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MacRumors
Jul 1, 2011, 03:52 PM
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With Apple having seeded (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/01/os-x-lion-golden-master-seeded-to-developers/) the Golden Master (GM) version of OS X Lion earlier today, users are finally getting a look at what the OS X Lion experience should be like in the shipping version.

One staple of Mac OS X installations over the past several versions has been the welcome video that displays at first boot, displaying an animation of the word "Welcome" in a number of different languages and set to the song "Exodus Honey" by Honeycut [iTunes link (http://itunes.apple.com/us/album/exodus-honey/id174734238?i=174735019)]:

RsgTNUNxlas
Unfortunately for fans of the video, neither the previous welcome video nor a new one appears to be included in the GM version of OS X Lion. While a welcome video could conceivably still be added at the last minute, previous OS X releases have seen the video included in GM seeds.

Instead, OS X Lion boots straight into Setup Assistant to help users get up and running. And one new addition to Setup Assistant is an introduction to Multi-Touch scrolling, offering users a glimpse at the enhanced Multi-Touch features included in the new operating system.

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The text and image are customized depending on the input device being used, such as a Magic Mouse or built-in trackpad.

OS X Lion is set to be released to the public later this month and will be available exclusively through the Mac App Store for $29.99.

Article Link: Booting OS X Lion GM: No Welcome Video, New Introduction to Scrolling (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/01/booting-os-x-lion-gm-no-welcome-video-new-introduction-to-scrolling/)



dethmaShine
Jul 1, 2011, 03:55 PM
I'm sure the video will be there. They just aren't showing that in the GM build. I'm pretty sure there was no video in the GM builds for SL. Some one correct me if I'm wrong.

Slix
Jul 1, 2011, 03:56 PM
Or for those of us that don't have a touch input device for their Mac yet... No tutorial.

Matthew Yohe
Jul 1, 2011, 03:58 PM
I'm sure the video will be there. They just aren't showing that in the GM build. I'm pretty sure there was no video in the GM builds for SL. Some one correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

Compile 'em all
Jul 1, 2011, 03:59 PM
I'm sure the video will be there. They just aren't showing that in the GM build. I'm pretty sure there was no video in the GM builds for SL. Some one correct me if I'm wrong.

GM is a GM. It is not a RC. It is the final product.

libizboy74
Jul 1, 2011, 04:00 PM
Perhaps they've left it out to maximize space for those machines with SSD's...

davebarnes
Jul 1, 2011, 04:01 PM
The video was similar to a website splash page.
Useless.

Yamcha
Jul 1, 2011, 04:01 PM
I always liked the start up video, but I guess its not the biggest deal..

nerdo
Jul 1, 2011, 04:02 PM
App store download, so maybe trying to maximize download for OS and not a splashscreen video? Although I'm not sure how big the video really was. To be honest I'm glad if they drop it, always hated it.


Pretty sure they are still trying to get the sound synced with the new video, but they made the mistake of using FCPX

arjen92
Jul 1, 2011, 04:03 PM
With the new FCPX it wasn't possible for them to make a new video.

dagamer34
Jul 1, 2011, 04:03 PM
I'm sure the video will be there. They just aren't showing that in the GM build. I'm pretty sure there was no video in the GM builds for SL. Some one correct me if I'm wrong.

Aren't the Leopard and Snow Leopard "Welcome" videos the same?

MacHiavelli
Jul 1, 2011, 04:03 PM
Where does the video live on a Mac in Snow Leopard?

-Ryan-
Jul 1, 2011, 04:04 PM
GM is a GM. It is not a RC. It is the final product.

The definition Apple uses of GM does not necessarily mean it is the final product. For example, Apple posted a second GM build for iOS 4.2.

Vol7ron
Jul 1, 2011, 04:06 PM
With the new FCPX it wasn't possible for them to make a new video.

oh snap....So i guess the next version of Final Cut X will allow them to make a video....for 10.8

CindyRed
Jul 1, 2011, 04:06 PM
Of course the video will be there. The video is now going to be the entire feature length film; 'Birth of a Nation' directed by D.W.Griffith from 1915. Since it's a silent film, they'll be using all the covers and variations of Justin Bieber's 'Baby' as the soundtrack. They just want to surprise us with this bold new intro video choice.

WestonHarvey1
Jul 1, 2011, 04:07 PM
Well. That settles it. Clearly Apple feels that Mac users are no longer welcome.

Post PC era indeed.

Time to switch to Windows.

zombierunner
Jul 1, 2011, 04:07 PM
To quote John McEnroe - "You Cannot Be Serious!"

dethmaShine
Jul 1, 2011, 04:07 PM
You're wrong.

Did Apple include an intro video in a SL GM build?

bdkennedy1
Jul 1, 2011, 04:12 PM
If this is the Gold Master, then there will be no video. Gold Master means finished - no changes. It is the version of the software that will be released to the public if there are no outstanding "show-stoppers".

Ruahrc
Jul 1, 2011, 04:12 PM
I have to say I'm not bothered by it being gone- in fact I like the fact that it's not there. The less "filler" data there is the better. This video only gets played once and then sits on the HD forever, taking up space. Sure hard drives are bigger than ever now, but that is no excuse to waste it needlessly.

res1233
Jul 1, 2011, 04:13 PM
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You're wrong.

Did Apple include an intro video in a SL GM build?

They did since they used the same vid as they did in leopard.

WildCowboy
Jul 1, 2011, 04:13 PM
Did Apple include an intro video in a SL GM build?

Yes, as I noted in the article. ;)

kayloh20
Jul 1, 2011, 04:13 PM
App store download, so maybe trying to maximize download for OS and not a splashscreen video? Although I'm not sure how big the video really was. To be honest I'm glad if they drop it, always hated it.

Looks like Apple is becoming all touchy feely.. groovy!

It was only 20 MB

Where does the video live on a Mac in Snow Leopard?

/System/Library/CoreServices/Setup Assistant.app/Contents/Resources/TransitionSection.bundle/Contents/Resources

Russell L
Jul 1, 2011, 04:14 PM
I was hoping for the MGM Lion to appear, roaring out of the Apple logo....

milbournosphere
Jul 1, 2011, 04:15 PM
Yes, I was wrong. Back on topic, I will miss the video; I thought it was a nice touch.

Compile 'em all
Jul 1, 2011, 04:15 PM
The definition Apple uses of GM does not necessarily mean it is the final product. For example, Apple posted a second GM build for iOS 4.2.

I don't really see the point you are trying to make. This is not an iOS release.

Matthew Yohe
Jul 1, 2011, 04:16 PM
Did Apple include an intro video in a SL GM build?

Same video that was in Leopard.

pmz
Jul 1, 2011, 04:18 PM
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It would have been cool if they had a hi def video of a lion walking toward the camera, then it freezes frame and fades into being desktop wallpaper.

MacHiavelli
Jul 1, 2011, 04:18 PM
It was only 20 MB



/System/Library/CoreServices/Setup Assistant.app/Contents/Resources/TransitionSection.bundle/Contents/Resources

Thanks for that

dethmaShine
Jul 1, 2011, 04:18 PM
Yes, as I noted in the article. ;)

My bad.

Thanks for pointing that out.

res1233
Jul 1, 2011, 04:18 PM
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That's because it's not a new OS. It's a glorified service pack. It requires 10.6 to install, is only available as a download on the app store, there's no option to install on a formatted disk, etc. From what I can tell, it's basically a collection of libraries that installs over Snow Leopard.

Don't get me wrong, the added features in Lion are cool, and Snow Leopard is a solid base to build from. But I would call it more of a large patch than a new OS.

It really depends on your definition I guess... Lion is making many changes, both under the hood and over it. There's even a real possibility that some apps will have compatibility problems. Sounds to me like more than just a service pack.

PeckhamBog
Jul 1, 2011, 04:19 PM
Will I need to acquire track pads for my iMacs to be able to use all the gestures, or will my magic mice be sufficient (even if they are a little cramped)?

L-U-R-C-H
Jul 1, 2011, 04:19 PM
Haha yeah I was gonna say maybe they had too much trouble composing a new video with the new Final Cut Pro X.

:cool:

MacHiavelli
Jul 1, 2011, 04:21 PM
Anyone know if VMWare Fusion plays nicely with Lion?

TIA

winston1236
Jul 1, 2011, 04:23 PM
i always left the room to go get something to eat during the video anyway:eek:

res1233
Jul 1, 2011, 04:23 PM
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Will I need to acquire track pads for my iMacs to be able to use all the gestures, or will my magic mice be sufficient (even if they are a little cramped)?

Not every swipe is ergonomically sound on a mouse, so not every feature will be present, however, most of the important ones are. With that said, swiping on a trackpad is a bit easier due to the much larger surface to work with.

milbournosphere
Jul 1, 2011, 04:25 PM
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It really depends on your definition I guess... Lion is making many changes, both under the hood and over it. There's even a real possibility that some apps will have compatibility problems. Sounds to me like more than just a service pack.

Yeah, but given the push for touch interfaces and the merging of OS and iOS features, I would've expected a cleaner cut. The whole install process just seems cludgy to me; it just feels more like an add-on to SL than a clean install of Lion. At least it's only 30 bucks :)

CindyRed
Jul 1, 2011, 04:25 PM
It was only 20 MB



/System/Library/CoreServices/Setup Assistant.app/Contents/Resources/TransitionSection.bundle/Contents/Resources

20 MB???? That's almost 10 minutes of pornography! Priorities, man!

pmz
Jul 1, 2011, 04:26 PM
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The magic track pad & lion are meant for each other in every way. One should not ignore this.

I have both the mouse and pad while the mouse is good, the pad is great. It feels like it should. Nothing wrong with using the trackpad as your primary an having that mouse nearby for those creative design times.

ssdeg7
Jul 1, 2011, 04:27 PM
I won't miss the video, lets just hope this GM works fine, not like iOS 4.2 GM seed which had WiFi problems which delayed the final release

RMo
Jul 1, 2011, 04:33 PM
Unfortunately for fans of the video...

Luckily, there are none. Finally, I can stop wasting precious minutes of my day after I install OS X. :D

flashframe
Jul 1, 2011, 04:33 PM
I was hoping for the MGM Lion to appear, roaring out of the Apple logo....

You, of course, recognized the eyes of the lion masquerading as a quasar, no?

discounteggroll
Jul 1, 2011, 04:35 PM
wait...there are actual fans of that stupid video? After imaging, reinstalling and upgrading high hundreds if not thousands of user accounts/machines I can say I am happy I can get those future spare hours of my life back to me. That music sends a chill down my spine every time I hear it, and I want to punch people when they have it as their goddamn ringtone

iSee
Jul 1, 2011, 04:36 PM
Unfortunately for fans of the video...
What?!?
Really, does the welcome video have lots of fans?
Like people who throw put it on and and have "welcome" parties with their like-minded friends?
As if I was chatting around the water cooler with the guys, wondering how cool the next Welcome video would be?
;)

Edit: ha, now I'm reading other posts on this thread -- seems like I wasn't the only one who thought that was a funny phrase

RMo
Jul 1, 2011, 04:36 PM
Or for those of us that don't have a touch input device for their Mac yet... No tutorial.

How do you know? The summary says: "The text and image are customized depending on the input device being used, such as a Magic Mouse or built-in trackpad." I'm sure they say something if you're using a "traditional" mouse--or do you have Lion and can confirm?

AriX
Jul 1, 2011, 04:38 PM
That's because it's not a new OS. It's a glorified service pack. It requires 10.6 to install, is only available as a download on the app store, there's no option to install on a formatted disk, etc. From what I can tell, it's basically a collection of libraries that installs over Snow Leopard.

Don't get me wrong, the added features in Lion are cool, and Snow Leopard is a solid base to build from. But I would call it more of a large patch than a new OS.

That's not true. 10.7 is its own operating system - Apple is just choosing to distribute it in a way that will promote the use of the Mac App Store.

In reality, the 10.7 installer bootstraps an installer that functions just like older OSes (10.6 and prior). In fact, the 10.7 installer contains a fully bootable volume that could be burned to a DVD or USB drive and used as an installer disk, which is capable of installing Lion onto an empty drive.

Lesser Evets
Jul 1, 2011, 04:38 PM
R.I.P.--it will not be missed.

Eduardo1971
Jul 1, 2011, 04:38 PM
With the new FCPX it wasn't possible for them to make a new video.

That is funny!!! Good job!:D

musio
Jul 1, 2011, 04:39 PM
That's because it's not a new OS. It's a glorified service pack. It requires 10.6 to install, is only available as a download on the app store, there's no option to install on a formatted disk, etc. From what I can tell, it's basically a collection of libraries that installs over Snow Leopard.


That's a shocker of a post!
How much truth is in that? Just an overwrite of old files?

HiRez
Jul 1, 2011, 04:42 PM
I hate that stupid video because you can't exit it early, and you can't turn the volume down until it's done playing.

wordoflife
Jul 1, 2011, 04:47 PM
The welcome video is the best part. Perhaps they are saving the best for last.


I hate that stupid video because you can't exit it early, and you can't turn the volume down until it's done playing.

Yeah you can ...

rorschach
Jul 1, 2011, 04:47 PM
The definition Apple uses of GM does not necessarily mean it is the final product. For example, Apple posted a second GM build for iOS 4.2.

The ONLY reason that happened was because there was a showstopping bug with Wi-Fi in the iPad build. That was the only change in the second GM build. The difference was so minor that Apple told developers not to resubmit their apps that had been built for original GM build.

The GM has always been the final release unless there is a showstopping bug. Even then, any other GM builds are released only to fix the bug.

sine-nomine
Jul 1, 2011, 04:47 PM
Wow, lots of video hate. I actually kind of liked it - it reminded me of when I started using a Mac for the first time and how great the experience was. It was just one of those little things that made getting a new one feel special. It seems with each new version, the little special bits are getting weeded out.

Kissaragi
Jul 1, 2011, 04:48 PM
That video used to drive me mad, hope its gone!

Slurpy2k8
Jul 1, 2011, 04:56 PM
Good. It was cool the first time I saw it, years and years ago. Tiger? Now, not so much. Just an annoyance.

ipearx
Jul 1, 2011, 05:00 PM
Less for users to download
Less for Apple to share
Less HD/SSD space used up for something only viewed once

bwillwall
Jul 1, 2011, 05:05 PM
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DX that's one of my favorite things about buying a Mac. Why would they break a tradition like that? It better be there...

johnhw
Jul 1, 2011, 05:12 PM
I'm guessing they will include a welcome video on Lion shipping with new Macs, a welcome video on an upgrade is really pointless.. IMO.

adder7712
Jul 1, 2011, 05:16 PM
Or the Lion intro will be identical to the one in Leopard/Snow Leopard and only appears on first boots?

justinfreid
Jul 1, 2011, 05:19 PM
They could leave a YouTube link on the desktop for those who are interested...
The video goes against the philosophy of getting out of the user's way - even if it could easily be skipped, the fewer steps to a successful install the better.

NutsNGum
Jul 1, 2011, 05:21 PM
The video now only plays when your computer breaks.

exodus
Jul 1, 2011, 05:24 PM
why does the mouse in the picture look sorta funny. The light makes it look like a rounded edge instead of the crisp edge of the magic mouse. maybe its me...

mdriftmeyer
Jul 1, 2011, 05:26 PM
That's because it's not a new OS. It's a glorified service pack. It requires 10.6 to install, is only available as a download on the app store, there's no option to install on a formatted disk, etc. From what I can tell, it's basically a collection of libraries that installs over Snow Leopard.

Don't get me wrong, the added features in Lion are cool, and Snow Leopard is a solid base to build from. But I would call it more of a large patch than a new OS.

Actually, 10.7 is a bigger advancement in APIs, foundation, performance and usability than 10.6.

GCD, LLVM/Clang/LLDB/Libc++/Compiler-RT/, OpenGL 3.2 system-wide, 1500 new APIs, OpenCL 1.1, Xcode 4 complete rewrite, etc., are just a few advancements over 10.6.

JakeRev
Jul 1, 2011, 05:31 PM
Do I need a dev account for installing GM version of Lion?? I wanna know ASAP!!!

benthewraith
Jul 1, 2011, 05:32 PM
20 MB???? That's almost 10 minutes of pornography! Priorities, man!

That must be some terrible quality porn.

scottlinux
Jul 1, 2011, 05:32 PM
DX that's one of my favorite things about buying a Mac. Why would they break a tradition like that? It better be there...

Yeah but for IT folks who have to install OS X many times frequently, that 'tradition' is a pain.

And after seeing it for two OS X releases now the video has lost its charm. :)

benthewraith
Jul 1, 2011, 05:34 PM
You know what would be nice... the ability to connect to 802.1x wireless networks during the initial setup.

soapsuds
Jul 1, 2011, 05:45 PM
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Besides the download cost (or at least perceived cost, as 20 MB out of a several GB download is meaningless), I wonder if they also are planning ahead for "retina" displays and don't want a user's first experience to be an upscaled video.

skyline r34
Jul 1, 2011, 05:45 PM
I'm not to excited about apple's OS's anymore, sense leopard debut Mac OS X looks exactly the same but with new features but you know i'm going to buy it

Bubba Satori
Jul 1, 2011, 05:46 PM
I was hoping for the MGM Lion to appear, roaring out of the Apple logo....

That would require a sense of humor.

scottsjack
Jul 1, 2011, 05:55 PM
I don't really see the point you are trying to make. This is not an iOS release.

There's still a difference?

chinesechikn
Jul 1, 2011, 05:56 PM
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I can't believe all the haters...

I think for all those mums and dads or kids who plug in their first Mac, it is a cool thing.
To those IT professionals complaining that it wastes "hours" of their life, c'mon... you are a tiny percentage.

Maybe apple should configure the "Esc" to exit the video, then EVERYONE will be happy. Oh, then there are those who complain about the hard disk space!... Ok, it also self destructs. Now is everyone ok with that setup?

On a slightly more serious note, I sometime reflect... If this was a windows community talking about a pending windows release, nobody would care about a welcome video, it would be about compatibility, should I install it, wait until SP1, is "Home Business Ultimate" as good as "Professional Basic", drivers, dll, hardware....

Phew, let's debate the welcome video, now where were we...

BlueHedgehog
Jul 1, 2011, 05:59 PM
Two things would be nice:
1) A Welcome video that isn't the same as Leopard/Snow Leopard
2) An option to skip the video if necessary (maybe informing the user before it plays)

That's just my opinion

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Maybe apple should configure the "Esc" to exit the video, then EVERYONE will be happy. Oh, then there are those who complain about the hard disk space!... Ok, it also self destructs. Now is everyone ok with that setup?



Nice, and thanks for the post!

Blakeasd
Jul 1, 2011, 06:03 PM
No welcome video? :(
I think I'm going to be sick
:D

jmull
Jul 1, 2011, 06:06 PM
Thank the Sun, I hated that welcome animation crap.

G4DP
Jul 1, 2011, 06:11 PM
That would require a sense of humor.

The last time we saw that was the coffin with OS9 in it. Many many years ago.

vartanarsen
Jul 1, 2011, 06:11 PM
Is NOT new.
Why is Apple pulling it off as a new feature?

CristobalHuet
Jul 1, 2011, 06:12 PM
Is NOT new.
Why is Apple pulling it off as a new feature?

The reverse 2-finger scroll is. :rolleyes:

Lennholm
Jul 1, 2011, 06:19 PM
Good riddance to that awful, annoying video

The video now only plays when your computer breaks.

Oh, it's the new kernel panic screen? Damn, I wanted the verbose one back

milbournosphere
Jul 1, 2011, 06:22 PM
Actually, 10.7 is a bigger advancement in APIs, foundation, performance and usability than 10.6.

GCD, LLVM/Clang/LLDB/Libc++/Compiler-RT/, OpenGL 3.2 system-wide, 1500 new APIs, OpenCL 1.1, Xcode 4 complete rewrite, etc., are just a few advancements over 10.6.

Thanks for the correction. Gotta keep things straight around here. :) Back on topic, I always thought the little video was a nice touch. It will be missed.

SgtPepper12
Jul 1, 2011, 06:22 PM
The welcome video always reminded me of those crappy flash intros on some websites in the early 2000s. I hope they don't include it any longer.

Duncan-UK
Jul 1, 2011, 06:41 PM
to be honest whilst i'll be getting Lion, I'm quite disillusioned with the ceaseless hype from Apple about their progressive OS changes.

It all sounds so juvenile and banal to crow about how "awesome" and "cool" the supposed changes are - do they have any idea how immature and childish they sound as middle aged men using such language in their promo videos?

Maybe its me being English and therefore having no tolerance for earnestness...

Or maybe its the fact that despite the endless hype Leopard didnt seem to really do much more than Tiger, and SL seemed an embarassed admission of the many flaws within Leopard.

I cant get too excited over a new look to a mail program that I will never use.

wrldwzrd89
Jul 1, 2011, 06:46 PM
The lack of a video seems to be going along with the start of a new era for Apple - I'll call it the "digital distribution" era. First the App Store, then the Mac App Store, then Lion being distributed electronically, and now this... it all fits together like a giant puzzle that even the developers couldn't see all the pieces of. That said... it will be missed. I have fond memories of the older intro videos.

MTShipp
Jul 1, 2011, 06:51 PM
I noticed that when GM went live on my App Store account, the Preview 1-3 became disabled but did not disappear. Only Preview 4 and GM can be downloaded now.

Porco
Jul 1, 2011, 06:51 PM
aww, but I've just about forgotten how to say 'welcome' in a variety of languages... what will I do now!? :p

KALLT
Jul 1, 2011, 06:54 PM
I actually liked the welcome video. For me it was just like a warm welcome to a new user experience. I don't mind that they are going to remove it though. It's not ground-breaking but a little less quirky.

ouimetnick
Jul 1, 2011, 06:59 PM
I'm excited for Lion! But with say new Macs that have Lion, they will ship a CD with Lion on it for restoring right? Or will they want you to use that recovery partition? That recovery partition is moot if your drive failed, or is upgraded though.

I certainly hope that I can make a bootable DVD like people can with the beta. It will be nice, as regardless what OS (Windows Mac OS, Linux) I ALWAYS back up what I want, then wipe the drive, and start fresh.

wrldwzrd89
Jul 1, 2011, 07:02 PM
I'm excited for Lion! But with say new Macs that have Lion, they will ship a CD with Lion on it for restoring right? Or will they want you to use that recovery partition? That recovery partition is moot if your drive failed, or is upgraded though.

I certainly hope that I can make a bootable DVD like people can with the beta. It will be nice, as regardless what OS (Windows Mac OS, Linux) I ALWAYS back up what I want, then wipe the drive, and start fresh.
I suspect Apple will go the USB key route with new Macs. Faster than a DVD, for one thing. Regarding your other point, it appears that you CAN make a DVD from the Lion installer downloaded from the Mac App Store but you have to do some poking around to make it work.

ouimetnick
Jul 1, 2011, 07:04 PM
I suspect Apple will go the USB key route with new Macs. Faster than a DVD, for one thing. Regarding your other point, it appears that you CAN make a DVD from the Lion installer downloaded from the Mac App Store but you have to do some poking around to make it work.

So you can make a bootable DVD of lion with the GM? I know it can be done with the betas, but my brother is insisting it will not be in the final release. I don't know why he thinks that, but I hope he is wrong.

CindyRed
Jul 1, 2011, 07:10 PM
That must be some terrible quality porn.

Don't judge me! *Gets back to stick figure animated gif porn*

Joelb955
Jul 1, 2011, 07:11 PM
I have always loved the Intro Video Especially after a fresh install. If they get rid of it that would seriously suck. Maybe apple is still testing the lion waters. Like they did with the DP's Notice how all of the "Dumb" Features were removed like the default of no running app indicators. If they see the community does not like it they will change it.

NJRonbo
Jul 1, 2011, 07:12 PM
Regarding the question about Magic Mouse
vs. Magic Pad.

Ditch the mouse. Magic Pad is made for Lion!

So much better to use and it seems to support
more gestures.

dethmaShine
Jul 1, 2011, 07:15 PM
Actually, 10.7 is a bigger advancement in APIs, foundation, performance and usability than 10.6.

GCD, LLVM/Clang/LLDB/Libc++/Compiler-RT/, OpenGL 3.2 system-wide, 1500 new APIs, OpenCL 1.1, Xcode 4 complete rewrite, etc., are just a few advancements over 10.6.

You said new API's; but I'll just break that up and say: New API's and AVFoundation.

\All hail AVFoundation/

Wayfarer
Jul 1, 2011, 07:18 PM
That's because it's not a new OS. It's a glorified service pack. It requires 10.6 to install, is only available as a download on the app store, there's no option to install on a formatted disk, etc. From what I can tell, it's basically a collection of libraries that installs over Snow Leopard.

Don't get me wrong, the added features in Lion are cool, and Snow Leopard is a solid base to build from. But I would call it more of a large patch than a new OS.

Shut your mouth please. Thank you. :o

the vj
Jul 1, 2011, 07:31 PM
They tried to do it in Final Cut Pro X LOLOLOL!!!!!!!! :cool:

bigjohn
Jul 1, 2011, 07:56 PM
If it's available through the App Store later this month and they don't need to bother with packaging or disc pressing, why not make it available tomorrow?

weing
Jul 1, 2011, 08:02 PM
If it's available through the App Store later this month and they don't need to bother with packaging or disc pressing, why not make it available tomorrow?
I am still holding out hope they will relent and offer a disc version on this. I even live in a major city and still can only get DSL. It would take me 8 hours to download this. and just what happens to their servers on D day when tens of millions are trying to download a 4 GB file?

Blakeco123
Jul 1, 2011, 08:08 PM
I'm sure the video will be there. They just aren't showing that in the GM build. I'm pretty sure there was no video in the GM builds for SL. Some one correct me if I'm wrong.

The video was there because it was the same as the leopard video, however in leopard the video was in the gm but it was a set to the same music as tiger intro video. so maybe they just aren't finished yet?

Alexander
Jul 1, 2011, 08:09 PM
I am still holding out hope they will relent and offer a disc version on this. I even live in a major city and still can only get DSL. It would take me 8 hours to download this. and just what happens to their servers on D day when tens of millions are trying to download a 4 GB file?

There's this little company called Akamai...

eah2119
Jul 1, 2011, 08:37 PM
I actually kind of liked it. How many people want to start up their computer for the first time and have it tell you to set everything up? It's cool to have a little video and dance to welcome you to your next best friend. It gives the computer a bit of a personality. I mean, what are people going to say when they first turn on their Mac? "Oh wow, this is nice. Welcome to you too."

They could change the song that went along with it though. do-do-da-do-do. lol

itsokay
Jul 1, 2011, 08:44 PM
“It is only at the first encounter that a face makes its full impression on us.”
~arthur schopenhauer

rorschach
Jul 1, 2011, 08:49 PM
It's called marketing.

Which do you think will help sell more copies:

"OS X Lion introduces over 250 amazing new features. The world's most advanced OS is now even more powerful and will change the way you use your computer."

or

"OS X Lion introduces some new features. Not everyone will use all of them, but we think they're pretty decent. Check it out when you have time."

to be honest whilst i'll be getting Lion, I'm quite disillusioned with the ceaseless hype from Apple about their progressive OS changes.

It all sounds so juvenile and banal to crow about how "awesome" and "cool" the supposed changes are - do they have any idea how immature and childish they sound as middle aged men using such language in their promo videos?

Maybe its me being English and therefore having no tolerance for earnestness...

Or maybe its the fact that despite the endless hype Leopard didnt seem to really do much more than Tiger, and SL seemed an embarassed admission of the many flaws within Leopard.

I cant get too excited over a new look to a mail program that I will never use.

kiljoy616
Jul 1, 2011, 08:50 PM
Its possible that you will get it if you get it pre-installed when the new machines start bringing it. But for now it just take up not so much SSD room as bandwidth which is not going to be fun when it comes to downloading this big boy.

Either way, I like the video if nothing else, its part of the Mac experience brings a smile when ever I see it.

Now all the windows trolls can comment. ROFL

skinnylegs
Jul 1, 2011, 08:52 PM
I can live without the Welcome video but if they screw with the startup chime.....

mrgraff
Jul 1, 2011, 08:53 PM
I was having a hell of time getting Tiger on an old Mac Book to upgrade to Snow Leopard last week, so I took to a Genius Bar. They sold me a "Mac Box Set" and I decided to sit there for 40 minutes and do the install in the store to make sure it worked.

When the time came for the intro video to play, the Apple Store employees actually rolled their eyes in disgust and asked me to turn it down. Nobody likes that video!

kiljoy616
Jul 1, 2011, 08:57 PM
I actually kind of liked it. How many people want to start up their computer for the first time and have it tell you to set everything up? It's cool to have a little video and dance to welcome you to your next best friend. It gives the computer a bit of a personality. I mean, what are people going to say when they first turn on their Mac? "Oh wow, this is nice. Welcome to you too."

They could change the song that went along with it though. do-do-da-do-do. lol

I personally rather have this as the theme song, oh yea baby never gets old every time I listen to it.
Queen: A Kind Of Magic (1986)
Princes Of The Universe

And two Katanas rather than the X. :D

Nielsenius
Jul 1, 2011, 09:28 PM
I was having a hell of time getting Tiger on an old Mac Book to upgrade to Snow Leopard last week, so I took to a Genius Bar. They sold me a "Mac Box Set" and I decided to sit there for 40 minutes and do the install in the store to make sure it worked.

When the time came for the intro video to play, the Apple Store employees actually rolled their eyes in disgust and asked me to turn it down. Nobody likes that video!
Hahaha I don't blame them! They probably hear that tune every 15 minutes.

dlimes13
Jul 1, 2011, 09:47 PM
I hate that stupid video because you can't exit it early, and you can't turn the volume down until it's done playing.

You can adjust the volume, backlight and backlit keyboard levels all while playing. I do it all the time after a fresh install.

*LTD*
Jul 1, 2011, 09:59 PM
I can live without the Welcome video but if they screw with the startup chime.....

I wanna see all the extensions loading. :D

http://images.wikia.com/ipod/images/4/4a/Mac_OS_7.5_System_Extension.png

Okaaaay . . . sound manager, AppleTalk, QuickTime Musical Instruments . . . Clipping Extension . . . QuickDraw . . .

MacGeek87
Jul 1, 2011, 10:05 PM
Where does the video live on a Mac in Snow Leopard?

It's buried... deep.


Open your HDD, then go to /System/Library/CoreServices. Find the Setup Assistant.app, right-click on it and click "show package contents" then go to Contents/Resources. Find TransitionSection.Bundle, right click on it and click "show package contents" then go to Contents/Resources/. The movie (intro.mov) and sound (intro-sound.mp3) are separate files. I put them together in iMovie and put them on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyiwwfJInpE

Taz Mangus
Jul 1, 2011, 10:17 PM
That's because it's not a new OS. It's a glorified service pack. It requires 10.6 to install, is only available as a download on the app store, there's no option to install on a formatted disk, etc. From what I can tell, it's basically a collection of libraries that installs over Snow Leopard.

Don't get me wrong, the added features in Lion are cool, and Snow Leopard is a solid base to build from. But I would call it more of a large patch than a new OS.

First of all, Apple does not do service packs. Apple calls major O/S releases upgrades. This idea that unless Apple numbers their major O/S release as whole number bumps, they are just releasing a "service pack" is just plain silly.

Until you have used Lion please stop making silly statements about something for which you have no experience or knowledge about. No one is forcing you to upgrade to Lion. Think of it this way, you will save yourself $30 that you could use toward a nice Microsoft product.

If you think you can do a better job then Apple at producing software then by all means start your own company and show Apple how it is suppose to be done.

Nebulance
Jul 1, 2011, 10:27 PM
... who cares?

Nebulance
Jul 1, 2011, 10:29 PM
I wanna see all the extensions loading. :D

Image (http://images.wikia.com/ipod/images/4/4a/Mac_OS_7.5_System_Extension.png)

Okaaaay . . . sound manager, AppleTalk, QuickTime Musical Instruments . . . Clipping Extension . . . QuickDraw . . .

oh man! THOSE were the days ;)

robotmonkey
Jul 1, 2011, 10:35 PM
The difference between Mac and PC is that Mac has something like an intro video.

I remember having some buyers remorse when I first switched, but as soon as I turned on the machine and that video played, I knew I made the right choice. Is the video stupid/needless? Perhaps, but that doesn't matter. So many things that are essential to the Mac experience are.

Butler Trumpet
Jul 1, 2011, 10:37 PM
As a technician, all I can hope for is that if they do include a welcome video and song, that they choose something different. I have seriously heard that song and seen that video THOUSANDS of times.

So, no video and crappy song is fine with me. Now I can do my job faster.

RichardBeer
Jul 1, 2011, 10:51 PM
I'm just throwing out speculative suggestions here but:

Perhaps it's not included due to some sort of legal issues with the owner or label of whomever the new introductory music is by, so that it can't be added until the final product is out? Or maybe they've forgone the video from now on in order to shave size off of the download? But I doubt it would shrink the download size by much..

Just my two pence.

Tmelon
Jul 1, 2011, 10:52 PM
No video? I guess I'll be sticking to Snow Leopard. :rolleyes:

skier777
Jul 1, 2011, 11:11 PM
Who cares, its just yet another useless apple quirk. Im interested in software that I can use, not software that plays amusing little videos once per install.

I bet IT departments are overjoyed.

jackhdev
Jul 1, 2011, 11:13 PM
I really liked the video and will be very disappointed if they don't include it in the final release. It makes it seem as though the SECOND you turn the Mac on, it already starts dancing and doing amazing things straight out of the box with the push of a button.

Michaelgtrusa
Jul 1, 2011, 11:15 PM
Times change.

DoctorWho
Jul 1, 2011, 11:39 PM
What a shame. I always thought it was a nice touch.

It reminds me of the time I opened my first Mac. It made every new Mac after that, as well as every software re-install, just that little bit "magical" :D

Macsavvytech
Jul 2, 2011, 12:14 AM
Just my 2 cents but:

This makes me wonder if they are only going to include the welcome video on new Macs, if it has Snow Leopard installed and you are upgrading to Leopard you hardly need a new welcome screen perhaps Macs that ship with Lion will still have the Welcome Screen. That video annoyed me whenever i reinstalled OSX, however from what I've heard from friends and family buying Macs they really liked the video, it made them feel more "Welcome".

ipoppy
Jul 2, 2011, 12:20 AM
I think next OS, OS11 (OSXI) will have name taken from constellations. Have you noticed that every desktop wallpaper for every new OSX shows this type of picture? Why that fall into the same pattern with no reason?
Just simple thought.

koobcamuk
Jul 2, 2011, 12:21 AM
Hasn't anyone figured out that it is to reduce the file size, being as it is download only? :confused:

Krafty
Jul 2, 2011, 12:21 AM
oh man! THOSE were the days ;)
I remember when I had one of those Macs, and when I was really bored, I would reboot and see if I could name all the extensions before the bar filled.

Story of my empty childhood.

Darth.Titan
Jul 2, 2011, 12:31 AM
Hasn't anyone figured out that it is to reduce the file size, being as it is download only? :confused:

Not likely. Leaving out a 20 MB movie file just doesn't make that much of a difference with a 3.5+ GB download.

localoid
Jul 2, 2011, 12:32 AM
Times change.

Life in the post installation video era... The best of times, the worst of times.

Reach9
Jul 2, 2011, 12:59 AM
OS X Lion doesn't have a welcome intro? How unwelcoming..

petvas
Jul 2, 2011, 01:12 AM
I never cared about the welcome video and always wanted to skip it. I admit though that when I got my first Mac, I was excited to watch it once.
iOS 5 is getting a welcome video...

flottenheimer
Jul 2, 2011, 01:51 AM
Glad that the Welcome Video is gone. I always thought that it lacked style. Same goes for all those space themed wallpapers. Come on Apple.

Skiniftz
Jul 2, 2011, 01:57 AM
You know what would be nice... the ability to connect to 802.1x wireless networks during the initial setup.
You can.

Skiniftz
Jul 2, 2011, 01:57 AM
Who cares, its just yet another useless apple quirk. Im interested in software that I can use, not software that plays amusing little videos once per install.

I bet IT departments are overjoyed.

We would be if we didn't have to install Snow Leopard first and... you guessed it - sit through that stupid video before we can get to install Lion on a clean build.

Forcing us to sit through it again after the Lion install would just be perverse.

skier777
Jul 2, 2011, 02:35 AM
If it's available through the App Store later this month and they don't need to bother with packaging or disc pressing, why not make it available tomorrow?

Because if there is any problem with it, it would be a disaster to ship without knowing. The developers test it now and report any bugs...

skier777
Jul 2, 2011, 02:38 AM
We would be if we didn't have to install Snow Leopard first and... you guessed it - sit through that stupid video before we can get to install Lion on a clean build.

Forcing us to sit through it again after the Lion install would just be perverse.

You make a good point. Since you have to install SL before it unless you get a computer after the release date, maybe they are only including it in the preinstalled version. Afterall, you only need to be welcomed if you are getting a new computer. Due to the downloaded nature of the GM copies i could have been intentionally left out.

Monkeydude
Jul 2, 2011, 02:53 AM
Well. That settles it. Clearly Apple feels that Mac users are no longer welcome.

Post PC era indeed.

Time to switch to Windows.


Yeah, exactly - switching to Windows because Lion is lacking an introduction video. Let it rain brain.

callme
Jul 2, 2011, 02:57 AM
If this is the version being released then it still has issues, I found these in the first 10 mins of use:

1. When iPhoto is in Full Screen mode if you move the pointer to the top of the screen the menu bar is supposed to appear (so you can access the Exit Full Screen Mode button), well the menu bar does not appear and you have to press Esc to exit Full Screen, plus you don't have access to the other Menu items.

2. When exiting Photo Booth from Full Screen you see a blank grey screen for 2-3 seconds before the desktop appears. Not a major issue, but not great.

3. Preview scrolling very not great. With a 26 page, 231Mb PDF it stutters and pauses as you try to scroll through the document with the two finger swipe.

Chundles
Jul 2, 2011, 03:06 AM
If this is the version being released then it still has issues, I found these in the first 10 mins of use:

1. When iPhoto is in Full Screen mode if you move the pointer to the top of the screen the menu bar is supposed to appear (so you can access the Exit Full Screen Mode button), well the menu bar does not appear and you have to press Esc to exit Full Screen, plus you don't have access to the other Menu items.

2. When exiting Photo Booth from Full Screen you see a blank grey screen for 2-3 seconds before the desktop appears. Not a major issue, but not great.

3. Preview scrolling very not great. With a 26 page, 231Mb PDF it stutters and pauses as you try to scroll through the document with the two finger swipe.

Pretty sure iPhoto needs an update before it properly supports Lion's full screen APIs. Same with Pages etc.

baryon
Jul 2, 2011, 03:09 AM
The Setup Assistant says "Mac OS X" at the top. Therefore, Apple didn't drop the Mac prefix.

Manderby
Jul 2, 2011, 03:13 AM
That must be some terrible quality porn.
If it was good quality, it would'nt be porn.

phalseHUD
Jul 2, 2011, 03:26 AM
Thank the Sun

Very good! ;)

So can you still create a bootable disc from this GM?

Scrumper
Jul 2, 2011, 03:32 AM
Yeah, exactly - switching to Windows because Lion is lacking an introduction video. Let it rain brain.

Sarcasm is completely lost on some people...:rolleyes:

AQUADock
Jul 2, 2011, 03:35 AM
The only reason i have a mac is for that video, I think im going to faint.

Mord
Jul 2, 2011, 03:46 AM
Good, that video always annoyed the **** out of me.

star-affinity
Jul 2, 2011, 03:53 AM
You make a good point. Since you have to install SL before it unless you get a computer after the release date, maybe they are only including it in the preinstalled version. Afterall, you only need to be welcomed if you are getting a new computer. Due to the downloaded nature of the GM copies i could have been intentionally left out.

At our IT department we have external bootable hard drives with clones saved as disk images (.dmg) of a clean install of Snow Leopard. Using the software SuperDuper it takes about five minutes to get a clean copy of Mac OS X onto the hard drive of a new Mac.

So, the video hasn't been of much trouble for us.
The times I did see it I did think the video itself was quite nice, but the music cheesy. Much better with the song Eple that came with Panther. :)

MacHiavelli
Jul 2, 2011, 04:05 AM
It's buried... deep.


Open your HDD, then go to /System/Library/CoreServices. Find the Setup Assistant.app, right-click on it and click "show package contents" then go to Contents/Resources. Find TransitionSection.Bundle, right click on it and click "show package contents" then go to Contents/Resources/. The movie (intro.mov) and sound (intro-sound.mp3) are separate files. I put them together in iMovie and put them on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyiwwfJInpE

Thanks - I enjoyed digging deep ;-)

jmpnop
Jul 2, 2011, 04:07 AM
With the new FCPX it wasn't possible for them to make a new video.

rofl! made my day:D;)

mende1
Jul 2, 2011, 04:15 AM
1. When iPhoto is in Full Screen mode if you move the pointer to the top of the screen the menu bar is supposed to appear (so you can access the Exit Full Screen Mode button), well the menu bar does not appear and you have to press Esc to exit Full Screen, plus you don't have access to the other Menu items.

2. When exiting Photo Booth from Full Screen you see a blank grey screen for 2-3 seconds before the desktop appears. Not a major issue, but not great.

3. Preview scrolling very not great. With a 26 page, 231Mb PDF it stutters and pauses as you try to scroll through the document with the two finger swipe.

1. This bug is resolved in iPhoto 9.2 Beta.

2. I can't reproduce this bug.

3. I can't reproduce this bug ;).

RMo
Jul 2, 2011, 04:40 AM
I was having a hell of time getting Tiger on an old Mac Book to upgrade to Snow Leopard last week, so I took to a Genius Bar. They sold me a "Mac Box Set" and I decided to sit there for 40 minutes and do the install in the store to make sure it worked.

Not to go off topic, but that was your problem: you need the box set to upgrade Tiger to Snow Leopard. The retail Snow Leopard DVD is (cheaply priced and) intended to upgrade Leopard only.

...or at least that's what the license says, so that's why Apple made your purchase the box set. It was my understanding that there wasn't actually any technical restriction, so I'd be shocked if all you had to do was use the other installer and everything was fine.

On a related note, I'd like to add my support for those who'd like the ability to make a physical copy (DVD, USB flash drive, whatever) of a bootable, stand-alone Lion installer. I really don't want to have to install Snow Leopard first just to install another OS immediately afterwards in the rare event that I do a clean install--which I normally do for upgrades.

Wheaty
Jul 2, 2011, 05:00 AM
It all sounds so juvenile and banal to crow about how "awesome" and "cool" the supposed changes are - do they have any idea how immature and childish they sound as middle aged men using such language in their promo videos?

Maybe its me being English and therefore having no tolerance for earnestness...


I know what you mean, but those "middle aged men" are probably the ones that started using awesome and cool the first time around...

I'm waiting for the day when I'll be laughing at the "younger" middle aged men saying "Later's" and "Sick".

Personally I'll stick with Cricky, Dude, and Cor Blimy ;)

jmull
Jul 2, 2011, 05:02 AM
Ok Snow Leopard was for multi-core processors, what is lion all about? Is Apple spending too much time on iOS, an OS that could only be suited for small touch screen clients?

callme
Jul 2, 2011, 05:05 AM
1. This bug is resolved in iPhoto 9.2 Beta.

2. I can't reproduce this bug.

3. I can't reproduce this bug ;).

That is great that you can't repeat the bug, but it does not mean they don't exist. Maybe dependant on the hardware I have, graphics card, etc.

Saladinos
Jul 2, 2011, 05:13 AM
The definition Apple uses of GM does not necessarily mean it is the final product. For example, Apple posted a second GM build for iOS 4.2.

No, Apple has the same definition of GM as everyone else. The first GM was iOS 4.2.0, and this GM is OS 10.7.0. GM means it's been signed off.

What happened with 4.2 is that they discovered a late release blocker. The patched version then had its own version number 4.2.1 (because signoff on GM had already happened).

This IS 10.7.0. You will not see another build with that version number.

I am missing the welcome video though. Although to be fair, it doesn't make as much sense from an AppStore download (you're already using your Mac - why another welcome to OSX video?), maybe it will come on Macs with Lion preinstalled (OOBE).

TheBen
Jul 2, 2011, 05:41 AM
Apple kind of deprived people who use a Dual Screen setup.
When you use an application in Full Screen mode, the second screen gets the grey linen background automatically and you can't use it whatsoever (except for moving your mouse cursor there, (yet?)), kind of bumps me out, because I really like both using a Dual Screen setup and full screen apps.

They should've allowed users to run two apps in full screen side-by-side if you have a dual screen setup, or have some kind of use for the second screen for the same app (for example, have two tabs side-by-side in Safari, have the next month/week/day in iCal on the second screen etc).

axcurtis
Jul 2, 2011, 05:44 AM
Thanks for revealing the title and artist for the music: "Exodus Honey" by Honeycut. That got me to go to iTunes and buy it and then, ambling around iTunes, I bought four albums of oldies songs I've not heard in years. Made my day!

phalseHUD
Jul 2, 2011, 05:45 AM
Maybe someone can tell us if the video is only present when doing a clean install of Lion? I found in another thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1180335) that the .dmg file is still inside the Lion installer.app package which hopefully means that you CAN still do a clean install as was possible with previous versions...

Would be nice if some kind dev could give this a go.

cwedl
Jul 2, 2011, 05:53 AM
Why did you install Tiger on a machine to upgrade to Snow Leopard? Just put the snow leopard disk in, press C at start up, Erase the disk and install Snow Leopard from scratch..making sure you have backed up files previously on there.





I was having a hell of time getting Tiger on an old Mac Book to upgrade to Snow Leopard last week, so I took to a Genius Bar. They sold me a "Mac Box Set" and I decided to sit there for 40 minutes and do the install in the store to make sure it worked.

When the time came for the intro video to play, the Apple Store employees actually rolled their eyes in disgust and asked me to turn it down. Nobody likes that video!

Simplicated
Jul 2, 2011, 05:54 AM
Apple kind of deprived people who use a Dual Screen setup.
When you use an application in Full Screen mode, the second screen gets the grey linen background automatically and you can't use it whatsoever (except for moving your mouse cursor there, (yet?)), kind of bumps me out, because I really like both using a Dual Screen setup and full screen apps.

They should've allowed users to run two apps in full screen side-by-side if you have a dual screen setup, or have some kind of use for the second screen for the same app (for example, have two tabs side-by-side in Safari, have the next month/week/day in iCal on the second screen etc).

This has been mentioned over a million times and Apple seems to be reluctant to fix it. :( That's why I'll hold off from upgrading to 10.7.

petvas
Jul 2, 2011, 05:57 AM
Very good! ;)

So can you still create a bootable disc from this GM?

Yes, you can.

phalseHUD
Jul 2, 2011, 06:08 AM
Yes, you can.

Thanks for confirming here Petvas!

NJRonbo
Jul 2, 2011, 06:16 AM
Apple kind of deprived people who use a Dual Screen setup.
When you use an application in Full Screen mode, the second screen gets the grey linen background automatically and you can't use it whatsoever (except for moving your mouse cursor there, (yet?)), kind of bumps me out, because I really like both using a Dual Screen setup and full screen apps.


I am about a day away from purchasing a
27" Cinema Display to compliment my 27" iMac.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Lion makes it difficult to use dual displays?

You won't be able to run an application on one
full screen and an application on another screen
at the same time?

EDIT: I am reading the thread now (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1170998)

petvas
Jul 2, 2011, 06:23 AM
Thanks for confirming here Petvas!

I can also confirm that the dvd is bootable and it allows a clean install, without having to install Snow Leopard before.

iSimx
Jul 2, 2011, 06:49 AM
I can also confirm that the dvd is bootable and it allows a clean install, without having to install Snow Leopard before.

That's great news. Do you happen to know if this is possible through using a memory stick? My MacBook Pro drive can't write anymore.

phalseHUD
Jul 2, 2011, 06:52 AM
I can also confirm that the dvd is bootable and it allows a clean install, without having to install Snow Leopard before.

Thanks again! Great news.
Can you recall if there was an intro video when you did the clean install? I'm thinking that it's not there if you go the 'upgrade' route via the app store, but it might be there if you do a clean install of Lion via a DVD or USB drive? Not too bothered if it's not there, just curious really.

I will be doing a clean install when I get it that's for sure! Thanks.

TheBen
Jul 2, 2011, 06:53 AM
I am about a day away from purchasing a
27" Cinema Display to compliment my 27" iMac.

Am I understanding this correctly?

Lion makes it difficult to use dual displays?

You won't be able to run an application on one
full screen and an application on another screen
at the same time?

EDIT: I am reading the thread now (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1170998)
You can use Lion with a dual-display setup as usual, as long as you don't use the full-screen mode in apps, that will make the secondary screen have a linen background with nothing showing on it.
Other than that though, Lion works perfectly with a dual-screen setup.

I really hope some developer or Apple themselves come up with a fix for this to allow us dual-screen users to use full-screen apps without giving up on the dual-screen setup that is so good for your workflow.

MotleyPete
Jul 2, 2011, 07:00 AM
I wanna see all the extensions loading. :D

Image (http://images.wikia.com/ipod/images/4/4a/Mac_OS_7.5_System_Extension.png)

Okaaaay . . . sound manager, AppleTalk, QuickTime Musical Instruments . . . Clipping Extension . . . QuickDraw . . .

......Freeze ....Bomb ....Restart ........Extensions Manager .....check for conflicts

Ian1982
Jul 2, 2011, 07:31 AM
The video may not add any systems value or usability, but there was something nice about turning the machine on for the first time and watching the video...:)

alandail
Jul 2, 2011, 07:56 AM
The definition Apple uses of GM does not necessarily mean it is the final product. For example, Apple posted a second GM build for iOS 4.2.

that was an extremely rare exception caused by uncovering a late bug that couldn't wait until 4.2.1. GM means it's the version they plan to ship. They are likely already installing it on the new MacBook Air machines preparing for launch.

mudenza
Jul 2, 2011, 08:12 AM
I can also confirm that the dvd is bootable and it allows a clean install, without having to install Snow Leopard before.

Thats interesting. It means that now OS X is only around 4GB whilst SL was around 6GB

akakillroy
Jul 2, 2011, 08:32 AM
Thats interesting. It means that now OS X is only around 4GB whilst SL was around 6GB

I have it! they eliminated the 2GB intro video :D JK

Hastings101
Jul 2, 2011, 08:40 AM
Aww, I'll miss seeing a welcome video if/when I finally upgrade to Lion, it was always fun to watch it the first time you started up a new mac or installed the OS.

spacemanspifff
Jul 2, 2011, 09:18 AM
As most people installing Lion will already have SnoLep [which came with the welcome video] installed, then all Apple would have to do, if they REALLY wanted to, would be to link to the existing video on the users hard drive!

and... Boom as Steve would say!

I'm actually wondering this - Lion is the king of the cats - so is this the last version of Mac OS X that we will see?

What's next, Mac OS iCloud in 3D? or will they just start code-naming them with a different species from now on? Will there even be another new Mac OS system?

Anyway, roll on July 14th or whenever!

definitive
Jul 2, 2011, 09:22 AM
what?! no welcome video?! time to start a riot!

i don't really see the point of the video anymore. sure it might seem nice, but let's be serious, do you really want to spend an extra couple of minutes sitting there and watching what you already saw in your copy of leopard or snow leopard? most of the new computers will come with lion installed, so the video would make sense on there, but if you're installing it from the app store, then chances are that you already saw the video, so it's just a waste of time.

sillypooh
Jul 2, 2011, 09:24 AM
The full song is amazing. Too bad the lyrics never made it to the general public. Honeycut is a great band. And little know fact: the beats and breaks are played live on an Akai MPC.

The intro is a great staple of Apple's and I'd miss it. Makes you feel special, whether you're a new user or an experienced one. And given that this time around, we're getting the highest percentage of new users, making them feel welcome is important.

Maybe they decided at the last minute to rework it, the animation and/or the song, and couldn't include it in the GM and previous versions...

G4DP
Jul 2, 2011, 09:34 AM
......Freeze ....Bomb ....Restart ........Extensions Manager .....check for conflicts

Those were the good old days. Mine even used to say tarting up. Yes, tarting up. It was so bad it couldn't manage the S.

G4DP
Jul 2, 2011, 09:35 AM
The full song is amazing. Too bad the lyrics never made it to the general public. Honeycut is a great band. And little know fact: the beats and breaks are played live on an Akai MPC.

The intro is a great staple of Apple's and I'd miss it. Makes you feel special, whether you're a new user or an experienced one. And given that this time around, we're getting the highest percentage of new users, making them feel welcome is important.

Maybe they decided at the last minute to rework it, the animation and/or the song, and couldn't include it in the GM and previous versions...

A great staple, what planet are you on. It was in Leopard and Snow Leopard, that's it.

res1233
Jul 2, 2011, 09:52 AM
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The full song is amazing. Too bad the lyrics never made it to the general public. Honeycut is a great band. And little know fact: the beats and breaks are played live on an Akai MPC.

The intro is a great staple of Apple's and I'd miss it. Makes you feel special, whether you're a new user or an experienced one. And given that this time around, we're getting the highest percentage of new users, making them feel welcome is important.

Maybe they decided at the last minute to rework it, the animation and/or the song, and couldn't include it in the GM and previous versions...

A great staple, what planet are you on. It was in Leopard and Snow Leopard, that's it.

That specific intro was, however even OS 9 had an intro, albeit a much shorter one. Personally I like the intro. I can see it getting old of you have to install OS X on 50 macs, but for the average user (and most geeks for that matter) the welcome video was a once every two year thing. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

terryzx
Jul 2, 2011, 10:20 AM
Without Rosetta this is going to be a BIG FAIL

No one I know is going to install it as it will break their favorite apps. How hard can it be to add Rosetta as an add-on so people don't have to spend a fortune to replace perfectly good apps that they already like using and know how to use them and don't need to relearn a bloated update?

Macsavvytech
Jul 2, 2011, 10:37 AM
Without Rosetta this is going to be a BIG FAIL

No one I know is going to install it as it will break their favorite apps. How hard can it be to add Rosetta as an add-on so people don't have to spend a fortune to replace perfectly good apps that they already like using and know how to use them and don't need to relearn a bloated update?

You have no clue, most modern apps dont run on rosetta anyway.

phalseHUD
Jul 2, 2011, 10:37 AM
Without Rosetta this is going to be a BIG FAIL

No one I know is going to install it as it will break their favorite apps. How hard can it be to add Rosetta as an add-on so people don't have to spend a fortune to replace perfectly good apps that they already like using and know how to use them and don't need to relearn a bloated update?

Won't people needing Rosetta just stick with SL though?

skinnylegs
Jul 2, 2011, 10:56 AM
I wanna see all the extensions loading. :D

Image (http://images.wikia.com/ipod/images/4/4a/Mac_OS_7.5_System_Extension.png)

Okaaaay . . . sound manager, AppleTalk, QuickTime Musical Instruments . . . Clipping Extension . . . QuickDraw . . .*sniffle* Thanks for the memories. :D

beg_ne
Jul 2, 2011, 10:56 AM
Without Rosetta this is going to be a BIG FAIL

No one I know is going to install it as it will break their favorite apps. How hard can it be to add Rosetta as an add-on so people don't have to spend a fortune to replace perfectly good apps that they already like using and know how to use them and don't need to relearn a bloated update?

Nobody cares about Rosetta apps, least of all Apple.

Why would they care about people who can't even be bothered to update their vintage apps? Apple is about moving forward, not getting mired in the past.

LucasG
Jul 2, 2011, 11:21 AM
The video thing is too old. Time to move on? :p

mr.steevo
Jul 2, 2011, 11:34 AM
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I'd be more concerned about Apple ditching the Start Up sound than the Welcome video. Even then...

mrgraff
Jul 2, 2011, 11:41 AM
Why did you install Tiger on a machine to upgrade to Snow Leopard? Just put the snow leopard disk in, press C at start up, Erase the disk and install Snow Leopard from scratch..making sure you have backed up files previously on there.

I tried holding down "C", I tried holding down "option". I was able to boot from the DVD, get into Disk Utility, and erase the disk that I backed up. No matter what I tried I could only get as far as the language selection before being told that I needed to have 10.5 installed first. Despite what every search, site, and forum post told me about using that DVD to upgrade Tiger, mine seemed to be an upgrade from Leopard-only disc.

Whatever. It's done and it wasn't my Macbook so the actual owner paid me the $129 back plus a little extra for my time. It's ready for Lion now and that's all we cared about.

ssdeg7
Jul 2, 2011, 11:51 AM
Mission Control is still buggy

Kris400
Jul 2, 2011, 11:56 AM
I'm willing to bet there will be a welcome video for new Macs that come installed with Lion. It just won't be on the Lion 'upgrade' available through the Mac App store, mainly to save space.

Anyhow, a stylish welcome may be good presentation for someone who's just purchased a new Mac, but utterly pointless to users upgrading to Lion.

Simplicated
Jul 2, 2011, 12:03 PM
I'm willing to bet there will be a welcome video for new Macs that come installed with Lion. It just won't be on the Lion 'upgrade' available through the Mac App store, mainly to save space.

Anyhow, a stylish welcome may be good presentation for someone who's just purchased a new Mac, but utterly pointless to users upgrading to Lion.

Sorry, you're wrong. The Lion available on the App Store is the full version. If you burn a DVD it even boots.

YourHerojb
Jul 2, 2011, 12:20 PM
Shoot, Apple did something slightly different so now we have to all argue.

Heh heh, you guys are fun.

naix
Jul 2, 2011, 12:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5m3-NF5Ano

is this the new welcome?

akac
Jul 2, 2011, 12:24 PM
I can also confirm that the dvd is bootable and it allows a clean install, without having to install Snow Leopard before.

Thank you petvas. Good to see you here too, btw ;)

andreiru
Jul 2, 2011, 01:04 PM
Perhaps they've left it out to maximize space for those machines with SSD's...

Sureley it's easy enough to have a script that would delete the video once it serves its purpose.

Yamcha
Jul 2, 2011, 01:09 PM
There is a Welcome screen during installation, I just installed the Golden Master, although its not anything like the Snow Leopard welcome screen..

billnye97
Jul 2, 2011, 01:26 PM
The music from the welcome screen reminded me of Futurama. Compare both:

Welcome Screen:

http://youtu.be/SyiwwfJInpE

Futurama:

http://youtu.be/F2wBGzCzv_E

SimonMW
Jul 2, 2011, 01:27 PM
I think the one thing you are all missing is that Lion is download only, while all previous versions of OS X were on DVD or CD. Why needlessly increase the size of the download file with a pointless welcome video?

ivladster
Jul 2, 2011, 01:29 PM
I think this video served its purpose for many years. It time to let go. Simpler set up without video might get to the point faster.

Dont Hurt Me
Jul 2, 2011, 01:31 PM
What does this OS offer us with a computer that snow didnt?

Noiseboy
Jul 2, 2011, 02:02 PM
I can live without the Welcome video but if they screw with the startup chime.....

They already have screwed with the startup chime!
A lot of the time my computer is hooked up to very large pa systems, I record from the sound console and playback to it. It was always entertaining to me and annoying to my Windows colleagues when I booted up the computer with it's output going through the pa. The chime is huge when you hear it in all it's audio completeness, lots of sub bass and absolutely no mistaking what it is. Sadly since (I think) Snow Leopard the chime only comes through the laptop speakers and not the speaker output port so no more taunting the windows boys. Dear Apple, put it back through the speaker out jack. Thanks!

formerpc
Jul 2, 2011, 02:37 PM
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Too bad I won't be able to use anything outside of 2-finger gestures (2007 MBP).

That is, until I get my new MBP next year!

twoodcc
Jul 2, 2011, 02:49 PM
I really like the video. I hope they have a new one for Lion

JD92
Jul 2, 2011, 03:21 PM
...

Kris400
Jul 2, 2011, 03:36 PM
It's certainly not uncommon for Apple to preload Macs with different builds of OS X than what is on the DVD. It's possible the video may be more of a 'Welcome to The Mac' than 'Welcome to OS X' - in which case they'd likely make it play when someone first boots their new Mac, but for people upgrading from Snow Leopard it wouldn't be required.

That's what I just argued, but apparently I'm wrong...

MSlaw
Jul 2, 2011, 03:57 PM
with the new fcpx it wasn't possible for them to make a new video.

rflmao

MSlaw
Jul 2, 2011, 04:02 PM
wait...there are actual fans of that stupid video? After imaging, reinstalling and upgrading high hundreds if not thousands of user accounts/machines I can say I am happy I can get those future spare hours of my life back to me. That music sends a chill down my spine every time I hear it, and I want to punch people when they have it as their goddamn ringtone

And another lol

MSlaw
Jul 2, 2011, 04:05 PM
They should just build it into the firmware....

*ducks*











Let the vote downs begin!

Mac-Rumours
Jul 2, 2011, 04:07 PM
The music from the welcome screen reminded me of Futurama. Compare both:

Welcome Screen:

http://youtu.be/SyiwwfJInpE

Futurama:

http://youtu.be/F2wBGzCzv_E

Why can't we have the Futurama opening instead? :)

Mac-Rumours
Jul 2, 2011, 04:12 PM
You have no clue, most modern apps dont run on rosetta anyway.

He's clearly not talking about modern apps.

Won't people needing Rosetta just stick with SL though?

Some people have older PPC software that'll never be updated but would still like to be able upgrade to Lion.

I'm going to install Lion to another partition and keep using SL for work.

toddybody
Jul 2, 2011, 04:27 PM
No welcome video?! I'll pass.
:rolleyes:

northernbaldy
Jul 2, 2011, 04:32 PM
I wanna see all the extensions loading. :D

Image (http://images.wikia.com/ipod/images/4/4a/Mac_OS_7.5_System_Extension.png)

Okaaaay . . . sound manager, AppleTalk, QuickTime Musical Instruments . . . Clipping Extension . . . QuickDraw . . .

Arrggghhh

Scrolling that image on my iPad is screwing with my eyes!

!¡ V ¡!
Jul 2, 2011, 04:46 PM
20 MB???? That's almost 10 minutes of pornography! Priorities, man!

20MB for the video and 1.1MB for the audio track. Approximately 21MB for the entire welcome splash. Even an SSD of 120/128GB it would pose no space issue for me. If the video is there great if not, not a deal breaker. :)

Compile 'em all
Jul 2, 2011, 04:47 PM
Can't believe 9 pages of posts are actually frakin discussing the welcome video. WTF! I was hoping for more posts about the GM itself etc. but yeah, WTF!

!¡ V ¡!
Jul 2, 2011, 04:58 PM
Can't believe 9 pages of posts are actually frakin discussing the welcome video. WTF! I was hoping for more posts about the GM itself etc. but yeah, WTF!

Now is this GM RC1 or might there be a GM RC2 on its way. Considering there is no physical DVD to send a GM version to the DVD Duplicator for packing and delivery, why not take the time to not have buggy elements. Besides if it needs to be loaded on a new MBA or other Mac it can be downloaded by the China manufacturer for installation. Unless the MBA have to be on a ship and in an Apple Store for the 14th of July. Any thoughts on this? :)

steveh
Jul 2, 2011, 05:20 PM
I don't really see the point you are trying to make. This is not an iOS release.

Doesn't really make much difference. Any number of other companies have occasionally had to release a second or, rarely, a third GM before getting it nailed down.

jwhite878
Jul 2, 2011, 05:22 PM
Dang, I liked that video. My first (and current) Mac ran leopard, and when I first turned it on, wow. Classy, and a pretty sweet welcome to the OS. For someone just starting it up to a desktop its kinda like "here it is". With the video it felt special the first time you turned it on. Not a deal breaker, but I hope they add it.

steveh
Jul 2, 2011, 05:30 PM
That's because it's not a new OS. It's a glorified service pack. It requires 10.6 to install, is only available as a download on the app store, there's no option to install on a formatted disk, etc. From what I can tell, it's basically a collection of libraries that installs over Snow Leopard.

That's a shocker of a post!
How much truth is in that? Just an overwrite of old files?

Very little, and no.

1) Numerous beta tester have reported successfully doing clean installs by extracting the installer .dmg file, burning to DVD, and installing from it.

2) The Mac App store is Apple's current preferred distribution method. And you can still use the download to create an install disc...

3) And yet, there are those reported clean installs...

4) ... Never mind ...

We'll see who's right in a few more days.

I'm betting on beta testers with actual experience, frankly.

NewtonsApple
Jul 2, 2011, 05:53 PM
I have to say I'm not bothered by it being gone- in fact I like the fact that it's not there. The less "filler" data there is the better. This video only gets played once and then sits on the HD forever, taking up space. Sure hard drives are bigger than ever now, but that is no excuse to waste it needlessly.


Smh. You're what's wrong with the world.

steveh
Jul 2, 2011, 06:04 PM
QUOTE=TheBen;12865027]Apple kind of deprived people who use a Dual Screen setup.
When you use an application in Full Screen mode, the second screen gets the grey linen background automatically and you can't use it whatsoever (except for moving your mouse cursor there, (yet?)), kind of bumps me out, because I really like both using a Dual Screen setup and full screen apps.[/QUOTE]

Aperture 3 lets you define what shows in the second monitor when it's in fullscreen mode. Perhaps others are following in train...

NewtonsApple
Jul 2, 2011, 06:08 PM
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Too bad I won't be able to use anything outside of 2-finger gestures (2007 MBP).

That is, until I get my new MBP next year!

Use the Magic Trackpad. Fully compatible with all gestures, provided you run at least SL.

oklaonion
Jul 2, 2011, 06:15 PM
When I switched from PC to Mac two years ago, that welcome video was like a shining beam from the heavens to my wide-eyed self. Boy, was I pumped about my new computer.

But superfluous in the end, I suppose.

steveh
Jul 2, 2011, 06:18 PM
Without Rosetta this is going to be a BIG FAIL

So don't upgrade. It's not miniature ninjas are going to break in through your mail slot and force you to do it.

You might be surprised at the number of Mac users who came on after the Intel switch, who have no idea at all what you're on about.

No one I know is going to install it as it will break their favorite apps. How hard can it be to add Rosetta as an add-on so people don't have to spend a fortune to replace perfectly good apps that they already like using and know how to use them and don't need to relearn a bloated update?

Find an old Mac that will run it, and stash it away to keep the old app going.

I've been using Macs since '85, and looking at all the PowerPC apps taking up disk space here ... I'm not going to miss any of them particularly, having either already replaced them with something else, or find that I haven't used them at all for a very long time. I really don't need the help files for a printer that died years ago.

I will miss Jared, "El Carnicero de Canciones" from Freeverse Software. Perhaps there's an updated version...

steveh
Jul 2, 2011, 06:21 PM
What does this OS offer us with a computer that snow didnt?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/

You're welcome.

ritmomundo
Jul 2, 2011, 07:27 PM
aww thats too bad. I actually liked the old welcome video. my first mac had leopard installed on it, so that welcome video was a definite surprise. snow leopard had the same video, so that was disappointing. I was actually looking forward to a cool new video for lion. oh well, I guess I'll survive without it.

butterfly0fdoom
Jul 2, 2011, 07:50 PM
Without Rosetta this is going to be a BIG FAIL

No one I know is going to install it as it will break their favorite apps. How hard can it be to add Rosetta as an add-on so people don't have to spend a fortune to replace perfectly good apps that they already like using and know how to use them and don't need to relearn a bloated update?

No one I know has any remote idea as to what Rosetta is. Without Rosetta, it's just a small group of people (Quicken users and people find it too cost-prohibitive to replace 6-year-old software) that suffer from this "BIG FAIL".

Regbial
Jul 2, 2011, 09:29 PM
I always liked the start up video, but I guess its not the biggest deal..

I imagine it frees up a little space on your system no?

mozadek
Jul 2, 2011, 10:30 PM
I was hoping for the MGM Lion to appear, roaring out of the Apple logo....

lol, that gave me a chuckle.

skier777
Jul 2, 2011, 11:31 PM
What does this OS offer us with a computer that snow didnt?

I read all 250 updates and am still wondering this myself.
Or rather, what does this OS offer that i want but snow leopard doesn't have.

kocoman
Jul 2, 2011, 11:37 PM
Where (what path/file) is the "Magic Mouse/Magic Trackpad" video located in the Lion GM?

Also I can't find the "Reboot to Safari" option in the login screen?
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/12/mac-os-x-lion-can-run-in-chrome-os-like-browser-only-mode/

Also where are the screensavers in Lion?

thanks

TC400
Jul 2, 2011, 11:52 PM
They did all those builds with new intros.
What a shame I was really hoping for one.

King Flamez1
Jul 3, 2011, 12:16 AM
Regarding the question about Magic Mouse
vs. Magic Pad.

Ditch the mouse. Magic Pad is made for Lion!

So much better to use and it seems to support
more gestures.

great thought, but a large number of Mac users do some graphic design & casual FPS gaming like my self, i think a duo of the trackpad for primary use and a little bit of a mouse on the side would be nice :D

L33roy
Jul 3, 2011, 12:21 AM
great thought, but a large number of Mac users do some graphic design & casual FPS gaming like my self, i think a duo of the trackpad for primary use and a little bit of a mouse on the side would be nice :D

That's what I'm currently doing. I use a mouse in the left hand (Bluetooth Mighty Mouse) a Bluetooth Apple Keyboard (aluminum) in the middle and a Magic Trackpad on the right (for some reason I use my right-hand for trackpad). It works great. I love the Magic Trackpad in Aperture/iPhoto, but love the mouse in InDesign/Illustrator/Photoshop.

koruki
Jul 3, 2011, 12:40 AM
I got my first Mac in 2008. I got home, powered it up typed my name and BOOM, this video started playing. From then I was hooked to Macs.

wei803
Jul 3, 2011, 01:52 AM
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I found out that you can install and boot from a just-formated drive without 10.6 installed.
http://weistudio.com/weistudio/weistudio/Entries/2011/7/2_Mac_OS_10.7_Gold_Master.html

phalseHUD
Jul 3, 2011, 02:42 AM
Some people have older PPC software that'll never be updated but would still like to be able upgrade to Lion.

Suppose this is the price to pay if you want to use the latest OS. What you gonna do.

I found out that you can install and boot from a just-formated drive without 10.6 installed.
http://weistudio.com/weistudio/weistudio/Entries/2011/7/2_Mac_OS_10.7_Gold_Master.html

This answers a question I posted previously thank you! For those interested I wondered if the video was still there, but would only appear if you did a clean install. It is not there at all now so, so long intro video. I liked you fwiw... ;)

joncdixon
Jul 3, 2011, 02:42 AM
Thanks Apple! Do the right thing AND DON'T FORGET THE SIZZLE.

Packaging creates excitement.

Don't let us down.

silentnite
Jul 3, 2011, 03:38 AM
Wow, that's going to be weird not seeing that intro. I know for years it's always been one of the most exciting parts of getting & opening a new Mac and seeing the start up for the first time. It's like not having your OSX CD, without it something is missing. Clean cut & dry. Oh well, everything's changing these days:D

mentaluproar
Jul 3, 2011, 04:32 AM
I loved the video intros! I still remember on 10.1 how that video greeted us to the wonderful world of mac. (Yes, even on 10.1) I was pretty disappointed when I didn't get a new video when I upgraded from leopard, but it's not a deal breaker.

It's so nice to turn on your system for the first time and have it politely greet you rather than say "GIVE ME YOUR NAME, I DEMAND A PASSWORD. CHOSE ONE OF 7 STOCK ICONS. DO IT NOW!"

Digitalclips
Jul 3, 2011, 04:48 AM
This GM doesn't include any iLife apps. Are they now to be add ons?

torbjoern
Jul 3, 2011, 04:55 AM
I loved the video intros! I still remember on 10.1 how that video greeted us to the wonderful world of mac. (Yes, even on 10.1) I was pretty disappointed when I didn't get a new video when I upgraded from leopard, but it's not a deal breaker.

It's so nice to turn on your system for the first time and have it politely greet you rather than say "GIVE ME YOUR NAME, I DEMAND A PASSWORD. CHOSE ONE OF 7 STOCK ICONS. DO IT NOW!"

It would be nice to have it unbox itself too, instead of just lying there after you have purchased it and brought it home: OPEN THE BOX. TAKE ME OUT. SWITCH ME ON! NOW! :cool:

nerdo
Jul 3, 2011, 05:21 AM
You know, I booted a Lion once in a zoo. didn't see a welcome video either, but I did see my life flash in front of me.

wrldwzrd89
Jul 3, 2011, 05:27 AM
This GM doesn't include any iLife apps. Are they now to be add ons?
None of the previous GMs for OS X releases did, either... instead, iLife comes with every new Mac, or can be bought at the Mac App Store.

skinnylegs
Jul 3, 2011, 05:52 AM
This GM doesn't include any iLife apps. Are they now to be add ons?If I'm not mistaken, Lion requires Snow Leopard, which contains Leopard, which contains the iLife stuff.

techy298
Jul 3, 2011, 06:00 AM
:eek:

I hope they at least include it for new users/clean install

I even made the video

http://youtu.be/l58Gvmc5un8

techy298
Jul 3, 2011, 06:01 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Lion requires Snow Leopard, which contains Leopard, which contains the iLife stuff.

Yes, but what if Someone purchases a new mac or wants to clean install?

Chundles
Jul 3, 2011, 06:12 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Lion requires Snow Leopard, which contains Leopard, which contains the iLife stuff.

Um, no.

Snow Leopard does not "contain" Leopard. Snow Leopard replaced Leopard as the operating system on all Macs. Just as now, Lion is replacing Snow Leopard.

iLife and Mac OS X are totally separate. If you want to reinstall iLife after a clean install you need to use the system discs that came with the computer and choose "Install Bundled Software." It then prompts you to insert disc 2 of your system discs and installs the iLife stuff from there.

Clean install of Lion is dead simple, if people get a new Mac with Lion pre-loaded then they can use the utilities on the Recovery Partition to wipe the system drive and set up an new install.

If they get a new drive it's pretty easy to make a USB installer from the downloaded app.

dethmaShine
Jul 3, 2011, 06:40 AM
Um, no.

Snow Leopard does not "contain" Leopard. Snow Leopard replaced Leopard as the operating system on all Macs. Just as now, Lion is replacing Snow Leopard.

iLife and Mac OS X are totally separate. If you want to reinstall iLife after a clean install you need to use the system discs that came with the computer and choose "Install Bundled Software." It then prompts you to insert disc 2 of your system discs and installs the iLife stuff from there.

Clean install of Lion is dead simple, if people get a new Mac with Lion pre-loaded then they can use the utilities on the Recovery Partition to wipe the system drive and set up an new install.

If they get a new drive it's pretty easy to make a USB installer from the downloaded app.

I must have totally missed this: is iLife part of OS X Lion? cause I don't see any iLife apps in my lion developer previews. I have installed GM yet.

paulsalter
Jul 3, 2011, 06:42 AM
I must have totally missed this: is iLife part of OS X Lion? cause I don't see any iLife apps in my lion developer previews. I have installed GM yet.

You get iLife when you buy a new Mac
When you buy a new version of the OS you dont get iLife with it

iLife will be on the disc that came with your Mac

damson34
Jul 3, 2011, 06:59 AM
Personally I thought Jaguar and Panther intro videos were the best. Back then it was kind of a wow factor. No its just a plain old Welcome Video but back then having a welcome video like that was cool.

drewyboy
Jul 3, 2011, 08:16 AM
I think gone are the days of big os changes, that is until some new method of ui or computing happens. So I think apples stance is, release increments, yes call them "service packs" if you want, but I believe they offer more than what sp's do. Ie SL under the hood rewrite. And each for 30. I'm fine with that. 30 every 2 years vs. Larger changes w7 for $130+ every 4-8 years. If ppl want to argue what lion has to offer, I say what does W8 have to offer? And they're charger full 130+ price, of course depending on which of the 6-7 options you choose.

I might very well be eating my words next Mac OS release, but this seems to be a new trend, historical data with only 2 os releases.

Corbin052198
Jul 3, 2011, 08:25 AM
Perhaps they've left it out to maximize space for those machines with SSD's...

Apple could have made Lion so it would delete the Intro Video after it's done playing.

softeky
Jul 3, 2011, 08:30 AM
You know, I booted a Lion once in a zoo. didn't see a welcome video either, but I did see my life flash in front of me.

Probably because you went for the low-tech approach. Nowadays one's life would not flash, it would HTML5

the8thark
Jul 3, 2011, 08:50 AM
If I'm not mistaken, Lion requires Snow Leopard, which contains Leopard, which contains the iLife stuff.
You are mistaken.
Any release of OS on grey system only discs that came with a Mac contains iLife. But the OS that was boxed separately (ie bought from the store) never Came with iLife.

Getting iLife was always one of 3 ways:
1. Purchasing a New Mac
2. Purchasing the iLife Box
3. Purchasing the OS X/iLife/iWork bundle box.