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smilealot
Jul 27, 2011, 05:10 PM
First the FCPro-desaster and now a lot of annoying bugs in Lion - especially massive Wi-Fi-problems which made me go back to Snow Leopard:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3191630?start=0&tstart=0

In the German Appstore 13% of the reviews have two stars or less!!! Most of these negative reviews come from serious professional users!

What about investing less in marketing (1 Million downloads blablabla...) and concentrating on quality again?



gentlefury
Jul 27, 2011, 05:14 PM
First the FCPro-desaster and now a lot of annoying bugs in Lion - especially massive Wi-Fi-problems which made me go back to Snow Leopard:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3191630?start=0&tstart=0

In the German Appstore 13% of the reviews have two stars or less!!! Most of these negative reviews come from serious professional users!

What about investing less in marketing (1 Million downloads blablabla...) and concentrating on quality again?

Well I think the thousands of 5 star reviews kinda outweigh the complainers!

Celeron
Jul 27, 2011, 05:57 PM
First the FCPro-desaster and now a lot of annoying bugs in Lion - especially massive Wi-Fi-problems which made me go back to Snow Leopard:

Bummer about the WiFi problems. I did a clean install on my MacBook Pro and haven't had any issues with wifi.

Skyholder01
Jul 27, 2011, 06:39 PM
First the FCPro-desaster and now a lot of annoying bugs in Lion - especially massive Wi-Fi-problems which made me go back to Snow Leopard:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3191630?start=0&tstart=0

In the German Appstore 13% of the reviews have two stars or less!!! Most of these negative reviews come from serious professional users!

What about investing less in marketing (1 Million downloads blablabla...) and concentrating on quality again?

Must also say I'm a new MBP user. I did the in stall the night OSX came out. I've had no problems with the wifi.

BiggAW
Jul 27, 2011, 06:53 PM
I should try my wifi card and see how it works haha. MBP hasn't left the desk for a while.

I think 2 or 5 stars are both a little unfair, it was a decent upgrade, but definitely nothing to write home about.

Branskins
Jul 27, 2011, 10:22 PM
Simple: Apple is moving into the future and those that are not comfortable with it are being vocal about it. Apple does not want to be stagnant. They want to move forward.

pawelthegreat
Jul 27, 2011, 10:26 PM
Yea, there are a lot of problems and I really can't wait till Lion's first update.

I shut down my Mac today and I had to cold reset it after 3 hours of white screen.

Preview was earlier experiencing printing issues.

I miss my Snow Leopard, really I do.

Those ratings on the App Store are flawed because you don't notice the bugs until you reach a couple of days of Lion usage. My rating is at 1 star until I see at least some improvement.

I read in a post that 10.6.1 came a mere two weeks after SL came out so I cannot wait!!

Mackilroy
Jul 28, 2011, 12:51 AM
And everyone experiences those bugs, right? Nope. I've yet to experience any of the 'bugs' that I've seen reported on MR from people. Are only bad reviews not flawed? ;) :rolleyes:

Icy1007
Jul 28, 2011, 01:08 AM
I did an "upgrade installation" of Lion and the only issues I've really had are with Steam and sometimes if an app is in full-screen mode, the menu bar refuses to come down when I move the mouse to the top of the screen.

I'm also a little bummed that I have to reboot into Windows if I want to play Diablo 2, but that is hardly worth complaining about.

Overall, I am very satisfied with Lion and look forward to when the bugs are worked out with subsequent version updates.

Sellano
Jul 28, 2011, 01:10 AM
First the FCPro-desaster and now a lot of annoying bugs in Lion - especially massive Wi-Fi-problems which made me go back to Snow Leopard:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3191630?start=0&tstart=0

In the German Appstore 13% of the reviews have two stars or less!!! Most of these negative reviews come from serious professional users!

What about investing less in marketing (1 Million downloads blablabla...) and concentrating on quality again?

this is how Apple works. They do focus on quality, don't get me wrong, and you could see it in their concepts. However, not having extensive beta-testing (due to the secretive handling), you cannot iron out all bugs in the code. This is done with the help of the Apple community: read early adopters and fanboys.
Professional users who upgrade each .0 release are not professionals at all. Usually, a business upgrades once a release is commonly known as stable and after verifying that it does not break one's workflow.

That said, I have installed the kitten on a separate partition and am testing it right now. Bugs are all over the system as expected but much less than in SL when it first came out. Just ... AD binding would simply not work.

We are thinking to deploy Lion by the end of the year (late December) hoping that by then the most evident bugs will be fixed by Apple.

Jerome Morrow
Jul 28, 2011, 01:15 AM
Professional users who upgrade each .0 release are not professionals at all.

Any of the point updates can contain bugs, so .0 or .5 no one has the guarantee.

P.S. Seriously if i hear 'professionals' one more time i'll get very choked up, seriously there could be tears.

adder7712
Jul 28, 2011, 01:18 AM
I have no WiFi problems to speak of.

InuNacho
Jul 28, 2011, 01:59 AM
Simple: Apple is moving into the future and those that are not comfortable with it are being vocal about it. Apple does not want to be stagnant. They want to move forward.

What does this have to do with Wifi issues?

DollFaceDork
Jul 28, 2011, 02:02 AM
Wi-fi won't be linked to Lion...

Apple haven't said Lion is perfect and their OS X evolve to fix bugs etc all the time.

ProwlingTiger
Jul 28, 2011, 02:14 AM
Another one of these threads. What is with Apple? Why so many bugs? Why did Apple do this or that? Why hasn't Apple done this or that?

We aren't exactly mind readers and therefore cannot tell you the reasoning behind Steve's decisions. Hypothesizing about them won't change his mind.

I wish we had a stickied "Complain about Lion and FCPX thread."

Branskins nailed it.
Simple: Apple is moving into the future and those that are not comfortable with it are being vocal about it. Apple does not want to be stagnant. They want to move forward.

DollFaceDork
Jul 28, 2011, 02:18 AM
Another one of these threads. What is with Apple? Why so many bugs? Why did Apple do this or that? Why hasn't Apple done this or that?

We aren't exactly mind readers and therefore cannot tell you the reasoning behind Steve's decisions. Hypothesizing about them won't change his mind.

I wish we had a stickied "Complain about Lion and FCPX thread."

Branskins nailed it.

Is it too late to sticky it?

CapnJackGig
Jul 28, 2011, 02:34 AM
Well I think the thousands of 5 star reviews kinda outweigh the complainers!

A 5 star review doesn't make all the bugs and inept UI design decisions go away. As for the fanboyish assertion that Apple's moving into the future and anyone that doesnt enjoy bad design decisions and bugs simply want to live in the past is completely infantile.

BiggAW
Jul 28, 2011, 07:50 PM
this is how Apple works. They do focus on quality, don't get me wrong, and you could see it in their concepts. However, not having extensive beta-testing (due to the secretive handling), you cannot iron out all bugs in the code. This is done with the help of the Apple community: read early adopters and fanboys.
Professional users who upgrade each .0 release are not professionals at all. Usually, a business upgrades once a release is commonly known as stable and after verifying that it does not break one's workflow.

That's a very good point. Win7 was in beta for months before they went to the GM, and they had many, many people testing it through MSDN. Even then, it took some businesses another two years to upgrade to it, to ensure that internal applications were working with it.

A 5 star review doesn't make all the bugs and inept UI design decisions go away. As for the fanboyish assertion that Apple's moving into the future and anyone that doesnt enjoy bad design decisions and bugs simply want to live in the past is completely infantile.

Saying that Apple is moving into the future with this is definitely overstepping it a bit. The reality is, they are trying to create a consistent user experience with the iPad to cross-market so that they can make more money.

The reality though, is that even though Launchpad, reverse scrolling, and Gestures and out of place on a desktop/laptop, they are all easy to turn off, and overall Lion doesn't really affect much otherwise. I upgraded, and I'm sort of disappointed that my computer is almost no different than it was before. Mission Control is a slight improvement over Expose, but that's about it. It turns out my SSD doesn't need TRIM, and that's the extent of it.

ratzzo
Jul 28, 2011, 07:58 PM
Well I think the thousands of 5 star reviews kinda outweigh the complainers!

People often rate it before fully experiencing the OS though. In this case it's easy to observe, seeing how most of these people had only been using the OS for the few days it had been available.

Either way I have not had any WiFi issues on my MBP with Lion. I do miss 'Airport' though ;(

My take would be that a big update is to be expected within a week or so to fix the most immediate bugs with the OS. Keep in mind that Beta testers aren't as effective as millions of people reporting glitches.

Branskins
Jul 28, 2011, 08:05 PM
What does this have to do with Wifi issues?

This thread has nothing to do specifically with the WiFi issue but Apple quality issues.

santaliqueur
Jul 28, 2011, 09:01 PM
People often rate it before fully experiencing the OS though. In this case it's easy to observe, seeing how most of these people had only been using the OS for the few days it had been available.

And you can always change your review and rating, so the "ratings were cemented in before the user discovered bugs" argument is rendered invalid.

sjinsjca
Jul 28, 2011, 09:24 PM
In the German Appstore 13% of the reviews have two stars or less!!!

The trouble is, those of us with five-star satisfaction probably won't take the time to go back and five-star it.

It's been great here. No problems at all, and I mean NO problems at ALL.

My machine (an early-2010 MBP, 8GB) is noticeably faster, presumably thanks to Lion's superior utilization of available RAM. I'm a professional user who depends on my Mac, and I'm one happy camper... yet haven't bothered to go back and five-star the thing. Guess I should.