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Jun 23, 2011, 09:48 AM
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9 to 5 Mac reports (http://9to5mac.com/2011/06/22/t-mobile-usa-were-now-carrying-over-a-million-unlocked-iphones/) that a spokesperson for T-Mobile USA has disclosed the carrier currently has over one million iPhone users on its network, despite the fact that Apple has not offered an unlocked iPhone in the United States until the past several weeks and that differences between T-Mobile's network and other GSM networks that mean that iPhones are unable to run at 3G speeds on T-Mobile.In a meeting with T-Mobile spokespeople today ahead of the NYC Pepcom event, I received word that there are actively over a million Apple iPhones currently on T-Mobile's network. When asked for a breakdown, the spokesman said the majority were pre-iPhone 4 but that a significant amount of people had "taken the scissors" to their T-Mobile SIM cards. T-Mobile doesn't currently offer a Micro-SIM solution for Apple's iPhone 4 so people who want to use the iPhone 4 must modify their SIMs into MicroSIMs.T-Mobile noted that it is planning to roll out micro-SIMs at some unspecified time in the future, but declined to discuss any possibility of the iPhone coming directly to the carrier's network.

AT&T announced (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/03/20/atandt-to-acquire-t-mobile-usa-for-39-billion/) back in March that it planned to acquire T-Mobile for $39 billion, although federal regulators are still assessing the impact of the potential merger before giving a final go-ahead on the plans.

Article Link: T-Mobile USA Claims Over One Million iPhones Running On Its Network (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/23/t-mobile-usa-claims-over-one-million-iphones-running-on-its-network/)



soco
Jun 23, 2011, 09:51 AM
I was one of these people years ago with the first iPhone. I have to say, I've never seen T-Mobile as a permanant home for an iPhone. More of a stepping stone if you're in between carriers or something.

But I definitely understand those who call it home. I'm just glad they're there as an option. Choice is king :)

jbennardo
Jun 23, 2011, 10:00 AM
This makes the hot chick from their commercials very sad.

tasset
Jun 23, 2011, 10:06 AM
The fact that 1 million people will live on the fringe with Edge data speeds, Tmobile coverage, and use older OS versions for fear of losing their unlocks, speaks volumes to the extent people will go to avoid AT&T.
The FCC/DOJ should consider this in assessing the damage a Tmobile acquisition will do to consumer choice and the strength being afforded to the Sister Bell's control over the market.

macinnv
Jun 23, 2011, 10:07 AM
Hmmm. Maybe all these illegal jailbreakers should be prosecuted..

Repo
Jun 23, 2011, 10:09 AM
T-Mobile iPhone NAO!!!

nagromme
Jun 23, 2011, 10:19 AM
I believe it! Carrying a dumbphone plus a WiFi-only iPod Touch is a highly functional combination. Carrying an iPhone with EDGE and WiFi both, and only one device to lug, is a step up from that!

amplifyfitness
Jun 23, 2011, 10:20 AM
I, too, am on T-Mobile with an iPhone (3Gs). The network is slower than AT&T's 3G network, but I don't care than much. My Navigon app works just fine and Pandora new hesitates. Yes, there are areas in the country where service is limited, but, again, I don't care enough to switch to AT&T because of the horrible customer service. If T-Mobile becomes AT&T's extension, then I'll no longer use an iPhone.

Right now I have unlimited text and data with 1000 minutes for $80/month (taxes figured in there, too). Verizon and AT&T seem to be clamping down on data usage for what I consider to be unreasonable price points.

Anymore, I'd rather carry an iPad with wi-fi instead of a laptop and use a generic phone.

lehite
Jun 23, 2011, 10:21 AM
Hmmm. Maybe all these illegal jailbreakers should be prosecuted..

Jailbreaking is not illegal. At all.

gkarris
Jun 23, 2011, 10:23 AM
AT&T called - they want all these iPhones back... :eek:

;)

rdowns
Jun 23, 2011, 10:25 AM
The fact that 1 million people will live on the fringe with Edge data speeds, Tmobile coverage, and use older OS versions for fear of losing their unlocks, speaks volumes to the extent people will go to avoid AT&T.
The FCC/DOJ should consider this in assessing the damage a Tmobile acquisition will do to consumer choice and the strength being afforded to the Sister Bell's control over the market.


Really, maybe those people have good access to wifi.

I live on Long Island and have cable through Cablevision. They give their subscribers fast Wifi all over the NY metro area. Additionally, they have reciprocal agreements with Time Warner and Comcast. In other words, I have Wifi virtually everywhere in the NYC metro area. While I still have an unlimited data plan with ATT, I use very little data over 3G. Plenty of other areas around the country have ubiquitous wifi.

dustinsc
Jun 23, 2011, 10:27 AM
I'm one of 'em. Got a used 3G on a really good deal and didn't want a data plan at all at the time. I was just sick of carrying my phone and my iPod touch around with me all the time. I've since gotten a data plan, but it is MUCH cheaper than if I were on AT&T. With all that said though, I'm probably jumping to Verizon when the iPhone 5 comes out.

gkarris
Jun 23, 2011, 10:31 AM
I'm one of 'em. Got a used 3G on a really good deal and didn't want a data plan at all at the time. I was just sick of carrying my phone and my iPod touch around with me all the time. I've since gotten a data plan, but it is MUCH cheaper than if I were on AT&T. With all that said though, I'm probably jumping to Verizon when the iPhone 5 comes out.

That's one thing all us T-Mobile we users on the old $6/month EDGE data plan have to figure out.

AT&T in their rules states the right to automatically put an iPhone user not on one of their iPhone data plans on one.

They are soooooo looking forward to these 1 million users, most I assume, are not on such a plan.

dmcaudio
Jun 23, 2011, 10:31 AM
Jailbreaking is not illegal. At all.

That's right, according to changes to the DMCA a while back. While it's technically still against Apple's TOS and will void your warranty, it's a suitable risk for those of us who don't want to use AT&T. Plus I LOVE not being forced into a data plan with T-Mobile. I have my phone MY way. 2 Lines (both iphones), unlimited minutes, $79.99 a month, and I just tether 3G from my iPad when i really need to. 1 Data plan, 3 devices, just the way it should be!

supmango
Jun 23, 2011, 10:32 AM
The fact that 1 million people will live on the fringe with Edge data speeds, Tmobile coverage, and use older OS versions for fear of losing their unlocks, speaks volumes to the extent people will go to avoid AT&T....

Yep, I know I would. If I could get an iPhone to work on Sprint, I would dump my HTC Evo faster than you can say "Android sucks (insert your own explicative here)." Picture the Office Space scene with the fax machine.

beany boy
Jun 23, 2011, 10:54 AM
This makes the hot chick from their commercials very sad.

For the record, her name is Carly Foulkes, a 23 year old model from Toronto, Canada.

Model At Midnight: Carly Foulkes.

http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/2011/01/carly-foulkes-model-pictures.php

nostaws
Jun 23, 2011, 11:03 AM
I am an iPhone user on T-Mobile. I don't have a data plan (I did in the past), I just have Wifi about everywhere I go.

When I did have EDGE data is was good enough to use google maps when in a pinch, check a blog, or get email. Not the fastest, but serviceable while out and about.

T-Mobile service is great where I live and I haven't had any problems.

I will admit, that it took me forever to upgrade to the latest OS because I don't like the hassle of jailbreaking. I let several updates pass.

goobot
Jun 23, 2011, 11:09 AM
The fact that 1 million people will live on the fringe with Edge data speeds, Tmobile coverage, and use older OS versions for fear of losing their unlocks, speaks volumes to the extent people will go to avoid AT&T.
The FCC/DOJ should consider this in assessing the damage a Tmobile acquisition will do to consumer choice and the strength being afforded to the Sister Bell's control over the market.

Just saying, most of the people that have an iphone on t-mobile are there because of the cheap data plans they can get. My friend was doing it for 2 years because it was cheap yet he always got no service. He finally switched to att and has perfect service. Im sure most wouldnt do it if t-mobile forced smart phone data plans on them.

Menge
Jun 23, 2011, 11:16 AM
Back in May when I went to the US I took my unlocked iPhone 4 over and bought a T-Mobile SIM. The salesperson didn't seem all that worried about me telling him that I would use it in my iPhone 4. He even offered me a pair of scissors so I could cut it right then and there at the store!

I believe this.

reactions
Jun 23, 2011, 11:20 AM
Hmmm. Maybe all these illegal jailbreakers should be prosecuted..

And yet another troll..

I had run on the tmobile network and if you are single and want a good price per month tmobile is a great alternative to AT&T

I'm surprised there aren't more people

$5.99 unlimited Internet was nice while I had it ;)

bergert
Jun 23, 2011, 12:14 PM
The fact that 1 million people will live on the fringe with Edge data speeds, Tmobile coverage, and use older OS versions for fear of losing their unlocks, speaks volumes to the extent people will go to avoid AT&T. The FCC/DOJ should consider this in assessing the damage a Tmobile acquisition will do to consumer choice and the strength being afforded to the Sister Bell's control over the market.

I am an ex-ATT customer; had a CDMA phone and also GSM chip for worldwide roaming (both from ATT). The voice service was so-so; but had on-going problems with over-billing. I stayed only because of the GSM roaming (most of the world uses GSM). In 96 when VoiceStream came along I switched; and never looked back to ATT. 2001 was "merged" into T-Mobile; and am customer ever since. Service is good (as good as ATT) and billing just works. Sometimes the see-your-bill page is down; but that's not an issue if all your bills are correct. ATT was not even able to answer my issues on phone or even in the ATTshop. They said yes, you are right - we fix it. And then nothing happened. For years. Even filed a complaint to FCC for fraudulent operations. Nobody cared.

If they merge with ATT I will move to Verizon.

jbennardo
Jun 23, 2011, 01:07 PM
For the record, her name is Carly Foulkes, a 23 year old model from Toronto, Canada.

Why thank you :p

carlgo
Jun 23, 2011, 01:08 PM
Model At Midnight: Carly Foulkes.

http://celebslam.celebuzz.com/2011/01/carly-foulkes-model-pictures.php

I would insist on a contract, two years or more.

TMar
Jun 23, 2011, 01:33 PM
Hmmm. Maybe all these illegal jailbreakers should be prosecuted..

Knock the dust off your law degree and go get 'em :rolleyes: It's hard to be prosecuted for something that isn't illegal...

ckd
Jun 23, 2011, 02:10 PM
I had a 3GS (factory unlocked, bought in Rome from TIM) and now have a 4 (factory unlocked, bought from the Apple Store in Toronto); I've been using one or the other on T-Mobile for almost two years now. I have a grandfathered data plan (unlimited data + HotSpot access) that I'd been using with my old SonyEricsson phone, and guess what? Tethering works and doesn't cost extra. (I'd tethered with the SE phone before I got the 3GS.)

Assuming that the 4S/5 will be available unlocked in the US (since the 4 is now), that's likely to be my next phone (and I won't need to plan a trip around getting it).

Yes, I only get EDGE speeds when I'm not in Wi-Fi range. BFD. At home or at work, I get much better than 4G speeds, and when I'm out all I really need is enough bandwidth to check mail, do a quick Maps lookup, or use CatchTheBus. Also, with 3G turned off my battery life is great.

(Why a factory unlocked phone? I don't trust jailbreaks, and I don't want to have to wait for OS upgrades.)

TEG
Jun 23, 2011, 07:53 PM
Hmmm. Maybe all these illegal jailbreakers should be prosecuted..

Technically, this is Unlocking, and it IS against the law in the US.

finkmacunix
Jun 23, 2011, 08:23 PM
That's right, according to changes to the DMCA a while back. While it's technically still against Apple's TOS and will void your warranty, it's a suitable risk for those of us who don't want to use AT&T. Plus I LOVE not being forced into a data plan with T-Mobile. I have my phone MY way. 2 Lines (both iphones), unlimited minutes, $79.99 a month, and I just tether 3G from my iPad when i really need to. 1 Data plan, 3 devices, just the way it should be!

The United States is not the world!!! :eek:

Just because it is legal in the US doesn't mean it is legal in other countries…
In Canada, ripping a CD is technically illegal… But the copyright reform bills have all been worse…

justinfreid
Jun 23, 2011, 08:52 PM
Technically, this is Unlocking, and it IS against the law in the US.

Really? Please cite your source.
I don't think it is: http://jstnfrd.com/mAZqzu.

yodaxl7
Jun 24, 2011, 12:07 AM
The fact that 1 million people will live on the fringe with Edge data speeds, Tmobile coverage, and use older OS versions for fear of losing their unlocks, speaks volumes to the extent people will go to avoid AT&T.
The FCC/DOJ should consider this in assessing the damage a Tmobile acquisition will do to consumer choice and the strength being afforded to the Sister Bell's control over the market.

Maybe, they only use wifi. Outside of that, they use it mostly as a phone.

Tiger8
Jun 24, 2011, 07:00 AM
My contract with AT&T ends mid July, after that, I am a free man! I paid my dues, and my 3GS is mine and all mine, no penalty or so.

I am so ready to leave AT&T, I might just temporarily switch to T-Mobile until September, when the new one comes out.

If it comes out on Verizon, I am a happy man.
If it comes out on Sprint, I am a super happy man!

Anonymous Freak
Jun 24, 2011, 11:48 AM
This makes the hot chick from their commercials very sad.

Why? T-Mobile doesn't have to worry about any hardware subsidies! T-Mobile gets all the money from the contracts, with none of the worries of actually supporting the hardware, or dealing with hardware subsidies.

T-Mobile probably loves having iPhones on their network. AT&T subsidized them, they just have to collect the money.

Anonymous Freak
Jun 24, 2011, 11:53 AM
Technically, this is Unlocking, and it IS against the law in the US.

http://www.copyright.gov/1201/

This is straight from the office in charge of determining what is and isn't legal under the US DMCA.


The Librarian of Congress has announced the classes of works subject to the exemption from the prohibition against circumvention of technological measures that control access to copyrighted works.

...

(3) Computer programs, in the form of firmware or software, that enable used wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telecommunications network, when circumvention is initiated by the owner of the copy of the computer program solely in order to connect to a wireless telecommunications network and access to the network is authorized by the operator of the network.

AKA: The one law that could possibly be used to block cell phone unlocking specifically has an exemption declaring that unlocking a cell phone is *NOT* a violation of said law.

Yes, it may be illegal in other countries, but not in the US.

winston1236
Jun 25, 2011, 02:18 PM
Why would they be rolling out anything, ATT is about to buy them or has that changed?

winston1236
Jun 25, 2011, 02:18 PM
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/

This is straight from the office in charge of determining what is and isn't legal under the US DMCA.



AKA: The one law that could possibly be used to block cell phone unlocking specifically has an exemption declaring that unlocking a cell phone is *NOT* a violation of said law.

Yes, it may be illegal in other countries, but not in the US.

pow right in the kisser

rdowns
Jun 25, 2011, 02:33 PM
Why would they be rolling out anything, ATT is about to buy them or has that changed?

Business doesn't stop just because you might merge with a competitor. What if ATT decides to walk away? Or the government not allow it to go through? Not likely but one never knows.

DiSTURBED-oNE
Jun 27, 2011, 03:15 AM
Hey everyone, first post so go easy.

I live in Australia, and I will be flying over to Orlando, FL in July.

In Australia, most of the carriers (at least mine) leave iPhones unlocked and my iPhone 4 is unlocked.

I wanted to purchase a pre-paid T-Mobile sim and use it for internet access and voip calls.

However reading through this thread, people are saying that 3G wont work? WTF? Why not?

If this is true what are my alternatives for a GSM iPhone 4, and please don't say AT&T.

ThomasJL
Jun 27, 2011, 04:46 AM
Hey everyone, first post so go easy.

I live in Australia, and I will be flying over to Orlando, FL in July.

In Australia, most of the carriers (at least mine) leave iPhones unlocked and my iPhone 4 is unlocked.

I wanted to purchase a pre-paid T-Mobile sim and use it for internet access and voip calls.

However reading through this thread, people are saying that 3G wont work? WTF? Why not?

If this is true what are my alternatives for a GSM iPhone 4, and please don't say AT&T.

T-Mobile USA uses the 1700 MHz band for 3G, and the chip in the iPhone does not support that band. (Side note: Ironically, the Qualcomm chip in the CDMA-only Verizon iPhone is capable of supporting every CDMA and GSM band, including the 1700 MHz band, but Apple did not build a SIM card slot on that phone, so it can only be used on Verizon's bands.)

kdarling
Jun 27, 2011, 07:28 AM
While it's technically still against Apple's TOS and will void your warranty, it's a suitable risk for those of us who don't want to use AT&T.

Interestingly, voiding the warranty by jailbreaking is just official Apple "policy". There's nothing contractually connecting third party software with the hardware warranty.

You see, the TOS is only about software. The warranty is only about hardware. (Apple does not warrant software... in fact, the hardware warranty explicitly denies any responsibility for even their own OS, much less anyone else's code.)

Ironically, the iOS TOS and warranty are almost word for word the same as those for OSX and Macs. And users of those do not lose their warranty for loading up third party code.

UbuntuFu
Jun 27, 2011, 10:40 AM
I'm one of those million of T-mobile iPhone users. 32gb 3GS iPhone.

I'm on T-mobile's pre-paid plan which is very cost efficient for me.

$100 for 1 year, which equates to about $8.33 a month. Rather than having 70-80 bucks a month sucked out every month I save so much with prepaid. Voice = 10 cents a minute (1000 min), text = 5 cents receive 10 cents send, EDGE $1.49 for a day pass good for 24 hour access to web.

I work at a large university that has free WiFi on the entire campus. I use Google Voice for free texting. Most of the time I'm either at home or at work, and I rarely talk on the phone for long. When I'm out with friends I don't need to be checking emails sport scores or looking up places to eat. Besides almost all my friends have smart phones now (even though they all have costly contracts). If I really need data and there's no free WiFi spot then it's only 1.49 for a day, yeah it's slow but I don't watch YouTube or anything data intensive.

If AT&T gets approved to buy T-mobile they better not mess with T-mobile's pre-paid plans.

bpear96
Jun 27, 2011, 11:13 AM
Im not sure if any of you know about this but theres a company called simple mobile there a mvno of tmobile. They offer a $60 the has unlimited everything with 4g speeds. but the $50 plan has unlimited everything with 2g speeds which is perfect for those with iphones since they only work on 2g

Anonymous Freak
Jun 27, 2011, 06:15 PM
Hey everyone, first post so go easy.

I'll try. :D

However reading through this thread, people are saying that 3G wont work? WTF? Why not?

If this is true what are my alternatives for a GSM iPhone 4, and please don't say AT&T.

Sorry, the only other nationwide provider in the US is AT&T. :(

There might be some smaller local-only providers in Florida, but I'm on the opposite end of the country, and don't know any of the local companies down there.

However, you can just get an AT&T prepaid service for $50 for unlimited talk/data for one month (where "unlimited" means 2 GB before they start yelling at you, but since you'll be dropping the account when you go home, I don't think you'll care,) http://www.GoPhone.com Although officially you have to pay extra for smartphones.

DiSTURBED-oNE
Jun 27, 2011, 08:32 PM
However, you can just get an AT&T prepaid service for $50 for unlimited talk/data for one month (where "unlimited" means 2 GB before they start yelling at you, but since you'll be dropping the account when you go home, I don't think you'll care,) http://www.GoPhone.com Although officially you have to pay extra for smartphones.

Thanks the for the reply.

Man, that sucks :( . Does tethering/hotspot work with their pre-paid plans?

The reason why I ask, is that the hotel charges $15 per day! for WiFi, and I need access to the internets.

Edit:

According to this:
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/?type=gophone&opt=payg#?type=payg&lat=31.213605789812107&lon=-85.06957911109913&sci=3

Orlando, FL does not have 3G coverage, wtf?

So let me get this straight, you only have two GSM carriers in the US, one is on a band that no-one else in the world uses (1700mhz) and the other only offers 3G to a small portion of the country.

I have this awesome phone, that has maps, emails, apps to help me find restraunts etc, but when I travel to the US, its useless.

scaredpoet
Jun 28, 2011, 10:24 AM
Edit:

According to this:
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/?type=gophone&opt=payg#?type=payg&lat=31.213605789812107&lon=-85.06957911109913&sci=3

Orlando, FL does not have 3G coverage, wtf?


That's not Orlando, FL. In fact, the coordinates you gave aren't even IN Florida... it's closer to Dothan, Alabama. And, if you tab over to the data map, the coordinates DO show as having 3G anyway.

In any case... the REAL Orlando, FL does in fact have 3G coverage:

****************VjVgg

Anonymous Freak
Jun 28, 2011, 12:49 PM
Thanks the for the reply.

Man, that sucks :( . Does tethering/hotspot work with their pre-paid plans?[/quore]
On subscription-paid AT&T, you have to active Hotspot/tethering, and pay extra for the pleasure. I doubt it will be possible to activate on a prepaid plan.

[QUOTE=DiSTURBED-oNE;12840543]The reason why I ask, is that the hotel charges $15 per day! for WiFi, and I need access to the internets.
OUCH! Get another hotel! There are plenty in the US with free internet.

So let me get this straight, you only have two GSM carriers in the US, one is on a band that no-one else in the world uses (1700mhz) and the other only offers 3G to a small portion of the country.

Yup. Welcome to the land of "GSM? What is this GSM of which you speak?" Before AT&T bought it, the carrier was an independent named "Cingular" that offered GSM as one of its networks (but GSM was the newest,) and T-Mobile and Cingular's GSM service were both rather niche-market carriers, mostly targeted at international travelers. The vast majority of US cell phone subscribers subscribed to CDMA carriers, or to pre-GSM/CDMA technologies. The US really was quite 'backward' compared to the rest of the world. That's why the iPhone was so *HUGE* in the US, because nobody had ever seen anything even remotely like it. A phone that wasn't hobbled by the carrier?!? UNHEARD OF! In the US, phones have always been tied to specific carriers, partly because of the many different technologies out there (which has finally settled into a two-tech CDMA/GSM divide, which will hopefully 'merge' when LTE gets widespread.) Partly due to the overly controlling carriers.

DiSTURBED-oNE
Jun 28, 2011, 09:48 PM
That's not Orlando, FL. In fact, the coordinates you gave aren't even IN Florida... it's closer to Dothan, Alabama. And, if you tab over to the data map, the coordinates DO show as having 3G anyway.

In any case... the REAL Orlando, FL does in fact have 3G coverage:

****************VjVgg

I clicked on your link, then I clicked "GoPhone" at the top, which I guess it means prepaid.

In the legend, there is "3G GoPhone - requires 3G capable handset", and there is nothing the Orlando, FL area.

So does this mean prepaid users don't get the same coverage?

Mac_Max
Jun 29, 2011, 04:08 AM
I'm responsible for three of them : o ).

None of them have a Data plan, they just use Wifi (which is pretty easy to get since the many AT&T stores and Starbucks in the area still provide Wifi to iDevices regardless of the carrier).

Nostromo
Jul 2, 2011, 01:40 AM
I'm one of those million of T-mobile iPhone users. 32gb 3GS iPhone.

I'm on T-mobile's pre-paid plan which is very cost efficient for me.

$100 for 1 year, which equates to about $8.33 a month. Rather than having 70-80 bucks a month sucked out every month I save so much with prepaid. Voice = 10 cents a minute (1000 min), text = 5 cents receive 10 cents send, EDGE $1.49 for a day pass good for 24 hour access to web.

I work at a large university that has free WiFi on the entire campus. I use Google Voice for free texting. Most of the time I'm either at home or at work, and I rarely talk on the phone for long. When I'm out with friends I don't need to be checking emails sport scores or looking up places to eat. Besides almost all my friends have smart phones now (even though they all have costly contracts). If I really need data and there's no free WiFi spot then it's only 1.49 for a day, yeah it's slow but I don't watch YouTube or anything data intensive.

If AT&T gets approved to buy T-mobile they better not mess with T-mobile's pre-paid plans.

This sounds like a good plan.

I hope AT&T won't buy T-Mobile. Less competition is bad for all of us.