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pinktank
Jul 21, 2011, 05:17 AM
Update: Please submit your original results using the form and edit your original post to reflect that you have done so, I will try to do a manual count later on.

There seems to be confusion regarding ssd speed variances between models, let's solve it by sharing our builds. Please bear in mind that one is not necessarily lesser, we don't have data to confirm such a judgment.

Use the newly made google form HERE (https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHFhcmFieEZzMmtSZjdwWDNhNVlPOFE6MQ) by slackie to submit results

Results can be seen HERE (https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq4LUv8YJH25dHFhcmFieEZzMmtSZjdwWDNhNVlPOFE&hl=en_US#gid=0)

SSD Identification

-Applications > Utilities > System Profiler /click on the apple to the top left > about this mac > more info
-Find Serial-Ata on the left bar about 15 items down
-Post what's written on your device tree to the right under intel 6

example: 11" - TS128C

Display Identification

-open terminal
-paste 'ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6' (without quotes)
-the first line is your display model

example: 13" ultimate - LTH133BT01A01



jenzjen
Jul 21, 2011, 08:05 AM
Base 13" - TS128C & 9CDF

Philflow
Jul 21, 2011, 08:36 AM
Good idea. I'm very curious to see the part number of the 256GB SSD in 13".

housecat
Jul 21, 2011, 09:31 AM
Elsewhere in the forum someone confirmed that their 256 was a Toshiba. Another person claims their 128 is a Samsung. Weird stuff.

Philflow
Jul 21, 2011, 09:41 AM
Elsewhere in the forum someone confirmed that their 256 was a Toshiba. Another person claims their 128 is a Samsung. Weird stuff.

It's the same as with MBA 2010. All models can be equipped with Samsung or Toshiba SSDs. While the Samung is slightly faster in benchmarks, in real world they perform very similar.

Oppressed
Jul 21, 2011, 09:47 AM
To replace the SSD with another brand half way through it's life cycle is one thing, but I don't want to buy a 2011 MBA and play Russian Roulette in hope of getting a better SSD.

pinktank
Jul 21, 2011, 10:18 AM
that's the idea, now if more people post, we might be able to figure out something.

pinktank
Jul 21, 2011, 10:23 AM
From another thread, user:Frostywinter
13" i7 - TS256C

stevenpa
Jul 21, 2011, 10:41 AM
Been seeing Toshiba everywhere, if I have time today I'm going to Apple store and checking every display model. Would really like to get the Samsung.

pinktank
Jul 21, 2011, 10:45 AM
would be great if you could note them down and post it

rabid snake
Jul 21, 2011, 10:50 AM
I have the MBA 11" (1.6 ghz i5, 128GB SSD, 4GB RAM).

My SSD: APPLE SSD SM128C
My Display: 9CF3

Anyone know what manufacture my display is made by?

Oppressed
Jul 21, 2011, 10:58 AM
Could it be that its just completely random what you get? It would seem that the Laptopmag's review got a Toshiba in their 11 inch model and Samsung in their 13 inch.

stevenpa
Jul 21, 2011, 11:07 AM
I have the MBA 11" (1.6 ghz i5, 128GB SSD, 4GB RAM).

My SSD: APPLE SSD SM128C
My Display: 9CF3

Anyone know what manufacture my display is made by?

Samsung you got lucky :D

EDIT: that is for the SSD.

ccsicecoke
Jul 21, 2011, 11:16 AM
2011- 13''/i7/256GB

SM256C

LTH133BT01A03

Oppressed
Jul 21, 2011, 11:20 AM
This is actually a serious issue because I'm sure people will buy a new MBA, check to see if its Samsung, and if not return it during the 14 day return time and turn around and buy another.

Why would you NOT want to get the best components for your shiny new MBA?

striker33
Jul 21, 2011, 11:24 AM
I have the MBA 11" (1.6 ghz i5, 128GB SSD, 4GB RAM).

My SSD: APPLE SSD SM128C
My Display: 9CF3

Anyone know what manufacture my display is made by?

LG seems to ring a bell for that particular display.

If you've ever got a Samsung display before you'll be able to tell the difference. If not, then you have nothing to compare it to, so all is good :)

Davidkoh
Jul 21, 2011, 11:28 AM
Why would you NOT want to get the best components for your shiny new MBA?

Because it's annoying? :p I'll keep whatever I get, I bet it wont be bad either way.

Apple Expert
Jul 21, 2011, 11:29 AM
This is actually a serious issue because I'm sure people will buy a new MBA, check to see if its Samsung, and if not return it during the 14 day return time and turn around and buy another.

Why would you NOT want to get the best components for your shiny new MBA?

You might be right. However me personally I would much rather be happy with a perfect laptop with no dead pixels and that is dead silent. Even if I had a toshiba drive.

Tootles
Jul 21, 2011, 11:33 AM
To replace the SSD with another brand half way through it's life cycle is one thing, but I don't want to buy a 2011 MBA and play Russian Roulette in hope of getting a better SSD.

I'm not following what you said. Are you implying that Apple decided to solder-in the SSD of the 2011 MBA after all? Or is there anything else stopping someone from self-replacing the SSD after purchase?

melterx12
Jul 21, 2011, 11:45 AM
13" base model:

SSD: SM128C

Display: LP133WP1-TJA3

So then Samsung SSD and LG-Phillips display

PDFierro
Jul 21, 2011, 11:46 AM
This is actually a serious issue because I'm sure people will buy a new MBA, check to see if its Samsung, and if not return it during the 14 day return time and turn around and buy another.

Why would you NOT want to get the best components for your shiny new MBA?

Who would go through such a hassle? You could repeat that process over and over, and if you've been waiting forever for the Air then that's not going to be helpful. Just ordering the ultimate is fine for most of us.

stevenpa
Jul 21, 2011, 11:50 AM
Who would go through such a hassle? You could repeat that process over and over, and if you've been waiting forever for the Air then that's not going to be helpful. Just ordering the ultimate is fine for most of us.

If you are spending 2k on a laptop after tax and applecare, it better have the parts you want. Apple putting in the older and slower Toshiba drives in some models would make me want to return it. I'm giving you a ton of money for not that much power at least be decent enough to give me the better drive or standardize the cheaper drive.

Oppressed
Jul 21, 2011, 11:53 AM
I'm not following what you said. Are you implying that Apple decided to solder-in the SSD of the 2011 MBA after all? Or is there anything else stopping someone from self-replacing the SSD after purchase?

Mid way through the 2010 MBA life cycle Apple replaced the Toshiba SSD with a Samsung SSD which was faster then the Toshiba one. They never told anyone. Now the 2011 models have a mix of the two and as you can see with the benchmarks one has a decent speed increase over the other.

stevenpa
Jul 21, 2011, 11:55 AM
LG seems to ring a bell for that particular display.

If you've ever got a Samsung display before you'll be able to tell the difference. If not, then you have nothing to compare it to, so all is good :)

Which display would be considered the best?

Kehletten
Jul 21, 2011, 11:58 AM
OK, so I get the point with the Samsung drives VS. the Toshiba ones.

But what is it with the different displays ?? Which is the best, and what are the build number for the best one ? :)

melterx12
Jul 21, 2011, 12:02 PM
what's wrong with toshiba SSD's? I mean I would prefer a samsung SSD over a toshiba one because I know samsung as a company makes good quality products, but I wouldn't go exchange my MBA just because it has a toshiba SSD instead of a samsung...

Kehletten
Jul 21, 2011, 12:06 PM
what's wrong with toshiba SSD's? I mean I would prefer a samsung SSD over a toshiba one because I know samsung as a company makes good quality products, but I wouldn't go exchange my MBA just because it has a toshiba SSD instead of a samsung...

The Samsung SSD is remarkable faster than the Toshiba ones... ;)

striker33
Jul 21, 2011, 12:12 PM
Which display would be considered the best?

Samsung displays are the better ones, but tbh both are high quality laptop displays.

If I remember correctly the main differences is with the viewing angles, with the Samsung offering better vertical angles.

I really wouldn't worry though. The MBA screens are the best I've seen on a laptop, especially in the 13".

Kehletten
Jul 21, 2011, 12:14 PM
Samsung displays are the better ones, but tbh both are high quality laptop displays.

If I remember correctly the main differences is with the viewing angles, with the Samsung offering better vertical angles.

I really wouldn't worry though. The MBA screens are the best I've seen on a laptop, especially in the 13".

But can you say which build numbers to look for?

striker33
Jul 21, 2011, 12:18 PM
But can you say which build numbers to look for?

Unfortunately I can't remember the right numbers to look out for.

I'm sure there'll be some threads on here based on the 2010 Air's, which will still be valid as the screens used in the 2011 models are the same as last years.

melterx12
Jul 21, 2011, 12:19 PM
The Samsung SSD is remarkable faster than the Toshiba ones... ;)

source? i am interested to see this!

PDFierro
Jul 21, 2011, 12:19 PM
If you are spending 2k on a laptop after tax and applecare, it better have the parts you want. Apple putting in the older and slower Toshiba drives in some models would make me want to return it. I'm giving you a ton of money for not that much power at least be decent enough to give me the better drive or standardize the cheaper drive.

I care about having the best parts in my machine, but to me it's not something worth returning and rebuying over. I just want to get started using a Mac.

stevenpa
Jul 21, 2011, 12:32 PM
I care about having the best parts in my machine, but to me it's not something worth returning and rebuying over. I just want to get started using a Mac.

True, but for me I would like for the MBA to last me at least 3 years of everyday use, and I would like to get the best. I mean you'll be spending at least 3000 hours on a laptop over three years. A slight improvement on viewing angles and slightly faster SSD performance is worth it.


On a side note, if the SSD fails and Apple replaces it, would you be able to choose Samsung or Toshiba?

stevenpa
Jul 21, 2011, 12:32 PM
source? i am interested to see this!

Laptop mag review for 2011 and plenty for the 2010 model.

magbarn
Jul 21, 2011, 12:34 PM
I wonder if the decision to go back to the crappy toshiba drives is the Apple/Samsung android spat? Either case I really hope mine comes with a Samsung drive as the Toshiba's even lack basic native command queing which can help in Win7 performance

Philflow
Jul 21, 2011, 12:38 PM
source? i am interested to see this!

The Samsung has higher sequential throughput:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4275/apple-now-using-samsung-ssds-in-macbook-air

Random performance is very similar.

Oppressed
Jul 21, 2011, 12:43 PM
I wonder if the decision to go back to the crappy toshiba drives is the Apple/Samsung android spat? Either case I really hope mine comes with a Samsung drive as the Toshiba's even lack basic native command queing which can help in Win7 performance

That would be a good reason if they all were Toshiba and no Samsung, but there is just a mix of the two with no rhyme or reason.

maka344
Jul 21, 2011, 12:44 PM
2011- 13''/i5/256GB

SM256C

magbarn
Jul 21, 2011, 12:46 PM
2011- 13''/i5/256GB

SM256C

LUCKY!
I really thought after leaving DellHell, I would be leaving the laptop component lottery! Dell is a major crapshoot as their screens can vary widely within the same model.

maka344
Jul 21, 2011, 12:51 PM
LUCKY!
I really thought after leaving DellHell, I would be leaving the laptop component lottery! Dell is a major crapshoot as their screens can vary widely within the same model.

I understand your pain. what is the actual difference between the two drives makes?

Tootles
Jul 21, 2011, 12:51 PM
Why worry about this, when you can upgrade to an SSD from OWC that's both bigger and better? Is Apple soldering the SSD in now after all?

daza1000
Jul 21, 2011, 01:03 PM
13" base TS128C & LTH133BT01A03 what do i have

usman.rz
Jul 21, 2011, 01:07 PM
13" i7

SSD - SM256C (Samsung)
Display - LTH133BT01A03 (Manufacturer?)

Kehletten
Jul 21, 2011, 01:09 PM
Why worry about this, when you can upgrade to an SSD from OWC that's both bigger and better? Is Apple soldering the SSD in now after all?

Jep, that's what I've heard...

Mikael
Jul 21, 2011, 01:18 PM
13" i7

SSD - SM256C (Samsung)
Display - LTH133BT01A03 (Manufacturer?)
Congrats, that appears to be a Samsung panel!

maka344
Jul 21, 2011, 01:28 PM
Just checked my screen... I have LTH133BT01A03

So the Samsung screen and Samsung SSD I'm happy

usman.rz
Jul 21, 2011, 01:29 PM
Congrats, that appears to be a Samsung panel!

Thanks - I didn't realize that there were differences in the components until today. I guess that's what happens when you're not in the market to buy a new laptop, you stop paying attention to the details. Apparently I lucked out.

daza1000
Jul 21, 2011, 01:45 PM
i got a Samsung panel at least :)

LeakedDave
Jul 21, 2011, 01:50 PM
APPLE SSD SM256C:

Capacity: 251 GB (251,000,193,024 bytes)
Model: APPLE SSD SM256C
Revision: AXM09A1Q
Serial Number: S0N8NEAB302870
Native Command Queuing: Yes
Queue Depth: 32
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Medium Type: Solid State
TRIM Support: Yes
Partition Map Type: GPT (GUID Partition Table)
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
disk0s1:
Capacity: 209.7 MB (209,715,200 bytes)
BSD Name: disk0s1
Content: EFI
Macintosh HD:
Capacity: 250.14 GB (250,140,434,432 bytes)
Available: 174.7 GB (174,695,411,712 bytes)
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk0s2
Mount Point: /
Content: Apple_HFS
Recovery HD:
Capacity: 650 MB (650,002,432 bytes)
BSD Name: disk0s3
Content: Apple_Boot

N1zmo
Jul 21, 2011, 01:54 PM
What panel is:

LP116WH4-TJA3

usman.rz
Jul 21, 2011, 02:20 PM
What panel is:

LP116WH4-TJA3

LG Phillips is you base it off the LP.

13" base model:

Display: LP133WP1-TJA3

So then Samsung SSD and LG-Phillips display

eeptman
Jul 21, 2011, 02:24 PM
13" i7:
SM256C
LTH133BT01A03

I guess they are good, right?:confused:

Tootles
Jul 21, 2011, 02:31 PM
The SSD is not soldered-in. (http://www.storagereview.com/apple_macbook_air_july2011_ssd_dissected) (click that to see a teardown of the 2011 MBA).

Philflow
Jul 21, 2011, 02:38 PM
13" i7:
SM256C
LTH133BT01A03

I guess they are good, right?:confused:

Yes you got lucky. The Samsung SSD is significantly faster than the Toshiba.

meaty
Jul 21, 2011, 02:42 PM
sm256c
LP133WPI-TJA3

can someone tell me what this means?

MacRumorUser
Jul 21, 2011, 02:46 PM
sm256c
LP133WPI-TJA3

can someone tell me what this means?

Samsung ssd

But LG Philips screen.

meaty
Jul 21, 2011, 02:54 PM
Samsung ssd

But LG Philips screen.

thanks. not to worried about the screen. it still look nice to me. anyone know a good way to see if there are any dead pixels?

N1zmo
Jul 21, 2011, 03:03 PM
LG Phillips is you base it off the LP.

Is the Samsung screen really better or is it a matter of opinion?

eeptman
Jul 21, 2011, 03:06 PM
Yes you got lucky. The Samsung SSD is significantly faster than the Toshiba.Thanks. I am so glad to have my new MBA.

thatsfinebut
Jul 21, 2011, 03:12 PM
When I was researching the 2011 15" MacBook Pro with HR matte screen, I thought designers on the Apple discussion forums were saying they preferred the LG displays because the whites were more accurate. I might be mistaken, but even if not, these are different displays/sizes. Does anyone know what I'm referring to?

stevenpa
Jul 21, 2011, 03:20 PM
Reading the threads it seems the Samsung has better viewing angles, but the difference is not that much.

magbarn
Jul 21, 2011, 03:20 PM
Why worry about this, when you can upgrade to an SSD from OWC that's both bigger and better? Is Apple soldering the SSD in now after all?

256gb is enough. And who in their right mind would pay for OWC ridiculous prices?!

melterx12
Jul 21, 2011, 03:37 PM
Is the Samsung screen really better or is it a matter of opinion?

both screens are about equal quality. I'm guessing most people would prefer a samsung panel because samsung is known to make great HDTV panels.

Infoteaka
Jul 21, 2011, 07:45 PM
This article from May claims that the Samsung SSD reads 25% faster and writes 20% faster than the Toshiba:

http://9to5mac.com/2011/04/16/apple-switches-from-toshiba-to-speedier-samsung-ssds-for-new-macbook-air-shipments/#idc-cover

I picked up a 13" MBA today, disappointed to find out it came with the Toshiba SSD

noodles5666
Jul 21, 2011, 07:50 PM
11" 128/4

sm128c
lp116wh4-tja3

John.B
Jul 21, 2011, 08:09 PM
256gb is enough. And who in their right mind would pay for OWC ridiculous prices?!
If you need 480GB flash storage in the MBA, it's the only game in town.

Apple Expert
Jul 21, 2011, 08:19 PM
Here's for my 13" Ultimate. Are they both Samsung?



LTH133BT01A03
APPLE SSD SM256C

theSeb
Jul 21, 2011, 08:49 PM
2011- 13''/i7/256GB

SM256C

teerexx52
Jul 21, 2011, 09:02 PM
SM064C for SSD. Anyone recognize it?

Oppressed
Jul 21, 2011, 09:03 PM
SM064C for SSD. Anyone recognize it?

Samsung 64 GB SSD

clyde2801
Jul 21, 2011, 09:18 PM
13" ultimate

samsung ssd
phillips display

h00ligan
Jul 21, 2011, 09:19 PM
13 ultimate
-------------

sm256c - ssd
LTH133BT01A03 - display

KPOM
Jul 21, 2011, 10:35 PM
11" 1.8GHz Core i7:Samsung SSD SM256C, LP116WH4-TJA3 display on mine.

There seems to be a pattern. Samsung SSDs with Philips displays, or Toshiba SSDs with the 9CDF display.

rabid snake
Jul 21, 2011, 10:43 PM
LG seems to ring a bell for that particular display.

If you've ever got a Samsung display before you'll be able to tell the difference. If not, then you have nothing to compare it to, so all is good :)

Just checked my display through terminal and it spat out LTH116AT01A04 which I'm guessing is Samsung actually!

Apple Expert
Jul 21, 2011, 10:54 PM
11" 1.8GHz Core i7:Samsung SSD SM256C, LP116WH4-TJA3 display on mine.

There seems to be a pattern. Samsung SSDs with Philips displays, or Toshiba SSDs with the 9CDF display.

Not always. Mine has both made by Samsung.

Here's for my 13" Ultimate. Are they both Samsung?

LTH133BT01A03
APPLE SSD SM256C

runtohell121
Jul 21, 2011, 11:25 PM
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I must be unlucky. I got the MacBook Air 11 and it has the Toshiba 128gb SSD and LG Philips display.. :/

tbobmccoy
Jul 21, 2011, 11:53 PM
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I must be unlucky. I got the MacBook Air 11 and it has the Toshiba 128gb SSD and LG Philips display.. :/

Me too... I'm going to call AppleCare tomorrow and see if they can just replace the SSD instead of the entire unit for me. I hate playing this lottery.

runtohell121
Jul 22, 2011, 12:02 AM
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I must be unlucky. I got the MacBook Air 11 and it has the Toshiba 128gb SSD and LG Philips display.. :/

Me too... I'm going to call AppleCare tomorrow and see if they can just replace the SSD instead of the entire unit for me. I hate playing this lottery.

Let me know if that is successful. I just want a Samsung SSD instead of the Toshiba SSD.

Geotrash
Jul 22, 2011, 12:04 AM
2011- 13''/i7/256GB

SM256C

LTH133BT01A03

Ditto. Mine's exactly the same.

Apple Expert
Jul 22, 2011, 12:13 AM
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Let me know if that is successful. I just want a Samsung SSD instead of the Toshiba SSD.

I highly doubt they will send you just the SSD. After all they don't want you to open the MBA or else they wouldn't have put these type of screws in there.

tbobmccoy
Jul 22, 2011, 12:28 AM
I highly doubt they will send you just the SSD. After all they don't want you to open the MBA or else they wouldn't have put these type of screws in there.

I'd bring it in for an SSD exchange. It's either that or exchange my whole unit and I'll try the lottery again. Their choice IMO.

PuckDaddy
Jul 22, 2011, 12:40 AM
13" base
SSD = APPLE SSD TS128C Media
Display = LTH133BT01A03

:o

jenzjen
Jul 22, 2011, 12:56 AM
I'd bring it in for an SSD exchange. It's either that or exchange my whole unit and I'll try the lottery again. Their choice IMO.

They will make you return it. People tried the same with the 2010 machines when the lottery was discovered. If you return it, you'll have better odds buying from a different place/method the 2nd time to try and ensure you are on a different distribution stack.

lvrzhn
Jul 22, 2011, 01:08 AM
I have a couple of probably really naive questions:

How can this happen to a company of this size, that a flaw of this magnitude (two SSD's with vastly different I/O speeds, two displays with different viewing angles) could have sneaked in the final product without anybody noticing?

Were they not aware of it and counted on enough people not hearing or caring about it?

How often can one return a Macbook Air in search for the right SSD/display combo?

meaty
Jul 22, 2011, 01:13 AM
so sm256c is toshiba?

MTD's Mac
Jul 22, 2011, 01:15 AM
2011- 13''/i7/256GB

SM256C

LTH133BT01A03

Same here.

drewyboy
Jul 22, 2011, 01:23 AM
So I see the theoretical speed difference, but what about real world differences? If I'm encoding a video, am I going to see a 1-5 sec difference on a 1-2min clip or am I going to see like a 30-60sec difference?

RobNor
Jul 22, 2011, 01:29 AM
I have the SM128 SSD in my 13" i5

Baycity
Jul 22, 2011, 01:54 AM
So I see the theoretical speed difference, but what about real world differences? If I'm encoding a video, am I going to see a 1-5 sec difference on a 1-2min clip or am I going to see like a 30-60sec difference?

Im curious about this as well because i plan to use fcp with it quite a bit. If its not a noticable difference then i dont care so much. Also the screen is way more superficial to me (unless it means dead pixels), i love my LG TV.

pinktank
Jul 22, 2011, 02:13 AM
To those who see this as a flaw, remember that apple and their respective factories work with what they have, if they had chosen to stick to one supplier, there would be a shortage of everything. In the end, this doesn't really effect %99 of the consumer base as they don't care/know any better and probably wouldn't know if you handed them two of the units to pick the faster one. By returning said units you contribute to price hikes.

weespeed
Jul 22, 2011, 02:41 AM
13" i5 4gb 256ssd

Display: LTH133BT01A03

SSD: SM256C

but thinking about returning it to get the i7, don't know if its with it to do so.

NicktheNorse
Jul 22, 2011, 05:02 AM
Is the screen any brighter on the 2011 13" MBA? I thought the 2010 screen was quite dim, especially compared to my 2010 13" MBP.

hyungsup
Jul 22, 2011, 05:38 AM
My opinion is that when the tsunami occurred in japan couple of months ago I heard it affected the Toshiba factories in Sendai.
I reckon Apple quickly made a deal with Samsung to sustain the supply of SSD modules so that it won't delay their new macbook air release date.

So Apple has a deal with Toshiba but since they can't supply enough SSD modules as requested they are using SSDs from Samsung.

Maybe apple thought that it would be better to keep it random rather than having the faster SSD on 13" and slower SSD on 11"
Maybe the main reason to not go with this method is that Toshiba may not be able to cope with the 11" demand.

Also 11" doesn't mean that it's a lesser product than 13" unlike imacs where the bigger the better.

teerexx52
Jul 22, 2011, 05:40 AM
Just checked my display through terminal and it spat out LTH116AT01A04 which I'm guessing is Samsung actually!

I have the same one. Is it Samsung for sure?

Rapp
Jul 22, 2011, 06:04 AM
I have the 13" i5 128Gb version, bought yesterday.

Model: APPLE SSD SM128C
Revision: AXM09A1Q
Screen : LP133WP1-TJA3

Updated onto Google form :)

KPOM
Jul 22, 2011, 06:07 AM
I have a couple of probably really naive questions:

How can this happen to a company of this size, that a flaw of this magnitude (two SSD's with vastly different I/O speeds, two displays with different viewing angles) could have sneaked in the final product without anybody noticing?

Were they not aware of it and counted on enough people not hearing or caring about it?

How often can one return a Macbook Air in search for the right SSD/display combo?

I think people need to keep things in perspective. It isn't as if the Toshiba SSD or the Phillips display are "flawed." They both are within the specifications that Apple advertises. I had the Toshiba SSD on my Rev D and it was fine. Outside a benchmark, I can't tell the difference. Similarly, my initial Rev D had the 9CDF display, but my replacement (after a warranty repair) had the "lesser" display. I didn't really notice much difference, if any. It isn't as if they are advertising a 128GB SSD and some of us are getting 120GB and others 200GB.

Apple uses multiple suppliers, which is smart. It keeps their costs under control, and enables them to react to factors, such as the tsunami, or their IP dispute with Samsung, without disrupting supplies. As long as the parts are within spec, I'm fine with what parts go into mine.

OSMac
Jul 22, 2011, 06:10 AM
Anyone feel the 13" LG display could have more contrast?

I've used a couple of the last gen airs and always remember the display looked great but this one leaves something to be desired, particularly at low backlight levels, anyone else?

GaresTaylan
Jul 22, 2011, 06:44 AM
To those who see this as a flaw, remember that apple and their respective factories work with what they have, if they had chosen to stick to one supplier, there would be a shortage of everything. In the end, this doesn't really effect %99 of the consumer base as they don't care/know any better and probably wouldn't know if you handed them two of the units to pick the faster one. By returning said units you contribute to price hikes.

This.

To add on - mine has the Toshiba SSD and my co-worker's has the Samsung.

I played on both for about an hour yesterday. There was no noticeable difference in installing applications, launching applications, starting the machine, transferring files, etc. I don't see what the fuss is about other than tests that say one is faster than the other? ;)

Philflow
Jul 22, 2011, 06:47 AM
I played on both for about an hour yesterday. There was no noticeable difference in installing applications, launching applications, starting the machine, transferring files, etc. I don't see what the fuss is about other than tests that say one is faster than the other? ;)

Totally true. I've had the 11" with Toshiba and 13" with Samsung.

I never noticed any difference until I ran some benchmarks.

tbobmccoy
Jul 22, 2011, 06:57 AM
This.

To add on - mine has the Toshiba SSD and my co-worker's has the Samsung.

I played on both for about an hour yesterday. There was no noticeable difference in installing applications, launching applications, starting the machine, transferring files, etc. I don't see what the fuss is about other than tests that say one is faster than the other? ;)

Alright, I've been convinced. I won't trade it in; I'll just be super wary of any AppleCare need to get the SSD replaced :D Given the rock solid nature of the beasts though, I doubt that'll happen.

poppyj91
Jul 22, 2011, 07:32 AM
I know I can get the hard drive info under the profile, but where do i find my display info?

justywusty
Jul 22, 2011, 07:33 AM
I know I can get the hard drive info under the profile, but where do i find my display info?

Under SATA.

justywusty
Jul 22, 2011, 07:38 AM
I've got a 13" base model with the SM128 SSD. I didn't check the display yet, but can't right now since I'm mobile...and by mobile I mean typing this while taking a shhhhhhhit. Lolz

poppyj91
Jul 22, 2011, 07:46 AM
Under SATA.

Isn't the hard drive under serial-ata in hardware info...where is the DISPLAY info?

thanks for your time :)

Davidkoh
Jul 22, 2011, 08:44 AM
Display: LP133WP1-TJA3, Guess that's LG?

SSD: TS128C , Guess that's Toshiba?

Don't care anyway :p.

Got base 13".

KPOM
Jul 22, 2011, 09:20 AM
Isn't the hard drive under serial-ata in hardware info...where is the DISPLAY info?

thanks for your time :)

See below


To identify your display
open terminal , paste
ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed "/[^<]*</s///" | xxd -p -r | strings -6

the first line is your display model

example: 13" ultimate - LTH133BT01A01


You can find Terminal in your Applications folder (or using the new LaunchPad). It opens up a tiny window with a Unix command prompt. Copy and paste the text above starting with "ioreg" and then press return.

The LTH displays are Samsung, I believe, while displays starting with LP are Philips.

FusionZero
Jul 22, 2011, 09:52 AM
Base 13" model

Hard Drive - SM128C

Display - LTH133BT01A03

Cynicalone
Jul 22, 2011, 09:56 AM
13" Core i7

Display - LTH133BT01A03

SSD - TS256C

shiny-blanket
Jul 22, 2011, 10:05 AM
13'' i7:

SM256C

LTH133BT01A03

ghsNick
Jul 22, 2011, 10:48 AM
See below



You can find Terminal in your Applications folder (or using the new LaunchPad). It opens up a tiny window with a Unix command prompt. Copy and paste the text above starting with "ioreg" and then press return.

The LTH displays are Samsung, I believe, while displays starting with LP are Philips.
So I'm going to go home and check mine after work.

I'm reading Samsung is better than Toshiba with SSD...So I'm looking for SM128 (I have 128GB) correct?

And which display is better? LP or LTH? LTH from what I'm reading is better, and is Samsung correct?

So I'm looking for SM128 and LTH....

ApplePu
Jul 22, 2011, 11:24 AM
In my experience, the parts are just built in randomly:

I bought a 13" Ultimate today. I checked the parts and got the Samsung SSD.
Then I found an ugly scratch beside the trackpad, so I went back to the Apple Store to get a replacement.

According the serial number and the fact that they've only got one delivery yet I come to the conclusion that the 2 were more or less made on the same day at the same place.

I've now got the Toshiba in the second Air.

EDIT: I just googled about a comparison between TS256C and SM256C. According to harddrivebenchmark.net (site of passmark software), they are about the same in performance. the toshiba is even a bit better rated. Does anybody know this site? is it accurate?

John.B
Jul 22, 2011, 11:28 AM
And which display is better? LP or LTH? LTH from what I'm reading is better, and is Samsung correct?
I'd like to see a side-by-side comparison of the two displays.

Typically the LG displays have rendered white better and, as a photographer, color rendition is very important to me. But who's to say that's true in this case? That said, I'd calibrate either display within minutes of setting mine up, and all critical work gets done at home on a big IPS monitor in a controlled environment anyway.

The only way to know for sure is to have someone get both versions and do a proper side-by-side evaluation...

Tootles
Jul 22, 2011, 11:41 AM
I resisted this for awhile but, when looking over browser tabs that I wanted to clear out, was reminded of this issue and just had to see what I had.
11" SM128C and LP116WH4-TJA3.

I had intended on buying the 11" with i7 but, lowly Apple stores such as the Original one (Tysons Corner) didn't have them (Where is the love, Apple?) and I didn't have time to wait for a BTO.

d3zapped
Jul 22, 2011, 11:59 AM
13" base configuration ordered morning of 7/20, received noon 7/21.

Hard Drive = SM128C

Display = LTH133BT01A03

ryanrhod
Jul 22, 2011, 01:32 PM
13" base configuration ordered morning of 7/20, received noon 7/21.

Hard Drive = SM128C

Display = LTH133BT01A03

this exactly for me as well

claytonroadie
Jul 22, 2011, 01:53 PM
13" base configuration ordered morning of 7/20, received noon 7/21.

Hard Drive = SM128C

Display = LTH133BT01A03

Same for me, except ordered 7/20, received 7/22.

runtohell121
Jul 22, 2011, 02:34 PM
MacBook Air 11 i5 4gb ram 128gb SSD

SSD - Apple SSD TS128C
Display - LP116WH4-TJA3

Worse combo right? lol bought it at my local Apple Store.

iMate
Jul 22, 2011, 02:40 PM
Hi there, long time viewer and first time poster from my first Mac!

just got an 11.6'' i5, 4GB, 128 SSD MacBook Air and I'm loving it!! Will take a while to get used to the OS X but I'll get there!

Here are my specs:

Hard drive: Model: APPLE SSD SM128C
Revision: AXM09A1Q

Display: LTH116AT01A04

Is it any good?

ghsNick
Jul 22, 2011, 03:15 PM
Double Post

ghsNick
Jul 22, 2011, 03:16 PM
11" i5 128GB

SSD - SM128C
DISPLAY - LP116WH4-TJA3

x

Is this any good?
I'm happy about the Samsung SSD...but is the Phillips Display bad compared to Samsung?

reclusive46
Jul 22, 2011, 03:35 PM
What do I have?

LTH116AT01A04
APPLE SSD SM128C

Apple Expert
Jul 22, 2011, 03:36 PM
What do I have?

LTH116AT01A04
APPLE SSD SM128C

Samsung on both.

ghsNick
Jul 22, 2011, 03:43 PM
I've only seen one 11" with both Samsung.

Other than that it's been Samsung SSD and LG Phillips Display.

Samsumac
Jul 22, 2011, 03:43 PM
13" i5


SSD SM128C

LTH133BT01A01

runtohell121
Jul 22, 2011, 03:46 PM
I don't see much MBA 11 with Toshiba + LG combo..

reclusive46
Jul 22, 2011, 03:51 PM
Samsung on both.

Ah :D Its an 11 inch. So thats 2 then :D

OSMac
Jul 22, 2011, 03:53 PM
WE need to find a indicator on the box as to what display is inside?

Maybe serial number range? Any ideas...

RobNor
Jul 22, 2011, 03:57 PM
13" i5

LP133WP1-TJA3
SM128C

robd54
Jul 22, 2011, 03:58 PM
my 11" i5/4GB/128 has toshiba SSD but samsung display

chazmink
Jul 22, 2011, 04:02 PM
In my 13" I5

SSD TS256C
Display LP133WP1-TJA3

pinktank
Jul 22, 2011, 04:09 PM
updated count, posting so that I can keep track who I stopped at

ravic
Jul 22, 2011, 04:44 PM
13" i5

LP133WP1-TJA3
SM128C

snverhallen
Jul 22, 2011, 05:23 PM
Is LTH133BT01A01 a Samsung?

nebulos
Jul 22, 2011, 05:32 PM
EDIT: so, ...

PANEL
Samsung = LTH....
LG = LP...

SSD
Samsung = SM...
Toshiba = TS...

?

if so, maybe we can include this in the first post?

thanks!

teerexx52
Jul 22, 2011, 05:40 PM
Display=LTH116AT01A04
SSD=APPLE SSD SM064C

Are these both Samsung?

chandeliho
Jul 22, 2011, 06:11 PM
13" i7

LP133WP1-TJA3
TS256C

Did I get a crappy one? Should I return it?

weespeed
Jul 22, 2011, 06:15 PM
Returned the i5 and got the i7
13" i7 4gb 256SSD

screen: LTH133BT01A03
SSD: SM256C

shaun132
Jul 22, 2011, 06:27 PM
13 inch base i5


LTH133BT01A03

TS128C

Abstract
Jul 22, 2011, 06:32 PM
I believe the SSD drives only has an effect on sequential read and write.


Sorry, but most MBA users won't be doing this for massive GB file transfers often anyway. For everyday tasks, or even moving 50 or 100 MB around, it's not going to make a significant difference (maybe a few seconds?).


Stop caring about the small stuff, and enjoy your new laptops. ;)

djkindred
Jul 22, 2011, 06:45 PM
11" i5 128 with

SM128C - Samsung SSD

&

LTH116AT01A04 - Samsung LCD

I think I got pretty lucky! :)

justywusty
Jul 22, 2011, 06:47 PM
LP133WP1-TJA3

i already posted that my hard drive was SM128.

-1 +1

wish both were the best, though... :(

i5 13"

Abstract
Jul 22, 2011, 06:50 PM
It appears that (almost) everybody who orders an 11" MBA with 128 GB SSD gets a Samsung model.

Having said that, it doesn't matter if you have a Samsung 128 GB SSD because normally, 256 GB SSD drives are faster than 128 GB SSD drives anyway. ;) If you want speed, you'd get a 256 GB model, even if it's not Samsung.

But please correct me if I'm wrong.

MilkMan4
Jul 22, 2011, 06:57 PM
SSD: SM128C
Display: the LP___ whatever LG Phillips one

after reading all this i am disappointed about the display, but i would like to see it side by side with a samsung to compare

alpinadvl
Jul 22, 2011, 07:01 PM
13" i7/ 4gb / 256gb

display:
LP133WP1-TJA3

ssd:
APPLE SSD SM256C

da3dl3us
Jul 22, 2011, 08:02 PM
Ultimate 13''

HD: TS256C

Screen : Samsung

Man, 1 for 2.

runtohell121
Jul 22, 2011, 08:05 PM
There's like more samsung then toshiba.. get whoever got toshiba is the unlucky batch? (me)

MattZani
Jul 22, 2011, 08:05 PM
13" 128Gb i5

Samsung Display
Toshiba SSD

coolbreeze
Jul 22, 2011, 08:09 PM
256 i5 13"

LG
Toshiba

...and I don't care.

You people are obsessive.

mac jones
Jul 22, 2011, 08:16 PM
I'm not convinced of anything. I think the whole thing is a wild goose chase.

All of a sudden the (insane) consensus is that Samsung is the winner and LG is a loser. I say BS.

Not only do I say BS, but why TF would I listen to nut cases? LOL
I' mean, i'm nuts for even posting here, so this place is like a lunatic asylum, really!

But, in the end, it's fun (but crazy), and expensive and stressful if you actually go so far as to act on this.

johnc22
Jul 22, 2011, 08:19 PM
Display: LP133WP1-TJA3
SSD: SM256C

Do I win anything? :p

justaphone
Jul 22, 2011, 09:03 PM
I just picked up the new 11" "Ultimate" i7
I have the LG Panel and the Samsung 256 SSD

Out of curiosity, I checked my 2010 11" "Ulitmate" (1.6 / 4/ 128) and it too had the LG Panel and the Samsung SSD.

Display doesn't bother me, as I was happy with my first MBA's display. It seems comparable to my Macbook Pro's Samsung Panel.

One point of difference between my 2010 and 2011:

2010
LP116WH4-TPA1
2011
LP116WH4-TJA3

Not sure if the last four mean anything specific?

Opening it to find no dead pixels was good enough for me (sadly two of my previous MacBooks arrived with them...) :apple:

Oppressed
Jul 22, 2011, 09:08 PM
What are the biggest differences between the LG/Phillips monitor and Samsung Monitor?

Also can someone tell me what this means when I typed in that command to show what monitor I have:

B116XW05 V0
Color LCD


Lastly I think I've figured out a way to help determine what SSD you would get if you bought it in store. CHECK THEIR FLOOR MODELS. It would more than likely be the same that is in their store room.

Case and point, I just bought an 1199 model and it had a Toshiba SSD, and ALL of their floor models have Toshiba SSDs.

mac.rumors
Jul 22, 2011, 09:15 PM
2011 MBP 13" i7:

Display: LP133WP1-TJA3
SSD: APPLE SSD TS256C

coolbreeze
Jul 22, 2011, 09:19 PM
If anyone thinks Apple would source two panels and two SSDs that are noticeably different (i.e. you can notice differences in real world use) is a complete fool.

The displays and SSDs have been tested to death prior to being released to the assembly line and are identical in performance.

Anything posted here that disagrees is nothing more than F! U! D!

There may be theoretical differences someone dug up from some benchmark, but again, if it was a noticeable difference on any level, Apple would have none of it.

I just hate that some of you read this thread, get obsessed, and exchange your Air simply based on these posts. This results in higher prices for everyone as these returns can never be re-sold as new.

This clamoring for the "utopia" Samsung/Samsung combo really is a mental disorder, folks...snap out of it...

radiohead14
Jul 22, 2011, 09:32 PM
I've only seen one 11" with both Samsung.

Other than that it's been Samsung SSD and LG Phillips Display.

11" 4GB 128SSD here:

SSD: SM128C
Panel: LTH116AT01A04

both Samsung? :D

Mandork
Jul 22, 2011, 09:38 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the screens were of the exact same specs made in the same plant in China or Korea, but just badged as either Samsung or LG by those companies

unagimiyagi
Jul 22, 2011, 09:45 PM
Can anyone confirm if these are the exact same panels that were used in the late 2010 macbook airs?

If so, then I have nothing to worry about. They looked fine to me in the stores.

macbook123
Jul 22, 2011, 09:53 PM
Bad luck! I'm the first person with an LG display on an i7 13.3"...

Have the Samsung SSD though.

Somebody said the Samsung display has better viewing angles than the LG one. Is there any evidence in the form of reviews for this?

Baycity
Jul 22, 2011, 10:00 PM
at the Apple store in SF. Display unit #1 is stock 13"
lcd
LTH133BT01A03

HD
APPLE SSD SM128C

Display unit #2 Stock 11"

lcd
LP116WH4-TJA3

HD
APPLE SSD SM128C

Display unit #3 Stock 13"

lcd
LP133WP1-TJA3

HD
APPLE SSD SM128C

Free geek bench 5435

so far I've only encountered one Toshiba drive and all geek bench has hovered around 5500 for the 13s and 4500 to 5000 for the 11s.

Oppressed
Jul 22, 2011, 10:17 PM
at the Apple store in SF. Display unit #1 is stock 13"
lcd
LTH133BT01A03

HD
APPLE SSD SM128C

Display unit #2 Stock 11"

lcd
LP116WH4-TJA3

HD
APPLE SSD SM128C

I would bet if you purchased a MBA there it would have a Samsung SSD.

SPEEDwithJJ
Jul 22, 2011, 10:43 PM
Also can someone tell me what this means when I typed in that command to show what monitor I have:

B116XW05 V0
Color LCD


Interesting. That is an AU Optronics display panel. Looks like there are 3 display panels in use for the 11" MBA as of now. :eek:

radiohead14
Jul 22, 2011, 10:58 PM
Interesting. That is an AU Optronics display panel. Looks like there are 3 display panels in use for the 11" MBA as of now. :eek:

i remember back when the first 13" unibody macbook pro's were introduced.. we had a very similar thread like this discussing AUO and i believe LG also. some def had inferior viewing angles (per screenshots taken by various members). iirc AUO had the better panel. i'll see if i can dig it up from my post history

ghsNick
Jul 22, 2011, 11:09 PM
I'm not trying to sound like a fanboy fa**ot...but I got a Samsung SDD and LG Display. Pumped about Samsung and don't know what to really think about the LG...Is there any proof of a difference between LG and Samsung panels? Because I'm starting to doubt there's any REAL proof and people are just posting this to post.

There's actual evidence of a difference (and not a big one) between the Samsung and Toshiba SDD...but not in displays (so far).

Baycity
Jul 22, 2011, 11:09 PM
I would bet if you purchased a MBA there it would have a Samsung SSD.

Thats what i was thinking and im very tempted considering my need for instant gratification but i think i can save at least 50$ not having to pay taxes and ordering it thru amazon. I just wish they offered the ultimate 13 on there.. Guess i will just get the stock 13.

Oppressed
Jul 22, 2011, 11:50 PM
Interesting. That is an AU Optronics display panel. Looks like there are 3 display panels in use for the 11" MBA as of now. :eek:

Because this issue wasn't complicated enough!

clyde2801
Jul 23, 2011, 06:53 AM
Bad luck! I'm the first person with an LG display on an i7 13.3"...

Have the Samsung SSD though.

Somebody said the Samsung display has better viewing angles than the LG one. Is there any evidence in the form of reviews for this?

Looks like I've got the same setup, and even using calibration, it's pretty washed out. Not very good contrast with dark colors.

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php

Just to make sure it wasn't me. Read instructions. You should be able to differentiate each of the different blocks.

clyde2801
Jul 23, 2011, 06:57 AM
i remember back when the first 13" unibody macbook pro's were introduced.. we had a very similar thread like this discussing AUO and i believe LG also. some def had inferior viewing angles (per screenshots taken by various members). iirc AUO had the better panel. i'll see if i can dig it up from my post history

Yes, there was a big difference between viewing angles and color contrast. Looks like the same for this.

harleymhs
Jul 23, 2011, 07:08 AM
Just picked up an 11" yesterday 4GM 128 and its a SM SSD and I also bought a few months ago an 11" Ultimate and that too has the SM SSD both are 128GB .. Guess I got lucky.. 2 guys at work have 11" one ultimate and one regular with 2gm ram and 128 SSD and they BOTH have TS ssd..

ApplePu
Jul 23, 2011, 07:24 AM
I have the TS SSD and the LG display in my ultimate. I don't really care about the display because I think the one I've got is very very nice.

I'd love to see some benchmark comparison between the TS256C and the SM256C. Can anyone provide a link?

Funny enough, on harddrivebenchmarks.net the Toshiba 256 is rated better than the Samsung, but at 128GB the Samsung is better than Toshiba....strange....

Kafka
Jul 23, 2011, 07:54 AM
MBA 13 i5:
TS256C
LP133WP1-TJA3

Bought in France.

clyde2801
Jul 23, 2011, 08:02 AM
I have the TS SSD and the LG display in my ultimate. I don't really care about the display because I think the one I've got is very very nice.

I'd love to see some benchmark comparison between the TS256C and the SM256C. Can anyone provide a link?

Funny enough, on harddrivebenchmarks.net the Toshiba 256 is rated better than the Samsung, but at 128GB the Samsung is better than Toshiba....strange....

Respectfully, I couldn't disagree with you more. I probably wouldn't notice the difference between the ssd models in my real world performance, but I tend to look at the screen every day. Think I'm gonna mosey over to the store and look at the 13" display models. If they're all washed out...I don't know.

mac jones
Jul 23, 2011, 08:08 AM
Respectfully, I couldn't disagree with you more. I probably wouldn't notice the difference between the ssd models in my real world performance, but I tend to look at the screen every day. Think I'm gonna mosey over to the store and look at the 13" display models. If they're all washed out...I don't know.

All of these displays are good enough. If there was severe issues with viewing angles, contrast, color, or brightness than it would always bug you, but in my opinion, all of these will be adequate; and that's really all you should be concerned about with USING A TOOL. It's a tool not a girlfriend (and thank GOD it's not a girlfriend .....for her sake :D )

But the main issue with this is what you can do about it? What are you going to do?

Go 5 times to a store and stare at them? Agonize over it for days?
Make the store clerks open 10 boxes until you get the 'perfect' one?

None of these are reasonable options

The only reasonable options are: buy one or don't. Post here all you want, but don't get obsessed.

(I love being patronizing :D )

OSMac
Jul 23, 2011, 08:10 AM
Here's some display tests ...

Scales, Grey, RGB
http://www.pbase.com/jackcnd/image/75285375/original

Scroll right and left to see the entire image.
Look for the ability to see all the shades at least from 16-248.
Often shades in certain colors will will clip at the high end,
start looking the same, or crush at the low end.


Gamma 2.2
(* must be viewed at 100%, click original under the image as needed)
http://www.pbase.com/jackcnd/image/94930126/original

Tilt the display back and forth watch for how quickly the shades change.
Ideally you want the inner rectangles to blend in with the surrounding grey background
and it should be consistant as you tilt the display or move your head around.

Grimoire
Jul 23, 2011, 09:01 AM
13"/i5/128GB. Toshiba SSD, LG panel. Oh well.

It is kind of annoying if some people are getting better parts but it's still a nice machine.

bp1000
Jul 23, 2011, 09:11 AM
13"/i5/128GB. Toshiba SSD, LG panel. Oh well.

It is kind of annoying if some people are getting better parts but it's still a nice machine.

The thing is nobody has proved that 1 is better than the other.

People have claimed the samsung benches faster but i haven't seen any results myself yet. The concept was started by a few people here but i haven't seen any evidence yet.

I really truly don't think there is going to be much different between the SSD's or the panels, minor differences maybe, not major ones.

Pipper99
Jul 23, 2011, 09:18 AM
EDIT: so, ...

PANEL
Samsung = LTH....
LG = LP...

SSD
Samsung = SM...
Toshiba = TS...

?

if so, maybe we can include this in the first post?

thanks!

Wondering the same thing about the display. I think you're right, though.

petvas
Jul 23, 2011, 09:18 AM
This is what System profiler says:
APPLE SSD TS128C:

Capacity: 121,33 GB (121.332.826.112 Byte)
Modell: APPLE SSD TS128C
Version: CJAA0201

Grimoire
Jul 23, 2011, 09:18 AM
The thing is nobody has proved that 1 is better than the other.

Hence "if" :P. I don't really care, honestly. I highly doubt I would notice any difference. I am certainly far too lazy to return a computer to try my hand at a parts lottery :P

Project
Jul 23, 2011, 09:21 AM
11" i7, 256GB - SM256C / LP116WH4-TJA3

ApplePu
Jul 23, 2011, 09:43 AM
For the SSD discussion:

The easiest way to prove that Samsungs are better than Toshibas is
to post some benchmarks. So instead of just posting what you've got run the
harddrive test in XBench 1.3 and post your results.

I'll give it a go with my toshiba in a few hours when i'll get more time.

Kehletten
Jul 23, 2011, 09:52 AM
For the SSD discussion:

The easiest way to prove that Samsungs are better than Toshibas is
to post some benchmarks. So instead of just posting what you've got run the
harddrive test in XBench 1.3 and post your results.

I'll give it a go with my toshiba in a few hours when i'll get more time.

Well, it has already been proven many times, so it's a fact, the Samsung SSD is faster.:)

bp1000
Jul 23, 2011, 09:59 AM
I ran bench on my tosh ssd

Write: 228.90MB/Sec [4K blocks]
Read: 201.66MB/Sec [256K blocks]


Thought read was mean't to be faster than write but seems fairly quick

Philflow
Jul 23, 2011, 10:01 AM
People have claimed the samsung benches faster but i haven't seen any results myself yet. The concept was started by a few people here but i haven't seen any evidence yet.

I really truly don't think there is going to be much different between the SSD's or the panels, minor differences maybe, not major ones.

I have no idea which panel is better and I don't think there is any hard proof for it.

About the SSDs: the Samsung is clearly the faster one. Anandtech shows it very clearly. Benchmarks on Storagereview and Laptopmag indicate the same.

But I do agree that it may be hard to perceive the performance difference in real life (without using benchmark software).

norsemen
Jul 23, 2011, 10:04 AM
Do the SSDs used in the 13" MBA perform better than the ones used in the 11"?

ApplePu
Jul 23, 2011, 10:21 AM
Well, it has already been proven many times, so it's a fact, the Samsung SSD is faster.:)

well i've not seen any proof black on white. especially not for the 256gb models. it could be a whole different story. and why trust some reviewers when we can test it on our own in the machines we care about? so instead of just speculating and complaining we can proof where the differences are and then everyone can decide for his own good if he wants to swap out his air until he gets the desired parts.

eba
Jul 23, 2011, 10:35 AM
13" i7

SSD: SM256C

LCD: LTH133BT01A03

AndrewS
Jul 23, 2011, 10:37 AM
13" i5
LTH133BT01A03
TS128C

bp1000
Jul 23, 2011, 10:39 AM
So can we start posting benches with xbench, i posted my results above from my toshiba ssd.

Will be more interesting to compare real performance.

duffyanneal
Jul 23, 2011, 11:30 AM
13" i5
LTH133BT01A03
SM256C

runtohell121
Jul 23, 2011, 11:33 AM
Here's the Xbench for the Toshiba 128gb SSD

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6444/ts128c.png

n8sco
Jul 23, 2011, 12:06 PM
I'm not sure how to get the display info but I have the base 13 and the ssd is the SM128C.

clyde2801
Jul 23, 2011, 12:08 PM
13" i7
LTH133BT01A03
APPLE SSD TS256C

maybe toshiba will give apple a firmware update or something.

John.B
Jul 23, 2011, 12:21 PM
I'm not sure how to get the display info but I have the base 13 and the ssd is the SM128C.
See the first post (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=12992114&postcount=1) back at the top of this thread, about four fifths of the way down.

ghsNick
Jul 23, 2011, 12:40 PM
Can anyone PROVE display differences?

iViking
Jul 23, 2011, 12:57 PM
11" 128SSD i5 1.6ghz

Samsung SSD
Samsung Display Panel

iViking
Jul 23, 2011, 01:02 PM
OMG!

I just discovered I have a panel manufactured by Mars, Inc., in a factory that processes nuts, (Snickers). Should I be concerned?!

My Panel Serial # is:

MMMM229282YUMMY201CHCLAT22

John.B
Jul 23, 2011, 01:15 PM
OMG!

I just discovered I have a panel manufactured by Mars, Inc., in a factory that processes nuts, (Snickers). Should I be concerned?!

My Panel Serial # is:

MMMM229282YUMMY201CHCLAT22
Only if you have a peanut allergy. ;)

Apple II
Jul 23, 2011, 01:15 PM
13" i5/256

LTH133BT01A03
SM256C

I have hit the lottery, yes?

coolbreeze
Jul 23, 2011, 01:17 PM
13" i7/256

LTH133BT01A03
SM256C

I have hit the lottery, yes?

If you have to ask the internet, then you've proved this is ridiculous. It should be very obvious if your components are 'superior.'

There are no differences in components. Period.

marrzie
Jul 23, 2011, 01:19 PM
I ran bench on my tosh ssd

Write: 228.90MB/Sec [4K blocks]
Read: 201.66MB/Sec [256K blocks]


Thought read was mean't to be faster than write but seems fairly quick

U have the 64gb right? I am wondering if the 64gb vs 128gb vs 256gb are all the same speed when tested.?

runtohell121
Jul 23, 2011, 01:32 PM
People should run xbench on their ssd (Hard drive test) only.

ApplePu
Jul 23, 2011, 01:33 PM
U have the 64gb right? I am wondering if the 64gb vs 128gb vs 256gb are all the same speed when tested.?

check on harddrivebenchmark.net

that's the site of the passmark software which is fed by the results the users are measuring. look for "apple ssd" and then sm...c or ts...c

by the way it would be great if someone with the sm256c could post the
xbench results to compare to the toshiba results few posts up

Xaron
Jul 23, 2011, 01:47 PM
Ok, just got my brand new 13" i7. I LOVE IT!

Display: LP133WP1-TJA3
SSD: APPLE SSD SM256C

bp1000
Jul 23, 2011, 01:48 PM
U have the 64gb right? I am wondering if the 64gb vs 128gb vs 256gb are all the same speed when tested.?

I have the 128gb in the 13" i5

euklides
Jul 23, 2011, 01:50 PM
Perhaps somebody would be willing to put together the Model, SSD, Screen and SERIAL NUMBER in a spreadsheet? Then if you sort the list by Serial # we'll be able to see if the difference in hardware corresponds to different production batches.

We might be able to figure out what screen and SSD the computer will come equipped by just by looking at the serial number on the box.

John.B
Jul 23, 2011, 02:03 PM
If you have to ask the internet, then you've proved this is ridiculous. It should be very obvious if your components are 'superior.'

There are no differences in components. Period.
Why, because someone on teh interwebz says so?

People should run a common set of disk benchmarks to determine whether or not there are actual differences and how much they vary.

chandeliho
Jul 23, 2011, 02:39 PM
xbench on a toshiba 256gb

Azathoth
Jul 23, 2011, 02:39 PM
Here's the Xbench for the Toshiba 128gb SSD

Image (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6444/ts128c.png)

Let me just interject into this thread:
The SSD speed is completely moot IMO - like anyone will ever notice a 20% or even 40% benchmark difference IRL

BTW run those benchmarks a couple of times and look how huge the variability is (it is on my 160GB Intel X25 G2). Now, the actual thing to discuss is the display.

Anyone have a calibration setup to be able to talk about the brightness, eveness and gamut or are we just gonna have 3rd rate accounts of people that went to an Apple store?

I know there are some reviews on the MBA13 2010 (Anandtech, notebookreview) that have some real measurements, but it's not clear which screens they got in theirs.

bp1000
Jul 23, 2011, 03:08 PM
Let me just interject into this thread:
The SSD speed is completely moot IMO - like anyone will ever notice a 20% or even 40% benchmark difference IRL

BTW run those benchmarks a couple of times and look how huge the variability is (it is on my 160GB Intel X25 G2). Now, the actual thing to discuss is the display.

Anyone have a calibration setup to be able to talk about the brightness, eveness and gamut or are we just gonna have 3rd rate accounts of people that went to an Apple store?

I know there are some reviews on the MBA13 2010 (Anandtech, notebookreview) that have some real measurements, but it's not clear which screens they got in theirs.

I'm quite pleased with the speed of my toshiba ssd, posted earlier in the thread, around 230MB write, 201MB read.

With regards to the display i have clipping on the red and green channels which in digital photography are the easiest colour channels to clip. The LG clearly over saturates and thus has problems with the highlight colour channels.

However, after calibration i'm pleased with the improvements. Photos look superb, lovely contrast, sharpness and colour replication, better than many monitors i have used. So in the real world, i really don't see the problem.

Again we are just benchmarking without any consideration of real world use and guessing and assuming.

euklides
Jul 23, 2011, 03:19 PM
How about two people with the two different monitors but the same calibration device run calibrations according to the same white balance settings (etc) and then we compare the .icc files in ColourThink? We'll be able to see if the actual colour gamuts and contrast ratios are different.

But of course this wouldn't answer questions regarding viewing angles.

Azathoth
Jul 23, 2011, 03:21 PM
With regards to the display i have clipping on the red and green channels which in digital photography are the easiest colour channels to clip. The LG clearly over saturates and thus has problems with the highlight colour channels.

However, after calibration i'm pleased with the improvements. Photos look superb, lovely contrast, sharpness and colour replication, better than many monitors i have used. So in the real world, i really don't see the problem.

Again we are just benchmarking without any consideration of real world use and guessing and assuming.

have a LG matte panel (9CBB) in my 2010 MBP15 - the viewing angel and brightness seem less than the reviews (with samsung panels) rave about. In practice it's a fairly good screen, and with calibration I can use it in conjunction with my NEC 2690WUXi (a pro-level screen). Of course it would be nice if the MBA13 was an improvement, but in the worst case I guess I could live with the LG panel (if indeed it is any worse... - this has still not be confirmed)

ApplePu
Jul 23, 2011, 03:45 PM
so finally here are the benchmarks for my TS256C....

Would love to see some figures of the SM256C and how it performs in comparison to the tosh.....anyone? I don't think that I would notice a difference in real world usage, but I'm just curious :D

Pipper99
Jul 23, 2011, 03:50 PM
If you have to ask the internet, then you've proved this is ridiculous. It should be very obvious if your components are 'superior.'

There are no differences in components. Period.

I guess that settles it. :D

andmm
Jul 23, 2011, 04:00 PM
This guy has problems with the samsung LTH133BT01A01 display!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1191123&highlight=

rabid snake
Jul 23, 2011, 04:13 PM
Ended up switching my 11" MBA for a 13" MBA..

Got Samsung SSD but a LG Monitor. Oh well, I don't notice the difference anyways.

Here's the 128GB Samsung bench mark, i had 10+ apps open though since I was installing stuff while doing this benchmark. I'm impressed. :)

bobbba
Jul 23, 2011, 04:19 PM
Picked up today:

13" i7

LTH133BT01A03
SM256C

ghsNick
Jul 23, 2011, 04:25 PM
Ended up switching my 11" MBA for a 13" MBA..

Got Samsung SSD but a LG Monitor. Oh well, I don't notice the difference anyways.

Here's the 128GB Samsung bench mark, i had 10+ apps open though since I was installing stuff while doing this benchmark. I'm impressed. :)

What SSD/Display did you have before?

reclusive46
Jul 23, 2011, 04:26 PM
After seeing those Benchmarks the Samsung isn't dramatically better

rabid snake
Jul 23, 2011, 04:34 PM
What SSD/Display did you have before?

Samsung both. The 11" screen was small enough where I don't see the difference. I had them side by side when I was using Time Machine to restore in the Apple Store.

rabid snake
Jul 23, 2011, 04:35 PM
After seeing those Benchmarks the Samsung isn't dramatically better

Keep in mind, the one's posted of Toshiba was 256GB and mine was only 128GB. There could be a difference because the more space you have on SSDs, the faster they usually are (at least sand force controllers acted like that)

ApplePu
Jul 23, 2011, 04:47 PM
Keep in mind, the one's posted of Toshiba was 256GB and mine was only 128GB. There could be a difference because the more space you have on SSDs, the faster they usually are (at least sand force controllers acted like that)

additionally, my tosh wasn't busy with other tasks during benchmarking...
would really like to see a benchmark of the 256gb model, lazy folks :D

rabid snake
Jul 23, 2011, 04:52 PM
additionally, my tosh wasn't busy with other tasks during benchmarking...
would really like to see a benchmark of the 256gb model, lazy folks :D

Honestly though, the difference is like maybe a half a second MAX. Real world vs Bench Mark I would not be worried. My Windows Development PC has a Intel 510 SSD and I only noticed a small speed boost when upgrading from an Intel X-25M. And the bench marks had the 510 winning by a lot more.

ApplePu
Jul 23, 2011, 05:00 PM
Honestly though, the difference is like maybe a half a second MAX. Real world vs Bench Mark I would not be worried. My Windows Development PC has a Intel 510 SSD and I only noticed a small speed boost when upgrading from an Intel X-25M. And the bench marks had the 510 winning by a lot more.

yeah I know that, I had a crucial ssd in my mbp before and I notice no difference at all now working on the mba. nevertheless I'd like to know the measured differences between the two....I'm not going to swap anywaybecause I love my new air even with its LG display and Tosh SSD :o it is just awesome!

marrzie
Jul 23, 2011, 05:07 PM
additionally, my tosh wasn't busy with other tasks during benchmarking...
would really like to see a benchmark of the 256gb model, lazy folks :D

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1195768 post 10 has samsung 256gb bench.

Gemütlichkeit
Jul 23, 2011, 05:20 PM
Anyone know what the max refresh rate on the monitor is? I'm assuming 60hz

bp1000
Jul 23, 2011, 06:09 PM
Keep in mind, the one's posted of Toshiba was 256GB and mine was only 128GB. There could be a difference because the more space you have on SSDs, the faster they usually are (at least sand force controllers acted like that)

I posted my toshiba 128gb results a page or 2 back

Was 228MB write, 201MB read.

I didn't bother with the random ones but it was similar to yours around 30MB and 180MB

ckeck
Jul 23, 2011, 10:44 PM
Purchased today: 13" i7 256GB SSD

SSD: Apple SSD SM256C
Display: LTH133BT01A03

Can someone confirm the parts when you have a moment - thanks!

Baycity
Jul 23, 2011, 11:28 PM
Purchased today: 13" i7 256GB SSD

SSD: Apple SSD SM256C
Display: LTH133BT01A03

Can someone confirm the parts when you have a moment - thanks!

Im fairly certain those are both samsung, congrats.
I also JUST literally walked in the door from purchasing my mba 13 base model from the San francisco stockton store. I even got a student discount and didn't have to give proof. Anyway my specs are.
lcd
LP133WP1-TJA3

lg right? I don't care, it looks great to me.

Storage
APPLE SSD SM128C

samsung right? cool.. either way i wouldn't have returned it. I also cancelled my amazon order I just couldn't wait, i wanted to play with it on my night off and I'm using it now!

tbobmccoy
Jul 23, 2011, 11:56 PM
Im fairly certain those are both samsung, congrats.
I also JUST literally walked in the door from purchasing my mba 13 base model from the San francisco stockton store. I even got a student discount and didn't have to give proof. Anyway my specs are.
lcd
LP133WP1-TJA3

lg right? I don't care, it looks great to me.

Storage
APPLE SSD SM128C

samsung right? cool.. either way i wouldn't have returned it. I also cancelled my amazon order I just couldn't wait, i wanted to play with it on my night off and I'm using it now!

I've done some side by side tests between my Toshiba and a friend's Samsung SSD... we noticed no functional difference, except in data transfers, even that, it's got to be a BIG file to make a difference, and interfacing over something other than USB. Not worth my time or effort to trade it back after doing the test, honestly.

mozy18
Jul 24, 2011, 12:08 AM
Here is the xbench result for my 13" MBA i5

295646

nood1es
Jul 24, 2011, 01:47 AM
picked up today. 11" ultimate

ssd - SM256C
display -LTH116AT01A04

VMMan
Jul 24, 2011, 02:31 AM
Oh... why... did... I... click... on... this... thread... ?...

subie0455
Jul 24, 2011, 04:09 AM
11"/4gb/128gb


sm128c

lth116at01a04

:)

jeffg819
Jul 24, 2011, 05:42 AM
Oh... why... did... I... click... on... this... thread... ?...

LOL...Ignorance can be a very happy place at times with little downside, at least on certain topics...

astrofaes
Jul 24, 2011, 05:51 AM
Oh... why... did... I... click... on... this... thread... ?...

Mine is currently in transit- even when it arrives, if it has a Toshiba SSD/LG panel, I'm still keeping it as it really isn't worth returning and going through the whole lottery again.

Geetarpicker
Jul 24, 2011, 06:07 AM
After much debate between the 11" & 13" I eventually set on the 13" after three trips to the Apple store. However I changed my mind the day I ending up buying one and picked up an 11" ultimate instead. It truly is awesome in the portability department. After a bit of time though as much as I loved the small footprint, my eyes didn't do so well with the screen. Just a bit too hard for me to get used to such a short smalll area, I guess I should have gone with my initial gut feel about it. That said, my 11" i7 had a Toshiba SSD and screen so bad luck topped it all off.

Took it back and swapped for a 13" ultimate. Glad I did as it's just easier for me to deal with screen for the work I plan to do. This time I ended up with a Samsung screen, but yet another Toshiba SSD. To me the colors seem to pop better on this screen, though for me the size difference was my true motivation.

It also appears to run a bit cooler than my 11" which makes sense being there is just more room for cooling and more metal to dissipate the heat. However I haven't noticed much fan activity on either, but the 11" was just a little bit warmer after about the same amount of use though I'll admit I didn't have them side by side to truly compare.

Guess my luck hasn't been that good in this lottery, but I'm calling it done there!

haruhiko
Jul 24, 2011, 06:21 AM
APPLE SSD SM256C

does it mean that it's from Samsung? :D

haruhiko
Jul 24, 2011, 06:27 AM
After much debate between the 11" & 13" I eventually set on the 13" after three trips to the Apple store. However I changed my mind the day I ending up buying one and picked up an 11" ultimate instead. It truly is awesome in the portability department. After a bit of time though as much as I loved the small footprint, my eyes didn't do so well with the screen. Just a bit too hard for me to get used to such a short smalll area, I guess I should have gone with my initial gut feel about it. That said, my 11" i7 had a Toshiba SSD and screen so bad luck topped it all off.

Took it back and swapped for a 13" ultimate. Glad I did as it's just easier for me to deal with screen for the work I plan to do. This time I ended up with a Samsung screen, but yet another Toshiba SSD. To me the colors seem to pop better on this screen, though for me the size difference was my true motivation.

It also appears to run a bit cooler than my 11" which makes sense being there is just more room for cooling and more metal to dissipate the heat. However I haven't noticed much fan activity on either, but the 11" was just a little bit warmer after about the same amount of use though I'll admit I didn't have them side by side to truly compare.

Guess my luck hasn't been that good in this lottery, but I'm calling it done there!

How can I know which display panel is my MBA using?

pinktank
Jul 24, 2011, 06:45 AM
How can I know which display panel is my MBA using?

see the first post

aeror
Jul 24, 2011, 08:27 AM
MBA 11" i5 128gb ssd

SSD: TS128m
Screen: LP116WH4-TJA3

Looks like the worst of both huh?

stevenpa
Jul 24, 2011, 04:12 PM
From my Apple store

5 13' 128SSD

Displays: 2 Samsung, 3 Toshiba
SSD: 1 Samsung, 4 Toshiba

4 11' 128SSD

Displays: 2 Samsung, 2 Toshiba
SSD: 2 Samsung, 2 Toshiba

:eek:I ordered online, so I'm hoping I'll get the Samsung SSD at least.

Nugget
Jul 24, 2011, 05:10 PM
11" i7 "Ultimate" purchased from Houston Galleria Apple Store this morning.

SSD: SM256C
Display: LP116WH4-TJA3


Why would you NOT want to get the best components for your shiny new MBA?

Doesn't matter to me at all. I needed a small laptop that's convenient to travel with. The marginal difference in performance is irrelevant for my needs. Safari, Terminal, and iTunes performance will be the same.

barryf43
Jul 24, 2011, 05:35 PM
Bought at my Apple Store on Thursday:

13"/i7/256GB

SM256C

LTH133BT01A03

rds
Jul 24, 2011, 05:40 PM
Isn't this marvellous.. it appears everyone received a display and a storage device with their new system!

capreolis
Jul 24, 2011, 06:16 PM
I've got my new MBA 13" 256GB on Friday with the

TS256C Toshiba SSD and
LP133WP1-TJA3 LG Display

and I'm a bit disappointed until now :(

I don't care about the fastest SSD. The TS256C its fast enough for me. But what really disturbs me is the amazingly bad display panel.

The contrast seems to be as bad as on a 600€ Acer notebook I've got for the last week from the Intel TestIT 2011 program. Colors look washed out. While typing this message the white background has a light blue tint and the light gray areas get yellow. Plus, the viewing angles are worse than on the cheaper Acer notebook. I'm totally frustrated right now :mad:

Last year I switched from a 15" MBP to the 27" iMac and learned to love the great 27" iMac IPS panel with it's rich colors and great contrast. I haven't expected the MBA to be as good, but at least as good as my old MBP. It's disturbing looking at the screen and adjusting it's position all the time. No matter what I do, there's always one part of the display where the colors are washed out and gray tones get yellow and white gets a slightly blue shade.

Plus, as mentioned in another thread here on macrumors.com, there's a dark shadow on the bottom of the panel when viewing a bright website like this one in fullscreen - and a "white" shadow (clouding) when viewing a completely black picture fullscreen.

Damn, I've just bought a 1499€ MBA and got a display which is as bad as the ones you can find in all cheap Windows notebooks (excepting a few which are even worse, of course).

bigp9998
Jul 24, 2011, 06:20 PM
11" i7 "Ultimate" purchased from Houston Galleria Apple Store this morning.

SSD: SM256C
Display: LP116WH4-TJA3




Doesn't matter to me at all. I needed a small laptop that's convenient to travel with. The marginal difference in performance is irrelevant for my needs. Safari, Terminal, and iTunes performance will be the same.

Your second statement seems at odds with your decision to spend the extra $$ on the i7 processor. Your call obviously, just seems like overkill.

stevenpa
Jul 24, 2011, 06:29 PM
I've got my new MBA 13" 256GB on Friday with the

TS256C Toshiba SSD and
LP133WP1-TJA3 LG Display

and I'm a bit disappointed until now :(


Unfortunate, any way you can return? Maybe as a defective item?

capreolis
Jul 24, 2011, 07:16 PM
Unfortunate, any way you can return? Maybe as a defective item?

I've bought it directly from the Apple On Campus Store online, so it's possible to send it back. But it's no use to send mine back and buy a new one if every MBA with this LG panel is that bad and it's like playing roulette to get either a LG or a Samsung panel. In addition, no one in this or any other forum was able to show any comparison pictures of both a LG panel MBA and a Samsung panel MBA side by side.

I will go to an Apple Premium Reseller tomorrow and ask if I could check the displays of their new MBAs. Perhaps they've got some new ones with a Samsung panel so I can decide if this ominous Samsung panel is much better or not.

Can anyone please post pictures of a 13" LG and Samsung panel MBA side by side?

For the rest, I love my new MBA. But this panel is a no-go. Of course, a MBP would also be right for me, but currently I don't want to buy one, because of several reasons including

the low-resolution display in the 13" MBPs (the performance would be sufficient, but there's no BTO option for a higher resolution display; then I would buy it instantly provided that the panel is better then the one on my MBA)
the poor price-performance ratio of the 15" MBPs (a better equipped but 1cm thicker Dell XPS 15 with an even better 1080p FHD B+RGLED screen is over 600€ cheaper than the standard 15" MBP; I'm willing to pay more for Mac OS X and the design of Apple products, but 600€=70% more than current Windows pendants is overmuch) besides the fact that I would wait for the Ivy Bridge MBPs pro better battery life alongside up to 40% more CPU and GPU (Intel HD Graphics) performance and hopefully lower SSD prices until then.
the fact that the standard 15" MBP with high-resolution display (in order to achieve the same pixel density than my current MBA 13") and 256GB SSD costs 835€ more than the 13" MBA with equal 256GB SSD. That's beyond my budget.

stevenpa
Jul 24, 2011, 07:33 PM
I've bought it directly from the Apple On Campus Store online, so it's possible to send it back. But it's no use to send mine back and buy a new one if every MBA with this LG panel is that bad and it's like playing roulette to get either a LG or a Samsung panel. In addition, no one in this or any other forum was able to show any comparison pictures of both a LG panel MBA and a Samsung panel MBA side by side.

I will go to an Apple Premium Reseller tomorrow and ask if I could check the displays of their new MBAs. Perhaps they've got some new ones with a Samsung panel so I can decide if this ominous Samsung panel is much better or not.

Can anyone please post pictures of a 13" LG and Samsung panel MBA side by side?

For the rest, I love my new MBA. But this panel is a no-go. Of course, a MBP would also be right for me, but currently I don't want to buy one, because of several reasons including

the low-resolution display in the 13" MBPs (the performance would be sufficient, but there's no BTO option for a higher resolution display; then I would buy it instantly provided that the panel is better then the one on my MBA)
the poor price-performance ratio of the 15" MBPs (a better equipped but 1cm thicker Dell XPS 15 with an even better 1080p FHD B+RGLED screen is over 600€ cheaper than the standard 15" MBP; I'm willing to pay more for Mac OS X and the design of Apple products, but 600€=70% more than current Windows pendants is overmuch) besides the fact that I would wait for the Ivy Bridge MBPs pro better battery life alongside up to 40% more CPU and GPU (Intel HD Graphics) performance and hopefully lower SSD prices until then.
the fact that the standard 15" MBP with high-resolution display (in order to achieve the same pixel density than my current MBA 13") and 256GB SSD costs 835€ more than the 13" MBA with equal 256GB SSD. That's beyond my budget.


I compared two in store under bright light, the LG seemed a bit washed out compared to the Samsung, but the whites were a bit clearer it seemed. Not amazing screens by any chance but unless you are getting IPS, it's tough these days. If you NEED a nice screen and need it to be portable your only options are the Vaio Z or Lenovo X220 (I think that's the model) with an IPS screen.

capreolis
Jul 24, 2011, 08:11 PM
I compared two in store under bright light, the LG seemed a bit washed out compared to the Samsung, but the whites were a bit clearer it seemed. Not amazing screens by any chance but unless you are getting IPS, it's tough these days. If you NEED a nice screen and need it to be portable your only options are the Vaio Z or Lenovo X220 (I think that's the model) with an IPS screen.

Thanks for your answer. I have to admit that I don't have to rely on 100% color fastness; I'm just a person who wants to get a usable screen. If gray turns yellow by looking more than 45° sidewise on the screen I don't complain anything at all. But if that begins to be seen just by sitting exactly in front of the screen and moving the panel a few degrees up and down, then it's crap.

The TN panel of my 2008 15" MBP was great in my opinion - of course not as good as the IPS panel of my 27" iMac I sold in favor of this new MBA, but good enough for me ;)

Does the Samsung panel achieve the quality of today's MBP panels?