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Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 01:21 PM
http://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consumer/computer-peripherals/notebook/thin-light/NP900X3A-A02HK/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail&returnurl=&pid=hk_en_notebooktype_keyvisual1_series9_20110415


Specs look impressive and obviously going for Apple's MacBook Air. Anyone know anything about Duralumin?



ZipZap
Jul 22, 2011, 01:36 PM
I think there is already a thread debunking these claims.

Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 01:41 PM
Hahaha, yeah though Samsung has made an impressive laptop here that does rival the MBA, though ofcourse the new Airs crush it I'm sure.


Still, I think its at least great to see a near Apple quality laptop MBA alternative, if anything for competitions sake, form another manufacturer.

Lord Appleseed
Jul 22, 2011, 01:44 PM
I checked it out some time ago in a local electronics store and compared it to the MBA. While it looks awesome on the first look, the MBA is of higher quality in detail.

nanotlj
Jul 22, 2011, 01:48 PM
All these korean companies have no shame and originality!
When apple comes out a cool product, now samsung is the first one to copy, at least cosmetically, in size and building materials, jumping like a monkey and thinking they are the first one and suddenly change the world.
In an academic world, when you are doing research or writing papers, you give credit to those pioneers by citing their work. In a business world, people just copy without shame!
For god's sake, they did not call it a samsung air.

Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 01:51 PM
All these korean companies have no shame and originality!
When apple comes out a cool product, now samsung is the first one to copy, at least cosmetically, jumping like a monkey and thinking they are the first one and suddenly change the world.
In an academic world, when you are doing research or writing papers, you give credit to those pioneers by citing their work. In a business world, people just copy without shame!

Imitation is the best form of flattery, and Samsung has made a quality, competitive product, that's how it works, nothing to do with shame here, at least with PC's.

The MBA did start the "genre" AFAIK, that's like saying Apple should be shamed for adopting the 2 button mouse.

KPOM
Jul 22, 2011, 01:53 PM
In terms of specs, the Samsung Series 9 trumps the 2010 MacBook Air, but the 2011 MacBook Air trumps the Samsung. The Series 9 has an older Core i3 with a less powerful version of the Intel HD Graphics. The Samsung is thinner at its thickest point, but overall the Air is thinner. That said, it is a very nice ultraportable, and one of the best on the Windows side.

altecXP
Jul 22, 2011, 01:54 PM
Imitation is the best form of flattery, and Samsung has made a quality, competitive product, that's how it works, nothing to do with shame here, at least with PC's.

The MBA did start the "genre" AFAIK, that's like saying Apple should be shamed for adopting the 2 button mouse.

The Sony x505 was out long before the Air.

striker33
Jul 22, 2011, 01:55 PM
The 11" Samsungs only offer Core i3s, therefore this comparison is void.

Plus, it runs Windows. After using Lion I will never be able to use a Windows machine productively again. Unless it offers inverted scrollling :D

nanotlj
Jul 22, 2011, 01:55 PM
"Imitation is the best form of flattery"?
Only people without shame think alike!!!

Imitation is the best form of flattery, and Samsung has made a quality, competitive product, that's how it works, nothing to do with shame here, at least with PC's.

The MBA did start the "genre" AFAIK, that's like saying Apple should be shamed for adopting the 2 button mouse.

unagimiyagi
Jul 22, 2011, 01:57 PM
I've seen the Samsung and it would be a nice laptop if the macbook air wasn't available.
It is not flimsy, but it's not as solid as the macbook air. It's also a bit chunkier it seems. Not a bad laptop by any means, but given the price point, the macbook air is a better buy.

striker33
Jul 22, 2011, 01:57 PM
Imitation is the best form of flattery, and Samsung has made a quality, competitive product, that's how it works, nothing to do with shame here, at least with PC's.

The MBA did start the "genre" AFAIK, that's like saying Apple should be shamed for adopting the 2 button mouse.

Apple has a two button mouse?

Thats news to every Mac user out there :rolleyes:

PaulWog
Jul 22, 2011, 01:58 PM
All these korean companies have no shame and originality!
When apple comes out a cool product, now samsung is the first one to copy, at least cosmetically, in size and building materials, jumping like a monkey and thinking they are the first one and suddenly change the world.
In an academic world, when you are doing research or writing papers, you give credit to those pioneers by citing their work. In a business world, people just copy without shame!
For god's sake, they did not call it a samsung air.

I disagree with you thoroughly, speaking about this one product in particular.

A notebook is not an original idea. There's a keyboard. There's a screen. There's a touchpad. There are slots. There's hardware inside. Etc, etc.

A variation of any product is not an original idea. So if you choose to have a thick product, or a thin product, or a more square-shaped product, or a product made of aluminum. There's simply no originality there.

So what did Samsung do? They took the idea of a laptop, and made it thinner. It looks nothing like a Macbook Air: It looks like an ultra-thin PC laptop. If you believe it's a rip-off of the Macbook Air, then I guess you'd also have to believe that since Apple makes a touchpad mouse that no one can do that; or that since Apple uses magnets in their power cord, that no one can make use of magnets in cords (which, sadly, the part about magnets is true due to patent laws... I think the magsafe patent is rather ridiculous... they were first to do it, but come on... we all know what magnets can be used for!... too simplistic).

Here's my personal view on the matter:

- The Samsung laptop depicted looks decent... but they didn't get the look right. And why did they not get it right? They didn't get it right because they basically took a regular notebook, squished it down to pancake size, and threw in some metal. They would've been better going with a simplistic design as Apple chose with the Macbook Air: However, in that case, people would start accusing them of really stealing Apple's ideas. But how could that be stealing an idea? Going with a simpler design? I mean, again... that's not an original idea.

- The Apple Macbook Air is undefeated in the market currently in terms of appearance, and price-to-performance when pitted against its exact direct competition for ultra-thin powerhouse higher-end notebooks.

nanotlj
Jul 22, 2011, 01:58 PM
We can now except samsung will try to copy, (oh you are right here) "imitate by flattery" everything apple produces. Maybe one day they will release a "revolutionary" samsung OS.

Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 02:01 PM
"Imitation is the best form of flattery"?
Only people without shame think alike!!!

Wann find a why to reply without being completely off? That's just me

So Apple has shame for adopting the two button mouse? Think about it, I think you're way off good sir.

Its copying the MBA, but the product has quality too it and is a respectable rival.

GGJstudios
Jul 22, 2011, 02:06 PM
Apple has a two button mouse?

Thats news to every Mac user out there :rolleyes:
No, it's not.
The Apple Mouse (formerly Apple Mighty Mouse) is a multi-button USB mouse manufactured and sold by Apple Inc..

The Mighty Mouse is made of white plastic and has a recessed Apple logo on the mouse's face. The mouse has four functional "buttons": a left capacitive sensor, a right capacitive sensor, a track ball with a pressure sensor and side squeeze sensors.
http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/
Two-button click
Magic Mouse functions as a two-button mouse when you enable Secondary Click in System Preferences.

striker33
Jul 22, 2011, 02:20 PM
No, it's not.

http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/

Ah, I forgot they updated that awful piece of crap to include it. Not that any veteran Mac user would even contemplate enabling it.

Basically to appease the Windows users who'd migrated and wouldn't stop bitching.

nanotlj
Jul 22, 2011, 02:36 PM
You just try to close your eyes to facts if think samsung and Acer ultrathin notebooks are not a try to copy, or at least inspired by, macbook air.

macbook air: 13", 11", Al body, wedge shape
samsung: 13", 11", metal body, wedge shape
Acer: 11", metal body, wedge shape.

So how original are they?


I disagree with you thoroughly, speaking about this one product in particular.

A notebook is not an original idea. There's a keyboard. There's a screen. There's a touchpad. There are slots. There's hardware inside. Etc, etc.

A variation of any product is not an original idea. So if you choose to have a thick product, or a thin product, or a more square-shaped product, or a product made of aluminum. There's simply no originality there.

So what did Samsung do? They took the idea of a laptop, and made it thinner. It looks nothing like a Macbook Air: It looks like an ultra-thin PC laptop. If you believe it's a rip-off of the Macbook Air, then I guess you'd also have to believe that since Apple makes a touchpad mouse that no one can do that; or that since Apple uses magnets in their power cord, that no one can make use of magnets in cords (which, sadly, the part about magnets is true due to patent laws... I think the magsafe patent is rather ridiculous... they were first to do it, but come on... we all know what magnets can be used for!... too simplistic).

Here's my personal view on the matter:

- The Samsung laptop depicted looks decent... but they didn't get the look right. And why did they not get it right? They didn't get it right because they basically took a regular notebook, squished it down to pancake size, and threw in some metal. They would've been better going with a simplistic design as Apple chose with the Macbook Air: However, in that case, people would start accusing them of really stealing Apple's ideas. But how could that be stealing an idea? Going with a simpler design? I mean, again... that's not an original idea.

- The Apple Macbook Air is undefeated in the market currently in terms of appearance, and price-to-performance when pitted against its exact direct competition for ultra-thin powerhouse higher-end notebooks.

PaulWog
Jul 22, 2011, 02:37 PM
You just try to close your eyes to facts if think samsung and Acer ultrathin notebooks are not a try to copy, or at least inspired by, macbook air.

macbook air: 13", 11", Al body, wedge shape
samsung: 13", 11", metal body, wedge shape
Acer: 11", metal body, wedge shape.

So how original are they?

Uhhh... a wedge shape, metal body, and small size is somehow Apple's idea?

I already gave my points. Case stands strong: They're not copying Apple.

Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 02:39 PM
Ah, I forgot they updated that awful piece of crap to include it. Not that any veteran Mac user would even contemplate enabling it.

Basically to appease the Windows users who'd migrated and wouldn't stop bitching.

Are you seriously suggesting the MM is a a POS? Only that statement could come from desperation to try and diss the Samsung through arguing other supporting details (imitation etc.). :rolleyes:


Basically to appease people who like more useable devices, not that any veteran Mac user likes quality devices that produce better, more efficient useability :rolleyes:

Idk man, maybe that's just you, or just me.

Lone Deranger
Jul 22, 2011, 02:40 PM
Imitation is the best form of flattery

Isn't that the first line of the Chinese national anthem? ;)

Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 02:41 PM
Uhhh... a wedge shape, metal body, and small size is somehow Apple's idea?

I already gave my points. Case stands strong: They're not copying Apple.

They're copying Apple, but respectively as its a quality product that delivers, ala the MBA.


Interesting..

Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 02:42 PM
Isn't that the first line of the Chinese national anthem? ;)

They're conditioned with it in their sleep ;)


I think it's to a degree. Samsung isn't claiming it's a MacBook Air, but it's their own laptop that is more or less on the same level (MBA still beats it overall, ofcourse, esp. with the new line up).

radiohead14
Jul 22, 2011, 02:47 PM
the Series 9 is actually a really good notebook. i believe the 11" has more battery life. what i didn't like about it is that certain parts of it were glossy, and i'm ocd when it comes to smudges and fingerprints. i read that Samsung is also refreshing this line with the newer Core i's

rkahl
Jul 22, 2011, 03:03 PM
I'm surprised its not the Macbook air with Samsung's name on it.

Brad L
Jul 22, 2011, 03:06 PM
I bought the series 9 the day it was released and decided to return it 2 weeks later. Everything was great except for the display. I just can't handle a low resolution 16:9 display. It was fine for watching movies, but unacceptable for development applications. I just picked up the new mba 13" i7 yesterday. 16:10 display. Windows installed perfectly using bootcamp and I'm really liking the changes in Lion.

For those people who claim Samsung is copying. eh? really? I think that is absurd. I was buying portable mp3 players for years before the ipod was available. I never even considered to blame Apple for copying. I believe Epson released the first laptop; I wish apple would stop copying them! Hey peeps, this is the free market in action. It drives innovation and creates jobs. It's sad to see some people so devoted to a corporation; it's almost like a religion.

JSalig
Jul 22, 2011, 03:16 PM
I've researched other thinner and ligher laptops and there is almost always a huge flaw that makes it a dealbreaker.

Horus
Jul 22, 2011, 03:29 PM
The Samsung has:
-1.4 GHz Core i5
-1366 x 768

for ~1550

The Almighty Air has:
-1.7 GHz Core i5
-1440 x 900

for 1299

So,
Where's the Apple Tax now?

Variant
Jul 22, 2011, 03:30 PM
This IS a MacBook Air ripoff...
http://www.technobaboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/asus-ux21-2.jpg
Asus



This IS NOT a MacBook Air ripoff...
http://c0.adoctane.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Samsung-Series-9-1-650x484.jpg
Samsung


I don't think it is necessary to explain why, looking at those pictures alone.

Krevnik
Jul 22, 2011, 04:11 PM
Ah, I forgot they updated that awful piece of crap to include it. Not that any veteran Mac user would even contemplate enabling it.

Basically to appease the Windows users who'd migrated and wouldn't stop bitching.

Really? I'm a veteran Mac user that couldn't live without a two-button mouse (or at least an easy way to right-click) since MacOS 8 came out and finally supported context menus.

Although now I can get away with two-finger click, I never could get used to command-click.

thuglove
Jul 22, 2011, 04:21 PM
How is the Samsung a copy? It looks nothing like a MBA

Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 05:24 PM
It's funny cuz I think Asus makes the MacBook Air for Apple, or at least machines the enclosure or maybe manufacturers the whole product (ofcourse Apple still had everything to do with its inception to build quality), but yeah I'm betting that Asus will be more or less a MacBook Air from build quality to performance (possible), which IS a copy. Competition can only be good, no?


I mean since Asus has hand in producing Apple machines, I think that blatant MBA "rip off", or copycat, is legit, respectable, and if its MBA standards in the right areas, it could be an excellent entry to more or less having a MBA (if priced cheaper), and ofcourse, wouldn't legally run OS X.

Tucom
Jul 22, 2011, 05:25 PM
And I think the point is not which LOOKS more like the MBA, but that there ARE notebooks being designed and produced, respectively, to have characteristics akin to the MBA, like the Samsung.


That Duralumin's pretty slick I gotta say, but I'd be willing to bet the MBA is still more solid feeling and overall built better, at least when it comes to the keyboard, but the Samsung I think is a respectable rival, or at least was..haven't peeped the specs thoroughly yet.