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jp700p
Jun 29, 2011, 06:44 PM
No offense to anyone, but I find it interesting that whenever someone posts something along the lines of "iPhone is great! Android sucks!" theirs more people jumping in and trying to defend Android. Anyone who tries to speak highly of the iPhone gets either flamed or down voted.

Its not every post that's like this, but I do find it more often here. I lurk the most popular Android forms and I just don't see that type of behavior. Whenever someone says, "My new Android kicks iPhones ass" it seems all of them jump in and backup the op. No one ever defends the iPhone.

And its not just limited to this forum. It happens in social environments. Almost every time I am at any social gathering and the discussion of Android vs iPhone comes up, I notice the Android fans will immediately unite and argue for the Android. While iPhone fans are timid and will sometimes "agree" with the Android fans or won't say anything in defense for the iPhone.

This week, Google said they are activating 500k Android phones per day. I happen to catch this news on a very popular Android news site. The 500k activations weren't surprising, but the amount of true supporters for Android voicing their love for Android in the comments. Most of them were flames towards iPhone. But whenever I see positive news for iPhone on a popular Apple site (such as MacRumors, AppleInsider, AppleOwnz, 9to5mac.. etc..) no one comments positively or comment at all. No wonder their is 500k activations per day because most of the Android fans I have met are absolutely passionate about the Android. I use to see this with iPhone fans, but not so much anymore, even on internet forums or other mediums (magazines, newspaper articles.. etc..)

I just want to hear some explanations why that is. iPhone fans should be more united like the Android fans. I just find some of the self-loathing of the iPhone to be a disturbing and increasing trend.

Your thoughts?



soco
Jun 29, 2011, 06:47 PM
Clever troll hiding behind paragraphs?

In case I'm wrong, it's probably because it's a platform worth defending. It's kind of popular these days y'know.

Another decent percentage of the defense is due to reverse fanboy-ism. It's what I call it when you're a fanboy, through and through, and force yourself to defend other companies' products now and again just to keep the field even ;)

Also...


You must be new here. :)

Alaerian
Jun 29, 2011, 06:49 PM
No one ever defends the iPhone.
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While iPhone fans are timid and will sometimes "agree" with the Android fans or won't say anything in defense for the iPhone.
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iPhone fans should be more united like the Android fans. I just find some of the self-loathing of the iPhone to be a disturbing and increasing trend.
You must be new here. :)

Travisimo
Jun 29, 2011, 06:50 PM
Android sucks.
iPhone sucks.
Xbox 360 sucks.
PS3 sucks.
PC's suck.
Mac's suck.
Chocolate ice creams sucks.
Vanilla ice cream sucks.

There. Glad we got that out of the way.

Bottom line: everyone likes to defend what they love. But the success of both the iPhone and Android is beneficial to us all! Long live competition!

Lotso
Jun 29, 2011, 06:54 PM
It is a very interesting social conundrum.

surfologist87
Jun 29, 2011, 07:03 PM
Because it is very popular. There are so many different android phones on the market today its really amazing what they have done.

I have an HTC Evo, which is an fabulous phone. FOR ME AND WHAT I WANT out of a phone, it is perfect, and suits me better than an iPhone. Ive had an iPhone before and i do miss it, and if and when i switch to verizon soon i will be getting one.

I frequently visit and post in android forums, and believe me, there are many many iPhone threads where people defend, bash, and compare our android to your iPhone. This is also a major forum, discussing the iPhone. Its just natural that people are going to come here too and defend, bash, and compare their iPhone to our androids.

Enjoy your phones, do your research, and enjoy the raping from the cell phone companies!!!

ESPN
Jun 29, 2011, 07:05 PM
Because everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

jp700p
Jun 29, 2011, 07:11 PM
Clever troll hiding behind paragraphs?

In case I'm wrong, it's probably because it's a platform worth defending. It's kind of popular these days y'know.

Another decent percentage of the defense is due to reverse fanboy-ism. It's what I call it when you're a fanboy, through and through, and force yourself to defend other companies' products now and again just to keep the field even ;)

Also...

Again.. now i'm being called a troll just because I am trying to see why theirs so much defending of Android products on an iPhone forum.

I take no offense to the comment at all, just further proves my point.

Why should iPhone fans be forced to defend Android? Why be fake about it? Android simply can not compete with the iPhone. I find more Android users going back to iPhone then iPhone users going back to Android.

Sensamic
Jun 29, 2011, 07:18 PM
I dont defend iOS or Android, Apple or Google, etc. I dont even care if my phone is made by Motorola (sorry Motorola). I defend what is good for my needs.

iOS fits most of my needs, but I really like Android too. Why should I stick with just one of them? That would be REALLY STUPID. It would have no benefits for me. Ill go wherever the good experience is.

Thats why last year I changed all of my windows machines for macs, because OS X is just awesome! Far superior than windows, but that doesnt mean that in the future I wont go back to windows if I see Mac is not good enough and windows has some real enhancements and that kind of stuff.

Im not loyal to anybody but me.

wxman2003
Jun 29, 2011, 07:18 PM
Because no one defends android phones on the android forums.

Bobby Corwen
Jun 29, 2011, 08:04 PM
It's just perception.

The truth is that nobody even joins those threads to defend iPhone because the would be stooping to their level.

No relevant conversation can be had at this time because iPhone is so far ahead on so many fundamental levels, the choice is not even in question so the majority don't bother. Everything has already been said awhile ago in threads from back in the day.

But then EVERY SINGLE android fan will chip in because it's the chip on their shoulder and they always participate, propagating the notion that you feel people don't defend it.

It's that insecurity that makes them come here when we don't go there. Obviously the iPhone is the barometer that everything is up against so they are jealous of that and our response is just to ignore it.

So therefore all the conversations of late seem one sided. I was in there defending for awhile (in the trenches) but then I got in trouble for breaking conversation rules reall fast so I'm like forget it. I'm not gonna get into it with those people because it's pointless really and we are not really allowed to put down their opinions and make them feel silly.

boss.king
Jun 29, 2011, 08:15 PM
Again.. now i'm being called a troll just because I am trying to see why theirs so much defending of Android products on an iPhone forum.

I take no offense to the comment at all, just further proves my point.

Why should iPhone fans be forced to defend Android? Why be fake about it? Android simply can not compete with the iPhone. I find more Android users going back to iPhone then iPhone users going back to Android.

No one is "forced" to defend anything. I don't go out of my way to defend anything, but if I see people spreading false information I tend to correct them. More often than not it's idiots saying iOS/iPhone is the only good phone out there, but I also correct the other types of idiots.

What I don't get is why you think people need to defend a phone at all. You aren't going to hurt it's feelings if you don't tell people nice things about it. Just be honest about your experiences.

maclaptop
Jun 29, 2011, 08:21 PM
It is a very interesting social conundrum.

Actually it's the scurrilous fanboys, more than anything.

Lotso
Jun 29, 2011, 08:41 PM
Actually it's the scurrilous fanboys, more than anything.

I don't think being a fanboy is anything to be ashamed of. You are a fan of something, you have a passion for something, nothing wrong with that; it's what makes us human.

Now Blind Fanboys, that's another story.

tbayrgs
Jun 29, 2011, 08:43 PM
Again.. now i'm being called a troll just because I am trying to see why theirs so much defending of Android products on an iPhone forum.

I take no offense to the comment at all, just further proves my point.

Why should iPhone fans be forced to defend Android? Why be fake about it? Android simply can not compete with the iPhone. I find more Android users going back to iPhone then iPhone users going back to Android.

It exact statements like this that cause what you're describing--simple blind Apple fanboyism. I'm a huge fan of Apple--our house is full of their stuff and that's my preference but you have to be blindly ignorant to honestly believe that Apple's hardware and software are superior in every way to all other devices. It's something called objectivity.

And thus, this post serves as a perfect example of a diehard Apple fan supporting Android, as you put it (and I've never owned an Android device).

Bobby Corwen
Jun 29, 2011, 08:47 PM
It exact statements like this that cause what you're describing--simple blind Apple fanboyism. I'm a huge fan of Apple--our house is full of their stuff and that's my preference but you have to be blindly ignorant to honestly believe that Apple's hardware and software are superior in every way to all other devices. It's something called objectivity.

And this post serves as a perfect example of a diehard Apple fan supporting Android, as you put it.

Please dont resort to calling people names.

The same can be said "blindingly ignorant" to those who think iOS is not in a class of it's own meaning you have no taste for fashion or design or aesthetics.

Every time someone tries to downplay the iOS we know you are just jealous.

Are you so blind you can't tell the difference between something elegant and something 2nd rate?

Who ARE these people? Stop saying we are fanboys. Apple is the envy of planet earth.

Act like it.

radiogoober
Jun 29, 2011, 08:50 PM
I think it's really peculiar too. This is an Apple forum. I can't for the life of me imagine being such a lifeless loser to troll the Android or HP or whatever forums. It's so strange they hang out here and just crap on Apple software and hardware.

Pmoser
Jun 29, 2011, 08:53 PM
Please dont resort to calling people names.

The same can be said "blindingly ignorant" to those who think iOS is not in a class of it's own meaning you have no taste for fashion or design or aesthetics.

Every time someone tries to downplay the iOS we know you are just jealous.

Are you so blind you can't tell the difference between something elegant and something 2nd rate?

Who ARE these people? Stop saying we are fanboys. Apple is the envy of planet earth.

Act like it.

This is why people hate apple owners and apple. The blind fanboism. I have windows devices, mac devices, android phone and an Ipod touch. Each system has there own merits. Blindly defending something though is just wrong.

flipster
Jun 29, 2011, 08:53 PM
Because the people on this forum are mature enough to admit that there are better phones out there than the iPhone. This is a good quality. When you have open minded people, you have a better community.

It's like the PC versus Mac thing. Mac people don't hate on Windows, but Windows users will hate on Macs. iPhone users don't hate on Android, but Android users hate on iPhones. See what I'm getting at ;)? Apple will, and always will be the king of the cell phone market now. They came into it, dominated it, revolutionized it, and made it theirs, and that's a fact.

chris2k5
Jun 29, 2011, 08:54 PM
Android is complete rubbish. I recently got possession of a Thunderbolt and remembered how horribly stupid the design is.

Things that take 1 tap on the iPhone to do will require 2-3 on the Thunderbolt. Stability is crap and the phone's materials remind me of poor quality Lego parts.

Bobby Corwen
Jun 29, 2011, 08:57 PM
This is why people hate apple owners and apple. The blind fanboism. I have windows devices, mac devices, android phone and an Ipod touch. Each system has there own merits. Blindly defending something though is just wrong.

But we don't care about haters, and we are not blind, in fact we can see better. We know what we like and thoroughly enjoy the aesthetics and it's not a blind admiration, but a well thought out one that all of the earth agrees with, Americas, Asia, Europe, everyone loves apple. We are not blind. We have great reasons to believe what we believe.

tbayrgs
Jun 29, 2011, 08:58 PM
Please dont resort to calling people names.

The same can be said "blindingly ignorant" to those who think iOS is not in a class of it's own meaning you have no taste for fashion or design or aesthetics.

Every time someone tries to downplay the iOS we know you are just jealous.

Are you so blind you can't tell the difference between something elegant and something 2nd rate?

Who ARE these people? Stop saying we are fanboys. Apple is the envy of planet earth.

Act like it.

Thanks for proving my point.

maclaptop
Jun 29, 2011, 08:59 PM
I don't think being a fanboy is anything to be ashamed of. You are a fan of something, you have a passion for something, nothing wrong with that; it's what makes us human.

Now Blind Fanboys, that's another story.

I agree with the concept, just the wording that's a bit of an issue. I view people who are very passionate about a product as enthusiasts, such as myself. They are eager to have intelligent conversations without the insults and name calling that are part and parcel of every fanboys negative attitude and eagerness to attack.

In my postings I never call people names or assault their favorite device. There is no perfect phone and that's the good news. If there were it would be awfully boring.

It's their outlandish claims, usually made from a position of ignorance (or outright desire to insult), not first hand knowledge and experience that sets them apart from true enthusiasts that appreciate the different devices with there own set of pros and cons.

Pmoser
Jun 29, 2011, 09:00 PM
But we don't care about haters, and we are not blind, in fact we can see better. We know what we like and thoroughly enjoy the aesthetics and it's not a blind admiration, bit a well thought out one that all of the earth agrees with, Americas, Asia, Europe, everyone loves apple. We are not blind. We have great reasons to know what we know.

If all the earth loves apple. Why is Microsoft winning in the sales of computers. Why is android winning in smart phone sales.

williams51
Jun 29, 2011, 09:05 PM
Don't you find that the android is interesting? It worth defending.

tbayrgs
Jun 29, 2011, 09:05 PM
But we don't care about haters, and we are not blind, in fact we can see better. We know what we like and thoroughly enjoy the aesthetics and it's not a blind admiration, but a well thought out one that all of the earth agrees with, Americas, Asia, Europe, everyone loves apple. We are not blind. We have great reasons to believe what we believe.

If all the earth loves apple. Why is Microsoft winning in the sales of computers. Why is android winning in smart phone sales.

Pmoser, just quit while your ahead, before the headache you get from banging your head against the wall sets in. ;)

Bobby Corwen
Jun 29, 2011, 09:08 PM
If all the earth loves apple. Why is Microsoft winning in the sales of computers. Why is android winning in smart phone sales.

...guys...

I'm out.

Peace

-aggie-
Jun 29, 2011, 09:11 PM
Only an immature child posts “iPhone is great! Android sucks.” Just stick with “iPhone is great!” There’s really no reason to mention Android here. If I wanted to hear about Android, I’d be on an Android forum, not here.

radiogoober
Jun 29, 2011, 09:20 PM
Only an immature child posts “iPhone is great! Android sucks.” Just stick with “iPhone is great!” There’s really no reason to mention Android here. If I wanted to hear about Android, I’d be on an Android forum, not here.

Android is generic garbage. The only reason there's a lot of copies of it out there is because it gets spammed on every crappy handset on the market. Probably 95% of Android users don't know they are actually running Android.

Savor
Jun 29, 2011, 09:27 PM
Welcome to pretty much any forum that ever existed. If there was a forum about knitting, people will find ways to argue in one. A world of cyber bullies and internet tough guys.

Apple can be polarizing and MacRumors happens to be a large community. There probably is more activity around here than general Android forums and cell phone boards like Howard Forums. This isn't just Apple-centric. Look at the thread about what is our favorite dumb phone or which phone would we have if iPhone didn't exist? Many posters know their smartphones and followed other brands before. There is even a thread somewhere here showing people's Android homescreen or if we use both an iPhone AND Android phone together? It is a big community that isn't here to praise iPhone all day. Many have experiences with other OSes and are duel-wielders or perhaps own a MacBook but carry around a non-iOS phone or tablet. I personally don't think anyone should care. Like what you like. Nobody really cares if you think a particular OS is your favorite or the best evah!

boss.king
Jun 29, 2011, 09:50 PM
Android is generic garbage. The only reason there's a lot of copies of it out there is because it gets spammed on every crappy handset on the market. Probably 95% of Android users don't know they are actually running Android.

Do you seriously believe that? There's no way you can be this ignorant. There are lots of Android handsets out there because it is open source and has been adopted by most phone companies. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

AppleDApp
Jun 29, 2011, 10:16 PM
Why should iPhone fans be forced to defend Android? Why be fake about it? Android simply can not compete with the iPhone. I find more Android users going back to iPhone then iPhone users going back to Android.

Learn your facts. Yes I agree the iPhone is great. It lacks in some areas that I can overlook but to say that android can't compete with the iPhone is false.

Android have a variety of phones at different prices points (bigger market)
Android is fragmented
Android marketplace is more open then the App store

The iPhone was one of the first truly revolutionary smartphones meaning the average consumer felt the need to get one.
iOS does lack some features but iOS 5 took the good of android and implemented it in the OS.
Having one phone avoids fragmentation, reduces the market demographic
Having a closed App store avoids fragmentation.

I believe Android will occupy a bigger market share over time. Use whatever phone is best for you.

yg17
Jun 29, 2011, 10:21 PM
I think it's really peculiar too. This is an Apple forum. I can't for the life of me imagine being such a lifeless loser to troll the Android or HP or whatever forums. It's so strange they hang out here and just crap on Apple software and hardware.

Apple makes more than the iPhone. It's possible to have a Mac, iPod, iPad and an Android phone. :rolleyes:

wordoflife
Jun 29, 2011, 10:23 PM
Because half the posts that trash Android are by people who have no idea what they are talking about. The posts are completely wrong and inaccurate.

We're not defending Android, we're just simply saying that you're wrong.

mrmacosx
Jun 29, 2011, 11:00 PM
Please dont resort to calling people names.

The same can be said "blindingly ignorant" to those who think iOS is not in a class of it's own meaning you have no taste for fashion or design or aesthetics.

Every time someone tries to downplay the iOS we know you are just jealous.

Are you so blind you can't tell the difference between something elegant and something 2nd rate?

Who ARE these people? Stop saying we are fanboys. Apple is the envy of planet earth.

Act like it.

Every time you try to downplay Android we know it's only because you are just jealous.

It goes two ways.

Way to prove tbayrgs's point, btw.

Android is generic garbage. The only reason there's a lot of copies of it out there is because it gets spammed on every crappy handset on the market. Probably 95% of Android users don't know they are actually running Android.

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?

Where did you pull '95%' out from?

Because half the posts that trash Android are by people who have no idea what they are talking about. The posts are completely wrong and inaccurate.

We're not defending Android, we're just simply saying that you're wrong.

Exactly what I wanted to say :)

Bobby Corwen
Jun 29, 2011, 11:00 PM
If you notice in this thread it's the same usual suspects too.

Its obvious what their hidden agenda is.

Undercover Apple haters.

Some guy with a 3GS just tried to say someone didn't know first hand whatever they were talking about when he has 2 year old tech. Sure if you got the old screen and slower phone you think Android has caught up. Haha.

Man these threads are so indicative of jealousy.

People can't handle that everything is not equal. In life and in phones.

Ugly people always try to say looks don't matter and good looking people just ignore them.

If people honestly think nobody is better or superior than anyone else than they are living in a very sad, very fake, very insecure reality.

You guys are racing around the track and iPhone is already at the finish line.

mrmacosx
Jun 29, 2011, 11:07 PM
If you notice in this thread it's the same usual suspects too.

Its obvious what their hidden agenda is.

Undercover Apple haters.

Some guy with a 3GS just tried to say someone didn't know first hand whatever they were talking about when he has 2 year old tech. Sure if you got the old screen and slower phone you think Android has caught up. Haha.

Man these threads are so indicative of jealousy.

People can't handle that everything is not equal. In life and in phones.

Ugly people always try to say looks don't matter and good looking people just ignore them.

If people honestly think nobody is better or superior than anyone else than they are living in a very sad, very fake, very insecure reality.

You guys are racing around the track and iPhone is already at the finish line.

Everybody's got a hidden agenda, haven't they? What's yours?

Let me answer for you, since that seems to be what you enjoy doing- "there's no hidden agenda- it's clear to the world".

Mr Jobs, you're not as convincing as you think you are :rolleyes:

If you're a typical iPhone user... wow haughty much?

Haven't been on here for a year and you remind me why I left this place, unfortunately.

s15119
Jun 29, 2011, 11:32 PM
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Your thoughts?

It's an iPad forum. That's my thought.

Bobby Corwen
Jun 29, 2011, 11:44 PM
Everybody's got a hidden agenda, haven't they? What's yours?

Let me answer for you, since that seems to be what you enjoy doing- "there's no hidden agenda- it's clear to the world".

Mr Jobs, you're not as convincing as you think you are :rolleyes:

If you're a typical iPhone user... wow haughty much?

Haven't been on here for a year and you remind me why I left this place, unfortunately.

My hidden agenda is truth.

I'm more interested in truth than allowing everyone equal opinions like children on a playground. Truth is useful. That's why people come on message boards. If you want to have an opinion-festival go on twitter.

On a proper board, truth should thrive.

You guys don't realize that your jealousy makes you downplay the iPhones' position on the throne, and the best choice in phones period -- by a longshot.

This does not lead to truth and is useless.

Bias is not cool. Lying to reach a favorable outcome for your chosen device is not cool.

Truth should prevail.

tigress666
Jun 29, 2011, 11:46 PM
Ugly people always try to say looks don't matter and good looking people just ignore them.


You got negative for this line.

Just cause you prefer good looking people doesn't mean everyone does. And those who don't think looks matter are lucky (I'm not saying I'm one of those, I am shallow in that looks do matter to me). Because they can focus on the more imporant aspect of some one, their personality, how honest they are, how good a person they are, etc.

And in general, you're wrong. Sometimes a spade is a spade. Sometimes when some one says they don't like something... *gasp* they don't like it. Just cause you disagree with them or don't have the same priorities doesn't make them only saying that cause they're jealous. The fact you feel that means you have no ability to comprehend any different point of view other than your own.

As to the OP's question, I do find it annoying the amount of flaming the iphone we get on this forum. It's a freaking iphone forum. Have some respect and if you must say something against the item the forum is dedicated to, at least do it with tact. It's one thing to have calm discussion on the differences of the phone (this one has a larger screen, this one operates this way), but it gets really annoying listening to android fans who go, "Only people who don't know how to get around tech like the iphone." or "only fanboys who refuse to admit they're wrong (or alternatively you must be a fanboy since you think the iphone is better than <insert phone of choice>)" and other things along those lines.

I think I have to agree with some one else, it would be nice to be able to discuss these things without people resorting to insults (including labeling people as fanboys any time they defend their choice of phone as a way of trying to make it seem like their opinion shouldn't count).

maclaptop
Jun 29, 2011, 11:53 PM
Actually it's simple really.

I buy and enjoy both iPhones and Androids.

They are both excellent in their own different ways.

Those who cannot appreciate the differences are the ones that lose.

It's that simple. :)

mrmacosx
Jun 30, 2011, 12:09 AM
My hidden agenda is truth.

I'm more interested in truth than allowing everyone equal opinions like children on a playground. Truth is useful. That's why people come on message boards. If you want to have an opinion-festival go on twitter.

On a proper board, truth should thrive.

You guys don't realize that your jealousy makes you downplay the iPhones' position on the throne, and the best choice in phones period -- by a longshot.

This does not lead to truth and is useless.

Bias is not cool. Lying to reach a favorable outcome for your chosen device is not cool.

Truth should prevail.

So what you're saying is that your opinion = the truth? :rolleyes:

You may think that the iPhone is the best choice in phones, and I completely respect that. Doesn't mean it is the best choice for everyone.

So you know what? You're right, truth should prevail, and bias is not cool. But your statement is not 'truth', it's 'opinion'. It's also a horribly biased opinion too.

Bobby Corwen
Jun 30, 2011, 12:09 AM
Actually it's simple really.

I buy and enjoy both iPhones and Androids.

They are both excellent in their own different ways.

Those who cannot appreciate the differences are the ones that lose.

It's that simple. :)

That is absolutely not the way you would describe the way things are right now if you wanted to give someone who didn't know anything a truthful honest assessment of the way things are.

It's more like iPhone does all the basics much better and android has a few perks (less now after notifications) that make it a better choice to only a unique market.

Assuming you don't carry around multiple items unnecessarily, the argument is that one would make the smartest choice based on their wants and needs.

Now if your wants include a bias towards apple in the decision making process, that end-opinion is not helpful to someone who doesnt share that hatred for Apple and the so called "form over function" debate.

Therefore a pattern of subliminals emerges. I can already notice 3 people who historically fit this subliminal pattern in this very thread.

mrmacosx
Jun 30, 2011, 12:17 AM
That is absolutely not the way you would describe the way things are right now if you wanted to give someone who didn't know anything a truthful honest assessment of the way things are.

It's more like iPhone does all the basics much better and android has a few perks (less now after notifications) that make it a better choice to only a unique market.

Assuming you don't carry around multiple items unnecessarily, the argument is that one would make the smartest choice based on their wants and needs.

Now if your wants include a bias towards apple in the decision making process, that end-opinion is not helpful to someone who doesnt share that hatred for Apple and the so called "form over function" debate.

Therefore a pattern of subliminals emerges. I can already notice 3 people who historically fit this subliminal pattern in this very thread.

My hidden agenda is truth.

On a proper board, truth should thrive.

Bias is not cool. Lying to reach a favorable outcome for your chosen device is not cool.

Truth should prevail.

Take your own advice some time, will you?

Jagardn
Jun 30, 2011, 12:20 AM
If all the earth loves apple. Why is Microsoft winning in the sales of computers. Why is android winning in smart phone sales.

To answer both of your questions, there are a ****load of them on the market and they are inexpensive.

maclaptop
Jun 30, 2011, 12:21 AM
Therefore a pattern of subliminals emerges. I can already notice 3 people who historically fit this subliminal pattern in this very thread.
Provide a link to the subliminal pattern.

Reach9
Jun 30, 2011, 12:22 AM
I honestly felt that Android OS > iOS before iOS 5. But after the WWDC event, I felt that I could use my iPhone as a true smartphone again, and iOS > all other mobile OS, imo.

skier777
Jun 30, 2011, 12:24 AM
Android is well designed and free. Despite this site being named Macrumors, its not just a cult for people willing to lick Steve's shoes. People recognize that other companies make quality products and offer their opinions of that. Nothing wrong with that from my perspective.

I have a Mac, i love it, but I also think lenovo/ibm make great computers. Most of the things discussed on these boards are not black and white issues, but most people make them out to be.

iSayuSay
Jun 30, 2011, 12:30 AM
People love to defend things they have, or like.

Most of us hates to admit "I got an [insert your gadget here], but honestly it sucks, I shouldn't buy it in the first place. Damn was I wrong"

Most of us like "I own $200 Monster HDMI Cable, and the difference is night and day!!!" .. the keyword is I OWN

People want to convince themselves that they had bought the best option available. No matter it's Mac this, iWhatever, Android that, Alienware something. You own it, you'd defend it as much as possible

Bobby Corwen
Jun 30, 2011, 12:31 AM
Take your own advice some time, will you?

I haven't made any statements. I haven't brought up any topic points for you to say that about. There is no arguments or opinions/ideas on the table. The scope of this is not details.

If I was arguing it would be choppy scrolling, laggy behavior, and generic design.

Now just like in science we can have theories and experiments, in conversations/debates we can employ logic using the rules of sound reasoning and critical thinking.

People always say opinion this opinion that butthat is more of a social PC notion to not make anyone feel bad or defensive. But when aspiring to find truth, methods can be used to reach logical conclusions.

In a logical debate the iPhone is clearly a winner, but they know that so they use sleeze tactics to try to downplay the glory of Apple like it's just another equal contender with subliminals and choice of phrases that indirectly try to attack the notion that iPhone is the best and there is no competition arguably.

They can't argue straight on directly so they try to do it in sneaky round about ways and it's all with the intent to get under our skin.

It's like aggie said, it's an iPhone message board! Have some respect and come back when Galaxy S 3 come out, maybe we can have a reasonable debate then.

I am not afraid or angry at the idea of a phone beating the iPhone, but I do get annoyed when people subliminally act like it has already happened when it clearly hasn't.

boss.king
Jun 30, 2011, 12:35 AM
If you notice in this thread it's the same usual suspects too.

Its obvious what their hidden agenda is.

Undercover Apple haters.

Some guy with a 3GS just tried to say someone didn't know first hand whatever they were talking about when he has 2 year old tech. Sure if you got the old screen and slower phone you think Android has caught up. Haha.

Man these threads are so indicative of jealousy.

People can't handle that everything is not equal. In life and in phones.

Ugly people always try to say looks don't matter and good looking people just ignore them.

If people honestly think nobody is better or superior than anyone else than they are living in a very sad, very fake, very insecure reality.

You guys are racing around the track and iPhone is already at the finish line.

I assume your little shot at the guy with the 3GS was aimed at me. If so, I have used an iPhone 4 and Android phones. I'm not having this argument with you since I've already blocked you, I just saw this quoted and wanted to point out that you are the one missing out if you are willing to be so closed minded. Like you said, not everything is equal, each has it's own strengths and weaknesses. Not everyone has the same needs either. Think about that next time you pretend to be more knowledgeable than you really are.

AndrewR23
Jun 30, 2011, 12:48 AM
Hey bobby, say 15 years from now Apple has already discontinued iPhone and the last one released was the 4. Would you still be using it in 15 years? Or actually TRY something new without the bias that you currently have?

I remember you said the SGS2 was worse than the 4 because of YouTube videos you watch?

Curious, when you try new foods, do you look up a video review?

One day you will grow out of your iPhone shell and see what other devices are like. But right now your attitude is "Oh that phone runs Android, it sucks GO IPhone YAYYY"

tekker
Jun 30, 2011, 01:05 AM
Shut up.

Just because I buy/like certain Apple products doesn't mean I have to like them all. It's my decision to use whatever I want, unlike some of you who have their lips around Steve-O's ****

mysterioustko
Jun 30, 2011, 01:59 AM
It's all a matter of taste. The iphone was designed to be a smartphone made simple. Apple succeeded in doing that. It is the best simplified smartphone on the market. However that does not make it the best smartphone on the market. The same thing that makes it a strength (it's simplicity) is also it's biggest weakness. Some people want more options and thus an iphone will not work for them.

@Bobby Corwen
The same things you rave about the iphone are things I don't like about it. For example, I hate the browser scrolling on the iPhone. It is very stiff and rigid. If you are on a long page (like engadget) it takes a lot of swipes to get to the bottom (because it keeps stopping) whereas on other platforms such as android the scrolling is more kinetic and the speed and length of the scroll is determined moreso by the speed of the swipe (instead of a predetermined scroll distance). Also, I don't care for the iPhone 4's build quality. As much as I hear people bashing the build quality of manufacturers like Samsung, saying it's just cheap plastic, their phones tend to be a bit more durable than the iPhone 4 has proven to be. What I mean is, if you drop the iPhone 4 you may wind up with shattered glass, whereas if you drop that "cheap plastic" Samsung, it is more likely to suffer only minor damage if any (depending on the surface you dropped it on). Phones get dropped...even the most careful person has an accident every once in a while. The other part of the iPhone 4's build quality that I have a problem with is that it is not very comfortable to hold. There is absolutely no ergonomic design in the iPhone 4 at all. I think the 3GS is MUCH MORE comfortable to hold than the iPhone 4. That being said, I think the iPhone 4 is a good phone overall. I just don't believe it's the end all be all of phones. It has it's strong points and it has it's weak points, just as any other phone does. In the end it just depends on the person and what their needs are. We have iPhones in our family and we have some Android phones (Sensation and Nexus S) and everyone is happy. To each their own.

0dev
Jun 30, 2011, 02:06 AM
I think it's the "Android sucks" part people get upset about.

Apple forums are quite hostile, though. On BlackBerry forums you can compliment rival platforms without being flamed. It's amazing :rolleyes:

Bobby Corwen
Jun 30, 2011, 02:09 AM
I assume your little shot at the guy with the 3GS was aimed at me. If so, I have used an iPhone 4 and Android phones. I'm not having this argument with you since I've already blocked you, I just saw this quoted and wanted to point out that you are the one missing out if you are willing to be so closed minded. Like you said, not everything is equal, each has it's own strengths and weaknesses. Not everyone has the same needs either. Think about that next time you pretend to be more knowledgeable than you really are.

Don't try to malign my character.

naths
Jun 30, 2011, 02:15 AM
because android is as good if not better than ios!!!..apple are playing catch up now with android,ok...ios may be smoother running but nowhere near as many custom options,notifications etc.....i mean 500,000 android activations a day and people on here say android is rubbish!!!!...hmmm...iv got a iphone4 and a HTC sensation,both great,one other thing in the mix is windows,wait untill Nokia release the N9 with that,will put ios and android to shame,its about time the best phone hardware manufacturor got a decent operating system!!:D

Bobby Corwen
Jun 30, 2011, 02:28 AM
It's all a matter of taste. The iphone was designed to be a smartphone made simple. Apple succeeded in doing that. It is the best simplified smartphone on the market. However that does not make it the best smartphone on the market. The same thing that makes it a strength (it's simplicity) is also it's biggest weakness. Some people want more options and thus an iphone will not work for them.

@Bobby Corwen
The same things you rave about the iphone are things I don't like about it. For example, I hate the browser scrolling on the iPhone. It is very stiff and rigid. If you are on a long page (like engadget) it takes a lot of swipes to get to the bottom (because it keeps stopping) whereas on other platforms such as android the scrolling is more kinetic and the speed and length of the scroll is determined moreso by the speed of the swipe (instead of a predetermined scroll distance). Also, I don't care for the iPhone 4's build quality. As much as I hear people bashing the build quality of manufacturers like Samsung, saying it's just cheap plastic, their phones tend to be a bit more durable than the iPhone 4 has proven to be. What I mean is, if you drop the iPhone 4 you may wind up with shattered glass, whereas if you drop that "cheap plastic" Samsung, it is more likely to suffer only minor damage if any (depending on the surface you dropped it on). Phones get dropped...even the most careful person has an accident every once in a while. The other part of the iPhone 4's build quality that I have a problem with is that it is not very comfortable to hold. There is absolutely no ergonomic design in the iPhone 4 at all. I think the 3GS is MUCH MORE comfortable to hold than the iPhone 4. That being said, I think the iPhone 4 is a good phone overall. I just don't believe it's the end all be all of phones. It has it's strong points and it has it's weak points, just as any other phone does. In the end it just depends on the person and what their needs are. We have iPhones in our family and we have some Android phones (Sensation and Nexus S) and everyone is happy. To each their own.

Fair enough. Some points I don't agree though such as ergonomics but it's the OS behavior that makes the end all be all. Last time I had a phone so powerful yet responsive was the palm treo 650. Instant response.

I think it's the "Android sucks" part people get upset about.

Apple forums are quite hostile, though. On BlackBerry forums you can compliment rival platforms without being flamed. It's amazing :rolleyes:

Nobody is saying Android sucks, just saying if comparing the two the Android is not as good.

Android is 2nd best yes. That is far from sucking.

mysterioustko
Jun 30, 2011, 02:57 AM
Fair enough. Some points I don't agree though such as ergonomics but it's the OS behavior that makes the end all be all. Last time I had a phone so powerful yet responsive was the palm treo 650. Instant response.


As for ergonomics, I don't really think that is something that can be debated. The iPhone 4 has no curves or contours, it definitely is not ergonomic. That can't really be debated. It's was designed to look nice, not to fit the contours of your hand. With the 3GS the curve made it sit it in your hand much more naturally (which is the point of ergonomics) than the iPhone4 does.

As for your statement regarding the OS behavior...I think this what makes discussions like this interesting. The same thing you stated you think makes the OS superior is the same thing that I think makes it a less viable option (for me at least). The OS behavior in my opinion is too simplified, to the point where I don't really have control over it. Where OS's such as Android are designed so that I can tailor make my experience to suit my needs, IOS dictates to me what my experience will be. Then IOS is missing simple things like smart dialing and bluetooth data transfers (which I use to send files to my girl's phone and to and from my laptop). Then on IOS I'm stuck to iTunes....when I buy an iPhone4 to sell, I always have to bring my netbook with me just so I can wipe the phone of the person I just bought from. Doesn't make sense to me that I can't just wipe the phone locally from the device itself. Then I don't understand why iTunes is required to do simple things like add a custom ringtone that I made. It is things like this that drive me away from IOS. I think it's time for them to update their browser and give it more functionality...I don't understand why they still have not added reflowing text. I can't tell you how convenient it is to just double tap your screen and the text reformats itself to fit your screen so you don't have to scroll side to side.
Yes iOS is a smooth running OS, but then again it should be...it doesn't really do anything in the background. Just as a point of reference, even on a lower end android phone, if you disabled all background processes and disabled data syncing in the background, you get a much increased battery life and it will run smoother (of course the higher end phones run smooth anyway).
Those are some examples of what I mean when I say that iOS' behaviors/functionality is the reason I do not prefer iPhone. Also, I find the look of IOS to be a bit too bubbly and cartoonish. As stated previously I'm not saying "iPhone sucks" or anything like that. I'm just simply stating that it all depends on your perspective and how you look at things. I just think it's very interesting that the same reason you love the phone is the same reason that I do not. I think this serves as a perfect example to prove that there is no "best" phone, but that there is a best phone for a particular individual.

Bobby Corwen
Jun 30, 2011, 02:59 AM
Each pro and con also has a different and various "weighted value"

For example:

iPhone Pros
Smoother operation in mail, internet, apps and everything - 80 points
Ecosystem - 30 points
Apps - 30

Android Pros
Flash - 50
Open - 10
Larger screen size(not necessarily quality) - 20


Similar for the cons.

If you add it up, only one pro is approximately the equivalent of all the android pros. This is a simplified approximation to illustratethe concept to stop peole from saying:

"well they both have their benefits and it just depends what you need"

Well they both do pretty much everything but one does the same things better. The extras are extras.

Lotso
Jun 30, 2011, 03:00 AM
I agree with the concept, just the wording that's a bit of an issue. I view people who are very passionate about a product as enthusiasts, such as myself. They are eager to have intelligent conversations without the insults and name calling that are part and parcel of every fanboys negative attitude and eagerness to attack.

In my postings I never call people names or assault their favorite device. There is no perfect phone and that's the good news. If there were it would be awfully boring.

It's their outlandish claims, usually made from a position of ignorance (or outright desire to insult), not first hand knowledge and experience that sets them apart from true enthusiasts that appreciate the different devices with there own set of pros and cons.

So can we agree on "fan-gents" then? ;)

mysterioustko
Jun 30, 2011, 03:35 AM
Each pro and con also has a different and various "weighted value"

For example:

iPhone Pros
Smoother operation in mail, internet, apps and everything - 80 points
Ecosystem - 30 points
Apps - 30

Android Pros
Flash - 50
Open - 10
Larger screen size(not necessarily quality) - 20


Similar for the cons.

If you add it up, only one pro is approximately the equivalent of all the android pros. This is a simplified approximation to illustratethe concept to stop peole from saying:

"well they both have their benefits and it just depends what you need"

Well they both do pretty much everything but one does the same things better. The extras are extras.

Again we disagree. Take ecosystem for example, I see Apple's ecosystem as a con not a plus. I like having options. I don't like being forced to deal with one thing (appstore) and one thing only. Take Amazon's app store for example, they often have apps cheaper than in the "Market", and they give out a free paid app every day. In Apple's ecosystem, that is not possible. Also I definitely have to disagree with you about smoothness of "mail, internet, apps and everything". I'll preface this by saying I am comparing this to a high end Android device such as the Nexus S...IN MY OPINION the browsing experience is much better on the Nexus S than it is on the iphone 4. I don't think the iPhone 4 is smooth at all, as the scrolling is too slow and rigid to make that claim. Not to mention the checkerboarding that often takes place when scrolling..that doesn't happen on the Nexus S. Android's mail app runs just fine on the Nexus S also. It doesn't lag at all so I wouldn't say that the experience is any smoother on the iPhone4 than on the Nexus S. Maybe it is if you compare it to a lower end device, but that definitely is not the case with the Nexus S (and several other high end Android devices). Also, it would make more sense if you were comparing the iPhone to one phone and not to every phone that happens to have the Android OS on it. Remember Android is only an OS. Different phones have different capabilities and deliver a different experience.

My point system would be more like:

iphone Pros:
Apps - 20
Simpicity - 5
No real fragmentation - 20
Batter life (depending on the phone you're comparing against this may be higher. The iphone 4 has better battery life than the Nexus S but not by much) - 10


Nexus S (notice I specified a phone and not an entire OS) Pros:
Cloud Connectivity - 15
Customizability - 20
Better Browsing - 10
Flash - 30
Native Turn-by-turn Navigation - 30
Full bluetooth capability - 10
Background Data - 15
Larger screen - 20

Note: When I say cloud connectivity I mean that on a couple fronts. Yes I'm aware that iOS 5 has some cloud connectivity. But I can use the Nexus S and access and edit files in the cloud, which is accessible from my computers or tablets (such as dropbox). Also when you first set up the Nexus S, it will download all of your apps automatically and restore your wifi settings from your backup in the cloud. The same is also true with your calendars and contacts. Also I can push webpages, clipboard data, and maps from my computer to my phone and vice versa all through the cloud (which is very useful).

aphexacid
Jun 30, 2011, 03:43 AM
It's kind of popular these days y'know.


Thats because its the only other choice. Google played the game correctly, and eclipsed the OS i thought would be a great option to ios, webos.
Biggest selling points are its excellent stability....unlike android (why is battery life still such an issue?? constant force closes, and other miscellaneous weirdnes.

Excellent user interface. Android looks like booty, and is nowhere near as intuitive as ios or webos. android is pretty geeky.

my opinion of course, but i've tried android so many times, and i just think its bootleg.

Schweitzer
Jun 30, 2011, 04:11 AM
Why should iPhone fans be forced to defend Android?

LOL WUT?

For most people phones are products - not their purpose in life.

Tip: for peace of mind identify with your favourite brand of washing machine instead.

Now if you think that's a ridiculous suggestion you might be on the right track.

stevensr123
Jun 30, 2011, 04:23 AM
People keep going on about stability and lagging on android , of gets on my nerves.

The latest android phones work like a dream and are as fluid and fast as iOS .

I have had the htc desire, desire hd , the iPhone 4 and now on the samsung galaxy s2.

The galaxy s2 is better than the iPhone 4 in every single way, faster, better screen, more durable and thinner design, bigger screen, better to hold, as fluid and responsive as the iPhone 4 infact web browsing is even more fluid and faster.

People keep on comparing the iPhone 4 with old and laggy android phones, but that's a myth now.

I have yet to have one crash or a case of lagging on this sgs2, it's an amazing phone.

And people rightly defend there choices, just like apple supporters would defend apple, it's a tribal effect in many ways.

I like to remain open minded though and because I am open minded I am in a win-win situation.

Apple release a phone that isn't as good as samsung galaxy s2, I don't buy it.

Apple release a phone that isn't as good as the latest and greatest, apple fan boys don't consider there options and automatically buy it because it's apple.

Fernandez21
Jun 30, 2011, 04:29 AM
Thats because its the only other choice. Google played the game correctly, and eclipsed the OS i thought would be a great option to ios, webos.
Biggest selling points are its excellent stability....unlike android (why is battery life still such an issue?? constant force closes, and other miscellaneous weirdnes.

Excellent user interface. Android looks like booty, and is nowhere near as intuitive as ios or webos. android is pretty geeky.

my opinion of course, but i've tried android so many times, and i just think its bootleg.

I agree, webos is my favorite os. It's just when you put all things considered (features, app, hardware, accessories ) the iPhone still comes out on top, but on a purely ui standpoint webos is by far my favorite. I ranks them: 1. Webos, 2. iOS, 3. Windows phone, 4. Meego, 5. Qnx (blackberry), 6. Android. (yes android is my least favorite of all smart phone os'es besides blackberry and Symbian. Had an atrix for three months and hated it, the hardware was great, but the android expiernce was aggravating. )

62tele
Jun 30, 2011, 05:19 AM
To me, it is quite simple. Why should an android user post on an iPhone forum, particulalry if it's merely to trash iPhone. I get that android has some neat features, etc. And, if you have other Apple products but an an android phone, you still shouldn't be an iphone forum just to bash the device.
It's two different models. You have a choice. If you chose android, don't come here to play this silly nanny nanny boo boo game. You made your choice, go play with the android folks.
Most of this crap is trivial.

0dev
Jun 30, 2011, 05:23 AM
To me, it is quite simple. Why should an android user post on an iPhone forum, particulalry if it's merely to trash iPhone. I get that android has some neat features, etc. And, if you have other Apple products but an an android phone, you still shouldn't be an iphone forum just to bash the device.
It's two different models. You have a choice. If you chose android, don't come here to play this silly nanny nanny boo boo game. You made your choice, go play with the android folks.
Most of this crap is trivial.

So why are you on an iPhone forum just to bash Android?

Stanjara
Jun 30, 2011, 05:42 AM
I don't know about forums, but i know about real life. In my country Croatia, iPhones are very expensive...and more, contracts on witch you can get them are pretty expensive too. There are no real apple commercials, besides for the iphone 4 when it came out. So people with apple products are looked like... douche y strange people with money. T-mobile witch is the leading mobile company, advertises crappy android phones and makes them magical, so talking bull to apple products is pretty normal on our forums....and real life. There are actually two android phones that i like and they are sgs2 and htc sensation. They are the only ones that do not lag in the interface...but they are top of the line right now...so they are as much,or even more exp...than iphone 4. I personally don't like android...for me it lacks polish that ios has with it's app store. I do understand praising sgs2 and sasation, but for other phones i don't. Other brands are updating and advertising their specs (camera, screen) but for me it doesn't matter. I realy like my 3gs...build quality and the ios, and it has changed my life. I dont have a need for anything else...except maybe unlimited data plan.

p.s. planing to buy mac book pro

Bobby Corwen
Jun 30, 2011, 05:59 AM
Hey bobby, say 15 years from now Apple has already discontinued iPhone and the last one released was the 4. Would you still be using it in 15 years? Or actually TRY something new without the bias that you currently have?

I remember you said the SGS2 was worse than the 4 because of YouTube videos you watch?

Curious, when you try new foods, do you look up a video review?

One day you will grow out of your iPhone shell and see what other devices are like. But right now your attitude is "Oh that phone runs Android, it sucks GO IPhone YAYYY"

I've done the research and there is a distinguishable difference. I am not that closed minded. It would take a lot to get me to sway and would have to be as revolutionary as the iPhone itself to get me to get a device that doesn't match my MacBook pro.

So can we agree on "fan-gents" then? ;)


Lmao!
Thats because its the only other choice. Google played the game correctly, and eclipsed the OS i thought would be a great option to ios, webos.
Biggest selling points are its excellent stability....unlike android (why is battery life still such an issue?? constant force closes, and other miscellaneous weirdnes.

Excellent user interface. Android looks like booty, and is nowhere near as intuitive as ios or webos. android is pretty geeky.

my opinion of course, but i've tried android so many times, and i just think its bootleg.

Lol @ bootleg. Great way to describe its swag.
People keep going on about stability and lagging on android , of gets on my nerves.

The latest android phones work like a dream and are as fluid and fast as iOS .

I have had the htc desire, desire hd , the iPhone 4 and now on the samsung galaxy s2.

The galaxy s2 is better than the iPhone 4 in every single way, faster, better screen, more durable and thinner design, bigger screen, better to hold, as fluid and responsive as the iPhone 4 infact web browsing is even more fluid and faster.

People keep on comparing the iPhone 4 with old and laggy android phones, but that's a myth now.

I have yet to have one crash or a case of lagging on this sgs2, it's an amazing phone.

And people rightly defend there choices, just like apple supporters would defend apple, it's a tribal effect in many ways.

I like to remain open minded though and because I am open minded I am in a win-win situation.

Apple release a phone that isn't as good as samsung galaxy s2, I don't buy it.

Apple release a phone that isn't as good as the latest and greatest, apple fan boys don't consider there options and automatically buy it because it's apple.


That's what I initially thought too but then i used the sensation and saw video of the sgs2 and there is a noticible difference that you are not noticing and when you say it's as smooth or smoother it's false, a different type of low res behavior, and as a man with attention to detail i notice.

This is an example of a concise argument. Like I said, you guys are in fact getting close.
To me, it is quite simple. Why should an android user post on an iPhone forum, particulalry if it's merely to trash iPhone. I get that android has some neat features, etc. And, if you have other Apple products but an an android phone, you still shouldn't be an iphone forum just to bash the device.
It's two different models. You have a choice. If you chose android, don't come here to play this silly nanny nanny boo boo game. You made your choice, go play with the android folks.
Most of this crap is trivial.


Correct
So why are you on an iPhone forum just to bash Android?

huuh???? I don't think you realize it messes with our "vibe" here to see unsettling android threads at the top of the charts every day. We are trying to swag out here about the products we love. We don't need you relentless tyranny.

Kariya
Jun 30, 2011, 06:11 AM
Symptom of those who tie their identity with their mobile phone.

decafjava
Jun 30, 2011, 07:24 AM
Symptom of those who tie their identity with their mobile phone.

You'd think it was a magical ring or something. :rolleyes:

radiogoober
Jun 30, 2011, 07:35 AM
Do you seriously believe that? There's no way you can be this ignorant. There are lots of Android handsets out there because it is open source and has been adopted by most phone companies. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

There's no need to insult me. Android was adopted for two reasons: 1. They couldn't get iOS, and 2. The proprietary phone OS whatever manufacturer was using was complete crap.

There's two different ways to look at the word "compete." One, as in "Will Android ever be a superior platform to iOS?" The answer is a resounding "Not a chance in hell." The other way is to say "Will there be more copies of Android out there than iOS?" The answer is "Yup!" Why? Because it's getting spammed on dozens and dozens of handsets. The vast majority of which are complete crap.

Just because you spread a turd everywhere doesn't make it a great phone OS. Good luck with your antivirus software.

boss.king
Jun 30, 2011, 08:02 AM
There's no need to insult me. Android was adopted for two reasons: 1. They couldn't get iOS, and 2. The proprietary phone OS whatever manufacturer was using was complete crap.

There's two different ways to look at the word "compete." One, as in "Will Android ever be a superior platform to iOS?" The answer is a resounding "Not a chance in hell." The other way is to say "Will there be more copies of Android out there than iOS?" The answer is "Yup!" Why? Because it's getting spammed on dozens and dozens of handsets. The vast majority of which are complete crap.

Just because you spread a turd everywhere doesn't make it a great phone OS. Good luck with your antivirus software.


Where did I insult you? I will say that you don't seem to know they advantages Android offers over iOS. That doesn't mean iOS doesnt have it's own advantages, but it's not the one OS to rule them all as you portray it to be. You should also look up the words spam and choice, Android is being used as it is a solid competitor to iOS, and allows phone makers to explore many uses of the OS and offers variety of devices to suit many needs.

Btw, anyone who needs to use an antivirus app on their phone is an idiot. Common sense will protect you more than any antivirus will. Don't bring up irrelevant points to try and spread misinformation

tigress666
Jun 30, 2011, 08:45 AM
Also, I don't care for the iPhone 4's build quality. As much as I hear people bashing the build quality of manufacturers like Samsung, saying it's just cheap plastic, their phones tend to be a bit more durable than the iPhone 4 has proven to be.

I dunno, the way I see it is that yes, glass is more likely to break if you drop it (without a case, I've dropped my 4 several times with a cheap silicone case and it's fine). But... in general, at least the plastic Apple uses, seems to crack even if you take care of it. At least I have a chance with the glass phone of it not cracking (Seriously, I've found lately that plastic Apple products are very prone to cracking just from use. My 3G got the crack a lot of people complained about coming from the dock connector area. My Macbook got cracks right on the "palmrest" areas of the keyboard, not to mention every single person I knew with a plastic Macbook had the same exact issues, even to the point one person had his keyboard and therefore the palmrest replaced and the new one cracked too! It's so bad apple will replace that part up to 3x according to one genius I talked to. Shoot, even the back of my macbook has a small crack coming from the airvent).

So yeah, I don't have any faith in Apple + plastic (I don't seem to have this issue with other manufacturers, just Apple). So I'd rather they not use plastic as either they use crappy plastic or they make forms that tend to stress the plastic out (not sure which).

And I agree with you that phones get dropped. But at this point, I'd rather deal with a case and have a glass phone that I have a chance of it not cracking.

The other part of the iPhone 4's build quality that I have a problem with is that it is not very comfortable to hold.

You know, before I got the 4 I thought this would be an issue. But honestly, I barely notice the difference holding it between it and my old 3G. I have to hold the 3G before I hold the 4 before I even notice it. It's not bad at all. And I *love* the fact it sits flat on a table. It's so much nicer.

iperson21
Jun 30, 2011, 08:59 AM
I have an iPod Touch, and just recently got a DROID Incredible 2.
I still love both devices, but i feel like my droid does some things better, and my ipod does some things better.
For android, i <3 the bigger screen, the pull-down notifications, widgets, scrollable docks (launcher pro) different launchers, live wallpapers, and the fact that i can download apps off the internet and install them, even if they arent on the market.

for my ipod touch, i love the web browsing in camparision to my droid. i also like the more easy to use app store. another plus is itunes syncing. Yes, i realize its slow and everything, but its an easy way to get all my files from my computer>ipod. but, of course, i can't download files OTA like i can on my droid via mediafire, cloud, dropbox, etc.

for me, i think android is close, but not yet there on being better than iOS, but Ice Cream Sandwich or me having a Nexus S might have changed my look of android.

for me, the iPhone has become too mainstream for no good reason, since i think the form factor of iphone sucks, and honestly, some android phones are hell of a lot better.

zetsurin
Jun 30, 2011, 10:22 AM
It's just perception.

The truth is that nobody even joins those threads to defend iPhone because the would be stooping to their level.

No relevant conversation can be had at this time because iPhone is so far ahead on so many fundamental levels, the choice is not even in question so the majority don't bother. Everything has already been said awhile ago in threads from back in the day.

But then EVERY SINGLE android fan will chip in because it's the chip on their shoulder and they always participate, propagating the notion that you feel people don't defend it.

It's that insecurity that makes them come here when we don't go there. Obviously the iPhone is the barometer that everything is up against so they are jealous of that and our response is just to ignore it.

So therefore all the conversations of late seem one sided. I was in there defending for awhile (in the trenches) but then I got in trouble for breaking conversation rules reall fast so I'm like forget it. I'm not gonna get into it with those people because it's pointless really and we are not really allowed to put down their opinions and make them feel silly.

Absolutely 100% biased, and wrong. You must be new to the web as Apple fans are notorious for going to all corners of the web to defend the Apple brand.

mrmacosx
Jun 30, 2011, 11:47 AM
I haven't made any statements. I haven't brought up any topic points for you to say that about. There is no arguments or opinions/ideas on the table. The scope of this is not details.

If I was arguing it would be choppy scrolling, laggy behavior, and generic design.

Now just like in science we can have theories and experiments, in conversations/debates we can employ logic using the rules of sound reasoning and critical thinking.

People always say opinion this opinion that butthat is more of a social PC notion to not make anyone feel bad or defensive. But when aspiring to find truth, methods can be used to reach logical conclusions.

In a logical debate the iPhone is clearly a winner, but they know that so they use sleeze tactics to try to downplay the glory of Apple like it's just another equal contender with subliminals and choice of phrases that indirectly try to attack the notion that iPhone is the best and there is no competition arguably.

They can't argue straight on directly so they try to do it in sneaky round about ways and it's all with the intent to get under our skin.

It's like aggie said, it's an iPhone message board! Have some respect and come back when Galaxy S 3 come out, maybe we can have a reasonable debate then.

You've already shown clear bias towards the iPhone, so your opinion (or, as you call it, 'facts') is useless, by your own definition.

I am not afraid or angry at the idea of a phone beating the iPhone, but I do get annoyed when people subliminally act like it has already happened when it clearly hasn't.

You clearly are afraid- I'm quite annoyed when people subliminally act like it hasn't happened with it clearly has.

Oops- my opinion here. Just sayin'- admitting that the i9100 has some features (and it should- it's one year younger!) that outdo Apple isn't going to hurt you.

Try to be a bit open minded, and step out of 1 Infinite Loop for one moment, will you? Bluntly stating that your opinions = facts isn't going to get you any support here, the downranks show that quite well.


There's no need to insult me. Android was adopted for two reasons: 1. They couldn't get iOS, and 2. The proprietary phone OS whatever manufacturer was using was complete crap.

There's two different ways to look at the word "compete." One, as in "Will Android ever be a superior platform to iOS?" The answer is a resounding "Not a chance in hell." The other way is to say "Will there be more copies of Android out there than iOS?" The answer is "Yup!" Why? Because it's getting spammed on dozens and dozens of handsets. The vast majority of which are complete crap.

Just because you spread a turd everywhere doesn't make it a great phone OS. Good luck with your antivirus software.

Oh look, it's another 'my opinion = facts' poster. Are all Apple fanboys like this?

Looking at your post history, I see how you commented on the 'iOS has no security flaws and Androidhas more holes than Mars' post and blindly posted 'Android is a POS' having only read that article from an known Apple biased blog (without actually reading the original Symantec article).

Why don't you go back to that thread and read up on what the original article (not some insanely biased article from that apple blog) says? It states that both iOS and Android have security flaws :rolleyes:

Tarzanman
Jun 30, 2011, 11:57 AM
Why not? Why defend the Nissan Altima or Malmar Qadaffi?

People have different opinions on different topics, which is acceptable.

The problem is those people who define their identities by what they consume commercially. They do this, and so when someone criticizes an iPhone or Apple, they perceive it as a slight upon their person.

Its a little ridiculous, but pretty common in this country.

radiogoober
Jun 30, 2011, 12:05 PM
Oh look, it's another 'my opinion = facts' poster. Are all Apple fanboys like this?

Looking at your post history, I see how you commented on the 'iOS has no security flaws and Androidhas more holes than Mars' post and blindly posted 'Android is a POS' having only read that article from an known Apple biased blog (without actually reading the original Symantec article).

Why don't you go back to that thread and read up on what the original article (not some insanely biased article from that apple blog) says? It states that both iOS and Android have security flaws :rolleyes:

So which antivirus software do you use on your Android device? How much malware have you downloaded from the "app store" (I put it in quotes, because it can hardly be considered an app store. More like a crap store.)

pattigranda
Jun 30, 2011, 12:06 PM
I wouldn't say android is rubbish, but it is "all over the place". You never know if something is going to work. with my iphone it "just works"

walangij
Jun 30, 2011, 12:20 PM
And its not just limited to this forum. It happens in social environments. Almost every time I am at any social gathering and the discussion of Android vs iPhone comes up, I notice the Android fans will immediately unite and argue for the Android. While iPhone fans are timid and will sometimes "agree" with the Android fans or won't say anything in defense for the iPhone.


OP may need some new friends.

I've never been to a social gathering where people argued Android vs. iPhone. I would guess that most people don't seriously argue with friends/acquaintances about their technological preferences in a public setting. The only occasions where this happens that I've been to are webdev meetups where we talk xcode vs java.



As per why people here defend Android. Its because Apple users are a huge diverse group. iPod users, Mac, iPhone, iPad. Not everyone on MacRumors owns an iPhone, just like not everyone owns an iPad or Mac. The majority here don't own ONLY Apple products but we love the ones we do nonetheless.

Lotso
Jun 30, 2011, 12:30 PM
To me, it is quite simple. Why should an android user post on an iPhone forum, particulalry if it's merely to trash iPhone. I get that android has some neat features, etc. And, if you have other Apple products but an an android phone, you still shouldn't be an iphone forum just to bash the device.
It's two different models. You have a choice. If you chose android, don't come here to play this silly nanny nanny boo boo game. You made your choice, go play with the android folks.
Most of this crap is trivial.

100% This^

What he described is the crux of the problem with this board.

1. Android user come in the iPhone board and talk about they're phone and how much better it is than the iPhone.
2. Because the majority of the people in the iPhone forum have a passion for iPhone (I know it's shocking, but stay with me) they defend the iPhone.
3. An argument begins.
4. Flames ensue, trolls get fat.

That exact thing happen on a daily bases here. Nothing happens like that in the Mac portion of this site; or any part of it (except the iPad)

Now my friends, let me ask this question:

Where did the problem start? (It's ok to reread the list if you still don't understand);)

Pmoser
Jun 30, 2011, 12:38 PM
100% This^

What he described is the crux of the problem with this board.

1. Android user come in the iPhone board and talk about they're phone and how much better it is than the iPhone.
2. Because the majority of the people in the iPhone forum have a passion for iPhone (I know it's shocking, but stay with me) they defend the iPhone.
3. An argument begins.
4. Flames ensue, trolls get fat.

That exact thing happen on a daily bases here. Nothing happens like that in the Mac portion of this site; or any part of it (except the iPad)

Now my friends, let me ask this question:

Where did the problem start? (It's ok to reread the list if you still don't understand);)

Ill give it to you. You have some great points. My opinion on why it dosen't happen in the mac or other areas is because everyone agrees that PC does some good things and Mac does some good things. It all depends what your looking for an a computer. I prefer mac its just an all around good computer and does what i like web browsing, music, videos, light games it does these all perfect. Of course if you were a gamer i would go with PC. so it all just depends what you need can't we respect others opinion and agree to disagree

walie
Jun 30, 2011, 01:30 PM
So which antivirus software do you use on your Android device? How much malware have you downloaded from the "app store" (I put it in quotes, because it can hardly be considered an app store. More like a crap store.)

You can tell a person doesn't have an intelligent reply to an argument or point when they: A) go back and repeat untrue generalizations of the platform they are attacking. B) State lame pun. C) Attack the person's grammar.

Besides, if you use the same amount of intelligence required to put on pants for the internet, you don't need antivirus software. Its a pretty easy template, look at app, read reviews, read some more reviews, download app. How hard can it be?

Pink∆Floyd
Jun 30, 2011, 01:34 PM
Because then it would be boring coming to a forum in which everybody praises the iPhone, reading the same thing everyday...

It would be pretty boring if you think about it, so I'm cool with the Android talk, it starts epic conversations

mysterioustko
Jun 30, 2011, 01:54 PM
I dunno, the way I see it is that yes, glass is more likely to break if you drop it (without a case, I've dropped my 4 several times with a cheap silicone case and it's fine). But... in general, at least the plastic Apple uses, seems to crack even if you take care of it. At least I have a chance with the glass phone of it not cracking (Seriously, I've found lately that plastic Apple products are very prone to cracking just from use. My 3G got the crack a lot of people complained about coming from the dock connector area. My Macbook got cracks right on the "palmrest" areas of the keyboard, not to mention every single person I knew with a plastic Macbook had the same exact issues, even to the point one person had his keyboard and therefore the palmrest replaced and the new one cracked too! It's so bad apple will replace that part up to 3x according to one genius I talked to. Shoot, even the back of my macbook has a small crack coming from the airvent).

So yeah, I don't have any faith in Apple + plastic (I don't seem to have this issue with other manufacturers, just Apple). So I'd rather they not use plastic as either they use crappy plastic or they make forms that tend to stress the plastic out (not sure which).

And I agree with you that phones get dropped. But at this point, I'd rather deal with a case and have a glass phone that I have a chance of it not cracking.



You know, before I got the 4 I thought this would be an issue. But honestly, I barely notice the difference holding it between it and my old 3G. I have to hold the 3G before I hold the 4 before I even notice it. It's not bad at all. And I *love* the fact it sits flat on a table. It's so much nicer.


Yeah if you're having or had cracking problems with your plastic then I don't blame you for not wanting their plastic lol. As for holding the iPhone 4, yeah you will get used to it after a while, but the thing is, it still really isn't comfortable and you notice it whenever you pick up a phone that's ergonomically designed. I know Apple wanted a pretty device, but I don't know why they couldn't make it attractive and comfortable.

radiogoober
Jun 30, 2011, 02:08 PM
You can tell a person doesn't have an intelligent reply to an argument or point when they: A) go back and repeat untrue generalizations of the platform they are attacking. B) State lame pun. C) Attack the person's grammar.

Besides, if you use the same amount of intelligence required to put on pants for the internet, you don't need antivirus software. Its a pretty easy template, look at app, read reviews, read some more reviews, download app. How hard can it be?

Your entire post attacked me and you contributed nothing to the thread.

I personally believe that Android is a completely inferior platform. It has no polish, no aesthetics, it's insecure, has tons of crapware and malware and viruses, and it's just plain ugly and unusable. I truly believe the only people who actually "like" it are wannabe techies who have a weird Apple hate.

TJi®
Jun 30, 2011, 02:16 PM
Ok. I bought the iPhone 4 in July 2010. At the time I had the Nexus One. Back then I must admit that the iPhone 4 was superior. Nexus One was not even close to the i4. I sold the Nexus One. New Android phones are coming out so fast and Apple is taking too long to launch new phones. I recently sold my iPhone 4 and bought a Galaxy S II. I could not be happier. What an improvement! Absolutely amazing. I don't miss my iPhone 4 at all. :cool:

Let's see what the new iPhone will have... :apple:

Consultant
Jun 30, 2011, 02:20 PM
It's just perception.

The truth is that nobody even joins those threads to defend iPhone because the would be stooping to their level.

No relevant conversation can be had at this time because iPhone is so far ahead on so many fundamental levels, the choice is not even in question so the majority don't bother. Everything has already been said awhile ago in threads from back in the day.

But then EVERY SINGLE android fan will chip in because it's the chip on their shoulder and they always participate, propagating the notion that you feel people don't defend it.

It's that insecurity that makes them come here when we don't go there. Obviously the iPhone is the barometer that everything is up against so they are jealous of that and our response is just to ignore it.

So therefore all the conversations of late seem one sided. I was in there defending for awhile (in the trenches) but then I got in trouble for breaking conversation rules reall fast so I'm like forget it. I'm not gonna get into it with those people because it's pointless really and we are not really allowed to put down their opinions and make them feel silly.

Exactly. Perhaps they are waiting for their laggy Android phone to reboot. Or perhaps the Android keyboard typed in the wrong URL so they ended up here.

Or perhaps shills, similar to those who promoted Palm as iPhone killer.

LSUtigers03
Jun 30, 2011, 02:35 PM
Your entire post attacked me and you contributed nothing to the thread.

I personally believe that Android is a completely inferior platform. It has no polish, no aesthetics, it's insecure, has tons of crapware and malware and viruses, and it's just plain ugly and unusable. I truly believe the only people who actually "like" it are wannabe techies who have a weird Apple hate.

I like Android and I'm not a techie. As for the Apple hate I have a MacBook Pro, 2 iPods, and an iPad so if that means I hate Apple then I have a weird way of showing it considering how much money I've paid to Apple for their products over the years. People can like Android and have no feelings whatsoever towards Apple. What if they have T-Mobile or Sprint? Android phones are the best phones on those networks so of course having one and liking it means they hate Apple. It's mind boggling how Apple fanboys think that someone liking a competitor of Apple means they hate Apple.

Reach9
Jun 30, 2011, 02:36 PM
It's pretty obvious that Android owners who troll around about the iPhone are very intimidated by the iPhone, and want to prove in any way possible, that Android is superior. This is due to their insecurity, because they don't like how popular and powerful Apple is.

I just watch and lol.

LSUtigers03
Jun 30, 2011, 02:37 PM
Ok. I bought the iPhone 4 in July 2010. At the time I had the Nexus One. Back then I must admit that the iPhone 4 was superior. Nexus One was not even close to the i4. I sold the Nexus One. New Android phones are coming out so fast and Apple is taking too long to launch new phones. I recently sold my iPhone 4 and bought a Galaxy S II. I could not be happier. What an improvement! Absolutely amazing. I don't miss my iPhone 4 at all. :cool:

Let's see what the new iPhone will have... :apple:

You're nothing more than an Apple hater.

/sarcasm

ChazUK
Jun 30, 2011, 02:43 PM
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It's just perception.

The truth is that nobody even joins those threads to defend iPhone because the would be stooping to their level.

No relevant conversation can be had at this time because iPhone is so far ahead on so many fundamental levels, the choice is not even in question so the majority don't bother. Everything has already been said awhile ago in threads from back in the day.

But then EVERY SINGLE android fan will chip in because it's the chip on their shoulder and they always participate, propagating the notion that you feel people don't defend it.

It's that insecurity that makes them come here when we don't go there. Obviously the iPhone is the barometer that everything is up against so they are jealous of that and our response is just to ignore it.

So therefore all the conversations of late seem one sided. I was in there defending for awhile (in the trenches) but then I got in trouble for breaking conversation rules reall fast so I'm like forget it. I'm not gonna get into it with those people because it's pointless really and we are not really allowed to put down their opinions and make them feel silly.

Exactly. Perhaps they are waiting for their laggy Android phone to reboot. Or perhaps the Android keyboard typed in the wrong URL so they ended up here.

Or perhaps shills, similar to those who promoted Palm as iPhone killer.

I would hope it's got less to do with shills and more to do with tech enthusiasts who use multiple platforms and enjoy intelligent discussion.

If someone who is experienced in both platforms sees someone spouting unfounded inaccuracies, are they unwelcome to correct the poster or should they leave it in fear of upsetting those that are unwilling to listen or insecure about truths/others opinions?

Of course there are trolls (on both side of the spectrum) but I've had plenty of intelligent and enjoyable discussions on this forum to prevent me from participating.

mysterioustko
Jun 30, 2011, 02:52 PM
I like Android and I'm not a techie. As for the Apple hate I have a MacBook Pro, 2 iPods, and an iPad so if that means I hate Apple then I have a weird way of showing it considering how much money I've paid to Apple for their products over the years. People can like Android and have no feelings whatsoever towards Apple. What if they have T-Mobile or Sprint? Android makes the best phones on those networks so of course having one and liking it means they hate Apple. It's mind boggling how Apple fanboys think that someone liking a competitor of Apple means they hate Apple.

Android does not make phones. Android is an OS. Too often people use the term Android as if it is a phone. The experience on Android phones differ because of the manufacturers that made them. I get what you are trying to say, but just differentiate between the OS and the manufacturer of a phone. Besides that I agree with you.

Vizin
Jun 30, 2011, 02:53 PM
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LSUtigers03
Jun 30, 2011, 02:56 PM
Android does not make phones. Android is an OS. Too often people use the term Android as if it is a phone. The experience on Android phones differ because of the manufacturers that made them. I get what you are trying to say, but just differentiate between the OS and the manufacturer of a phone. Besides that I agree with you.

Yes I knew that. What I meant was Android based phones are the best on those networks. I'm aware that they are made by HTC, Moto, Samsung, etc. I simply misspoke but thanks for the correction I corrected the post.

Jagardn
Jun 30, 2011, 03:01 PM
For android, i <3 the bigger screen, the pull-down notifications, widgets, scrollable docks (launcher pro) different launchers, live wallpapers, and the fact that i can download apps off the internet and install them, even if they arent on the market.

for me, the iPhone has become too mainstream for no good reason, since i think the form factor of iphone sucks, and honestly, some android phones are hell of a lot better.

I personally see being able to download apps off the web as a negative, malware will become a big problem just as it has under Windows PC's.

Actually Android is more Mainstream than the iPhone, and there is a reason for it being popular. It's stable and easy to use, not everyone wants 100 pages of settings on their phone, I know I don't.

solarguy17
Jun 30, 2011, 03:05 PM
here is the real reason.

There is a difference between fanboys of the iphone and fanboys of android.

the iphone fanboy: he (she) knows that iphone is better then most, if not all, android phones currently on the market. sure some have better features, 4G, bigger screen, etc, but as an overall phone, brower, media player, entertainment, the iphone is the number #1 best package. If it wasn't it wouldn't be as popular as it is. In conjunction with it working seamlessly with the number 1 music software, it will always be the number 1 individual phone.

the android fanboy: he knows that android has more options available, with our jailbreaking or rooting. these options and such work very well on some phones. He knows there is more then 1 phone available, so choice. the android user know that the only reason android exists is because iphone existed first. He can't stand this. So he rages and uses the 1 or 2 features that anyone phone might have to attempt to destroy the iphone. Common features not common to all phone that used like this, screen size, 4G, wireless tethering, AMOLED. He says haha, Evo is 4G, eat it iphone and your 3G. But what the he doesn't realize is that no 1 android equipped phone is better then iphone and no 1 android equipped phone will beat the current gen iphone as a better overall phone/OS.

Now the differance. android fanbois hate the fact that no 1 android based phone is outselling the iphone and no 1 phone is actually better the iphone when it comes to user experience and use. He can't deal, so he attacks.

The iphone fanboy on the other hand realizes that yes, the iphone does get best by certain features of other phones but understands that the iphone is a better phone. The apple fanboy does long for some of those features but no enough to switch to a substandard phone. So rather then attempt to attack, they praise the features that they wish they had or they think would be nice to have.

I am that way. I am an iphone fanboy and would love a bigger screen but only within the size of the current phone factor), I would love 4G speeds (but not at the loss of my unlimited plan), I would like the 3D pics (but not at loss of batt life), I would like an AMOLED screen (but not at the loss of the retina display), etc.

Individual android phones have good features, but no phone puts all the good features into 1 package. And that is why android phones will ultimently never be as good as the iphone.

radiogoober
Jun 30, 2011, 03:13 PM
It's pretty obvious that Android owners who troll around about the iPhone are very intimidated by the iPhone, and want to prove in any way possible, that Android is superior. This is due to their insecurity, because they don't like how popular and powerful Apple is.

I just watch and lol.

It really is strange. I would never even look up an Android forum and go troll them. I can't imagine being *that* bored and having that *little* to do in life. Really bizarre.

ctbear
Jun 30, 2011, 03:24 PM
It really is strange. I would never even look up an Android forum and go troll them. I can't imagine being *that* bored and having that *little* to do in life. Really bizarre.

Have you ever imagined that these "Android trolls" you are talking about, actually come to Macrumors because they have an iOS device? Or is it too hard for you to comprehend the fact that some people just prefer other products than your mighty iPhone?

I for one actually like iPhone 4 than most competitors right now on the market (haven't tried the SGS2, so no comment). But that does not make me defend the iPhone blindly. I will be a fool to limit myself to other options without actually getting to experience them.

ChazUK
Jun 30, 2011, 03:46 PM
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It's pretty obvious that Android owners who troll around about the iPhone are very intimidated by the iPhone, and want to prove in any way possible, that Android is superior. This is due to their insecurity, because they don't like how popular and powerful Apple is.

I just watch and lol.

It really is strange. I would never even look up an Android forum and go troll them. I can't imagine being *that* bored and having that *little* to do in life. Really bizarre.

Is it just me that reads these type of posts as thinly veiled attacks at others? They always come across as inferring they have an air of superiority over their opposition ("I would never do that, I am much better than them").

This is only heightened in my mind by the use of *stars*.

radiogoober
Jun 30, 2011, 05:36 PM
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Is it just me that reads these type of posts as thinly veiled attacks at others? They always come across as inferring they have an air of superiority over their opposition ("I would never do that, I am much better than them").

This is only heightened in my mind by the use of *stars*.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

Andy Ftw
Jun 30, 2011, 05:49 PM
The truth hurts, doesn't it?

What? What is this truth, you didn't explain anything O_o He's absolutely right.

Kariya
Jun 30, 2011, 06:28 PM
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Is it just me that reads these type of posts as thinly veiled attacks at others? They always come across as inferring they have an air of superiority over their opposition ("I would never do that, I am much better than them").

This is only heightened in my mind by the use of *stars*.

radiogoober is more often than not arrogant with his remarks.

Vegastouch
Jun 30, 2011, 09:21 PM
Android sucks.
iPhone sucks.
Xbox 360 sucks.
PS3 sucks.
PC's suck.
Mac's suck.
Chocolate ice creams sucks.
Vanilla ice cream sucks.

There. Glad we got that out of the way.

Bottom line: everyone likes to defend what they love. But the success of both the iPhone and Android is beneficial to us all! Long live competition!

Oh now you've gone too far :D

ChazUK
Jul 1, 2011, 04:44 AM
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Is it just me that reads these type of posts as thinly veiled attacks at others? They always come across as inferring they have an air of superiority over their opposition ("I would never do that, I am much better than them").

This is only heightened in my mind by the use of *stars*.

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

What truth would that be? Care to explain?

mrmacosx
Jul 1, 2011, 05:48 AM
So which antivirus software do you use on your Android device? How much malware have you downloaded from the "app store" (I put it in quotes, because it can hardly be considered an app store. More like a crap store.)

I don't run any antivirus software, and I don't have any malware.

Why? Because I don't randomly install applications from unknown/shady sources.

Do you also think that all Windows based PCs are infected with viruses because "AppleInsider" says so? :rolleyes:

Just wondering, how many Android-based devices do you currently own, and what viruses infected them? It's really quite important to have first-hand experience with an issue before criticizing it.

Also...

Your entire post attacked me and you contributed nothing to the thread.

Take your own advice next time if you don't like being attacked :rolleyes:

The truth hurts, doesn't it?

Unable to elaborate, eh? :rolleyes:

Sir Ruben
Jul 1, 2011, 10:41 AM
I tend not to argue with people over choice of phone purely because I am completely satisfied with the iPhone 4. I have just received a free handset upgrade from my network provider which happens to be a Samsung Galaxy S2. I got it for free because I told them I was thinking of leaving.

Anyway this is supposedly THE best smartphone on the market right now, and I have to say its specs are impressive. I even considered keeping it and selling the iPhone 4. However after holding it and being reminded what 'other' smartphones feel like, light, cheap, thin plasticky surfaces. Horrible. I could never swap. The iPhone by comparison feels solid, weighty, and elegant.

Also Android, I just dont like it, its messy. I flicked through a few screens before thinking to myself 'eBay!'. I wasnt even that impressed with its screen, in fact much less than I expected to be. It felt and looked big in my hand also.

So the cash I get from the S2 will pretty much pay for my iPhone 5. Plus having had the option to switch, I know know it isnt for me. The people who rave about Android obviously havent used an iPhone for any length of time, and if you want the iPhone to be as flexible as an Android there is always jailbreak.

smelly cat
Jul 1, 2011, 11:02 AM
Look at your comment. Back to mine. Back to yours NOW BACK TO MINE. Sadly,it isn't mine. But if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate crap it could LOOK like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through the comments, finding the ones that your comment could look like. Back at mine,what is it? It's a highly effective counter-troll. Look again, MY COMMENT IS NOW DIAMONDS.

Anything is possible when you cut and paste.

I'm on a computer

thegman1234
Jul 1, 2011, 11:41 AM
I don't think being a fanboy is anything to be ashamed of. You are a fan of something, you have a passion for something, nothing wrong with that; it's what makes us human.

Now Blind Fanboys, that's another story.

I agree whole heartedly. Perfect example; I'm a German Car enthusiast. I love all German Cars... from Audi to VW. But my last Jetta gave me more problems than Mexican food, so I jumped. I bought a Kia, something I never thought I'd buy. The deal was right, the warranty is great, and Kia is on fire right now. They're nice looking, fun to drive, and very reliable.

So, instead of buying another VW (because I can't afford a BMW right now lol) I did the right thing for myself and made a switch from German to Korean. To this day I'll still fanboy it up for German Cars, but I don't own one because it doesn't make sense for me to at this time.

And that's something that the blind Android fanboys need to understand. Many of the iPhone users like the iPhone because it's good for them. They like the way it works and they don't need some of the "extras" that blind Android fanboys swear the iPhone is "missing". That's why I like my iPhone. I like the UI, I like the fit and finish, and I like the seamless Mac integration. It's a good product for me.

On the other hand, blind Apple fanboys need to realize that some people just like using crappier products. :D

Pmoser
Jul 1, 2011, 12:45 PM
I agree whole heartedly. Perfect example; I'm a German Car enthusiast. I love all German Cars... from Audi to VW. But my last Jetta gave me more problems than Mexican food, so I jumped. I bought a Kia, something I never thought I'd buy. The deal was right, the warranty is great, and Kia is on fire right now. They're nice looking, fun to drive, and very reliable.

So, instead of buying another VW (because I can't afford a BMW right now lol) I did the right thing for myself and made a switch from German to Korean. To this day I'll still fanboy it up for German Cars, but I don't own one because it doesn't make sense for me to at this time.

And that's something that the blind Android fanboys need to understand. Many of the iPhone users like the iPhone because it's good for them. They like the way it works and they don't need some of the "extras" that blind Android fanboys swear the iPhone is "missing". That's why I like my iPhone. I like the UI, I like the fit and finish, and I like the seamless Mac integration. It's a good product for me.

On the other hand, blind Apple fanboys need to realize that some people just like using crappier products. :D

Good explanation except your sarcasm at the end.;)

kdarling
Jul 1, 2011, 12:45 PM
Hey, it's the Internet :)

It's full of people, mostly males, who will argue over anything at the drop of a hat, especially if they feel threatened over their choices, affiliations, or whatever else they believe they have a stake in that day.

Sadly, getting offensive or defensive over a temporary design of plastic, metal and glass, is probably the least productive and meaningful of all Internet debates.

Vegastouch
Jul 1, 2011, 01:43 PM
However after holding it and being reminded what 'other' smartphones feel like, light, cheap, thin plasticky surfaces. Horrible. I could never swap. The iPhone by comparison feels solid, weighty, and elegant.

I never understand this comment from people. Why would your phone feel more solid just because it is heavier? Its heavier because it has glass all around it that we ALL know, breaks pretty easily. It looks nice, ill always give ya that but who cares? I put cases on all my phones and did on my iPhone. I have a\ case on my Android and it feels just fine and i like that it is lighter than my iPhone is.


The people who rave about Android obviously havent used an iPhone for any length of time, and if you want the iPhone to be as flexible as an Android there is always jailbreak.

I used my iPhone for two years and it was jailbroken so even though it could do more than one that isnt jailbroken, it still couldnt do as much as Android does and that is why i really like Android and after a week, really started to love what it can do without rooting. When i learned how to root it and use custom ROM's, boot animations and shutdowns and different Modems....it just made it even better. Best of all, no iTunes.

The versatility is insanely better and that isnt a knock on the iPhone. Its a good device as well but i like versatility and Apple just dont let you have it and re-jailbreaking and waiting for compatibilty from the Dev team after updates got old.

To each their own....use what you like and be happy with it.

NebulaClash
Jul 1, 2011, 02:12 PM
Why is there so much talk about Android on a Mac discussion board?

1. Some iOS fans like their Android phones, and being used to evangelizing their Macs they now evagelize their new phones too. Which leads to . . .

2. When people buy something, they feel emotionally connected to it and want to create owner's bias in their minds by building up their choice and running down the competition. It makes them feel better about their choice. But there is also . . .

3. What kdarling said, that males online will argue about whether the sun rises in the east, if you give them half a chance. So for some this is a game designed to stir up trouble. When taken to irrational levels it becomes . . .

4. Trolls. But let's not also forget . . .

5. For thirty years Microsoft showed the way: When you are competing against another company, create "independent" PR that trashes that other company and makes your own company look good. In the early days (80s) it was "grass roots" letters to the editor of the local papers, and stories mostly planted in the tech press. When the Internet grew up, it became posting on message boards. Sometimes even getting paid to do so. Read between the lines, people.

tigress666
Jul 1, 2011, 03:23 PM
I never understand this comment from people. Why would your phone feel more solid just because it is heavier? Its heavier because it has glass all around it that we ALL know, breaks pretty easily. It looks nice, ill always give ya that but who cares? I put cases on all my phones and did on my iPhone. I have a\ case on my Android and it feels just fine and i like that it is lighter than my iPhone is.


When something feels more solid to me, it means that parts don't seem to bend or move around and there's no rattles and that things seem very solidly in place. I have no idea if the Android phones feel less solid but in general cause plastic is more flexible I could see how being a plastic phone might make something *feel* (feel, not be) less solid.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 1, 2011, 05:23 PM
I tend not to argue with people over choice of phone purely because I am completely satisfied with the iPhone 4. I have just received a free handset upgrade from my network provider which happens to be a Samsung Galaxy S2. I got it for free because I told them I was thinking of leaving.

Anyway this is supposedly THE best smartphone on the market right now, and I have to say its specs are impressive. I even considered keeping it and selling the iPhone 4. However after holding it and being reminded what 'other' smartphones feel like, light, cheap, thin plasticky surfaces. Horrible. I could never swap. The iPhone by comparison feels solid, weighty, and elegant.

Also Android, I just dont like it, its messy. I flicked through a few screens before thinking to myself 'eBay!'. I wasnt even that impressed with its screen, in fact much less than I expected to be. It felt and looked big in my hand also.

So the cash I get from the S2 will pretty much pay for my iPhone 5. Plus having had the option to switch, I know know it isnt for me. The people who rave about Android obviously havent used an iPhone for any length of time, and if you want the iPhone to be as flexible as an Android there is always jailbreak.

Checkmate x 10,000

Now you have to ask yourself, why don't you see what this man noticed?

What is the root of that moviation?

al1cre
Jul 1, 2011, 09:23 PM
Checkmate x 10,000

Now you have to ask yourself, why don't you see what this man noticed?

What is the root of that moviation?

Sigh. I have a Touch, an iPad 2, and an iPhone 4. I got the iPhone when I left T-MObile to go to Verizon. I used to have a G2 with stock Android. I used the G2 every day and I have real experience on both platforms. My hardware list should show that I'm not an Apple hater.

The iPhone is a nice device. I can't say I think it's "magic" but there are a lot of things that are (contrary to what some have suggested) completely a matter of personal preference. So? The iPhone is *in some ways* easier to use but there are some things I miss on my old phone (such as the ability to just say "WiFi on"). I miss Swype, which made the keyboard much easier to use. I miss the comfort factor of how the phone felt in my hand. There are other little things, but there's no point in going on with such features. Contrary to what's been said on this forum I had no stability problems and didn't notice much of any lag with Android. In checking several phones before making my choice I did notice that other phones had better reception on the Verizon network. The point is that there things that someone might reasonably prefer on a phone that isn't made by Apple.

Does any of that take away from the iPhone? Not at all. It's not perfect, but it may perfectly represent what you are looking for in a phone/gadget. That's fine, but please recognize that it's all still opinion.

MacJones
Jul 1, 2011, 09:48 PM
I switched from an AT&T iPhone 4 to a Verizon 4G LTE Thunderbolt so I could secure unlimited 4G data before July 7th. At first I didn't think I'd be all that happy with the Android platform but I decided to suck it up because I really wanted the 4G LTE. I've had the phone for a little while now and absolutely love it!

The 4.3" screen is amazing! Sure the pixel density isn't as high as the iPhone 4 but the amount of space you have on this screen makes up for it. Looking at my sister’s iPhone 4 gets frustrating because the screen feels so small and cramped. The 4.3" screen obviously makes the phone bigger but I haven't really noticed a difference carrying it in my pocket and I got use to the size difference quickly. HTC makes nice hardware that doesn't feel cheap at all.

Widgets and customization are fantastic. I really feel that widgets are a must on any phone I'm going to own from now on. I think Apple dropped the ball with iOS 5 not adding widgets to the home screen. I love being able to customize my phone in so many different ways instead of being stuck with a grid of icons and a wallpaper I can change. If you're into jailbreaking on iPhone like I was you'll absolutely love what you can do on Android.

The 4 buttons on the bottom of the phone add so much functionality and allow for even more screen realty with the menu and back buttons not taking up space on the screen. One button looks more aesthetically pleasing but in this case function wins over form.

Now, I'm not trolling, I still think Apple makes great hardware and has a very clean and easy to use OS. There are little things that I miss from iOS but overall Android is a better OS for me.

So there's a past iPhone user and Mac lover defending the Android OS.

Hellvalley
Jul 1, 2011, 11:20 PM
Please dont resort to calling people names.

The same can be said "blindingly ignorant" to those who think iOS is not in a class of it's own meaning you have no taste for fashion or design or aesthetics.

Every time someone tries to downplay the iOS we know you are just jealous.

Are you so blind you can't tell the difference between something elegant and something 2nd rate?

Who ARE these people? Stop saying we are fanboys. Apple is the envy of planet earth.

Act like it.


It has nothing to do with "Apple" being the "Envy of planet Earth" as you put it.

Mac has purposes, so does windows, IOS, Android, WinMo7, even zune. Everyone has something that works for them. I've used Macs and I've used Windows. Windows suites my needs. Again, I've used IOS and I've used Android... IOS is nice, but for what I need and do, Android is my preference.

It has nothing, absolutely "Nothing" to do with which OS is better than the other. Each one has different abilities and design. It's what people like.

Now, as you saying "Apple is the envy of planet Earth" you truly have huge fanboy issues.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 1, 2011, 11:26 PM
Lol, Zune ^

RichardBeer
Jul 1, 2011, 11:34 PM
Its not every post that's like this, but I do find it more often here. I lurk the most popular Android forms and I just don't see that type of behavior. Whenever someone says, "My new Android kicks iPhones ass" it seems all of them jump in and backup the op. No one ever defends the iPhone.


Such overwhelming bias is actually a negative thing. It suggests a lack of critical and balanced judgement when it comes to each respective product.
Naturally you would expect an Apple themed forum and an Android one to both attract a demographic with some bias towards whichever. However I think that the sheer lack of unconditional acceptance of Apple products and methods on this forum is a virtue. Unlike the Android forum that you mentioned; it sounds very biased. Posts on this forum infer that the users have a fair grasp of judgment when buying their products. I.e they are mac users, iOS users, iPod users, for a rational reason. Not just because they picked a camp and root for it.

Also, it's sometimes said that if you are confident in your purchase and know that your own reasons are valid; you don't need to defend your purchase. At least this goes for when you are trying to debate against someone with a definitive bias against your choice, they are unable to see objectively and thus cannot rationally judge or debate. Besides who wants to sit and listen to someone proselytize their choice to you all day? :)

mrmacosx
Jul 2, 2011, 01:29 AM
Checkmate x 10,000

Now you have to ask yourself, why don't you see what this man noticed?

What is the root of that moviation?

Because his experience does not necessarily = my/anyone else's experience?

My iPhone 4 is quite laggy, especially after loading all my media onto it. Does that mean that your iPhone 4 is laggy as well? Nope.

Lol, Zune ^

It's a great PMP. Zune software is far quicker than iTunes on Windows and the interface is very slick. Don't you think so too? :D

Oh and btw: "Apple is the envy of the planet earth". LOLLLLL That was a good joke ;)

Sir Ruben
Jul 2, 2011, 03:24 AM
I never understand this comment from people. Why would your phone feel more solid just because it is heavier? Its heavier because it has glass all around it that we ALL know, breaks pretty easily. It looks nice, ill always give ya that but who cares? I put cases on all my phones and did on my iPhone. I have a\ case on my Android and it feels just fine and i like that it is lighter than my iPhone is.

It feels more solid because it doesnt flex or creak in your hand like a plastic phone does. Yes the glass will smash if you drop it, so will the screen on your android. If you squeeze an iPhone 4 none of the casing moves and everything remains tight and solid. A feel of pure quality.

I dont know how many of you have held the SGS2, but the battery cover (which makes up most of the back of the phone) is the thinnest cheapest slither of plastic I have ever seen, flexing and creaking all round. Plus the camera, big chunky looking thing on the back of the phone with '8.0 MEGA' stamped on it. Ugly.

iPhone lovers dont be fooled by the Android fans coming on here, the grass really isnt greener on the other side. It really isnt. Theres nothing like the unity of an iPhone with IOS, the build quality, etc. Even specs mean nothing because apple design the hardware around the specific needs of IOS.

As Ive said before I even considered keeping the SGS2 and selling the iPhone 4, and dont get me wrong the SGS2 IS a very very good phone, but next to an iPhone is still feels like a cheap imitation.

mrmacosx
Jul 2, 2011, 04:15 AM
It feels more solid because it doesnt flex or creak in your hand like a plastic phone does. Yes the glass will smash if you drop it, so will the screen on your android. If you squeeze an iPhone 4 none of the casing moves and everything remains tight and solid. A feel of pure quality.

I dont know how many of you have held the SGS2, but the battery cover (which makes up most of the back of the phone) is the thinnest cheapest slither of plastic I have ever seen, flexing and creaking all round. Plus the camera, big chunky looking thing on the back of the phone with '8.0 MEGA' stamped on it. Ugly.

iPhone lovers dont be fooled by the Android fans coming on here, the grass really isnt greener on the other side. It really isnt. Theres nothing like the unity of an iPhone with IOS, the build quality, etc. Even specs mean nothing because apple design the hardware around the specific needs of IOS.

As Ive said before I even considered keeping the SGS2 and selling the iPhone 4, and dont get me wrong the SGS2 IS a very very good phone, but next to an iPhone is still feels like a cheap imitation.

If it creaks and flexes then you either haven't put the battery cover on properly (there are quite a few snaps) or you have a defective unit.

Re: the look- it's all opinions. Next to both my iPhone 4s the GSII looks and feels much better [imo].

The reason why the glass won't crack as easily on a normal phone with a glass touchscreen is because the screen's glass isn't the impact surface when the phone drops. If you drop your iPhone on any corner the glass will the bit hitting the floor/concrete/etc while with a normal phone it's the plastic body which will absorb some of the impact, rather than directly being transferred to the glass.

Not that you'd understand but I still feel compelled to explain.

belle93
Jul 2, 2011, 04:45 AM
I do see your point, and i totally agree with that statement.

I'd say that the reason why android users has this united feeling, is because of how major Android is getting.

Android is an open-sourced OS, which means that it can be distributed to whoever desires the OS in their mobile devices. This is an huge advantage compaired to iOS eg. as it allows them to build a big variety of devices from different companies, which will therefore overtake Apple's devices in therms of hardware specs.

As it is right now, Android phones has the best specs - hands down. I believe the iPhone users has admitted this a long time ago. i too admit it, but i still choose to see iPhone as the best phone because of the OS.

I've been playing around with android, and the OS there seems abit too messy, when you've played with the simple and elegant iOS (especially iOS5). Therefore i am convinced that iPhone is my kinda phone, even though Android (in theory) has the better possibilities, but lacks (in some people's mind) a better OS to make it lucrative

So everytime i go to an homepage, where i for example can compare an insanely good Android phone to an iPhone 4, the Android phone always wins. But that is just HW-related. You really gotta experience both, to choose your way.

So i believe that Android has earned respect among the iPhone users.

Regards,
Belle, Denmark.

Sir Ruben
Jul 2, 2011, 05:07 AM
Not that you'd understand but I still feel compelled to explain.

Strange comment to make, why would I not understand as I currently have both these handsets?

I fully agree that the iPhone is prone to smashing if dropped on concrete, or tiles. However dont kid yourself that dropping the SGS2 on concrete wont smash, scratch, or dent the phone. Pretty much any electrical device dropped on concrete will suffer damage. Thats a fact. Actually its easier to get a replacement back for the iPhone, how do you replace the plastic casing of the SGS2 if it gets cracked or dented??

And no my SGS2 is NOT defective, any phone constructed of lightweight plastics will creak and flex when gripped and your SGS2 is no different, EVERY plastic phone I have ever held does the same. Why? Because thats the nature of plastic. Another fact for you ;)

decafjava
Jul 2, 2011, 05:37 AM
I switched from an AT&T iPhone 4 to a Verizon 4G LTE Thunderbolt so I could secure unlimited 4G data before July 7th. At first I didn't think I'd be all that happy with the Android platform but I decided to suck it up because I really wanted the 4G LTE. I've had the phone for a little while now and absolutely love it!

The 4.3" screen is amazing! Sure the pixel density isn't as high as the iPhone 4 but the amount of space you have on this screen makes up for it. Looking at my sister’s iPhone 4 gets frustrating because the screen feels so small and cramped. The 4.3" screen obviously makes the phone bigger but I haven't really noticed a difference carrying it in my pocket and I got use to the size difference quickly. HTC makes nice hardware that doesn't feel cheap at all.

Widgets and customization are fantastic. I really feel that widgets are a must on any phone I'm going to own from now on. I think Apple dropped the ball with iOS 5 not adding widgets to the home screen. I love being able to customize my phone in so many different ways instead of being stuck with a grid of icons and a wallpaper I can change. If you're into jailbreaking on iPhone like I was you'll absolutely love what you can do on Android.

The 4 buttons on the bottom of the phone add so much functionality and allow for even more screen realty with the menu and back buttons not taking up space on the screen. One button looks more aesthetically pleasing but in this case function wins over form.

Now, I'm not trolling, I still think Apple makes great hardware and has a very clean and easy to use OS. There are little things that I miss from iOS but overall Android is a better OS for me.

So there's a past iPhone user and Mac lover defending the Android OS.

Good post, but I still don't get people who switch from one platform to another so easily? I would not want to lose my apps even the free ones or the smartplaylists I set up through itunes. Sure it would be the same if I had an android based phone.

mrmacosx
Jul 2, 2011, 08:07 AM
Strange comment to make, why would I not understand as I currently have both these handsets?

Just experience with some people. Glad to see you're different.

I fully agree that the iPhone is prone to smashing if dropped on concrete, or tiles. However dont kid yourself that dropping the SGS2 on concrete wont smash, scratch, or dent the phone.

I dropped one of my iPhone 4s on concrete once. Had a bumper on. Back glass was smashed and front was cracked. $200 to replace it.

I'm usually quite careful with my phones, but the GSII without a case is quite slippery and I've already dropped it multiple times, on hardwood floors (both facedown and on the top left corner), carpet and (by a friend) onto concrete (right on the bottom left corner). Nary a scuff on the screen, just some marks on the corner. Probably going to get its housing replaced soon, but no major nor minor damage that affects usability.

Pretty much any electrical device dropped on concrete will suffer damage. Thats a fact.

See above. Have just dropped my Sensation flat on its beveled glass twice today, no scuffs or anything.

Actually its easier to get a replacement back for the iPhone,

Replacement front glass isn't easy at all. Had to go to Apple and replace the entire phone.

how do you replace the plastic casing of the SGS2 if it gets cracked or dented??

Like I said above, I'm probably going to get my housing replaced soon. Samsung says they'll do it and it'll take a day or two.

I would order a housing online, but the stores I've found are either only selling "OEM" housings (which, in my experience, are usually just fakes) or OOS. Here (http://www.globaldirectparts.com/Samsung-Galaxy-S-II-i9100-Housing-p/smsng6100190.htm)'s one such store, just to show you that yes you can actually buy a housing for the i9100.

How do you take it apart? Remove back cover, unscrew bits and pieces and pull a bit. Same as every other phone, these are put together on an assembly line, not churned out as one piece from a magic machine or something.

And no my SGS2 is NOT defective, any phone constructed of lightweight plastics will creak and flex when gripped and your SGS2 is no different, EVERY plastic phone I have ever held does the same. Why? Because thats the nature of plastic. Another fact for you ;)

No need for facts, I have my GSII right in front of me. No matter how/where I grip it there are no creaks or flexing.

Why don't you ask and see if anyone else has this issue on xda? Or maybe you can post how to replicate your issue, then I'll see if I can replicate it.

My 3GS is also made of plastic, and that thing doesn't creak either.

So yeah, I'm pretty sure your GSII is defective.

LSUtigers03
Jul 2, 2011, 08:44 AM
Good post, but I still don't get people who switch from one platform to another so easily? I would not want to lose my apps even the free ones or the smartplaylists I set up through itunes. Sure it would be the same if I had an android based phone.

You can use your iTunes playlists with Android and Windows Phone. I have an iPad to use the iOS apps I've bought over the years. Making the switch isn't really that hard.

stevensr123
Jul 2, 2011, 08:44 AM
i also have the samsung galaxy s2 and have no probably with the quality of materials the phone is made of. there is no creaking or flexing. in fact i feel more confident in the design of this phone compared to the iphone 4 which is made of extremely weak glass. one drop (the only drop i had in the year of owning it) and the thing ****in broke on me.

i also like the look and feeling of this phone, i love the looks of the iphone 4 even better, however the samsung looks beautiful, feels nicer in the hand, feel more tougher and rigid plus im confident one drop won't brake the phone's glass considering the plastic can probably absorb the impact greater than glass plus the screen is made of the tough gorilla glass.

TheUndertow
Jul 2, 2011, 08:49 AM
No offense to anyone, but I find it interesting that whenever someone posts something along the lines of "iPhone is great! Android sucks!" theirs more people jumping in and trying to defend Android. Anyone who tries to speak highly of the iPhone gets either flamed or down voted.

Its not every post that's like this, but I do find it more often here. I lurk the most popular Android forms and I just don't see that type of behavior. Whenever someone says, "My new Android kicks iPhones ass" it seems all of them jump in and backup the op. No one ever defends the iPhone.

And its not just limited to this forum. It happens in social environments. Almost every time I am at any social gathering and the discussion of Android vs iPhone comes up, I notice the Android fans will immediately unite and argue for the Android. While iPhone fans are timid and will sometimes "agree" with the Android fans or won't say anything in defense for the iPhone.

This week, Google said they are activating 500k Android phones per day. I happen to catch this news on a very popular Android news site. The 500k activations weren't surprising, but the amount of true supporters for Android voicing their love for Android in the comments. Most of them were flames towards iPhone. But whenever I see positive news for iPhone on a popular Apple site (such as MacRumors, AppleInsider, AppleOwnz, 9to5mac.. etc..) no one comments positively or comment at all. No wonder their is 500k activations per day because most of the Android fans I have met are absolutely passionate about the Android. I use to see this with iPhone fans, but not so much anymore, even on internet forums or other mediums (magazines, newspaper articles.. etc..)

I just want to hear some explanations why that is. iPhone fans should be more united like the Android fans. I just find some of the self-loathing of the iPhone to be a disturbing and increasing trend.

Your thoughts?

There are all different kinds of people.

The kind that hit the forums "care" more than the ambivalent and tend to be more vocal of their opinions.

From there there are different kinds...

Some that defend Android and/ore iPhone/Android because they have either/or/both and...

Like to support the things they own (hard to bash something you already $upported) unless...

They fall into the camp that likes to buy things to bash, or...

They fall into the camp the can be objective and not fall into the respective fanboi's camps due to maturity/enlightenment/more important things to fight about.

Sir Ruben
Jul 2, 2011, 09:35 AM
Why don't you ask and see if anyone else has this issue on xda? Or maybe you can post how to replicate your issue, then I'll see if I can replicate it.

Im not keeping the handset because even though I wouldnt mind the best of both worlds, the SGS2 is selling on eBay for a good sum at the moment. The idea is that I sell the SGS2 now, and then the iPhone 4 when I purchase the iPhone 5. That's quite a wedge of money from the sale of both of them and I stay within the IOS ecosystem that I enjoy.

Besides if I keep the SGS2 I cant hot swap the sim card between the two of them either due to the iPhone 4 using a microsim (although I could potentially use a microsim adapter). Anyway Id feel a bit over indulgent using the 2 leading handsets on the market 'just because' LOL.

Vegastouch
Jul 2, 2011, 11:12 AM
If it creaks and flexes then you either haven't put the battery cover on properly (there are quite a few snaps) or you have a defective unit.

Re: the look- it's all opinions. Next to both my iPhone 4s the GSII looks and feels much better [imo].

The reason why the glass won't crack as easily on a normal phone with a glass touchscreen is because the screen's glass isn't the impact surface when the phone drops. If you drop your iPhone on any corner the glass will the bit hitting the floor/concrete/etc while with a normal phone it's the plastic body which will absorb some of the impact, rather than directly being transferred to the glass.

Not that you'd understand but I still feel compelled to explain.

Exactly! Ive dropped my phone a handful of times and no issues at all. Again as i said, i always put on a case on every phone so though i agree the iPhone looks great, its going to get covered up anyways and then im stuck with the same front as the first iPhone had over 4 years ago. Meanwhile, i can take my back cover off and change my battery and switch different micro cards in it if i want.
Im not knocking the iPhone as the guy above you stated, im just saying i dont get the "feels cheap" comments because im sure most use some sort of case on their phone and imo that bumper is a joke.

And remember, the last two iPhones had a plastic back that many were complaining about getting stress cracks so please stop with the elegant comments. It looked nice but it was plastic too!!! The first one (the best built one imo) had aluminum and was very slippery. I had to get a case on that one pronto!

mrmacosx
Jul 2, 2011, 11:28 AM
i also have the samsung galaxy s2 and have no probably with the quality of materials the phone is made of. there is no creaking or flexing. in fact i feel more confident in the design of this phone compared to the iphone 4 which is made of extremely weak glass. one drop (the only drop i had in the year of owning it) and the thing ****in broke on me.

i also like the look and feeling of this phone, i love the looks of the iphone 4 even better, however the samsung looks beautiful, feels nicer in the hand, feel more tougher and rigid plus im confident one drop won't brake the phone's glass considering the plastic can probably absorb the impact greater than glass plus the screen is made of the tough gorilla glass.

The plastic design does make for a really light phone. Several people who've picked up my phone have asked me if it was real or a mockup. Then they ask if I have my battery in :p

Im not keeping the handset because even though I wouldnt mind the best of both worlds, the SGS2 is selling on eBay for a good sum at the moment. The idea is that I sell the SGS2 now, and then the iPhone 4 when I purchase the iPhone 5. That's quite a wedge of money from the sale of both of them and I stay within the IOS ecosystem that I enjoy.

Besides if I keep the SGS2 I cant hot swap the sim card between the two of them either due to the iPhone 4 using a microsim (although I could potentially use a microsim adapter). Anyway Id feel a bit over indulgent using the 2 leading handsets on the market 'just because' LOL.

Whatever floats your boat ;) Personally I have two lines on my account, and the microSIM in my 32GB iPhone has its number redirected to my GSII, and my 16GB 4 is used as an iPod in the car. Works great for me lol.

I'm still interested in your 'creaking' and 'flexing' handset- can you elaborate on what you have to do to replicate this?


Exactly! Ive dropped my phone a handful of times and no issues at all. Again as i said, i always put on a case on every phone so though i agree the iPhone looks great, its going to get covered up anyways and then im stuck with the same front as the first iPhone had over 4 years ago.

Part of the reason I decided to try something else after my 3G- I wanted something that looked and operated differently.
Still bought all the subsequent iPhone models but Android is just better for me imo.

Im not knocking the iPhone as the guy above you stated, im just saying i dont get the "feels cheap" comments because im sure most use some sort of case on their phone and imo that bumper is a joke.

The bumper looks nice I guess but at the end of the day it won't really protect your phone. Same as my iPad's official case- the little clip on the back actually dented the back after I put the iPad in the case inside my bag :( How's that for design?

And remember, the last two iPhones had a plastic back that many were complaining about getting stress cracks so please stop with the elegant comments. It looked nice but it was plastic too!!!

The point was that it didn't creak or flex, disproving his point that all plastic phones creak and flex. And my 3GS was one of them cracking along the dock connector and headphone jack- don't think I was the one saying it was elegant?

The first one (the best built one imo) had aluminum and was very slippery. I had to get a case on that one pronto!

Oh yeah I loved my 1st gen iPhone. Shame the alu dented and created tiny pit marks on the corners even with the slightest hit or drop.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 2, 2011, 12:33 PM
This one dancer I know has a cricket Android handset. A cricket phone with data running android (of course the screen looks dull compared to mine, don't know what model it was).

Keep in mind this is a ratty cricket model.

She asked me what I was doing, I said I'm online arguing with people that Android is not as good as iPhone.

And she responded with, "but it is"

THATS when I realized it's all psychological underdog insecurity propaganda out there in the streets.

It's time to launch an "I'm an iPhone, and I'm an Android." commercial campaign.

"oh hi Android, im just playing infinity blade, it's got ps3 graphics, what are you doing? (charging my phone lol)"

Or whatever

DeathChill
Jul 2, 2011, 12:41 PM
I don't get what the anecdotes about dropping your phone prove. I've dropped my iPhone 4 numerous times (well, much of it is my two year old) and don't have a single mark on it. Does that mean that it is indestructible? Hell no. The same goes for any other phone.

Vegastouch
Jul 2, 2011, 01:05 PM
The point was that it didn't creak or flex, disproving his point that all plastic phones creak and flex. And my 3GS was one of them cracking along the dock connector and headphone jack- don't think I was the one saying it was elegant

No you werent. I was speaking in general where someone a few posts up said it was elegant as many have said. And again, it looks nice but it isnt any better built than the others. The only REAL thing i like about the iPhone besides that its a good phone is the support. As long as Apple lets their stores swap out broken phones due to owner negligence, that is great for customers.

I mean something under warranty is one thing, but people bust them up themselves by being negligent and putting the phone in their pocket with their keys and such and still get new screens. Gotta love that. Have to love a company that rewards the non thinking man.

mrmacosx
Jul 2, 2011, 01:16 PM
This one dancer I know has a cricket Android handset. A cricket phone with data running android (of course the screen looks dull compared to mine, don't know what model it was).

Keep in mind this is a ratty cricket model.

She asked me what I was doing, I said I'm online arguing with people that Android is not as good as iPhone.

And she responded with, "but it is"

Cool story bro?

THATS when I realized it's all psychological underdog insecurity propaganda out there in the streets.

It's time to launch an "I'm an iPhone, and I'm an Android." commercial campaign.

"oh hi Android, im just playing infinity blade, it's got ps3 graphics, what are you doing? (charging my phone lol)"

Or whatever

Oh hi iPhone, I'm just sideloading apps, customizing my homescreen with functional widgets and playing Riptide GP- it's got xbox 360 graphics. What are you doing? (rearranging my icons lol)

I guess that could work both ways ;)

No you werent. I was speaking in general where someone a few posts up said it was elegant as many have said. And again, it looks nice but it isnt any better built than the others. The only REAL thing i like about the iPhone besides that its a good phone is the support. As long as Apple lets their stores swap out broken phones due to owner negligence, that is great for customers.

I mean something under warranty is one thing, but people bust them up themselves by being negligent and putting the phone in their pocket with their keys and such and still get new screens. Gotta love that. Have to love a company that rewards the non thinking man.

Seems they only do that in the US though. I paid $200 to replace my shattered iPhone (not that I was expecting it to be free or anything).
On the other hand, they told me that my mushy home button that would only work 1 out of 5 times was user damage, and that I would have to pay to get it fixed. I left. Couple months later I went back to get my MBP's glass trackpad replaced (non-responsive to clicks most of the time) and I asked them if they would repair the mushy home button- apparently it's 'in-spec' to have a button that only works occasionally.

Sigh. I wish they had techs who would replace the phone for any issue I have here.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 2, 2011, 02:01 PM
Oh hi iPhone, I'm just sideloading apps, customizing my homescreen with functional widgets and playing Riptide GP- it's got xbox 360 graphics. What are you doing? (rearranging my icons lol)



Well thats why I had said youre charging your battery. lol lol lol

you gotta be more careful before you dig yourself into a trap. ;)

Lol I dont even have to do anything against these people, I just give them rope and let them hang themselves.. then just Kick the chair from underneath them... wow.

I also think its appropriate you used XB360 to my PS3 because its indicative of the subtle differences. PS3 has the best exclusive games with better graphics than 360 (not on titles that are multi-platform but the exclusives at least :) ) it has the better build quality (no 60% chance of Red Ring) and it also has better hardware that plays bluray etc.

The elegant choice is PS3 but despite that, the $150 cheaper 360 is more mainstream in a blue collar way.

Finally, Riptide is more comparable to the Real Racings and the Need for Speeds and kart games that all trump that little turd-gem. I said Infinity Blade. Riptide is not quite as revolutionary is it?

And lets not even bring up the Tiny wings situation.

How many years or months did it take them, to get Angry Birds? Cut the rope JUST came out?! I beat that game like a year ago.

And how will this bode for the future? How long will everything be 2nd rate? 2nd Place?

nateo200
Jul 2, 2011, 02:07 PM
Because I have a spine. Albeit currently one in pain maybe that has to do with something...:eek: partially kidding. No but seriously its a respectable OS. Just because your on one "side" or better yet you own one doesn't mean your automatically against the other....:(:(:rolleyes::apple:

Rodimus Prime
Jul 2, 2011, 02:44 PM
Bobby your post is a great example of why people defend Android here because it is so full of miss information.

Well thats why I had said youre charging your battery. lol lol lol

you gotta be more careful before you dig yourself into a trap. ;)

Umm going to tell you this the widgets do not suck down the battery or drain it quickly. The larger screens suck down juice like no tomorrow but when you do a battery usage break down of the phone widgets generally do not even make it up to 1% of the usage. The screen, cell idle, and browsers account for around 80% of my phones power usage. Not that any of those 3 should surprise any one. I am willing to bet on most iPhones it would be the same break down accounting for the power drain.

Lol I dont even have to do anything against these people, I just give them rope and let them hang themselves.. then just Kick the chair from underneath them... wow.

I also think its appropriate you used XB360 to my PS3 because its indicative of the subtle differences. PS3 has the best exclusive games with better graphics than 360 (not on titles that are multi-platform but the exclusives at least :) ) it has the better build quality (no 60% chance of Red Ring) and it also has better hardware that plays bluray etc.

The elegant choice is PS3 but despite that, the $150 cheaper 360 is more mainstream in a blue collar way.

Finally, Riptide is more comparable to the Real Racings and the Need for Speeds and kart games that all trump that little turd-gem. I said Infinity Blade. Riptide is not quite as revolutionary is it?

And lets not even bring up the Tiny wings situation.

How many years or months did it take them, to get Angry Birds? Cut the rope JUST came out?! I beat that game like a year ago.

And how will this bode for the future? How long will everything be 2nd rate? 2nd Place?

And yet Android has many great games. We have a higher res version of Fruit ninja. A higher res version of Galaxy on Fire. Rip tide. Dungeon Defenders is a great game.

Bug you focus on games. I could go on and point out the many different keyboard choices that Android phone has. Swype a lot of people love. I personally use Swiftkey X as my keyboard which auto correct puts the iPhones to shame.

Do not like the stock SMS clinet well get a different one. I use Go SMS. (Chomps SMS and Handsents are 2 other popular ones) email same way. K9 a lot of people use.

Either way you post is a classical example of why people defend android phone here because there is so much miss information in it.

mrmacosx
Jul 2, 2011, 02:49 PM
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Oh hi iPhone, I'm just sideloading apps, customizing my homescreen with functional widgets and playing Riptide GP- it's got xbox 360 graphics. What are you doing? (rearranging my icons lol)



Well thats why I had said youre charging your battery. lol lol lol

you gotta be more careful before you dig yourself into a trap. ;)

Lol I dont even have to do anything against these people, I just give them rope and let them hang themselves.. then just Kick the chair from underneath them... wow.

I also think its appropriate you used XB360 to my PS3 because its indicative of the subtle differences. PS3 has the best exclusive games with better graphics than 360 (not on titles that are multi-platform but the exclusives at least :) ) it has the better build quality (no 60% chance of Red Ring) and it also has better hardware that plays bluray etc.

The elegant choice is PS3 but despite that, the $150 cheaper 360 is more mainstream in a blue collar way.

Finally, Riptide is more comparable to the Real Racings and the Need for Speeds and kart games that all trump that little turd-gem. I said Infinity Blade. Riptide is not quite as revolutionary is it?

And lets not even bring up the Tiny wings situation.

How many years or months did it take them, to get Angry Birds? Cut the rope JUST came out?! I beat that game like a year ago.

And how will this bode for the future? How long will everything be 2nd rate? 2nd Place?

So playing video games is all you can do on the iPhone?

Hanging yourself ftw. (and "...wow.")

As the poster above me said, the screen accounts for the majority of power usage. That said, even if widgets did use more juice I wouldn't mind- information at a glance over a sea of icons any day. Let me also say here that you would have to launch an app to get the same amount of info I can get from my widgets, which I bet uses up more power than all my widgets do combined.

By the way, Infinity Blade is quite a repetitive game. If you want to talk about good games with great graphics, perhaps Dungeon Defenders is a better comparison, which is available on both iOS and Android. Looks far better on my GSII than my iPhone imo simply due to the larger screen and more vibrant colors.

Oh and normally I'm a PS3 fanboy but your post was nothing short of weird.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 2, 2011, 04:02 PM
As these discussions happen keep in mind that all these comparisons are apples to apples comparisons that allows the merits of each OS to have a fair vs competition.

Dont ever forget that there is a lot more that makes the iPhone the #1 consumer choice.

If we are comparing from the perspective of the consumer, the iPhone packs on way more pros if we take it to the macro level.

These comparisons are just exhibition matches.

It takes way more than winning any 1 category, to topple this eco-system. But thats the sad thing, even with other aspects handicapped on the Apple side by not taking into account the elements, Android cant even reach even ground on that pretend level because it cant overcome that brick wall in its way called "smoothness"

There is nothing on earth that compares to the Apple eco-system and these discussions are just for the sake of semantics, thats why when you guys try to use phrases that imply we are on equal footing and that we are being biased for thinking we are better, our reaction can only be that you are misrepresenting the reality of the way things are in 2011.

When the facts change, I will be glad to update my attitude accordingly but until then:

iPhone 4 > all.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 2, 2011, 04:10 PM
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So playing video games is all you can do on the iPhone?

Hanging yourself ftw. (and "...wow.")

As the poster above me said, the screen accounts for the majority of power usage. That said, even if widgets did use more juice I wouldn't mind- information at a glance over a sea of icons any day. Let me also say here that you would have to launch an app to get the same amount of info I can get from my widgets, which I bet uses up more power than all my widgets do combined.

By the way, Infinity Blade is quite a repetitive game. If you want to talk about good games with great graphics, perhaps Dungeon Defenders is a better comparison, which is available on both iOS and Android. Looks far better on my GSII than my iPhone imo simply due to the larger screen and more vibrant colors.

Oh and normally I'm a PS3 fanboy but your post was nothing short of weird.

What was weird about the PS3 analogy? God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, there is no equivalent critically or graphically on 360. All of those titles have graphics that are a notch above because they take advantage of the superior hardware. Everybody knows the XB360 was notorious for breaking and laser burning disks and it was like a critical problem for years to the point where low key there should have been a recall because of the horrible way they designed their hardware and the way the placed the drive to make it prone to laser burn disks. On the other hand, I still have my original 60GB PS3 working flawlessly.

So I dont see what was weird. Sony is to Apple what Microsoft is to Android.

sinsin07
Jul 2, 2011, 04:37 PM
From the RIM open letter:

"We simply have to admit that Apple is nailing this and it is one of the reasons they have people lining up overnight at stores around the world, and products sold out for months. These people aren’t hypnotized zombies, they simply love beautifully designed products that are user centric and work how they are supposed to work. Android has a major weakness — it will always lack the simplicity and elegance that comes with end-to-end device software, middleware and hardware control."

"Developing for BlackBerry is painful, and despite what you’ve been told, things haven’t really changed that much since Jamie Murai’s letter. Our SDK / development platform is like a rundown 1990′s Ford Explorer. Then there’s Apple, which has a shiny new BMW M3… just such a pleasure to drive. Developers want and need quality tools."

"25 million iPad users don’t care that it doesn’t have Flash or true multitasking, so why make that a focus in our campaigns? I’ll answer that for you: it’s because that’s all that differentiates our products and its lazy marketing. I’ve never seen someone buy product B because it has something product A doesn’t have. People buy product B because they want and lust after product B."

"Also an important note regarding our marketing: a product’s technical superiority does not equal desire, and therefore sales… How many Linux laptops are getting sold? How did Betamax go? My mother wants an iPad and iPhone because it is simple and appeals to her. Powerful multitasking doesn’t."

People buy into a brand / product not just because of features, but because of what it stands for and what it delivers to them. People don’t buy “what you do,” people buy “why you do it.”

We missed not boldly reacting to the threat of iPhone when we saw it in January over four years ago. We laughed and said they are trying to put a computer on a phone, that it won’t work.

As you can see from the disillusioned RIM employee, Apple is the standard to which the rest are compared. Look anywhere on the net, you will find more comparison to IOS vs Android vs RIM vs Webos vs WinMo7. Nobody really cares about Android vs RIM Vs Webos.

You would think that with the lack of flash on the iPad, and the fact that we have flash enabled Android tablets, that the iPad would be getting killed in the market. Well that didn't happen. Apparently the flash argument is not an argument at all. Product sold is what matters.

Apple quality is why you have people coming into the US during new ipad/iphone launches to buy up product and sell on the black market back in the Asian markets. This is why you have lines around the block for Apple iPhone/iPad launches. Nobody really is that over enthused about a Android launch, it just a dime a dozen product.

wordoflife
Jul 2, 2011, 04:45 PM
Wow, Bobby is so incredibly wrong.
You're like a superiphonefanboyextremist.

I like iOS a lot ... but you're just wrong. Wow.

This thread kind of reminds me of this (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tjRbp1akCT0/R_LOVcqpHpI/AAAAAAAAAAw/I20NcsEppKg/s400/xkcd-SomeoneWrongOnInternet.png) picture
Not going to show the image because I'll probably get banned :rolleyes:

mysterioustko
Jul 2, 2011, 04:54 PM
As these discussions happen keep in mind that all these comparisons are apples to apples comparisons that allows the merits of each OS to have a fair vs competition.

Dont ever forget that there is a lot more that makes the iPhone the #1 consumer choice.

If we are comparing from the perspective of the consumer, the iPhone packs on way more pros if we take it to the macro level.

These comparisons are just exhibition matches.

It takes way more than winning any 1 category, to topple this eco-system. But thats the sad thing, even with other aspects handicapped on the Apple side by not taking into account the elements, Android cant even reach even ground on that pretend level because it cant overcome that brick wall in its way called "smoothness"

There is nothing on earth that compares to the Apple eco-system and these discussions are just for the sake of semantics, thats why when you guys try to use phrases that imply we are on equal footing and that we are being biased for thinking we are better, our reaction can only be that you are misrepresenting the reality of the way things are in 2011.

When the facts change, I will be glad to update my attitude accordingly but until then:

iPhone 4 > all.

As stated earlier in this discussion the same things that you call strengths some people call weaknesses. As for smoothness, what you seem to be failing to realize is that ANDROID IS NOT A PHONE, ANDROID IS AN OS that is on different phones. Every android phone does not lag, and every android phone is not smooth. I gave you an example of a phone that definitely gives the iphone 4 a run for it's money in the Nexus S. If you want to make a comparison don't compare a phone to an OS, compare a phone to a phone. We were having a discussion earlier where you we were talking weakness and strengths, but didn't get any further responses lol. But yeah believe it or not, there are phones that are on par or beyond the iPhone 4. What you have to understand is the iphone wasn't designed to be a world beater. It was designed to be a phone with general smartphone features and a simplified interface that wouldn't take much savvy to operate. For what it was designed to do, it does well (hence the smoothness, it only really does one function at a time..so it should be smooth), however it is not the end all be all of phones..nor was it designed to be.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 2, 2011, 05:05 PM
Wow, Bobby is so incredibly wrong.
You're like a superiphonefanboyextremist.

I like iOS a lot ... but you're just wrong. Wow.

This thread kind of reminds me of this (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tjRbp1akCT0/R_LOVcqpHpI/AAAAAAAAAAw/I20NcsEppKg/s400/xkcd-SomeoneWrongOnInternet.png) picture
Not going to show the image because I'll probably get banned :rolleyes:

Lol I saved that picture by the way its amazingly hilarious.

I think you should keep in perspective that the level of detail I go into is not indicative of how seriously I take it.

Have you ever played a game, and there was no real point to it, but you still played and completed optional objectives?

Its kind of like that. I am never that truly attached to what I say, which allows me to be more relatable raw and honest with people because there is no real point to anything. I mean 80 years from now we will all be gone.

The level of immersion we get to is pointless, but not more pointless than anything else in existence. Arguably, nothing is more or less significant than what we are talking about.

It reaches a level of arbitrary-ness that borders on art.

sinsin07
Jul 2, 2011, 05:07 PM
As these discussions happen keep in mind that all these comparisons are apples to apples comparisons that allows the merits of each OS to have a fair vs competition.

Dont ever forget that there is a lot more that makes the iPhone the #1 consumer choice.

If we are comparing from the perspective of the consumer, the iPhone packs on way more pros if we take it to the macro level.

These comparisons are just exhibition matches.

It takes way more than winning any 1 category, to topple this eco-system. But thats the sad thing, even with other aspects handicapped on the Apple side by not taking into account the elements, Android cant even reach even ground on that pretend level because it cant overcome that brick wall in its way called "smoothness"

There is nothing on earth that compares to the Apple eco-system and these discussions are just for the sake of semantics, thats why when you guys try to use phrases that imply we are on equal footing and that we are being biased for thinking we are better, our reaction can only be that you are misrepresenting the reality of the way things are in 2011.

When the facts change, I will be glad to update my attitude accordingly but until then:

iPhone 4 > all.

Well said. I do like Android hardware in some aspects. However things like this is are a problem:
Just How Many Android Tablet Apps Are There? (http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/mystery-how-many-android-tablet-apps/?pagemode=print)

Too much mystery in the Android world.

1: What apps run on which devices
2: Which devices run which OS
3: Which devices will get the latest OS updates
4: Which devices will not get the latest updates
5: Which carrier's are slow with OS updates
6: Which carrier's over-layed their own interface, and what the ramifications are.
7: Which apps are Honeycomb optimized

When you buy an Android device, you know what you have in your hand at the moment, but you are not always sure what you will have in the future. Even Google recognizes this, a quick search yields these results:
Google to tighten control on android

Bobby Corwen
Jul 2, 2011, 05:21 PM
As stated earlier in this discussion the same things that you call strengths some people call weaknesses. As for smoothness, what you seem to be failing to realize is that ANDROID IS NOT A PHONE, ANDROID IS AN OS that is on different phones. Every android phone does not lag, and every android phone is not smooth. I gave you an example of a phone that definitely gives the iphone 4 a run for it's money in the Nexus S. If you want to make a comparison don't compare a phone to an OS, compare a phone to a phone. We were having a discussion earlier where you we were talking weakness and strengths, but didn't get any further responses lol. But yeah believe it or not, there are phones that are on par or beyond the iPhone 4. What you have to understand is the iphone wasn't designed to be a world beater. It was designed to be a phone with general smartphone features and a simplified interface that wouldn't take much savvy to operate. For what it was designed to do, it does well (hence the smoothness, it only really does one function at a time..so it should be smooth), however it is not the end all be all of phones..nor was it designed to be.

If someone calls the things I call strengths as weaknesses than they are probably biased.

If someone has less of a capacity to appreciate the merits of something, it does not make them equal to me.

If someone doesn't see the genius in something it doesn't mean its less genius.

Not everyone is equipped or has enough marketing perspective to be a reviewer. You can share your opinions, but they are hardly well rounded, developed, and mass-appealing.

It was designed to be a world beater because it invented a whole new paradigm, and even its imitators, though they have a working example of perfection (as far as response and behavior) they still cant, after 5 years, isolate exactly what consumers love about the product and reproduce it.

If and when they do, I will let you know.

GoKyu
Jul 2, 2011, 05:26 PM
I agree with the concept, just the wording that's a bit of an issue. I view people who are very passionate about a product as enthusiasts, such as myself. They are eager to have intelligent conversations without the insults and name calling that are part and parcel of every fanboys negative attitude and eagerness to attack.

In my postings I never call people names or assault their favorite device. There is no perfect phone and that's the good news. If there were it would be awfully boring.

It's their outlandish claims, usually made from a position of ignorance (or outright desire to insult), not first hand knowledge and experience that sets them apart from true enthusiasts that appreciate the different devices with there own set of pros and cons.

+1

I consider myself an Apple enthusiast - I like some of their products very much (iPhone, Mac Pro, iPod), others not so much (iMac, MBP with glossy screens, etc), and I've become really irritated with their mantra of "Look how thin and beautiful it is...magical!"

Sure they make nice-looking products, but it's very telling that they're catering more towards the "form over function" people - "Well no, it's NOT very ergonomic...but look how gorgeous it is!"

I, for one, like the competition that Android and Windows provide - look how big of an improvement we're getting in iOS 5 with the notification system, thanks to Android.

By the same token, thanks to OS X, Windows finally has a very useable (probably Spotlight-inspired) search bar, where you can actually search for things very easily...something you really couldn't do until Vista came out.

I still hope for the day when Microsoft will take the ultimate step for its users and switch to a kernel with true UNIX underpinnings. That may be the only way to significantly reduce the occurance of viruses and malware (see OS X as a perfect example.)

I love OS X, but I love the advancement of technology more.

sinsin07
Jul 2, 2011, 05:28 PM
If someone calls the things I call strengths as weaknesses than they are probably biased.

If someone has less of a capacity to appreciate the merits of something, it does not make them equal to me.

If someone doesn't see the genius in something it doesn't mean its less genius.

Not everyone is equipped or has enough marketing perspective to be a reviewer. You can share your opinions, but they are hardly well rounded, developed, and mass-appealing.

It was designed to be a world beater because it invented a whole new paradigm, and even its imitators, though they have a working example of perfection (as far as response and behavior) they still cant, after 5 years, isolate exactly what consumers love about the product and reproduce it.

If and when they do, I will let you know.

+1
LOL I love the part in red. Real slick comeback!:D:D

Vegastouch
Jul 2, 2011, 05:54 PM
Well thats why I had said youre charging your battery. lol lol lol

you gotta be more careful before you dig yourself into a trap. ;)

Lol I dont even have to do anything against these people, I just give them rope and let them hang themselves.. then just Kick the chair from underneath them... wow.

Is this your way of saying that he's right, your iPhone cant do those things so you'll go on attack mode and say it wears down the battery?

Sure looks like it :rolleyes: I see no victory for you here at all mainly because you dont know what your talking about on this matter.

I also think its appropriate you used XB360 to my PS3 because its indicative of the subtle differences. PS3 has the best exclusive games with better graphics than 360 (not on titles that are multi-platform but the exclusives at least :) ) it has the better build quality (no 60% chance of Red Ring) and it also has better hardware that plays bluray etc.

Just because YOU like something better does not make it fact that it is better. Glad you like your P23. There is no red ring problem anymore on the XB 360 and the PS3 is more expensive......and imo its ok but it isnt as good and i have no need to have both.

That said...who really cares? Why does it bother you so much that people like different things than what you have or use?

Finally, Riptide is more comparable to the Real Racings and the Need for Speeds and kart games that all trump that little turd-gem. I said Infinity Blade. Riptide is not quite as revolutionary is it?

I dont play games on my phone so for me, this is a non issue. Didnt on my iPhone either. However, im sure i could find some games that would be just fine. I did try out Gangstar which is an HD game by Gameloft or something like that that is a Grand theft auto clone . Got it free. Looked grat but i dont play those things much so i deleted it after giving it a go. Point is, if you want them, you can get them and you dont have to wait for it to be in iTunes like you do.

How many years or months did it take them, to get Angry Birds? Cut the rope JUST came out?! I beat that game like a year ago.

Everybody knows the iPhone has a two year head start on all this stuff so you saying stuff like this is just a weak argument on your part. Two year head start and Android is already passing Apple up. Weak sauce.

And how will this bode for the future? How long will everything be 2nd rate? 2nd Place?

When Steve decides to let you have what you have been asking for, for some time now. But dont hold your breath. It only took two years to get MMS and copy and paste. It might come around and maybe a couple more years you will get Swype...or not.

mysterioustko
Jul 2, 2011, 06:11 PM
If someone calls the things I call strengths as weaknesses than they are probably biased.

If someone has less of a capacity to appreciate the merits of something, it does not make them equal to me.

If someone doesn't see the genius in something it doesn't mean its less genius.

Not everyone is equipped or has enough marketing perspective to be a reviewer. You can share your opinions, but they are hardly well rounded, developed, and mass-appealing.

It was designed to be a world beater because it invented a whole new paradigm, and even its imitators, though they have a working example of perfection (as far as response and behavior) they still cant, after 5 years, isolate exactly what consumers love about the product and reproduce it.

If and when they do, I will let you know.


Actually what I posted was quite detailed (moreso than the vague generalities you posted). You attempted to counter (unsuccessfully might I add), then was countered back with yet another very detailed response, and to that you had nothing to say. You have a very pretentious tone about you, and your level of arrogance is nauseating at best. You are so intent on only seeing things one way, that when someone actually brought legitimate points to you, you instead chose to stick your head and the sand and pretend it's not there and continue to spew your ridiculous bias to others.

Vegastouch
Jul 2, 2011, 06:14 PM
As these discussions happen keep in mind that all these comparisons are apples to apples comparisons that allows the merits of each OS to have a fair vs competition.

Dont ever forget that there is a lot more that makes the iPhone the #1 consumer choice.

If we are comparing from the perspective of the consumer, the iPhone packs on way more pros if we take it to the macro level.

These comparisons are just exhibition matches.

It takes way more than winning any 1 category, to topple this eco-system. But thats the sad thing, even with other aspects handicapped on the Apple side by not taking into account the elements, Android cant even reach even ground on that pretend level because it cant overcome that brick wall in its way called "smoothness"

There is nothing on earth that compares to the Apple eco-system and these discussions are just for the sake of semantics, thats why when you guys try to use phrases that imply we are on equal footing and that we are being biased for thinking we are better, our reaction can only be that you are misrepresenting the reality of the way things are in 2011.

When the facts change, I will be glad to update my attitude accordingly but until then:

iPhone 4 > all.

LMAO....Keep trying. :D

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+1
LOL I love the part in red. Real slick comeback!:D:D

Its really too bad that Bobby and most of you dont know that Apple Did Not make the first touch screen phone but continue to claim they started it all and everyone followed them. I really hate to say things against the iPhone and Apple. I think their stuff is good...way over priced but good but some of you are just un-informed.

al1cre
Jul 2, 2011, 06:22 PM
If someone calls the things I call strengths as weaknesses than they are probably biased.

If someone has less of a capacity to appreciate the merits of something, it does not make them equal to me.

If someone doesn't see the genius in something it doesn't mean its less genius.

Not everyone is equipped or has enough marketing perspective to be a reviewer. You can share your opinions, but they are hardly well rounded, developed, and mass-appealing.

It was designed to be a world beater because it invented a whole new paradigm, and even its imitators, though they have a working example of perfection (as far as response and behavior) they still cant, after 5 years, isolate exactly what consumers love about the product and reproduce it.

If and when they do, I will let you know.

Wow, you're really full of yourself to make yourself THE judge of what's biased and declare that what you see as strengths are the TRUE strengths.

Flipped around, if you don't see the true genius of Android, does that make it less genius? If you don't see the strengths it means you're as biased as anyone else. If you can't see that then it's not possible to have a rational conversation with you.

It's just a phone/gadget. It has little rectangles with pictures on them that represent apps. Touch one, it runs the app. It has fewer options than other phones so it's easier to use. Everyone has their own line as to what's the right mix of options/ease of use. You aren't the universal judge of such things.

I don't understand why some have this insistence on stating best as an absolute. It's not. Why not just say the iPhone is a great phone? Why do some people add "Android sucks," or "Anyone that doesn't think the way I do is biased!" Don't you realize how absurd that sounds?

mmfy
Jul 2, 2011, 08:10 PM
If you notice in this thread it's the same usual suspects too.

Its obvious what their hidden agenda is.

Undercover Apple haters.

Some guy with a 3GS just tried to say someone didn't know first hand whatever they were talking about when he has 2 year old tech. Sure if you got the old screen and slower phone you think Android has caught up. Haha.

Man these threads are so indicative of jealousy.

People can't handle that everything is not equal. In life and in phones.

Ugly people always try to say looks don't matter and good looking people just ignore them.

If people honestly think nobody is better or superior than anyone else than they are living in a very sad, very fake, very insecure reality.

You guys are racing around the track and iPhone is already at the finish line.

:rolleyes: lol - i haven't been on here a while but the WUMing in this post was worth it for the laughter! Wish I could get a dual OS phone (vs dual SIM) myself - like a real PC not a lcoked down mac :D - still love my ipod touch though !

Thares
Jul 2, 2011, 08:26 PM
iPhone fans should be more united like the Android fans.

Your thoughts?


My thought:
I don't care. I don't have the feeling to join the group of iPhone owners. Of course, I do have an iPhone. But I don't have the feeling to protect the piece of technology I own. I am happy with it as it is and no dissonance feelings will interrupt me. from feeling so. :)

If somebody needs to defend his/her decision of purchasing an iPhone or an Android, please do so. I don't.


Cheers

tigress666
Jul 2, 2011, 08:27 PM
And remember, the last two iPhones had a plastic back that many were complaining about getting stress cracks so please stop with the elegant comments. It looked nice but it was plastic too!!! The first one (the best built one imo) had aluminum and was very slippery. I had to get a case on that one pronto!

I will not trust Apple with plastic anymore. It's not just their previous phones that the plastic cracks from stress. They're macbooks do too (Every single person I knew with one had issues with cracks on the palm rests and when I read elsewhere too I looked and sure enough, there was a crack coming from an airvent in back).

Which is why I like my glass phone. WIth a case on it seems to withstand drops and i have more chance of it making it to 2 years without getting a crack on it as long as I care for it than I did with their plastic phone cause even if you cared for it for whatever reason Apple + plastic = cracks (I don't know if it is their designs put stress on points on the plastic or if they use crappy plastic).

Granted I suppose it would also be fixed by going Android but honestly, I like my iphone *shrug*. I don't care that Android has bigger screens (don't want a bigger screen honestly) or faster processors (unless the games move over to Android cause of better processors) or more customization. Those things aren't important enough for me to want to risk getting a phone I dont know if I will like over a phone I do know I like. Apple would probably have to mess something up majorly to get me to switch (biggest thing that could convince me is if htey lose developer support so that there aren't many apps made for it anymore and some other phone gets all the developer attention).

GoKyu
Jul 2, 2011, 08:54 PM
Granted I suppose it would also be fixed by going Android but honestly, I like my iphone *shrug*. I don't care that Android has bigger screens (don't want a bigger screen honestly)

I'd like a bigger screen, but without physically making the phone any larger.

Seems they might be headed that direction if rumors come true about them getting rid of the home button and making it gesture-only (also avoids the problem of the home button getting worn out.) Maybe we could get a bit extra screen real estate that way...

moldy lunchbox
Jul 2, 2011, 09:34 PM
Look at your comment. Back to mine. Back to yours NOW BACK TO MINE. Sadly,it isn't mine. But if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate crap it could LOOK like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through the comments, finding the ones that your comment could look like. Back at mine,what is it? It's a highly effective counter-troll. Look again, MY COMMENT IS NOW DIAMONDS.

Anything is possible when you cut and paste.

I'm on a computer

hahaha i hope i'm not the only one that gets this...

wordoflife
Jul 2, 2011, 09:35 PM
Lol I saved that picture by the way its amazingly hilarious.

You know what else is amazingly hilarious?
You're defending iOS on an Apple forum and you think you are right ... while everyone else and your post ratings clearly disagree.

No one likes fanboys. Even if you are defending a brand on it's own forum.

Jagardn
Jul 2, 2011, 10:12 PM
You know what else is amazingly hilarious?
You're defending iOS on an Apple forum and you think you are right ... while everyone else and your post ratings clearly disagree.

No one likes fanboys. Even if you are defending a brand on it's own forum.

He is getting negative post feedback because he is full of himself and acts like a dumbass.:D

Bobby Corwen
Jul 2, 2011, 10:35 PM
He is getting negative post feedback because he is full of himself and acts like a dumbass.:D

*not because I'm wrong

And I'm not a fanboy ppl know that. Ive never waited in a product release line in my life. It's just a last resort tactic to call me that to avoid the actual debate topics.

mysterioustko
Jul 2, 2011, 10:38 PM
I'd like a bigger screen, but without physically making the phone any larger.

Seems they might be headed that direction if rumors come true about them getting rid of the home button and making it gesture-only (also avoids the problem of the home button getting worn out.) Maybe we could get a bit extra screen real estate that way...

They can easily make the screen larger without increasing the size of the phone any significant amount. For one, the home button could be made much smaller (compare it to the size of the capacitive buttons on other phones and it is HUGE). Second the iPhone 4 wastes a lot of space on the bezel. Look at the HTC Sensation, that phone has a 4.3" screen and the phone size is barely larger than the iPhone 4....and that's almost a full inch larger screen. That being said, they should be able to fit a 4" screen in there without having to increase the phone size much at all.

Rodimus Prime
Jul 2, 2011, 10:54 PM
*not because I'm wrong

And I'm not a fanboy ppl know that. Ive never waited in a product release line in my life. It's just a last resort tactic to call me that to avoid the actual debate topics.

waiting in line is not what what determines if you are a fanboy or not.

Vegastouch
Jul 2, 2011, 10:55 PM
They can easily make the screen larger without increasing the size of the phone any significant amount. For one, the home button could be made much smaller (compare it to the size of the capacitive buttons on other phones and it is HUGE). Second the iPhone 4 wastes a lot of space on the bezel. Look at the HTC Sensation, that phone has a 4.3" screen and the phone size is barely larger than the iPhone 4....and that's almost a full inch larger screen. That being said, they should be able to fit a 4" screen in there without having to increase the phone size much at all.

You dont know that. If the screen is bigger, im sure the battery would have to be bigger. The screen takes the most amount of power. Its easy to say they can increase the screen and they have room to do it but you have no idea how the phone is made and what room they need to make that happen. Im sure if they make the screen bigger, the whole phone will have to be a little bigger and thats ok.

My Vibrant is bigger than the iPhone and i can still use one hand to work it and i dont have the biggest hands.

waiting in line is not what what determines if you are a fanboy or not.

True that. Obviously Bobby is still confused.

Wafflausages
Jul 2, 2011, 10:56 PM
because some people dont have their head far up apples ass

Jagardn
Jul 2, 2011, 11:09 PM
*not because I'm wrong

And I'm not a fanboy ppl know that. Ive never waited in a product release line in my life. It's just a last resort tactic to call me that to avoid the actual debate topics.

I have read a bunch of your posts, and I would say that if you were to lookup "Apple Fanboy" on wikipedia, your picture would be on there.

Apples stock has made me a lot of money, so if anything I should be a huge fanboy.

I do love Apple products, but would not put myself in the Fanboy class.
Are Apple products perfect? No
Do they suite my needs better than anything else I've tried? Yes
Did my profits from my Apple stock buy every Apple product I own? Hell Yeah they did! :D

mysterioustko
Jul 2, 2011, 11:56 PM
You dont know that. If the screen is bigger, im sure the battery would have to be bigger. The screen takes the most amount of power. Its easy to say they can increase the screen and they have room to do it but you have no idea how the phone is made and what room they need to make that happen. Im sure if they make the screen bigger, the whole phone will have to be a little bigger and thats ok.

My Vibrant is bigger than the iPhone and i can still use one hand to work it and i dont have the biggest hands.



True that. Obviously Bobby is still confused.

My sentence said "They can easily make the screen larger without increasing the size of the phone ANY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT". I never said they wouldn't have to increase the size. What I said was the size increase would not have to be significant. I used the HTC Sensation as an example because it is a phone who's screen is .8 inches larger but yet the phone itself is only slightly larger than the iphone 4.

Bobby Corwen
Jul 3, 2011, 12:55 AM
I have read a bunch of your posts, and I would say that if you were to lookup "Apple Fanboy" on wikipedia, your picture would be on there.

Apples stock has made me a lot of money, so if anything I should be a huge fanboy.

I do love Apple products, but would not put myself in the Fanboy class.
Are Apple products perfect? No
Do they suite my needs better than anything else I've tried? Yes
Did my profits from my Apple stock buy every Apple product I own? Hell Yeah they did! :D

Me too me too I'm not a fanboy, I'm just a guy who appreciates nice things

ChazUK
Jul 3, 2011, 01:16 AM
Well said. I do like Android hardware in some aspects. However things like this is are a problem:
Just How Many Android Tablet Apps Are There? (http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/mystery-how-many-android-tablet-apps/?pagemode=print)

Too much mystery in the Android world.

1: What apps run on which devices
2: Which devices run which OS
3: Which devices will get the latest OS updates
4: Which devices will not get the latest updates
5: Which carrier's are slow with OS updates
6: Which carrier's over-layed their own interface, and what the ramifications are.
7: Which apps are Honeycomb optimized

When you buy an Android device, you know what you have in your hand at the moment, but you are not always sure what you will have in the future. Even Google recognizes this, a quick search yields these results:
Google to tighten control on android
If updates really are a concern, get a Nexus. I use both a ZTE Blade and Nexus S and application compbatibility is fantastic considering the bump in specifications between both devices. This is my genuine experience on the platformwhich I find impressive myself.

When it comes to honeycomb apps, the vast majority of them work at the Xoom's native resolution for me (only those with 2d assets are generally upscaled). As the OS is designed for multiple resolutions, things do scale well.

Games like Raging Thunder which is a phone game is able to render at the native Res, unlike phone games on the iPad which are pixel doubled and all native Android UI elements are availiable to the non-honeycomb optimised apps (no upscaled, stretched iPhone keyboard assets like using an iPhone app on the iPad.)

The question on how many Honeycomb apps can either be answered as apps designed for the specific API level, or apps designed for older api's which work fine on larger screens.

mrmacosx
Jul 3, 2011, 01:35 AM
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So playing video games is all you can do on the iPhone?

Hanging yourself ftw. (and "...wow.")

As the poster above me said, the screen accounts for the majority of power usage. That said, even if widgets did use more juice I wouldn't mind- information at a glance over a sea of icons any day. Let me also say here that you would have to launch an app to get the same amount of info I can get from my widgets, which I bet uses up more power than all my widgets do combined.

By the way, Infinity Blade is quite a repetitive game. If you want to talk about good games with great graphics, perhaps Dungeon Defenders is a better comparison, which is available on both iOS and Android. Looks far better on my GSII than my iPhone imo simply due to the larger screen and more vibrant colors.

Oh and normally I'm a PS3 fanboy but your post was nothing short of weird.

What was weird about the PS3 analogy? God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Uncharted 2, there is no equivalent critically or graphically on 360. All of those titles have graphics that are a notch above because they take advantage of the superior hardware. Everybody knows the XB360 was notorious for breaking and laser burning disks and it was like a critical problem for years to the point where low key there should have been a recall because of the horrible way they designed their hardware and the way the placed the drive to make it prone to laser burn disks. On the other hand, I still have my original 60GB PS3 working flawlessly.

So I dont see what was weird. Sony is to Apple what Microsoft is to Android.

So yes, all you can do on an iPhone is play games, with your fingers covering up half the screen to use the virtual D-pad and buttons.

Okay then. What you're saying is, iOS is useless for anyone over 14. (&imo it isn't, but what you're saying certainly implies this)

"Oh hi iPhone, I'm checking out Flash web pages, Swyping text into a Word document and navigating for free with live traffic and street view. What are you doing? (playing video games and playing video games lol)"

Wow, Bobby is so incredibly wrong.
You're like a superiphonefanboyextremist.

I like iOS a lot ... but you're just wrong. Wow.

This thread kind of reminds me of this (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tjRbp1akCT0/R_LOVcqpHpI/AAAAAAAAAAw/I20NcsEppKg/s400/xkcd-SomeoneWrongOnInternet.png) picture
Not going to show the image because I'll probably get banned :rolleyes:

He seems to think that his opinion is a fact lol.

mrmacosx
Jul 3, 2011, 01:36 AM
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Sam The Slayer
Jul 3, 2011, 01:52 AM
iPhone doesn't get defended because it's so much better than android, it doesn't need to be(coning from an ex-android user). Android is like the unsophisticated smart phone. Thus no one fights for iPhone because there is no argument. iPhone is better, plain and simple.

tigress666
Jul 3, 2011, 02:13 AM
I'd like a bigger screen, but without physically making the phone any larger.

Seems they might be headed that direction if rumors come true about them getting rid of the home button and making it gesture-only (also avoids the problem of the home button getting worn out.) Maybe we could get a bit extra screen real estate that way...

Gah, no, I really don't want a gesture only thing for the phone. I'm sorry, but that is just a really bad idea.

First of all, gestures on a phone, way too small a space.

Secondly, it makes it very hard to use the phone one with just one hand (like for example when I have a dog on a leash and need to look something up, I do not have two hands free. Or even when reading something on the phone and eating. Pretty much kills being able to multitask while using the phone).

Now, I wouldn't object to a seperate "button" that was capacitive instead of a physical button, but I still want it to be something that one can just feel for and one doesn't need to make a gesture for but just tap with a thumb/forefinger.

And I personally like that they keep the phone symmetrical even in landscape position (makes it easier to use as a gaming device and just looks better when watching stuff on it) so I would want the top bezel to be as thick as the bottom. Since it is a device designed to look at, looks are actually important (and not looking weird).

Anyways, I think the current screen is fine for a compromise between size of phone and size of screen. If they can some how finagle it to have a bigger screen without making the phone longer or wider (a little bit thicker won't annoy me though) I'd be fine with that. Otherwise it's not worth the compromise at all to me.

ChazUK
Jul 3, 2011, 02:29 AM
iPhone doesn't get defended because it's so much better than android, it doesn't need to be(coning from an ex-android user). Android is like the unsophisticated smart phone. Thus no one fights for iPhone because there is no argument. iPhone is better, plain and simple.

In that line of thinking, if it is that much better, why is there a need to bash competing products (this does not just apply to Android but Windows, Linux, Symbian Meego e.t.c)?

If you think the iPhone does not get defended, have a read of this very thread, plenty of defense going on.

bandofbrothers
Jul 3, 2011, 03:12 AM
Hi,


I nearly got the pop corn out for this thread !

Lots of pissing contests going on here !


The way I look at it is,

if the device, gadget or handset provides me with what I need to get out of the device, then i'll buy it.

I always do lots of homework before buying into my fones.

Brands will and always will be a factor wether your buying a pair of jeans or an electrical gadget ! Consumer confidence.

I used Nokia products for over 20 years, because the items I was interested in fulfilled my needs and wants.

Their newest fones dont and after buying two Nokia smartfone handsets that fell below my own expectations, I looked at others as well as apple.

The iphone4 ticked all my wants and needs basket !

When a friend or colleague asks what fone I have and I say an iphone 4, then if I get a derogatory reply about apple/iphone products, then my simple reply is thats your opinion, fine !

I feel no need to defend apple to anyone.

Normally after comparing the specs with theirs and what my device can do compared to their own handset, thats enough to silence them anyway !!

One said well the app's are all for kids and useless.

As an example I showed him the simple Sky+ app.
They said oh yes you can see the sky tv listings, thats ok.

I then showed how I can then set a programme to record from the app.

Reply was....... WoW, awesome.

Enough said !

Its plain and simple choice !

DiamondMac
Jul 5, 2011, 02:27 PM
Why does it matter?

I mean, I come here for the talk & discussion and to me the most annoying ones are those who can't admit any fault or issues.

If Android has something better, tell me about it

al1cre
Jul 5, 2011, 07:01 PM
Why does it matter?

I mean, I come here for the talk & discussion and to me the most annoying ones are those who can't admit any fault or issues.

If Android has something better, tell me about it

Well, I miss the way Android rejects phone calls: two visual buttons on the lock screen. Slide one to the right unlocks the phone (just like the iOS). Slide the other to the left during an incoming call rejects the call.

If there's not an incoming call and you slide the button to the left, it turns on/off silent mode. The lock screen always shows if you were in silent mode.

Rejecting a call was the only thing I had to look in the user's guide to figure out how to do. That's one of the few really sloppy things in the iPhone UI.

840quadra
Jul 5, 2011, 07:18 PM
I personally don't expect anyone else to use a phone for the exact same reasons I do, nor do I project my opinion on what I think is best on anyone else. For me this is true for both Macs, and Cellular phones.

Like myself, many other legacy Mac users (who also have and support iPhones) tend to be non confrontational when it comes to topics like that. Mostly because we are used to being in the minority, and people not understanding our wants and needs.

Choice is great, I choose to use both a Mac, and an iPhone, because it fits me.

thegman1234
Jul 7, 2011, 11:21 AM
I personally don't expect anyone else to use a phone for the exact same reasons I do, nor do I project my opinion on what I think is best on anyone else. For me this is true for both Macs, and Cellular phones.

Like myself, many other legacy Mac users (who also have and support iPhones) tend to be non confrontational when it comes to topics like that. Mostly because we are used to being in the minority, and people not understanding our wants and needs.

Choice is great, I choose to use both a Mac, and an iPhone, because it fits me.

Often times, I find myself in the middle of the argument between user experience and functionality. One that, for good reason, cannot be won. This is why I generally try to stay away from the argument altogether. It's a pointless argument that is entirely based on the opinion of the user.

However, what I generally find (at least in my personal experience) is that most android users aren't willing accept the fact that someone could possibly like a less functional device better because they like the user experience better.

It tends to round about with the closed minded ideology that one device cannot possibly be better for someone or deliver a better experience with less functionality through the hardware or software. Which is something that has long kept Apple users in that minority that you mentioned and is reminiscent of why many PC users hate Macs.

That sort of, "but it doesn't play games," mentality that is not only ignorant, but inconsequential to the user. If I wanna play games, I'll turn on my gaming console. If I wanna play PC, games I'll buy a PC. If I want that sort of functionality, I'll buy the device that offers it. If I haven't bought that device then I obviously don't need, nor want badly enough, that functionality.

Burne Jones
Jul 8, 2011, 02:18 AM
Because half the posts that trash Android are by people who have no idea what they are talking about. The posts are completely wrong and inaccurate.

We're not defending Android, we're just simply saying that you're wrong.

Yeah I am confused by privously posts here, the meaning of the asker was that we don't need to so defend android issues here and wonder the reasons of that!

I am new here and I think I will gradually enter into the atmosphere of this forum.

mooseolly
Nov 27, 2012, 12:39 AM
Again.. now i'm being called a troll just because I am trying to see why theirs so much defending of Android products on an iPhone forum.

I take no offense to the comment at all, just further proves my point.

Why should iPhone fans be forced to defend Android? Why be fake about it? Android simply can not compete with the iPhone. I find more Android users going back to iPhone then iPhone users going back to Android.

"Android simply can not compete with the iPhone"

You are a bias guy, opinions from a bias guy is bound to get some disagreements. This is common sense. Not everyone can agree on the same thing. Subjectivity at it's best.

lke
Nov 27, 2012, 10:35 AM
Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.

Maybe because of that they protect Android like it is the best because they don't accept they don't have the money for an iphone.


About android i think it is very insecure full of malware, virus and spyware, it is exactly like windows vs mac os x.

aznboi91
Nov 27, 2012, 11:10 AM
People defend themselves because they are not sure of the unknown. They use what they know to fight back.

:)

MVRL
Nov 27, 2012, 12:20 PM
iPhone doesn't get defended because it's so much better than android, it doesn't need to be(coning from an ex-android user). Android is like the unsophisticated smart phone. Thus no one fights for iPhone because there is no argument. iPhone is better, plain and simple.

I wouldn't say that. I have used both Android phones and iPhones. In fact, I have a 5 right now. I would say that they each have their own strengths and weaknesses, there's nothing to argue about.

At the end of the day, it's up to personal choice. Bashing or siding with one is simply retarded. You are the consumer, you choose whatever fits your needs best, and it's not like you can only have one or the other. Only retards side with one and bash the other.

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Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.

Maybe because of that they protect Android like it is the best because they don't accept they don't have the money for an iphone.


About android i think it is very insecure full of malware, virus and spyware, it is exactly like windows vs mac os x.

Ignorance isn't a bliss in your case. I have a 5 right now, and I enjoy using my Android phones just as much as I enjoy using the 5 now. There's nothing wrong with choosing a phone that fits your taste/needs.

And you think wrong, christ, I don't even think you know how to think at all. It is nothing like windows vs mac os x if you actually know what you are talking about. They are both Unix based OSs and they are both prone to malwares..etc. It's up to the attacker to target who.

Siding with one and mindlessly bashing the other is simply retarded. It's like bashing people out at the bakery for choosing a bagel over a cake or bashing people for drinking coke instead of pepsi.

And that comment about ppl not being able to afford iphones? What a joke..

aerok
Nov 27, 2012, 12:23 PM
Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.

Maybe because of that they protect Android like it is the best because they don't accept they don't have the money for an iphone.


About android i think it is very insecure full of malware, virus and spyware, it is exactly like windows vs mac os x.

My Note 2 cost me $80 more than the iPhone5.

Find me examples of people complaining because of malware on Android.

Here is one for the iPhone:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1381277

BFizzzle
Nov 27, 2012, 12:36 PM
lets burn whomever brought this thread back to life

SlasherDuff
Nov 27, 2012, 12:41 PM
Well, I love my iPhone 4S, and can't detach myself from using it.

That said I have nothing against Andriod and it's users, though I admit I am afraid to own anything Android. It's an entirely whole new ecosystem for me and I am so used to the simplicity of iOS.

So i stick to what works for me :)

aerok
Nov 27, 2012, 12:48 PM
Well, I love my iPhone 4S, and can't detach myself from using it.

That said I have nothing against Andriod and it's users, though I admit I am afraid to own anything Android. It's an entirely whole new ecosystem for me and I am so used to the simplicity of iOS.

So i stick to what works for me :)

Which is a perfectly valid reason. Unlike some people that shoot out gibberish of reasons why they do not want to try an Android phone.

Cebuano1976
Nov 27, 2012, 12:58 PM
Apple marketing works for me. iPhone works better for me. Prefer iOs million times more than Android.

iceterminal
Nov 27, 2012, 01:00 PM
"Android simply can not compete with the iPhone"

You are a bias guy, opinions from a bias guy is bound to get some disagreements. This is common sense. Not everyone can agree on the same thing. Subjectivity at it's best.

Bringing up a year and a half old thread really makes your point valid.

Especially since the argument has been dormant for over a year.

tymaster50
Nov 27, 2012, 01:41 PM
Different strokes for different folks, I'm not an android guy, the layout is kind of time-consuming for me. I'd rather own an iPhone since most of my friends have it and the apps are better, which is a point that cannot be argued.

Nale72
Nov 27, 2012, 02:18 PM
Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.

Maybe because of that they protect Android like it is the best because they don't accept they don't have the money for an iphone.


About android i think it is very insecure full of malware, virus and spyware, it is exactly like windows vs mac os x.

"full of malware, virus and spyware"?

I think many will stand up for Android because of posts like this, when people try to convince others of stuff that aren't true.

I have myself had three Android devices (been an Android User since 2010) and I have family and many friends with Android devices. I have myself personally not seen or heard of any Android device that have had problems with malware, virus or spyware.

Since a month back however i am a iPhone 5 user. I miss some things from my Xperia Ray and am somewhat disappointed by the iP5 build quality (have gotten a flaked shamfer even though I've treated it like a baby and used a silicone cover/bumper since day 1), maps (that will be improving) and I miss my quick settings widgets. But I can have more apps installed on it (limited memory for apps was a bit drawback with the Ray for me) and like it's better smoothness. I'm still learning stuff and think the iP5 is a better fit for me than the Ray in the long run.

I don't think iOS or Android is best for everyone, it's a matter of personal preferences and what you use your phone for. I can't take someone that categorically says iOS is best or that Android is best for anyone serious and I suggest nobody else does that.

VandyChem2009
Nov 27, 2012, 02:21 PM
Different strokes for different folks, I'm not an android guy, the layout is kind of time-consuming for me. I'd rather own an iPhone since most of my friends have it and the apps are better, which is a point that cannot be argued.

LOL anything can be argued. I for one agree that the Apps available on iOS are better however, you can argue that Android is better.

IFRIT
Nov 27, 2012, 03:43 PM
Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.

Maybe because of that they protect Android like it is the best because they don't accept they don't have the money for an iphone.


About android i think it is very insecure full of malware, virus and spyware, it is exactly like windows vs mac os x.

Post full of fail sorry.

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LOL anything can be argued. I for one agree that the Apps available on iOS are better however, you can argue that Android is better.

The iPhone has more top quality apps, android has plenty though.

Mr Hill
Nov 27, 2012, 04:34 PM
It seems that many Android owners have an inferiority complex when it comes to the iPhone. Always trying to prove that whatever device they're using is better than the iPhone or how much smarter they think they are than iphome users. Seems like most people I encounter with iPhones simply don't care/ignore other phones and OS.

F123D
Nov 27, 2012, 04:39 PM
Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.



Wow..

aerok
Nov 27, 2012, 04:42 PM
Seems like most people I encounter with iPhones simply don't care/ignore other phones and OS.

There are idiots on both sides that try hard to prove their phone/OS is better...

Sean4123
Nov 27, 2012, 04:43 PM
Because it is very popular. There are so many different android phones on the market today its really amazing what they have done.

I have an HTC Evo, which is an fabulous phone. FOR ME AND WHAT I WANT out of a phone, it is perfect, and suits me better than an iPhone. Ive had an iPhone before and i do miss it, and if and when i switch to verizon soon i will be getting one.

I frequently visit and post in android forums, and believe me, there are many many iPhone threads where people defend, bash, and compare our android to your iPhone. This is also a major forum, discussing the iPhone. Its just natural that people are going to come here too and defend, bash, and compare their iPhone to our androids.

Enjoy your phones, do your research, and enjoy the raping from the cell phone companies!!!

Ha, I call BS on that. You say that your Evo fits you better than the iPhone, yet in the same paragraph you state that you miss your iPhone and will be getting one in the future....

Haha, make up your mind.

Greg.
Nov 27, 2012, 04:50 PM
Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.

Maybe because of that they protect Android like it is the best because they don't accept they don't have the money for an iphone.

It's because of constant backhanded comments like these on MacRumors that some people feel a need to step in to defend Android. The fact is both operating systems are incredible, and Android deserves serious credit for working on so many different devices. Some people don't understand the competition is good for us consumers, and probably haven't even tried Android before blindly dismissing it. Jelly Bean on my Nexus 4 is incredible, but there's features I miss from iOS. Why can't we all just get along? :p

louis.b
Nov 27, 2012, 07:51 PM
As an ex Android fan boy who has recently moved to iphone5, I'd say let them defend all they want because what they say is probably exaggerated anyway. Some people just want to be in the "cool" group and it's hip now to bash Apple and praise Android. It's the nature of society to bring down the status quo and Apple is the biggest company is a fact. Android may have more market share collectively and Samsung sell more collectively but iPhone 4 4s and 5 are the best selling models out there. Let the haters hate all they want.

indiekicks
Nov 27, 2012, 09:55 PM
I've noticed this as well. People talk about "elitist isheep" but I've found hardcore android enthusiasts to be very zealous and condescending when it comes to iphone users. It's pathetic, really. Go enjoy your phone and ****.

alancorp
Nov 28, 2012, 01:00 AM
Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.

Maybe because of that they protect Android like it is the best because they don't accept they don't have the money for an iphone.


About android i think it is very insecure full of malware, virus and spyware, it is exactly like windows vs mac os x.

What an ignorant post. The high end android phones costs just as much as the 32GB iPhone 5 (Even 64Gb iPhone 5 if you add a 64GB sd Card). Most android fanboys that protect Android buy top of the line Android phones. I'm sure they can afford an iPhone.

The people who buy budget android phones could care less about Android vs IOS. Besides you can get an iPhone 4 for free and iPhone 4S for $99 so how is that not affordable?

Android is not insecure and full of malware and spyware. Of course if you root and sideload apps, you are opening yourself up but it's the same with iOS if you jailbreak. I'm not even going to get into Windows vs OSX.

Dontazemebro
Nov 29, 2012, 10:58 AM
Again.. now i'm being called a troll just because I am trying to see why theirs so much defending of Android products on an iPhone forum.

I take no offense to the comment at all, just further proves my point.

Why should iPhone fans be forced to defend Android? Why be fake about it? Android simply can not compete with the iPhone. I find more Android users going back to iPhone then iPhone users going back to Android.

Maybe because of ignorant comments like this. It's funny how an OS leading in marketshare by a good margin, can't compete.

VulchR
Nov 29, 2012, 11:27 AM
@OP: I think the reason that people argue for one mobile phone over another is that they get their knickers in a twist trying to demonstrate how technologically oh-so-clever they are.

Yet in most cases their assertions are either adolescent twaddle ('such-and-such phone kicks such-and-such phone's a$$') or they are simply regurgitating the views they read somewhere by some biased 'expert' online. I think this is pretty much the same for some iPhone fans and some Android fans.

You know want to know why I prefer the iOS to Android? I used to say that it was because of how Google uses personal information. However, some people in this forum made an argument that it wasn't as bad as I thought, and, having read some more, I agree. So, hopefully at least some of the comments about the merits of one system over another are based on unbiased expertise of the people who post in forums like this. The problem is sorting out the wheat from the chaff.

FWIW - the main reason I don't like Android is that somehow the icons look amateurish to me (yuck) - it's as silly a basis for a preference as any you could mention. I also like the Apple ecosystem and some technical apps that are available only on iOS, but I just never have liked the look of Android. Probably never will....

theluggage
Nov 29, 2012, 11:38 AM
I've noticed this as well. People talk about "elitist isheep" but I've found hardcore android enthusiasts to be very zealous and condescending when it comes to iphone users. It's pathetic, really. Go enjoy your phone and ****.

Back in the stone age, the Druids probably had long arguments about whether a twin ring monolith-based stone circle could compete with a trilithon henge. Main progress is that back then, flaming someone was a bit more serious.

In the 80s when some of us were young, going into a store, finding the Commodore 64 and typing:


10 PRINT "Commodore is s***! The BBC Model B is Better"
20 GOTO 10
RUN


...was the height of hilarity.

PC and Mac users have been ragging each other since 1984 (but then PCs were ****** until the late 90s).

Bottom line as I see it: Android is more versatile and customisable than iOS, gives you a far more diverse choice of devices (including cheap ones) but lacks the polish and consistency of iOS. Plus, whatever you think about the internal build quality of the hardware, there's only one Jony Ive, and other manufacturers just don't get the 'less can be more' concept.

iOS works seamlessly if you're happy to live within the iTunes/iCloud ecosystem, Android works pretty well if you're happy to live in Google's cloud instead, but trades seamlessness for diversity and compatibility.

Android makers went through a phase of producing me-too iDevice-look-alikes, but they've got over that (perhaps with some legal coercion) and are now offering interesting choices (e.g. Samsung's doing pen input and offering mini, regular, and phablet Galaxy devices).

The iPhone 5 is a fine phone, and it is innovative but the user payoff innovation isn't obvious. New display technology (which probably delayed the release) that merely shaves another mm off the thickness. The adaptive Lightning connector is jolly clever, but the practical upshot for the punter is that their docks and adapters are obsolete and the new adapters cost more than the old ones.

Yes folks, both platforms have their strengths and weaknesses...

cynics
Nov 29, 2012, 07:13 PM
There are just as many iPhone fans defending their iphones on android forums as there are Android fans doing the same here. I frequent both apple forums (I have and use a 4S) and Android forums (I have and use a Nexus 10).

I find on most Android forums they put a stop to the Apple fans very quickly outside of the iOS sections though. I guess the same applies here....

siiip5
Nov 29, 2012, 07:30 PM
Back in the stone age, the Druids probably had long arguments about whether a twin ring monolith-based stone circle could compete with a trilithon henge. Main progress is that back then, flaming someone was a bit more serious.

In the 80s when some of us were young, going into a store, finding the Commodore 64 and typing:


10 PRINT "Commodore is s***! The BBC Model B is Better"
20 GOTO 10
RUN


...was the height of hilarity.
...

Holy crap. You just brought back a bunch of memories! The Commodore 64 was awesome. Used to make side scrolling games with text code.

siiip5
Nov 29, 2012, 07:41 PM
There are just as many iPhone fans defending their iphones on android forums as there are Android fans doing the same here. I frequent both apple forums (I have and use a 4S) and Android forums (I have and use a Nexus 10).

I find on most Android forums they put a stop to the Apple fans very quickly outside of the iOS sections though. I guess the same applies here....

Go to AppleInsider and try to say anything negative about Apple. It will be censored and/or deleted within mnutes. there is a mod there named Talest Skil that is an utter tool. That used to be a great site and a place to get quality info. Now it reads like a propogandist site, completely spun to be as pro-Apple as possible. They also make up a lot of what they write by prefacing their articles with words like 'anticipated' or ''expected'. i.e. "The iPhone is expected to sell 1 billion phones this quarter." Total joke site now.

mib1800
Nov 29, 2012, 08:39 PM
I think it is more of the iFans that's on the defensive than Android fans. Sometimes I feel sorry for iFans trying to argue against Android (it is like they are charging up the hill where the other side has the higher ground)

Fact is Android has a much higher capability/functionality count (incl. multi-task, intents, connectivity/data tranfer options, OS options or apps and UI options) than iOS. Suffice to say that Android can do much more compared to iOS from a technical standpoint. Android fans just need to throw out these points and it will be very difficult for iFans to counter. The only thing left that iFans can do is to debate using their own PERSONAL preferences and point of views. So it is often quite frustrating (for both sides) when you are debating from a different perspective.

Zwhaler
Nov 29, 2012, 08:48 PM
Go to AppleInsider and try to say anything negative about Apple. It will be censored and/or deleted within mnutes. there is a mod there named Talest Skil that is an utter tool. That used to be a great site and a place to get quality info. Now it reads like a propogandist site, completely spun to be as pro-Apple as possible. They also make up a lot of what they write by prefacing their articles with words like 'anticipated' or ''expected'. i.e. "The iPhone is expected to sell 1 billion phones this quarter." Total joke site now.

Lol! Your post made me register on the AI forums just to quote this guy bashing the Note 2 and Android and list counter arguments ... oh the internet.

onthecouchagain
Nov 29, 2012, 09:02 PM
I think it is more of the iFans that's on the defensive than Android fans. Sometimes I feel sorry for iFans trying to argue against Android (it is like they are charging up the hill where the other side has the higher ground)

Fact is Android has a much higher capability/functionality count (incl. multi-task, intents, connectivity/data tranfer options, OS options or apps and UI options) than iOS. Suffice to say that Android can do much more compared to iOS from a technical standpoint. Android fans just need to throw out these points and it will be very difficult for iFans to counter. The only thing left that iFans can do is to debate using their own PERSONAL preferences and point of views. So it is often quite frustrating (for both sides) when you are debating from a different perspective.


Nailed it.

I've said a bunch of times, in the past year, it's become harder and harder to defend iOS. The list of so called advantages have grown short and narrow with, as you said, very specific personal preferences.

Prototypical
Nov 29, 2012, 11:26 PM
I think it is more of the iFans that's on the defensive than Android fans. Sometimes I feel sorry for iFans trying to argue against Android (it is like they are charging up the hill where the other side has the higher ground)

Fact is Android has a much higher capability/functionality count (incl. multi-task, intents, connectivity/data tranfer options, OS options or apps and UI options) than iOS. Suffice to say that Android can do much more compared to iOS from a technical standpoint. Android fans just need to throw out these points and it will be very difficult for iFans to counter. The only thing left that iFans can do is to debate using their own PERSONAL preferences and point of views. So it is often quite frustrating (for both sides) when you are debating from a different perspective.

BUT... Those personal preferences/requirements can be just as important as tech specs and function counts. If someone doesn't need NFC or lean heavily on Google services, those things aren't really advantages from a personal perspective (even if they are unique vs. iOS). Far too often, Android fans put features and specs above real world usability (not to imply Android isn't usable in the real world) and can't understand why someone would choose iOS simplicity and functionality over Android's feature list and infinite customization. iOS doesn't make you a simpleton any more than Android makes you a geeky basement dweller.

A lot of these arguments would end before they start if more people could just accept that one OS is not indisputably "better" than the other. Maybe one is better for YOU, and the other is better for someone else. The best phone for anyone is the device that suits one's needs the best. We don't have to defend our OS choices to the death, folks. It's just a phone.

macrem
Nov 30, 2012, 02:04 AM
I have had both iOS and Android devices & have primarily chosen iOS. There is no doubt that Android has its merits. It's understandable why some people prefer iOS and others Android.

I also feel like there is somehow stronger anti-iOS & anti-Apple sentiment. It's as if Apple did something bad to Android users. Ok, there were lawsuits but that's calmed down and it has not affected Android users. It's obvious that there was quite a lot of copying Apple's ideas but recently that's been a two-way street.

I have this kind of negative sentiment toward Microsoft & MS Windows after years of frustration with crapware and at times in my career being forced to use Windows at work. Also Microsoft's practices have stifled progress with products like IE.

But no one is forced to use Apple products afaik. Apple keeps pushing technology to the next level rather than stifling progress. The competition between Android and iOS is healthy for users. I'm glad there's both. We're also *NIX cousins.

I think we should all join hands and go back to hating Microsoft ;-)

reefoid
Nov 30, 2012, 04:26 AM
Go to AppleInsider and try to say anything negative about Apple. It will be censored and/or deleted within mnutes. there is a mod there named Talest Skil that is an utter tool. That used to be a great site and a place to get quality info. Now it reads like a propogandist site, completely spun to be as pro-Apple as possible. They also make up a lot of what they write by prefacing their articles with words like 'anticipated' or ''expected'. i.e. "The iPhone is expected to sell 1 billion phones this quarter." Total joke site now.

Agreed. I still go there just for the entertainment value but its amazing how ignorant some of the posters on there are. As for Tallest Skil, he's the only forum moderator I know of on any forums that is allowed to personally attack other posters and blatantly lies to refute arguments (and then refuses to accept he lied in the face of insurmountable evidence). Again, I just read his posts for pure comedic and entertainment purposes. And as for his ready made list of retorts against anyone that dare disagree with him, its a bit like debating with a three year old.

I think MR is one of the more balanced forums when it comes to the Apple/Android debate (especially since the introduction of this iOS Alternatives section). Yes, there are extremists on both sides, but the vast majority are open to an honest debate without resorting to name calling and stereotyping. Unlike AI where a balanced view from most of the regulars just isn't going to happen.

VulchR
Nov 30, 2012, 05:00 AM
Holy crap. You just brought back a bunch of memories! The Commodore 64 was awesome. Used to make side scrolling games with text code.

I collected data for my PhD on the C64 (the game ports were tailored made to collect analog and digital inputs in real time). Great little machine....

SkyBell
Nov 30, 2012, 05:14 AM
Ha, I call BS on that. You say that your Evo fits you better than the iPhone, yet in the same paragraph you state that you miss your iPhone and will be getting one in the future....

Haha, make up your mind.
You do know it's possible to like different aspects of two opposing things, right? I'm not a fan of iOS in the slightest, and I love my Palm Pixi with webOS. But I do miss my iPhone simply for the sheer number of the apps on the platform.

Go to AppleInsider and try to say anything negative about Apple. It will be censored and/or deleted within mnutes. there is a mod there named Talest Skil that is an utter tool.
That guy used to hang around here a couple years back... and there's reasons he's no longer around. :p

tbayrgs
Nov 30, 2012, 12:21 PM
As for Tallest Skil, he's the only forum moderator I know of on any forums that is allowed to personally attack other posters and blatantly lies to refute arguments (and then refuses to accept he lied in the face of insurmountable evidence). Again, I just read his posts for pure comedic and entertainment purposes. And as for his ready made list of retorts against anyone that dare disagree with him, its a bit like debating with a three year old.

Well, considering he was banned from MR, not terribly surprising.

TheHateMachine
Nov 30, 2012, 01:31 PM
Almost all the people that buy an Android phone is because they don't have the money for an iPhone.

Maybe because of that they protect Android like it is the best because they don't accept they don't have the money for an iphone.


About android i think it is very insecure full of malware, virus and spyware, it is exactly like windows vs mac os x.

So expensive that it can be obtained for the insanely high price of $49.99! :rolleyes:

Oletros
Nov 30, 2012, 01:39 PM
Unlike AI where a balanced view from most of the regulars just isn't going to happen.

Well, you can't expect any balanced view when one of the star writers is Daniel Eran Dilger

cuzo
Nov 30, 2012, 02:25 PM
I think these guys are just tired of iOS and want something new, to be honest out the box iOS is just way superior.

onthecouchagain
Nov 30, 2012, 02:29 PM
I think these guys are just tired of iOS and want something new, to be honest out the box iOS is just way superior.

Patently false.

Unless by superior, you mean slightly easier to use. And even that is debatable. It's not that hard to figure out smartphones these days. To get to some of the more indepth features of Android, sure, there are learning curves.

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I think these guys are just tired of iOS and want something new.

True, to some degree. But you make it sound as if people are switching to Android just for the sake of something different.

It's that, but I think people are switching mainly because it does more things, and does more things better.

IFRIT
Nov 30, 2012, 02:32 PM
I think these guys are just tired of iOS and want something new, to be honest out the box iOS is just way superior.

This is the sort of comment that annoys me.

LIVEFRMNYC
Nov 30, 2012, 02:48 PM
This is the sort of comment that annoys me.

People sound like a Nazi when using the word superior to describe a phone.

siiip5
Nov 30, 2012, 03:16 PM
Patently false.

Unless by superior, you mean slightly easier to use. And even that is debatable. It's not that hard to figure out smartphones these days. To get to some of the more indepth features of Android, sure, there are learning curves.

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True, to some degree. But you make it sound as if people are switching to Android just for the sake of something different.

It's that, but I think people are switching mainly because it does more things, and does more things better.

I look at a smartphone and believe in order for it to be smart, it should be able to do basic computer functions. With the iphone and ipad, Apple has taken this away from the user in an attempt to ensure the OS runs smoothly and people can't screw with the phone. Apple does everything in their power to maintain control.

Would you buy a laptop that didn't have a file manager, wouldn't let you download or uupload any type of file, prevent you from using a keyboard or mouse of your choice, not allow you to attach multiple files to your email, only allow you to conduct one operation or program at a time, prevent you from putting files and folders where you want on the home screen, prevent you from doing any sort of customization to alter the look of your screen, and so forth?
And then overcharge you for it. Somehow, I don't think many people would buy that computer.

This is why I can't include Apple in the Smartphone category. Or the iPad as a true laptop replacement. Just to restrictive. I am sitting here typing this out on a mini bluetooth flexible keyboard and using a BT mouse with my Nexus 7. Other than the S3 or Note2 having a smaller screen, they can do the exact same thing and replace my laptop, if need be. The iPhone is literally a touch screen, feature phone. Nothing more. iPad falls under this same heading. And that is why many people dump the iDevice in favor of a mobile device that can function more like a PC.

onthecouchagain
Nov 30, 2012, 03:30 PM
I look at a smartphone and believe in order for it to be smart, it should be able to do basic computer functions. With the iphone and ipad, Apple has taken this away from the user in an attempt to ensure the OS runs smoothly and people can't screw with the phone. Apple does everything in their power to maintain control.

Would you buy a laptop that didn't have a file manager, wouldn't let you download or uupload any type of file, prevent you from using a keyboard or mouse of your choice, not allow you to attach multiple files to your email, only allow you to conduct one operation or program at a time, prevent you from putting files and folders where you want on the home screen, prevent you from doing any sort of customization to alter the look of your screen, and so forth?
And then overcharge you for it. Somehow, I don't think many people would buy that computer.

This is why I can't include Apple in the Smartphone category. Or the iPad as a true laptop replacement. Just to restrictive. I am sitting here typing this out on a mini bluetooth flexible keyboard and using a BT mouse with my Nexus 7. Other than the S3 or Note2 having a smaller screen, they can do the exact same thing and replace my laptop, if need be. The iPhone is literally a touch screen, feature phone. Nothing more. iPad falls under this same heading. And that is why many people dump the iDevice in favor of a mobile device that can function more like a PC.

You make a solid case.

That's why I enjoy my iPad. I require much less of my tablet than I do of my smartphone.

tbayrgs
Nov 30, 2012, 03:43 PM
I look at a smartphone and believe in order for it to be smart, it should be able to do basic computer functions. With the iphone and ipad, Apple has taken this away from the user in an attempt to ensure the OS runs smoothly and people can't screw with the phone. Apple does everything in their power to maintain control.

Would you buy a laptop that didn't have a file manager, wouldn't let you download or uupload any type of file, prevent you from using a keyboard or mouse of your choice, not allow you to attach multiple files to your email, only allow you to conduct one operation or program at a time, prevent you from putting files and folders where you want on the home screen, prevent you from doing any sort of customization to alter the look of your screen, and so forth?
And then overcharge you for it. Somehow, I don't think many people would buy that computer.

This is why I can't include Apple in the Smartphone category. Or the iPad as a true laptop replacement. Just to restrictive. I am sitting here typing this out on a mini bluetooth flexible keyboard and using a BT mouse with my Nexus 7. Other than the S3 or Note2 having a smaller screen, they can do the exact same thing and replace my laptop, if need be. The iPhone is literally a touch screen, feature phone. Nothing more. iPad falls under this same heading. And that is why many people dump the iDevice in favor of a mobile device that can function more like a PC.

No debate from me, Android devices offer a greater amount of capabilities and flexibility but I'm sorry, the picture you paint of the iPhone/iPad as feature phones is a touch ridiculous.

You have very specific needs from your devices--Apple can't meet all of those needs so Android is a better fit--understood. But to claim that everyone else using an Android device is doing so for the same reasons is quite a bit of a stretch. You really think the general public needs their phone to be a laptop replacement and unless it can do that, it's not a capable phone? It's called a smartphone, not a laptop phone.

Both devices offer a ton of functionality, far too many to list and many of which are done far better than computers of not too long ago yet you basically classified the iPhone in the same category as the Moto Razr flip phone. Sorry, that's just ignorant or flamebait.

And I'm typing this on my iPad with a bluetooth keyboard as well, not that I need to. Also why on earth do you want to use a bluetooth mouse on a device designed to be used as a touch device in the first place? Do you find touch screens and their keyboards too cumbersome to use? Sounds like a different device might be right up your alley, called a laptop--and you wouldn't even need to tote around that mouse. ;)

tbayrgs
Nov 30, 2012, 04:07 PM
And to address the OP's question--

People defend Android because, hard as it may be to believe :eek:, some of us don't wear rose colored Apple shaped glasses and are capable of objectively looking at the merits/flaws of any or all devices available to us.

I like MR quite a bit, more so since the creation of this sub-forum and have been a reasonably active member here for a couple of years but the blind loyalty of the Apple cult eventually wore me down as well. In fact, I find myself spending very little time here outside this forum as it's one of the few places where one can have a reasonably civil conversation/debate about things Apple or non-Apple, even though most of my tech is currently Apple gear (waiting anxiously to play with my new Nexus 4 ). I visit a couple of Android sites as well but find discussion there also tends to be a bit one-sided in the other direction. It's a relatively small group here but I've learned a lot more about non-Apple here than most other sites and enjoy the lively debate.

I love the standard (I'm paraphrasing of course) "why do you even come to MR if you aren't ready to swear loyalty to all things Apple and never say a bad thing about them, so help you Steve Jobs!". Last I checked, it's a site to get Apple news and discuss Apple products, not pledge your firstborn child to them.

siiip5
Nov 30, 2012, 07:16 PM
No debate from me, Android devices offer a greater amount of capabilities and flexibility but I'm sorry, the picture you paint of the iPhone/iPad as feature phones is a touch ridiculous.

You have very specific needs from your devices--Apple can't meet all of those needs so Android is a better fit--understood. But to claim that everyone else using an Android device is doing so for the same reasons is quite a bit of a stretch. You really think the general public needs their phone to be a laptop replacement and unless it can do that, it's not a capable phone? It's called a smartphone, not a laptop phone.

Both devices offer a ton of functionality, far too many to list and many of which are done far better than computers of not too long ago yet you basically classified the iPhone in the same category as the Moto Razr flip phone. Sorry, that's just ignorant or flamebait.

And I'm typing this on my iPad with a bluetooth keyboard as well, not that I need to. Also why on earth do you want to use a bluetooth mouse on a device designed to be used as a touch device in the first place? Do you find touch screens and their keyboards too cumbersome to use? Sounds like a different device might be right up your alley, called a laptop--and you wouldn't even need to tote around that mouse. ;)

Fair enough. My wording may have been a bit strong on calling the iPhone a 'feature phone and hence appear as flame bait. It isn't the first time I have called it a feature phone either. I will refrain from doing so in the future.
My beef is with Apple and their restrictions on iOS. It is very frustrating playing cat and mouse games with Apple when you have to jailbreak your iDevice to get functionality, to then have Apple do everything in their power to take that freedom away from you with the next update. So you either don't update and not get the new capabilities or wait months for a handful of people to find another exploit. Infuriating! I simply got tired of dealing with the b.s. and switched to Android. Very liberating feeling.

All that said, I simply don't view an iPhone as a smartphone. Too much basic functionality has been taken away. And I am referring to very, very basic things. Any computer type device should be able to access all of its files and folders. You should be able to save, transfer, delete, or edit any file, in any user folder. You should be able to upload or download files from your phone to or from web pages. You should be able to attach any file from your phone to an email, or multiple files from your folders.
These a basic functions that any PC, even the crappiest Net book can do, yet you can't with any iPhone or iPad. This makes no sense if you shell out $650 for a device designed to be a smartphone or laptop replacement. The capabilities are there for I devices to do these things, Apple simply won't let you.

As for my but mouse and keyboard, I take them to work or business trips via a backpack. I have no need for my MacBook Pro any more. My Nexus 7 can do everything my MBP can which is much easier to do with a mouse. (Photoshop, PowerPoint,etc)

Black Magic
Nov 30, 2012, 10:41 PM
Fair enough. My wording may have been a bit strong on calling the iPhone a 'feature phone and hence appear as flame bait. It isn't the first time I have called it a feature phone either. I will refrain from doing so in the future.
My beef is with Apple and their restrictions on iOS. It is very frustrating playing cat and mouse games with Apple when you have to jailbreak your iDevice to get functionality, to then have Apple do everything in their power to take that freedom away from you with the next update. So you either don't update and not get the new capabilities or wait months for a handful of people to find another exploit. Infuriating! I simply got tired of dealing with the b.s. and switched to Android. Very liberating feeling.

All that said, I simply don't view an iPhone as a smartphone. Too much basic functionality has been taken away. And I am referring to very, very basic things. Any computer type device should be able to access all of its files and folders. You should be able to save, transfer, delete, or edit any file, in any user folder. You should be able to upload or download files from your phone to or from web pages. You should be able to attach any file from your phone to an email, or multiple files from your folders.
These a basic functions that any PC, even the crappiest Net book can do, yet you can't with any iPhone or iPad. This makes no sense if you shell out $650 for a device designed to be a smartphone or laptop replacement. The capabilities are there for I devices to do these things, Apple simply won't let you.

As for my but mouse and keyboard, I take them to work or business trips via a backpack. I have no need for my MacBook Pro any more. My Nexus 7 can do everything my MBP can which is much easier to do with a mouse. (Photoshop, PowerPoint,etc)

The things you mention above that you consider basic features most people don't care about. Why does the average Joe need a file manager on a phone? The email capabilities are just fine for the most part. It allows you to send quick emails and such when on the go. The average Joe does not require the ability to send RAR files or being able to download torrents on the phone. Apple gets it. The market agrees apparently.

Techies/Geeks drool over android's openness and hardware specs because they like to tinker. Android is built by techies and geeks so it's a perfect fit. They are trying hard to mimic iPhone style and ease of use though.

SomeDudeAsking
Nov 30, 2012, 10:50 PM
The things you mention above that you consider basic features most people don't care about. Why does the average Joe need a file manager on a phone? The email capabilities are just fine for the most part. It allows you to send quick emails and such when on the go. The average Joe does not require the ability to send RAR files or being able to download torrents on the phone. Apple gets it. The market agrees apparently.

Techies/Geeks drool over android's openness and hardware specs because they like to tinker. Android is built by techies and geeks so it's a perfect fit. They are trying hard to mimic iPhone style and ease of use though.

iPhone and ease of use do not belong in the same sentence unless it is about how convoluted it is to use an iPhone for basic tasks.

Black Magic
Nov 30, 2012, 10:52 PM
iPhone and ease of use do not belong in the same sentence unless it is about how convoluted it is to use an iPhone for basic tasks.

Millions of owners would disagree with you but here in this thread and forum you can have your moment.

Dr McKay
Dec 1, 2012, 01:44 AM
If people are defending it, it means someone on here is firstly attacking it. Often some of the attacks I see are pure lies. Ive seen people doing the same with Windows too. If I see people lying about competition, I shall correct them.

adder7712
Dec 1, 2012, 03:55 AM
Because this forum is for iOS alternatives.

IFRIT
Dec 1, 2012, 04:26 AM
Because this forum is for iOS alternatives.

This thread was originally in the iPhone section.

Jibbajabba
Dec 1, 2012, 08:44 AM
Edit:never mind

nickchallis92
Dec 1, 2012, 01:40 PM
See, this is the great thing about Android.

iOS is easy to use but frustrating if you want more out of it

Android is as easy to use but if you want to tinker with it, you can without it getting in the way of basic functionality

in this day and age there is, for me, absolutely no reason to pick an iOS device.

Crooks
Dec 1, 2012, 07:53 PM
You make a solid case.

That's why I enjoy my iPad. I require much less of my tablet than I do of my smartphone.

I'm the opposite. I require more of my tablet. Which is why I have an i5 and a Nexus 7. I want my phone experience to be smoother, which I have found better on iOS. (NOT to say Android isn't smooth!!!). iOS apps are also better optimized IMO.

It's really just personal preference.

daveathall
Dec 2, 2012, 03:02 AM
Im not really sure why Android, iOS, Apple, Samsung etc etc are attacked/defended, I have both iOS and Android, Apple, LG and Samsung, I find that they compliment each other, I enjoy all the technology I have purchased, my next acquisition will be an iPad mini that my son is buying me for Christmas.

The way some members here go on one would think that they have a vested interest in company A or company B, what the members here should realise is, that in the final reckoning they are a means towards an end they are used to make the company and shareholders richer, thats it, the only loyalty these companies have is to their shareholders. There's nothing wrong with that, thats why they are in business.

Apollo 13
Dec 2, 2012, 03:30 AM
Because this forum has a lot of Android fanboys on it. I use to be one of them...signed up here before even owning anything Apple.

sotorious
Dec 2, 2012, 05:02 AM
I feel sick after reading this thread.

macrem
Dec 2, 2012, 01:33 PM
I look at a smartphone and believe in order for it to be smart, it should be able to do basic computer functions. With the iphone and ipad, Apple has taken this away from the user in an attempt to ensure the OS runs smoothly and people can't screw with the phone. Apple does everything in their power to maintain control.

Would you buy a laptop that didn't have a file manager, wouldn't let you download or uupload any type of file, prevent you from using a keyboard or mouse of your choice, not allow you to attach multiple files to your email, only allow you to conduct one operation or program at a time, prevent you from putting files and folders where you want on the home screen, prevent you from doing any sort of customization to alter the look of your screen, and so forth?
And then overcharge you for it. Somehow, I don't think many people would buy that computer.

This is why I can't include Apple in the Smartphone category. Or the iPad as a true laptop replacement. Just to restrictive. I am sitting here typing this out on a mini bluetooth flexible keyboard and using a BT mouse with my Nexus 7. Other than the S3 or Note2 having a smaller screen, they can do the exact same thing and replace my laptop, if need be. The iPhone is literally a touch screen, feature phone. Nothing more. iPad falls under this same heading. And that is why many people dump the iDevice in favor of a mobile device that can function more like a PC.
Apple isn't trying to maintain control over your devices... They've created an ecosystem where 9-10 people can do what they need to do without getting malware, spyware or bricking their devices. Those who want more control can easily jailbreak their devices. Although I tinker a lot with Linux, on iOS I'm happy not to have to & never jailbreak.

Android has its own restrictions, which is one reason why rooting Android is popular. The other reason is because your device manufacturer might not upgrade the ROM for your device, so either you're stuck with the same version or you root your device. This is why left Android (couldn't get built-in turn-by-turn navigation without rooting), but now I think there are more reliable manufacturers who offer regular updates.

With iOS, you always get the latest updates (until your device is no longer supported).

onthecouchagain
Dec 2, 2012, 01:49 PM
With iOS, you always get the latest updates (until your device is no longer supported).

But without the latest features. iPhone 4 owners missed out on Siri and are now missing out on Navigation. Both these are the main features of their respective devices.

Vegastouch
Dec 2, 2012, 01:52 PM
But without the latest features. iPhone 4 owners missed out on Siri and are now missing out on Navigation. Both these are the main features of their respective devices.

True and even with older Android devices, the Apps always get updated to the full version.

macrem
Dec 2, 2012, 02:03 PM
But without the latest features. iPhone 4 owners missed out on Siri and are now missing out on Navigation. Both these are the main features of their respective devices.
Good point. The iPad 3 got Siri during an upgrade but not the iPhone 4. I heard this is because some features wouldn't be buttery smooth on the 4. I'd bet this is true for the 4 but not so sure about the 4s.

Doc750
Dec 2, 2012, 02:15 PM
I've been lurking on some android forums, as soon as i find one i like, no more android talk on here. I'll just come for the mac discussion. besides this place is turning into what crackberry was when the iPhone first become popular. Just a bunch of angry fanboys afraid to try something new.

VulchR
Dec 2, 2012, 02:21 PM
I've been lurking on some android forums, as soon as i find one i like, no more android talk on here. I'll just come for the mac discussion. besides this place is turning into what crackberry was when the iPhone first become popular. Just a bunch of angry fanboys afraid to try something new.

Good to know. There are fans of the iPhone here who aren't angry about, or afraid of, Android. They just prefer iOS (as many BB fans prefer BB, WP fans prefer WP, and Android fans prefer Android). Whatever floats your boat....