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onthecouchagain
Jul 23, 2011, 01:19 PM
How long do people's Airs take to wake from sleep? It seems to me instant on is not instant at all. It takes anywhere from 2-3 seconds, and then for some reason, it takes like a second or two for the password dots (the encryption) to actually show up after I type in my password to log in.

What's the deal with that? Just fluff from Apple calling it Instant On, or are people's Air's truly waking up instantly -- meaning, when you pop the lid, the screen is up and running?



nebulos
Jul 23, 2011, 01:21 PM
marketing garbage

Gemütlichkeit
Jul 23, 2011, 01:35 PM
My 2008 mbp took 2 seconds to display the lock screen.

From the demos I used, it's pretty fast when you don't have a lock screen.

PaulDoFish
Jul 23, 2011, 01:40 PM
Mine isn't password locked, but it still takes like 4 seconds after popping the lid before the trackpad is functional. I think Lion makes it worse. My sisters' 13 inch MBPs (Base Model. No SSD) from 2010 & 2011 on Snow Leopard wake up faster than my 2011 13 inch MBA with Lion...

tbobmccoy
Jul 23, 2011, 01:41 PM
marketing garbage

While it is marketing mostly, there is some truth in the fact that Lion isn't as "instant" as snow leopard was. Lion is noticeably longer to resume after a close on both my MacBook Pro and my new MacBook Air (compared to the old Air). Hopefully this is fixed in 10.7.1 :D

reputationZed
Jul 23, 2011, 01:44 PM
Moe:This thing can flash fry a Water Buffalo in 40 seconds
Homer: 40 seconds, but I'm hungry now

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 06:47 PM
Just adding my 2 cents.

Times from opening of the lid to the time screen comes on...

1-2 Seconds: My 2010\128\4GB MBA 11" running Snow Leopard
4-7 Seconds: My 2011\128\4GB MBA 11" running Lion

Something definitely is different with these new models, unsure if it's Lion (as I'd installed Lion on my old model but didn't have it on for more than a day before upgrading to 2011 model, so unsure).... or the difference in hardware is causing the delay.

Either way, in best case scenarios, 4 seconds is what I'm getting, and that's certainly not "instant on" in any sense of the phrase.

Hopefully Apple will release an update to resolve this.

Fernandez21
Jul 23, 2011, 06:55 PM
If only the 2005 version of yourselves could see you complaining now about boot time taking 4 seconds. Just don't start complaining about the 5hr battery life or they might flip!

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 06:57 PM
If only the 2005 version of yourselves could see you complaining now about boot time taking 4 seconds. Just don't start complaining about the 5hr battery life or they might flip!

HAHA, yeah I know, lol.

Yeah, and imagine how the people who lived in the 1820s feel about not having a slave to plow their fields and wash their clothes. Progress is a good thing. :-)

KPOM
Jul 23, 2011, 07:56 PM
I encrypted my drive so I need to type in a password, but I have found that the login screen comes on within a second, and by the time I have entered my password my Wi-Fi connection is active. Have you tried rebooting at all? I have spent much of today getting my Boot Camp partition set up, so perhaps all the reboots helped, but for me "instant on" is still pretty instant.

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 07:57 PM
I encrypted my drive so I need to type in a password, but I have found that the login screen comes on within a second, and by the time I have entered my password my Wi-Fi connection is active. Have you tried rebooting at all? I have spent much of today getting my Boot Camp partition set up, so perhaps all the reboots helped, but for me "instant on" is still pretty instant.

Yeah and even on absolutely clean\fresh install, same thing.

Samsumac
Jul 23, 2011, 08:09 PM
It can be the new OS, the EFI Bios, or a combination of both... Perhaps it will get much snappier once the code is optimised.

Oppressed
Jul 23, 2011, 08:12 PM
My only advice is the same advice I give to people experiencing slow startups. Copy and paste this into terminal ONE LINE AT A TIME.

sudo chown root:admin /
sudo kextcache -system-prelinked-kernel
sudo kextcache -system-caches


Restart and try then.

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 08:15 PM
My only advice is the same advice I give to people experiencing slow startups. Copy and paste this into terminal ONE LINE AT A TIME.

sudo chown root:admin /
sudo kextcache -system-prelinked-kernel
sudo kextcache -system-caches


Restart and try then.

Thanks for the tip, I'll give it a shot shortly.

Not sure if it's relevant, but it seems it's only an issue when opening from clamshell sleep. When it's just asleep sitting open, pressing a key wakes it almost instantly.

tbobmccoy
Jul 23, 2011, 08:22 PM
My other weird problem with the "instant on" is that when I close the lid and sleep my MBA, when I resume in safari, my scrolling becomes jittery in the browser (tried it with firefox and the same thing happens). I have to restart the Mac to restore the smooth scrolling... anyone have an idea what might be wrong? :confused:

revelated
Jul 23, 2011, 08:32 PM
What I noticed is a delay after a hibernate. It's the same delay I noticed on my Intel SSD when it would wake up, in my MacBook Pro. That delay isn't there with the Samsung 470 that's in there now. What happens is, it takes a while for the screen to show, then it takes a bit for the mouse and keyboard to respond.

That said I'm wondering if the type of SSD you have in your Air affects your experience. Mine I believe is not a Samsung SSD.

Jamooche
Jul 23, 2011, 08:33 PM
It takes about 2-3 seconds for my 13" i5 with Lion to turn on and everything is super fast and smooth - no jitter at all.

Ridiculously, the only thing I have to compare is my 2009 i7 Dell that takes 15+min to startup, so to me it's INSTANT on. It's all relative.

robby818
Jul 23, 2011, 08:38 PM
Post-Lion my 2010 13" MBA seems a little laggy. The slightly slow wake up and sleep is one symptom that has been bothering me since the upgrade. I "think" things are getting better as the system settles down, but that could also just be me getting used to the lagginess.

I remember when I first got my MBA with Snow Leopard last Fall, it was very responsive. The way it behaves now reminds me of the days when I installed upgrades on Windows. The performance degradation was so obvious that I vowed to always do clean installs of Windows.

newdeal
Jul 23, 2011, 09:53 PM
My imac i never put to sleep just the display sleeps but for some reason in lion to get the display to wake i need to click the mouse instead of just moving it. Also my magicjack crashes multiple times a day which is very irritating. It seems more developers dont update their software during the beta period than those that do

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 09:56 PM
My imac i never put to sleep just the display sleeps but for some reason in lion to get the display to wake i need to click the mouse instead of just moving it. Also my magicjack crashes multiple times a day which is very irritating. It seems more developers dont update their software during the beta period than those that do

Yeah I have that issue too, I used to be able to move my mouse and wake the computer, not anymore :-(

striker33
Jul 23, 2011, 09:57 PM
It's not a hardware issue, it's Lion.

Apple may have slapped a "GM" tag on it, but its still very much a paid beta.

Expect the issues to be fixed in 10.7.1, and I'd imagine they'll be pretty quick with releasing it.

Tbh the main bug I'm bothered about is being able to disable four finger swipe for spaces again :(

striker33
Jul 23, 2011, 09:59 PM
Yeah I have that issue too, I used to be able to move my mouse and wake the computer, not anymore :-(

I'm actually grateful for this. Used to hate nudging my desk just a tiny bit and my Mac screen would wake.

Would be useful if they added an option to toggle it on and off though.

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 10:00 PM
I'm actually grateful for this. Used to hate nudging my desk just a tiny bit and my Mac screen would wake.

Would be useful if they added an option to toggle it on and off though.

Yeah, such an easy thing to add.

Kerber0s34
Jul 23, 2011, 10:55 PM
I have a 2010 13" MBA with Lion installed. Mine wakes from sleep in only a second or two - basically by the time I open the lid and get my hands on the keyboard, its ready to go.

What are you guys doing in such a hurry that 4 seconds is too long? Are zombies breaking down your door, and you need to post your will on Facebook?

Slow down, stop and smell the roses!

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 10:57 PM
I have a 2010 13" MBA with Lion installed. Mine wakes from sleep in only a second or two - basically by the time I open the lid and get my hands on the keyboard, its ready to go.

What are you guys doing in such a hurry that 4 seconds is too long? Are zombies breaking down your door, and you need to post your will on Facebook?

Slow down, stop and smell the roses!

yeah the 2010 models worked fine.

nvcplus
Jul 23, 2011, 11:45 PM
Is everyone using password on theirs? I am, and I have this problem.

I haven't tried myself yet, but I wonder if it wakes faster if it is just going to your desktop.

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 11:46 PM
Is everyone using password on theirs? I am, and I have this problem.

I haven't tried myself yet, but I wonder if it wakes faster if it is just going to your desktop.

I use a password.

oripaamoni
Jul 23, 2011, 11:47 PM
same issue here on my 2011 11". My buddy has a 2010 11" and wake is instant on 10.6!

getyup
Jul 23, 2011, 11:48 PM
same issue here on my 2011 11". My buddy has a 2010 11" and wake is instant on 10.6!

I definitely think it has to do with the 2011 model. My 2010 with the same specs woke fine, even with Lion

drxcm
Jul 24, 2011, 01:44 AM
I definitely think it has to do with the 2011 model. My 2010 with the same specs woke fine, even with Lion

Actually I think its Lion.

My 2010 11" was fast before installing Lion, and now wake-from-sleep is 5-6 seconds before mouse becomes useable.

jomo25
Jul 24, 2011, 01:58 AM
OK, I just tried on my '10 MBA 11" with 2GB mem. I have Lion on it now.

From clamshell sleep, it took less than 1.5 seconds for screen to turn on and my trackpad was responsive the instant the screen was on.

It was the same when I had SL installed. So, it's not Lion.

getyup
Jul 24, 2011, 02:00 AM
OK, I just tried on my '10 MBA 11" with 2GB mem. I have Lion on it now.

From clamshell sleep, it took less than 1.5 seconds for screen to turn on and my trackpad was responsive the instant the screen was on.

It was the same when I had SL installed. So, it's not Lion.

Not to be rude, but several people including myself have said this. It's the 2011 model.

jomo25
Jul 24, 2011, 02:03 AM
Not to be rude, but several people including myself have said this. It's the 2011 model.
Yes, I know. But other posts, like the one right before mine, were still was claiming Lion as the culprit. So, I was posting my experience as evidence to the contrary.

getyup
Jul 24, 2011, 02:06 AM
Yes, I know. But other posts, like the one right before mine, were still was claiming Lion as the culprit. So, I was posting my experience as evidence to the contrary.

O sorry... i agree w\ u, it's not lion.

iAAPL
Jul 24, 2011, 02:08 AM
On the bright side, sleep occurs much faster :). On my iMac in 10.6, I would press the power button and it would take 3-4 seconds for the screen to shut off. In Lion, the screen goes dark instantly, and is actually asleep 1-2 seconds later.

2IS
Jul 24, 2011, 02:08 AM
Just adding my 2 cents.

Times from opening of the lid to the time screen comes on...

1-2 Seconds: My 2010\128\4GB MBA 11" running Snow Leopard
4-7 Seconds: My 2011\128\4GB MBA 11" running Lion

Something definitely is different with these new models, unsure if it's Lion (as I'd installed Lion on my old model but didn't have it on for more than a day before upgrading to 2011 model, so unsure).... or the difference in hardware is causing the delay.

Either way, in best case scenarios, 4 seconds is what I'm getting, and that's certainly not "instant on" in any sense of the phrase.

Hopefully Apple will release an update to resolve this.

It's Lion IMO. I've got the 2010 model and it takes longer to resume under Lion than under SL.

getyup
Jul 24, 2011, 02:09 AM
The other thing I notice is the lights on the keyboard seem really erratic, and the computer sometimes wakes randomly from sleep even with wifi off, lol

jomo25
Jul 24, 2011, 02:15 AM
It's Lion IMO. I've got the 2010 model and it takes longer to resume under Lion than under SL.
Odd, cuz as I mentioned above, mine wakes just as fast under Lion as it did previously under SL. Heck, I'd almost say it's even faster. It really is instant for me. I have the 11" with only 2GB and 64 GB SSD. And yes, its the older SSD. (Mentioning this in case we want to do comparisons of configs among the different experiences.)

great high wolf
Jul 24, 2011, 02:23 AM
My 2011 MBA is instant to resume to an unlock screen for the first couple of hours after I put it to sleep. In the morning, after it's been asleep all night, though, it takes about 5-10 seconds. My guess is that it's going into some kind of serious low-power state that it's taking a couple of seconds extra to get out of.

No-Me
Aug 16, 2011, 06:35 PM
\o/

10.7.1 brought it back on my 2010 11" Air :)

Jamooche
Aug 16, 2011, 06:56 PM
\o/

10.7.1 brought it back on my 2010 11" Air :)

I already thought my 2011 13" Air had fast instant on, but I was mistaken. With 10.7.1 it's even faster! By about 2 seconds!

redbotsoftware
Aug 16, 2011, 07:02 PM
It must have to do with the speed of the solid state drive?

I have a Macbook 2008, with a SSD, & Lion. From sleep, lid closed, it's about a second or less for the instant on. But then I don't have a password lock screen.