud service, I'm sure the Hollywood lawyers are foaming at the mouth to get a hold of Amazon.

ten-oak-druid
Jun 22, 2011, 10:21 AM
The kindle is a true competitor offering a very different experience from the ipad. I think Amazon will offer the sort of competition people speak of when they throw out that stupid cliche "competition is good".

Amazon should just slowly build on the kindle design. They shouldn't take a little success and try to suddenly redesign the "ipad killer". Add some improvements to the design and get ready for the color E-ink to become available.

Having the iphone already, the Kindle was my logical choice. The ipad duplicates my iphone experience with just a larger screen. Why do I need both? The kindle and iphone compliment one another very well. That is my experience though. The ipad is certainly a great product that fits the needs of many. I expect to to retain a market share greater than 75% for many years to come. The kindle is the only tablet with a chance to lower it more.

Amazon doesn't need to break above 20% to be a success though. Their goal is to sell books. Digital book sales will be dominated by the kindle store. The Kindle App is usable on iOS, desktop OS's and the kindle itself of course. The ibooks App is nice but Apple has implemented book selling very poorly. I bought one ibook and realized this wasn't going to work for me. Selling lots of media and slowly growing the market share in hardware is going to be just fine for Amazon. A success does not imply becoming the #1 tablet seller. Just a successful, profitable tablet seller.

The other tablets are going to have a hard time. Mobile carriers are looking to drop subsidies on tablets because the sales of android tablets are so poor. So that will kill the incentive for many tablet purchasers to opt for Android tablets.

spiderman0616
Jun 22, 2011, 10:25 AM
One of these tablet competitors is going to be successful at some point, and I would love if it ended up being HP or Amazon. Android drives me crazy--I really don't understand the allure to it. In my experiences with it on both phones and tablets, it's a non user friendly buggy mess.

I could live in a world where if I decided to ditch Apple I could go to an HP or Amazon tablet. If my only other option were Android, I would probably just quit using tablets.

tuhoops
Jun 22, 2011, 10:25 AM
You web surf on it half horizontally, or you support the thing with one hand? Why would you not buy a laptop? You spend all day in the wilderness you need every second of battery life? You hold it to read? A year and a half and this rational thinker has been given no good answer. And why does it bring out the nastiness in people when I ask (like the sarcasm above)?

I use my iPad (I believe as most do) for email, browsing, reading, etc., and for light production as well. It's more portable than a laptop and is far more enjoyable to use, with no physical keyboard bulky case to mess with. If I need to do more involved work that requires OSX, that's what my iMac is for. As iOS continues to grow and gets more and more capability, it will eventually replace OSX. This is the post pc era Jobs is talking about. No more laptops and desktop (as we know them now). The future is tablets, with the iPad leading the way.

spiderman0616
Jun 22, 2011, 10:26 AM
The kindle is a true competitor offering a very different experience from the ipad. I think Amazon will offer the sort of competition people speak of when they throw out that stupid cliche "competition is good".

Amazon should just slowly build on the kindle design. They shouldn't take a little success and try to suddenly redesign the "ipad killer". Add some improvements to the design and get ready for the color E-ink to become available.

Having the iphone already, the Kindle was my logical choice. The ipad duplicates my iphone experience with just a larger screen. Why do I need both? The kindle and iphone compliment one another very well. That is my experience though. The ipad is certainly a great product that fits the needs of many. I expect to to retain a market share greater than 75% for many years to come. The kindle is the only tablet with a chance to lower it more.

Amazon doesn't need to break above 20% to be a success though. Their goal is to sell books. Digital book sales will be dominated by the kindle store. The Kindle App is usable on iOS, desktop OS's and the kindle itself of course. Selling some extra hardware and slowly growing the market share is going to be just fine for Amazon.

The other tablets are going to have a hard time. Mobile carriers are looking to drop subsidies on tablets because the sales of android tablets are so poor. So that will kill the incentive for many tablet purchasers to opt for Android tablets.

The iPhone and iPad compliment each other very well too. You would be surprised.

kiljoy616
Jun 22, 2011, 10:28 AM
I think Apple will be in the fight of its life in the Tablet industry. Tablets are going to be the next iPod (not iPad)...everyone will want/have one as the prices drop and the features expand. Major players in the world are not going to let Apple own the Tablet market like they do with iPod.



Lets break it down::rolleyes:

If your only using the iPad as a basic browser then sell it, considering all the things I do with mine you have only touched the surface of what you can do, I even use it like a second computer rather than using a laptop.

Games are a dream I am so hooked on a new one I found called Save Toshi DX, have already put 10 hours on it with it quirky physics and puzzles. Don't get me started on World of Goo and Plants vs Zombies they are a treat to play on the iPad 2 and Angry Bird Rio way to much fun.

Web surfing in Safari on Ipad is not bad just not great; iOS 5 will fix that, as for Flash oh please who even cares any more, but if you must have it you can get as I did for those limited times as well as some cool extra the web browser Skyfire. I has lots of extras that most people will find worth the 5 dollars.

What 64 gig is not enough for most people, i know but 100+ right now is cost prohibited for normal consumers? Still not sure considering the whole iCloud thing which makes some of this mute.

I can understand if you don't really convert your music to ACC but even with ACC VRB 320 I be hard press to see someone filling it up unless they have so many albums your garage is where you store them. I use airplay all the time now and can't go back. Delay is maybe 2 or 3 seconds for first song and after that non. Forget how incredible the Ipad 2 is Airplay is probably the one single thing that sold me when it came out. If nothing else an iPad 2 64 GIG with so many albums going to an Apple TV 2 hooked up thru fiber to an Amplifier and some good polk RTi A7 will not let you down. Perfect no but closer than it has ever been.

THANK YOU STEVE(for been anal retentive) AND APPLE ENGINEERS FOR A GREAT PRODUCT(real consumers can use).

I guess what I am saying is that only people who actually don't use an ipad or think of it as just another iTouch just don't get how much versatility it really has. I for one am totally satisfied with mine because I don't treat it as just another ipod.:D

Jim Boonie
Jun 22, 2011, 10:28 AM
I bought an iPad 2 to play with for a couple weeks and returned it after the 14 days. Honestly, I don't miss the iPad that much (OK, maybe a little. But not $500+, "a little"). One thing I do miss terribly is Garage Band. If Android can ever get its hell-hole of an appstore together and get some, "Real" apps, then I would be all over that Samsung 10.1 or maybe even this Amazon tablet. But iPhones will always be, "The" phone for me...for now.

winston1236
Jun 22, 2011, 10:28 AM
but according to amazon commercials they already are competing with the kindle..


hahahahaha

ksgant
Jun 22, 2011, 10:31 AM
You web surf on it half horizontally, or you support the thing with one hand? Why would you not buy a laptop? You spend all day in the wilderness you need every second of battery life? You hold it to read? A year and a half and this rational thinker has been given no good answer. And why does it bring out the nastiness in people when I ask (like the sarcasm above)?

I don't hold it to read. I lay it down on the bed...like a book...and read it like that. I lay on my stomach also and read it...like i would a book laying on the bed. I can turn on my back and hold it, like a book, and read it like that. No keyboard getting in my way. Positioned any way I want without having to crook my head in any direction or....

...you know what, you know all this. You're just being a troll. Nothing better to do? Seriously? You ask and people answer and you STILL don't "get it" after a year and a half? You're ether being stubborn or you're playing dumb on purpose to elicit responses.

Carouser
Jun 22, 2011, 10:31 AM
I'm still wondering the same about the iPad. I know people spent their hard earned cash on it, but what the hell anyone uses it for I have no idea.

If you go to Apple.com you can see all the things it lets people do. Those are the things people use it for.

You web surf on it half horizontally, or you support the thing with one hand? Why would you not buy a laptop? You spend all day in the wilderness you need every second of battery life? You hold it to read? A year and a half and this rational thinker has been given no good answer. And why does it bring out the nastiness in people when I ask (like the sarcasm above)?

I wonder if I could get a $500 laptop with access to the App store, which is ridiculously stable, which I can take on a plane or leave lying around the house for days without having to worry about charging it, which is easy and enjoyable to use, which isn't the size and weight of two bricks, which can be held lying on the couch or in bed, and which does all kinds of things that you would have to be willfully obtuse to ignore.

beep boop I am a rational thinker unable to comprehend that other people's preferences are different than my own, does not compute

iBagwan
Jun 22, 2011, 10:33 AM
App store - check
Online Music store - check
Kindle books store - check
Cloud - check

People don't get it, it's about the UI not the hardware. Even worse, android is the problem not the solution. If it was the solution wouldn't android tablets be flying off the shelves? There are a couple of wanna be tablets that have great hardware but they still aren't selling in any large quantity. The Amazon stores are great but if the experience is difficult or the battery life sucks then it won't matter.

cara0910
Jun 22, 2011, 10:36 AM
This will be the best-selling tablet after the iPad. Huge customer base, loads of happy Kindle-users, great company reputation, they have the essentials in place as xUKHCx already mentioned.

Yep, this will be big. iPad big? Doubtful. But it will be successful as long as the hardware doesn't blow.

I totally agree. Let me just say from my non-fanboy experience that Amazon has given me, bar none, the BEST customer experience of any company. They offer free deals to me without my asking; they resolve problems fast; and they have fast and trustworthy delivery.

They have all the elements needed to make a successful tablet, and I would not be surprised if it turns out to be a huge hit. Apple has serious cred all over the world, and I think the iPad will continue to amaze people, but for people looking for a genuine competitor, I would not count Amazon out at all.

ten-oak-druid
Jun 22, 2011, 10:37 AM
The iPhone and iPad compliment each other very well too. You would be surprised.

Well I'm sure it does for some.

But for me the reason the kindle and iphone compliment each other is that I can read in the light with E-ink and in the dark with the iphone. I get both screens. Obviously I prefer the bigger E-ink screen. But when I need to switch to the iphone it isn't bad really. And the Kindle App syncs your last location so you can switch devices and pick up where you left off.

The ipad is great. I would love to own one. But after buying an iphone, the Kindle made more sense. The reason I got it was specifically for reading books. And the Kindle is better in my opinion. I like E-ink. And the price of a Kindle was much better. I just didn't want to dish out money for both an iphone and ipad so close together just for screen size difference.

I use price as an argument because my sole purpose for a tablet was for reading. I do not need to duplicate other features of my iphone. But I think it is silly when people bring up savings in support of Android tablets because the very cheap tablets have been failures. People rejected them. And for the amount of savings on a true ipad competitor you might as well get the ipad. It is the better product in my opinion.

I think people wanting a tablet primarily for viewing movies and pictures will prefer the ipad to Kindle.

Tiger8
Jun 22, 2011, 10:39 AM
I personally have a kindle 3 and love it! So easy to read for long time on it due to is exceptional eink technology.

I think amazon has a chance, IF THEY PRICE IT CORRECTLY. If they are hovering around the $500 mark like HP, Samsung, RIM, and Motorola they will loose, since the iPad itself is $500.

The kindle 3 took off when it was priced at $139, before that, it had ok success.

jackc
Jun 22, 2011, 10:39 AM
I actually somewhat disagree with that common line of thought. Competition has its place but it also leads to cut corners, over emphasis on function over usability, bad manufacturing processes (environmentally, politically, socially), etc.

Healthy competition is good but most turns very unhealthy very quickly.

The idea of "most" competition turning unhealthy is pretty ridiculous. Competition is the reason all these gadgets are getting better and cheaper as fast as they are.

MrSmith
Jun 22, 2011, 10:45 AM
Amazon seriously know how to run a business. Even one involving third parties. I tip my hat to them. And spend my money with them.

nwcs
Jun 22, 2011, 10:46 AM
The idea of "most" competition turning unhealthy is pretty ridiculous. Competition is the reason all these gadgets are getting better and cheaper as fast as they are.

If you look only at the gadgets, maybe. If you look at the whole not so much. The ecological problems caused by the manufacture of these gadgets is a real issue. The social problems at the factories with the workers who put these things together is a real issue. Quality control is a real issue. etc.

Westside guy
Jun 22, 2011, 10:46 AM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

The Kindle 3 is the single best-selling item on Amazon.com ever. Yeah, lots of people use it, and love it (including me).

I'm not sure what, exactly, you think your point is. Can an iPhone/iPad/Mac run for a month without being plugged in? I don't think so.

toddybody
Jun 22, 2011, 10:50 AM
The only reason I have a tablet is because of iOS. Im not gonna jump ship for a great piece of HW that has an underdeveloped OS with sparse apps.

Snowy_River
Jun 22, 2011, 10:51 AM
I think Apple will be in the fight of its life in the Tablet industry. Tablets are going to be the next iPod (not iPad)...everyone will want/have one as the prices drop and the features expand. Major players in the world are not going to let Apple own the Tablet market like they do with iPod.

Oh, yes, because no other manufacturer wanted to have a product in the portable music player space, and they all decided to just "let Apple own" that market.

Seriously, if you're going to draw from the iPod example, you must conclude that Apple has already been down this path and has experience with how to handle a fight like this one. Suggesting that this is somehow fundamentally different because other manufacturers will care more about the tablet space is just silly.

We have an iPad 1.0 and it's a nice web surfing & email device sitting in our kitchen. But even the web surfing, in general, is fair/poor...due to lack of Flash (come on, everyone uses it)...

Uh, no. I have a plugin on my MBP to prevent Flash from loading unless I specifically want it to. The vast majority of the times that I do want it to is for YouTube videos (which can work without Flash on iOS). It's probably 1% of the time, or less that I end up on a website that is so entrenched in Flash that I have to use it. I'm not a big fan of Flash, and haven't been since long before Steve Jobs open letter regarding it, for all the traditional reasons.

...as well as some of the pull-down menus and choice boxes that websites use when making a purchase. Apple really needs a much better browser on the iPad...

Huh? I'm really not clear on what your complaint is here. These elements behave almost exactly the same way as they do on a desktop system. So, what's the problem with them?

While there have been some very well written critical reviews of the iPad's mobile Safari, it looks like most of the biggest critiques are being addressed in iOS 5. And even then, in side by side comparison with other mobile browsers on other platforms, Safari has typically faired reasonably well. So, if you're going to say that Apple needs a "much better browser", then you're really saying every tablet needs a much better browser. And, ultimately, you may be saying that the web needs to become more mobile centric and less desktop centric.

...We won the iPad so it's free for us...but we never would spend $500+ for it...even iPad 2.0. 3.0 needs a lot more features, a better price for storage ratio, and some other things I and others have listed a few times on these forums for us to go out and buy one.

While a better price for storage ratio might be nice, that's not Apple's model, and their model is one that they've been very successful with. It would take a major turn in the market space to convince them that this model wasn't going to work with the iPad.

To be clear, while I don't necessarily agree with all of Apple's decisions (indeed, some of them truly tick me off), I understand most, if not all of them, from a business standpoint. They are good at what they do, and much of the time that results is great products for us.

You web surf on it half horizontally, or you support the thing with one hand? Why would you not buy a laptop? You spend all day in the wilderness you need every second of battery life? You hold it to read? A year and a half and this rational thinker has been given no good answer. And why does it bring out the nastiness in people when I ask (like the sarcasm above)?

Hmm. You start off by asking what people could possibly be doing with their iPads, and you wonder why people react the way they do?

I originally bought an iPad about a year ago for use during meetings of a commission that I serve on. I knew that it would do a good job in that setting, where having a laptop screen between me and applicants was a very undesirable thing, but I honestly didn't know that I would get much other use out of it.

Boy was I wrong. It is more convenient and easier to use for email, web browsing, video watching, etc., than my MBP ever was. The battery life means that I can go for a full day (and sometimes two) without worrying about where power is. Plus, I've found that it has an amazing diversity of capabilities. I keep my books on it and find that it is, again, easier and more convenient than when I kept my books on my MBP. I can take credit card payments with it. I have made beautiful presentations using Keynote. I have written reports that have been almost 100 pages long. Video calling so my parents can see their grandchild on a regular basis is far more convenient.

Simply put, I didn't think that I'd love this thing as much as I ended up loving it. Now my wife jokes that she never sees me without my iPad...

GulGnu
Jun 22, 2011, 10:53 AM
I'm still wondering the same about the iPad. I know people spent their hard earned cash on it, but what the hell anyone uses it for I have no idea.

Kindle, among other things.

Surely
Jun 22, 2011, 10:53 AM
You web surf on it half horizontally, or you support the thing with one hand? Why would you not buy a laptop? You spend all day in the wilderness you need every second of battery life? You hold it to read? A year and a half and this rational thinker has been given no good answer. And why does it bring out the nastiness in people when I ask (like the sarcasm above)?

Because when you ask a question like that it deserves a sarcastic answer.

If you were to have stated that you don't see how an iPad would be useful for you, that would have been a different story.

Clearly, millions of people have found a way to make an iPad useful in their lives.

Perhaps you should try reading through the thousands of posts in the iPad forum......I'm sure you could pick up an idea here and there about how people are using it. Or watch Apple's iPad commercials....they show dozens of ways that people are using it.

MrSmith
Jun 22, 2011, 10:55 AM
If you go to Apple.com you can see all the things it lets people do. Those are the things people use it for.

I wonder if I could get a $500 laptop with access to the App store, which is ridiculously stable, which I can take on a plane or leave lying around the house for days without having to worry about charging it, which is easy and enjoyable to use, which isn't the size and weight of two bricks, which can be held lying on the couch or in bed, and which does all kinds of things that you would have to be willfully obtuse to ignore.

beep boop I am a rational thinker unable to comprehend that other people's preferences are different than my own, does not compute
Two bricks? Obviously the iPad is your first electronic device and you therefore have no authority to compare anything. Still the nastiness, though...

TWSS37
Jun 22, 2011, 11:01 AM
They are also missing deals with the record and movie companies for the cloud service, I'm sure the Hollywood lawyers are foaming at the mouth to get a hold of Amazon.

Because I'm sure Amazon didn't include their legal counsel when implementing their cloud service.

*LTD*
Jun 22, 2011, 11:01 AM
Two bricks? Obviously the iPad is your first electronic device and you therefore have no authority to compare anything. Still the nastiness, though...

He's right.

Stok3
Jun 22, 2011, 11:08 AM
I'm interested in seeing what Amazon comes up with. If they're lucky they can nail production costs and match the iPad price point.

dgree03
Jun 22, 2011, 11:12 AM
If Take the Galaxy Tab and slap a Amazon logo on it, have Amazon push it like the kindle. This Tablet will put up Ipad numbers!!

MrSmith
Jun 22, 2011, 11:15 AM
Hmm. You start off by asking what people could possibly be doing with their iPads, and you wonder why people react the way they do?

I originally bought an iPad about a year ago for use during meetings of a commission that I serve on. I knew that it would do a good job in that setting, where having a laptop screen between me and applicants was a very undesirable thing, but I honestly didn't know that I would get much other use out of it.

Boy was I wrong. It is more convenient and easier to use for email, web browsing, video watching, etc., than my MBP ever was. The battery life means that I can go for a full day (and sometimes two) without worrying about where power is. Plus, I've found that it has an amazing diversity of capabilities. I keep my books on it and find that it is, again, easier and more convenient than when I kept my books on my MBP. I can take credit card payments with it. I have made beautiful presentations using Keynote. I have written reports that have been almost 100 pages long. Video calling so my parents can see their grandchild on a regular basis is far more convenient.

Simply put, I didn't think that I'd love this thing as much as I ended up loving it. Now my wife jokes that she never sees me without my iPad...

A pleasant reply at last. Thanks.

I still don't see how on a sofa, bed or on a desk a horizontal screen is better than a vertical laptop screen. In what way is it more convenient than a MBP? I have access to as much power as I need - or I'm outside in the fresh air and need a computer as much as I need a blender. Your work place scenario I can understand because I would like to have my teacher textbooks on an iPad instead of paper form. Since I'm not in the US and my texts aren't US publishers that isn't going to happen for a long time. I don't understand what you mean by 'take credit card payments with it'. How does the MBP not do this? The remaining things you mention can be done on a MBP, without having to hold it or support it somehow. You seem to be saying you are surprised you like using it, but not why it is better than the (admittedly more expensive) alternative.

ericinboston
Jun 22, 2011, 11:20 AM
What 64 gig is not enough for most people, i know but 100+ right now is cost prohibited for normal consumers? Still not sure considering the whole iCloud thing which makes some of this mute.

1)$500 for a 16GB "device" that's supposed to play/store music, videos, pictures, and movies stinks. Hate to break that to you.

2)We don't only use it for web and email...a few apps here and there but really, the iPad is a web-surfers machine. Games may exist but rarely are people using it for games. Remember all the buzz years ago about the iPod Touch being the next thing since sliced bread for games?...how'd that turn out?

The iPad 1.0 and 2.0 (price out of the picture) are nice devices...but in reality they are mainly used for surfing the web, email, and maybe some tunes on the mono speaker. When 3.0+ comes out with more software features, more hardware features, and more integration with Apple apps (I can't sync my bleeping pictures on iPad with iPhoto?!?!?!) then I and others will purchase it.

Regardless of how you look at it...the iPad is a SECONDARY device...and starting at $500 is pricey even if it was some killer game system.

Carouser
Jun 22, 2011, 11:25 AM
I have access to as much power as I need - or I'm outside in the fresh air and need a computer as much as I need a blender.

Awesome! Other people have different needs. Like traveling. Which I already posted.

Your work place scenario I can understand because I would like to have my teacher textbooks on an iPad instead of paper form. Since I'm not in the US and my texts aren't US publishers that isn't going to happen for a long time.

Nobody's trying to convince you that an iPad is good for you, especially since you never asked anyone to do that. You expressed skepticism that an iPad would be useful for anyone.

The remaining things you mention can be done on a MBP, without having to hold it or support it somehow.

No, you still have to hold or support an MBP. Like with a table or stand. Or on a stump in the wilderness.

You seem to be saying you are surprised you like using it, but not why it is better than the (admittedly more expensive) alternative.

Because the alternative is admittedly more expensive. And all the other reasons posted.

Surely
Jun 22, 2011, 11:29 AM
A pleasant reply at last. Thanks.

I still don't see how on a sofa, bed or on a desk a horizontal screen is better than a vertical laptop screen. In what way is it more convenient than a MBP? I have access to as much power as I need - or I'm outside in the fresh air and need a computer as much as I need a blender. Your work place scenario I can understand because I would like to have my teacher textbooks on an iPad instead of paper form. Since I'm not in the US and my texts aren't US publishers that isn't going to happen for a long time. I don't understand what you mean by 'take credit card payments with it'. How does the MBP not do this? The remaining things you mention can be done on a MBP, without having to hold it or support it somehow. You seem to be saying you are surprised you like using it, but not why it is better than the (admittedly more expensive) alternative.

I don't see how a laptop screen is vertical?:confused: Are you talking about portrait or landscape? If that's what you mean, a laptop screen is landscape, and an iPad screen is......both. The screen rotates so you can use it either way. I tend to use it in portrait so more information is able to be on the screen at once.

Until you actually sit down on a couch or lie in bed and use an iPad, you'll never really understand how different it feels compared to using a laptop on a couch or in bed.

You don't need to hold it or support it any differently than a laptop actually. If you have a SmartCover or something similar, it props it up at a nice viewing angle on your lap so that you have both hands free. The fact that it doesn't get warm/hot the way a laptop can while it's on your lap is another bonus.

A laptop is better in some ways. An iPad is better in some ways. They are different devices that serve some similar purposes and some different purposes.

Your OP is borderline trollish. The sarcastic responses you received were deserved and expected.

bpaluzzi
Jun 22, 2011, 11:36 AM
A pleasant reply at last. Thanks.

I still don't see how on a sofa, bed or on a desk a horizontal screen is better than a vertical laptop screen. In what way is it more convenient than a MBP? I have access to as much power as I need - or I'm outside in the fresh air and need a computer as much as I need a blender. Your work place scenario I can understand because I would like to have my teacher textbooks on an iPad instead of paper form. Since I'm not in the US and my texts aren't US publishers that isn't going to happen for a long time. I don't understand what you mean by 'take credit card payments with it'. How does the MBP not do this? The remaining things you mention can be done on a MBP, without having to hold it or support it somehow. You seem to be saying you are surprised you like using it, but not why it is better than the (admittedly more expensive) alternative.

So don't buy one. Nobody's holding a gun to your head. Don't worry about why other people are using it. If you haven't figured it out, nothing anyone else says is going to convince you.

1)$500 for a 16GB "device" that's supposed to play/store music, videos, pictures, and movies stinks. Hate to break that to you.


Stinks *FOR YOU*. For a lot of people, it's fine. Hate to break THAT to you.


2)We don't only use it for web and email...a few apps here and there but really, the iPad is a web-surfers machine. Games may exist but rarely are people using it for games. Remember all the buzz years ago about the iPod Touch being the next thing since sliced bread for games?...how'd that turn out?

Wow, you really have no idea about the state of the gaming industry, do you?


The iPad 1.0 and 2.0 (price out of the picture) are nice devices...but in reality they are mainly used for surfing the web, email, and maybe some tunes on the mono speaker.

You mean the same things that 90% of computers are used for? Oh, okay, cool.


When 3.0+ comes out with more software features, more hardware features, and more integration with Apple apps (I can't sync my bleeping pictures on iPad with iPhoto?!?!?!) then I and others will purchase it.

You can already sync photos from iPad.

Regardless of how you look at it...the iPad is a SECONDARY device...and starting at $500 is pricey even if it was some killer game system.

Again, *FOR YOU*. You seem to have a real hard time with understanding that your needs / wants don't match up with everyone's.

wirelessness
Jun 22, 2011, 11:37 AM
Not interested, it will be like all the rest of the competitors.

Yeah, it will be able to access the ENTIRE Internet. Not jus the parts Steve thinks will run best.

I love my iPad...but I would really like the option to enable Flash...if I want!!! This is such a basic function. It would be one thing if HTML5 was taking off the way Jobs predicted....but it's not.

MrSmith
Jun 22, 2011, 11:47 AM
Awesome! Other people have different needs. Like traveling. Which I already posted.
Travelling is a need for an iPad?


Nobody's trying to convince you that an iPad is good for you, especially since you never asked anyone to do that. You expressed skepticism that an iPad would be useful for anyone.

And still waiting for a good answer. From someone who can articulate the benefits over a laptop.


No, you still have to hold or support an MBP. Like with a table or stand. Or on a stump in the wilderness.
I assume this was an attempt at humour. Ha ha ha.


Because the alternative is admittedly more expensive. And all the other reasons posted.
Mmmm. Yeah... Might want to think that one through a bit.

jlc1978
Jun 22, 2011, 11:48 AM
Barnes & Nobles is way ahead of them with the Nook Color.
Interesting the article doesn't mention B&N.

probably because, even though the Nook Color is a nice device, B&N is a B&M retailer struggling to stay relevant in a market where Apple and Amazon are the 800lb guerillas.

My hope is Amazon brings out a really cool device at a price point that impacts the iPad so Apple decides to relook at their pricing. Doubtful, but serious competition might do that.

Amazon may pull this off, since, unlike it's competitors, it has a CEO who can decide what to do and drive a product to market, similar to Job's at Apple.

paul4339
Jun 22, 2011, 11:50 AM
If Take the Galaxy Tab and slap a Amazon logo on it, have Amazon push it like the kindle. This Tablet will put up Ipad numbers!!

I disagree, BUT if the predictions that the tablet market will grow to 200M+ units by 2015 are even remotely realistic, then there's still no shame with grabbing 5-10% of the market. (I'm sure Amazon will be overjoyed if it sold 10-20 million units a year!)

And, IMO, there's no service comparable to iTunes/appstore (movies, books, music, software) ecosystem in the Android world currently and amazon has a good shot a becoming it. (and even being #2 is still healthy!)

Surely
Jun 22, 2011, 11:54 AM
And still waiting for a good answer. From someone who can articulate the benefits over a laptop.


Sorry man, but you're treading on ridiculousness at this point. Answers have been provided. At this point I think you're just trying to poke the bear.

You don't like the iPad. We get it. Yay for you. You're awesome.

I'm not wasting my time on you anymore if you choose to ignore the info provided for you in people's posts and refuse to take a look at any of the info people have suggested to you to look at.

MrSmith
Jun 22, 2011, 12:02 PM
Sorry man, but you're treading on ridiculousness at this point. Answers have been provided. At this point I think you're just trying to poke the bear.

You don't like the iPad. We get it. Yay for you. You're awesome.

I'm not wasting my time on you anymore if you choose to ignore the info provided for you in people's posts and refuse to take a look at any of the info people have suggested to you to look at.
I've played with it many times, but just can't understand why anyone would want it over a laptop. Unless they couldn't afford a better alternative. And you're missing the point if you think I just need "info".

Surely
Jun 22, 2011, 12:06 PM
I've played with it many times, but just can't understand why anyone would want it over a laptop. Unless they couldn't afford a better alternative. And you're missing the point if you think I just need "info".

What else besides info could we possibly give to you in a forum?:confused:


People have stated why they enjoy using the iPad over a laptop. Seriously guy.:rolleyes:

As I said before (but you ignored): A laptop is better in some ways. An iPad is better in some ways. They are different devices that serve some similar purposes and some different purposes.

emulator
Jun 22, 2011, 12:12 PM
Anyone not like shopping on amazon.com?

Best site ever
Indeed. No tax and prime. When I used to buy Apple products, always got them from Amazon. BB and all the B&M are for checking products physically then get them online: most likely from Amazon especially since they beat most B&M prices now.

NurJahan
Jun 22, 2011, 12:13 PM
Well, you're wrong. You're making assumptions on everyone being like you. I myself own a Kindle 3 and a massive library of Kindle books, and since getting the iPad I've not once picked up the Kindle. I read all day and all night on the thing (I read a ton of books as it's my main "hobby") and I never get eye strain. Never. Not once. I can read in bed at night with all the lights off (including that little Kindle LED light attached to my Kindle's case) with my iPad and the text reversed out in the Kindle app. The eye strain argument is just a myth. I've watched TV in a dark room for 40 years and never got eyestrain. I'm typing this right now in a dark room on a LED monitor on my Mac and don't have any eyestrain.

Not to mention using the dictionary on the Kindle app on the iPad is infinitely easier do to just touching on a word and BAM the definition comes up...unlike having to cursor down down down....over over over...to the word then look it up in the dictionary as you would on the hardware Kindle.

NOW, having said this. Amazon is probably the company that can actually have a challenger against the iPad with a new Kindle touch screen and the entire Amazon infrastructure to back it up. What I'd like to see is have a dual-layer type Kindle. One with a nice color screen running a hybrid Android OS that Amazon controls and updates and on TOP of that an e-ink screen that transparent most of the time unless you're reading a book. And all of it touch-screen. Not sure the technology is available for something like that yet, but I'd be interested in something similar.

YOU are the one making assumptions, my friend. Just because you don't have eyestrain, it doesn't mean others don't, therefore the "eyestrain argument" is not a myth. My eyes hurt easily looking at an LED screen (TV, iPad, iPhone, whatever) in a dark room, or even in a fairly lit room. Besides the eyestrain thing, I sit in a cubicle staring at a computer screen all day, the last thing I want to do is look at another bright screen. I prefer the dullness of paper.

Thunderhawks
Jun 22, 2011, 12:16 PM
Canada cant innovate?

Eh, they can Eh. Justin Bieber?

Or if you want to listen to Robin Williams take:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjoNucs20Vw

SockRolid
Jun 22, 2011, 12:18 PM
Amazon's pads will do better than any other Android pad. Because only Amazon has the breadth and depth to support their pads. They have years of experience building Kindles, they have years of experience delivering digital and physical goods to customers, and they have hundreds of millions of account holders and credit card info.

But it's the intangibles that will really help their pad(s). Amazon has enormous mindshare and enormous brand equity. It's one of the world's most-trusted brands, and that will provide a significant "halo" effect for their pad(s).

Compare all that against Motorola. And HP. And RIM. Motorola has deep experience building phones, but are just an OEM. No customer-facing ecosystem like iTunes and App Store or Amazon's online store. Same with HP, except that HP builds pee cees and printers, which may or may not help them sell pads. (And yes, I know how great webOS is. But a great OS alone doth not a successful pad make.)

RIM gambled that they could coast in the smartphone arena, then leverage their deeply entrenched BlackBerry business customers to sell PlayBooks. It didn't work. And it turns out that the reason why PlayBook doesn't have built-in email is baked into the BlackBerry BES mail server. A user gets a digital identity (PIN) and that identity is assigned to a single device. You can't have both a BlackBerry phone and a PlayBook pad with the same PIN. Thus, the PlayBook can't have a BES email app. Fatal "vision problem" there, eh hoser?

iOS 5's improved messaging is a headshot to that old staggering zombie. And there won't be any "business tablet" market (hear that, Dell? Ballmer?). Microsoft proved that by failing to make a dent in anything after 10 years of waving UMPCs and "slates" around at CES keynotes.

So that leaves Amazon, with its massive customer-facing infrastructure, vast experience, and all-important mindshare. They seem to be stuck with Android for the moment, but despite that they have the best chance to win the battle for 2nd place.

bobr1952
Jun 22, 2011, 12:23 PM
Amazon seriously know how to run a business. Even one involving third parties. I tip my hat to them. And spend my money with them.

I totally agree with you on that--I love Amazon and spend most of my entertainment money with them. I have Amazon Prime and get virtually all of my Blu Rays with them delivered in 2 days. So yes, they know how to get customers into their store and keep them there. Personally, I feel the Amazon video model is much better than that of Netflix--today they just added a bunch of movies to their free Prime streaming--so who knows what Amazon will do when they get their hands on this. Will be interesting to see how it develops.

Intarweb
Jun 22, 2011, 12:29 PM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

Maybe you should get out of your room more.

iSee
Jun 22, 2011, 12:41 PM
If this rumor is true, Amazon must feel they really have something great if they think they can sell 4 million by the end of the year.

It's gotta be really cheap or something.

Lennholm
Jun 22, 2011, 12:54 PM
Well, you're wrong. You're making assumptions on everyone being like you. I myself own a Kindle 3 and a massive library of Kindle books, and since getting the iPad I've not once picked up the Kindle. I read all day and all night on the thing (I read a ton of books as it's my main "hobby") and I never get eye strain. Never. Not once. I can read in bed at night with all the lights off (including that little Kindle LED light attached to my Kindle's case) with my iPad and the text reversed out in the Kindle app. The eye strain argument is just a myth. I've watched TV in a dark room for 40 years and never got eyestrain. I'm typing this right now in a dark room on a LED monitor on my Mac and don't have any eyestrain.

Not to mention using the dictionary on the Kindle app on the iPad is infinitely easier do to just touching on a word and BAM the definition comes up...unlike having to cursor down down down....over over over...to the word then look it up in the dictionary as you would on the hardware Kindle.

NOW, having said this. Amazon is probably the company that can actually have a challenger against the iPad with a new Kindle touch screen and the entire Amazon infrastructure to back it up. What I'd like to see is have a dual-layer type Kindle. One with a nice color screen running a hybrid Android OS that Amazon controls and updates and on TOP of that an e-ink screen that transparent most of the time unless you're reading a book. And all of it touch-screen. Not sure the technology is available for something like that yet, but I'd be interested in something similar.

Wow, first you complain about people making assumptions about everyone else from their own experience, and then you dismiss peoples concern about eye-strain as a mere myth, from only your own experience.
Who's making the assumptions, really?

Meandmunch
Jun 22, 2011, 12:59 PM
I sure hope they go with a color screen.

(sarcasm)

*LTD*
Jun 22, 2011, 01:05 PM
I've played with it many times, but just can't understand why anyone would want it over a laptop. Unless they couldn't afford a better alternative. And you're missing the point if you think I just need "info".


You might try asking the millions of consumers who are buying them. Sometimes why someone loves to use a product is difficult to articulate in words. It might be as simple as it being a joy to use, that's all. And for a lot of people (including yours truly), that is plenty reason enough.

I *could* use my notebook. But I just keep reaching for my iPad. if you asked me why I'd probably say I'm too busy enjoying it to answer.

Some things are not and will never be easily quantifiable

Note that one of the mistakes the competition is making is by trying to quantify everything - explaining everything in quantifiable terms - specs - and then expecting the average person's imagination to be captured by it. The competition are often consumed by this, instead of focusing on how to delight users and make everything natural and enjoyable. If that was their goal, Android would look and perform quite differently, for example.

Just look at Apple's newest iPad commercial, entitled "Now." Case in point.

WyoMac
Jun 22, 2011, 01:12 PM
Canada needs every portal to email they can get...they cant get regular mail. I kid, I kid :)

Not to mention being afraid of the dark.

DrDomVonDoom
Jun 22, 2011, 01:20 PM
You web surf on it half horizontally, or you support the thing with one hand? Why would you not buy a laptop? You spend all day in the wilderness you need every second of battery life? You hold it to read? A year and a half and this rational thinker has been given no good answer. And why does it bring out the nastiness in people when I ask (like the sarcasm above)?

Because your snarkiness breeds sarcasm. You ask questions that are all based on preferance. 'why not buy a laptop'. Why should one buy a laptop? So I can carry a power brick & cord around with me? Laptops aren't the perfect solution to everyone. I work in the house cleaning and fire restoration business. Its far easier to have a tablet with me that I can jot down notes while building a estimate for a customer then bringing a laptop. Being in the field all day, the battery is convienent. 'You Hold it to read' you hold a book to read as well, but...no one was complaining about that, and its far easier to read a book on a tablet then it is on a laptop. Who would carry a laptop around for that purpose? The ipad is the perfect amalgam of what makes a Mac great, and what makes the iPhone great. The App atmosphere, in a world where finding great, cheap applications that can do anything you can dream of, why go through the trouble.

Also life is complicated enough, a little simplification never hurt no one. Why go to work with your notepad, your paper, juggling your coffee a book to read. All the things I need are in one convienent place. Small, light, easy to carry. A laptop is great if your temporarily mobile. You need to go to a confrence, you need the convienence of PC power where your going, and your set up in a hotel somewhere and have to get work done. But someone who is constantly mobile, constantly moving. Why bother? If I can flick open the smart case, find what I need and be on my way, I don't need a laptop.

firewood
Jun 22, 2011, 01:21 PM
... who can articulate the benefits over a laptop.

Easy one. A vast percentage of humans are vain and lazy. The few ounces of weight difference are enough that millions of lazy people won't carry laptops to meetings or over to the couch, even though they will carry a thin tablet. And if they do carry something in public, it has to be a "new cool" thing that has lots of hip ads for it on TV. So the benefit for millions of people is that they will have a tablet available with them for use more often. Whereas the laptop is left back at the desk.

But big laptops are still fine for the geek in the smelly t-shirt who doesn't get the girl or the promotion.

BackInAction
Jun 22, 2011, 01:28 PM
This thread has degraded quite a bit, but I'll respond just for fun...:D

I have a tablet and frankly, I can't find a good use for it. After reading most of the above posts, I think this is primarily to due my lack of media usage. I do not listen to music, read books, read the news, take pictures (I'm a bad parent) or watch that many movies (if I do that's what my 58" plasma is for). I got bored with games after a week or less. So, now it just sits by the couch for nearly instant Wikipedia and IMDB ("what else have we seen her in?") access. And my three kids (7, 10, 13) barely touch it now that is is 2 months old.

The only productive thing I use it for is to access my work email mid-evening without having to drag out my laptop. But I don't have a smartphone yet. Once I do later this summer, I won't need the tablet for that purpose.

They are nice slick devices and they appear to be perfect for personal media consumption. I just don't fall into the later category.

RalfTheDog
Jun 22, 2011, 01:43 PM
Once I got a Kindle, I gave up reading books on the iPad.

The Kindle has a much better screen for reading books on in daylight, is much lighter, has free 3G access, and its battery lasts for weeks.

Different Markets, but I see a lot of people with Kindle's these days reading books. Magazines... not so much due to the ridiculous over pricing (Economist Im looking at you here especially!)

I gave away my Kindle about five days after I got my iPad. The Kindle is a good book reader if you are in well lit places. Most of my reading is done at home late at night or at the theater when I am waiting for a movie to start.

I had problems with my Kindle and charging. You can only charge using the Kindle USB device. If you run the battery all the way down, it can be quite hard to get the stupid thing to take a charge.

Two bricks? Obviously the iPad is your first electronic device and you therefore have no authority to compare anything. Still the nastiness, though...

I use stacks of electronics on a daily basis. On my desk sits two desktop computers (iMac and a Linux box), One laptop (Macbook Pro), and an iPad. I also use more than one Cell to WiFi device (depending on where I am and how much charge I have left.) and I use teathering on my iPhone.

I get more use out of my iPad than any other device I own. When I am out in the field, I can't always carry a laptop around. My iPad has several databases that keep track of what project I am on, what I need to do, parts lists, calendars, and IP addresses. I have a big chunk of my library on my iPad. If I am someplace and unexpectedly have an hour or 30 minutes of downtime, I can read, check the news or dig through my email. I can do all these things anytime I want because I have my iPad with me 24/7 365. I don't know anyone who takes a laptop to the grocery store or to change the oil in his car.

Having an iPad leads to having zero enforced downtime. You can be productive any time you want and never have that sinking feeling that your projects are falling behind and all you can do is look at the walls.

qtx43
Jun 22, 2011, 01:44 PM
...I have a tablet and frankly, I can't find a good use for it. After reading most of the above posts, I think this is primarily to due my lack of media usage...I think that's about right. The iPad is fantastic for reading stuff and looking at stuff (but the speakers for music, not so much). Long battery life, convenient form factor, great display. And I think most of the disagreements between iPad and kindle are based on whether you like reading in bed in the dark vs. in sunny areas. But creating new documents and managing information, it's not going to compete with a regular computer.

ten-oak-druid
Jun 22, 2011, 01:50 PM
Color E-ink isn't too far off.

I sure hope they go with a color screen.

(sarcasm)

JRoDDz
Jun 22, 2011, 01:51 PM
4 Million?

Unless they are pricing this thing around 200 dollars to compete with ipad 2, I don't see this happening. What OS will it run on... anyway?

$99.99 and millions will be sold!

Geckotek
Jun 22, 2011, 01:51 PM
Travelling is a need for an iPad?


And still waiting for a good answer. From someone who can articulate the benefits over a laptop.


For a long time I fought getting an iPad. I felt it was overpriced for what you get. I kinda still do, but I decided it was finally worth it to me.

I recently took a trip to SF. In my office there is no real backup for what I do. There are people that could log into the system and call Microsoft to take direction, but I felt better being able to have remote access. However, I planned to do a lot of walking around SF and didn't want to lug even a small laptop or netbook.

So I bought an iPad, downloaded and RDP app and configured the VPN to remote into our office. While I was there, we had an issue with BES. The iPad was so thin and light that I was easily able to carry it in a messenger bag without really noticing the extra weight. I was able to quickly pull out my iPad, VPN in, and RDP to the BES server to resolve the issue.

In August, I will be travelling to China, N & S Korea. I don't plan to take a laptop. Instead I will be taking the iPad to watch a few movies on the plane, check e-mail, surf the web, and generally entertain myself during the flight. I've done this with a laptop in the past, but I've found the iPad to be so much more manageable.

My laptop definately can do certain things better than my iPad, but I wouldn't give up my iPad at this point.

Does that qualify as articulating an advantage?

MacAddict1978
Jun 22, 2011, 01:54 PM
A company that figured out that what you actually do with a tablet matters more than the hardware specs?

This'll be the first competitor that Apple needs to worry about, I bet.

I agree, and I think if a company as powerful as Amazon moves into this space (especially with their own Android Market) developers will get some fire under their butts too. (I think this is more a content war than an OS war. There aren't many tablet optimized or specific apps for Honeycomb, and of the few thousand most are junk and useless. No awe factor, no I need a honey comb tablet excitment you get when seeing apps in action in the iPad commercials).

Next to Apple, Amazon has the most adopted echo system. In some ways, Amazon has a better one but without devices in their garden. (Before you jump the gun, by better I refer to pricing more so than content, but Amazon isn't far behind apple in the media content space either. They have sales, competitive prices, and great selection. Google, Microsoft, and HP will take a while to catch up to Apple and Amazon in content and pricing.) I would probably use Amazon for the majority of my music purchases and video rentals if it weren't so inconvenient and unintergrated into my mac, iphone, and apple tv.

Amazon will also sell hardware at a loss. All of the Kindles until now have been loss leaders, and very successful for them looking at the increase in book sales and e-book sales. The hybrid displays that do the faux e-ink are still too expensive and not up to par. Given Amazon isn't exactly stellar with their hardware designs, I couldn't see them coming up with sexy dual screen device, or a flip device of some kind with an e-ink screen and an lcd panel. Would be neat if done right. If they enter the tablet wars (Bezos has hinted many times this year that they are) I wouldn't be fearful of the price not being competitive. Even if they use Android, you can bet the device will tie heavily into their music, books, and video stores which is where they make the money. I don't think it will be like the first gen kindle where it's priced for enthusiasts. They'll price it to get their tablet in their hands so people can 1-click their hearts out on the content. And like apple, they can profit from app sales as well. Though, if anyone should be scared it's probably Google. Even if Amazon uses Google's OS, Google aimed to make money on content too. That open thing might be biting them this fall.

celo48
Jun 22, 2011, 02:01 PM
Yeah right. That's not going to happen. I do not see any competition to iPad or iPhone or any other Apple products. They just do it differently (not saying better Apple bashers) and Apple will always be the top computer maker in the world (not by numbers Apple bashers).

Apple is a brand like Mercedes-Benz or any other top notch car maker.

Apple will always be Apple.

ericmooreart
Jun 22, 2011, 02:04 PM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

I see more kindles on the nyc subway then I do iPads. Bought my daughter one. Fits easily in her tiny "girl bag" and she hardly ever need to charge it and can read it in daylight. Darkness is another story...

dj-anon
Jun 22, 2011, 02:07 PM
It will be irrelevant if it is U.S. only like everything else they do.

ctdonath
Jun 22, 2011, 02:29 PM
Don't forget the observation that Amazon will be giving away Kindles by the end of the year. Price drops on the cheapest model are on a straight-line path to $0 in November.

Hueyfreeman
Jun 22, 2011, 02:36 PM
To be honest I think the Amazon tablet will be good for the industry. The ipad while a good device is still an Enigma most consumers play with it at best buy but they wonder what the help will it do from their and why pay 500 for it. Remember most consumers are not techies. The kindle tab most likely will be priced around 300 using a 7" screen and running android 3.2 many of the company's current kindle customers will upgrade and find it pretty good and it will replace a lot of the previous devices they have owned.

vincenz
Jun 22, 2011, 02:37 PM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

People do. Just not the type who frequent forums like this.

3N16MA
Jun 22, 2011, 03:18 PM
I have nothing bad to say about Amazon. I like them as a company and have never had any problems with them. As others have said Amazon already has many services in place that would benefit their tablet. Of course they will also get to promote the crap out of it on the most visited online store.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with.

Unspeaked
Jun 22, 2011, 03:19 PM
And still waiting for a good answer. From someone who can articulate the benefits over a laptop.

Over one of Apple's laptops?

1. Cheaper
2. Smaller/Lighter
3. Easier to Use
4. Easier to Update
5. No Need to Configure Anti-Virus, Firewall, Etc
6. Touch Interface (which leads to several unique apps which many people find "fun" to use)
7. Kid Friendly/Senior Friendly
8. Doubles as a Nicer eBook Reader Than a Laptop
9. Steady Stream of Free, Easy-to-Find & Easy-to-Install Applications
10. Need I Go On?

Digitalclips
Jun 22, 2011, 03:34 PM
More dilution of the small market left after Apple takes its share. The fighting over the scraps gets harder and less profitable by the day. No wonder RIM is up the creek.

DrDomVonDoom
Jun 22, 2011, 03:47 PM
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... who can articulate the benefits over a laptop.

Easy one. A vast percentage of humans are vain and lazy. The few ounces of weight difference are enough that millions of lazy people won't carry laptops to meetings or over to the couch, even though they will carry a thin tablet. And if they do carry something in public, it has to be a "new cool" thing that has lots of hip ads for it on TV. So the benefit for millions of people is that they will have a tablet available with them for use more often. Whereas the laptop is left back at the desk.

But big laptops are still fine for the geek in the smelly t-shirt who doesn't get the girl or the promotion.

I really dont think thats the issue. If we are talking about true mobility vs production worth, as in i can go anywhere and still have a stable desktop equivilent, then the iPa makes sence. If i were to go to a confrence ft example, i wouldnt bring
My desktop, i would take my notebook an set it up in my hotel
Room. I would take my ipa down on the show floor. Why? How is one suppose to realistically use a laptop while walking around? The tablet is for
Mobility at its finest. Not desktop-lite.

Mr. Gates
Jun 22, 2011, 03:48 PM
Over one of Apple's laptops?


6. Touch Interface
7. Kid Friendly/Senior Friendly HA !....Says a lot

10. Need I Go On? You can if you want, its pretty funny

iPad's fun for all ages from 3 to 16 and 50 to 85:)

Analog Kid
Jun 22, 2011, 04:05 PM
What ever happened to the idea of core competence? Amazon is a retailer, not a manufacturer. Kindle apps sold far and wide makes a lot of sense. In the absence of a good ebook reader, the Kindle device made sense. Competing in the general purpose tablet market seems as silly as Garmin competing in the cell phone market-- just because a phone contains GPS doesn't mean a GPS company should make a phone. Just because a tablet can display books, doesn't mean a book company should make a tablet.

ChrisSD
Jun 22, 2011, 04:19 PM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX
The Kindle is a far better ereader than the iPad will ever be. I love my iPad, but that is just a silly comment.

dolph0291
Jun 22, 2011, 04:20 PM
"Hi, my name is Google and iOS 5 was my idea!"

Really? You have to be kidding. You really want to go there?

"Hi, my name is Apple and Android was my idea!"
"Hi, my name is Apple and the cloud was my idea!" (MobileMe wasn't the best, but it was there long before anyone else.)
"Hi, my name is Apple and smart phones that didn't suck was my idea!"
"Hi, my name is Apple and Windows was my idea!"

dolph0291
Jun 22, 2011, 04:31 PM
Ever since rumors began about Amazon entering the tablet race I thought they would be the first real competition Apple would have for the tablet space. I've never used a Kindle but they are obviously a runaway success. If I'm not mistaken, they were the first of their kind, too. Which means that Amazon is thinking ahead the needs of their customers and know how to fill those needs.

Samsung, Sony et al are used to building decent hardware and then slapping someone else's software in there (like their computers and Windows). They are trying to build an ecosystem but, really, how many Android ecosystems can there be? These companies release a phone and then right away they're on to the next model. They have no investment in what they've already released and no commitment to make the buyer's experience any better. They treat their Android phones as throw-aways, very old-school pre iPhone thinking.

Having a smart phone is really about the user experience. Which is why I think that Android is going to get left behind and people will be using Apple or Windows phones. (Full disclosure: I am a fanboy and don't trust MS one bit but I think their phones will be big, displacing Android for second or even first place.)

Tablets are all about the user experience also. I think Amazon has the knowledge and the commitment to improve Android enough to make it useable for the long term.

314631
Jun 22, 2011, 04:34 PM
This is bad news for consumers. Customers do not need to be confused by poor products when Apple has the ultimate solution. Amazon should just focus on selling iPads and content for our devices. They have no chance of beating us. Our team has already won the tablet battle. :apple:

Geckotek
Jun 22, 2011, 04:39 PM
This is bad news for consumers. Customers do not need to be confused by poor products when Apple has the ultimate solution. Amazon should just focus on selling iPads and content for our devices. They have no chance of beating us. Our team has already won the tablet battle. :apple:

Yeah, just like IE won the browser war. We should have never had another browser after IE6. :rolleyes:

Mr. Gates
Jun 22, 2011, 04:52 PM
Really? You have to be kidding. You really want to go there?

"Hi, my name is Apple and Android was my idea!"
"Hi, my name is Apple and the cloud was my idea!" (MobileMe wasn't the best, but it was there long before anyone else.)
"Hi, my name is Apple and smart phones that didn't suck was my idea!"
"Hi, my name is Apple and Windows was my idea!"

You are sooooooo wrong !

Apple's iCloud runs on Microsofts technology

The progress and technology to get to the iPhone came from everyone BUT Apple


....
..
.There is more but I'm exhausted by this crap.


"Yey Apple !"

"Whoopde doo !
I finally was able to afford one, Now I can shove it in everyone's face and prove I'm not totally computer illiterate (as I was on windows) and beat my monkey paws against a shiny icon to receive a prize ! "

Hey guys, lets all live in fantasy land !



Sorry dude, but your way off

RalfTheDog
Jun 22, 2011, 05:08 PM
Please don't huff paint, it is not good for you. Apple is using Amazon S3 until they get their data center running. Why would any reasonable company run a high volume server on a trash OS like Azure. The long term solution will be some form of BSD Unix or at worst Linux. If you are running a data center of that size, you need an OS that scales.

You are sooooooo wrong !

Apple's iCloud runs on Microsofts technology

The progress and technology to get to the iPhone came from everyone BUT Apple


....
..
.There is more but I'm exhausted by this crap.


"Yey Apple !"

"Whoopde doo !
I finally was able to afford one, Now I can shove it in everyone's face and prove I'm not totally computer illiterate (as I was on windows) and beat my monkey paws against a shiny icon to receive a prize ! "

Hey guys, lets all live in fantasy land !



Sorry dude, but your way off

Lennholm
Jun 22, 2011, 05:20 PM
This is bad news for consumers. Customers do not need to be confused by poor products when Apple has the ultimate solution. Amazon should just focus on selling iPads and content for our devices. They have no chance of beating us. Our team has already won the tablet battle. :apple:

"OUR team", "beating US"? Are you an Apple employee? Because if you aren't, you just sound like a religious fanatic

314631
Jun 22, 2011, 05:20 PM
Yeah, just like IE won the browser war. We should have never had another browser after IE6. :rolleyes:

IE6 was never the best browser. So yours is a ridiculous comparison. Let's keep this conversation sensible and realistic.

Geckotek
Jun 22, 2011, 05:21 PM
Please don't huff paint, it is not good for you. Apple is using Amazon S3 until they get their data center running. Why would any reasonable company run a high volume server on a trash OS like Azure. The long term solution will be some form of BSD Unix or at worst Linux. If you are running a data center of that size, you need an OS that scales.

You've used Azure?

Early reports I read state they were using both. So we've proven they are not using Azure?

jackc
Jun 22, 2011, 05:24 PM
Don't forget the observation that Amazon will be giving away Kindles by the end of the year. Price drops on the cheapest model are on a straight-line path to $0 in November.

I wish that were true, but I don't think you can extrapolate the trend, and certainly not this year. I think next stop is $99, but that's just a guess.

314631
Jun 22, 2011, 05:30 PM
"OUR team", "beating US"? Are you an Apple employee? Because if you aren't, you just sound like a religious fanatic

I don't work for Apple. But I don't work for my favorite football team either. Most of us think of ourselves as part of the Apple team. And most of us are proud to be on the winning team. It's our cash that leads Apple to invest in revolutionary and magical new technologies that benefit the whole world. I buy products I don't even need just to support Apple and reward them for creating amazing technologies. I'm a team player, are you?

cfitz7111
Jun 22, 2011, 05:46 PM
Because I'm sure Amazon didn't include their legal counsel when implementing their cloud service.

Just because your in house lawyers say its ok, does not make it so.

http://allthingsd.com/20110329/amazons-cloud-service-is-a-legal-b-illegal-c-probably-here-to-stay/

RalfTheDog
Jun 22, 2011, 06:16 PM
You've used Azure?

Early reports I read state they were using both. So we've proven they are not using Azure?

They are subcontracting out with an image hosting company that is using Azure. I am sure that when their data center is online, they will bring it in house.

Geckotek
Jun 22, 2011, 07:09 PM
They are subcontracting out with an image hosting company that is using Azure. I am sure that when their data center is online, they will bring it in house.

Again I ask, have you used Azure?

azurehi
Jun 22, 2011, 07:52 PM
Did anyone actually use the Kindle? The only good thing it brought us so far was the Kindle App...which runs on iPhones/iPads/OSX

Love my Kindle...simple and so much easier to read E-ink type screen. Battery lasts Weeks with WiFi turned off. Maybe You should try one :D

Bafflefish
Jun 22, 2011, 07:53 PM
I don't work for Apple. But I don't work for my favorite football team either. Most of us think of ourselves as part of the Apple team. And most of us are proud to be on the winning team. It's our cash that leads Apple to invest in revolutionary and magical new technologies that benefit the whole world. I buy products I don't even need just to support Apple and reward them for creating amazing technologies. I'm a team player, are you?
Wow... just... wow...

caughtintheweb
Jun 22, 2011, 07:56 PM
The main reason why I am not buying an iPad is that its display sucks to say the least. I have the kindle and just love it mainly because of the display. Its so crisp and clear. I hope the amazon tablet has a similar display even if it does not have the multi gestures features that ipad provides. Tablets are mainly for reading, browsing the web and without a great screen, it loses purpose.

azurehi
Jun 22, 2011, 07:57 PM
iPad/iOS not Flash capable because of Jobs' bias...hope Amazon will produce a nice product giving users a Choice

cara0910
Jun 22, 2011, 08:09 PM
IE6 was never the best browser. So yours is a ridiculous comparison. Let's keep this conversation sensible and realistic.

How does your kool-aid taste as you drink it by the gallons every morning? "Our team" won? You're nuts man.

SandynJosh
Jun 22, 2011, 08:30 PM
Oh good, another US-only device tied to US-only services.

I thought you guys had RIM up there?? Besides you can't use touch panels below 0°C while wearing sealskin gloves trimmed in wolverine.

pavers
Jun 22, 2011, 08:44 PM
just wondering what OS they're adopt, to be able to compete with iOS!

jackc
Jun 22, 2011, 09:41 PM
I don't work for Apple. But I don't work for my favorite football team either. Most of us think of ourselves as part of the Apple team. And most of us are proud to be on the winning team. It's our cash that leads Apple to invest in revolutionary and magical new technologies that benefit the whole world. I buy products I don't even need just to support Apple and reward them for creating amazing technologies. I'm a team player, are you?

No, I'm not. I like Apple products and I buy them if I want them more than the cash they're asking for.

Geckotek
Jun 23, 2011, 12:25 AM
IE6 was never the best browser. So yours is a ridiculous comparison. Let's keep this conversation sensible and realistic.

Not at all. At one point it was at the very least the most popular and it eventually blew away Netscape. But after years of no competition it became a joke.

To imply that the iPad needs no competition is just ignorance.

ksgant
Jun 23, 2011, 12:50 AM
I've played with it many times, but just can't understand why anyone would want it over a laptop. Unless they couldn't afford a better alternative. And you're missing the point if you think I just need "info".

Does anyone in this thread need any more proof that this guy is just a troll that's here to stir people up?

1. "Give me a reason why people like the iPad, I can't understand. I don't get it"
2. Several people give various reasons.
3. "I still don't understand why people like it. I don't get it."
4. More people give reasons why, but are getting tired of his schtick.
5. "Such hostile responses. I still don't understand why people like the iPad"
6. People STILL give reasons.
7. "I still don't get it"
8.

I mean seriously, this guy will keep on doing this is we keep responding to him. He's either a troll that just is giggling there watching people respond, or seriously has a learning disability.

ksgant
Jun 23, 2011, 12:56 AM
Wow, first you complain about people making assumptions about everyone else from their own experience, and then you dismiss peoples concern about eye-strain as a mere myth, from only your own experience.
Who's making the assumptions, really?

The guy I was addressing. Not me. I said he was making assumptions on everyone and then went on to express MY experience stating that it's totally opposite of his. Where did I say that EVERYONE'S experience is like mine?

Yes, it's a myth to assume that eye-strain effects everyone looking at an LCD/LED/CRT etc etc. It clearly doesn't effect everyone. If he went back and edited that these are all his experiences and how it effects him personally, then I would certainly not have a problem with it.

Anything else?

Lennholm
Jun 23, 2011, 03:38 AM
I don't work for Apple. But I don't work for my favorite football team either. Most of us think of ourselves as part of the Apple team. And most of us are proud to be on the winning team. It's our cash that leads Apple to invest in revolutionary and magical new technologies that benefit the whole world. I buy products I don't even need just to support Apple and reward them for creating amazing technologies. I'm a team player, are you?

So, religious fanatic it is then.
I would be terrified if your assertion of "Most of us think of ourselves as part of the Apple team" would be even remotely true, luckily it isn't, most of us have a very healthy and normal relation to Apple and other players in the consumer electronics industry.
Companies compete with each other and we the customers reap the benefits of them trying to outdo each other. We buy the products that suit our needs.
The kind of obsession and unconditional loyalty to a certain brand that you seem to have can't be healthy, no offense.

onetoescape
Jun 23, 2011, 05:02 AM
If you take of :apple: face. We all knew this was happening and its just gaining more traction. I expect this to be priced quite a bit under the Ipad as others has said and will then make there money back with content. As we know generally Amazon content is cheaper than Apples. They have the structure is there for this. If as other people and I are expecting that this is under the Ipads pricing and with Amazons reputation what do you think people will go for? It does everything that the Ipad does and the content is cheaper but the Ipad looks nicer and has a better interface. Content is King the other Andriod tablets did not have this so boys and girls the first real challenger the Ipad is Amazons tablet(s) which don't have a name yet!

xUKHCx
Jun 23, 2011, 05:08 AM
just wondering what OS they're adopt, to be able to compete with iOS!

Their app store is android so it is pretty safe to assume it will be running android.

daveathall
Jun 23, 2011, 08:54 AM
For me personally, the Kindle is best for reading books, I find that the iPad (1 in my case) when used as a reader causes me eye strain, is too heavy to hold in extended reading sessions, and is impossible to read outside, it is however better for everything else by a large margin.

azbigdog
Jun 23, 2011, 09:45 AM
Yay! I agree, the others are just hardware manufacturers. This will be the first tablet offering by a major service provider.

Amazon has
- experience in successfully making/outsourcing tablets (Kindle),
- they are extending their ecosystem (books, software,etc),
- they have their own virtual store front and doesn't need just rely on distributors (best buy) like hardware manufacturers (samsung),
- and most important they have lots of credit cards/established relationship with account holders (they have lots of data - reviews for books, music, IMDB etc that can be used with account holders). They can provide convenient purchasing through one store.
- they aren't as good as apple in some ways, but can be better in other ways. It can be the most popular android tablet (assuming that's its android)

What you state yourself should be a really big concern! They have lots of credit cards, with an OS that is hacked daily! Would you really feel safe?

azbigdog
Jun 23, 2011, 09:51 AM
One of these tablet competitors is going to be successful at some point, and I would love if it ended up being HP or Amazon. Android drives me crazy--I really don't understand the allure to it. In my experiences with it on both phones and tablets, it's a non user friendly buggy mess.

I could live in a world where if I decided to ditch Apple I could go to an HP or Amazon tablet. If my only other option were Android, I would probably just quit using tablets.

UM, this is going to run android (P)os

linux2mac
Jun 23, 2011, 10:41 AM
So many "iKillers" have turned into "iFizzles" lately.Time will tell with this one too. Let's wait and see.

Some of the local radio stations have iPad2 give aways to the first person that calls in at a specified time. I never hear them giving away a Playbook or Xoom. LOL

neoraskolnikov
Jun 23, 2011, 11:04 AM
And still waiting for a good answer. From someone who can articulate the benefits over a laptop.


I have a MacbookAir as well as an iPad and prefer the ipad on these occasions:

1. I love reading books, magazines, comic books, the bible, etc. or watching videos whenever I'm on the subway or bus, especially when I can't get a seat. The phone is a bit too small for me to browse or read comfortably, the laptop a bit too clunky and I need to find a seat, which is somewhat rare in my city.

2. My two year old son can navigate his way around the iPad and play puzzles, color, sing along with his favorite sing-along books, watch his favorite videos all by himself, whereas he cannot on the Macbook. He learned how to solve his first picture matching games and zigsaws on the iPad! What a world.

3. It's super handy in a car where space is limited, according to my wife who loves to surf while I drive using 3G, or when my son wants to watch Back to the Future for the zillionth time during a road trip.

4. I love using it in the bathroom: in the tub, carefully. on the toilet, as I used to with the newspaper. (pardonne moi)

5. I use it at the gym to record my sets and to see my routine for the day. A laptop would be a bit much, as it is I may be pushing a bit with the iPad.

6. I have it with me for a substantially longer period of time thereby allowing me to have access to all my important files on dropbox, or of my favorite media more often, reducing the number of times I have to go back to my car to get my laptop or wish I had brought my laptop.

7. I use it while shopping, pushing my son's stroller and searching for alternative products or prices, or surfing away while my wife does the shopping.

8. I use it during church service, giving me access to all the hymns and bible books, as well as any info I might want to cross reference.

9. Battery life is better. It's more convenient to carry. And trust me these things are more important than you seem to think.

10. It gives me access to games I enjoy while on the move.

11. It poses as a coffee table photo album at my house when guests are over, and it's much better than having my laptop open.

12. It's got some wicked apps, unavailable in the laptop form such as "The Wasteland - T.S. Eliot" "The Civil War Today" and countless others. And it's dirt cheap! Who would've thought that decent software would be so cheap. Really, I could count off at least 20 of my own, and that's not to mention my son's favorites.

Really. I think I could probably go a bit longer but if this ain't gonna do it, well..
Some quick last thoughts: I love my iPad. The Kindle sure is tempting. And am a satisfied Amazon Prime member. Competition is always good.

ranReloaded
Jun 23, 2011, 12:15 PM
Brace yourselves...

Here Comes the KinPad.

Their app store is android so it is pretty safe to assume it will be running android.

...or not, in which case they'll have TWO different 'app stores', just to piss off Apple!

I thought you guys had RIM up there?? Besides you can't use touch panels below 0°C while wearing sealskin gloves trimmed in wolverine.

Check out the Korean Sausage.

ranReloaded
Jun 23, 2011, 12:34 PM
Not at all. At one point it was at the very least the most popular and it eventually blew away Netscape. But after years of no competition it became a joke.

To imply that the iPad needs no competition is just ignorance.

To be fair, he mentioned IE version 6. It sucked more than we thought was available for sucking, for a whole decade, setting the internet back into the Dark Ages in the process. The damage it caused is still felt today :eek:

Show me one web designer who doesn't hate it with his soul.

The Internet Explorer that beat Netscape was version 4, if I'm not mistaken. A (slightly) different beast...

ranReloaded
Jun 23, 2011, 12:41 PM
I totally agree. Let me just say from my non-fanboy experience that Amazon has given me, bar none, the BEST customer experience of any company. They offer free deals to me without my asking; they resolve problems fast; and they have fast and trustworthy delivery.

They have all the elements needed to make a successful tablet, and I would not be surprised if it turns out to be a huge hit. Apple has serious cred all over the world, and I think the iPad will continue to amaze people, but for people looking for a genuine competitor, I would not count Amazon out at all.

I'm not really into eBooks or free deals, but I've bought a lot of dead tree books from Amazon, it is really good. In my own experience, I would say the customer experience on par with Apple. Can't tell how well that translates into developing a Tablet, but...

truz
Jun 23, 2011, 12:45 PM
Apple is to far ahead of the game when it comes to iOS and Tablets. Amazon would have to pay developers to write applications for the amazon tablet OS. They still won't catch up to the amount of applications the Apple Appstore has.

It's not just the Tablet and OS that make "The Best Tablet" it's the applications too. When Apple has all three titles it's hard to compete with that.

iphonepiephone
Jun 23, 2011, 12:47 PM
dream on...

^ This. Another Google - "Me too" *yawn*

Geckotek
Jun 23, 2011, 01:26 PM
To be fair, he mentioned IE version 6. It sucked more than we thought was available for sucking, for a whole decade, setting the internet back into the Dark Ages in the process. The damage it caused is still felt today :eek:

Show me one web designer who doesn't hate it with his soul.

The Internet Explorer that beat Netscape was version 4, if I'm not mistaken. A (slightly) different beast...

True, I failed to refresh my brain with any real research. I still think my point was made. To say the iPad is everything and all we need and that another tablet would be to confusing is just idiotic.

While I personally own an iPad and don't plan on buying whatever Amazon comes up with, I believe that other tablets in the market will push Apple to keep inovating and improving.

wirelessness
Jun 23, 2011, 04:40 PM
Apple is to far ahead of the game when it comes to iOS and Tablets.

Seriously? Have you heard of Android?

I'm not saying the 'Amazon' Tablet will be better than whatever iPad it's up against but they will sell a boatload of these things. On a per device basis Apple will surely sell more tablets than Amazon but once you add up all of the tablet manufacturers together they will outsell Apple just like with Smartphones.

This does not mean they are better. Just widely adopted.

Rodimus Prime
Jun 24, 2011, 01:57 AM
Honestly I almost feel the media like digi times is hyping up nothing. I mean it was dumbass that though that the iPad would kill the kindle off but did not understand that that kindle and the iPad played really in very different markets.

To me I expecting something of more of a niche market like the kindle or an upgrade like the kindle color but nothing that is really ment to even go close to a head to head with the iPad and the media is over hyping nothing.

All it does is give some Apple fanboys and girls a reason to say "OH LOOK EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS" when really it was never meant to go head to head. Just lazy media looking for headline grabs.

Lonectzn
Jun 24, 2011, 03:18 AM
I ended up giving my iPad away. Just felt like a novelty, but then my requirements may be a bit different to other people's. Also, being a programmer l'm naturally hyper-critical when I can see what could be done better. Too big and heavy on the hardware side, too much compromising function for form in the software. An app store full of tacky casual games (I'm a strategy buff) and barely-justifiable impulse apps (the android market is even worse, however).

For me there are four key factors: Price, battery life, weight, and how good the browser is. Apple is still too heavy and too expensive (could use a smaller size screen), and their web browser is dirt. Android's isn't much better, but Google seems far more committed to improving it and allowing third party innovation than Apple.

My point, other than to rant about the money I wasted, is that Amazon seem like they will try to compete on price. To do this, they may try a smaller lighter tablet than what is currently out there. I certainly hope so, as it'll satisfy most of my requirements.

If you're listening amazon, 7-8 inches would be perfect. My jacket has an inside pocket that won't fit anything larger, so don't disappoint me!

megsandbytes
Jun 25, 2011, 11:16 PM
Canada needs every portal to email they can get...they cant get regular mail. I kid, I kid :)

lol, being a Canadian I couldn't help but laugh at this comment. That whole strike was pathetic.

steadysignal
Jun 26, 2011, 04:17 PM
Wonder what they will come up with.

prolly the same crap as everyone else...

KingCrimson
Jun 26, 2011, 05:02 PM
I ended up giving my iPad away. Just felt like a novelty, but then my requirements may be a bit different to other people's. Also, being a programmer l'm naturally hyper-critical when I can see what could be done better. Too big and heavy on the hardware side, too much compromising function for form in the software. An app store full of tacky casual games (I'm a strategy buff) and barely-justifiable impulse apps (the android market is even worse, however).

For me there are four key factors: Price, battery life, weight, and how good the browser is. Apple is still too heavy and too expensive (could use a smaller size screen), and their web browser is dirt. Android's isn't much better, but Google seems far more committed to improving it and allowing third party innovation than Apple.

My point, other than to rant about the money I wasted, is that Amazon seem like they will try to compete on price. To do this, they may try a smaller lighter tablet than what is currently out there. I certainly hope so, as it'll satisfy most of my requirements.

If you're listening amazon, 7-8 inches would be perfect. My jacket has an inside pocket that won't fit anything larger, so don't disappoint me!

Hey I'm with that.

osxhero
Jun 26, 2011, 07:53 PM
It'll have a slick interface, but will, as with all competitors, have no apps.

ZipZapRap
Jul 2, 2011, 12:22 AM
It'll have a slick interface, but will, as with all competitors, have no apps.

Slight exaggeration there.
People get so hung up on when an App Store has 300-400k Apps or 200-300k.
Like, you have enough time to peruse every single app. It would take you a year to look at 400k apps if you looked at nearly 1,100 per day

Above a certain number, the amount of apps in a store is irrelevant.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this if true. Amazon are a good company, and I've generally had nothing but positive experiences with them. Amazon, TouchPad, Windows 8... lots of choices on the horizon.

kdarling
Jul 2, 2011, 01:39 AM
Barnes & Nobles is way ahead of them with the Nook Color. Interesting the article doesn't mention B&N.

That brings up some interesting trends that have been in the news:


The Nook Color sold 3 million in its first few months. It's probably up to 4 million now, making it about 15% of the US e-reader market. (Some of the sales were no doubt due to it being a very nice Android tablet for $200-$250, something B&N is now pushing even more with their own app store.)


General purpose tablets are not always replacing e-readers. In the US, about 12% of adults own e-readers, versus 8% on tablets, and the ratio of e-readers continues to climb. So does the number of people who own both types of devices.


Women especially prefer e-readers over general purpose tablets. Women also buy three times the books that men do.


Sales of some major women's magazines on the Nook Color (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html) have been on par with, and even beat, sales of the same magazines on the iPad.


I think part of the continued e-reader sales is the screen size. While an iPad is fine at home or in a backpack/briefcase, it's far easier to carry a 7" reader with you all the time in a purse or pocket. Another main reason of course is the far lower price.

FearNo1
Jul 2, 2011, 10:26 AM
I think amazon's tablet could sell very well. Amazon already has an app store, music and movie services, cloud storage, ebooks, etc. Amazon can also sell this at a low price to spur sales. So far the price of tablets have been too high for me even to consider one. When I think of tablets, I think of affordable computing, e.g. $300 max, not $500 or else I'd get a laptop.