Quark begins cut-price product, upgrade deal

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[iGary]

I've gotten some really aggressive advertising packets from Quark lately.

I think they're tired of InDesign eating their market piece by piece.

[Blue Velvet]

And so it begins...




*no, we're not desperate, not at all*

[zelmo]

Won't make any difference to me. As a commercial prepress manageer, I have to support both Quark XPress and Adobe InDesign, and that means I've already upgraded to v6.5 (and am glumly awaiting the release of CS2 to spend even more money).

[emw]

Won't make any difference to me. As a commercial prepress manageer, I have to support both Quark XPress and Adobe InDesign, and that means I've already upgraded to v6.5 (and am glumly awaiting the release of CS2 to spend even more money).Doesn't that just suck. And the worst part is keeping all the back versions because customers are too cheap to upgrade. We still have people sending us Quark 3.32 :eek:

As for the price drop - maybe it will help to push some of these slackers to move one.

[narco]

Doesn't that just suck. And the worst part is keeping all the back versions because customers are too cheap to upgrade. We still have people sending us Quark 3.32 :eek:

As for the price drop - maybe it will help to push some of these slackers to move one.

It's weird, I think Quark5 is one of the long lost mysteries of the world. Either people are using Quark4.1, or Quark6 -- never 5.

And because of how printers do keep copies of both Quark and InDesign, I will continue to use Quark since that's what I've been using for the past 11 years (damn, I'm getting old). Plus most places only accept PDF files now anyway.

Fishes,
narco.

[emw]

It's weird, I think Quark5 is one of the long lost mysteries of the world. Either people are using Quark4.1, or Quark6 -- never 5.I don't think it was lost - it was thrown away. Quark 5 was the product that never should have been... Not really any better than 4, but still not OS X.

[TwitchOSX]

InDesign blows Quark out of the water in so many ways its not even funny anymore (well, still fun to joke about I guess) and they are seeing market share being eaten up very fast. I wouldnt be suprised if InDesign isnt getting to around 50% of the market by now. Xpress just sucks. I HATE using it here... its so antiquated. Its like using Pagemaker. I bitch and moan every time I have to do anything in it.

As for CS2, I am sure we wont be getting that any time soon. I dont see enough upgrades to warrant getting it. Havent even heard ANYTHING about IDCS2 - only stuff about Photoshop.

/somebody needs to put a bullet in Quark and put them out of thier and our misery

[Paul O'Keefe]

We've kicked Xpress to the curb in our office. The Adobe environment works for us, seems better, and it it's a whole lot cheaper to get the CS bundle than Xpress.

[Blue Velvet]

It's weird, I think Quark5 is one of the long lost mysteries of the world. Either people are using Quark4.1, or Quark6 -- never 5.

We used ver 5 from the minute it was released...

[narco]

We've kicked Xpress to the curb in our office. The Adobe environment works for us, seems better, and it it's a whole lot cheaper to get the CS bundle than Xpress.

Yeah, I've been playing with the idea of using InDesign only. I design magazines (ads, layouts, etc.) and have been slowly doing all the ads in Illustrator/Photoshop, then importing them into the magazine template. As of now, all of the ads are converted and the only thing I actually USE Quark for is to lay the text out and convert to PDF.

I would probably switch completely if someone came over and set up InDesign for me so that I wouldn't lose a beat. Deadlines are really strict, so I'm unable to stop, learn a new program and make sure all the settings are good enough for the printer.

So I pretty much feel I am STUCK with Quark. Also, I am just a bit afraid of switching -- it took a couple years for me to finally upgrade to OS X.

As I said before, since 95% of the printers I work with only accept PDF files, it doesn't really matter what I use. Then again, people keep telling me that NOBODY will be reading magazines 5 years from now ANYWAY, so I should just go back to school!

Fishes,
narco.

[narco]

We used ver 5 from the minute it was released...

I wanted to upgrade, but my boss was too cheap at the time. Now, when I accept ads from agencies, most of them use Quark 4.1. I don't think I have ever received a file made in Quark 5. I just thought it was kind of weird, but never really paid too much attention to it.

Fishes,
narco.

[mrsebastian]

forget the usual id vs quark battle, but i find it very interesting that adobe cs2 is soon shipping and quark has this promotion at the same time. i think part of the reason id has picked up a lot of users as well, is the price. these prices are from the manufactures sites and are full retail: $899 for the standard edition cs2 and $949 for quark 6 (free upgrade to 6.5). we can argue features and nit pick which program does this or that better, but in the end cs2 is a much better deal, as you also get photoshop, illustrator, and then some. on that note, if you were to get id by itself, it's still cheaper than quark at $699. the premium edition of cs2 is $1199, you the get all the software you need for pretty much everything relating to graphics, from print to web and then some and with a lil creativity you can get it for the standard price.

why pay more money for quark, when you can get id, which is equally good (this is a price argument, so we'll call them equally good), as well as photoshop and illustrator that every graphics person purchases as well?!... oh yeah, even the upgrade price is better cs2 (standard) at $349, quark $499 if upgrading from version 4 which most people have, since 5 went nowhere. lastly, if you do some searching and are diligent, you can find adobe cs1 for around $250 and upgrade to (premium) cs2 for $549, which brings you to $799 and that is still cheaper than you know who... uh quark, i think you lost the price battle as well. if you could gather your things and just go ahead and leave then, that would be great :D

[Blue Velvet]

I don't think I have ever received a file made in Quark 5.

I'll send you one if you're feeling left out... :D

[TwitchOSX]

I just dont understand some people's perception of upgrading. Its so much more effecient overall to upgrade to the newer technologies. It shouldnt take anybody years to upgrade to OSX. AND, I wouldnt trust Quark's ability to output to PDF on a broke dead dog.

As for Quark 5, we used it. When I first started working here 2 and a half years ago, they were using Quark 4.1. I had never used a page layout app before and thats what they taught me on. I urged them to get Quark 5 (my ignorance on the application itself) and they got it. No different than 4.1 IMO. Then we got 6 later. But, shortly after learning Xpress, I heard about InDesign somewhere and d/l the trial. I really liked it and so I urged them to get it. We got that awesome Pagemaker --> InDesign upgrade and I havent looked back since. I create NOTHING new in Xpress. Only when I HAVE to due to older files, do I use Xpress.

Whales,
TwitchOSX

[narco]

I just dont understand some people's perception of upgrading. Its so much more effecient overall to upgrade to the newer technologies. It shouldnt take anybody years to upgrade to OSX. AND, I wouldnt trust Quark's ability to output to PDF on a broke dead dog.

As for Quark 5, we used it. When I first started working here 2 and a half years ago, they were using Quark 4.1. I had never used a page layout app before and thats what they taught me on. I urged them to get Quark 5 (my ignorance on the application itself) and they got it. No different than 4.1 IMO. Then we got 6 later. But, shortly after learning Xpress, I heard about InDesign somewhere and d/l the trial. I really liked it and so I urged them to get it. We got that awesome Pagemaker --> InDesign upgrade and I havent looked back since. I create NOTHING new in Xpress. Only when I HAVE to due to older files, do I use Xpress.

Whales,
TwitchOSX

I hope I am misreading your post, because it sounds like you're frustrated with my upgrading history.

NOW I know that OS X is much more stable compared to OS 9, but back then it was a huge step. If something messed up, or if I found out my programs wouldn't work in Classic, then production would be forced to come to a halt until all problems were fixed. I'd rather "put up" with any little problem than to deal with major problems and risk losing my job.

When I first installed 10.1, it did screw up my computer. Many calls to Apple support, posting in forums, etc., but i finally got it fixed.

And as I see it now, there really isn't a reason for me to upgrade. Every printer I have worked with accepted my Quark PDF's, even though they said the file size is a bit larger than normal. Like I said earlier, all I do is place ads and text into a Quark template, then export to .ps, then use Distiller to make the PDF. This operation works FINE for me, and I couldn't see cutting my time in half with anything else.

If you aren't happy with the rate I upgrade, then I will email you my address and you can buy and set up the programs for me.

Wholly Mammoths,
narco.

[Belly-laughs]

If you design your ads in ps/ai and take them through quark for type-setting and going to pdf I´m convinced you´ll love InDesign and it´s tight integrity with your main design packages and the typographic controls it offers. Oh, and the colour management!

I´ve used ID since v1 (it was really cheap back then, introed at £199) and haven´t looked back. But I still keep XPress upgraded for those odd jobs that demands it.

[TwitchOSX]

I MAKE time to research and implement upgrades. No point in my employers keeping me as an employee if I cant do that. If I didnt do that, and was content with how they ran things when I first started working here 2 years ago, we would still be using a G4 450, with Photoshop 5 and Quark 4.1. As it is, I said to hell with this, made them upgrade to OSX, made them buy the Creative Suite, and finally made them buy a DP 2.5ghz G5. Gotta stay current.

Dinosaurs,
TwitchOSX.

[zelmo]

edit...As I said before, since 95% of the printers I work with only accept PDF files, it doesn't really matter what I use.

Wow, so that's how the other half lives....
We only get about 5% of our files as PDF. We accept any file you got, and I mean ANYTHING. Word, Excel:eek:, Publisher, Powerpoint:eek:, Wordperfect:eek:. Heck, we had a client send us a Broderbund Print Shop Deluxe file once :eek: :eek: (OK, we re-created that one :rolleyes: ).
I wouldn't ever look to upgrade an application unless I needed a specific feature, personally. But some designer somewhere is going to buy CS2, and they are going to expect that their printer is somehow expert with an application the day it is released. We have 20 Macs and 4 PCs in our prep department and 10 operators to train, so every new release is a couple of grand down the hole. No wonder the company Pres. call us SS PrePress.

[narco]

I MAKE time to research and implement upgrades. No point in my employers keeping me as an employee if I cant do that. If I didnt do that, and was content with how they ran things when I first started working here 2 years ago, we would still be using a G4 450, with Photoshop 5 and Quark 4.1. As it is, I said to hell with this, made them upgrade to OSX, made them buy the Creative Suite, and finally made them buy a DP 2.5ghz G5. Gotta stay current.

Dinosaurs,
TwitchOSX.

I agree. I do research, quite a bit -- enough to not upgrade for months after the release. I was even afraid of buying my dual 2.0ghz G5 because it didn't come with OS 9, therefore couldn't use Quark4.1. That's when I upgraded to 6.

I am thinking about switching to InDesign more and more each day. When I buy another Powerbook soon, I will load it on that and test it out before I make the final switch.

Elephantitis,
narco.

[Blue Velvet]

why pay more money for quark (?)

Because when you have an established workflow, a tweaked & temperamental RIP, a studio with 3 experienced designers who are Quark demons, about 7 years worth of archived work & templates, very little time to undertake training, a production schedule that has about 150 projects booked in before Xmas... well, then what's a few hundred dollars/pounds on some software?

A transition to InDesign for our setup is something that cannot be done on a whim. I would like to leave Quark behind but the effort involved is not something to be undertaken lightly... this is Quark's trump card.

I seriously doubt that InDesign has 50% market-share as an earlier poster mentioned, probably more like 15-30% tops, less so in the UK but there's no denying who has the momentum.

[zelmo]

Because when you have an established workflow, a tweaked & temperamental RIP, a studio with 3 experienced designers who are Quark demons, about 7 years worth of archived work & templates, very little time to undertake training, a production schedule that has about 150 projects booked in before Xmas... well, then what's a few hundred dollars/pounds on some software?

A transition to InDesign for our setup is something that cannot be done on a whim. I would like to leave Quark behind but the effort involved is not something to be undertaken lightly... this is Quark's trump card.

I seriously doubt that InDesign has 50% market-share as an earlier poster mentioned, probably more like 15-30% tops, less so in the UK but there's no denying who has the momentum.

Not incredibly scientific, but a quick scan of our 332 jobs-in-process shows 211 Quark files received versus 15 InDesign files. That's 63.5% to 4.5%.

And you really don't want to know about that other 32%!

[narco]

Wow, so that's how the other half lives....
We only get about 5% of our files as PDF. We accept any file you got, and I mean ANYTHING. Word, Excel:eek:, Publisher, Powerpoint:eek:, Wordperfect:eek:. Heck, we had a client send us a Broderbund Print Shop Deluxe file once :eek: :eek: (OK, we re-created that one :rolleyes: ).
I wouldn't ever look to upgrade an application unless I needed a specific feature, personally. But some designer somewhere is going to buy CS2, and they are going to expect that their printer is somehow expert with an application the day it is released. We have 20 Macs and 4 PCs in our prep department and 10 operators to train, so every new release is a couple of grand down the hole. No wonder the company Pres. call us SS PrePress.

Yeah, I've talked to some of the printers and asked if they wanted files in any other format, most of the time they tell me "it's too much of a hassle."

If someone sends them a compressed file with all the fonts, images, etc. and there is a problem, the printer can either fix it themselves or have the designer do it. Based on what I've heard, most of the time the designer is someone just out of community college design school and thinks "overprint" is when the paper is wet after ink touches it.

If there is a problem with my PDF file, it's easy for them to correct, if not they call me and I submit a new one. Simple as that.

If I managed a pre-press department, I would probably be in jail. I give you props, man -- that's a tough job!

Fishes,
narco.

[TwitchOSX]

I can understand how long people have been using Quark for.. but damn.. in a span of 2 years, with no real training, I have just about mastered Quark AND InDesign, by myself. I by no means call myself a master, or pro at either program, but I think I'm pretty damn good with both of them. Same with Photoshop, but I have been using that since v2.5 (pre layers era :eek: )

But.. want to talk about tough?

Pretty much the same as powermac666 EXCEPT,

I am the only pre-press person. We have 2 Macs and a PC in my office. I have nobody to talk to about problems or issues, I rely on Google and Adobe forums. We take ANYTHING as well (small print shop - we have to). People all the time saying "well, I designed it in "Print Shop"" and I have to explain that thats not a professional program and we dont have it. I then have to direct them to download PrimoPDF so they can PDF thier stuff without having to pay $400 for Acrobat.

I send PDF's to everybody. When companies ask for EPS or TIFF or whatever, I send a PDF anyway.

Unfortunately, most of the stuff we get in from customers is not professional quality, or built in a professional printing program such as Quark or InDesign. So, I pretty much try to force them to send me PDF's which means getting PrimoPDF and using that. It seems to help.

Swamp Donkeys,
TwitchOSX.

[Greencardman]

I know an design agency that still uses OS 9 and Quark 4.1/5.0. The main reason is that the designers don't have time to learn OS X and to figure out how to do things all over again, and quite frankly, the Principals whine about spending money. Yes, in my opinion, they would earn thier money back quite quickly if they upgraded to OS X, and I'd say even by switching to InDesign. Oh, and they are still on G4 450 Mhz too. Yes, it seems like the stone age, but the reason they haven't switching is partly money, and partly fear. You can't just switch from Quark to Indesign and think you're not going to have problems, or that you'll automatically know how to do everything, and when having problems means turning in things late, well, it becomes an option thats out of the question. You can't turn things in late, so you can't switch programs, so you end up being on G4 450 Mhz's running OS 9.2 and Quark 4.1 and having computer problems and downtime constantly.

If you ask me, they'd save more money by turning down a job and using the free time to switch over and spend 8 hours a day training, but hey, they're not me.

[Blue Velvet]

The main reason is that the designers don't have time to learn OS X and to figure out how to do things all over again...

This is true but it's also important for any creative to keep up with technical developments especially when the cutting edge becomes commonplace... I didn't force through an OS X transition at work until I had about a year of messing with it at home and had researched a number of issues. In fact, it was that experimenting that lead me to this very forum.

While it all comes out of my own time, I also see it as an investment in my career and it pays off. I would hate to be still wedded to OS9, a position I was in 2 years ago... InDesign is something I intend to spend a lot of time with over the next few months at home before trying to do a day's work with it.

[narco]

This is true but it's also important for any creative to keep up with technical developments especially when the cutting edge becomes commonplace... I didn't force through an OS X transition at work until I had about a year of messing with it at home and had researched a number of issues. In fact, it was that experimenting that lead me to this very forum.

While it all comes out of my own time, I also see it as an investment in my career and it pays off. I would hate to be still wedded to OS9, a position I was in 2 years ago... InDesign is something I intend to spend a lot of time with over the next few months at home before trying to do a day's work with it.

I agree. It's up to the designer to keep up with technology, otherwise they risk being replaced by someone who does. The transition from OS 9 to OS X wasn't tough, but I can imagine the transition from Quark to ID would be.

I feel bad for that whole department using OS 9.

Fishes,
narco.

[e-coli]

I hear the death rattle...

[Blue Velvet]

The transition from OS 9 to OS X wasn't tough, but I can imagine the transition from Quark to ID would be.

It's not the initial learning curve that worries me, it's getting up to the same fluency and deftness with an application that takes time and practice.

Getting keyboard shortcuts into muscle memory, learning new words for the same processes etc.

Also, once you're very familiar with a package you can think and plan your way through a design/technical problem knowing what you need to do and what order you need to do it in. It literally becomes second-nature and that's when creativity and work just flows without you having to think about what it is you're exactly doing.

[narco]

It's not the initial learning curve that worries me, it's getting up to the same fluency and deftness with an application that takes time and practice.

Getting keyboard shortcuts into muscle memory, learning new words for the same processes etc.

Also, once you're very familiar with a package you can think and plan your way through a design/technical problem knowing what you need to do and what order you need to do it in. It literally becomes second-nature and that's when creativity and work just flows without you having to think about what it is you're exactly doing.

Someone told me that you can import Quark shortcuts into InDesign. If this is true, this would help out a TON since I use my keyboard more than I use the mouse. Different names for the same procedures would take getting used to, though.

Fishes,
narco.

[717]

Also, once you're very familiar with a package you can think and plan your way through a design/technical problem knowing what you need to do and what order you need to do it in. It literally becomes second-nature and that's when creativity and work just flows without you having to think about what it is you're exactly doing.

Well said. This is why i'm stil on Quark 4.1 and on Illustrator 5.5 in classic mode (and they startup faster). I have Illustrator 10 and it s*cks on a 2.0MP G5.

–717

[Eric5h5]

It's weird, I think Quark5 is one of the long lost mysteries of the world. Either people are using Quark4.1, or Quark6 -- never 5.


I'm using 5. Unfortunately. I try to use Quark 3 whenever I can, because it's much faster, much less annoying, and has way way fewer bugs. Only printing is better with Quark 5.

--Eric

[sambo.]

quark died a few years ago, it just hasn't stopped breathing yet.....
admittedly, InDesign 1.0 was *****, but what fool buys first release of any software?

quark still has a huge user base and who cares if you don't get every upgrade? so long as you can talk to the printer ok (easy thanx acrobat), what software u use is largely irrelevent, so long as it works(ish)

i'm putting out a weekly newspaper with PageMaker 6.5, Photoshop 5 and Illustrator 7 running on a seriously underpowered celeron 500. it's painful, it crashes, i have very little of my hair left, but the paper comes out and i can't afford to upgrade (YET!)

when i do upgrade (oooohhh, within the next six months or when RevC G5 PM's are released), adobe all the way baby. why pay for quark, when you can essentially get it for "free" with a photoshop license. remember it wasn't all that long ago that PS would set you back AUD$1200, now the whole CS is around $1800! cheap. quark had to drop their prices, but they waited FARRRRR too long, now they are dead.......

just IMHO.........

cheers
sambo.

[Greencardman]

I agree with you Blue Velvet, you phrase things very well. The problem, I guess comes in how does a designer afford an up-to-date computer, Panther, and Indesign at home on which to learn? (well, legally would be the real question). Furthermore, you cannot switch until the people in charge are prepared to pay for it, a designer cannot just go out and upgrade a business without approval. And when the people in charge are still afraid to spend money and interrupt workflow and upgrade computers and learn new software, well, then you have an agency stuck on OS 9.2. (plus, lets face it, upgrading a small ofiice to OS X and Quark 6 and Adobe CS is going to cost a couple of grand, something a small agency might not have).

I hope the cheaper Quark prices could be some incentive, (as well as the frequent downtime associated with OS 9.2, Quark and old computers) to persuade people that they're loosing more money by not upgrading than they ever will from the downtime associated with switching.

[winmacguy]

It's not the initial learning curve that worries me, it's getting up to the same fluency and deftness with an application that takes time and practice.

Getting keyboard shortcuts into muscle memory, learning new words for the same processes etc.

Also, once you're very familiar with a package you can think and plan your way through a design/technical problem knowing what you need to do and what order you need to do it in. It literally becomes second-nature and that's when creativity and work just flows without you having to think about what it is you're exactly doing.
It is initially only about a 1-3 week cross over phase from Quark to Indesign depending on the individual. After that your speed picks up from repitition. It took me about 10 days or so to move from Quark back in 2002 and that was with no training and very little support except that I was working with Quark templates at the time that became Indesign templates and I was well versed with Photoshop shortcuts and Illustrator short cuts . I made it a point of learning 2-3 new quick key combinations every other day or so. I also switched to Indesign 2 which with its multiple pallet set up is probably more fiddly than Indesign CS which I currently use.

[winmacguy]

Someone told me that you can import Quark shortcuts into InDesign. If this is true, this would help out a TON since I use my keyboard more than I use the mouse. Different names for the same procedures would take getting used to, though.

Fishes,
narco.
Yes it is true Narco. you can also open up existing Quark templates in Indesign and resave them as Indesign templates with all your colour swatches and style paragraph/character style sheets saved into Indesign. It makes the transition process a lot easier. It also means that you down have to rebuild your templates. I have to say though that once you get used to Indesign shortcuts I tend to prefer them to Quark ones. Some of the object resizing shortcuts in Indesign are the same by default as Quark.

[winmacguy]

Indesign does crash in OSX from time to time, although when it does it remembers the document you were working on when the app quit and will open right back where you were.

[winmacguy]

Well said. This is why i'm stil on Quark 4.1 and on Illustrator 5.5 in classic mode (and they startup faster). I have Illustrator 10 and it s*cks on a 2.0MP G5.

–717
A lot of places I know of are still on Illutrator 8 because there are so many pre press issues with transparency in Illustrator 10 and illustrator 8 works fine. We use Illustrator CS where I work.

[narco]

A lot of places I know of are still on Illutrator 8 because there are so many pre press issues with transparency in Illustrator 10 and illustrator 8 works fine. We use Illustrator CS where I work.


That's kind of strange though-- you can't deny that some clients have Illustrator 10, and those same ones are bound to use transparencies sooner or later.

I went to some Adobe seminar aimed at "print professionals" last year that went over the entire creative suite, especially transparencies and using files with them in InDesign. It was funny watching all these pre-press guys bitching and moaning about transparencies, but the Adobe spokeswoman swore that "they are working on it" and gave the steps to fix them before press.

Fishes,
narco.

[Blue Velvet]

was funny watching all these pre-press guys bitching and moaning about transparencies...

Just wait until they see Quark's implementation of transparencies in Xpress 7...

Tears before bedtime. :D

[O and A]

[QUOTE=717]Well said. This is why i'm stil on Quark 4.1 and on Illustrator 5.5 in classic mode (and they startup faster). I have Illustrator 10 and it s*cks on a 2.0MP G5.

if illustrator sucks on ur dp g5 then u have bigger problems.
if ur using illustrator 5.5 then u are certinaly not a professional the design industry.

[Blue Velvet]

[QUOTE=717]if ur using illustrator 5.5 then u are certinaly not a professional the design industry.

Complete illiterate rubbish.
I know people that can turn out beautiful work in old old versions of Illustrator...

Clueless.

[emw]

if ur using illustrator 5.5 then u are certinaly not a professional the design industry.Spoken like a true professional :rolleyes:

The version of the application seldom has anything to do with someone's skill level or place in the industry. Many factors impact the choice of application, including needed features for intended output, etc. Many of the features in newer versions of Photoshop and Illustrator make it more fun to design some things, perhaps, but also complicate life for those needing to actually print something.

[narco]

[QUOTE=O and A]

Complete illiterate rubbish.
I know people that can turn out beautiful work in old old versions of Illustrator...

Clueless.

It's kind of like my old photography professor said back in college. He made everyone take pictures with only a cheap $10 shapshot disposable camera throughout the entire semester. People had $2,000 cameras, but they were not allowed. He said that photography is how you see things and how you set up a photograph, not what fancy settings you have on your expensive camera.

Of course Adobe wants people to believe that newer versions make people a better artist, mostly because that's how they make their money. I'm sure I could put out the work I'm doing now with Photoshop 3 and Quark 4, but without layers, and layered tifs, it makes my job a little harder. But to say someone is not a professional because of this is pure ignorance.

Fishes,
narco.

[narco]

[QUOTE=717]Well said. This is why i'm stil on Quark 4.1 and on Illustrator 5.5 in classic mode (and they startup faster). I have Illustrator 10 and it s*cks on a 2.0MP G5.

if illustrator sucks on ur dp g5 then u have bigger problems.
if ur using illustrator 5.5 then u are certinaly not a professional the design industry.

Illustrator 10 also sucks on my 2.0ghz G5, mostly because it crashes a lot. For the most part, I use 9.0, but 5.5 is a bit drastic.

Fishes,
narco.

[evilernie]

In my workplace I am the only one with OSX because I needed it to run Dreamweaver (at least that's what I told them so they would get me OSX! :D )

Two other designers are totally afraid to upgrade to OSX. They are using Quark 5. And the three others that lay out books and publications still use Quark 4! One of them is still using a power pc! They are DEATHLY afraid of any type of change whatsoever. Why does this piss me off? Because they're total lack of ambition when it comes to keeping up with the latest technology is dragging me down. I cannot get the latest version of anything unless others get it too, but they don't want it. Dammit, I want inDesign. :mad:

[tech4all]

if ur using illustrator 5.5 then u are certinaly not a professional the design industry.

What are you talking about? I can't believe anybody would even say that. Plus you're being a hypocrite, you're defining who is a "professional" based on what version of software someone uses, when you're using "words" like, "ur" and "u". Real professional :rolleyes:


Give me a break.

[Blue Velvet]

Two other designers are totally afraid to upgrade to OSX. They are using Quark 5. And the three others that lay out books and publications still use Quark 4! One of them is still using a power pc! They are DEATHLY afraid of any type of change whatsoever. Why does this piss me off? Because they're total lack of ambition when it comes to keeping up with the latest technology is dragging me down.

I know a few places like that that only moved to OS X when they had to, when one or more of their ancient Macs crapped out. The learning curve for them wasn't anticipated and they really struggled...

A planned and scheduled roll-out with some time set aside for training is the best way to do it.

What it takes is someone with the guts and drive to force it through and to point out to the money people that it's just storing up problems for later while key staff keep their heads in the sand.