Bush believing his own propaganda?

[diamond geezer]

link (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/DEA0E141-0D99-4241-A18C-DE0492DFA995.htm)

"The toppling of Saddam Hussein's statue in Baghdad will be recorded, alongside the fall of the Berlin Wall, as one of the great moments in the history of liberty."
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I never realised that all those Germans pulling down the wall were actually flown in by the US in a staged media event.

silly me.

[zimv20]

then i shall assume this one (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4429137.stm) will be recorded, too:

Iraqis stage huge anti-US protest

Tens of thousands of protesters have marched through Baghdad denouncing the US occupation of Iraq, two years after the fall of Saddam Hussein.

Demonstrators loyal to Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr rallied in the square where the ousted Iraqi leader's statue was toppled in 2003.

The protest was the largest since the 30 January elections.

Earlier, insurgents killed 15 Iraqi soldiers travelling in a convoy south of the capital, police said.

'No to the occupiers'

Mr Sadr's supporters streamed from the Sadr City district to Firdos Square, where the statue was brought down on 9 April 2003, symbolically marking the end of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Protesters chanted anti-Western slogans such as "No, no to the occupiers", and "No America! No Saddam! Yes to Islam!"

The square was packed with demonstrators waving Iraqi flags and holding aloft effigies of US President George W Bush, UK Prime Minister Tony Blair and Saddam Hussein.

Iraqi security forces kept watch, while US troops were out of sight. There were no reports of violence

"I came from Sadr City to demand a timetable for the withdrawal of the occupation," one protester, named Abbas, was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.

"The Americans wanted time and we gave them time, now we want to rule ourselves," he said.

Moqtada Sadr did not attend the rally. He is believed to have remained in Najaf since agreeing a truce with the US following clashes between US-led forces and Mr Sadr's Mehdi Army militia last August.

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[Desertrat]

Ever work in a bureaucracy where even though you were a peon, your job brought you into contact with the Big Bosses? I did, during my years at a Texas state agency.

It's amazing what the Big Guy will believe. And, repeat as fact.

The information flows in from many sources, each step providing some amount of filter and passed along with some amount of spin. By the time it reaches the top, it can be many degrees off course from reality. I know I spent a good bit of time saying, "Sir, that's not the way it is..." (This meant a lot of mid-level guys hated my guts, of course.)

I've said all along that Bush believes what he spouts. That scares me a helluva lot more than the idea that he's lying. Lying would mean that there is absoluite knowledge, and that the liar has a calculated agenda. It seems to me that the various governmental machinations of the last three years have stemmed more from fear and foolishness than from any cold-blooded Plan Against Us All.

I still see Bush as an essentially good-hearted guy who got caught up in a situation that few believed was likely. The only way he knows to fight it is to out-tough the Jihadists. Out-toughing killers is not something that Americans in general are emotionally geared up to deal with. Friedman's column, today, in the NYt, seems to say Bush is at least ahead in the fight--but the fight ain't over.

'Rat

[miloblithe]

If Bush is "good at heart", why did he spend the first 40 years of his life as a partying, coke-snorting frat boy with a cruel sense of humor?

[pseudobrit]

I still see Bush as an essentially good-hearted guy who got caught up in a situation that few believed was likely. The only way he knows to fight it is to out-tough the Jihadists.

Wait a minute. According to you, in this same exact post, Bush simply believes what he's told. If it's as you say, the only way he knows to fight it is to listen to the people below him.

Who have nearly universally been proven liars and/or incompetent. So it's liars and morons from top to bottom I suppose.

[Don't panic]

So it's liars and morons from top to bottom I suppose.

and the really amazing part is that a good half of the country STILL support them