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MacRumors
Jul 28, 2011, 10:04 AM
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The Guardian reports (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/28/bbc-iplayer-global-ipad-launch) that the BBC is finally set to launch its popular iPlayer service on an international basis, rolling out a new iPad app to eleven countries in Western Europe today and to the United States, Canada, and Australia by the end of the year.The service will offer a limited amount of content for free, supported by pre-roll ads and sponsorship, but its core business model is subscription, with users paying €6.99 (£6.14) a month or €49.99 a year. The 11 launch countries are Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, The Republic of Ireland, The Netherlands, Portugal, Spain and Switzerland.

The global iPlayer app includes some features that are not in the UK version, including the ability to stream shows over 3G as well as Wi-Fi, and a downloading feature to store programmes on the iPad for offline viewing.According to BBC.com managing director Luke Bradley-Jones, the service will include video-on-demand content from the last month, with other "best of" content stretching back decades also being made available. At least 1,500 hours of programming will be available at launch, with at least 100 additional hours being added every month.

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The BBC reports that it worked closely with Apple on the new offline functions, working to override the standard automatic sleep settings for the iPad in order to allow content to download overnight in advance of going offline.According to Smith, the development team worked closely with Apple on the offline feature. "When we were doing our user testing, the use case was picking six shows before going on a long journey, and leaving them to download to the iPad overnight," he said.

"The way the device works, though, is it hibernates and stops you from doing that: you wake up the next morning and only half a show has downloaded. We have managed to override that functionality, and Apple are comfortable with us doing that."

Smith stressed that users will be warned about the likely battery consumption of doing this, though: they would be best advised to leave their iPad plugged in overnight in these cases.The global iPlayer project, which is separate from the UK-specific iPlayer program, is a one-year pilot project focused on the iPad, with an eye toward refining the offerings and expanding to more devices, platforms, and markets over time.

Article Link: BBC iPlayer for iPad Going International: Western Europe Today, U.S. and Others Later This Year (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/28/bbc-iplayer-for-ipad-going-international/)



MonkeySee....
Jul 28, 2011, 10:12 AM
Maybe a nice NBC/ABC app for us in the UK??

Narco220
Jul 28, 2011, 10:20 AM
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Hbo go app for uk plz! Yeap i know im dreaming with that one!

b11051973
Jul 28, 2011, 10:30 AM
This is cool. I could see paying a couple bucks a month for BBC content. I hope they let us stream content to an Apple TV using Airplay. HBO GO doesn't let me do it, but I've already got HBO on my main TV. Then again, I don't have all the back HBO content.

All these streaming apps should just let us use Airplay.

Optimus Frag
Jul 28, 2011, 10:34 AM
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Hbo go app for uk plz! Yeap i know im dreaming with that one!

+1. Very +1 in fact.

American TV studios. Want to stop illegal torrenting of your content overnight? Just launch a similar app using subs for international users. We will pay it!

kirky29
Jul 28, 2011, 10:35 AM
Now the rest of the World can watch EastEnders!

You lucky lucky people :)

zin
Jul 28, 2011, 10:58 AM
So is offline viewing and storage coming to the UK version? I don't get why international customers get more whilst us, the license payers, get shafted.

I suppose it'll arrive soon, though.

Scepticalscribe
Jul 28, 2011, 10:59 AM
If a similar application were to be launched for the MBA, I'd most certainly be in the market for it.

However, as I already have a MBA, I don't really need (or want) an iPad.

Cheers

bobrik
Jul 28, 2011, 11:11 AM
So sad to see that the Iron Curtain has not fallen yet.

parish
Jul 28, 2011, 11:22 AM
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So is offline viewing and storage coming to the UK version? I don't get why international customers get more whilst us, the license payers, get shafted.

I suppose it'll arrive soon, though.

My thoughts exactly. Time the BBC remembered where their funding comes from! Although, personally, I think the TV Licence should be scrapped and the Beeb go commercial. It made sense 60 years ago when the BBC was the only broadcaster, but these days it's just another tax.

For those outside the UK who don't know, we have to buy a TV Licence which is about 170 ($~260US 190) per year. This is not just to watch BBC but for any "TV receiving equipment" which includes TV cards in a PC

MacRumorUser
Jul 28, 2011, 11:27 AM
Downloaded from Irish app store, and just bought the year for €49.99 ..

Cheaper than trying to buy a proxy IP address and all those hassles that go with it (having to change back when I want to view my own countries tv programs)..

gumblecosby
Jul 28, 2011, 12:03 PM
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Hopefully a iPod/iPhone version follows soon.

jlgolson
Jul 28, 2011, 12:07 PM
But will we be able to watch Martin Brundle and David Coulthard's F1 coverage?

The Formula One coverage in the US is abysmal.

aperantos
Jul 28, 2011, 12:08 PM
My thoughts exactly. Time the BBC remembered where their funding comes from!

That would be advertising and subscriptions.

BBC Worldwide is a commercial business which receives no licence fee funding, but generates profits that are reinvested in domestic public services.

For those outside the UK who don't know, we have to buy a TV Licence...

As, incidentally, do most countries in Europe. The majority of countries in the world use either a licence fee, direct taxation, or indirect taxation via government grants to support public service broadcasting.

aperantos
Jul 28, 2011, 12:17 PM
But will we be able to watch Martin Brundle and David Coulthard's F1 coverage?

I highly doubt it. The Global iPlayer only provides content where BBC Worldwide hold distribution rights in the relevant country. This means it will exclude some programming that airs on BBC channels in the UK and includes content from rival broadcasters.

And also CBC's Being Erica. The BBC hold the worldwide rights outside Canada, despite selling it to E4 in the UK, and so it is included despite not being a "BBC show' in anyone's general understanding.

Sporting rights outside the broadcaster's own territory are almost always retained by the governing body unless it is something that only has domestic interest.

jlgolson
Jul 28, 2011, 12:26 PM
I highly doubt it. The Global iPlayer only provides content where BBC Worldwide hold distribution rights in the relevant country. This means it will exclude some programming that airs on BBC channels in the UK and includes content from rival broadcasters.

Sporting rights outside the broadcaster's own territory are almost always retained by the governing body unless it is something that only has domestic interest.Which is why I have a UK VPN to get my F1 fix.

If F1 offered it as a direct subscription, like MLB does with MLB.tv, I would gladly subscribe...

scirica
Jul 28, 2011, 12:29 PM
Will there be any live streaming? That is the main reason I have a UK vpn for the BBC live shows. Looks like a lot of archived content?

Keebler
Jul 28, 2011, 12:38 PM
i think this is fantastic. now if only HBO would smarten up b/c here in Canada, you have to be an HBO subscriber to get the i-content.

But I don't have cable or satellite. We weren't watching a lot of TV for the amount we were paying.

But if HBO had a similar program, I'd be a subscriber b/c I want to watch their shows.

Same with the BBC.

Maybe this is the slow start of an evolution which sees users having direct access to content instead of being shackled into having other payments as well.

well done BBC!

leon44
Jul 28, 2011, 01:14 PM
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...TV Licence which is about 170 ($~260US 190) per year.
Well no it's

145.50 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/licencefee/)

and worth every penny!

The Phazer
Jul 28, 2011, 02:39 PM
This is cool. I could see paying a couple bucks a month for BBC content. I hope they let us stream content to an Apple TV using Airplay. HBO GO doesn't let me do it, but I've already got HBO on my main TV. Then again, I don't have all the back HBO content.

All these streaming apps should just let us use Airplay.

Extremely unlikely. And I expect pretty much every professional broadcaster to block Airplay mirroring too.

I understand Airplay mirroring in an attempt to force the issue has gone down about as well with the networks as Google TV's assumption that all these sites would just be allowed to work if they supported Flash has.

Phazer

MacRumorUser
Jul 28, 2011, 04:07 PM
BBC iPlayer my ar5e.......


A lot of stuff is missing......

I can't seem to get Eastenders for example.
No, QI
No, Royale Family !!!!!!!!
No, LarkRise to Candleford
No, Sherlock


And the list of missing shows goes on


Think I just wasted €50 :o :( :(

The Phazer
Jul 28, 2011, 05:48 PM
BBC iPlayer my ar5e.......


A lot of stuff is missing......

I can't seem to get Eastenders for example.
No, QI
No, Royale Family !!!!!!!!
No, LarkRise to Candleford
No, Sherlock


And the list of missing shows goes on


Think I just wasted 50 :o :( :(

That's made pretty clear in the description. Why the hell did you press the year's subscription button before looking what was on it???

Phazer

MacRumorUser
Jul 28, 2011, 05:57 PM
That's made pretty clear in the description. Why the hell did you press the year's subscription button before looking what was on it???

Phazer

In what description?

Certainly did not say in iTunes that it didn't contain those shows?

So where is this list of exclusions? Those shows are all over a month old...



Now the rest of the World can watch EastEnders!

You lucky lucky people :)

No they can't. It's not on...

captain kaos
Jul 28, 2011, 07:11 PM
Here in Oz good tv is very hard to find! We've tried the proxy route put the bottle neck makes it impossible to view. This will be well worth the money. Question: do you think the ipad would be able to push this to an apple tv via airplay?

firestarter
Jul 28, 2011, 10:46 PM
Well no it's

145.50 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/licencefee/)

and worth every penny!

I got rid of my TV, because there was such a lot of junk on. Much of the BBC's programming is lowest-common-denominator trash - Brucie on dancing programmes, dumbed down lifestyle stuff, 'comforting' presenters (alan Titchmarsh etc), sentimental soaps. I'd prefer them to be broken up and the public's money distributed to a wider range of smaller broadcasters.

I'd happily pay €49.99 for a 'best of' selection on the iPad, but I definitely won't (and don't) pay 145.50.

MacRumorUser
Jul 29, 2011, 01:31 AM
Here in Oz good tv is very hard to find! We've tried the proxy route put the bottle neck makes it impossible to view. This will be well worth the money. Question: do you think the ipad would be able to push this to an apple tv via airplay?


No.


Only iPad 2 via HDMI is supported sadly.

weckart
Jul 29, 2011, 02:23 AM
So is offline viewing and storage coming to the UK version? I don't get why international customers get more whilst us, the license payers, get shafted.

I suppose it'll arrive soon, though.

Offline viewing and storage (up to 30 days and DRMed) has been available with the domestic player since day one.

On the other hand, offline viewing and storage (in perpetuity unDRMed) was only available with iPlayer Downloader RIP, although Get iPlayer Automator is supposed to work still.

adrian.oconnor
Jul 29, 2011, 03:38 AM
I got rid of my TV, because there was such a lot of junk on. Much of the BBC's programming is lowest-common-denominator trash - Brucie on dancing programmes, dumbed down lifestyle stuff, 'comforting' presenters (alan Titchmarsh etc), sentimental soaps. I'd prefer them to be broken up and the public's money distributed to a wider range of smaller broadcasters.

I'd happily pay 49.99 for a 'best of' selection on the iPad, but I definitely won't (and don't) pay 145.50.

I got rid of my TV, because I also agree that there's a lot of junk. However, I still pay the TV license, because BBC is just leagues ahead of Sky and ITV, and if they were to stop we'd be a lot poorer for it. We still watch occasional stuff on iPlayer, and sometimes live (like F1 coverage, Cbeebies), so that's why we kept the license.

Without the BBC there'd be a total lack of popular science and nature programs. C4 do a lot of interesting stuff too, but it's more urban/film based. I think maybe you don't appreciate the BBC right now because you're outside of the demographic that they really serve, but as you get older -- middle age and beyond, you'll probably start to see it in a different light.

One final point -- as others have already mentioned -- this venture is part of the BBC's commercial arm. It has nothing to do with the license fee. The BBC work just like any other distributor when it goes over seas.

pjac
Jul 29, 2011, 05:47 AM
Offline viewing and storage (up to 30 days and DRMed) has been available with the domestic player since day one.
Not on the UK BBC iPlayer app, see:
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/tablets/ipadapp_prog_download

firestarter
Jul 29, 2011, 09:17 AM
I got rid of my TV, because I also agree that there's a lot of junk. However, I still pay the TV license, because BBC is just leagues ahead of Sky and ITV, and if they were to stop we'd be a lot poorer for it. We still watch occasional stuff on iPlayer, and sometimes live (like F1 coverage, Cbeebies), so that's why we kept the license.

Sky and ITV are 100% commercial and have no extra funding for public service broadcasting.

Without the BBC there'd be a total lack of popular science and nature programs. C4 do a lot of interesting stuff too, but it's more urban/film based. I think maybe you don't appreciate the BBC right now because you're outside of the demographic that they really serve, but as you get older -- middle age and beyond, you'll probably start to see it in a different light.

You're very kind... but I'm probably older than you think. I don't think you're right in saying "without the BBC there'd be a total lack of popular science and nature programs" - no, I'm not against money being collected for public service broadcasting, I'm just against it all being given to one organisation - without any competition. Where there's public money, there would be resources for science programming made by other organisations. The programmes you like are the result of available finance and home-grown creative talent. Splitting the BBC up wouldn't change either of those factors.

I also think the esteem the BBC's science output is held in is often over stated. Brian Cox's programmes are pretty, but fairly superficial. The way the BBC films him switching to a different exotic location every 20 seconds underscores their profligacy.

One final point -- as others have already mentioned -- this venture is part of the BBC's commercial arm. It has nothing to do with the license fee. The BBC work just like any other distributor when it goes over seas.

I'm aware of that. I'd prefer to buy programming on a 'pay per view' basis though, which is why I made the comparison. I don't want to hand over 145 a year, because there's no way that I can indicate which 5% of output I actually want to watch, and the 95% I don't want money spent on. Even if it cost the same or more, I'd like to have that influence.

With the cost of production equipment going down, along with the cost of delivery (internet), I think the BBC is starting to stifle the small startups that should be delivering content in the UK. If the licence fee was made available for small local studios, small specialist-interest production companies etc. I'm convinced we'd end up with a much wider range of high quality programming.

rowley
Jul 31, 2011, 04:13 PM
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I think 40p a day (12 quid a month) for all the BBC content, both broadcast and online is a far price. Besides not all the tv license is handed over to the BBC from the government anyway. This iPad venture is BBC worldwide anyway, a company not funded by the tv license fee, they sell the shows to other countries.

robj
Aug 1, 2011, 01:43 AM
Talking about the iPlayer (Europe Version), has anybody tried to plug the iPad2 to a TV set using the HDMI option?

Is the content displayed in fullscreen?

I've watched some videos in youtube about the ipad2 mirroring and the content (apps, home screen) is not in fullscreen mode, however that doesn't happen if a video is displayed.

The iPlayer content is, of course, video, but it's not displayed using the standard video player of the ipad but its own video player.

robj
Aug 31, 2011, 04:21 PM
Talking about the iPlayer (Europe Version), has anybody tried to plug the iPad2 to a TV set using the HDMI option?

Is the content displayed in fullscreen?

I've watched some videos in youtube about the ipad2 mirroring and the content (apps, home screen) is not in fullscreen mode, however that doesn't happen if a video is displayed.

The iPlayer content is, of course, video, but it's not displayed using the standard video player of the ipad but its own video player.

Quoting myself, NO, the content isn't displayed in full screen using the HDMI cable :(

As I supposed, given that the player used by iPlayer app is not the "system" one, the content is displayed in a small frame of your big TV set :(

In my opinion, this is a major drawback and hope BBC guys will fix it soon.