View Full Version : Bing for iPad Adds 'Lasso' Search Term Selection
Jul 5, 2011, 03:04 PM
While Apple took a fair amount of time developing the current copy-and-paste mechanism for iOS, holding off on releasing it until iPhone OS 3.0 in mid-2009, Microsoft's new update for its Bing for iPad (http://appshopper.com/reference/bing-for-ipad) app shows off (http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2011/07/05/bing-for-ipad-update-searching-without-a-search-box.aspx) an alternative method for text selection known as "Lasso". The technique allows users to select text to serve as the basis of Bing searches by simply drawing circles around the desired search terms.From our research, we know that many searches are inspired by things people see on the web. Today, it can be somewhat painful to search on a tablet when you're engaged in reading something; just copying and pasting pieces of text from a webpage to a search box can take up to nine steps on the iPad. With Lasso you can circle and search in just two steps.While support for the Lasso search method is of course limited to usage inside the Bing for iPad app, it offers an interesting glimpse at a usability concept that could make its way into other areas.What you're seeing today is only the beginning. Lasso moves Bing beyond the search box. Although it will only be available in Bing for iPad to begin with, we're already thinking about how to take Lasso even further - so stay tuned.In addition to Lasso, the new Version 1.1 update to Bing for iPad also adds enhanced movie listings and a host of other improvements.
Article Link: Bing for iPad Adds 'Lasso' Search Term Selection (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/05/bing-for-ipad-adds-lasso-search-term-selection/)
Jul 5, 2011, 03:22 PM
I need a UK version.
Jul 5, 2011, 03:32 PM
It does appear to be a convenient idea. But what if you want to select a few words that are spread over more than one line? A circle would not catch just those words I presume.
Jul 5, 2011, 03:39 PM
So wait, you have to do everything in the Bing app to actually use this? What's the point of that? This doesn't work from Safari then?
Why not just tap & hold on a word, with an option called "Search" pop up?
Jul 5, 2011, 03:42 PM
I expected freeform lasso-drawing, which would be more interesting and even natural. This just looks like a pretty standard drag-select: move your finger in a line. But what appears is NOT a line, it’s an oval. An OK visual effect, but also confusingly indirect compared to what I expected to see.
Regardless, it requires tapping a button to enter a special mode for this. Whereas current iOS text selection "just works” all the time. And maybe the current method can call for “up to” 9 actions (?) but it can also call for just one: tap-hold the word.
What Apple could do to improve it is to add a “search” button to the selection popup, in addition to the current “copy.” That would save a step sometimes.
Jul 5, 2011, 04:45 PM
Re: So wait, you have to do everything in the Bing app to actually use this? What's the point of that?
Reading skills fail...
a glimpse at a usability concept that could make its way into other areas. (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/05/bing-for-ipad-adds-lasso-search-term-selection/)
So it's a proof of concept. Many other iOS developers have released such proofs, after which Apple released their own native version (of course not crediting anyone else but themselves).
A few notable proof of concepts iOS saw were video, copy/paste, multi-tasking and (the now infamous) wifi sync.
Re: This doesn't work from Safari then?
Are you serious? :rolleyes: Of course it wouldn't. There's no way I'd work in Safari.
Apple doesn't allow anyone else to customize native Apple OS or Apps or replace native iOS features with custom implementations.
Regardless of the fact that users would have to install such customization themselves, so would be aware of the difference between Apple's code and the custom's code, Apple is just too paranoid about being blamed for poor user-experience with third-party software to allow it.
It WOULD be nice if mobile OS manufacturers would take a cue from Android and allow customization of native OS functions, (such as Android users ability to replace the native default keyboard).
But I wouldn't hold your breath.
The best we can hope for from Apple in terms of this, would be to copy/steal it as their own for iOS5 or later.
Most likely, if the concept works in the Bing app on the iPhone, WP7 users may see it in the future.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the big reason why apps can't effect each other like that (especially on such a fundamental level such as the multitouch ui) because of the iOS security model (essentially sandboxing everything). Therefore, you will never see the kind of functionality you are asking for.
Jul 5, 2011, 05:52 PM
I could see this feature being much more useful if it were built into the actual iOS, to be used across multiple applications.
The current copy and paste system in iOS works, but on the smaller screen of the iPhone it can be quite cumbersome in terms of speed of use.
The process of selecting a word on an oddly formatted website->pressing and holding for the "copy" menu to pop up->pressing copy->pressing the search bar->pressing and holding down for paste->clicking search just takes quite a bit longer than is should.
Jul 5, 2011, 06:09 PM
Anyone actually gotten "lasso" tool to work? I go to website and click on the lasso tool to draw a circle around the term I want to search. I even hold my finger down like on the video. Nada, doesn't do a thing.
Jul 6, 2011, 01:29 AM
Neat feature. Not what I was expecting. The "lasso" had me thinking you drew an oval, whereas you basically tap a button and highlight text as you would with a mouse cursor? Correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't used this feature or app.
I'll stick with tapping the search box for the rare occaision I search the web on an iDevice. I usually don't search more than 3 words anyways. Still a good feature for those who'll use it, though.
Jul 6, 2011, 03:04 AM
Excellent; I imagine this will make it's way into the Windows Phone 7 platform and probably Windows 8.
Jul 7, 2011, 12:23 AM
I tried it and it just did not work for me. Out of 10 times I tried, it recognized my circled word once.
But in this process I got introduced the Bing iPad app which is actually very good.
Jul 7, 2011, 02:40 AM
If the guy doing the demo is so concerned with efficiency, why does he say "it takes almost 9 steps to go ahead and do a copy and paste" instead of "copy and paste takes almost 9 steps"?
And what does "almost 9" mean? Can't he count that high?
I'm certainly glad that his coworker is so surprised and impressed with a feature he already knows about. "Ooooh!" :rolleyes:
Jul 7, 2011, 07:17 AM
Can't get it to work myself that much, so meh.
On the other hand, Bing for iPad is very, very good. Nice job MSFT.
Jul 7, 2011, 04:16 PM
i think its great but I havent gotten a chance to try it out since I have a iPhone and no iPad :(
Jul 8, 2011, 04:15 PM
I really like this app. Very creative UI.