My Predictions for the next couple months (and yours too)

[Flyers486]

First off I'd like to thank everyone her for their help in a computer choice in the past several months. I decided on the 17 inch iMac and it is a stellar machine. Also I wanted to thank all the avid posters for teaching me what I know about Apple, the mac platform, and the bussiness as a whole. Now that thats out of the way....

I'd like to discuss what I see as a very critical time frame for Apple corp. and the industry as a whole. From what I have read, and learned, this is what I see (and want) to occur in the next several months:

Third week of October:
New Powerbooks with a 1ghz and a 1.2ghz processor; the 1.0 ships immediately, the 1.2 four weeks; all support bluetooth built in and have 64mb mobility ATI Radeon 9000 video cards; optional external superdrive: with powerbook $299; 166 front side bus; ddr ram

New Screens: the product line is slimed to three (much like all other platforms)

A 17 inch widescreen with resolution equal to 17 inch iMac; 100$
discount when purchased with new powermac or powerbook: 699$

A 20 inch widescreen with the best resolution in industry; 100$
discount when purchased with new powermac or powerbook: 1499$

A 23 inch widescreen model with applicable res.; 200$ discount: 2199$


Second Week of November:
New iBooks: 700mhz and 800mhz G4, bluetooth, 32mb videocard;
13inch widescreen $1399 and $1799

iPhone (orriginally set for MWSF) 149$; 3G; Bluetooth; Sony Erikson
network; possible photo+mp3 extension


MWSF:
iMac line updated (all bluetoth integrated)

19 inch widescreen (larger base) 1.25ghz processor; 128mb vidcard
(Gforce 4Ti);100GB hard drive; Superdrive; 166mhz fsb; ddr ram:2199$

17 inch widescreen 1ghz processor; 64mb videocard (ATI Radeon 9000)
80 gb hard drive;superdrive; 166 fsb; ddr ram: 1899$

15 inch widescreen (much like powerbook) 933mhz processor; 32mb
videocard (Gforce 4MX); 60 gb hard drive; superdrive; 133 fsb; SDRAM
1499$

Powermac's updated (G5 announced0
G5-developed by moto produced by moto till May when taken over by
IBM; Speeds start at dual 1.5 ghz; quads possible but unlikely; casing
goes to full steal look

Dual 1.5s: integrated bluetooth, ATI Radeon 9000; fsb ?; ddr ram; superdrive; 80 GB Hard drive: 1699$ (shipping immeadiately)

Dual 1.75ghz: integrated btooth, GForce 4TI; fsb?; DDR Ram; superdrive; 100GB HD: 2299$ (shipping immeadiately)

Dual 2.0 GHZ: integrated btooth, ATI Radeon 9700 PRO; fsb?; DDR Ram; 120 GB HD: $2999 (shipping 4 weeks)

NEW PRODUCT: eBook

less than 5 lbs; 12 inch screen; G4 667; 16mb vid card; btooth; starts at 999$

eMac

G4 800 and 867; current vid cards; superdrive high model, cdrw/dvd low end
starts at: 799$


This is what I see coming. Subsequently there will be new powerbooks design wise before MWNY with G5s. Apple will announce 64bit IBM GPULS at conference and will be used by OCTOBER 2003 to coincide with 10.3 launch as 20$ upgrade

So how did I do at my first try? Crazy? Stupid? Just naive? You tell me. Oh and post your ideas as well. I see thi being a great time for Apple. I hope you all agree.

Gregory White

[MacBandit]

There will be no new tower update in January. Maybe in February or March and it will be an update only maybe with the G4 7470 chip. There will be no completely new cpu because those chips will not even be ready for use until probably after July.

The new Powerbook will probably max out at no more then 1Ghz with a conservative number more likely at 933. It will not have DDR because of heat issues. The DDR ram being one of many reasons Apple added extra cooling to the new tower.

The new screen line up I see possible is this 17, 19, 22HD, and 24HD. 24 being the new max screen size from Apples supplier. The prices I'm hoping for are something like this $750, $1000, $2200, and 3,300 respectively.

G4s for the iBooks I see as a definite. At what speeds is a big question mark.

Definitely a new device of some sort, what, I don't know.

[SilvorX]

i would like to see a price decrease on the dual 867 b4 november..but that would never happen :(
and i'dd like to see cheaper emacs, and different themes of emacs just like the classic imac ;)....like one totally graphite lookish or something

[MacBandit]

Colored eMacs sounds good and lower prices to replace the original iMac which is going away.

[Flyers486]

I didn't realize that ddr ram was part of the heat issue. I thought it was just the processor that triggered that problem. I guess a produt redesign will be necessary to intigrate such features. Does anyone think the next revision of the poermac migh include hot swappabe hard drives like th xserve? that would be a first and a good draw to converts. no need for firewire drives (if a home user).

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Flyers486
I didn't realize that ddr ram was part of the heat issue. I thought it was just the processor that triggered that problem. I guess a produt redesign will be necessary to intigrate such features. Does anyone think the next revision of the poermac migh include hot swappabe hard drives like th xserve? that would be a first and a good draw to converts. no need for firewire drives (if a home user).

Why would the processor trigger it? It's the same processors as before except the 1.25s and I don't think they put out that much more heat.

I do think you will see hot swappable drives but not in the fassion one would think. When the next version of Firewire comes out I see internal drives eventually using it. So that will make them hot swappable.

[cubist]

NEW PRODUCT: eBook

less than 5 lbs; 12 inch screen; G4 667; 16mb vid card; btooth; starts at 999$


This sounds good. I think we might see such a product at MWSF. It would be a CD-ROM only system derived from the iBook. However, for it to be a G4, the G3-based iBooks would have to change, so as to be positioned just slightly upscale.

Note that the current iBooks are using 700MHz IBM G3 (Sahara) processors, which I hear perform much better than their MHz would indicate. My guess is that IBM will make some chip with Altivec that Apple will feel comfortable selling as a G4. This is not going to happen in calendar 2002, however.

By mid-2003 we will likely see most of the Apple line transitioning to IBM processors, at a variety of speeds and capabilities.

[solvs]

You guys are being way too optimistic.

New PowerBooks with 1 GHz G4, SuperDrive, and 64 MB Video Card, if we're lucky. New iBook with 800 MHz (+ if they go with a 133 MHz FSB, probably still a G3) and 32 MB Radeon, but probably only if the PowerBook gets a 64.

Maybe intergrated Bluetooth, but probably not until the next itineration.

Eventually new iMacs and eMacs with single 1 GHz G4s and a 133 MHz FSB. New Superdrives, probably in the Towers first, after they come out. But, NO NEW TOWERS!!! Not for awhile anyway. They JUST started shipping the 1.25s, and January isn't that far away.

Hate to be a buzzkill, and I hope I'm wrong.

[scem0]

Too optomistic both speed and price wise. You will be majorly dissapointed if you get your hopes up on 1.2 GHz powerbooks. It could happen, but chances are that it won't happen.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by solvs
You guys are being way too optimistic.

New PowerBooks with 1 GHz G4, SuperDrive, and 64 MB Video Card, if we're lucky. New iBook with 800 MHz (+ if they go with a 133 MHz FSB, probably still a G3) and 32 MB Radeon, but probably only if the PowerBook gets a 64.

Maybe intergrated Bluetooth, but probably not until the next itineration.

Eventually new iMacs and eMacs with single 1 GHz G4s and a 133 MHz FSB. New Superdrives, probably in the Towers first, after they come out. But, NO NEW TOWERS!!! Not for awhile anyway. They JUST started shipping the 1.25s, and January isn't that far away.

Hate to be a buzzkill, and I hope I'm wrong.


Hey you're not killing my buzz at all that's exactly what I said in my response.

[JSRockit]

iBook (Soon):

G3 800Mhz or 700mhz G4,
Bus speed to 133mhz if Ti goes higher,
32MB VRAM.

iBook (later): G4, 13" Widescreen, Max Ram of 768MB, Bluetooth etc.

12" iBook becomes the low-end...and maybe even a CD-ROM version for $999.

14" iBook dies and maybe comes back as a SE iBook with better resolution and hopefully a better design...unless the 13" widescreen is the SE model.

[xelterran]

Powermac's updated (G5 announced0
G5-developed by moto produced by moto till May when taken over by
IBM; Speeds start at dual 1.5 ghz; quads possible but unlikely; casing
goes to full steal look
Powermac's updated (G5 announced0
G5-developed by moto produced by moto till May when taken over by
IBM; Speeds start at dual 1.5 ghz; quads possible but unlikely; casing
goes to full steal look


i dunno about speeds 'starting' at 1.5ghz - they usually seem to put the top end model to the bottem end so we may end up with something like 1.25ghz, 1.5ghz and 1.7/1.8ghz - hopefully all duel!
I really hope we see IBM power4 chips, Moto just doesnt seem to be goign anywhere fast at the moment!

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by xelterran


i dunno about speeds 'starting' at 1.5ghz - they usually seem to put the top end model to the bottem end so we may end up with something like 1.25ghz, 1.5ghz and 1.7/1.8ghz - hopefully all duel!
I really hope we see IBM power4 chips, Moto just doesnt seem to be goign anywhere fast at the moment!


Trust me on this Moto has something up there sleeves. The reason the G4 development hasn't progressed all that much is they have been pooring there time into the development of the next chip G5 or whatever it will be called. I do not think in anycase we will see any of these next generation chip from Moto or IBM until at the very earliest mid year to fall of 2003.

[xelterran]

so.. we could get another g4 update.. say to 1.5 - 1.6ghzg4 at MWSF then mid-way through the year the g5's are rolled out at 2ghz+ hmmmmmmm....... ill beleive it when i see it ;)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by xelterran
so.. we could get another g4 update.. say to 1.5 - 1.6ghzg4 at MWSF then mid-way through the year the g5's are rolled out at 2ghz+ hmmmmmmm....... ill beleive it when i see it ;)

I did say at the very earliest. Personally my open oppinion on it is that we will have the G4 until 2004 sometime.

[TMJ1974]

Well, I don't see an eBook happening...the iBook has been marketed at the education and consumer crowd.....and it's not doing too badly (all things considered). Any eBook would, in my opinion, erode the market for the iBook.

Also, I think the iBook will have the G3 (IBM-Sahara) for some time to come....I don't remember where I saw it, but I read how this chip had lots of life left. I can see a FSB increase though....no DDR RAM in any of the consumer (iBook/iMac/eMac) lines for a while.

I would actually buy the 19" iMac rumor....no evidence, just seems a good market tool to draw interest. I also remember reading somewhere how the base will support a screen up to 21" (weight and balance wise)

PowerBook....I can see faster chips and DDR and even SuperDrive.....Pioneer did anounce a portable DVD-R....we'll see

I don't see any new PowerMacs anytime soon. Quite frankly, I'm not going to consider a new PowerMac until the IBM chip is in there, with DDR system bus, some case front ports (FireWire and USB) wouldn't hurt either.

I would like some software though......the final version of iSync, a new Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Pro, iTunes with MP4, StarOffice for Mac, version 1.0 of Chimera, .Mac for $49 (forever)

Just my 2 cents....

Tim

[JSRockit]

Originally posted by TMJ1974
Well, I don't see an eBook happening...the iBook has been marketed at the education and consumer crowd.....and it's not doing too badly (all things considered). Any eBook would, in my opinion, erode the market for the iBook.

Also, I think the iBook will have the G3 (IBM-Sahara) for some time to come....I don't remember where I saw it, but I read how this chip had lots of life left. I can see a FSB increase though....no DDR RAM in any of the consumer (iBook/iMac/eMac) lines for a while.



eBook can't happen since the name has already been taken. However, I can see a 12" iBook with a CD-RW drive selling for $999 once the 13" iBook arrives. Also, a 14" SE model with Better resolution maybe.

Sure, the iBook is aimed at the Student, but I haven't been in school in like 5 years and I actually prefer the size of the 12" iBook to the TiBook. In all fairness, the iBook should be considered a mid-range model...a prosumer model... therefore it needs a G4 processor.

Keep the current G3 12" iBook as the low-end as a CD-RW version only for $999...the reason I say CD-RW is because the iBook doesn't have a floppy...the CD-RW is the new floppy. CD-ROM drives in laptops need to be forgotten at this point.

[skunk]

Note that the iBook processor already does 800MHz (it was software-adjustable until someone let the cat out of the bag).

[jefhatfield]

ebook does not seem likely

g4 towers, imacs, tibooks, and ibooks definitely will go on

emac and crt imac most likely will continue

os x will survive

[Postal]

Here's what I see (or rather, estimate) in computers, between now and January/Feburary:

eMac

- 867 MHz and 1 GHz G4s
- 256 MB of PC133 memory
- 60 GB hard disk
- 32 MB GeForce 4 MX video
- Combo and Superdrive options
- same price as we see now

iMac

- 867 MHz and 1 GHz G4s
- 256 MB of PC133 memory
- 60, 80, and 120 GB hard disk options
- 32 MB GeForce 4 MX video
- Combo and Superdrive options (CD-RW is scrapped)
- 19" model introduced, and the 17" trickles down two notches (to the current 15" Superdrive's level)
- the 19" may have a special performance edge (ex. a 64 MB Radeon 9000 Pro)
- $1299 for 15" Combo, $1499 for 17" Combo, $1799 for 17" Superdrive, and $1999 for 19" Superdrive

iBook

- 867 MHz G3
- 256 MB of PC133 memory
- 30, 40 and 60 GB hard disks
- 32 MB Mobility Radeon 7500 video
- still CD-ROM and Combo drives
- 13" screen in the current 12" case size
- quite possibly a 14" widescreen model with 1152x768 resolution
- possible redesigned appearance
- same pricing

PowerBook

- 800 MHz and 1 GHz G4s
- 256 MB of PC266 (DDR) memory
- 30, 40 and 60 GB hard disks
- 64 MB Mobility Radeon 9000 video
- Combo and Superdrive options
- possible design change
- similar pricing

PowerMac

- dual 1 GHz, 1.25 GHz and 1.5 GHz G4s
- 256 MB of PC333 (DDR) memory
- 333 MHz DDR system bus
- 60, 80 and 120 GB hard disks
- 64 MB Radeon 9000 Pro, 128 MB GF4 Ti, and 128 MB "NV30" (whatever it's named) video options
- Combo and new, faster Superdrive options
- same casing
- same pricing

[xelterran]

i do hope apple puts 512mb ram as standard! 256 really isnt enough - especially for the G4 Tower :o

[Over Achiever]

Here's what I'm expecting in october...apple has let me down lately, so I'll set my goals low.

PowerBook
- 800 MHz and 933 GHz G4s
- PC 133 memory
- 30, 40 and 60 GB hard disks
- 32 MB Mobility Radeon 9000
- No superdrive
- bluetooth in airport card
- similar pricing

Then I can be pleasantly surprised when I get the specs I want! :D

[imamacguy17]

Look at the spymac article from a couple of days ago.

Some big things are going to happen.

1) G5 finally. The double processor and DDR do not creat enough heat to explain the new case design. This is the original G4. Hyper G3. The Original G4 which i have is basically a souped G3 chip with all of the g4 board stuff. The same is the dual power macs. But this time it was called the G4 instead of G5. we will see the new proccessors in october and hear a schedule that says early 2003 (Seybold time frame) but the G5 power mac will be at macworld. Im saying 1.3 (student) 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 initally. DDR faster bus, bluetooth (with mouse and keyboard) and an inkwell input device.

But the big things cant be predicted. We will see 2 ghz in 2003 we may see past that but who knows. I dont im a college kid who loves the mac. No one posting here knows any more than I do. Its all about realistic predictions and no one posting is doing so. There will be a whole lot of things happening in 2003 but what they are I dont have a F@&!ing clue.

[mr evil brkfast]

The like to see before the end of the year:


powerbook 867/1GHZ 64 MB ATI 9000; 167 MHZ BUS; 512 MB DDR

imac 867/ 1 GHZ; 133 Mhz BUS; GF4 32 MB 256 MB RAM min

emac 800/867GHZ; 133 Mhz BUS; GF4 32MB 256 Mb RAM min

ibook 800/ 900 G3; 32 MB ATI 7500; 256 MB RAM min




What we'll probably see:

Nothing until January


Powerbook; imac update January

Feb/Mar All new ibook
:(

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by imamacguy17
Look at the spymac article from a couple of days ago.

Some big things are going to happen.

1) G5 finally. The double processor and DDR do not creat enough heat to explain the new case design. This is the original G4. Hyper G3. The Original G4 which i have is basically a souped G3 chip with all of the g4 board stuff. The same is the dual power macs. But this time it was called the G4 instead of G5. we will see the new proccessors in october and hear a schedule that says early 2003 (Seybold time frame) but the G5 power mac will be at macworld. Im saying 1.3 (student) 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 initally. DDR faster bus, bluetooth (with mouse and keyboard) and an inkwell input device.

But the big things cant be predicted. We will see 2 ghz in 2003 we may see past that but who knows. I dont im a college kid who loves the mac. No one posting here knows any more than I do. Its all about realistic predictions and no one posting is doing so. There will be a whole lot of things happening in 2003 but what they are I dont have a F@&!ing clue.


Whatever your taking I got to have some. Talking about dillusional. Apple is not going to refresh there tower line 3 months after the 1.25s shipped sorry the absolute soonest you will see anything would be around March.

[mr evil brkfast]

I unfortunately Agree...even though Apple will be probably 2 GHZ behind Intel by then.

I figure for the PM line in March maybe we'll see the 7470 chip out for a line of

1 GHZ; 1.25 GHZ; 1.5 GHZ

[lemmon]

about the ibook.....

isn't osx optimized for a g4 with altivec?
(i know i read that somewhere)

and isn't steve pushing so very hard for a complete switch to x?

that's why i see the ebook as an appealing idea.
leave it with the aging g3 (which performs better than it's mHz rating suggests), and pop some g4s in the newley redesigned ibooks. replete with a 13 or 14 inch screen.

the ebook will kind of pick up where the ibook will leave off, just as the emac picked up where the new imac left off.

a sub $1000 notebook for the education market and some new consumer level ibooks in the mid $1000's.

just my thoughts, feel free to correct me.

[mr evil brkfast]

a notebook/subnotebook for under $1000 dollars wouldbe a great addition to the line up. So would an $899 emac entry level.

[JSRockit]

I hope you are right.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by mr evil brkfast
a notebook/subnotebook for under $1000 dollars wouldbe a great addition to the line up. So would an $899 emac entry level.

ibook $999 at 700 mhz or 800 mhz and 128 mb ram and cd-rom

emac, though, i see at 700 or 800 mhz, and at $999, but maybe $949 usd???

$899 usd would be super cool and i might get that instead of ibook to replace my revision a 300 mhz ibook i got way back in late 1999

go ibook
go emac

:D

[JSRockit]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


ibook $999 at 700 mhz or 800 mhz and 128 mb ram and cd-rom

:D

There is no way that they will give a speed bump to the iBook and then lower the price substancially. I can see $999 with CD-ROM, 128MB Ram, and a 600Mhz G3 maybe...but nothing else for that kind of loot.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by JSRockit


There is no way that they will give a speed bump to the iBook and then lower the price substancially. I can see $999 with CD-ROM, 128MB Ram, and a 600Mhz G3 maybe...but nothing else for that kind of loot.

actually, that would still be very cool and beat "dull's" $999 celeron running laptop running windows xp;)

[Kethoticus]

I personally have little idea what to expect in the coming months. I love all the rumors and BS bouncing back & forth about modified 2GHz Power4s, 1.6GHz G5s, etc., but I really expect nothing more than the modest improvements we see in the Mac line every 6 months.

What I am hoping for in the next series of upgrades (hopefully within the next 6 months) are

> full support for DDR-RAM,

> firewire b (looooong overdue), and

> more than a 200MHz increase for the CPU in the next round of powerbooks.

And from Mac developers,

> >500MHz G4 upgrades for B&Ws (this is getting really tiring).

This is all I can think of at the moment.

[dorsal]

Moto was killing themselves to get to 1.25 GHz so 2.0 is out for January. You'll be lucky to see 1.0, 1.25, and 1.5. The "only boot in X" thing is marketing hype. The GPUL is real, but not ready until MWNY (Boston?) along with Apps & OS 10.3 optimized for 64 bit and some amazing high-end graphics demos.

[Chryx]

Originally posted by MacBandit
It will not have DDR because of heat issues. The DDR ram being one of many reasons Apple added extra cooling to the new tower.

That's utter nonsense, DDR ram runs COOLER that SDR. (same clockspeed, 2.5v verses 3.3v = SDR is hotter)

In addition, the extra cooling in the new powermacs is on the PROCESSORS, it's nowhere near the memory slots.

[jammer]

Yeah I want true DDR, cheaper, better displays and a Power4 chip that kicks heavy arse, but I'd love to see a total rethink about Tower design, the same way the new iMac revolutionized PC design. Is a big clumsy tower the best solution we can thik of? No! Come on Apple! Challenge yourselves and come up with another great original idea. And cut down on the amount of wires! It's 2002 and we at least shouldn't have to plug in a mouse and keyboard anymore! Make something sleek and cool! Give us a 1984, Brave New World desktop!

[Kethoticus]

Give us a 1984, Brave New World desktop!

Well when Palladium becomes the de facto standard for copyright protection, you'll get your wish.

As for industrial design, I do agree that I'd like to see something better, too. Not that the current design is bad, but something sleeker and sharper, kinda like B&O's stereo components, would be really sweet.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Chryx


That's utter nonsense, DDR ram runs COOLER that SDR. (same clockspeed, 2.5v verses 3.3v = SDR is hotter)

In addition, the extra cooling in the new powermacs is on the PROCESSORS, it's nowhere near the memory slots.

So that is why on my DDR machine the ram slots are now right above the heat sink rather then clear across the motherboard from the cpu on my old B/W G3. So they did this so the air being pushed through the heatsink wouldn't also get pushed up and over ram cards? I personally haven't checked to see if the DDR ram is hotter I just know what I've read about PC's that went from SDR to DDR and yes they got hotter.

Just because the voltage is lower does not always mean that it produces less heat. Also on my machine the clockspeed is not the same it is now 167Mhz. The people pushing for DDR in the Powerbooks also want the 167Mhz Bus because the current machines already have 133Mhz bus' in them. Between the Bus and the DDR Ram there is a heat increase.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by MacBandit




Just because the voltage is lower does not always mean that it produces less heat.


???:confused:

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by jefhatfield



???:confused:


Size also matters. When talking about total heating potential you also have to take in consideration the overall surface area of the heating device.

[Sherman]

the new macs run hotter most definitely, I mean the ****ing back is all vents and it has air intakes on the front.

My theory is that very little of that heat is actually contributed by the DDR ram. I think most of it is from the overclocked G4's they have in there.

I know, I know, you probably think that "no motorola has them running normally at 1.25Ghz" but i'm 90% sure those chips are overclocked, or else why would they run so hot? I mean a dual 1.25Ghz pentium machine produces MUCH less heat than those babies and we all know pentiums run a hell of a lot hotter than your average G4.

The memory has next to nothing to do with it.

[solvs]

Originally posted by Sherman
the new macs run hotter most definitely, I mean the ****ing back is all vents and it has air intakes on the front.

My theory is that very little of that heat is actually contributed by the DDR ram. I think most of it is from the overclocked G4's they have in there.

I know, I know, you probably think that "no motorola has them running normally at 1.25Ghz" but i'm 90% sure those chips are overclocked, or else why would they run so hot? I mean a dual 1.25Ghz pentium machine produces MUCH less heat than those babies and we all know pentiums run a hell of a lot hotter than your average G4.

The memory has next to nothing to do with it.

They aren't OC'ed. Get over it people. Apple couldn't do this legally unless they TOLD people they were OC'ed. The 1.25 GHz are the same type of chips as the 1 GHz, but they are specced to run at 1.25 on a 167 MHz FSB. The definition of overclocking is to run the processor at a higher speed than it is rated to run. The 1.25 GHz G4s are OC'ed 1 GHz G4s as much a 2.53 P4 is an OC'ed 1.9 P4.

Wait... bad example.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Sherman [I]
the new macs run hotter most definitely, I mean the ****ing back is all vents and it has air intakes on the front.

My theory is that very little of that heat is actually contributed by the DDR ram. I think most of it is from the overclocked G4's they have in there.

I know, I know, you probably think that "no motorola has them running normally at 1.25Ghz" but i'm 90% sure those chips are overclocked, or else why would they run so hot? I mean a dual 1.25Ghz pentium machine produces MUCH less heat than those babies and we all know pentiums run a hell of a lot hotter than your average G4.

The memory has next to nothing to do with it.[QUOTE]



[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by solvs


They aren't OC'ed. Get over it people. Apple couldn't do this legally unless they TOLD people they were OC'ed. The 1.25 GHz are the same type of chips as the 1 GHz, but they are specced to run at 1.25 on a 167 MHz FSB. The definition of overclocking is to run the processor at a higher speed than it is rated to run. The 1.25 GHz G4s are OC'ed 1 GHz G4s as much a 2.53 P4 is an OC'ed 1.9 P4.

Wait... bad example.



I wanted to add something to solvs message. Yes, overclocking a chip does raise the heat output of the chip. You're error is in the assumption that the heat from an overclocked chip is any higher then a chip meant to run at that speed. It doesn't matter how a chip speed is raised. It doesn't matter if it is because the manufacturing processes are more precise or the chip frequency is artificially boosted (overclocked). Either way the chip will increase in power consumption the exact same amount. This is unless the manufacturer changes the process it uses to make the chip i.e. shrinks the chip size.

Last but not least plain and simply if Apple has been approoved by Apple to sell a chip at 1.25Ghz it's simply because the chip tested at that frequency and if okay to run. Also overclocking describes an action taken by an end user it can not describe what a manufacturor does.

[mr evil brkfast]

IT would be suicide for Apple to overclock the 1 ghz chip as a 1.25 Ghz chip as the only speed upgrade for line. I know moto is hurting getting any sort of viable upgrade out but that would be pathetic.

Does the whole line run much hotter or just the 1.25?
What about all the talk around the case's cooling properties being for the "new chip" or much faster G4 models yet to come?

If the duals are running that how- I don't expect to ever see them in the powerbook

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by mr evil brkfast
IT would be suicide for Apple to overclock the 1 ghz chip as a 1.25 Ghz chip as the only speed upgrade for line. I know moto is hurting getting any sort of viable upgrade out but that would be pathetic.

Does the whole line run much hotter or just the 1.25?
What about all the talk around the case's cooling properties being for the "new chip" or much faster G4 models yet to come?

If the duals are running that how- I don't expect to ever see them in the powerbook

I own a new Dual/Ghz/DDR and the cpus do not run any hotter then the old cpus in fact the overall card runs cooler. Same chip same speed half the cache. Because there is less cache the overall card produces less heat.

I think part of the cooling is to aid in cooling the Bus and DDR Ram. Maybe the 7470s if they ever materialize run hotter or maybe the cpu that Motorola is keeping up there sleeve that no one talks about.

[scem0]

Originally posted by Over Achiever
Here's what I'm expecting in october...apple has let me down lately, so I'll set my goals low.

PowerBook
- 800 MHz and 933 GHz G4s
- PC 133 memory
- 30, 40 and 60 GB hard disks
- 32 MB Mobility Radeon 9000
- No superdrive
- bluetooth in airport card
- similar pricing

Then I can be pleasantly surprised when I get the specs I want! :D

I wouldn't call 933 GHz a 'low' goal.... :D:D:D... Im sure you meant 933 MHz

[cb911]

so everyone's confident of new TiBooks in October? that's good to see, just hope it's true. i'd also like to see 933MHz TiBooks, and 64MB video card would be awesome, there's nothing else i really want in the TiBooks now.:D

[samdweck]

all that makes me jealous! no... i just got my imac 800 a few months ago... and now they are coming up with two gig stuff.. do they have upgrades? pretty please apple!:eek:

[samdweck]

Originally posted by lemmon
about the ibook.....

isn't osx optimized for a g4 with altivec?
(i know i read that somewhere)

and isn't steve pushing so very hard for a complete switch to x?

that's why i see the ebook as an appealing idea.
leave it with the aging g3 (which performs better than it's mHz rating suggests), and pop some g4s in the newley redesigned ibooks. replete with a 13 or 14 inch screen.

the ebook will kind of pick up where the ibook will leave off, just as the emac picked up where the new imac left off.

a sub $1000 notebook for the education market and some new consumer level ibooks in the mid $1000's.

just my thoughts, feel free to correct me.

good point.. .but i dont' think that ebook will be coming out on the public market right awy. they'll do wht they did w/ the emac... put it on education market, and three months later release to public.