Tiger Available April 29th

[MacRumors]

According to the new layout at http://www.Apple.com, Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger and Tiger Server will be officially unleashed on April 29 beginning at 6:00 p.m.during special events at Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers.

Preordering is available, with the price set at $129. Preorders will ship to arrive April 29.

Additionally, a press release (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/apr/12tiger.html) has been made available giving the details of the release.

Pricing & Availability
Mac OS X version 10.4 Tiger will be available on April 29 beginning at 6:00 p.m. at Apple's retail stores and through Apple Authorized Resellers for a suggested retail price of $129 (US) for a single user license. Visitors to the Apple Store (www.apple.com) can pre-order copies of Tiger beginning today. The Mac OS X Tiger Family Pack is a single-residence, five-user license that will be available for a suggested retail price of $199 (US). Volume and maintenance pricing is available from Apple. The standard Mac OS Up-To-Date upgrade package is available to all customers who purchase a qualifying new Mac system from Apple or an Apple Authorized Reseller on or after April 12 for a shipping and handling fee of $9.95 (US). Tiger requires a minimum of 256MB of memory and is designed to run on any Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G5, G4, or G3 processor and built-in FireWire.

[slightly]

I just realised this date is no good. It clashes with the opening of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (http://hitchhikers.movies.go.com/). Apple, can we re-schedule?

:)

[arcobb]

I just bought! Life is good!!

[iJaz]

At last!
I like the look of Apple's main page, Tiger in the Spotlight! :D

[Goliath]

According to the new layout at Apple.com (http://www.apple.com), Tiger will be officially unleashed on April 29.

That's one down... now when G5 Powerbook???

[liketom]

already orderd mine woooo hooooo

[dsharits]

FINALLY!!!!!! You guys hit it on the head. Tuesday announcement, mid-April, I can't wait. Now comes possibly the worst part, the time between the announcement and the sale. Gimme, gimme, gimme!

[rtdgoldfish]

Anyone see a way to order it on CD-ROM?? My poor iBook G3 doesn't have a DVD drive. Gonna get a DVD copy for my Mini though.

[Yvan256]

No indication if Tiger will be a free/low-cost upgrade for Mac mini purchasers!

Or even if there's a few weeks/months period for a free/low-cost upgrade!!

This also means NO NEW PRODUCTS for AT LEAST 3 weeks!!!

More exclamation points!!!!

No Tiger announcement for Canadians (http://www.apple.com/ca/)!!!!!

The "Tiger Frequently Asked Questions" link doesn't work!!!!!!

[AoWolf]

I really hope they do a night of tiger at the apple stores. I think I heard some where that if you bought panther at the apple store that night it was cheeper.

[Sutekidane]

I preordered mine as well, with edu discount.

[Object-X]

Great way to start the day! :)

[JRM PowerPod]

No indication if Tiger will be a free/low-cost upgrade for Mac mini purchasers!

Or even if there's a few weeks/months period for a free/low-cost upgrade!!

This also means NO NEW PRODUCTS for AT LEAST 3 weeks!!!

More exclamation points!!!!

Not necessarily. coz if they announce new PM's next week they probably will not ship until then anyway. All is good. All is good. Hopefully my Tiger arrives early!! But then again on time would be suffice

[JeDiBoYTJ]

if you read the press release, you would learn that yes, they are doing a 'night of tiger' on Friday, April 27th, at 6PM, at all Apple Retail Stores, and Authorized Stores.

I dont know if the purchase is cheaper if you buy that night... all I know is FREE SHIPPING + EDU discount on website = :D :D :D

[dicklacara]

Let the games begin...

What is of interest to me is when/how the story was released.

Below is the order (as near as I can tell) of who released the story (as an aside, someone on another thread said I was wrong when I posted that the Tiger release would be news in the "Traditional" Media).

1) 02:41 PST Reuters News Service
2) 05:02 PST CNN
3) 05:18:PST Apple OS X Page
4) 05:20 PST Apple Home Page
5) 06:02 PST MacWorld
7) 0615: PST MacOSXRumors
8) 06:20 PST MacsimumNews
9) 06:40 PST MacRumors

As of 6:40 PST, no story on:

MacUser
ThinkSecret
slaskdot
AppleInsider
MacNewsBytes

So, the first 2 sources were "Traditional" Media... and they had the information at least an hour before any of the specialized rumor sites.

Neener, Neener, Neener!

[tamtam]

Ordered my copy.... let's go Apple!!!

[kaltsasa]

I wonder if the Mac mini will get a slight video upgrade then, since the Core Image compatable cards are listed as such.

Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

* ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
* ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
* nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
* nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
* nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL

And I would hope that when Tiger is shipping on a brand new Mac, that brand new Mac would support the OS's technology. Even if not. Mac mini here I come, the ol G4 300 is lagging.

[Chaszmyr]

The black background is really a shocking change. It looks pretty decent, and it makes Tiger seem really important. Too bad it totally clashes with the tab bar on top...

[mk_in_mke]

Steve jobs promised and delivered... The best engineers are at Apple, I don't doubt it one second!!! The most important thing for me is the 64 bits processing... I love the OS X, I love Apple machines but all the niceties in the applications are just OK for me...

I use a dualie 2.5 G5 + 4 Gb RAM + Ultra DDL... a pretty nice set but: what will 64 bits really bring to me? can someone be kind enough and explain what are the gains i am going to get.

I do a lot of Photoshop / FCP / DVD SP...

Thanks so much guys...

[dicklacara]

Anyone see a way to order it on CD-ROM?? My poor iBook G3 doesn't have a DVD drive. Gonna get a DVD copy for my Mini though.

No CDs, but you can install from another computer if both have FireWire

[KevinHoctor]

This is on the Apple Tiger Upgrade page at the bottom:

Running Mac OS X v10.3 Panther or Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar? Don’t have a cow — see how Tiger will take your Mac to the next level.

Is that a jab at Longhorn or what?!?! :D

[iZac]

i bought a Mac mini on the 30th of March, do you think that i would get a Rebate on tiger?

i just answered my own question, thats a big 'NO'

*sad face*

[SweetFeet]

This better not be the only announcements in April - FCPHD5 and hopefully the new G5s on Monday at NAB. I've got $4G burning a hole in my pocket.

[cdamian]

when I do a new install, do I have to buy iLife to get iPhoto?

[Bear]

when I do a new install, do I have to buy iLife to get iPhoto?If you don't have the latest version of iPhoto, you will need to buy the latest iLife to get it.

[SilentPanda]

Yay! *does the happy panda dance more*

I guess mines already ordered since I'm a student developer... wheeee! :D

[Sharewaredemon]

No indication if Tiger will be a free/low-cost upgrade for Mac mini purchasers!

Or even if there's a few weeks/months period for a free/low-cost upgrade!!

This also means NO NEW PRODUCTS for AT LEAST 3 weeks!!!

More exclamation points!!!!

No Tiger announcement for Canadians (http://www.apple.com/ca/)!!!!!

The "Tiger Frequently Asked Questions" link doesn't work!!!!!!

Not on the main page, no but the store.... YES!

[Stella]

Why would Tiger be offered at a discount for Mac Mini owners?


No indication if Tiger will be a free/low-cost upgrade for Mac mini purchasers!

Or even if there's a few weeks/months period for a free/low-cost upgrade!!

This also means NO NEW PRODUCTS for AT LEAST 3 weeks!!!

More exclamation points!!!!

No Tiger announcement for Canadians (http://www.apple.com/ca/)!!!!!

The "Tiger Frequently Asked Questions" link doesn't work!!!!!!

[wordmunger]

Really? It's incredible! I've been waiting for this my whole life! Finally, finally, I got first comment on something!

Oh, Tiger? Yeah, that's exciting too, I guess....

Edit: I just realised this date is no good. It clashes with the opening of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (http://hitchhikers.movies.go.com/). Apple, can we re-schedule?

:)

Interesting. Especially since (as I noted on the other thread), the "Automator" robot looks suspiciously like Marvin the Robot. (though this ad says May 6)

http://images.apple.com/macosx/features/automator/images/indextop20050412.jpg

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/579/579545/hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-the-20050113043117430.jpg

[Yvan256]

Not necessarily. coz if they announce new PM's next week they probably will not ship until then anyway. All is good. All is good. Hopefully my Tiger arrives early!! But then again on time would be suffice

In my opinion it does indeed absolutely really means nothing else new for about 3 weeks.

Think about it. Would they put a "17 days until Tiger" counter on the front page, only to put it in a small box if something else came out? Would they put "PowerMac Quad G5" in a small box, also?

Apple seems to always only have one big announcement for their front page at a time. In my book this means nothing new for 3 weeks. Which also means that by then it should be the PowerMac Quad G5, which also means no iBook updates for at least 6 to 10 weeks.

Still hanging in there for an iBook mini, though. :D

[iGary]

Pr-ordered mine for April 29th delivery.

I usually like to go to the events, but my local Apple Store will not honor education discounts on software. $69.00 versus $129.00 didn't require much thought. ;)

[chaos86]

based on the new look of apple.com we may have a new version of the (much hated) brushed metal look coming with tiger.

[crap freakboy]

At least that'll stop the "Wheres Tiger?" threads.
Now for myself I just need a new G5 to run it.

[azdude]

I truly can't contain my excitement! Yahoooo! Order placed.

By the way, this page is awesome, and shows several things not announced elsewhere: http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html

Example: It's officially Apple Graphing Calculator

[Bear]

Anyone see a way to order it on CD-ROM?? My poor iBook G3 doesn't have a DVD drive. Gonna get a DVD copy for my Mini though.On the right hand side of theMac OS X Upgrade (http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/) page, there is a box labeled "Media Exchange Program" with a link to a PDF that explains how to get a copy of the CDs.

[mus0r]

Too bad I got my G5 3 weeks ago...the up to date program starts today...lame :(

[MacPhreak]

Does anyone with a Pismo notice a problem with the requirements? Looks like "built-in Firewire" is a requirement this time, and the old clamshell iBook SE's are listed as supported, but the more advanced Pismo is not. What gives?

http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html

And how am I supposed to get Tiger on my G3/800 iBook w/CD-ROM drive?

I hate having old technology...Steve seems to think we're all made of $$$.

[Platform]

Finally :D :D :D

It's coming, now what about some new HW like PM's and iMac's :rolleyes:

[w00tmaster]

Briefing through the developer's page I do notice that in XCode 2 there will be code sense for Java, BUT it will only include "the latests Java 2 platform" meaning No Java(5/1.5 whatever you want to call it) for at least another month....

[cgc]

Just bought my copy of Tiger at the Educational price of $69 with no s/h. Woohoohoo!

[oldMac]

i bought a Mac mini on the 30th of March, do you think that i would get a Rebate on tiger?

I called the Apple store - I'm waiting on a Mac Mini order that I placed last week - to see if I was going to get Tiger (since I just bought and my order hasn't shipped.)

The girl on the phone told me that my Mini would probably not ship with Tiger, but that I will be able to purchase the "Mac OS X Tiger - up to date" program for $9.95.

I hope this is correct, since my order hasn't shipped. Though, if you listen to the phone message regarding such things, it says that those who purchase on or after April 12th are eligible for the discounted "up to date" program.

In the past, I believe they've extended this back 15 or 30 days if you bother them about it.

[Fredstar]

The new Quicktime's of all the apps are kewl online.
I have ordered a copy but i hope i get a discount off it because our family Mini is coming this friday :(, shipped last friday

[mainstreetmark]

FINALLY!

I've been holding off on a wipe of the harddrive and a complete new install until Tiger came around. I'll be curious to see if i like Spotlight, as K has been pissing me off recently (the widgets keep moving around or not loading).

And it'd be nice to be able to chat with 3 people at once, although I still haven't actually had a chat with 1 yet. Video chat may not be as wanted as everyone wants it to be. The folks at Ojo better be ready.

Tiger. Tiger. Tiger.

(Oh, I think I'll go see Hitchhikers Guide, and swing by the Apple store on the same day).

[chubad]

Think Seceret is reporting new G-5 Power Macs to be announced at NAB.
Also no G-5 Powerbooks in 2005.
So no "New G-5 Powerbooks next Tuesday" posts until next year.

[Skiniftz]

Preordered.

[Chaszmyr]

This is on the Apple Tiger Upgrade page at the bottom:

Running Mac OS X v10.3 Panther or Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar? Don’t have a cow — see how Tiger will take your Mac to the next level.

Is that a jab at Longhorn or what?!?! :D

When I read that line on the webpage I was like "what the heck? That seems like a really weird thing to say," but I think you're right, I think it's a jab at Longhorn.

[AidenShaw]

The most important thing for me is the 64 bits processing...

but: what will 64 bits really bring to me? ...


It's the most important thing for you, yet you don't know what it does?


First of all, the new 64-bit addressing won't help you since you only 4 GiB of RAM. The main thing that 64-bit addressing does is allow a *single* program to use more than 4 GiB.

Second, 10.4's 64-bit implementation is a partial implementation that is mainly available to command line terminal apps. No Cocoa/Carbon apps, no GUI apps.

For an applicaiton like Photoshop or video to use 64-bit addressing, it would have to be rewritten as a "client-server" app, with a 32-bit GUI talking to a separate 64-bit work piece. Ain't gonna happen, IMO.

The need for 64-bit on the desktop isn't that great, and the need for a lame terminal-only implementation is almost zero on the desktop.

The supercomputer clusters will like 10.4's 64-bit addressing, though....

[iGary]

Finally :D :D :D

It's coming, now what about some new HW like PM's and iMac's :rolleyes:

NAB (unlikely) or WWDC (likely).

[jcshas]

Finally! I was starting to grow tired of seeing the iPod's on the Apple.com home page :D

[sonyrules]

BRING IT APPLE!!!!!!

Got my family pack ordered.......

[AidenShaw]

The most important thing for me is the 64 bits processing...

but: what will 64 bits really bring to me? ...


It's the most important thing for you, yet you don't know what it does? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


First of all, the new 64-bit addressing won't help you since you only have 4 GiB of RAM. The main thing that 64-bit addressing does is allow a *single* program to use more than 4 GiB.

Second, 10.4's 64-bit implementation is a partial implementation that is mainly available to command line terminal apps. No Cocoa/Carbon apps, no GUI apps.

For an application like Photoshop or video to use 64-bit addressing, it would have to be rewritten as a "client-server" app, with a 32-bit GUI talking to a separate 64-bit work piece. Ain't gonna happen, IMO.

The need for 64-bit on the desktop isn't that great, and the need for a lame terminal-only implementation is almost zero on the desktop.

The supercomputer clusters will like 10.4's 64-bit addressing, though....

[aafuss1]

I'm very relieved Apple will ship Tiger by the end of this month. Also, will a version of QT7 for Windows be released in the next few months?

[Jonx]

can we buy it from local apple store on april 29th?

[Object-X]

Anyone see a way to order it on CD-ROM?? My poor iBook G3 doesn't have a DVD drive. Gonna get a DVD copy for my Mini though.

They have a media exchange program for $9.95. Download the

order form (http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/tigermediaexchange.pdf) here.

[chubad]

I wonder when the in store launch will be announced?
Any guesses for swag?
A keychain furry tiger tail? Clip on Tiger ears? :D

[lem0nayde]

Hi there. Does anyone know from purchasing Panther if there is any benefit to buying the Family Pack? I mean, in addition to the wonderful feeling you get from being honest. Will the single pack NOT allow me to install it on more than one Mac (Panther does allow it.)

I don't mean to be controversial, but I don't have lots of money to blow and I'm wondering if it is worth it (I only have 2 macs.)

Thanks,
Joe

[Yvan256]

This better not be the only announcements in April - FCPHD5 and hopefully the new G5s on Monday at NAB. I've got $4G burning a hole in my pocket.

Four GILLION dollars?!

Hello, Dr. Evil!

Wanna buy me a PowerMac Quad G5 and a 12" PowerBook? :D

[SweetFeet]

In my opinion it does indeed absolutely really means nothing else new for about 3 weeks:D

It's common knowledge that FCPHD5 will be in Vegas at NAB on Monday.

[azdude]

Hah...

"Choose from a collection of stunning new desktop pictures, including a vibrant new default desktop created exclusively for Mac OS X Tiger users."

Happy, MR Whiners?

[Object-X]

based on the new look of apple.com we may have a new version of the (much hated) brushed metal look coming with tiger.

I personaly like the brushed metal look. I even use Ape manager and Metalifizer to apply it to all my apps. Probably wont work initially with Tiger though :( I wonder how many other apps we'll have to wait for upgrades too before they work with Tiger?

[Yvan256]

Hi there. Does anyone know from purchasing Panther if there is any benefit to buying the Family Pack? I mean, in addition to the wonderful feeling you get from being honest. Will the single pack NOT allow me to install it on more than one Mac (Panther does allow it.)

I don't mean to be controversial, but I don't have lots of money to blow and I'm wondering if it is worth it (I only have 2 macs.)

Thanks,
Joe

Single license: 129$US
Family pack: 199$US

Even with only two computers, it's cheaper to go that route.

[Archmagination]

Great news... but STUPID APPLE!! They changed the GPU specs required for Core Video!! 9800 XT if I remember correctly is that special 256mb Radeon Pro that you could only get if you ordered directly from apple. Here I am bought a 9800 Pro 128mb specifically because it was listed as supporting Core Video and now it doesn't!! Argh!! Other than that I am very excited.

[jjarmoc]

I called the Apple store - I'm waiting on a Mac Mini order that I placed last week - to see if I was going to get Tiger (since I just bought and my order hasn't shipped.)

The girl on the phone told me that my Mini would probably not ship with Tiger, but that I will be able to purchase the "Mac OS X Tiger - up to date" program for $9.95.

I hope this is correct, since my order hasn't shipped. Though, if you listen to the phone message regarding such things, it says that those who purchase on or after April 12th are eligible for the discounted "up to date" program.

In the past, I believe they've extended this back 15 or 30 days if you bother them about it.


I hope to hell they extend it back a bit. I ordered a new mac mini in late March and was given an April 15th ship date, so I didn't figure I'd have any trouble qualifying. Well, it shipped YESTERDAY! I still don't have it of course, but I don't think it technically qualifies for the up-to-date program. We'll see what I can get them to do for me..

[zagato27]

Went to the Apple store site and found Tiger w/ EDU discount. I've got a G5 and an iBook (both running Panther) and will probably be getting a Mac Mini plus another iBook or another Mac Mini. Bottom line, I'll have 4 Macs pretty soon two of which might come with Tiger but two that don't. I want to upgrade and I guess the best way would be the Family pack with 5 licenses. Apple has the single user for $69 but couldn't find the Family pack with EDU discount. Anyone know if you can purchase the Family pack with EDU discount? Thanks

[chubad]

The Apple Store Event is at 6:00 PM Friday April 29th. Be there! :D

[live4ever]

I wonder if the Mac mini will get a slight video upgrade then, since the Core Image compatable cards are listed as such.

Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

* ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
* ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
* nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
* nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
* nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL

And I would hope that when Tiger is shipping on a brand new Mac, that brand new Mac would support the OS's technology. Even if not. Mac mini here I come, the ol G4 300 is lagging.

Hmmm, no ATI Mobility Radeon 9600 mentioned - I could have sworn I saw it there before.

[anjaki]

relieved

[iAlan]

I will be in the US on business for 13 days from Sunday April 17 for ...yep, that's right, I will be leaving on Friday April 29th, 11.00 am from Kennedy airport to be exact, and in mid-air when TIGER is out - will miss the launch in the US and back home in Japan.

I hope Apple has some event from midnight Thursday then I could load up my carry-on with a nice new TIGER box and flash it while smiling my way through customs...

Anyway, good news no matter when I will actually get my hands on it...

[aethier]

for all the people who were asking in previous threads. tiger does have a new backround pictures, you see it in the spotlight page (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/spotlight/) it looks pretty nice.

i am quite excited. time to go preorder

[fixyourthinking]

Tiger requires a minimum of 256MB of memory and is designed to run on any Macintosh computer with a PowerPC G5, G4, or G3 processor and built-in FireWire.

The slot load iMac 350 G3 just had USB, but the PowerMac 350 G3 had firewire and was based on the same motherboard and had the same G3 chip.

Wonder if they will base the install on a ROM/ID check?

[Hydra]

Great news... but STUPID APPLE!! They changed the GPU specs required for Core Video!! 9800 XT if I remember correctly is that special 256mb Radeon Pro that you could only get if you ordered directly from apple. Here I am bought a 9800 Pro 128mb specifically because it was listed as supporting Core Video and now it doesn't!! Argh!! Other than that I am very excited.
It'll work, it's the same card.
Basically any "DX9 capable" card can do all the new stuff.

[Bern]

Take a look at the Tech Specs for Tiger:-
http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/

Listed in included software is only iTunes, there is no other iLife applications listed.

Does that mean we have to buy iLife '05 seperately? Will we be able to install it from our original installations discs that came with our Macs? (I have the Rev D PowerBook and iLife '05 is on it's disc)

[adamfilip]

My preorder is in :)

Cant wait.. they better deliver it by the 29th!

[kretzy]

I hope to hell they extend it back a bit. I ordered a new mac mini in late March and was given an April 15th ship date, so I didn't figure I'd have any trouble qualifying. Well, it shipped YESTERDAY! I still don't have it of course, but I don't think it technically qualifies for the up-to-date program. We'll see what I can get them to do for me..

I'm in the same boat as you. I ordered a PB on Friday (8/4), it was supposed to ship today, but I just received an email saying that the shipping date has changed to 20/04 :eek: Does this mean I should expect to get Tiger?

[Object-X]

can we buy it from local apple store on april 29th?

They will have a midnight sale like last time.

[Rovias]

Now where can I pre-order it the cheapest? :D

[aethier]

Hah...

"Choose from a collection of stunning new desktop pictures, including a vibrant new default desktop created exclusively for Mac OS X Tiger users."

Happy, MR Whiners?

damnit, somebody allways beats me to what i have to say... :(

[nightdweller25]

OMG, I cannot believe it, ok, I was certain it was going to be released but i had no facts to back it up, it was jsut my gut tellign my, and i was right! :D :cool:

[caveman_uk]

Considering how badly Apple UK screwed up the Panther pre-orders deliveries I don't think I'll be pre-ordering. :rolleyes: In fact I'll wait a bit and let you lot find all the bugs for me.... ;)

[mattc]

Will it be available in Australia on April 29th???

[chaos86]

i should know this but...
where do you find out what video card you have? is it in system profiler?

[chibianh]

so what makes the FX5200 Core image compatable but not the Radeon 9800 Pro?

[SPUY767]

the ol G4 300 is lagging.

Gimme some of what you're smokin! Apple never produced a G4 below 450 MHz so you must have a G3 or be hittin the ol' pipe.

[grouse]

Tiger's being released on the same day at the Hitchhikers Guide 2tg as a movie tie in, it's obvious. Have you seen the resemblance of the new Marvin (the paranoid android) and the Automator logo in Tiger?

"Brain the size of a 64-bit dual processor savvy modern operating system and they make me do drop shadows"

[Chappers]

UK Apple page still set on iPods.

[joeboy_45101]

HOT DAMN YES!

I just placed an order for mine at $69 with free shipping. EDU discount rocks.

;-joe

[eji]

It's good that 10.4 is finally announced. I had gotten a bit sick of drumming my fingers waiting for Apple to highlight something besides iPods.

But the announcement might not be able to overshadow the fact that Intel has begun shipping dual-core x86 processors (http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3496926). This leaves Apple with a shiny new 64-bit OS running on passé hardware -- unless, of course, they announce the dual-core Quad PowerMac G5 at NAB, which some posts earlier than mine say is unlikely due to the "three week rule" of Apple.com front page highlights, though ThinkSecret suggests otherwise (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0504g5.html).

[kurtster]

Anyone know how long it will take for the Japanese version to come out?

[tliptak]

Core Image-capable graphics cards include:

* ATI Mobility Radeon 9700
* ATI Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XT
* nVidia GeForce FX Go 5200
* nVidia GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
* nVidia GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL


nVidia Geforce FX go5200 is supported but my ATi Mobility 9600 isnt. You gotta be kidding me.

Hopefully that isnt a full list.

[kaltsasa]

Gimme some of what you're smokin! Apple never produced a G4 below 450 MHz so you must have a G3 or be hittin the ol' pipe.


Actually Apple never produced a G4 under 350, the original G4's came in 350, 400, and 400 models. Regardless I have a B&W G3 with a 350 MHZ Daystar Digital G4 Upgrade(I must have missed the 5 and hit a 0 when I originally typed that).

[Blackheart]

Yipeeeeeeeeee!

[iGary]

Wonder how long Konfabulator will last... :eek:

[dubbz]

I'm dissapointed in the norwegian Apple Store. There's no huge Tiger announcement on the frontpage. They've hidden it away on the Store Page. Bleh :p

Can't afford it atm, but I think I'll order it when I get the money for my PC :D

[Montserrat]

The price on the UK store is £89. I was sure that it was £99 for previous OS's.

There are just so many cool things to say that I'm going to have to take a cold shower and post later...

[mxpiazza]

link to the Tiger up-to-date program for those who just bought a copy of Panther or a new computer:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

they claim its for if you buy/bought panther or a new computer on or after April 12th... Apple issued me a replacement laptop a little over 2 weeks ago, and i put in that info and the serial number with a sale date of April 12, and it approved me for the up-to-date program, with a media cost of $9.99 (did the same thing last year for panther, it's not the retail box, just comes in a padded manilla envelope with the media DVD).

i would say its worth it to try for anyone who has bought a computer/panther over the past month, it obviously wouldnt hurt to try.

[isgoed]

Gimme some of what you're smokin! Apple never produced a G4 below 450 MHz so you must have a G3 or be hittin the ol' pipe.
If i am correctly the first G4 powerbook was 400mhz.
I'm in the same boat as you. I ordered a PB on Friday (8/4), it was supposed to ship today, but I just received an email saying that the shipping date has changed to 20/04 Does this mean I should expect to get Tiger?Hopefully your powerbook also sees some minor hardware improvements. Tiger preloaded would be likely.

It's the most important thing for you, yet you don't know what it does?


First of all, the new 64-bit addressing won't help you since you only have 4 GiB of RAM. The main thing that 64-bit addressing does is allow a *single* program to use more than 4 GiB.

Second, 10.4's 64-bit implementation is a partial implementation that is mainly available to command line terminal apps. No Cocoa/Carbon apps, no GUI apps.

For an application like Photoshop or video to use 64-bit addressing, it would have to be rewritten as a "client-server" app, with a 32-bit GUI talking to a separate 64-bit work piece. Ain't gonna happen, IMO.

The need for 64-bit on the desktop isn't that great, and the need for a lame terminal-only implementation is almost zero on the desktop.

The supercomputer clusters will like 10.4's 64-bit addressing, though....Ah. AidenShaw. You can always count on him when the 64bit myth must be debuked. I lik your avatar btw. Is it your cat?

[bpd115]

Take a look at the Tech Specs for Tiger:-
http://www.apple.com/macosx/techspecs/

Listed in included software is only iTunes, there is no other iLife applications listed.

Does that mean we have to buy iLife '05 seperately? Will we be able to install it from our original installations discs that came with our Macs? (I have the Rev D PowerBook and iLife '05 is on it's disc)


Yes, and Yes.

[dicklacara]

Anyone found any info on how to get a QuickTime 7 upgrade to QuickTime 7 Pro?

I am an ADC member & have the prerelease of QT7.

I also have QT6 Pro,

The QT6 Pro Serial no longer works for QT7.

I can't find any info anywhere on Apple's site.

[puuukeey]

now I have a question for you multiplatforming fools. why would apple go neener neener at longhorn a year ahead of release? doesn't that just give microsoft time to come back with something? are they THAT slow and beurocratic? I'm scared.

[aussie_geek]

Will it be available in Australia on April 29th???

I hope it will be available on the 29th. I doubt it though, considering it will be the 29th here before the US (time difference). I reakon it will be available 30th - in the morning. I will ring the AppleCentre tomorrow and find out,

aussie_geek

[kretzy]

[QUOTE=isgoed]
Hopefully your powerbook also sees some minor hardware improvements. Tiger preloaded would be likely.
QUOTE]

Oh really that would be awesome! :D What sort of hardware improvements should i be expecting?

[redAPPLE]

based on the new look of apple.com we may have a new version of the (much hated) brushed metal look coming with tiger.

tiger has no brushed metal finish.

[DakotaGuy]

nVidia Geforce FX go5200 is supported but my ATi Mobility 9600 isnt. You gotta be kidding me.

Hopefully that isnt a full list.

I hear you there. The old Tiger site said both the Mobility 9600 and 9700 were supported and now they took off the 9600. I will assume however if a 9700 Mobility can run it so can a 9600 Mobility. I guess we will see. Does anyone out there know the deal on this? I was all pumped about having 2 completely compatible computers ready for Tiger and now it looks like my Powerbook does not have full support from Apple's site. I also noticed that no Powerbook G3's are supported, but old toliet seat iBooks are??? Very strange indeed, but if you go to the supported computers list, Pismo is gone.

[AidenShaw]

Ah. AidenShaw. You can always count on him when the 64bit myth must be debuked. I lik your avatar btw. Is it your cat?

"Debuked" - I like that, kind of a cross between "debunk" and "puke".

I can't wait for the people who will claim that 10.4 makes a G3 and G4 into 64-bit machines....

The cat isn't mine, but is very similar. Maine Coon - big, furry, friendly, smart....

[Jaffa Cake]

tiger has no brushed metal finish.It's still there in some shape or form. According to Apple's website... (http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/aquauserinterface.html)

"Known as Aqua, the Mac OS X interface presents title bars with the eye-pleasing look of brushed metal..."

[kwajo.com]

I'm a student developer so mine should be ordered for me :D well I hope, seeing as how my membership expires May 4th, anyone care to speculate if I'll get Tiger or will I have to make sure I renew ;)


anyway, I'm very disappointed that the original iBooks aren't supported anymore, I have one around still that I like to keep up-to-date, but I guess Panther is the end of the line for it :(

also, if you look at these two pages:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html
http://www.apple.com/ca/macosx/upgrade/requirements.html

you'll see they dropped support for the G3 Powerbooks, even though they have Firewire, what's up with that?

[Rick Friele]

Just purchased the academic version for $69. Can't wait!

[F/reW/re]

OSX Tiger, where's iPhoto and iMovie?
What made Panther so guenius is now all gone... Windows gives you a VideoEditing software.. but OS X don't.. :mad:

[Stella]

tiger has no brushed metal finish.

I hope your right, but according to screen shots on tiger preview - Mail and Safari have metal interface.

[atakordie]

Perfect! the release coincides with the last day of exams for my spring semester!!

[mad jew]

Ahh the dilemma this causes... Now I've gotta decide between buying Tiger for my current iBook or just splashing out on a brand spanker with it pre-installed. The ol' 800MHz isn't quite cutting the mustard... And I do love the smell of new Apples.

[drshaws]

They have a media exchange program for $9.95. Download the

order form (http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/tigermediaexchange.pdf) here.

The best part of the media-exchange form is that "Apple recommends that you make a copy of the completed order form, install DVD, and proof-of-purchase for your records." Now, if we're exchanging a DVD for a CD because we have a CD drive, how are we going to copy a DVD? (yes, I know there are ways, but for the average user, this makes no sense).

[aethier]

hehehe..


"sally" doens't have persmission to send emails to "coolstranger@hotmail.com"

i found that funny

[Yvan256]

Tiger's being released on the same day at the Hitchhikers Guide 2tg as a movie tie in, it's obvious. Have you seen the resemblance of the new Marvin (the paranoid android) and the Automator logo in Tiger?

"Brain the size of a 64-bit dual processor savvy modern operating system and they make me do drop shadows"

LOL, funniest remark and comment I've seen in ages. :D

[mithras]

Originally Posted by rtdgoldfish
Anyone see a way to order it on CD-ROM?? My poor iBook G3 doesn't have a DVD drive. Gonna get a DVD copy for my Mini though.
On the right hand side of theMac OS X Upgrade (http://www.apple.com/macosx/upgrade/) page, there is a box labeled "Media Exchange Program" with a link to a PDF that explains how to get a copy of the CDs.

Also, if you have a firewire cable lying around someplace, you can use Firewire Target Mode to install onto the iBook. Just put the iBook in FWTM, attach it to the mini, then boot up the mini with the install DVD. You'll be able to select the iBook drive as your install destination.

[lssmit02]

The family pack is now available on Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007LW1MW/qid%3D1113318736/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/102-1738194-7944953) for preorder, with $50 rebate.

[plinden]

Briefing through the developer's page I do notice that in XCode 2 there will be code sense for Java, BUT it will only include "the latests Java 2 platform" meaning No Java(5/1.5 whatever you want to call it) for at least another month....

I guess I should know this, but isn't SDK 1.5 also Java 2? It's still part of J2SE and J2EE. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp

[jayscheuerle]

Just want to publicly out myself as one of those nay-sayers who was looking to the last day of June (or even later) for the release. Darn thing better be in top shape... I'm sure not ordering it until I hear about everything it breaks...

[bogg]

OSX Tiger, where's iPhoto and iMovie?
What made Panther so guenius is now all gone... Windows gives you a VideoEditing software.. but OS X don't.. :mad:

You high on something?

iMovie and iPhoto have never been a part of OS X, it's a part of iLife.

[iGary]

They will have a midnight sale like last time.

Starts at 6:00 p.m.

[mac-er]

They will have a midnight sale like last time.

Actually, Apple's press release says it will not be released until 6pm on the 29th.

The best option is to order it from Apple.com, and they will ship it so you will get it on Friday (some people will acutally get it earlier depending on how close they live to the distribution center)

[paulypants]

Awesome, now I know why he campus rep program sent me an email last night asking me to confirm my shipping address, however I doubt I will get it by the 29th. Maybe I'll just order a copy anyway...'

Also I see that rendezvous has officially been changed to Bonjour. Ugh.

[mac-er]

The best part of the media-exchange form is that "Apple recommends that you make a copy of the completed order form, install DVD, and proof-of-purchase for your records." Now, if we're exchanging a DVD for a CD because we have a CD drive, how are we going to copy a DVD? (yes, I know there are ways, but for the average user, this makes no sense).

I think that means a photocopy of the face of the DVD. :rolleyes:

[Yvan256]

The price on the UK store is £89. I was sure that it was £99 for previous OS's.

There are just so many cool things to say that I'm going to have to take a cold shower and post later...

Ok, I thought I was crazy, 'cause Tiger is priced 149$CAD and from memory I think it was 179$CAD for the current version (Panther?).

[mac-er]

By the way, everyone asking about iLife and OS X...

Apple is offering a bundle of Tiger, iLife and iWork for $249.
Savings of $117 over buying them seperately at full price, if my "iCalc's" :D are accurate

I'd post a link to the offer information, but Apple Store links time out.

Go to the Apple Store, click the red "Sale" tag, click on "Promos" tab.

[kretzy]

how long before they update all of the other worldwide apple sites. like tiger is available for purchase in the store, but it still hasnt hit the frontpage and all of the new info about it still isnt there.

[MacPhreak]

You high on something?

iMovie and iPhoto have never been a part of OS X, it's a part of iLife.

Yes they have. iLife '04 un-bundled them from OS X. iPhoto 2 (I believe) came w/Panther or Jag or both, don't remember. Same with iMovie. Heck, iMovie was out on OS 9.

[liketom]

Yes they have. iLife '04 un-bundled them from OS X. iPhoto 2 (I believe) came w/Panther or Jag or both, don't remember. Same with iMovie. Heck, iMovie was out on OS 9.

not any more ! anyone think you'd want a free copy of longhorn with it too ?

[bogg]

Yes they have. iLife '04 un-bundled them from OS X. iPhoto 2 (I believe) came w/Panther or Jag or both, don't remember. Same with iMovie. Heck, iMovie was out on OS 9.


My Err, i ofcourse meant in later versions.

Sorry for that ;)

[puckhead193]

I can't wait, i think i'm going to wait a few week until school is out so i don't have to worry about something screwing up

[advocate]

I guess I should know this, but isn't SDK 1.5 also Java 2? It's still part of J2SE and J2EE. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
Quite right. Sun has a history of numbering Java versions in a strange way. Java 1.2 was called Java 2. Java 1.3 was Java 2 version 1.3. Java 1.4 was Java 2 version 1.4, or more specifically, J2SE 1.4, J2EE 1.4, J2ME 1.4 for Standard, Enterprise, Mobile Editions. Now Java 1.5 is being called Java 5 "Tiger" but also J2SE version 5.0, etc. Not to worry, Tiger will have Tiger.

Just a bit too late for me, though. I needed Java 5 (yes, we really needed Java 5 features) between January and April for a development project so I ended up running Eclipse over Remote Desktop to a Windows desktop. Sigh.

[paulypants]

Sweet.

Enhanced Dock Menu

Quickly set an application or document to open automatically when you login to your Mac — straight from the Dock.

[Peace]

I hear you there. The old Tiger site said both the Mobility 9600 and 9700 were supported and now they took off the 9600. I will assume however if a 9700 Mobility can run it so can a 9600 Mobility. I guess we will see. Does anyone out there know the deal on this? I was all pumped about having 2 completely compatible computers ready for Tiger and now it looks like my Powerbook does not have full support from Apple's site. I also noticed that no Powerbook G3's are supported, but old toliet seat iBooks are??? Very strange indeed, but if you go to the supported computers list, Pismo is gone.

I sure hope Tiger supports the mobility 9600.My 15" Powerbook G4 Al. 1 Ghz has the 9600..
That list is probably just a list of some of the most recent/popular cards.

[mac-er]

Improved Performance

Safari 2.0 on Tiger loads pages 1.8 times faster than Safari 1.2 on Panther.

Thank God!

And, appranently will be faster than Firefox in rendering pages...

http://images.apple.com/macosx/features/safari/images/chart-over-02022004-06.gif

[clonenode]

Yes they have. iLife '04 un-bundled them from OS X. iPhoto 2 (I believe) came w/Panther or Jag or both, don't remember. Same with iMovie. Heck, iMovie was out on OS 9.

Well, to be exact, both iMovie and iPhoto were free applications when they were first introduced. iMove came out when OS 9 was still the main OS. It then moved on to becoming an OS X application. And it may have been "bundled" with one of the releases (maybe Jaguar).

iPhoto was never an OS 9 app. And it was also "free" at one time. But with the introduction of "iLife," the current versions became available ONLY in the box for $49. All of this was because of the introduction of iDVD, which could not be downloaded for free.

[tliptak]

I sure hope Tiger supports the mobility 9600.My 15" Powerbook G4 Al. 1 Ghz has the 9600..
That list is probably just a list of some of the most recent/popular cards.


It really should support our cards considering they are more powerful then the go5200 by a good bit.

[broken_keyboard]

This is a cool feature that I have been using but haven't been able to talk about until now:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html
Improved RAID
Use disk utility for software RAID, now including mirrored, striped, concatenated, auto mirror rebuild and block size settings.


Basically it lets you chain all the hard drives in your system together so they look like one big one. They don't have to be the same size, and it doesn't do striping or mirroring or anything, it just makes one big drive out of separate ones.

[Trekkie]

when I do a new install, do I have to buy iLife to get iPhoto?

Yeah I noticed that all iLife applications except iTunes are missing from the list of 'included applications'

not that I am upset about that, I actually think that's a good thing. It comes free with new hardware but you buy it if you have older stuff. The price isn't that bad and I want them to make money off of it so they'll add even more home applications when the opportunity presents itself.

Still don't like the garageband name. Think it should have been something else but I'm not creative enough, it should have been iSomething.

[powerbook911]

I have a question, for those of you who preordered iLife and iWork, from Apple in January for "delivery by" date. Did some of you get them 1 or 2 days early? I'm hoping the same could happen for Tiger!

[Object-X]

Actually, Apple's press release says it will not be released until 6pm on the 29th.

The best option is to order it from Apple.com, and they will ship it so you will get it on Friday (some people will acutally get it earlier depending on how close they live to the distribution center)

LIES! LIES! :mad:

Hmm...maybe online is the way to go this time. Mail arrives at 11:00am. Guess I could return the one I get in the mail if it doesn't arrive on time. :rolleyes:

[mac-er]

When Panther and Jaguar, a lot of people got them 1 or 2 days early.

[liketom]

LIES! LIES! :mad:

Hmm...maybe online is the way to go this time. Mail arrives at 11:00am. Guess I could return the one I get in the mail if it doesn't arrive on time. :rolleyes:
i orderd my copy as soon as the UK store came back up , and i am too hoping they will deliver on the 29th ! if it's late by even 1 day i'm screwed as i'm getting married on the sat 30th and i'm off to New York on the monday ( bank holiday , no post btw)

so if posty is a lazy git on the fri it will be going back and i will pick up my copy at the SOHO Apple store in NY .

cutting it a bit tight

[ipacmm]

cool...just ordered it through the edu store.

[mac-er]

LIES! LIES! :mad:

Hmm...maybe online is the way to go this time. Mail arrives at 11:00am. Guess I could return the one I get in the mail if it doesn't arrive on time. :rolleyes:

I would not put it past some DA CompUSA to put it out as soon as they open on the 29th.

[gekko513]

Awesome, now I know why he campus rep program sent me an email last night asking me to confirm my shipping address, however I doubt I will get it by the 29th. Maybe I'll just order a copy anyway...'

Also I see that rendezvous has officially been changed to Bonjour. Ugh.
I like it: Bonjour (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bonjour/)

[kenaustus]

Went to the Apple store site and found Tiger w/ EDU discount. I've got a G5 and an iBook (both running Panther) and will probably be getting a Mac Mini plus another iBook or another Mac Mini. Bottom line, I'll have 4 Macs pretty soon two of which might come with Tiger but two that don't. I want to upgrade and I guess the best way would be the Family pack with 5 licenses. Apple has the single user for $69 but couldn't find the Family pack with EDU discount. Anyone know if you can purchase the Family pack with EDU discount? Thanks

No Family Pack discounts at this time. I called and a very nice lady even went into their "hidden spots" looking for it. Since I have 5 Macs to update the $40 per Mac was a simple decision. If you can get 2 single copies for $69 each then that would be the cheapest route this time, then go with the family pack when OS X 10.5 comes out.

[mrsebastian]

Improved Performance

Safari 2.0 on Tiger loads pages 1.8 times faster than Safari 1.2 on Panther.

Thank God!

And, appranently will be faster than Firefox in rendering pages...

http://images.apple.com/macosx/features/safari/images/chart-over-02022004-06.gif

i'm with you there! after a certain amount of use, safari has been a real drag. even cleaning out the history and cache, it still never seems to be as good after a fresh install.

[mac-er]

i orderd my copy as soon as the UK store came back up , and i am too hoping they will deliver on the 29th ! if it's late by even 1 day i'm screwed as i'm getting married on the sat 30th and i'm off to New York on the monday ( bank holiday , no post btw)


Congrats! Just make sure your bride-to-be doesn't wear twigs in her hair like Camilla :D

[dicklacara]

This is a cool feature that I have been using but haven't been able to talk about until now:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html
Improved RAID
Use disk utility for software RAID, now including mirrored, striped, concatenated, auto mirror rebuild and block size settings.


Basically it lets you chain all the hard drives in your system together so they look like one big one. They don't have to be the same size, and it doesn't do striping or mirroring or anything, it just makes one big drive out of separate ones.

Mmmmm....


I have the following external FW drivws

LaCie 160 (FW1)
LaCie 200 (FW1)
LaCie ITB (FW1/2)

I saw the RAID opitions in the DiskUtility but haven't used it

Some questions:

1) Does creating a RAID set destroy existing data on the member drives?

2) If not, how are the metadata/content stores maintaineed-- a single store or a store on every member drive?

[emulator]

I'm in the same boat as you. I ordered a PB on Friday (8/4), it was supposed to ship today, but I just received an email saying that the shipping date has changed to 20/04 :eek: Does this mean I should expect to get Tiger?If it hasn't shipped, why don't you just cancel and reorder?

[meta-ghost]

It'll work, it's the same card.
Basically any "DX9 capable" card can do all the new stuff.
say, what about the radeon 8500. ati's website info states DX8.1 support but may be out of date. will the 8500 support it?

[SadSwitcher]

I for one will absolutely not buy Tiger. I'm a switcher who bought a Mac mini last Thursday...just on the wrong side of the Apple Up-To-Date cutoff. Thanks for nothing Apple. I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on.

I don't have thousands of dollars (or hundreds) laying around like many of you it seems. I bought what computer I could afford and don't have the $$ to spend on more software for it at this time. Don't bother saying you don't feel sorry, I'm not asking you to.

One happy customer will tell a few people. One disgruntled customer will climb to the highest mountaintop and scream his displeasure to all. I know which category I'm in.

Now where'd that BitTorrent client go.....

[tangent23]

the australian site has it in a box on the 'software' page, April 29th release date..

http://www.apple.com.au/macosx/

AU$199 single user
AU$299 Family Pack

i'm happy cause i was about to order a mac mini :D

[G4scott]

Can't wait to pick it up at the campus computer store for $20 :D (Good 'ol TAP)

My poor, aging PowerBook won't be able to take advantage of several of the features, but hey, for $20, who's complaining? :p

[kretzy]

If it hasn't shipped, why don't you just cancel and reorder?

Good point! If it comes to that I will, but i'll give apple a call first - and i'll use that as an argument as to why they should just let me upgrade anyway. without the hassel of reordering.

[broken_keyboard]

1) Does creating a RAID set destroy existing data on the member Drives?

Yes, creating a RAID set will destroy the data. Even if it's just a concatenated set.

[lem0nayde]

Hopefully it is just because they haven't updated their system with the new release info -- but I just ordered the family pack from Amazon ($149.00 with rebate, woo hoo) and it says "Delivery estimate: June 20, 2005 - June 22, 2005" ouch. I'll be checking back for an updated estimate...

[skinsfan00atg]

As has been reported, there is a list of cards that support Core Image listed at: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/ . I have been waiting to buy a my first mac, the mac mini until tiger was announced so that I could get the up-to-date program. I now see that the video card the mini ships with, the ATI Radeon 9200 is not listed as able to handle Core Image. Is this correct? I could be stupid, but is Apple marketing a new OS, part of which cant be handled by their new hot product? PLEASE HELP, I WANT TO ORDER MY MINI, but I want to make sure I should. I know there has been rumors of a mini upgrade, but nothing definite, so what should I do.

[broken_keyboard]

I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on.

You paid for Panther and you got Panther. No one ripped you off.

If you paid for Tiger and then didn't receive it you could say you were ripped off, but you didn't.

[mpw]

Ok I’m about to order Tiger for £50 (not the £37 the Americans are getting it for, but that’s another thread) and I’ve already got iLife’04.

Should I upgrade to iLife’05 at the same time (£38) and what about iWork (£33), is it worth upgrading to replace MS Word (Office V.x)? I find Word so slow I’ve taken to using TextEdit and then using Word to format etc.

[Savage Henry]

NAB (unlikely) or WWDC (likely). That's what's niggling me. I wanna get me a v2 iMac and my lady needs an new iBook...... My urges are rising ...!!!! .... WWDC will just be too bleedin late !!!!

[Dagless]

Interestingly Microsoft have announced a 'new' OS quite recently; Microsoft Windows XP N.

The N means it dosnt come with Media Player, supposedly to give other music players a chance. hah. quite pathetic. Media Player is so pants anywho, back in my windows days i was a Winamp guy :cool:

when i got my mac i actually searched for "Winamp for OSX"

[Machead III]

This is all very well but WHERE IN THE STEVE OF JOBS ARE THE IMACS?!

[broken_keyboard]

I now see that the video card the mini ships with, the ATI Radeon 9200 is not listed as able to handle Core Image.

It's a budget computer dude, people don't seem to grasp the implications of that.

[pimentoLoaf]

I one-clicked the pre-order along with TurboTax Deluxe.

Both will ship with an expected delivery of 4/29.

[SadSwitcher]

You paid for Panther and you got Panther. No one ripped you off.

If you paid for Tiger and then didn't receive it you could say you were ripped off, but you didn't.

That is the stupidest thing I have read.

One: Apple rep said "if Tiger is released in two weeks" it's free. Guess he was playing word games. He should have said shipped in two weeks. He also told me it wasn't out and that he didn't think it would be out for some time. Dangerously close to a lie there.

Two: 6 freaking days after I buy something it's outdated. Thanks Apple, great way to encourage switchers.

Three: The BBB (an independent third party) thought it was a rip-off and accpeted my complaint against Apple and the local Mac store. Nothing will come of it, but it's the thought that counts.

Did I get ripped? Damn right I did and only an Apple fanboy would deny it.

[wdlove]

This is good news that we finally have the long awaited Tiger unleashed date, just 17 days to wait. Sadly Apple has not followed the trend with Mac OS X releases on the 24th. For some reason we are loosing protocol.

Sadly also the release date on the 29th is something that I had feared. I will be back on my diet research study, so won't be able to celebrate. My wife has to work that day. The 6pm timing for the party is earlier than the prior party times. Will need to be at the mall by around 4pm. Now to wonder if Steve will also have the 10% discount available.

[G4scott]

I for one will absolutely not buy Tiger. I'm a switcher who bought a Mac mini last Thursday...just on the wrong side of the Apple Up-To-Date cutoff. Thanks for nothing Apple. I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on.

I don't have thousands of dollars (or hundreds) laying around like many of you it seems. I bought what computer I could afford and don't have the $$ to spend on more software for it at this time. Don't bother saying you don't feel sorry, I'm not asking you to.

One happy customer will tell a few people. One disgruntled customer will climb to the highest mountaintop and scream his displeasure to all. I know which category I'm in.

Now where'd that BitTorrent client go.....

Woah, you just bought a Mac mini last Thursday, but you somehow know about macrumors.com... Why didn't you use some common sense, and pay heed to all the rumors about Tiger release dates? Surely you could've gone 3 weeks without a Mac mini to save $129...

Edit:

I'm not saying you didn't get screwed. I mean, your example is the definition of screwed, but... You could have easily kept yourself from being screwed. Going to the BBB, visiting MacRumors, you are obviously a smart or at least concerned shopper, but you are about as responsible for getting screwed as much as Apple is.

Now, if you had bought the computer without doing any prior research, then it'd be a different story, but you knew Tiger was on its way.

Besides, you don't expect Microsoft to give everyone who bought a computer 3 weeks before Longhorn came out to give them Longhorn for free, do you?

[Peace]

It's a budget computer dude, people don't seem to grasp the implications of that.

One would think with a new Apple Computer ( mini ) just released a month ago Tiger's core image would support the MacMini. and visa/versa :)

The list of supported cards is just a few of the supported cards imho.

[kwajo.com]

It's a budget computer dude, people don't seem to grasp the implications of that.

plus, people don't seem to realize that Tiger will make their machine seem (in many cases) faster than it was before, even a non-core image system like the mac mini

[tangerineyum]

I noticed that iWork was the first low end software release form Apple that required a security key. Does this mean we can expect to have to enter a code to install Tiger ? Does Apple no longer trust its faithful consumer base ? :( :confused:

[iGary]

It's a budget computer dude, people don't seem to grasp the implications of that.

People, what are we talking about here, the "ripple effect, or am I missing something?

[devman]

Ok I’m about to order Tiger for £50 (not the £37 the Americans are getting it for, but that’s another thread) and I’ve already got iLife’04.

Should I upgrade to iLife’05 at the same time (£38) and what about iWork (£33), is it worth upgrading to replace MS Word (Office V.x)? I find Word so slow I’ve taken to using TextEdit and then using Word to format etc.

In the USA at least they're offering a bundle of Tiger and iLife and also a bundle of Tiger, iLife and iWork. I don't recall the price, but it was a good saving.

edit: here it is. "A promotion is also being offered with iLife '05, iWork '05, and Tiger for $249." from http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0504g5.html

[TheWama]

I for one will absolutely not buy Tiger. I'm a switcher who bought a Mac mini last Thursday...just on the wrong side of the Apple Up-To-Date cutoff. Thanks for nothing Apple. I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on.First of all, whats the big deal? The computer was fine when you bought it, so why isn't it now? You didn't get screwed, you got exactly what you paid for, so quit acting like you didn't.

Second of all, there's some possiblity that if you complain enough, you can get tiger for free. You could also return the computer and buy a new one, only paying the restocking fee, which is probably ~$50. This fact could help you leverage them into giving you Tiger for the "up-to-date" price.

Thirdly, had you done a little research, you would have known the release was imminent, it was no secret, so why blame Apple?

Gosh, not to be rude or whatever, but you're sounding pretty darn immature.

P.S. There's a whole slashdot thread full of posts from people who faced the same situation as you, who, rather than cry about it, actually did something and ended up just fine. Some of them didn't even have to pay the $10 shipping charge! Behold, people you could learn something from: http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=145810&cid=12211742

[oldMac]

That is the stupidest thing I have read.

One: Apple rep said "if Tiger is released in two weeks" it's free. Guess he was playing word games. He should have said shipped in two weeks. He also told me it wasn't out and that he didn't think it would be out for some time. Dangerously close to a lie there.

Two: 6 freaking days after I buy something it's outdated. Thanks Apple, great way to encourage switchers.

Hi SadSwitcher,

Just because it's "official" doesn't mean it's gospel.
Call 'em up and sweet talk 'em a bit. You might get what you're looking for, just remember to hold off on the vinegar.

[JDOG_]

Just ordered mine too. Eager to check out the digital booklet you get when you order online.

This line on the tiger page is hilarious:

"Running Mac OS X v10.3 Panther or Mac OS X v10.2 Jaguar? Don’t have a cow — see how Tiger will take your Mac to the next level."

[wdlove]

That is the stupidest thing I have read.

One: Apple rep said "if Tiger is released in two weeks" it's free. Guess he was playing word games. He should have said shipped in two weeks. He also told me it wasn't out and that he didn't think it would be out for some time. Dangerously close to a lie there.

Two: 6 freaking days after I buy something it's outdated. Thanks Apple, great way to encourage switchers.

Three: The BBB (an independent third party) thought it was a rip-off and accepted my complaint against Apple and the local Mac store. Nothing will come of it, but it's the thought that counts.

Did I get ripped? Damn right I did and only an Apple fanboy would deny it.

It's too bad that you didn't join our community sooner. If it has been less than 10 days your could always try to return your Mac mini. Many people have been in your situation. Computers change frequently, so unless you keep up with the trends this kind of thing happens. Still Panther is a good stable OS. Your situation really isn't Apple's fault.

[broken_keyboard]

People, what are we talking about here, the "ripple effect, or am I missing something?

When I say "people" don't grasp what a budget computer is, I'm referring to the various threads lately about Mini performance. I'm like, "what did you expect? You do know it's the budget Mac, lower even than the iMac?"

[Zaty]

I just preordered my copy. What's interesting is pricing here in Switzerland, while the retail price was only reduced by CHF 10, the academic price was reduced by whopping CHF 30 which I means I get for just CHF 119! I didn't expect such a big reduction. Thank you Apple!

[skinsfan00atg]

I understand that the mini is a budget computer, but you would still think apple wouldnt develop the mini and tiger during the same time period with the intent of not giving the mini the ability to fully take advantage of tiger. I guess my question for the technical folks out there is WHAT AM I MISSING GETTING A MINI IF IT DOESNT DO CORE IMAGE. I have heard that core image will provide the ripple effect when using dashboard. Now, obviously i'm not saying this makes or breaks anything, but I want my new first mac to be able to do all the cool things, that's one thing I love about macs. If someone can just provide an explanation of what core image will do, that'd help a lot of us! THANKS!

[SadSwitcher]

Woah, you just bought a Mac mini last Thursday, but you somehow know about macrumors.com... Why didn't you use some common sense, and pay heed to all the rumors about Tiger release dates? Surely you could've gone 3 weeks without a Mac mini to save $129...

First, can you say Goooooooogle. "mac news forum" and this is the first forum that came up.

Second, who am I supposed to give more credence to: Apple reps in person at their store or some anonymous fan site? Hmmmmmmm.

Third, don't worry about the $129. Could I have gone three weeks? Well... my laptops battery died last Monday. Turns out that after 3 years of use it developed a short in the power circuitry and fried my battery. So... I could either pay $250 or so to have it repaired and the battery replaced or I could switch to a Mac. Figured it was a good time to switch.

The more apporpriate question is could I have waited from Thurs to Tues... yes. And I would have if the worthless lumps at the Apple stores had been honest and forthcoming. Heck, I would have paid then and waited to take delivery. But no....

$129 may not be much to those of you with half a dozen computers and a couple iPods and software in abundance. It is to me and so I will not buy Tiger.

Does that matter? Not to you or Apple apparently.

But it will carry some weight with the people I do business with when I inform them of my experience. I can guarantee they'll remember that if they consider switching.

[Lucky736]

I AM WRITING THIS IN CAPS FOR A REASON. IF YOU JUST BOUGHT A MINI AND ARE WITHIN YOUR RETURN PERIOD, JUST GOTO THE STORE AND HAVE THEM RE-RING THE PURCGASE AT THE CUSTOMER SERVICE COUNTER. IF YOUR LEARY OF HAVING A MINI EXCHANGED FOR A MINI ON A RECEIPT THEN ASK THEM TO PUT THE REFUND ON A GIFT CARD AND RERING IT THERE. FYI- SOME RETAIL STORES REQUIRE TO INPUT THE SERIAL # SO MAKE SURE YOU WRITE THIS DOWN IF YOUR GOING IN WITHOUT YOUR MINI. HOPE THIS HELPS SOME OF YOU GET THE UPGRADE. Back to normal text now.


Mike

[SadSwitcher]

It's too bad that you didn't join our community sooner. If it has been less than 10 days your could always try to return your Mac mini. Many people have been in your situation. Computers change frequently, so unless you keep up with the trends this kind of thing happens. Still Panther is a good stable OS. Your situation really isn't Apple's fault.

Apple rep tells me a story.... I buy based on that story.... who's fault is it?

Already tried to take it back this AM, they refused. That was what really prompted my BBB complaint.

[supersize]

Does anyone know if apple is at all flexible on there up-to-date program? I just ordered my 12' powerbook on friday (4/8) and it shipped from china today do you think there is any chance they will let me slip in under the wire? if not it would almost be worth it to not open it, return it and reorder.

Thanks
Jason

[CubaTBird]

JOY GASM JOY GASM!! YAY! hahhah

[Lucky736]

Just ask them to re ring. The store manager will do it.

[kenaustus]

One: Apple rep said "if Tiger is released in two weeks" it's free. Guess he was playing word games. He should have said shipped in two weeks. He also told me it wasn't out and that he didn't think it would be out for some time. Dangerously close to a lie there.


If the manager of the Apple Store will not honor the rep's statement then back up you data and tell them you are going to return the Mac and will then buy one that will have Tiger for free (actually about $19.95).

Also let the manager know about the BBB complaint and advise him you are forwarding a copy to Apple. Managers don't like problems and they certainly don't like the home office know they aren't taking care of an unhappy customer.

As for Apple's policy, they do have to have a cut off policy and they have set the date of the announcement as the cut off date. The validity of your argument is based on what an Apple rep told you and you have a right to assume good faith. In general, the policy is a reasonable one and a lot of potential buyers have been waiting for todays announcement before buying their Macs.

[ZildjianKX]

First, can you say Goooooooogle. "mac news forum" and this is the first forum that came up.

Second, who am I supposed to give more credence to: Apple reps in person at their store or some anonymous fan site? Hmmmmmmm.

Third, don't worry about the $129. Could I have gone three weeks? Well... my laptops battery died last Monday. Turns out that after 3 years of use it developed a short in the power circuitry and fried my battery. So... I could either pay $250 or so to have it repaired and the battery replaced or I could switch to a Mac. Figured it was a good time to switch.

The more apporpriate question is could I have waited from Thurs to Tues... yes. And I would have if the worthless lumps at the Apple stores had been honest and forthcoming. Heck, I would have paid then and waited to take delivery. But no....

$129 may not be much to those of you with half a dozen computers and a couple iPods and software in abundance. It is to me and so I will not buy Tiger.

Does that matter? Not to you or Apple apparently.

But it will carry some weight with the people I do business with when I inform them of my experience. I can guarantee they'll remember that if they consider switching.

I feel for you being screwed and being a switcher. I had a pretty bad taste in my mouth after switching to my frist mac, my single processor 1.8 G5 in Fall 2003. After waiting forever for my G5 to ship, it was killed off after 2 months for the dual processor model.

If you think you're pissed over an operating system that costs $129 or that can even be "borrowed" from a friend, how do you think I felt about a $2400 computer?

Remember, it can always be worse.

[Peace]

Apple rep tells me a story.... I buy based on that story.... who's fault is it?

Already tried to take it back this AM, they refused. That was what really prompted my BBB complaint.

I know how you feel. I bought my PB G4 April. 2003 ( approx ) and it came with Jaguar.Not 2-3 months later ( approx ) Panther was out. I lost out on getting the upgrade and had to pay full price for Panther.I was ticked off for a while.Then I got over it knowing I had the BEST O/S out there..
Relax man.Give it some time and you will be happy :)

[dornoforpyros]

I sure hope they are just using the re-designed black site for the countdown to tiger. I'd like to see the apple site go back to the suttle white and greys from before.

[SadSwitcher]

If the manager of the Apple Store will not honor the rep's statement then back up you data and tell them you are going to return the Mac and will then buy one that will have Tiger for free (actually about $19.95).

Also let the manager know about the BBB complaint and advise him you are forwarding a copy to Apple. Managers don't like problems and they certainly don't like the home office know they aren't taking care of an unhappy customer.

As for Apple's policy, they do have to have a cut off policy and they have set the date of the announcement as the cut off date. The validity of your argument is based on what an Apple rep told you and you have a right to assume good faith. In general, the policy is a reasonable one and a lot of potential buyers have been waiting for todays announcement before buying their Macs.

The Apple Store refused the return in person. I was told that if I was returning simply to get Tiger for free that they would not accept the return. Then I told them to keep Tiger and just give me my money back. They refused and told me to contact Apple directly if I had any more to say.

Told them I was going to the BBB. Left and contacted the BBB, complaining against the store and Apple.

ZildjianKX, I feel for you, that's an even worse story. That sounds like a CC charge reversal situation if you could swing it. I made the mistake of paying with a check which already cleared my bank (no stop payment possible).

I'm going to go have a smoke and calm down.

[oldMac]

I noticed that iWork was the first low end software release form Apple that required a security key. Does this mean we can expect to have to enter a code to install Tiger ? Does Apple no longer trust its faithful consumer base ? :( :confused:

While they enjoy people who pay to upgrade to the latest OS, I don't think Apple is as concerned about OS piracy as they are about application piracy.

Every person who owns a Mac has paid for a copy of OS X at least once - when they purchased the Mac, which is different from the Windows world where someone can buy a system without an OS to avoid paying for it.

For Apple, the OS is strategic. Apple has to keep making OS upgrades or they'll be out-done by Windows or Linux and go out of business - regardless of whether existing customers are paying for upgrades. The truth is that Apple would rather have people buy new machines than upgrade to the latest OS - and Apple puts features in the OS release that takes advantage of new hardware to try to spur that along.

In comparison, iWork is more of a traditional software app. Not a lot of people are going to buy a Mac in order to use iWork. Instead, Apple has to make iWork attractive enough for Mac users to want to buy it separately. And, Apple has to make enough money on iWork sales alone to justify funding support and development.

[wdlove]

Apple rep tells me a story.... I buy based on that story.... who's fault is it?

Already tried to take it back this AM, they refused. That was what really prompted my BBB complaint.

The employees are under a NDA, a non disclosure agreement. Breaking it could mean being fired. There is also the possibility that they don't know anything more that any of us. That is the impression that I have. If they did, there are just not allowed to divulge.

Also on your receipt it should list a date by which you are allowed to return an item. At least mine always list a date for a no questions ask return. Never have had a problem.

[CubaTBird]

10.3.9 later today? hrm..... :rolleyes:

[idarknight]

Apple rep tells me a story.... I buy based on that story.... who's fault is it?

Already tried to take it back this AM, they refused. That was what really prompted my BBB complaint.

Even senior Apple Sales reps have no idea what is coming down the pipe. I have a friend that works in Apple and there are times that I know things before he does. The people in the stores are going to be even worse than that.

This is no different than walking into Best Buy and knowing that the new "supergeewhizthing" is coming out in two days when the sales person has no real clue or care and until they do their regular meetings they don't (even then it's a stretch).

[bobablob]

First, can you say Goooooooogle. "mac news forum" and this is the first forum that came up.

Second, who am I supposed to give more credence to: Apple reps in person at their store or some anonymous fan site? Hmmmmmmm.

Third, don't worry about the $129. Could I have gone three weeks? Well... my laptops battery died last Monday. Turns out that after 3 years of use it developed a short in the power circuitry and fried my battery. So... I could either pay $250 or so to have it repaired and the battery replaced or I could switch to a Mac. Figured it was a good time to switch.

The more apporpriate question is could I have waited from Thurs to Tues... yes. And I would have if the worthless lumps at the Apple stores had been honest and forthcoming. Heck, I would have paid then and waited to take delivery. But no....

$129 may not be much to those of you with half a dozen computers and a couple iPods and software in abundance. It is to me and so I will not buy Tiger.

Does that matter? Not to you or Apple apparently.

But it will carry some weight with the people I do business with when I inform them of my experience. I can guarantee they'll remember that if they consider switching.


Sadswitcher, I am sorry that your experience hasn't been as satisfactory as you'd like and I do hope that you are able to alleviate your concerns directly with Apple. Still, you claim to be doing business with other people, but it doesn't sound like you have a clue about the business world. You paid for a product and now you are upset that you are not getting a different product. Unless you have iron-clad proof of a deliberate misrepresentation by an Apple employee, you might as well shut your mouth. You can go ahead and misrepresent your own case to as many people as you like, but if your whining tendencies are any indication of your customer relations skills, I doubt you'll find them a very receptive audience. And what, exactly, will be the point of your complaints? That Apple sold you a product, after informing you that there was a new operating system on the horizon and that the release date was not yet well known? For a man with limited finances, a reevaluation of your fiscal irresponsibility might be in order. You obviously know how to use Google, you should have used it before plopping down an apparently back-breaking $400 - $500 dollars.

[Jalexster]

I had a similar "getting screwed" situation when i got my iBook. I got an 800Mhz G4 12-inch. Shortly after getting it, the 1Ghz came out. I was annoyed.

But you know what I said to myself?

"Shut up. Stop whining. You have one of the best computers in the world running one of the best OSs in the world. Shut up and enjoy it."

Remember, that is what I said to MYSELF.

[JackSYi]

Ordered, $69 shipped, DELIVERED by 4/29, LIFE IS SWEET!!!!



I LOVE APPLE!!!!

[CubaTBird]

http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/newfeatures.html

aim profiles in ichat yay.. and other madness lol :)

[Lucky736]

The apple reps comment is BS. They know a long time in advance. If they talk they don't work for Apple anymore. Simple as that. I know this for a FACT.

[dicklacara]

First, can you say Goooooooogle. "mac news forum" and this is the first forum that came up.

Second, who am I supposed to give more credence to: Apple reps in person at their store or some anonymous fan site? Hmmmmmmm.

Third, don't worry about the $129. Could I have gone three weeks? Well... my laptops battery died last Monday. Turns out that after 3 years of use it developed a short in the power circuitry and fried my battery. So... I could either pay $250 or so to have it repaired and the battery replaced or I could switch to a Mac. Figured it was a good time to switch.

The more apporpriate question is could I have waited from Thurs to Tues... yes. And I would have if the worthless lumps at the Apple stores had been honest and forthcoming. Heck, I would have paid then and waited to take delivery. But no....

$129 may not be much to those of you with half a dozen computers and a couple iPods and software in abundance. It is to me and so I will not buy Tiger.

Does that matter? Not to you or Apple apparently.

But it will carry some weight with the people I do business with when I inform them of my experience. I can guarantee they'll remember that if they consider switching.

Those are all excuses, not reasons!

Have you ever heard the phrase Caveat Emptor-- the Buyer is responsible.

That said, you can:

1) Return to the Apple store and try to work out a reasonable compromise-- you will find that they are reasonable

2) Call Apple support & try the above.

3) Sell your mini to someone who doesn't need Tiger or will buy it for existing computers.

4) Accept the consequences of your decision to buy-- as a mature person would.

[4God]

That is the stupidest thing I have read...

...Did I get ripped? Damn right I did and only an Apple fanboy would deny it. :confused:

"Stupid is as stupid does" - Forrest Gump.

...Words from an intellect fanboy. :p

[Cooknn]

Core Image-capable graphics cards include:
...Radeon 9600 XT, 9800 XT, X800 XTMy G5 Power Mac Dual 2 Ghz (circa 2003) came with a Radeon 9600 Pro. Is it time for a new video card :confused:

[wdlove]

The Apple Store refused the return in person. I was told that if I was returning simply to get Tiger for free that they would not accept the return. Then I told them to keep Tiger and just give me my money back. They refused and told me to contact Apple directly if I had any more to say.

Told them I was going to the BBB. Left and contacted the BBB, complaining against the store and Apple.

ZildjianKX, I feel for you, that's an even worse story. That sounds like a CC charge reversal situation if you could swing it. I made the mistake of paying with a check which already cleared my bank (no stop payment possible).

I'm going to go have a smoke and calm down.

I can empathize, when your angry it clouds everything else. I'm not sure if I could have done it either, but would have not mentioned the real reason for the return. Especially not mention anything about Tiger.

The Mac mini is a good computer. A good place to start with using a Mac. The more important thing is that you begin to enjoy the use of your Mac mini. You are getting a lot of other free software like iLife and iWork, that most of us have had to pay. Hopefully later in the year you can afford to purchase Tiger.

[jung_offender]

That is the stupidest thing I have read.

Two: 6 freaking days after I buy something it's outdated. Thanks Apple, great way to encourage switchers.


erm, did your reseller tell you that Tiger would not be shipping? I'm not really the most up to date kinda mac user (still using my ancient 867 G4 powerbook and 10.2.8) but even I was able to check here and Apple's site to find out that a new OS was due. It is not Apple's responsability to hold you close to the breast.

BTW, my 2-year-old OS isn't 'out-of-date' as it still runs the software that I bought it to run, your's will too.

[CubaTBird]

isync back? i thought they killed that in 10.4 with .mac sync? hrm

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/isync/

[MacPhreak]

not any more ! anyone think you'd want a free copy of longhorn with it too ?

I know "not any more"; that's the point I was trying to make. I said that iLife '04 un-bundled the iLife apps from OS X, as in, iPhoto 2 came with Panther or Jaguar, iPhoto 4 does not.

[4God]

Those are all excuses, not reasons!

Have you ever heard the phrase Caveat Emptor-- the Buyer is responsible.

That said, you can:

1) Return to the Apple store and try to work out a reasonable compromise-- you will find that they are reasonable

2) Call Apple support & try the above.

3) Sell your mini to someone who doesn't need Tiger or will buy it for existing computers.

4) Accept the consequences of your decision to buy-- as a mature person would.

Couldn't have said it any better!!!!!

[Jalexster]

I had a similar "getting screwed" situation when i got my iBook. I got an 800Mhz G4 12-inch. Shortly after getting it, the 1Ghz came out. I was annoyed.

But you know what I said to myself?

"Shut up. Stop whining. You have one of the best computers in the world running one of the best OSs in the world. Shut up and enjoy it."

Remember, that is what I said to MYSELF.

[SadSwitcher]

Those are all excuses, not reasons!

Have you ever heard the phrase Caveat Emptor-- the Buyer is responsible.

That said, you can:

1) Return to the Apple store and try to work out a reasonable compromise-- you will find that they are reasonable

2) Call Apple support & try the above.

3) Sell your mini to someone who doesn't need Tiger or will buy it for existing computers.

4) Accept the consequences of your decision to buy-- as a mature person would.

1) They refused this AM read all my posts.
2) Apple support said I had to deal with the store
3) Already shopping it around to people.
4) It's buyer beware up right up to the point where the sales rep lies. BBB 101, try learning it. A mature person would know that.

[Mr. Dee]

Its nice to know that also updated the wallpaper again, I thought they had ran out of ideas.

[JackSYi]

Have you guys noticed the NEW AQUA desktop picture too? It also looks very sweet.

Just look on the videos for one of the new features.

[4God]

1) They refused this AM read all my posts.
2) Apple support said I had to deal with the store
3) Already shopping it around to people.
4) It's buyer beware up right up to the point where the sales rep lies. BBB 101, try learning it. A mature person would know that.


Darn, I just bought a 2005 Jetta and the new 2006's are coming out. What do I do? Should I call the BBB? :confused:

[Peace]

1) They refused this AM read all my posts.
2) Apple support said I had to deal with the store
3) Already shopping it around to people.
4) It's buyer beware up right up to the point where the sales rep lies. BBB 101, try learning it. A mature person would know that.


This situation is the same as any Windows O/S..with one HUGE exception

Windows XP Pro retail costs $269.99 (Amazon)
XP upgrade cost $189.00 (Amazon)
Tiger 10.4 cost $129.99

Think about it..

[Object-X]

First, can you say Goooooooogle. "mac news forum" and this is the first forum that came up.

Second, who am I supposed to give more credence to: Apple reps in person at their store or some anonymous fan site? Hmmmmmmm.

Third, don't worry about the $129. Could I have gone three weeks? Well... my laptops battery died last Monday. Turns out that after 3 years of use it developed a short in the power circuitry and fried my battery. So... I could either pay $250 or so to have it repaired and the battery replaced or I could switch to a Mac. Figured it was a good time to switch.

The more apporpriate question is could I have waited from Thurs to Tues... yes. And I would have if the worthless lumps at the Apple stores had been honest and forthcoming. Heck, I would have paid then and waited to take delivery. But no....

$129 may not be much to those of you with half a dozen computers and a couple iPods and software in abundance. It is to me and so I will not buy Tiger.

Does that matter? Not to you or Apple apparently.

But it will carry some weight with the people I do business with when I inform them of my experience. I can guarantee they'll remember that if they consider switching.

The more I read this guys posts the more I think he's a troll. Apple didn't screw anybody. They announced almost a year ago that Tiger would ship in the first half of 2005; to anybody with sense that means April or May. So, unless you live under a rock like a troll, you had to know the release of this OS was imminent, it's only been talked about on every tech web site in existance. Wow, I guess Apple should just arrange their release dates to accomidate your arrogance. Go cry your river elsewhere; I hear Gateway is coming out with a new buget PC; it even comes with Windows XP SP2!!! You at least won't have to worry about Longhorn coming out a week after you buy it.

[4God]

Whoops! just bought Monday's newspaper - but its Tuesday!
Should I call the BBB?

[xsnightclub]

I for one will absolutely not buy Tiger. I'm a switcher who bought a Mac mini last Thursday...just on the wrong side of the Apple Up-To-Date cutoff. Thanks for nothing Apple. I feel like I've just been screwed with my pants on.

Since you use your mouth hole for spewing a bunch of *****, it does not surprise me that you are able to be screwed with your pants on.

Pay for the software you want, otherwise you have no right to bitch about it. I ordered the family pack to pay my just dues, even though you have been able in the past to install OS X on multiple computers.

[kasei]

I am really disappointed the PowerBook 17" 1.33 GHz system won't be able to take advantage of Core Image.

[sintax]

I think I am going to order online with my EDU discount instead of going to the apple store event. However does anyone know if I will get a full boxed version of the OS, or just a DVD in a paper sleeve?

[SadSwitcher]

Darn, I just bought a 2005 Jetta and the new 2006's are coming out. What do I do? Should I call the BBB? :confused:

Yes you should if:

1) The salesperson lied to you about both the impending release of the 2006's and about the upgrade policy.
2) The dealership refused to honor its return policy.

Perhaps this is a better link for you though. (http://www.answers.com/non+sequitur&r=67)

[srobert]

This is on the "Canadian" version of the Apple Store website. I'm trying to buy Tiger bundled with iLife and iWork (Discount)

www.apple.com/ca —> Store —> Mac OS X Tiger (top of page) —> Experience More & Save —> Mac OS X Tiger —> Experience More & Save...

It works on the US site.

Anybody can help me find a link out of this loop? Maybe I should simply order by phone.

Or maybe the rebate is automatically applied when you purchase all 3 products. :/

Note: The "Experience More & Save" picture on the canadian site displays the same price as the US store. Probably a mistake.

[emulator]

JOY GASM JOY GASM!! YAY! hahhahHave you counted yet how many times you'd said: Tiger at WWDC? ;)

[CubaTBird]

Have you counted yet how many times you'd said: Tiger at WWDC? ;)


that can't stop me from being content haha? can it? lol.. i dunno it just seemed wwdc to me.. don't get too excited though.. SOMETHING related to tiger may come out at wwdc.. a new feature? who knows? hehe

[4God]

Yes you should if:

1) The salesperson lied to you about both the impending release of the 2006's and about the upgrade policy.
2) The dealership refused to honor its return policy.

Perhaps this is a better link for you though. (http://www.answers.com/non+sequitur&r=67)

I'm sorry, am I supposed to assume that the sales person in question is the only reliable source for Jetta? Or do you think maybe I could use some common sense and conclude even before confering with others that there is a new model coming soon? Try this: accept your situation, stop running off at the mouth and fingers, and enjoy what you purchased. There's no excuse for ignorance! Figure it out.

[SadSwitcher]

The more I read this guys posts the more I think he's a troll. Apple didn't screw anybody. They announced almost a year ago that Tiger would ship in the first half of 2005; to anybody with sense that means April or May. So, unless you live under a rock like a troll, you had to know the release of this OS was imminent, it's only been talked about on every tech web site in existance. Wow, I guess Apple should just arrange their release dates to accomidate your arrogance. Go cry your river elsewhere; I hear Gateway is coming out with a new buget PC; it even comes with Windows XP SP2!!! You at least won't have to worry about Longhorn coming out a week after you buy it.

You and xsnightclub and 4God seem to miss the point.

The Sales rep lied. Intentionally or not I don't know.
The Store refused to honor its stated return policy.

Those have nothing to do with anything you're saying. If the sales rep had said "I don't know" and the store had honored its return policy I would not be posting as the problem would have been solved.

This is business ethics 101. If I screw up in a purchase it's my problem. If they do.... then in your world apparently its still my problem.

[clayj]

I just realised this date is no good. It clashes with the opening of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (http://hitchhikers.movies.go.com/). Apple, can we re-schedule?

:)Yeah, I was all prepared to go to the Apple Store here in Charlotte for the launch of Tiger, but not if it conflicts with me seeing THHGTTG on opening night. Sorry, but you have to have priorities... I just ordered my copy of Tiger from the online Apple Store, and will be content to receive it earlier in the day, in the comfort of my own home, and install it then. :)

[ariel]

I have a hard time having any sympathy for anyone who complains that a vendor hasn't given them a "free upgrade" even if they purchased something 2-3 months BEFORE the upgrade was released (as I've seen posted here a couple of times).

Give me a break - the vendor (Apple/Microsoft/IBM etc) are in business to make money. They give reasonable rules for upgrades. They have the right to set the rules. Put yourself in their shoes... would YOU be giving away free hardware/software to someone who bought 2-3 months ago? (Again reference to those complaining about hardware upgrades - 2-3 months after they bought theirs!)

You go into ANY purchase knowing that something better may come out tomorrow (especially with computers and software!) - Ever buy something only to find out it goes on sale tomorrow? Happens all the time - that's life! The stores set up reasonable rules for getting that new price - but if you're outside the rules most likely your out of luck.

SadSwitcher: It is NOT Apple's fault you purchased before the date of the announcement - especially if you KNEW that Tiger was coming in the first 1/2 of the year (they told you that much). It isn't their responsibility to tell you when they are making announcements - just like stores don't tell you that the item you're buying today is going on sale tomorrow. I can tell you that Apple employees are not told in advance of any announcements so it isn't a lie when they give you their opinion.

Take responsibility for your actions and you'll feel better about your life.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it :)

[4God]

Yes you should if:

1) The salesperson lied to you about both the impending release of the 2006's and about the upgrade policy.
2) The dealership refused to honor its return policy.

Perhaps this is a better link for you though. (http://www.answers.com/non+sequitur&r=67)

Oh, and in reference to your cute link, you obviously don't know what an analogy is. Exposing your ignorance once again.

[SadSwitcher]

I'm sorry, am I supposed to assume that the sales person in question is the only reliable source for Jetta? Or do you think maybe I could use some common sense and conclude even before confering with others that there is a new model coming soon? Try this: accept your situation, stop running off at the mouth and fingers, and enjoy what you purchased. There's no excuse for ignorance! Figure it out.

You don't assume they're the only reliable source, but BY LAW you can assume that if they LIE to you, it's going to be a problem FOR THEM, not you. Real simple business ethics/law there. Furthermore if a store has a published, printed return policy and then REFUSES to honor it, it's THEIR problem, not yours.

Just becuase you love Apple....

[4God]

I have a hard time having any sympathy for anyone who complains that a vendor hasn't given them a "free upgrade" even if they purchased something 2-3 months BEFORE the upgrade was released (as I've seen posted here a couple of times).

Give me a break - the vendor (Apple/Microsoft/IBM etc) are in business to make money. They give reasonable rules for upgrades. They have the right to set the rules. Put yourself in their shoes... would YOU be giving away free hardware/software to someone who bought 2-3 months ago? (Again reference to those complaining about hardware upgrades - 2-3 months after they bought theirs!)

You go into ANY purchase knowing that something better may come out tomorrow (especially with computers and software!) - Ever buy something only to find out it goes on sale tomorrow? Happens all the time - that's life! The stores set up reasonable rules for getting that new price - but if you're outside the rules most likely your out of luck.

SadSwitcher: It is NOT Apple's fault you purchased before the date of the announcement - especially if you KNEW that Tiger was coming in the first 1/2 of the year (they told you that much). It isn't their responsibility to tell you when they are making announcements - just like stores don't tell you that the item you're buying today is going on sale tomorrow. I can tell you that Apple employees are not told in advance of any announcements so it isn't a lie when they give you their opinion.

Take responsibility for your actions and you'll feel better about your life.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it :)


Bravo! Bravo! Bravo!

[dicklacara]

1) They refused this AM read all my posts.
2) Apple support said I had to deal with the store
3) Already shopping it around to people.
4) It's buyer beware up right up to the point where the sales rep lies. BBB 101, try learning it. A mature person would know that.

I read your responses after I posted the suggestion.

If you feel you have a legitimate complaint, try the following, without getting loud, angry or using threats.

1) Return to the store and tell the store manager that: this is your first experience with Apple; that you think that you have not been treated fairly. Give the reasons why, and ask him to work with you to arrive at a solution that is acceptable to both parties. (be prepared to give some ground).

2) If he refuses, tell him that you still are not satisfied and that you want to escalate the matter to his superior (District Manager, I think). Ask him to make the call with you.

3) Take notes at each step

You can use this approach with the store, Apple Support, and Apple Customer Relations department (call Apple headquarters).

You should be able to escalate this all the way up to Steve Jobs, if you think it is warranted.

I have used this approach with several companies and the issue was always resolved to my satisfaction.

[Advance The Man]

The only difference between you and me is I didn't believe my Apple Store sales rep. I was in there two weeks ago and almost made the purchase. He said, "sure we'll upgrade you to Tiger as long as it comes in before July". Didn't sound plausible. Another thing he said is you can return any Apple product within 14 days no questions asked as long as you haven't opened the software discs.

I understand your frusteration, it sucks - but take a deep breath and enjoy life. :)

Apple rep tells me a story.... I buy based on that story.... who's fault is it?

Already tried to take it back this AM, they refused. That was what really prompted my BBB complaint.

[scarletbiro]

Still don't like the garageband name. Think it should have been something else but I'm not creative enough, it should have been iSomething.
The obvious would be "iRock"? I have to say, that title would definitely make me run out and buy a copy.

[Peace]

You don't assume they're the only reliable source, but BY LAW you can assume that if they LIE to you, it's going to be a problem FOR THEM, not you. Real simple business ethics/law there. Furthermore if a store has a published, printed return policy and then REFUSES to honor it, it's THEIR problem, not yours.

Just becuase you love Apple....

Exactly HOW did Apple or an Apple store LIE to you?

If an Apple store refused to honor their stated return policy I'd be ticked too.But somehow I don't think that is the case in your situation.

[john_satc]

Question from UK perspective -

Student price brings it down to £58 - according to Apple person on phone who took 5 minutes to find out so probs unreliable

Second, can I get the student discount price at an apple store? i.e. hopefuly the Birmingham store will be open by 29th, so can I get it there for student price?

[srobert]

Just a few questions, if you don't mind answering of course.

1) Why did you register to macrumors.com?
2) Has your question been answered to your satisfaction?
3) Do you need more help?
4) Are you planning to stay a member after your current issue is resolved?
5) Anything else we can help you with?

Here's hoping that you will enjoy your time on this forum. You might want to look at the other threads. There lot of very useful information and nifty tricks you can dig up here.

[Patriotsv4]

purchased something 2-3 months BEFORE the upgrade was released

Sadswitcher said he made his Mini purchase 6 days ago or something, theres a big difference between 6 days and 2-3 months.

I purchased my Mini at the end of March and I knew Tiger was coming soon. I decided to go buy it cause I couldn't wait :) I'm still going to give Apple a call to see if I can get an upgrade, but I won't cross my fingers. Panther is 10x better than Windows 2000 which I was coming from. If I don't get an upgrade then I'll use my EDU discount this summer to pick Tiger up.

Sadswitcher, it stinks that right after you purchase your Mini Apple announces Tiger. Call up Apple and explain the situation. If you don't get the upgrade is it that bad? Tiger could be buggy and you might just be better off waiting until you can purchase it and its matured.

[Object-X]

You and xsnightclub and 4God seem to miss the point.

The Sales rep lied. Intentionally or not I don't know.
The Store refused to honor its stated return policy.

Those have nothing to do with anything you're saying. If the sales rep had said "I don't know" and the store had honored its return policy I would not be posting as the problem would have been solved.

This is business ethics 101. If I screw up in a purchase it's my problem. If they do.... then in your world apparently its still my problem.

What did I do with my can of Troll-be-gone? I think the only liar here is you. If Apple didn't honor their return policy then hire a lawyer, and be sure to come back and tell us how it went. Now go away.

[quackattack]

Nothing really to add to the conversation. Just wanted to say I am glad that it was finally announced. I will probably buy it on the 30th. Don't really want to wait in line the day it's released. I'm hoping I can get a discount through the school bookstore... I will settle for the edu price, but I remember they sold Panther for $15...... fingers crossed!

[kevinuaa]

Yes you should if:

1) The salesperson lied to you about both the impending release of the 2006's and about the upgrade policy.
2) The dealership refused to honor its return policy.

Perhaps this is a better link for you though. (http://www.answers.com/non+sequitur&r=67)

I've been lied to before by sales reps. they say stuff to sell stuff, regardless of the truth. I'm really suprised that people are calling this guy a troll. Fan boys I guess take any criticism of Apple a little too personally.

I would talk to a manager, and explain that you want to return the computer. Inform him/her of any applicable state laws. iff that doesn't work, call your state's attorney general.


I can't believe that other members expect you to take the word of a bunch of nerds of various websites OVER that of a representative of the company.
Sales Reps should know better, but they don't....they want to sell computers, and may stretch the truth.


again, you should be able to return the computer and should pursue any action against Apple to get satisfaction.

Apple isn't perfect. it isn't infallible. They just make sweet computers/software/etc.

[Wonder Boy]

Also no G-5 Powerbooks in 2005.
So no "New G-5 Powerbooks next Tuesday" posts until next year.

that's as exciting and relieving to me as tiger being announced.

[ariel]

One: Apple rep said "if Tiger is released in two weeks" it's free. Guess he was playing word games. He should have said shipped in two weeks. He also told me it wasn't out and that he didn't think it would be out for some time. Dangerously close to a lie there.


If he indeed said "I don't THINK it will be out for some time" then it is obviously his opinion and therefore isn't a lie. IF he had said "we've been told it won't be out for some time" then maybe you have a case.

I agree that the rep's wording was bad on the "released" phrase. You can work with the manager on that one.

Again, I think like the others have said, if you talk to the manager reasonably and make logical points, you may still get the upgrade. But Apple has every right to set up a policy for upgrades and you're outside of it so unfortunately, you may be out of luck.

I also agree with everyone else that you've indeed got a better computer and better OS than you had. So enjoy it and upgrade when you can find the money.

Good luck!

[kevinuaa]

Since you use your mouth hole for spewing a bunch of *****, it does not surprise me that you are able to be screwed with your pants on.

Pay for the software you want, otherwise you have no right to bitch about it. I ordered the family pack to pay my just dues, even though you have been able in the past to install OS X on multiple computers.

Seriously, don't you think you're being kind of a jerk? it's not like this guy was using any sort of derogative language. Why bring it down to this level?

:(

[gfox25]

RETURN & REFUND POLICY
If you are not satisfied with your Apple purchase of a pre-built product, please call 1-800-676-2775 for a Return Material Authorization (RMA) request within 14 calendar days of the receipt of the product. If the item is returned unopened in the original box, we will exchange it or offer you a refund based on your original method of payment. The product must be returned to the Apple warehouse within14 calendar days of the issuance of the RMA. All products must be packed in the original, unmarked packaging including any accessories, manuals, documentation and registration that shipped with the product. A 10% open box fee will be assessed on any opened hardware or accessory. If you purchased your order using an Apple Business Lease, you may be asked to provide a major credit card (Visa, MasterCard, American Express, or Discover) for Apple to assess the 10% open box restocking fee.

Please note that Apple does not permit the return of or offer refunds for the following products:
Product that is custom configured to your specifications

Personalized iPods

Opened memory

Opened software*

Electronic software downloads

Software Up to Date Program Products (SW upgrades)

*You may return software after rejecting the licensing terms, provided the software is not installed on a computer. However, software that contains a printed software license may not be returned if the seal or sticker on the software media packaging is broken.

NOTE: Apple recommends that you (1) use a carrier that offers shipment tracking for all returns and (2) either insure your package for safe return to Apple or declare the full value of the shipment so that you are completely protected if the shipment is lost or damaged in transit. If you choose not to (1) use a carrier that offers tracking and (2) insure or declare the full value of the product, you will be responsible for any loss or damage to the product during shipping. Please not that the United States Postal Service (USPS) offers limited tracking capabilities and that there is a 30-calendar -day waiting period before the USPS will initiate a trace.

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/salespoliciesEdIndividual.html#Returns

[4God]

I've been lied to before by sales reps. they say stuff to sell stuff, regardless of the truth. I'm really suprised that people are calling this guy a troll. Fan boys I guess take any criticism of Apple a little too personally.

I would talk to a manager, and explain that you want to return the computer. Inform him/her of any applicable state laws. iff that doesn't work, call your state's attorney general.


I can't believe that other members expect you to take the word of a bunch of nerds of various websites OVER that of a representative of the company.
Sales Reps should know better, but they don't....they want to sell computers, and may stretch the truth.


again, you should be able to return the computer and should pursue any action against Apple to get satisfaction.

Apple isn't perfect. it isn't infallible. They just make sweet computers/software/etc.


And what thread are you reading? :confused: Nowhere do I read that any member suggests that anyone should "..take the word of a bunch of nerds of various websites OVER that of a representative of the company." Now if I remember correctly, Steve Jobs is a representative of the company. He posted a Keynote on Apple's website regarding the release of Tiger first half of 2005, right? Hmmmmmm, a rep on a various website. Go figure.

[macdaddy121]

Now that is a sweet price. Sometimes I do love being in school.

[bpd115]

First, Sadswitcher, it's not Apple's fault. The deal at the time you purchased was Mac Mini with Panther. You knew Tiger was around the corner. What do you expect of Apple? The rep to tell you "PSST Don't buy Tiger is due to be announced on the 12th!" Do you expect them to say "Oh, well even though this product wasn't announced offically when you bought your computer, you'll get it for free anyway."

Think about this logically. Bottom line is you purchased something before a free upgrade was announced. Your timing was off.

Second, I was in a similar situation with my 12" Powerbook when Panther came out

Go to http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?partNumber=M9643Z/A

and put in your information. My Powerbook qualified at the time even though it was bought before the cut off.

[Sky Blue]

Question from UK perspective -

Student price brings it down to £58 - according to Apple person on phone who took 5 minutes to find out so probs unreliable

Second, can I get the student discount price at an apple store? i.e. hopefuly the Birmingham store will be open by 29th, so can I get it there for student price?

Just pre-ordered mine from the apple store at £58.75. Don't think Apple stores in the US honour SD so maybe not, maybe call Apple Store in London and ask them?
Panther finally arrived about 2 weeks late last time, so be prepared to wait if you order on line.

[Advance The Man]

Apple store is back up. No glaring changes to hardware.

[bpd115]

interesting...

"Initiating*a multiway video conference requires a G5 or dual 1GHz or faster G4 processor and*384-Kbps or faster broadband access. Participating in a multiway video conference and initiating a six-person multiway audio conference both require a G5, 1GHz G4 or dual 800MHz or faster G4 processor and 100-Kbps or faster broadband access."