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MacRumors
Jul 20, 2011, 09:42 PM
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It's not just counterfeit iPads (http://www.redmondpie.com/ipad-clone-for-290-dollars-9140573/) and iPhones (http://www.businessinsider.com/fake-iphone-2011-1) that turn up in China. There are knockoff Apple Stores as well. The anonymous writer behind the BirdAbroad (http://birdabroad.wordpress.com/) blog ran into a fake Apple Retail Store (http://birdabroad.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/are-you-listening-steve-jobs/) -- complete with wood floors, blue t-shirts and lanyards -- in Kunming, China.
It's an Apple store!

Or is it?

RP and I went inside and poked around. They looked like Apple products. It looked like an Apple store. It had the classic Apple store winding staircase and weird upstairs sitting area. The employees were even wearing those blue t-shirts with the chunky Apple name tags around their necks...

Being the curious types that we are, we struck up some conversation with these salespeople who, hand to God, all genuinely think they work for Apple. I tried to imagine the training that they went to when they were hired, in which they were pitched some big speech about how they were working for this innovative, global company - when really they're just filling the pockets of some shyster living in a prefab mansion outside the city by standing around a fake store disinterestedly selling what may or may not be actual Apple products that fell off the back of a truck somewhere.http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/07/IMG_6533-500x375.jpg


The full blog post is a great read (http://birdabroad.wordpress.com/2011/07/20/are-you-listening-steve-jobs/), with many details about the fake stores (plural!) she ran into. Her post has been covered extensively (http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/the-rise-of-the-fake-apple-store/), but Apple has declined to comment about the fake stores.

Article Link: Counterfeit Apple Stores Pop Up In China (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/20/counterfeit-apple-stores-pop-up-in-china/)



toddybody
Jul 20, 2011, 09:46 PM
Onion Article?

Mitchelino
Jul 20, 2011, 09:47 PM
Wow! Looks legit from the photos (if those are photos from the store in China).

Nielsenius
Jul 20, 2011, 09:48 PM
Onion Article?
Yeah... is this some kind of sick, screwed up joke?!

S.Jobs
Jul 20, 2011, 09:51 PM
if i walked into that store in the photos i would not be able to tell the difference

Sparced
Jul 20, 2011, 09:52 PM
I burst out laughing when I read the headline. Immediately imagined everything in the store made out of paper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK3pz1lmJA

litchie
Jul 20, 2011, 09:56 PM
It is crazy. Aside from use of Apple logos, can you patent a store design?

alphaod
Jul 20, 2011, 09:57 PM
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All Apple needs to do is take ownership, add some iPad displays, and change the sign to a silver background.

Isn't that great? No cost of construction, furnishing, hiring. All paid for.

Tucom
Jul 20, 2011, 10:06 PM
I burst out laughing when I read the headline. Immediately imagined everything in the store made out of paper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK3pz1lmJA

That comedy sketch is absolutely fantastic! Is it scripted or did the black/dark skinned folk not really know what was going on initially? Brilliant.

Amazing Iceman
Jul 20, 2011, 10:06 PM
Good to know, as I may go to China soon, and I'm sure I would have run into one of those stores.

I guess the unexpected happens in China.

angex79
Jul 20, 2011, 10:07 PM
It's cool... :D:D I mean, in the sense that those guys has no limit to what they can copy. Reminded me those Superman series with the Bizarre Superman, who in fact believed he was the real one. but let's not go so far, have you seen any other companies @CA that does the same? analyze it and you'll find the answer ... just a few miles away. LOL. :D:D:D:D Anyway to be consistent with my header, would be great to have a pic of the products they sell on this store. :):apple:

syedhussain
Jul 20, 2011, 10:26 PM
I am actually very surprised that these counterfeit stores haven't been blogged about before. It is shocking that no one who is familiar with the functionality of an apple product to go to those "apple stores" and say something about them online.

koruki
Jul 20, 2011, 10:27 PM
Being Chinese but not growing up in China, the culture shock is huge. We got a contract request for an iOS app from China recently and they showed us what type of app they wanted. They took a well known existing app and photoshopped a different letter into the app icon and expected to be copied exactly. Not surprisingly we said no. :confused:

Justinf79
Jul 20, 2011, 11:01 PM
I bet Steve Jobs and a few Apple guys with baseball bats stroll in and begin to trash the place.

dawnrazor
Jul 20, 2011, 11:19 PM
This is hilarious...

Mike84
Jul 20, 2011, 11:23 PM
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It is crazy. Aside from use of Apple logos, can you patent a store design?

No.

You can trademark it, though. Known as trade dress.

spillproof
Jul 20, 2011, 11:24 PM
Too bad Apple doesn't actually write "Apple Store" on their signs.

lord patton
Jul 20, 2011, 11:35 PM
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I bet Steve Jobs and a few Apple guys with baseball bats stroll in and begin to trash the place.

"buy 'em out, boys!"

No, wait, that was B.G.

DisMyMac
Jul 20, 2011, 11:36 PM
Only western vanity makes it wrong in any way.

It's a different culture with different values, and one I respect more than our own faux democracy.

RafaelT
Jul 20, 2011, 11:44 PM
That is just crazy...

Tucom
Jul 20, 2011, 11:49 PM
At least they're selling real Apple products and the people believe that they're really working for Apple and have a nice lay-out and representation (seemingly so) of the quality and clean setup of a real Apple store which means newcomers to anything-Apple will hopefully get a quality, real good first impression akin to what people would get in real Apple stores.


Like at least (as it would seem) not everybody in the store is a giant scheme to make faux Apple stores, just the people who have money and relative power there :rolleyes: :mad:


iMad! lol, nah, but really interesting and kind of sad IMO.

Then again, food for thought, could be out of just good hearted souls to bring Apple stores where Apple would never build them :D

Doctor Q
Jul 20, 2011, 11:52 PM
As long as they fix my fake Mac and fake iPhone, which I can't tell are fake, then I guess I have no complaints!

syedhussain
Jul 21, 2011, 12:10 AM
the funniest part of this is that the workers there actually think they work for apple. FAIL

42streetsdown
Jul 21, 2011, 12:31 AM
As long as they fix my fake Mac and fake iPhone, which I can't tell are fake, then I guess I have no complaints!

are there knockoff Macs out there? i've seen fake iPods, but never a fake Mac. hmmm....

wackymacky
Jul 21, 2011, 12:59 AM
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You just got to love China!

XxMMxX
Jul 21, 2011, 01:14 AM
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You just got to love China!

Yus<3 lol

sporadicMotion
Jul 21, 2011, 02:14 AM
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That's hilarious. Mapple? Do they carry iPhonies?

Adidas Addict
Jul 21, 2011, 02:27 AM
are there knockoff Macs out there? i've seen fake iPods, but never a fake Mac. hmmm....

Yes, and lots of them too.

Have a look over a MicGadget.com (MIC=Made In China)

For example:

http://micgadget.com/1649/macbook-air-knockoff-full-review-unboxing-and-hands-on/

Most are usually based on netbook components.

yauzers619
Jul 21, 2011, 02:30 AM
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A copy that just isn't right. This is how I feel about a lot if things in China.

The new Chinese stealth fighter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12266973.

All the wares (DVDs, spoof luxary items) you see walking through Shenzen.

The day that China truely innovates, is the day we are really in trouble.

Adidas Addict
Jul 21, 2011, 02:34 AM
http://img.pics.livedoor.com/011/9/a/9af9e1268b25d2dcdf98-L.jpg

Zubba
Jul 21, 2011, 03:40 AM
Only western vanity makes it wrong in any way.

It's a different culture with different values, and one I respect more than our own faux democracy.

It's wrong in every way. Since you obviously can't understand the concept of why that is, I'll explain in as simple a terms as can be mustered. The idea of intellectual property has been the foundation that provides us with the impetus to develop new technologies and advancements. If a business can't reap the rewards of its research, there is less of an incentive to develop anything new. The system has been the reason why we've seen an explosion of discoveries and innovations over the last two hundred years.

Before you go off and espouse some sort of moral high ground with a love for Chinese culture, consider the fact that nearly all the significant innovations of the modern world have been developed in the west, under cultures that value the idea of intellectual property.

China's great contribution to modern man has been cheap labor and a new twist on totalitarianism. Here's hoping they can learn to appreciate the value of intellectual property, and actually contribute to the spirit of innovation instead of being limited to the reproduction of the ideas of another.

MCP-511
Jul 21, 2011, 04:01 AM
Fake store but real Apple prices. Probably make a lot doing that in a short amount of time. :eek:

baryon
Jul 21, 2011, 04:13 AM
I heard they even have their own knock-off Steve Jobs!

Lone Deranger
Jul 21, 2011, 04:24 AM
To all those people who criticize Apple for protecting their patents, trademarks, intellectual property, etc: "This is what would happen if you don't!"

Deedolito
Jul 21, 2011, 04:59 AM
Comments like "ooh it's a different culture...who can blame them" make me sick. Been over there and they know exactly what they are doing.

This is so lame... hope they get shut down ASAP.

MrSmith
Jul 21, 2011, 06:02 AM
It's a 3rd world dive. What do you expect?

lifeinhd
Jul 21, 2011, 06:35 AM
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9to5mac ran the same story yesterday. However, a lot of their commenters said it was a third-party reseller store. Don't know if that's true or not. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1RD7l30frtEJ:9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/chinas-fake-apple-store/

AtomicEdge
Jul 21, 2011, 06:44 AM
The thing with Chinese Apple stores, is that they all look the same...

yjchua95
Jul 21, 2011, 06:45 AM
This is the reason why I never buy anything in China.
Who knows one day they might put harmful chemicals on the surface of a fake MacBook and when your fingers touch it, it would be burned, like acid on your fingers.
Mind you, it has happened before (on other products, though).
I'm a Chinese-Portuguese mix (with Swiss citizenship) and seriously, all these piracy going on in China is appalling.
First, ridiculous politics there (like the Spratly Islands issue), then tainted food and pirated electronics. I wouldn't be surprised if they were to make a knockoff Mercedes-Benz :D

skbt
Jul 21, 2011, 06:55 AM
Here's some shots from a fake apple store in Xian, China. I visited this one in May.

http://imgur.com/a/xGgdw#0ZL04

They also had a 'no pictures' policy, but I just pretended I was playing with my iphone.

Morod
Jul 21, 2011, 07:02 AM
Onion Article?

Nope. ABC news did a story on this yesterday and I saw it on their evening news:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=14122593

HelveticaRoman
Jul 21, 2011, 07:24 AM
I bet all the stuff they're selling was made in China too!

underkuerbis
Jul 21, 2011, 07:32 AM
Some people state those are 'High Quality Dealers' and 'Authorized Dealers'.
Apparently you can find those stores on http://www.apple.com.cn/reseller/location.php?cid=88&keyword=%E6%98%86%E6%98%8E Copy and paste it on Google Translator to see for yourself.
The 'Stoer' appears to be a joke by an owner of one of those stores or, infact, simply a typo.

bigjnyc
Jul 21, 2011, 07:34 AM
Here's some shots from a fake apple store in Xian, China. I visited this one in May.

http://imgur.com/a/xGgdw#0ZL04

They also had a 'no pictures' policy, but I just pretended I was playing with my iphone.

Wow that one actually looks real... They got the sign outside right, just the glowing Apple... If I were visiting China I wouldn't know any better, I would think I stumbled across an Apple store.... Are all the products in there real?? I wonder how they "obtain" them for cheaper in order to make a profit.

NebulaClash
Jul 21, 2011, 08:00 AM
Shows you how much the Apple brand is now valued in China, and thus what a good opportunity Apple has to expand its retail presence throughout the country. If they imitate you, they admire you.

BJMRamage
Jul 21, 2011, 08:08 AM
Wow! Really disturbing.
To those who say a different culture/they have to make a living/they want their Apple stuff, think about it like this the same could be said of those that rob/steal your Apple stuff from your home. Maybe that person grew up thinking it is OK to steal to get the stuff you want rather than earn money and buying it on your own.

Who knows if they are in fact real/stolen Apple devices. If they are fakes an even bigger scam to those people who think they are real going there. And if they break it'll be the Real Apple that they will be upset with. This is bad for the Apple Brand. If they are real but stolen it doesn't benefit Apple. If they are refurbed it makes the products look real and thus another strike against the brand.

Adidas Addict
Jul 21, 2011, 08:39 AM
None of you will be slagging off China in a few years once you're forced to wear this outfit :p

http://media.lonelyplanet.com/lpimg/8/8-46/preview.jpg

skbt
Jul 21, 2011, 08:45 AM
Wow that one actually looks real... They got the sign outside right, just the glowing Apple... If I were visiting China I wouldn't know any better, I would think I stumbled across an Apple store.... Are all the products in there real?? I wonder how they "obtain" them for cheaper in order to make a profit.

The products are real; no doubt about it. The interesting aspects were that:

1) they didn't stock apple-branded accessories like the other apple store (headphones, cases, docks, etc)

and

2) the guy behind the counter is using a Dell computer and monitor.

darbus69
Jul 21, 2011, 09:29 AM
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considering that we do not have an apple store within 200 miles (Lewiston, Idaho), this just might be the solution to our problem!

winston1236
Jul 21, 2011, 09:36 AM
its their stiff uptight culture that prevents them being able to innovate

Winni
Jul 21, 2011, 09:42 AM
It's wrong in every way. Since you obviously can't understand the concept of why that is, I'll explain in as simple a terms as can be mustered. The idea of intellectual property has been the foundation that provides us with the impetus to develop new technologies and advancements. If a business can't reap the rewards of its research, there is less of an incentive to develop anything new. The system has been the reason why we've seen an explosion of discoveries and innovations over the last two hundred years.

Before you go off and espouse some sort of moral high ground with a love for Chinese culture, consider the fact that nearly all the significant innovations of the modern world have been developed in the west, under cultures that value the idea of intellectual property.

China's great contribution to modern man has been cheap labor and a new twist on totalitarianism. Here's hoping they can learn to appreciate the value of intellectual property, and actually contribute to the spirit of innovation instead of being limited to the reproduction of the ideas of another.

The truth is rather that we've seen innovation DESPITE "intellectual property" laws.

How can someone OWN an idea? If you've applied today's IP laws backwards, someone would now own a patent for the wheel and a monk would own the cyrillic alphabet - and could charge the Russian population for license fees because of their daily copyright infringement.

The entire IP system is ridiculous. And just in case that you don't know where it comes from: It was invented for people who owned book printing businesses. Repeat: To protect the interest of people who owned the PRINTING business, NOT the author of the book!

IP laws are not designed to foster innovation, they are designed to restrict others from using someone else's IP.

The system gets totally absurd when it comes to software patents, and it's a good thing that this is mostly an American problem and has not yet spread to Europe. In fact, as you could read a couple of days ago on the web, several European software developers have removed their products from Apple's US App Store because of the legal issues they might face because of your patent system that easily allows for trivial patents. Those developers think that even though they would eventually win in case of a lawsuit, the costs are prohibitive and it would not make any economic sense to still do business in the US.

Some much for the "value" of the idea of IP. Copyrights might be a necessary evil, but current laws have gone far beyond what is necessary and healthy and are just hurting progress and business.

wrkactjob
Jul 21, 2011, 10:55 AM
Wow! Guess we have all heard of fake Apple hardware, but entire stores with fake staff and everything?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14236786

awer25
Jul 21, 2011, 10:57 AM
Welcome to China ;)

benthewraith
Jul 21, 2011, 10:57 AM
Wow! Guess we have all heard of fake Apple hardware, but entire stores with fake staff and everything?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14236786

Only in China.

hajime
Jul 21, 2011, 11:18 AM
Do they have the fake version of the latest MBA running Lion as well?
Do they accept counterfeit bills or credit cards?

Tucom
Jul 21, 2011, 01:30 PM
There are evidently TONS of fake Apple Stores all over China, as lame and pathetic as it is, I think if Apple really made a real store there they would probably garner a lot of busniess.


Anyone ever see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAiYotYfUCc&feature=related


Maybe they drank too much lead water in China :rolleyes: :mad:

Tucom
Jul 21, 2011, 01:34 PM
Looks like Apple is well aware of the situation: http://micgadget.com/13778/apple-plans-to-open-retail-stores-in-southern-china/


Excellent.

Foxer
Jul 21, 2011, 01:46 PM
The truth is rather that we've seen innovation DESPITE "intellectual property" laws.

How can someone OWN an idea? If you've applied today's IP laws backwards, someone would now own a patent for the wheel and a monk would own the cyrillic alphabet - and could charge the Russian population for license fees because of their daily copyright infringement.

The entire IP system is ridiculous. And just in case that you don't know where it comes from: It was invented for people who owned book printing businesses. Repeat: To protect the interest of people who owned the PRINTING business, NOT the author of the book!

IP laws are not designed to foster innovation, they are designed to restrict others from using someone else's IP.

The system gets totally absurd when it comes to software patents, and it's a good thing that this is mostly an American problem and has not yet spread to Europe. In fact, as you could read a couple of days ago on the web, several European software developers have removed their products from Apple's US App Store because of the legal issues they might face because of your patent system that easily allows for trivial patents. Those developers think that even though they would eventually win in case of a lawsuit, the costs are prohibitive and it would not make any economic sense to still do business in the US.

Some much for the "value" of the idea of IP. Copyrights might be a necessary evil, but current laws have gone far beyond what is necessary and healthy and are just hurting progress and business.


The laws may be a "modern" invention, although they've existed in this country since its inception over two centuries ago, but the concept exsited long before, even in Europe.

You're right about the printing business. Guttenberg himself invented the modern printing press to make money. He protected his investment by keeping the process strictly confidential, licensing the technology and binding those franchisees to strict confidentiality agreements. Not too disimilar than today's system.

So the concept of invention and progress in order to get rich is quite old. And quite European.

Ironduke
Jul 21, 2011, 02:47 PM
I bet Steve Jobs and a few Apple guys with baseball bats stroll in and begin to trash the place.

I bet they don't:rolleyes:

Doctor Q
Jul 21, 2011, 02:54 PM
Here's some shots from a fake apple store in Xian, China. I visited this one in May.

http://imgur.com/a/xGgdw#0ZL04

They also had a 'no pictures' policy, but I just pretended I was playing with my iphone.
From your photo outside it appears that they didn't tilt the leaf on the logo properly.

295021

Tucom
Jul 21, 2011, 03:06 PM
Thats a killer PWND observation, haha, yeah..if Apple made a mistake like that then I'd expect them to go out of business soon (because they're perfectionists).


Lol, nice try China :rolleyes:

HelveticaRoman
Jul 21, 2011, 03:35 PM
To use Apple's own motto: it's the future, get over it.

mrsir2009
Jul 21, 2011, 04:08 PM
Apple should take it over, but keep it running as a proper Apple store. Everybody wins.

PracticalMac
Jul 21, 2011, 06:25 PM
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All Apple needs to do is take ownership, add some iPad displays, and change the sign to a silver background.

Isn't that great? No cost of construction, furnishing, hiring. All paid for.

Yeah!

To truly be Apple store, need to do some work, but it looks like 3/4 of the effort is already done.

The thing is, when you have such motivated people one does best to make them legit, not shut them down.

localoid
Jul 21, 2011, 06:44 PM
To use Apple's own motto: it's the future, get over it.

In the future, every store will be an Apple store... for 15 minutes.

DisMyMac
Jul 21, 2011, 08:03 PM
None of you will be slagging off China in a few years once you're forced to wear this outfit :p


Nobody has been forced to wear those outfits since the 1970s, about the same time the U.S. was forcing people to wear uniforms and go kill people in Asia. Perhaps he would look cooler in designer jeans and a black turtleneck, but he isn't trying to impress shallow women or trendy gay lads…. That you would exhibit his choice of clothes helps prove my point about western vanity.

ade2bee
Jul 22, 2011, 04:17 AM
I can't believe the smugness of some of the people in this room, let alone that of 'Apple Store employees'. No wonder China is accelerating away under the west's noses. Don't believe the hype you read in the papers, China, although it has it's problems, has amazing and very credible unauthorised Apple stores along with a wide spectrum of retailers we'd be proud to have in our high streets.

Those who have made such condescending comments should be ashamed, can you imagine what an Chinaman would think coming in here to read this article would think... Besides, with corrupt police and town councils taking over US towns and illegal Hacking going on throughout the establishment and governments of countries, the west's records aren't that clean...

Let's for goodness sake think global Mac community :-)

unexploded
Jul 22, 2011, 08:10 AM
From your photo outside it appears that they didn't tilt the leaf on the logo properly.

295021

I do believe the genuine Apple shop on the right is my local one in Birmingham, England.

Doctor Q
Jul 22, 2011, 04:40 PM
I do believe the genuine Apple shop on the right is my local one in Birmingham, England.
Maybe the one in China is real and you've been fooled by a fake one in Birmingham! :p

Nostromo
Jul 23, 2011, 12:12 AM
We had Steve Jobs doppelgangers, now we have counterfeit Apple Stores .

Macist
Jul 23, 2011, 06:06 AM
Why are people up in arms? It seems they are selling actual Apple products not fakes.

A local Apple dealer here in the UK has clearly made itself look a lot more like a clean, minimalist Apple Store and use the Apple logo. I don't think many would assume it's an Apple Store but the Chinese here have only gone a tiny bit further.

This could just be a Chinese Apple dealer going for perfectionism.