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WillMak
Jul 22, 2011, 04:46 PM
I was 100% committed to picking up a MBA 13 today...but when I felt the 11's weight and saw how sharp and readable its screen was....I couldn't make up my mind...so I walked out to think about it more. Anyone else have this experience? For some reason the 11 inch seemed to have sharper text to me.



GGJstudios
Jul 22, 2011, 04:50 PM
Right! I bought the 11" today to compare. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1194842)

TheEmpty
Jul 22, 2011, 04:51 PM
Probably the different screens. Some are Samsung, some are LG, it appears random. Depends on what you're going to use it for. For me I really wanted the the 11in for note taking at college, but ultimately I'll be doing work in between classes, staying away from home, etc. So I want the extra space that I can when I'm out and about.

marrzie
Jul 22, 2011, 04:54 PM
Its a tough decision. I had the 2010 13" and when testing it I was thinking no way I would ever like the 11". Until I tried the 11". It was so nice and much better than I ever imagined. Light, fast and super sharp text, great screen. In many ways the 11" seemed perfect. However I eventually decided on the 13" based on the increased performance and multitasking ability. And most importantly the added screen real estate is why I chose the 13".
You really have to sit down and make a list of the pros and cons of each machine to make the best decision. Plus with the new processors I doubt the 11" will have much trouble keeping pace with the 13" so that might not even factor into a decision assuming you are not doing many cpu intensive tasks a lot.

Bokes
Jul 22, 2011, 04:59 PM
I like the idea of an 11- but went with the 13.
It really is a big step up from my MacAir vC.

IMO- the 11 is a toy. The 13 is a true laptop.

If you need to work on the thing- get the 13.

If you just want to play- I say skip the 11- the ipad is much more fun.

KPOM
Jul 22, 2011, 05:00 PM
Since the processors and prices (comparably equipped) are so close, it really comes down to your preference on size and screen resolution. I switched to an 11" after having used the 13" models since the Rev A, and I haven't looked back. The only drawbacks to the 11" that I can see are the 768 vertical pixels (vs 900 on the 13"), and the lack of an SD slot. The latter is easily addressed with a USB adapter. My advice if you truly can't decide is to buy an 11" and try it. You have two weeks to return it and get the 13" instead.

The 11" might not seem that much smaller, but it makes a big difference if you travel with it.

WillMak
Jul 22, 2011, 05:01 PM
Its a tough decision. I had the 2010 13" and when testing it I was thinking no way I would ever like the 11". Until I tried the 11". It was so nice and much better than I ever imagined. Light, fast and super sharp text, great screen. In many ways the 11" seemed perfect. However I eventually decided on the 13" based on the increased performance and multitasking ability. And most importantly the added screen real estate is why I chose the 13".
You really have to sit down and make a list of the pros and cons of each machine to make the best decision. Plus with the new processors I doubt the 11" will have much trouble keeping pace with the 13" so that might not even factor into a decision assuming you are not doing many cpu intensive tasks a lot.


The only thing holding me back is typing on the 11. I can't imagine typing long essays on it.

tbobmccoy
Jul 22, 2011, 05:02 PM
I like the idea of an 11- but went with the 13.
It really is a big step up from my MacAir vC.

IMO- the 11 is a toy. The 13 is a true laptop.

If you need to work on the thing- get the 13.

If you just want to play- I say skip the 11- the ipad is much more fun.

The 11 can be a true ultraportable; for me, I'd have to pair it with the (forthcoming) Thunderbolt 27" ACD to make it reasonable for me. Since I'm not about to fork out 2600 for a solution like that, I decided to stick with the 13" ;)

Pogopuschel
Jul 22, 2011, 05:04 PM
I'm going to use the MBA as my primary computer and I doubt that I could do that with an 11". I tried it and it was just way to small for me. I'm a developer and will be using it 7+ hours per day. No way I could do that with the 11" I thought. Also, the increased battery life of the 13" is BIG for me.

If you're only using it occasionally and all you are doing is reading, text editing, surfing and email then I agree that a 11" is probably the way to go.

MJedi
Jul 22, 2011, 05:06 PM
The only thing holding me back is typing on the 11. I can't imagine typing long essays on it.

The 11 has the same full-size keyboard as the 13, and other MacBooks.

Trinatek
Jul 22, 2011, 05:06 PM
Is the 5 hour battery limitation a deal-breaker for you? It sure is for me.

nebulos
Jul 22, 2011, 05:07 PM
pixel density is higher on the 11".

11 MBA = 135 PPI
13 MBA = 128 PPI

as for other differences, as GGJ referenced above, others are reporting some. i think panels vary, even within a model, and within a panel type, there may be variation. i don't know, but now i will look into it more.

WillMak
Jul 22, 2011, 05:10 PM
The 11 has the same full-size keyboard as the 13, and other MacBooks.

Yes but the palm rest are shorter is what I meant. I like to rest my palms on the laptop when I'm trying to think while typing

palpatine
Jul 22, 2011, 05:13 PM
interesting opinions about the 11".

i am a graduate student, researcher, and teacher. the 11" is the only mba that appeals to me. after spending so long with my netbook, the (comparatively) large screen and great resolution looks perfect. you can easily get a lot of work done on the 11 (if your work mainly involves writing). heck, i get a lot of work done on the ipod (pairing bt keyboard) and/or ipad.

i figure, if you are going to get the 13" you might as well get the mbp--pay a lot less for a lot more (assuming you don't care about the resolution) for something that is only slightly heavier and takes up the same amount of space in your bag. i don't really see the appeal of the 13".

WillMak
Jul 22, 2011, 05:15 PM
So browsing these forums it seems the better quality screen is dependent on whether or not you get a samsung or lg screen for either the eleven or thirteen...how lame!

Pogopuschel
Jul 22, 2011, 05:17 PM
i figure, if you are going to get the 13" you might as well get the mbp--pay a lot less for a lot more (assuming you don't care about the resolution) for something that is only slightly heavier and takes up the same amount of space in your bag.
I'm actually going from a MBP to a MBA. It's a bit more than "slightly" heavier and larger (30-50% more!). Sure, if you look at the specs and absolute numbers it doesn't seem like much but if you carry it with you EVERY day for several hours the difference is very noticeable.

It's true that the MBP is more powerful, but unless you are playing games or routinely doing extremely CPU intensive stuff like rendering you won't even notice. Neither one applies to me.

nebulos
Jul 22, 2011, 05:19 PM
i figure, if you are going to get the 13" you might as well get the mbp--pay a lot less for a lot more (assuming you don't care about the resolution) for something that is only slightly heavier and takes up the same amount of space in your bag. i don't really see the appeal of the 13".

13 MBP is a lot heavier, no SSD, unacceptably low resolution, not much cheaper, not that much faster CPU, (... and slower stock disk; put in an SSD, and the price completely changes).

in my opinion, the 13 MBA is the new standard. the 11 is great too; if you can get by on the smaller screen, then you get lots by way of size and weight.

the 13 MBP makes almost no sense to me anymore. the 15 and 17 MBP are great machines for heavy lifting.

fotuwe
Jul 22, 2011, 05:25 PM
dont forget the smaller trackpad on the 11, missing SD-Card slot (depends if you need it) and cmon - 768 pixel ... what the..?

HiRez
Jul 22, 2011, 05:27 PM
The 11" is desirable and I was tempted by it, but the 13" has its place. I'm doing a lot of Lightroom and Xcode with it, so the extra screen real estate is significant there (and man does it blaze through RAW image previews thanks to the SSD!). And the at most 5 hours of battery life on the 11" is just not quite enough to get through a typical day, and I hate that feeling of having to be near an outlet and bring the plug with me at all times just in case. The extra 2 hours on the 13" is just enough to tip the scales the other way. Also like the larger trackpad and the SD card slot.

And while the 11" is incredibly small and light, the 2.9 lb. 13" feels like nothing after coming from a 5.5 lb. 15" MBP. Both are great, but I'm glad both models exist. That said, if they made a single model instead, right in the middle, let's say a 12.5" screen with 6-hour battery life and 2.5 lbs., it would be just about perfect for me.

briano
Jul 22, 2011, 05:33 PM
I was 100% committed to picking up a MBA 13 today...but when I felt the 11's weight and saw how sharp and readable its screen was....I couldn't make up my mind...so I walked out to think about it more. Anyone else have this experience? For some reason the 11 inch seemed to have sharper text to me.

I also was committed to get the 13. But walked out with a 11 MBA. The screen of the 13 was realy terrible. I needed more than 2 hours to be sure, tried everithing to convince myself to get the 13. But it was so in my face. Maybe it was just that 13 MBA in the store, i don't know. However, I'm very happy that I walked out with the 11.

ZBoater
Jul 22, 2011, 05:36 PM
I've been playing with my 13" MBA for 22 hours straight. If I had gotten the 11" I'd have shot myself... :D

Side by side it seems a lot bigger, but I just can't see where carrying the 13" would be such a hassle over the 11". And the extra screen real estate comes in handy when it counts the most - when you are using it.

The thing disappears into my laptop bag and I can almost forget it's there...

Pogopuschel
Jul 22, 2011, 05:41 PM
I also was committed to get the 13. But walked out with a 11 MBA. The screen of the 13 was realy terrible. .
Are you doing graphic/video related work by any chance?

When I looked at it (which was before I knew about the different screens) I couldn't see any difference. But then, I am not into design or graphics or video editing or anything like that. It seems like the people who notice most are designers or related professions, which makes sense. I am really wondering if a standard user would notice the difference.

JesseW6889
Jul 22, 2011, 05:45 PM
DO NOT BUY BASED ON WANTS! Buy based on your NEEDS! You will NOT regret this approach. You will regret buying an 11" if you spend 8 hours a day on it though!

Buy the 11" if you:
want a powerful netbook experience
don't need an Air, but you want one
don't plan on spending more than an hour at a time on it
don't have $1300

Buy the 13" if you:
want a laptop experience
plan on using it for extended periods of time
want to have no regrets once the 'newness' wears off

Buy both if you:
live by an Apple Store and can return one or the other within the two week time period!

Obscurelight
Jul 22, 2011, 05:45 PM
i figure, if you are going to get the 13" you might as well get the mbp--pay a lot less for a lot more (assuming you don't care about the resolution) for something that is only slightly heavier and takes up the same amount of space in your bag. i don't really see the appeal of the 13".

Actually if you consider the MBA 13" Ultimate and MBP 13" with the same specs the macbook pro is actually $50 more factoring in the education discount for both. You aren't really getting more because you have same

Intel HD3000
4GB RAM
256GB SS
Battery Life

Then

MBA has higher screen resolution
MBA Weighs 33% less than the MBP
MBA Bluetooth 4.0 vs. MBP 2.1
MBA 33% Thinner than the MBP
MBA has 1mb more cache but MBP I5 processor clocks 500mhz faster.
MBP has optical drive

Overall I think for the convenience of the that the MBA provides compared to the MBP 13" I can't justify the 500mhz faster clock speed at the cost of $50 more, extra weight, and lower resolution. I frankly think the MBP 13" has become obsolete since you cannot even get a dedicated video card on it. MBA will probably kill off the 13" MBP unless apple finds some way to reinvent and add features that will entice buyers to get it instead of the 13" macbook air. After all apple did say Macbook Air is the next generation and the future of MacBooks :rolleyes:

Samsumac
Jul 22, 2011, 06:54 PM
Go with the 13" . Your eyes will thank you....;)

s.hasan546
Jul 22, 2011, 06:58 PM
DO NOT BUY BASED ON WANTS! Buy based on your NEEDS! You will NOT regret this approach. You will regret buying an 11" if you spend 8 hours a day on it though!

Buy the 11" if you:
want a powerful netbook experience
don't need an Air, but you want one
don't plan on spending more than an hour at a time on it
don't have $1300

Buy the 13" if you:
want a laptop experience
plan on using it for extended periods of time
want to have no regrets once the 'newness' wears off

Buy both if you:
live by an Apple Store and can return one or the other within the two week time period!

I'd also get the 11" if you spend a lot of your time at a desk and already have external monitors. This is the reason im going to be getting the MBA 11". Im on my computer 6-8 hours a day but i have 2 22" external monitors + wireless keyboard/mouse. To me this is the best of both worlds. I have huge screens while at my desk and a ultraportable laptop when on the train or plane (im on the train 2 hours a day and fly atleast once a month)

glen e
Jul 22, 2011, 07:06 PM
It always amazes me how many people on these boards write with a "buy what I bought and whatever you bought sucks" attitude...truth is, apple makes both the 11 and the 13 for different needs and wants. The 11 is fine for me, but my business partner thinks the screen is too small and has the 13. I feel completely the opposite, I like the true portability of the 11 and value that over more real estate, as I"m the one traveling as he runs the office and stays put.

I'm sure they both sell well....

mac jones
Jul 22, 2011, 07:07 PM
If you want light, get light. If you want bigger get bigger.

If you want light and bigger.....well.... walk away :D

BornAgainMac
Jul 22, 2011, 07:11 PM
Apple did good. Both the 11 inch and 13 inch camps are almost like the PC vs Mac. No thread will ever settle which is the better Air.

SpiffyChee
Jul 22, 2011, 07:14 PM
It comes down to one thing. Which is more portable? (If you are buying a macbook air and dont care about the portability factor then you are a strange person...)

It may seem at first that they are both just about as portable and just about the same weight. But.... Try to lift the 13" with one hand... It is extremely uncomfortable... It isnt just the weight, but the overall diagonal length that causes the torque on your hand. Then try this with the 11.6" air. The grip you get from just one hand is comfortable and secure and simply makes you wanna run away with it!

Also as a side note: a 16:9 display is a lot more convenient for so many things... whether that be streamed videos or side by side columns... The extra screen real estate is mostly in height for the 13" (which is not helpful for most things).

jp700p
Jul 22, 2011, 07:16 PM
The 11" is desirable and I was tempted by it, but the 13" has its place. I'm doing a lot of Lightroom and Xcode with it, so the extra screen real estate is significant there (and man does it blaze through RAW image previews thanks to the SSD!). And the at most 5 hours of battery life on the 11" is just not quite enough to get through a typical day, and I hate that feeling of having to be near an outlet and bring the plug with me at all times just in case. The extra 2 hours on the 13" is just enough to tip the scales the other way. Also like the larger trackpad and the SD card slot.

And while the 11" is incredibly small and light, the 2.9 lb. 13" feels like nothing after coming from a 5.5 lb. 15" MBP. Both are great, but I'm glad both models exist. That said, if they made a single model instead, right in the middle, let's say a 12.5" screen with 6-hour battery life and 2.5 lbs., it would be just about perfect for me.

Well said sir!

maroulis
Jul 22, 2011, 08:18 PM
The 11 can be a true ultraportable; for me, I'd have to pair it with the (forthcoming) Thunderbolt 27" ACD to make it reasonable for me. Since I'm not about to fork out 2600 for a solution like that, I decided to stick with the 13" ;)

I've been using the 2010 11" for quite some time and as my only work computer.. I have a mac mini an iMac and a 27" ACD.. I can count in the palm of my hand the times I've hooked it up to the 27". Unless you do photoshop or video editing the high res screen works fine.. and it's ultraportable which is why I've bought a bunch of iPads including iPad2 and can't find use for them apart from maybe reading ebooks on the plane :)

the 13" is too big for me... try the 11" you won't be disappointed

PittAir
Jul 22, 2011, 11:19 PM
DO NOT BUY BASED ON WANTS! Buy based on your NEEDS! You will NOT regret this approach. You will regret buying an 11" if you spend 8 hours a day on it though!

Buy the 11" if you:
want a powerful netbook experience
don't need an Air, but you want one
don't plan on spending more than an hour at a time on it
don't have $1300

Buy the 13" if you:
want a laptop experience
plan on using it for extended periods of time
want to have no regrets once the 'newness' wears off

Buy both if you:
live by an Apple Store and can return one or the other within the two week time period!

Interesting. Do you own either? I love the "one hour" comment...

FieldingMellish
Jul 23, 2011, 01:37 AM
I'm surrounded by Macs from years of getting them, so I went with the 11. Reminds me of my beloved, but weighty, 12 inch Mac. I periodically day trip for work and will often have a DSLR, samples or tools with me, so a ~2 lb. small laptop is a joy. Though graphics software loves screen space, so I will affix the 11 to a monitor when needed, or simply transfer the file to another Mac and take care of it.

MacRumorUser
Jul 23, 2011, 02:45 AM
I like the idea of an 11- but went with the 13.
It really is a big step up from my MacAir vC.

IMO- the 11 is a toy. The 13 is a true laptop.

If you need to work on the thing- get the 13.

If you just want to play- I say skip the 11- the ipad is much more fun.

The 11" and 13" can be identically specced so the only difference is screen size. The extra 1.6" hardly relegates the smaller model to a 'toy', to suggest that less than 100 pixels wide relegates it to being lesser a device is just a bit silly really.

JesseW6889
Jul 23, 2011, 03:15 AM
Interesting. Do you own either? I love the "one hour" comment...

I've owned both. First the 13, then the 11 as my needs changed.

I have the 11 now for use on a small desk space in college, but I desperately miss the larger screen when I'm on it for any extended amount of time (Actually, I miss it all the time, but the longer I go, the worse multi tasking gets.)

Can you use the 11 for more than an hour? Absolutely. Can you write a 3 page email on an iPhone? Absolutely. Should you? Thats another question entirely...

Most Apple products make me fight the 'wants vs needs' battle, the Air is no different.

bluez3
Jul 23, 2011, 03:51 AM
I'm surrounded by Macs from years of getting them, so I went with the 11. Reminds me of my beloved, but weighty, 12 inch Mac. I periodically day trip for work and will often have a DSLR, samples or tools with me, so a ~2 lb. small laptop is a joy. Though graphics software loves screen space, so I will affix the 11 to a monitor when needed, or simply transfer the file to another Mac and take care of it.

do you find yourself missing the SD card slot? I'm in a similar situation where i have a bag full of tools and gadgets for field surveying, and have grown accustomed to having the SD slot on my 2009 MBP for transferring pictures to empty the memory card. i guess carrying the USB cable is the viable work around, but that would be one hangup that might steer me to a 13", and the higher resolution screen.

i0Nic
Jul 23, 2011, 04:01 AM
I feel like Lion solves a lot of the small screen issues on the 11" with it's full screen apps.

axu539
Jul 23, 2011, 04:03 AM
The only thing holding me back is typing on the 11. I can't imagine typing long essays on it.

Why? The keyboard is full-sized...

Samsumac
Jul 23, 2011, 04:58 AM
It may seem at first that they are both just about as portable and just about the same weight. But.... Try to lift the 13" with one hand... It is extremely uncomfortable... It isnt just the weight, but the overall diagonal length that causes the torque on your hand..

This is getting your argument too far. Only a two year old would find holding the 13" with one hand uncomfortable... Torque?? :D:D

Lord Appleseed
Jul 23, 2011, 05:02 AM
It may seem at first that they are both just about as portable and just about the same weight. But.... Try to lift the 13" with one hand... It is extremely uncomfortable... It isnt just the weight, but the overall diagonal length that causes the torque on your hand. Then try this with the 11.6" air. The grip you get from just one hand is comfortable and secure and simply makes you wanna run away with it!
You must be either very weak, or a slim girl with small hands.
Not even a 17" MBPro causes me problems lifting it with one hand.

WillMak
Jul 23, 2011, 05:36 AM
OP here, you guys have convinced me to go back in and get the 13 inch!

FieldingMellish
Jul 23, 2011, 05:40 AM
do you find yourself missing the SD card slot? I'm in a similar situation where i have a bag full of tools and gadgets for field surveying, and have grown accustomed to having the SD slot on my 2009 MBP for transferring pictures to empty the memory card. i guess carrying the USB cable is the viable work around, but that would be one hangup that might steer me to a 13", and the higher resolution screen.

I admit the slot was handy on my now gone 13. Personal reality for me, though, is that my media occasionally includes compact flash cards for the Canon 5DMKII, to which I had gone overboard once and gotten a wire tethered component that handles both media in addition to a memory stick, (something that I never use.) - though what I had gotten rid of in the process, using prior laptops with no slot, was a short, wireless dongle whose only mission was to convert the usb port to an SD card slot. I don't recall the maker, but they must be out there somewhere. It is very small and rids your bag of a tangly wired component.

If you are contemplating the air as your only computer, the 13 is worth a look. I enjoyed it for the short time I had it. Basic Adobe apps worked well, but in reality there are times in graphics when you need an overview that only a much larger monitor will do. So the 13, for me, was an tweener that offered less of either end of the range. The 11 occupies the sweet spot in that small end of the range for me.

hachre
Jul 23, 2011, 05:49 AM
You must be either very weak, or a slim girl with small hands.
Not even a 17" MBPro causes me problems lifting it with one hand.

Try having it open while you carry it holding it at one side and with the other hand typing something while doing that. Now continue for 5 minutes and see if you still have no problem ;) If you don't then: Not everyone is a body builder!! :P

TC25
Jul 23, 2011, 06:00 AM
IMO- the 11 is a toy. The 13 is a true laptop.

If you need to work on the thing- get the 13.

If you just want to play- I say skip the 11- the ipad is much more fun.
The whole point of the MBA is size and weight. Get the MBA11 if you want a real laptop that's easy to use and carry. Only uninformed people, whose goal is to insult, not inform, call it a toy.

Chundles
Jul 23, 2011, 06:03 AM
The only thing holding me back is typing on the 11. I can't imagine typing long essays on it.

I did my chemistry degree on a 12" iBook. Same vertical resolution and it was fine.

CapnJackGig
Jul 23, 2011, 06:56 AM
The 11 feels like an overpriced toy to me. Might as well just get an iPad.

KPOM
Jul 23, 2011, 07:37 AM
OP here, you guys have convinced me to go back in and get the 13 inch!

Glad you made a decision. Good luck with it.

The 11 feels like an overpriced toy to me. Might as well just get an iPad.

Can I get the iPad with a 1.8GHz Core i7, 4GB RAM, and 256GB of flash storage?

It's all a matter of preference. Functionally, there is no difference between the top 11" and 13" models. The only differences are in the screen size and resolution, and the battery size.

This is getting your argument too far. Only a two year old would find holding the 13" with one hand uncomfortable... Torque?? :D:D

I remember when the Rev A came out a lot of people were asking why anyone would need something so thin and light, when the base MacBook weighed "only" 2 pounds more and had a faster processor, more ports, and a Superdrive. It was suggested on the Macworld forums that we Rev A buyers get a gym membership instead, if we didn't want to lift 5 lbs.

Lord Appleseed
Jul 23, 2011, 07:41 AM
Try having it open while you carry it holding it at one side and with the other hand typing something while doing that. Now continue for 5 minutes and see if you still have no problem ;) If you don't then: Not everyone is a body builder!! :P

Well that certainly does not work for long with a 17" MacBook pro, but with a 13" Air this is not a big deal, and i am no body builder lol.

Bokes
Jul 23, 2011, 08:19 AM
The whole point of the MBA is size and weight. Get the MBA11 if you want a real laptop that's easy to use and carry. Only uninformed people, whose goal is to insult, not inform, call it a toy.

uninformed? not me.
My comment to the 11 was not an insult- it was in my own opinion.
For me the 11 would work for internet surfing and watching movies....and for this purpose I would much rather use and carry the ipad.

I do a lot of writing and the extra space on the 13 allows me to see more of a document without scrolling.

Actually the whole debate is silly.
to each his own- enjoy!

bmat
Jul 23, 2011, 08:30 AM
The only thing holding me back is typing on the 11. I can't imagine typing long essays on it.

By all means, you have to figure out what you need, but the notion someone else said about the 11 inch being a toy is not true and depends on use. I work and am not in school and use my 11.6 MBA for tons of work (basically exclusively) -- writing briefs, memos, doing presentations, research, etc. Many of these documents are 60 to 100 pages long. For me, it was just the size difference, as I can carry my MBA everywhere.

(And, yes, i have an iPad also, which serves a different function all together.)

Pipper99
Jul 23, 2011, 09:45 AM
Called the apple store, and they had the i7 13" MBA in stock. Walked in two hours later to purchase, and they'd sold out about an hour earlier. Argh, I had no angst over which model to buy. Oh, well, maybe tomorrow.

kis
Jul 23, 2011, 09:54 AM
i figure, if you are going to get the 13" you might as well get the mbp--pay a lot less for a lot more (assuming you don't care about the resolution) for something that is only slightly heavier

I'll have to disagree with you there - the 13 MBP isn't only "slightly" heavier, it weighs about 700g more - to put that in perspective: the iPad 2 only weighs about 600g. So it's a heck of a lot heavier and you'll most definitely notice the difference in your bag.

Also, because of the SSD that comes standard with the MBA, the MBA isn't really much slower than the 13" Macbook Pro, either.

Apart from the weight and the performance, the MBA doesn't have the glass panel in front of the LCD, making it a lot less glossy.

Peter

SpiffyChee
Jul 23, 2011, 11:32 AM
You must be either very weak, or a slim girl with small hands.
Not even a 17" MBPro causes me problems lifting it with one hand.

Rofl. Sure maybe I exaggerated... But the point being: When I hold the 13" with one hand, the grip feels unstable and it almost feels like over time I could cause body damage to its case.

Just go to the apple store and hold both at the same time with their screens open. Sure you could hold either of them for hours on end, but it just feels right holding the 11"

BTW. I am a bodybuilder. My arms are my strongest point. This is not a strength issue. I simply feel like I'm treating the 13" unlike it was meant to be treated if I hold it with one hand. It could fall, or the hinge could be stressed, or the body itself... etc

Just go hold them both. For portability, the 11" is so much nicer.

Gemütlichkeit
Jul 23, 2011, 11:41 AM
I couldn't downgrade my screen resolution. Gotta get the 13"

boston04and07
Jul 23, 2011, 12:15 PM
DO NOT BUY BASED ON WANTS! Buy based on your NEEDS! You will NOT regret this approach. You will regret buying an 11" if you spend 8 hours a day on it though!

Buy the 11" if you:
want a powerful netbook experience
don't need an Air, but you want one
don't plan on spending more than an hour at a time on it
don't have $1300

Buy the 13" if you:
want a laptop experience
plan on using it for extended periods of time
want to have no regrets once the 'newness' wears off

Buy both if you:
live by an Apple Store and can return one or the other within the two week time period!

Couldn't disagree more. Many of us (myself included) use our MBA 11's daily for real work. In fact, when I bought my 11" I bought it for exactly all the reasons you listed under your reasons to buy a 13." I've been using it daily for 6 months now for work and graduate school and it really is quite the machine. Now I agree that there is no "right" machine to buy, (to each his own), but the 11" is indeed very capable and is, to many users, much more than what you described it to be. It's a little silly to spend so much money on this type of computer for the reasons you listed. Honestly, if I needed something to use for no more than an hour at a time I would just go buy an iPod touch. ;)

The 11 feels like an overpriced toy to me. Might as well just get an iPad.

I have both and, in my opinion, the two are miles apart. The only thing they really have in common is their relative size. I love my iPad but could not use it alone for school. Yet, the MBA is perfect for me as I need it for mostly writing and I am not bothered by a lack of vertical pixels. I've actually found that the two complement each other nicely. It's great to be able to have a book open on the iPad while i have my notes in Pages open fullscreen on the MBA. But again, to each his own - what works for one person won't work for everyone!

ozthegweat
Jul 23, 2011, 12:19 PM
I' m also still undecided if I should get the 11 or the 13. Right now, I'm using a Late 2009 15'' MBP. I only use it at home for surfing, iTunes, iPhoto and syncing iPhone and iPad, so I think I could get by with a smaller screen. And I think Lion's full screen functionality alleviates this problem quite a bit.

But I'm not sure about the battery life... damn, why is the 11 so damn sexy?:)

entatlrg
Jul 23, 2011, 12:21 PM
Couldn't disagree more. Many of us (myself included) use our MBA 11's daily for real work. In fact, when I bought my 11" I bought it for exactly all the reasons you listed under your reasons to buy a 13." I've been using it daily for 6 months now for work and graduate school and it really is quite the machine. Now I agree that there is no "right" machine to buy, (to each his own), but the 11" is indeed very capable and is, to many users, much more than what you described it to be. It's a little silly to spend so much money on this type of computer for the reasons you listed. Honestly, if I needed something to use for no more than an hour at a time I would just go buy an iPod touch. ;)

I have both and, in my opinion, the two are miles apart. The only thing they really have in common is their relative size. I love my iPad but could not use it alone for school. Yet, the MBA is perfect for me as I need it for mostly writing and I am not bothered by a lack of vertical pixels. I've actually found that the two complement each other nicely. It's great to be able to have a book open on the iPad while i have my notes in Pages open fullscreen on the MBA. But again, to each his own - what works for one person won't work for everyone!


Well said. If you can stare at the 13" screen all day, you can the 11" too, just keep in mind there's less vertical real estate so more scrolling but it's definitely much more capable than being used for an hour at a time.

iPad versus MacBook Air ... don't get me started :mad: They are MILES apart, I own both and each serve a purpose.

myrtlebee
Jul 23, 2011, 12:53 PM
DO NOT BUY BASED ON WANTS! Buy based on your NEEDS! You will NOT regret this approach. You will regret buying an 11" if you spend 8 hours a day on it though!

Buy the 11" if you:
want a powerful netbook experience
don't need an Air, but you want one
don't plan on spending more than an hour at a time on it
don't have $1300

Buy the 13" if you:
want a laptop experience
plan on using it for extended periods of time
want to have no regrets once the 'newness' wears off

Buy both if you:
live by an Apple Store and can return one or the other within the two week time period!

This is pure BS. First of all, anyone buying an Air is not buying it based solely on their needs. Secondly, I spend hours upon hours on my 11" Air and have had no problems whatsoever. Now with Lion, the complaints about screen real estate are null and void with fullscreen apps, smooth-as-butter pinch to zoom in Safari, and all of the other great multitasking features in Lion. While using my Air for MONTHS not once have I felt like I was on a netbook. It has felt like a full-blown laptop since day one and now with Lion's features feels more like a full-blown workstation with swiping through spaces and fullscreen apps. The newness does not "wear off" on the 11" - if anything it wears off on the 13 which is a bit large for an Air in my opinion. This "warning" from this guy is complete nonsense.

hisboyelroy
Jul 23, 2011, 01:06 PM
First of all, anyone buying an Air is not buying it based solely on their needs.

So true. But, I think that is okay. Part of the allure of Apple is that it meets our wants as well as our needs. There are many laptops out there I could get to satisfy my needs. I pay more for Apple because it also satisfies my wants.

And by the way, I really love my new 13" MBA. So far I think it is about the funnest computer I've ever owned.

myrtlebee
Jul 23, 2011, 01:38 PM
So true. But, I think that is okay. Part of the allure of Apple is that it meets our wants as well as our needs. There are many laptops out there I could get to satisfy my needs. I pay more for Apple because it also satisfies my wants.

And by the way, I really love my new 13" MBA. So far I think it is about the funnest computer I've ever owned.


It's definitely okay- in fact, it may be the best part : ) Most of my favorite things about Apple products are all the little things about them that fit my wants- especially the great design. After switching to Lion, I feel like I'm on a new Air all over again. It's definitely a fun way to be productive or just have fun - I don't see why people assume that one can't but Apple products for pleasure and fun. The whole "needs" thing is getting old!

Pipper99
Jul 23, 2011, 01:44 PM
It's definitely okay- in fact, it may be the best part : ) Most of my favorite things about Apple products are all the little things about them that fit my wants- especially the great design. After switching to Lion, I feel like I'm on a new Air all over again. It's definitely a fun way to be productive or just have fun - I don't see why people assume that one can't but Apple products for pleasure and fun. The whole "needs" thing is getting old!

Yep, there's very little that I buy based solely on need.

Pipper99
Jul 23, 2011, 01:50 PM
Called the apple store, and they had the i7 13" MBA in stock. Walked in two hours later to purchase, and they'd sold out about an hour earlier. Argh, I had no angst over which model to buy. Oh, well, maybe tomorrow.

And, they do! Leaving with a new MBA.

thuglove
Jul 23, 2011, 02:05 PM
This is like the 15" MBP vs the 17" MBP all over again. Basically, if you want more screen real estate get the 13". Value portability more? Get the 11". End of story.

JesseW6889
Jul 23, 2011, 02:11 PM
+1 for torque, lol

Obi Wan Kenobi
Jul 23, 2011, 02:17 PM
Is the 5 hour battery limitation a deal-breaker for you? It sure is for me.

I know what you mean and this has troubled me for some time, but the 11" model is so much lighter than the 13". I won't be using wireless for the whole time I'm out and about with my MBA, so I'm trying to buy the 11" (with i5, not i7 for just this reason). The battery should last for long enough (I hope).

:(

FWIW I tried to buy an 11" MBA in store today (the 128GB model) and it had sold out. I was told they had some stock of the other models (64GB and 256GB model), but had lots of 13"MBAs. Whether that's because they received more stock of the 13" models I don't know. I'm hoping this means that when I get my MBA, I have more chance of getting the faster Samsung SSD, on the basis that the stock of the Toshiba SSDs will have all been sold.

Nostromo
Jul 23, 2011, 02:26 PM
A good size keyboard is absolutely necessary if you work for an extended time.

In regards to the screen quality, I'll simply sit back and wait what's coming down the pipe. Maybe a later batch will get better (Samsung) screens.

myrtlebee
Jul 23, 2011, 02:32 PM
A good size keyboard is absolutely necessary if you work for an extended time.


What are you guys talking about? I keep seeing this. They keyboard is the same size on the 11" and the 13". Only difference is slimmer function keys.

Nostromo
Jul 23, 2011, 02:52 PM
What are you guys talking about? I keep seeing this. They keyboard is the same size on the 11" and the 13". Only difference is slimmer function keys.

It was a virus going around.

Thanks for the flu shots ;)

WillMak
Jul 23, 2011, 02:54 PM
What are you guys talking about? I keep seeing this. They keyboard is the same size on the 11" and the 13". Only difference is slimmer function keys.

The keyboard is the same size but the palm rests might be too small for some in the 11

NM08SRT8
Jul 23, 2011, 02:55 PM
DO NOT BUY BASED ON WANTS! Buy based on your NEEDS! You will NOT regret this approach. You will regret buying an 11" if you spend 8 hours a day on it though!

Buy the 11" if you:
want a powerful netbook experience
don't need an Air, but you want one
don't plan on spending more than an hour at a time on it
don't have $1300

Buy the 13" if you:
want a laptop experience
plan on using it for extended periods of time
want to have no regrets once the 'newness' wears off

Buy both if you:
live by an Apple Store and can return one or the other within the two week time period!

Ironic how you just used the word WANT several times after you just instructed all of us not to buy based off wants...

myrtlebee
Jul 23, 2011, 02:56 PM
The keyboard is the same size but the palm rests might be too small for some in the 11

I was talking about people speaking specifically of the keyboard. He was not mentioning the palm rests whatsoever.

philhyde
Jul 23, 2011, 03:00 PM
I was 100% committed to picking up a MBA 13 today...but when I felt the 11's weight and saw how sharp and readable its screen was....I couldn't make up my mind...so I walked out to think about it more. Anyone else have this experience? For some reason the 11 inch seemed to have sharper text to me.

I did exactly this, but came home with the 13. I liked the 11 for a lot of reasons in many conditions, but the 13 just made more overall sense.

striker33
Jul 23, 2011, 03:02 PM
I was 100% committed to picking up a MBA 13 today...but when I felt the 11's weight and saw how sharp and readable its screen was....I couldn't make up my mind...so I walked out to think about it more. Anyone else have this experience? For some reason the 11 inch seemed to have sharper text to me.

The 11" has an extra 12 PPI over the 13", which is why the text and overall picture quality appears sharper.

WillMak
Jul 23, 2011, 03:07 PM
How Is working with Powerpooint for people with the MBA 11? Does it feel too cramped?

Nostromo
Jul 23, 2011, 06:32 PM
The keyboard is the same size but the palm rests might be too small for some in the 11

Palm rests are an important part of working ergonomically.

KPOM
Jul 23, 2011, 07:10 PM
How Is working with Powerpooint for people with the MBA 11? Does it feel too cramped?

It can feel cramped sometimes because of the Ribbon. Microsoft put more things on top even as screens have gotten wider (not taller). If I do anything in PowerPoint on the 11, I usually hide the Ribbon.

iRun26.2
Jul 23, 2011, 08:36 PM
Why? The keyboard is full-sized...

I agree. The keyboard on the 11.6" MBA is one of my favorites. I prefer it to most other keyboards (and yet it is so thin!). :)

JesseW6889
Jul 24, 2011, 01:35 AM
This is pure BS. First of all, anyone buying an Air is not buying it based solely on their needs. Secondly, I spend hours upon hours on my 11" Air and have had no problems whatsoever. Now with Lion, the complaints about screen real estate are null and void with fullscreen apps, smooth-as-butter pinch to zoom in Safari, and all of the other great multitasking features in Lion. While using my Air for MONTHS not once have I felt like I was on a netbook. It has felt like a full-blown laptop since day one and now with Lion's features feels more like a full-blown workstation with swiping through spaces and fullscreen apps. The newness does not "wear off" on the 11" - if anything it wears off on the 13 which is a bit large for an Air in my opinion. This "warning" from this guy is complete nonsense.

Couldn't disagree more. Many of us (myself included) use our MBA 11's daily for real work. In fact, when I bought my 11" I bought it for exactly all the reasons you listed under your reasons to buy a 13." I've been using it daily for 6 months now for work and graduate school and it really is quite the machine. Now I agree that there is no "right" machine to buy, (to each his own), but the 11" is indeed very capable and is, to many users, much more than what you described it to be. It's a little silly to spend so much money on this type of computer for the reasons you listed. Honestly, if I needed something to use for no more than an hour at a time I would just go buy an iPod touch. ;)


Ironic how you just used the word WANT several times after you just instructed all of us not to buy based off wants...

First of all, I get that the 11 can do everything, thats not whats being debated, this is like asking what is better: Pepsi or Coke? Its opinion and clearly the 3 of you have the 11", so you're hardly unbiased.

I have owned both 2010 models and now use the 11" every day. RIGHT NOW, The size makes sense for what I need it for, on my desk in class for note taking, etc. Smaller footprint over the 13 actually makes a big deal in a small space, the instant on/off and smaller size make it quick to put away and take out many times, which I need to do often.

That said, I would prefer the 13 if I didn't need to move as often and had more space when I did set up.

I own and use the 11 but prefer the 13. I provided the criteria I did based on my use of each model for 5 months each.

myrtlebee
Jul 24, 2011, 10:41 AM
First of all, I get that the 11 can do everything, thats not whats being debated, this is like asking what is better: Pepsi or Coke? Its opinion and clearly the 3 of you have the 11", so you're hardly unbiased.

I have owned both 2010 models and now use the 11" every day. RIGHT NOW, The size makes sense for what I need it for, on my desk in class for note taking, etc. Smaller footprint over the 13 actually makes a big deal in a small space, the instant on/off and smaller size make it quick to put away and take out many times, which I need to do often.

That said, I would prefer the 13 if I didn't need to move as often and had more space when I did set up.

I own and use the 11 but prefer the 13. I provided the criteria I did based on my use of each model for 5 months each.

Sorry, bud, can't backtrack. Here's what you posted before:


Buy the 11" if you:
want a powerful netbook experience
don't need an Air, but you want one
don't plan on spending more than an hour at a time on it
don't have $1300

Buy the 13" if you:
want a laptop experience
plan on using it for extended periods of time
want to have no regrets once the 'newness' wears off"

You do not "get" that the 11" can do everything. Apparently you believe that the 11 is a "netbook experience", not a "laptop experience" (suggesting it's lesser in function in certain ways). You also believe that it is unusable after an hour's use. Incredibly false. That its "newness" will wear off quicker than the 13" (Really? What does that mean anyway?). It's only for people who don't "need" an Air? Again, what does that mean- certainly there was an element of want that went into your decision to buy the Air, correct? It makes no sense. And, of course, if somebody has more the $1300 why in the world would they consider the 11" because (apparently to you) the 13" is superior. Please. Your post was not unbiased and it was totally downing the 11" based on pure nonsense.

BeachChair
Jul 24, 2011, 11:09 AM
I like the idea of an 11- but went with the 13.
It really is a big step up from my MacAir vC.

IMO- the 11 is a toy. The 13 is a true laptop.

If you need to work on the thing- get the 13.

If you just want to play- I say skip the 11- the ipad is much more fun.

I don't get how people can write nonsense in such absolute terms. Is it so hard to imagine other people might have different preferences than yourself?