Expo Discussion

[arn]

talk away...

[arn]

I'll say...

1) I'm surprised there are no new Towers.... but they did just update them 6 months ago... in the past time gaps between towers has been much greater... regardless, I'm wondering how good this is though - because the new iMac is an amazing value. Many people will go for it instead of PowerMac towers.

2) iPhoto is insanely fine...

This really may be the killer app for OS X... imho. seriously - go watch the keynote about it if you missed it... it's amazing...

I always hesitate when I see Apple entering into e-commerce sort of sites... but the overal package of iPhoto is excellent.

arn

[Pants]

am I the only one that is wondering why anyone would buy a tower now?
yeah the iMac is really swish and nice, but it makes the towers look seriously overpriced and underpowered....
Is apple really only interested in consumer machines?? and free consumer apps?

im a little underwhelmed.....

[dw1]

I don't think they lived up to the hype. I was expecting much more. Though the new iMac is pretty revolutionary. How does the CD-ROM work, I missed that part?

All in All - I give it an okay. I'm glad they are selling a lot of the iPods which is impresive given the price point.

[sparkleytone]

you seem to have missed one tiny little detail that alot of people seemed to have missed also.

the new ibook, SIX HOURS of battery life. kthx.

[tpav]

Don't believe the hype is what I'll be thinking next time. I'm very let down. I don't think the new iMac will do very well. Too "spacy" for middle America.

[nerveosu]

must be planning to just come out with G5 next time. the new iBook is cool. With all the pre-show hype i fell somewhat used. OS X default, iPhoto, and the iMac. What was all the crap about going were no PC had ever gone before.

iMac is nice... i hope it catches on. iBooks looks cool too, i might be able to go in debt for one of those.

[gandalf55]

ummm... tons of hype. no towers? they just made the iMac a killer lamp shade but neglected the towers...

- i like the new iBook...
- iPhoto is pretty cool!
- the new iMac looks lame but they will sell tons cause of the price and what it offers
- i wanted more out of this macworld... oh well ;)

[SomeAppleGuy]

I think this is a big disapointment! Apple's new slogan???

THINK CRAP!!!

Its bad enough Apple can't keep a secret. It's even worse their own web site gave it away just hours before the unveiling. It's really bad that the SECRET was crap!! The overal design is not bad. Its got a lot of features. But come on ITS UGLY!!! And I know your all gonna say the more I look the more it will grow on me... BULL S#w%... It should not have to grow on anything. This thing looks like a fake computer replica you might have seen on an old 50s sci-fi movie. (a bad 50s sci-fi movie). Maybe if Apple would get rid of the boring off-white its using on everything it wouldnt look so bad. Or perhaps they are trying to develope a marketing strategy to sell more G4s!! (which should be G5s). I think it will work. After all nobody in my circle of friends would dare put such a peice in their living room. AND I WORK FOR APPLE!!!!

ok im done... now tell me how much you think im wrong!

[arn]

I guess everyone will ge psyched for http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/en/ <- MacWorld Tokyo (Mar 2002)

[groov']

nobody is going to buy towers anymore, at least I am.

I have a G4 400 and it does all the jobs I have to do very well. OSX is not very fast, so I'll stay on OS9 , untill....

Indeed... untill G5 with 2GHZ+ arrives.

Must happen within half a year, iThink.

[BlairMALL]

even though I don't get the hype. The iMac is definitely improved specs wise, but I am very surprised with the lack of improvement with the tower models. My only guess is that they are waiting until the G5. No temporary G4 bump.

This is not beyond the rumors.

[traffic]

the new imac is very impressive for the price.and the design makes me just want to keep looking at it.
iphoto looks absolutely amazing.
finally the day for os X is here.
i don't think apple is going to be a one computer company though.
if not later today , or within the next month, tokyo show, i'd bet on them releasing new towers, superfast g4 or hopefully g5.
my two bits

[gandalf55]

hehe... you work for Apple?

... sure you do ...

[britboy]

compared to the entry-level powermac, the high-end iMac is incredible value! Just $100 more than the powermac, and you get the superdrive, an extra 128 MB ram, pro speakers... who's going to be getting a powermac now?

[atomwork]

As a industrial designer i expected a G5 and way more power in the big towers. The iMac is very pretty and fast as cheap for the middle and low end consumer. However i am sad that Apple didn't upgrated their pro section. Come one. By all love. I don't need a 15" flat screen. I need a 22" and working monster that powers it. A 32MB graphic card. Well. How nice for normal consumer.

Sorry for saying but this macworld was just for the generic crowd they use their copmputers at home for sending small pictures and movies to the friends.

--
Still. Apple rocks!

[erosner32]

you are crazy!!!! the new imac ROCKS!!! it is so new and super that it will once again change the industry....I AM surprised as to why no new towers....why would you buy a G4tower now..?...but APPLE rocks and I love the NEW imac!!!

[crawn03]

I know what you mean about the towers. I look at the iMac and think "woah, now why have I been into towers for so long!" Look at it! It marvelous! It's everything that we want to see from a personal computer!

Anyway, back on topic, Pants the iMac is great! We both know that. What sets the iMac from the Power Mac is expandabillity (I know spelling isn't my strongpoint). PCI won't go into that 10.6 hemisphere since everything else is cramed into it. And you can't put 1.5 gigs of memory in it, or 4 or more harddrives. Or dual processors like the dual 800.

But all in all, who else is saving up and taking the leap?

J.T.2

[paulpod]

Originally posted by SomeAppleGuy
But come on ITS UGLY!!! And I know your all gonna say the more I look the more it will grow on me... BULL S#w%... It should not have to grow on anything. This thing looks like a fake computer replica you might have seen on an old 50s sci-fi movie. (a bad 50s sci-fi movie).
[/B]
you know this is what they said about the old iMac too... turned out not to be true luckily...

[greatm31]

This new deal with the iMac is absolutely incredible. You heard was Jobs said, the equivalent of the high end configuration costed over $4,000 yesterday. With deals like this, the new towers are going to be absolutely incredible, and well worth the wait. I'm sure that Apple will, the next chance it gets, update the Powermac line to the Apollos, and, if we're lucky, the G5. They'll certainly have something before the high-end iMac ships in March.
Just a few more months of rumor-frenzy to go!

[Gus]

Yep. I don't know how to react. I like the iMac's specs, I love iPhoto, but the hype was wrong. This is not such a big deal. Yes, it is a vast improvement over other things, but come on, this should've been possible a long time ago. How long before that swivel arm gets weak and sags? I am usually a very optimistic guy, but they screwed the pooch here. What about the press release about a new device that was NOT a Mac? Sorry, I guess I need some time to get things back into perspective.

Gus

[Pants]

Originally posted by arn
I guess everyone will ge psyched for http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/en/ <- MacWorld Tokyo (Mar 2002)



no they wont - after two major let downs, im giving up on apple (sadly). The hype just doesnt seem to live up to expectation - its one thing when we invent the hype, but when apple promote it? Thats not on......

Teh iMac is nice - except for the cheap graphics card ( a geforce 2 MX is not exactly a quake monster eh? :) )As for the iBook? I actually bought one because of the small size, so the larger screen is no great shakes in my book - the battery is more important, but , really in total, I'm wondering if apple is serious about us tower users....



[Edited by Pants on 01-07-2002 at 03:01 PM]

[Falleron]

For me it was a big let down! The only thing I really interested in was the new towers. I am not prepared to wait for example till march for an imac with a superdrive, or feb for a combo! Todays Towers are expensive for what they are, so what do you do if you need a desktop now???? Apple has a problem there I think!

[evanmarx]

i was also expecting and hoping for faster towers ... but what the heck ... if you check the new price structure, you'll notice (almost printed in bold letters) that the new towers are due to appear next round ... maybe even new cases

the low-end and middle g4 are now pretty overpriced, compared to the new imac, which has amazing hardware specs for that price ... they really want to sell this baby, let's hope it does not "cube"

for the hardware alone i would consider buying that thing, but a XGA lcd is not enough for me ...

let's see how the finish looks in real life ...

[sparkleytone]

i thought it was a GB RAM maximum??? im at the apple store and it only lets me configure it for 768MB RAM. hmmmm.

and the superdrive is in january goodlistenerman.

[reyesg4]

Apple always has to juggle its mhz in all its products. Making the iMac the best value in Macintosh history is OK for a few months until they release the new towers at a press event. Remember, we all know that G4's are now capable of going above 1Ghz and that NVida will make new graphics chips. Put these in a tower with better ram and a bigger bus and maybe dual processors and you have something worth the high price they charge for them. Let the iMac bask in the spotlight for about 3 months like the iBook did. At the price their asking for it, if people still say it is an excellent value, then this will be a great seller.

Personally though, I have no need for a Superdrive because I have no other devices I hook up to my Mac. And Apple making the most expensive mac available only for the next few months so the suckers can buy it and not the cheaper ones will make iMac take twice as long to sell 6 mililion units as the originals did. Not having devices to hook up to the iMac is the biggest downside to asking someone to buy one of these. But, on the other hand, anyone that has bought a tower before last year now can upgrade and be happy with what they get. I think this might spell the end of the pro line if Apple can't keep up speedwise with PC's.

[networkman]

the imac will help apple the business

as for apple for the sake of us hardcore users, it seems like many of us would have wanted a 1 ghz+ g5, but in all fairness, it would only speak to the converted (<4-5%)

apple needs to sweep up some of that 95 percent of the market and most of those people are consumer level and that is just what the imac, and not the g5, is targeted for

i do like the 14" inch screen on the new ibook since the pc world has used the larger screen now on their comsumer laptops for a year now as standard equipment

[amichalo]

Best part about the Key Note is that Apple sold lots of devices and continues to.

The new iMac is awesome - very cool that one can have a computer in the living room or kitchen or bedroom and now hav eto try to hide it away because it is so big and aweful.

[andy_r_boyd]

Thanks to Time Canada we all knew what to expect from Apple, which for me took away most of the expectation surrounding the whole event. As a happy ex Windows user, I was really enjoying the hype running up to the keynote speech, something which is totally unheard of with MS.

But, I was surprised that
a) there was no upgrades to the Tower range, making them look hugely overpriced
b) the iBook got another makeover so soon
c) there was no mention of the TI Powerbook
d) they offered no little extra, the much rumored 'iThing'

I was impressed with iPhoto, but is a boosted iBook and a rather strange looking new iMac really going in direction.

Certainly there is no other company like Apple, great Apps and fantastic hardware, but I can't help but feel a little downbeat. Was anyone else expecting a little more flamboyant?

[buffsldr]

Apple, blew me away. The new iMac is so powerful. Considering the monitor that comes with it is a great value. Totally fits with the digital hub add value campaign. 800 mhz.... you want faster now? Why? What apps specifically can you not use efficiently as is? As demonstrated today by Lucas and others, the present apps lead the community (no not in video games, sorry kiddies, go back to your game boys, errrrr.... peecees for that).

I get the macho part of "MORE POWER", but man, middle america wants to see their grandkids pics, make home movies, burn cds of mixes, do their school work, taxes, and surf the net. The present hardware provides for that in spades and style.

I own a 733 mhz PIII and a MAc G4 466, and I would love to add an iMac with superdrive, it would be such a conversation piece and so powerful.

Finally, I can sleep at nights again dreaming peacefully of my future desk lamp, ooops I mean iMac.

Laters....

[evanmarx]

Originally posted by Falleron
For me it was a big let down! The only thing I really interested in was the new towers. I am not prepared to wait for example till march for an imac with a superdrive, or feb for a combo! Todays Towers are expensive for what they are, so what do you do if you need a desktop now???? Apple has a problem there I think!

whoa whoa ..cool down ... it's the other way round, mate, the high-end imac ships in january, the cheaper on in feb and the cheapest oone in march ... i had to doublecheck too

[sparkleytone]

well, the imac IS indeed strange looking, but i remember my reaction when i first saw an iMac ("ew"). the design is flamboyant, and i really really really think as soon as i get my hands on one of these babies in real life, im gonna sell a kidney.

[arn]

Originally posted by Pants
Originally posted by arn
I guess everyone will ge psyched for http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/en/ <- MacWorld Tokyo (Mar 2002)



no they wont - after two major let downs, im giving up on apple (sadly). The hype just doesnt seem to live up to expectation - its one thing when we invent the hype, but when apple promote it? Thats not on......

[Edited by Pants on 01-07-2002 at 03:01 PM]

Well... it's easy to get caught up in the hype of it all... especially when you have every other person talking of G5's, 2ghz machines, etc... it's easy to get disappointed...

Some guides to how things generally have worked in the past give you someone easier explanations

In the past product lines generally lasted 18 months or so - with minor speed bumps in between. This certainly may have been accellerated in the past few years... but expecting major redesigns every 6months is a bit unrealistic.

That being said, I thought MacWorld Expo NY last summer was a great expo... I was in the market for a G4 Tower, and they dropped the price of the Top end model to the low end and introduced a serious dual processor machine.... and this was only 6 months after them releasing the 733.

As for this expo - there was a lot of Apple spun hype - and I can see why. They've created an 800mhz G4 iMac for $1799. I'm personally not in the market for it - but it's well above and beyond what I expected... you can bet there are those who were in the iMac/low end PowerMac market who are crazy happy about this machine.

I'm a little puzzled that Apple did that without bumping the G4's... but I think that just means the G4 bumps are just around the corner.

arn

[Falleron]

Originally posted by evanmarx
Originally posted by Falleron
For me it was a big let down! The only thing I really interested in was the new towers. I am not prepared to wait for example till march for an imac with a superdrive, or feb for a combo! Todays Towers are expensive for what they are, so what do you do if you need a desktop now???? Apple has a problem there I think!

whoa whoa ..cool down ... it's the other way round, mate, the high-end imac ships in january, the cheaper on in feb and the cheapest oone in march ... i had to doublecheck too

Ok then, my mistake! However, I need a tower + dont intend on buying an imac because I need the expansion! Where does that leave me? Buy a PC??? (Which I dont want)

[gandalf55]

agree to this: right now Apple needs to expand it's market share. Which means new Mac users. Consumers. Apple needs ca$h.

To be honest, I can skate by with my G4 right now until they ramp it up. But I hope they do that very soon. I was hoping that iWalk was real (in any respect), but booo! I was hoping for even a demo of a G5, but booo! I wanted a bigger announcement (Apple brought this hype on themselves - if they suffer some for it, who can you blame?)

Tokyo... let's hope you bring something to us Pro users.

[mstur]

Originally posted by Falleron
For me it was a big let down! The only thing I really interested in was the new towers. I am not prepared to wait for example till march for an imac with a superdrive, or feb for a combo... Todays Towers are expensive for what they are, so what do you do if you need a desktop now????

Then you must be rather HAPPY and not let down ;-)

1. As far as I understood the top iMac2 is available NOW (Jan 02)
2. Better No G4 Towers now, and G5 towers in Feb or Mar !!
If you REALLY need a tower today, get a 800 MHz G4, use it as long as you can bear its sloowwww speeeeeed, rotate to it file or web server function when G5 are available ;-)

Mike

[mcbane]

iMac is good and all but I was extremely disappointed about the lack of a tower upgrade. just wondering if anybody knew about this as I haven't been following apple's release strategy for too long. Does apple ever release speed boosted comps without a big event? like could we see a dual 1.4ghz powermac in the near future or will it not be until the next macworld?

bah and I was really ready to shell over my cash to apple for a new tower. fooey

*edit: btw when is the next macworld?

[beigemac]

I think the new imac's cool like me!

So what do you guys think is the plan for the pro-line?
I was a bit suprised , or r apple toying with the power mac fans. This just makes me wonder if the power macs may debut as a combination of Apollo G4's and G5's. And i still believe a new replacement for the cinema display is on the cards as well.

Well i hope its worth the wait , cause right now i feel like the G4 i have right now (733 superdrive) is like toiletpaper compared to the new Imac. Excuse will i flush my head down the toile!!!

[ob]

I agree no one will buy the towers....not the G4 ones...

but...

I see a few nasty things with the iMac.

-100MHz system bus ;(
-no s-video outputs ;(
-video mirroring on the VGA port, no extended desktop ;(
-1024-by-768-pixel resolution ;(
-Weight: 21.3 pounds (9.7 kg) - fatso!!!

Release schedule?? Superdrive-combo-cdrw why?

Toyko = G5

[mstur]

I wanted a bigger announcement (Apple brought this hype on themselves - if they suffer some for it, who can you blame?)

What did you expect after watching Steve for the last twelve months:

1. He wants always only a SINGLE new product to be presented. Thus, he would NEVER present the new iMac, AND G5, AND a new PDA (if it ever will happen).

2. I think the new iMac is marvelous, better than expected. The cool design, AND G4, AND Superdrive.

This is much much better the iWalk, which was clearly just a hoax ;-)

Mike

[corbin_a2]

Too much hype.

Although I’m not surprised with the announcements made at MacWorld, I’m a little disappointed. This time I think Apple is to blame more then the rumor sites. They really over hyped this event. A flat panel imac was a given and might I say long overdue. And what about the prices? Yeah, it’s a good deal having a G4 and all, but $1299 is still too high for “Joe American.” They should have retained an old “classic imac” at the $799 or $699 level. If you want to steal sales form compact gateway and dell that is ware you want to be.

What about the digital device? What about the underpowered overpriced towers? True Apple did not have to introduce these today, but with all the hype they generated, they should have.

[Falleron]

Then you must be rather HAPPY and not let down ;-)

2. Better No G4 Towers now, and G5 towers in Feb or Mar !!
If you REALLY need a tower today, get a 800 MHz G4, use it as long as you can bear its sloowwww speeeeeed, rotate to it file or web server function when G5 are available ;-)

Mike


*********

The computer is for home use so if I buy a computer now I wont be buying a new one any time soon (2/3 years)!

[britboy]

if you check the apple store, they're still offering the 'classic' iMac with G3 etc, for $799. So Joe America can still get his cheap mac.

[Beej]

Originally posted by corbin_a2
They should have retained an old “classic imac” at the $799 or $699 level.


You can still buy the 500 and 600 MHz models of the old iMacs, starting at $799...

[Paul777]

The iMac is cool.

The spec is way superior to anything we "Really" expected.

If this is the "consumer" offering from Apple for the next few years, then I would say it fits the hype.

This machine is going to take Apple into PC territory Big Time!!


Personally, I took a gamble on this years Macworld & sold my 5 month old G4 450 Cube & 17" CRT Studio Display. I raised the grand sum of £1100 UK pounds (It cost me £1200). I would guess the new High-End iMac will cost me £1500.

So thats £300 for a Superdrive, G4 800 & a 15" TFT.

I'm happy, Real Happy!!!!!!!!!!!

[earblast]

Is he saving something for tomorrow?

[maiku]

I am trying to have an open mind about this... but its very hard.
The ten of us that work at our publishing company are Mac fanatics. We all watched the keynote and when they introduced the new iMac, 9 out of ten of us were on the floor laughing, the (other one was crying)! Are they serious? Is this what consumers want? We all agreed it would be the next Cube. This could very well put them out of business. I seriously doubt if they will sell 6 million of these hockey pucks with a display attached. Then, when they failed to announce new towers, we were ALL crying. Our company was ready to buy 5 new G4s (not to mention the one I was gonna get with my fat Christmas bonus). Guess we'll have to wait. Who would pay $1000 more for a tower with 67mhz faster processor, less RAM and no monitor? Please Apple Marketing Dept. explain this to me. Oh, look, now my Wintel friends (if you could call them that) are sending me hate mail. After work, I am peeling the Mac sticker from my car before I get laughed off the planet.Yea, I guess Apple still rocks (sniff, sniff, trying to dry my tears) but a little less so today... Where's the 1Ghz PPC Steve? Well..... we're stll waiting.....

[The saint]

Did anyone notice that in the summary of all the Apple products at the end of the Keynote the PowerMacs were not listed at all? iBook, TiBook and iMac were all there though. Strange, to say the least. Also did anyone also notice the Adobe guy call Mac OS X OS "ex" rather than "ten", oops!

Anyway. Lie down all those who are "disppointed" and think about the new products. Come on the new iMac is way cool, and iPhoto too. Now I just need to rob a bank!

[arn]

Originally posted by Paul777


Personally, I took a gamble on this years Macworld & sold my 5 month old G4 450 Cube & 17" CRT Studio Display. I raised the grand sum of £1100 UK pounds (It cost me £1200). I would guess the new High-End iMac will cost me £1500.

So thats £300 for a Superdrive, G4 800 & a 15" TFT.

I'm happy, Real Happy!!!!!!!!!!!

:) That was a good gamble...

I read somewhere that someone had sold his Dual 800 in prep for this MacWorld. He is likely very unhappy. :)

I'll admit, I considered it too... - but fortunately, I've still got mine (dual 800)

arn

[amichalo]

Originally posted by Falleron
Ok then, my mistake! However, I need a tower + dont intend on buying an imac because I need the expansion! Where does that leave me? Buy a PC??? (Which I dont want)

What exansion do yo uneed the new iMac can't handle - did I hear *5* USB ports and *2* fiewire - plus Ethernet and airport.

[hwy101]

I'm not an iMac, iBook user -- I'm definately a PowerMac user - I've got a Dual 500, and soon to upgrade to a Dual 800 (I was waiting for this show just to be on the safe side). I don't use iMovie, I use Final Cut Pro 3.0 for OS X, and Maya for OS X.

Todays announcements were not about the power users - they were for the general computer users that Apple is so wisely trying to connect with.

Think back to the original iMac launch -- who bought 'em? Women, students, home users, anybody that thought that they were either "cute", or "sexy". That same type of purchaser will buy these!

I'm not going to buy one of these for myself - it just wouldn't fit the bill -- but for my mom... that's another story! I can see these for my dad, sister, and even for friends. It's a wholesome, yet powerful, and sexy solution. Finally having a G4 in a reasonable price unit, is going to up the ante on the power mark for OS X usage.

As for those people who say that they think towers are in trouble -- all I can say is that they are just frustrated iMac users, using a tower, while they were waiting for this unit to come out... Go buy the iMac, and leave the PowerMac G4's to people who know how to use them...

What am I talking about?

Can you say "PCI SLOTS"? I can't equip my ProTools Audio Studio with iMacs!

Can you say "Dual Monitors"? I can't work as productively with Final Cut Pro using the new iMac!

Can you say "1600x1200"? I can't get the most out of maya in 1024x768!


Don't get me wrong - I think for the office worker, home user, mom, dad, grandparents, etc, who think that "Expanding your system" stops at RAM and an AirPort card, the new iMacs rock!! Finally flat screen, G4 and a reasonable price is great!!


You want a Tower related announcement, wait for New York, and quit your bellyaching!! what a bunch of babies!

[arn]

well said...

Besides - I think many people forget what else was announced at this MacWorld...

Mac OS X standard Boot on all machines (!)

arn

[crassusad44]

For all of you saying the superdrive turbocharged new, lovely, sexy, wonderful and gorgeous iMac will appear in March. Oh no. It comes this January!!!
Apple can't wait untill Tokyo to release new models. They can't sell a $1800 iMac with 800 MHz, 15" LCD and SuperDrive and a $1700 PM 733 G4, no LCD and CDRW for OVER a month. I have to say I'm dissappointed over todays speech. I wanted to order a new tower today, but I'm quite sure Apple will release new PowerMacs soon. Good old Steevie migth suffer from RDF (Reality Disortion Field), but he ain't stupid. I hope... :)


I WANT A NEW TOWER NOOOOOOOOOOOOW!

Oooops, sorry 'bout that

[5]

don't you speed crybabies realize that time will cure your problem . . . we will in due time have a major bump in speed - it is inevitable . . . pros will get what we need . . .

but in the meantime - steve has changed the debate for everyone else from speed to "what can i do" w/ my pc . . . this is what makes apple so special . . . and if you aren't psyched to be a part of it . . . you know what you can go buy . . .

[amichalo]

Originally posted by ob
I see a few nasty things with the iMac.
-100MHz system bus ;(
-no s-video outputs ;(
-video mirroring on the VGA port, no extended desktop ;(
-1024-by-768-pixel resolution ;(
-Weight: 21.3 pounds (9.7 kg) - fatso!!!

Ar eyou aware that the iMac is the ENTRY LEVEL Mac? Did you want them to ONLY sell one system (at the price of the pro line)?

[Paul777]

Thanks arn!

I love iMovie & with the option to burn to DVD it's ideal for me.

p.s. congrats on the excellent coverage!!! (so far....)

[Guest]

Hi-

Does one need a compatible camera to use iPhoto? or can i just transfer photos from my 'incompatible' camera to disk and then import into iPhoto?

[Falleron]

Originally posted by amichalo
Originally posted by Falleron
Ok then, my mistake! However, I need a tower + dont intend on buying an imac because I need the expansion! Where does that leave me? Buy a PC??? (Which I dont want)

What exansion do yo uneed the new iMac can't handle - did I hear *5* USB ports and *2* fiewire - plus Ethernet and airport.

pci cards!!!

[corbin_a2]

I did not know that… I wonder how long they will be around?


P.S. $699 or even $599 would have been big news for me.

[eyelikeart]

I definitely don't think it was worth all the hype....they made it seem like it was going to be the 2nd coming!

I do really like the new iMacs though. The new iMac is the most inventive & unique looking computer I've ever seen! I want one really badly, but honestly just don't need it. I have my PowerBook G4 with does everything I've ever asked it to do. The iMacs are priced so reasonably for what u get: 700-800 Mhz G4, 15" LCD, DVD-RW/CD-RW, speakers, all of it!

I think since we are seeing a bump in display size with the iBook that we'll soon see a major speed increase, and hopefully a new PowerBook.

I've already downloaded iPhoto but haven't been able to really get into it yet. From what I've seen of it I think it'll be a great way to be able to view from a picturebox perspective.

I'm pretty happy...but still trying to figure out why they hyped it so much....the iMac is quite amazing, but didn't think it was worth a week of hype from Apple...

[Paul777]

UK prices are as follows

£1149.00 - CDRW

£1299.00 - Combo

£1599.00 - Superdrive

Damn fair is all I can say!!

[elgruga]

The new Imac is a perfect machine for offices and homes.
Small and LCD - most people wont even notice the round thing, they will just see the screen with a keyboard in front.

Is it ugly or pretty? Dont know, dont care. Thats a subjective issue and isnt worth discussing.

If Time magazine has it on the cover, and with this iPhoto/digital hub hype - its going to be a very big seller.

Its a great deal, its got all you need to do most things, and its easy to drop onto a desk and work.

Its a HUGE improvement over the old one, and it will sell BIG.

As for all you "Pro" users: well, are you going to quit work because all you have to work with right now is a 22" screen and an 800 mhz G4? I dont think so.

The server/big iron biz isnt exactly booming right now, so Apple is getting the bucks from where the spending never stops: The average consumer.

This imac is going to do it, and the low price on the iBooks will really get sales up.

Think about it: $1199 for the low-end iBook - compare that to the price of a Newton 2100 3 or so years ago.

$1299 for this new imac in March - our company will buy 4 of them to replace the old imac just because they are so much easier on peoples eyes and so much less desk space.

Screw the hype/letdown syndrome - this is a good day for Apple, and a good day to be an Apple user.

Pity about the iWalk, tho........!

[old_machead]

Look, I have been as excited (and sleepless) as anyone waiting for today's huge announcements. And this iMac is stylish - but this is hardly revolutionary. After the dust started settling, we all have had to look at what is here - and there is nothing here that doesn't already readily exist in several forms - Flat Panel, 60 GB HD, Gig of Ram, last year's low end GeForce - even printing photo albums in hardcover books - this has even been available online for a long time.

Maybe the iPhoto software is better (and obviously cheaper) that many other packages? The hardware certainly is shaped differently - ok... To call this computer upgradeable is a stretch though - maybe processor or ram and hard drive, but as we have found out in these all-in-one-units, when one thing goes wrong, the whole thing goes in for repair - you can't just swap a different monitor out when something happens - or likely even a network card in this case.

I feel like I am throwing water all over these "big" announcements, but at the end of the day, I guess I just see a funky new case design, and, well, not a whole lot more.

[ob]

Originally posted by amichalo
Originally posted by ob
I see a few nasty things with the iMac.
-100MHz system bus ;(
-no s-video outputs ;(
-video mirroring on the VGA port, no extended desktop ;(
-1024-by-768-pixel resolution ;(
-Weight: 21.3 pounds (9.7 kg) - fatso!!!

Ar eyou aware that the iMac is the ENTRY LEVEL Mac? Did you want them to ONLY sell one system (at the price of the pro line)?

You think the getting more that the above are pro-specs??

I think getting better than the above are very reasonable things to want.

[h8teiris]

That imac is a flop, Apple is crazy, we want real stuff, ata 133, 1 + ghz, 100gig hard drive, 2 gig of ram, a pda, OSX on intel, 64 mb video, I’m so sick of this crap, "be prepared to be blown a way" ? What a let down!

[MacNut]

its clear that Steve Jobs wasnt going to let anything get in the way of his new desk top lamp ur uh imac. So with that why would he relsase the new towers now to steal the imacs thunder. So my guess is that we will see either new G4s or a G5 in 45 days in japan. Its not that long off besides he needs something big to premere their

[amichalo]

Originally posted by Guest
Hi-

Does one need a compatible camera to use iPhoto? or can i just transfer photos from my 'incompatible' camera to disk and then import into iPhoto?

I donwloaded iPhoto and have already used it efortlessly with a Fuji FinePix 2400Zoom. Just plug in the USB and it does the rest - very well I might add!

[spikey]

the imac offers great value.
Ofcourse the hype was exaggerated, thats what hype does. And its your own fault, not apples. You got a great value imac from this expo, with a G4 processor.

Those of you wanting towers might be dissapointed but just be happy apple has got a new and good imac out. It looks kool and is versatile, those of you complaining about the shape should shut the **** up, what more do you expect from a designer? Its compact, neat, versatile, useful and in the flesh it will not look like its made of cheap plastic, remember you moaning of the boring design ipod until you saw it in the flesh.

To the knob that spoke about sending pictures on the imac, you are an uneducated ****. I have friends in publishing that use imacs and i know that this is what they would want and need, dont look down on imac users in your egotisitcal way, just because you own/use a powermac doesnt mean you are any better than them. Infact your last post proved you are below them in every way. Go home, if you really think that then you are a sad nob who knows nothing about the world around you. Get out, get laid, get a life. and try to expand your knowledge enough so that you realise your life is a waste.

Why is it after every macworld people, normally guests, zealots or new users get dissapointed after getting wet dreams over it the night before. What the hell pleases you people??? you got a G4 imac with LCD display which rotates, tilts, rises, preloaded with OSX, 40Gb HD.

[5]

:)

[no_time_to_register]

quote

A flat panel imac was a given and might I say long overdue. And what about the prices? Yeah, it?s a good deal having a G4 and all, but $1299 is still too high for ?Joe American.? They should have retained an old ?classic imac? at the $799 or $699 level. If you want to steal sales form compact gateway and dell that is ware you want to be.

----------------------

while i think that many would agree with you that apple still needs a sub-$1000 computer to get consumers to make the switch, especially in today's not-so-great economy, i think it's important to acknowledge this:

no offense to us all, but consumers as a whole behaves very much like a dog. once it knows what i can get away with, it will always demand more for less. part of the reason other pc manufacturers produce such sub-par products is that they give in to the will of the consumer to want this and that for an $X amount of dollars. once that is done, consumers expects and believes that it's possible and even out-right the duty of the manufacturer to turn around something even better in 6 months for the same, if not less, amount of dollars.

apple, on the other hand, is about the whole experience and the quality of owning the product. it's always easy to copy the competition, but it's much harder to invest the time and money into creating something new. design and innovation is hard work, and those who spent due time creating products that we love should be rewarded.

i know, i know, people will say "but it's not the designers and engineers who are directly being rewarded..." well, yes i know that they are not directly being rewarded. we don't live in a perfect world. but i feel that it's important to acknowlege the worth of a better product when it is deserved. by no means, i am not saying that consumer ought to fork out whatever amount of money apple thinks it deserves, but i do believe that apple doesn't deserve the same price-haggling mentality that plagues every other pc manufactuers.

thanks for reading ;)

[Pants]

Sounds like Spikey has a bad case of towering penis envy... ;)

[britboy]

it seems as though this new design will make is prettye easy for apple to offer bigger screen sizes at a later date, without having to re-design any of the basic elements of this new imac. Personally i think it's way cool. Could well become my next desktop...

[Paul777]

I'm with the prickly guy.

[i dont want a desk lamp]

the imac might look nice and fluffy but u cant really expand it and i think it look like an over priced lamp besides how does that go beyond the rumors?? we have been predicting this for months now i want to see power not 800mhz g4 over and over again

[reyesg4]

The first iMac was 233mhz G3, it had the powermacs low end chip in it. It took two speedbumps for the original one to be a obselete. The same might happen in a year and a half for this one.

The lowest mac right now is the 500mhz G3, Apple is already asking for a 400mhz G3 as a minimum speed for iPhoto. APPLE DOES NOT CARE ABOUT USERS WITH OLDER MACS! The minimum will always be 100mhz lower than the slowest Mac they sell. At this rate, next years minimum requirement will be 800mhz mac, if not a G4. This stinks.

Apple will not even try to compete with sub $1,000 PC's.

It will take about 9 months for Apple to come out with the new Tibook, new tower, new OS, new digital device and speedbumbps on ibooks.

Thats a lot for one company, unfortunatly we are comparing them to the PC world were many come out with new products for one OS.

[spikey]

Originally posted by h8teiris
That imac is a flop, Apple is crazy, we want real stuff, ata 133, 1 + ghz, 100gig hard drive, 2 gig of ram, a pda, OSX on intel, 64 mb video, I’m so sick of this crap, "be prepared to be blown a way" ? What a let down!

I hope for your sake that was sarcasm, or you have just made a fool of yourself in this forum.
OSX on intel? do you know how difficult that would be to pull off never mind keep up to date?
PDA? good idea!, lets enter a pda into a market which we havent a clue the future of. That market is going downhill.
the rest of what you said was for a powermac i assume.

From what you said i can tell, you have no knowledge of computing, no knowledge of economics, and you are probably in your early teens.

[MacNut]

the imac might look nice and fluffy but u cant really expand it and i think it look like an over priced lamp besides how does that go beyond the rumors?? we have been predicting this for months now i want to see power not 800mhz g4 over and over again

[traffic]

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i think that new powermacs and displays will be released in february.
makes sense to me.

marketing 101
why would apple want to take way the focus from the new imac. consumers now.
pros a little later.
apple desperately needed to update their imacs now and thats what they did. powermacs can wait a month.

[jvreede]

Steve finishes his presentation (perfect streaming connection here in Holland btw). I go to the Apple site and immediately get to download the new Iphoto App... Within minutes I have replicated all the demo stuff...
Adding all my photo's now... from a harddrive location and from my canon camera (without every having to install drivers...)

Only thing that is too bad: I have to have a US shipping address to order the photo's...

But this is how it should be, fast simple and reliable...

WOW!

[amichalo]

How awesome to be able to swivle your monitor in and out of your field of view and off your desk? I dont' know about your cubes, but mine is always cluttered, even with a tower on the floor. the footprint of the device is great. I agree that there will be monitor size options in the future, but even better would be to extend this design to all displays, allowing Pro users to enjoy the ergonomic advantages, and have their beloved towers with PCI expansion.

[h8teiris]

What, this is why I hate this kind of stuff, just because you don’t like my post you have to call me a little kid , you tell me how economic sound it is to make a $1300 lamp, and try to tell me it took 2 years to make , then try to justify the top of the line model at $1800, give me a break. I mealy looked at what the majority of the past posts were looking for and had dreamed of. You are just one of the old school "apple can do now wrong" type of people. So go make fun of me, and pretend your high and might , with your star bucks , I don’t care, I could do much better with my $1800! , And soon you will see osx on Intel, it will not be a hard as you thing to port a bsd kernel to Intel, or just emulate cpu instructions in a new micro kernel.

[Edited by h8teiris on 01-07-2002 at 04:01 PM]

[Gus]

Yes, it is amazing. iPhoto is amazing also, but only if I own a $300+ camera made by specific vendors and a digital video camera, and an iPod, etc. This digital hub idea is great, but to take advantage of it, you have to buy another $1000-$1500 worth of stuff. How about the cheap digital devices like the JamCams of the world. People (read: ordinary folks with a budget) can't afford an expensive camera AND a new iMac. This is the only real flaw I see with this new strategy. Besides, all of the DVDs I have made with iDVD for my family are still sitting on my shelf, because it does them no good without a DVD player that they don't own.

My 2 cents.

gus

[MacNut]

If u havent already realized apple is not going to make a pda they virtually call palm the apple pda anyways why would apple have bothered to make software for palm if they intended to make their own pda it wouldnt make sense

[spikey]

By the way, thanks paul777. i couldnt find those prices.

indeed, word up....... how english of me.

Macnut you are a whining little gimp. what the hell makes you think the imac is about expandability.

[eyelikeart]

u can import photos into iPhoto by either already having them on your hard drive or if u can scan them in...

u don't have to have just a digital camera to use it....that would have been dumb!

[Paul777]

The US & UK are hanging on the brink of a major recession. The only thing saving the economy is the fact that consumers are spending (albeit on credit cards).


People are gonna go mad for this iMac. Can you imagine the cheek of Apple in saying "Were gonna ship the expensive one first because we know it's gonna sell."

SJ is a very wise, shrewd man.



"We are not worthy" (Wayne - Wayne's World)

[Stike]

Some things are rather annoying.
I hoped for my Kodak DC240 DigiCam to work with iPhoto, because it didn´t work with ImageCapture.
It sucked.

Error message: "Could not find /users/.../pictures/iPhoto Library/2002/07/01" or something like it.
Great Software.

The new iMac is cool, however as I saw the German Prices it made me feel sick. Converted to US$ the price for the Superdrive iMac in Germany is $ 2280!
(source: german applestore)
How can this difference be explained?

And I too need a tower, in the meantime I´ve 2 Harddisks floating around, and a new iMac can´t take them...

[Paul777]

Just read your last post Spikey!!!

How very English, Indeed!

[Durandal7]

The G5 must be coming at MYTKY.I don't think that Apple would put a G4 in their consumer models at the same speeds as the pro models if the G5 wasn't coming at MWTKY. The new iMac rocks. Everyone should stop bitching about the iMac unless they happen to own one and have good reason to. I take the fact that there is no new towers to mean that something very fast is around the corner and Apple didn't have the chips ready for this time. As far as I'm concerned the iMac is a truly amazing feat of engineering. A 10" dome that holds everything including the power supply and audio hardware, that's pretty impressive.

[Edited by asurace on 01-07-2002 at 04:26 PM]

[trilogic]

Originally posted by MacNut
the imac might look nice and fluffy but u cant really expand it and i think it look like an over priced lamp ...

What do you want to expand? This is a computer for consumers. If you want to expand buy a Tower. And most of the G4-Tower-Users haven't got anything more inside than RAM, Airport and maybe a second HD.

[trilogic]

I think this new iMac can make its way into the LIVINGROOM. And this is a place that no PC has gone before.

[kaneda]

Okay, I was hoping for the new towers...I really don't care about imac. I need something that I can work with graphics and 3D animation. I guess they can't go more than 867 mhz. Pentium is coming out 2.2 ghz pretty soon.

Is apple abandoning professional designers? and go for more regular consumers?

I guess I should switch to PC...faster and cheaper.

[maiku]

I just looked at the back of the new iPuck...uh iMac.
Where is the re-set button? Do you mean to tell me they have added a feature that makes it unnecessary for you to re-set your iMac two, three times a day? Wow that's cool! Now I guess you just reach around the BACK (ergonomic huh?) and hit the power button when it craps out on you. Definitely worth the hype! And if you believe that, I got a brand new power mac, loaded, I mean loaded with an 867mhz processor, superdrive, and a whopping 128megs of RAM. Just enough to run OS X! At the low low low price of $2599. (Sorry, monitor and modem not included) But you get a fancy keyboard and OPTICAL mouse!
(Sorry, speakers not included) And did I mention software......

[Brent Turbo]

10 PRINT "OSX will never be ported to Intel"
20 GOTO 10
RUN

This BASIC program may help get the message across.

"And soon you will see osx on Intel, it will not be a hard as you thing to port a bsd kernel to Intel, or just emulate cpu instructions in a new micro kernel."

If it's not hard, then snap to it! I mean, it's gotta be tremendously easy to port an operating system that was made with a specific chip in mind to another chip achitecture, and make all of the software compatible. Not to mention make it compatible with the 10's of thousands of motherboards, video cards and junk add-ons for the PC. Then you wave your magic wand and somehow make all of the software compatible with x86 instructions. I expect you could have this done by the end of the week.

[corbin_a2]

I think that it is very important for Apple to respond to the low-end costumer. Yes the new imac is cool, but they need to keep the current one (a classic model if you will) and lower the price to $599. You must remember in order to take advantage of all the great technology you must have all the gadgets: digital video camera, digital still camera, DVD player, printer and so on. They all cost money. If Apple wants to be your digital hub then it must also offer a low-end low price digital hub. A low-end imac could do that. Say 500mhz 15gb 128ram for $599. If marked right, that might get the masses to join in on Apples digital hub idea. Once in they might learn to love it and move up to that flat panel model. I thought Apple wanted more market share? This would mean more market share.

Some one else stated that Apple still has the old imac at $799. But for how long? And it is still too high. If Jobs said “and we are lowering are low-end model to $599”, would that not been news?

[razoné]

Apple Computer***Markt: ...Nasdaq Europe* +25.53 %

Though, i'm so dissapointed....I want a g5 and a cinema display at half the price!*

[reyesg4]

Not many people like Apple products on the day they are announced. When you get to play with them and see that they are way faster than anything you have owned you will like it even more. The iMac is not meant to be expanded in any way. In fact, I think Apple wants to make PCI cards extinct. Its not like it is impossible to make any hardware available now work with firewire/usb/airport. All you need is enough bandwidth/speed.

Apple has created a consumer computer that NO OTHER PC COMPANY can copy! They copied the original iMac but they will NEVER be able to copy this and make money.

As for the G5, don't hold your breath, look for the next Jan Macworld for that. Apple always takes it's time with these things.

[GPTurismo]

I will say this. Everyone here at work is excited about the new imacs. Also, it was way beyond the rumors because it was more of a change to the design than we expected, and would have been totally shocked except time screwed it up.

Also,you buy a tower for expandability. End of story.

I thought it was nice. iPhoto is Grande, and I would like to get a new iMac just because they are totally awesome.

[Falleron]

Ok then, who is going to order a new imac??

[blakespot]

Note the lack of L3 cache on the new iMacs. When comparing then with PowerMacs, keep that in mind (also note that the PowerMac 733 lacks L3 cache).


blakespot

[macintoshX]

I think that it is very important for Apple to respond to the low-end costumer. Yes the new imac is cool, but they need to keep the current one (a classic model if you will) and lower the price to $599. You must remember in order to take advantage of all the great technology you must have all the gadgets: digital video camera, digital still camera, DVD player, printer and so on. They all cost money. If Apple wants to be your digital hub then it must also offer a low-end low price digital hub. A low-end imac could do that. Say 500mhz 15gb 128ram for $599. If marked right, that might get the masses to join in on Apples digital hub idea. Once in they might learn to love it and move up to that flat panel model. I thought Apple wanted more market share? This would mean more market share.





I think that corbin_a2 hit it on the head we need a real consumer imac. $599 hell $499!!! Apple has an established high end now establish a low end! A low imac will do that!!!

[Passing Through]

I'm am just appaled at all the narrow minded comments on this thread. You dismiss the iMac because it competes with the towers?!

Let's put this into proper perspective: Currently there is NO consumer model that will provide the feature set, horsepower, and overall functionality that the iMac will to the average consumer. THAT is why this is revolutionary. Just to buy a stand alone DVD burner would cost around $700--and that is w/o any software. Apple has raised the bar in both design, presentation, and functionality and the PC world is now firmly lagging behind us in technology.

If you are upset about the iMac competing with towers, don't be. Hard core users (professional graphic artists, video producers, etc.) will always need a more robust and easily modifiable computer than what the iMac provides. As a professional in the video field I can tell you that the iMac is nice, but it doesn't meet all of my needs.

This event was not a let down--Apple has finally delivered a product that will tempt PC users to make the switch. And isn't that what all Apple fans want? To have the best product on the market? Let's see Dell try to copy this consumer portable!

[samy85114]

Exactly, nothing beyond rumors....

We all knew for this new iMac... this keynote wasn,t so awesome as i expected, i was so excited this morning when I got up. So, I don't understand why they were promoting this keynote as a really big one... My tought is, this one was a little bit more big but not that big! I've not been so impressed at all.

Then, I'm waiting for a New Powermac G4 or G5... i'm not gonna buy these things, they are really great but... anyway I want a tower, nothing else.
And please a G5... and soon!

[Timothy]

There IS method to this madness! :-)

There are 2 distinct markets that Apple has to deal with.

The Geeks
One of the markets is us...the geeks who pay attention everytime SJ sneezes. All Apple had to do to overhype us was to whisper that there will be a new release at this MW. We are all poised, watching, waiting, and anticipating. We love the hype. We seek after it. And when it's not there, we create it.

Everyone Else
The rest of the world does not pay much attention, at all, to the hype of the computer world. Apple could have released 3 ghz towers today, and outside of the geeks, no one would have paid attention. The success of the iMac (and Apple) is closely tied to catching the attention of Everyone Else. And, that was the reason for the "hype."

The Science of Hype
The level of hype that has had us up all night, chatting furiously on this site (btw, great site!), will barely make much of a notice in the real world, where it needs to be seen and heard. I guarantee that if I got on the phone right now and called my mom, she will not have any clue that Apple just released a new iMac. The Hype is needed to get above the din of everyday stuff, and to reach the target market for the iMac. It will take weeks before even a 10th of the "market" for the iMac is aware that it exists.

Face it, WE always want more. I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to feeding into and creating the hype. I GET the digital world, and anticipate what my future will be in such a world on a daily basis. Am I dissapointed? Yes. As I've mentioned (and will continue to lobby for) I want a NEWTON. This is only one in a series of Macworlds that hasn't delivered on my needs. But, I also recognize the REALITY of business.

The iMac Rox!
Even though I am not the target market for the iMac...I recognize that for ITS target, the iMac is a great computer. And, we need to help sell that to those of our associates who are not geeks, and who look to us to help them make their buying decision. I can in good faith recommend this computer to those of my friends and family who are not tech savvy, and who just want an incredible easy, intuitive, and beautiful computer to use.

Staying on Message
In the vortex of hype, we all tend to forget the fundamentals. Apple has shown that it understands how to package a message, stay true to that message, and still innovate at a dizzying rate. If you look over the past year, they have released some remarkable things. Sure, 6 months seems like an eternity to us, but in hindsight, and to the rest of the world, Apple has accomplished great things. And, they will continue to do so...

Now, let's start hyping the next event. I hear there's a rumor about a new Newton? :-)

Happy Computing!

[kaneda]

Okay, lcd imac has been a rumors for about a year. When it didn't release at the MWYC. Everyone was dissappointed. 6 months later Apple released an LCD imac. Apple is 6 months late!

Everyone is dissappointed that G4 didn't get to ghz. By summer Steve Jobs will fulfill your wish again. couldn't they just release it now and make everyone happy...

[Stike]

That darn iPhoto won´t even load my .jpg´s! What´s wrong with the program? It keeps looking for folders sorted after the date of the file in the pictures folder!?

[mcbane]

everybody seems to be going on about how the towers got a boost 6 months ago, but don't you recall the imacs did as well? I personally hope the apollo g4 chips that can get speeds above 1ghz are meant for future iMac upgrades and the next tower we see will have a g5 with maybe the top model a dual 1.6ghz. I really hope it is within the next 2-3 months like at macworld tokyo.

btw, does anybody know if apple tends to make big announcements at macworld tokyo?

[ors23]

Does anyone know what the integrals joke that the guy from Mathematica made in the keynote? I couldn't read it.

[Kethoticus]

Beyond the rumor sites? Way beyond?? *WAY* beyond??? To go where no PC has gone before?? Someone in Apple marketing determined that they were going to lie to the public. That's the only possible answer to me.

I am thoroughly unimpressed with the new iMac. It looks ridiculous. Why can't they come out with something that looks like IBM's Netvista or one of those mock designs we've seen on the web, where the whole machine's locked into the flat panel monitor?? This thing does look like a modified lamp, as a few have suggested, some supposedly stylish thing out of the 60s.

And yes, the thing should be expandable. The only thing this machine offers that a comparable consumer-level PC doesn't is the superdrive. Oh wait... Compaq also offers one in an $1,800 system (although that machine did get rather poor reviews for DVD recording). But for HALF that money, I can get a machine that has PCI expansion, graphics expansion (you can actually REMOVE the graphics card from its AGP slot and--get this--put in a NEW one!). Yes, I know it comes with Windows, but who cares? The anti-Windows hype I see in here comes from ignorance. For consumers, it really ain't that bad.

And iPhoto. Whoopty-frickin-doo. I know Apple has more to announce, possibly tomorrow. I know it. This can not be it. I mean, here we are expecting new G4s--some, new G5s--and we don't get either one! No gigawire (whatever that was), no DDR-RAM upgrades in the towers, no 1394b, nuttin'.

The damn platform is now stuck at 867MHz, and that, for $2,500. Sorry, but for all the subjective complaints about OSes, you get a helluva lot more for you money when you buy a PC, at least twice the price/performance ratio.

Yes, I know that with MS, you have all the BS subscription crap now. I'll tell ya, that and Final Cut Pro are the only things keeping me from jumping ship. I can't even get a damn G4 upgrade faster than 500Mhz, and they're available for far, far more money than a comparable, 2-year old Pentium or AMD upgrade. The Mac world is pathetic.

Okay you religious Mac-worshippers, flame away at my blasphemy.

[mischief]

jezuz! Expect the damn moon whydoncha! Step back and look at Apple's pattern: MWSF: consumer, March 15th: late Pro or software updates,May: OS updates, MWNY: Pro updates, 4th quarter: holiday toys.

I'd like to see one of you whiney gits run a competative and innovative company that successfully competes with the largest corps in HISTORY, while re-defining the industry AND doing the whole thing IN HOUSE. Personally I like the new iMac, it fits my needs. I use a G4 at work and have been looking for a G4 solution to do freelance stuff on for a year without having to sell organs to pay for it. $60.00 US per month for a 800 G4 with a superdrive, real graphics card, 512Mb, OS X, 60 Gb; Hell yes. I have a Rev D iMac at home that takes up more space than I would. An iMac with basically NO footprint that my wife's willing to allow in the main rooms? Priceless.

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by dw1
I don't think they lived up to the hype. I was expecting much more. Though the new iMac is pretty revolutionary. How does the CD-ROM work, I missed that part?

All in All - I give it an okay. I'm glad they are selling a lot of the iPods which is impresive given the price point.



The news is power at a low price and with a unique form.

The news is integration.

The news is value added apps. Its not just about iron. But iron is what makes it possible, fast, multi-tasked, at a low price and wireless.

G4 imac is power.

But I remind the Mac faithful, this is MAC World and it was rescheduled because he has another announcement tomorrow at CES. A general interest announcement, not to the Mac faithful alone.

This increases the likelihood of G5 MWNY.

Rocketman

[Cybin]

Man I feel I got screwed. I've been waiting to upgrade and I still have to wait. The imac is cool but without any PCI slots it's a post modern lamp to me.

They could have at least given a date for the new towers or at least their specs..... something, anything.


-cybin

[reyesg4]

Some people will never be satisfied until you can buy the high end pro Mac for less than a thousand bucks. Anyone that does not like the speed/value of the new iMac and has a pre-G3 at home that they spent $1000 more than the high-end iMac is just crazy. Anyone complaining that the current G4's are not enough and they do their work on a bondi-blue iMac are nuts! Find what you need out of a computer and get the best one for the job. Anyone that does desktop publishing should be happy now that any computer that Apple sells is more than enough for someone willing to wait 10 seconds for large photoshop filters. Lets face it, we are getting to the point were any photoshop filter will be done in real-time. If your pre-G3 Mac made it this long without upgrading, imagine how long it will last now that you can do pro-video work with it. If all you need it for is music and page layout, then the new iMac is all you will need, hell, the old iMac is all you ever needed.
I have a blue & white G3-350DVD that does everything I need to do but I will get a new iMac just because I can do everything faster and because I did not get a cube when it came out. The towers fans are too loud for me since I spend alot of time working at night and all i hear is that damn fan. Plus there is nothing that I would need a PCI slot for.

[Crusty Bob]

For those who deride the new iMac as a toy and that "serious" users need towers, think again. I have made my living on the Mac since the 80's and I now do all my graphics and video production on a G4 Powerbook and am very happy to be rid of big boxes, big monitors and all of that.... I have a 60GB Firewire drive that I plug in when needed. With Firewire (2 ports on the new iMac) and USB (3 ports on the iMac), and now an internal DVD burner, very few people have a need for a big tower and especially expansion slots. We needed those big towers back when my old 40mHz Quadra 840AV was brand new and it seemed like anything you wanted to do required buying and installing yet another card, but that's last century's technology and we have a better, cheaper and faster way of doing it now.

[j763]

Think about the bigger picture for Apple the company. Why would they want to release stuff for the pros (apple converted) ahead of the average consumer??? For sales + marketing, the new iMac is great. Apple will gain market share with this one, and you'll get your towers - a bit of patience...


I think it was overhyped but the new iMac is still great news for apple.

[Crusty Bob]

Lots of whining once again about no PCI slots. I'm curious, what are all you people putting in those slots? As a Mac pro I'm glad to be rid of the need for them.

[mcbane]

also, can the pro line really go an entire year without a single upgrade? it seems unheard of.

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by britboy
compared to the entry-level powermac, the high-end iMac is incredible value! Just $100 more than the powermac, and you get the superdrive, an extra 128 MB ram, pro speakers... who's going to be getting a powermac now?

People who need the expansion for vertical applications.

The thing I always find amusing about rumor sites is each person posts anbout personal preferences as if all Apple has to do is come out with every little bleeding edge innovation. At some point it is a multi-billion dollar company trying to focus its ustomers on products it can mass-manufacture., Apple is at least superior at delivering featuritis with a strong useability element.

This is a telling release. It reduses (again) the variety of options of computers while raising the bar of entry systems to a level technically higher than the Pro systems.

The next pro release should at least be interesting, if not astounding.

Rocketman.

Apple servers, ship to me.

[sauria]

I think the iMac is cool and they will make money for Apple -- this will only help make the G5 awesome.

[amichalo]

Originally posted by Brent Turbo
...I mean, it's gotta be tremendously easy to port an operating system that was made with a specific chip in mind to another chip achitecture, and make all of the software compatible. Not to mention make it compatible with the 10's of thousands of motherboards, video cards and junk add-ons for the PC. ...

Porting OS X to Intel is not as hard as porting OS 9 or earlier - it is significantly easier.

The reason? Well the BSD Kernel can be recompiled for the Intel Chip (is already available I should say), and because BSD abstracts the hardware layer, all the existing BSD drivers for IDE drives, scanners, etc. should work with little or no effort on Apple's part.

A bigger issue is that one would have to recompile applications, such as Office v.X, to run on OS Xi or whatever an Intel version may be called. But CDs are cheap so even if you couldn't get both versions on one disc, publishers could easily distribute both. And there isn't much to recompiling a well written application.

[ob]

Originally posted by Crusty Bob
Lots of whining once again about no PCI slots. I'm curious, what are all you people putting in those slots? As a Mac pro I'm glad to be rid of the need for them.

I consider myself a prouser too and the only reason for PCI slots is maybe for Pro-tools or video.

FW hard drives are still only 7200 rpm and you can get "pro" ULTRA160 scsi drives that run at 15000 rpm big buck though.

And if you are a pro user that you can afford to shell out the big bucks everytime an upgrade comes around.

[bradbomb]

I know everyone is pissed about the towers, but I think there is a sign that they still might be announced this week. When you go to the apple store and look at the new iMac, or the iBook, or the PowerBook, you'll see in the list of apps included where iTunes is listed that iPhoto has been added also. However, on the tower page, the bottom part has not been updated. Even the old iMac listings were updated to list iPhoto which could mean that they soon plan to change that section anyway with a different model. We might yet see GHz G4s or G5s, probably G4s.

[mcbane]

I have an extra video card in one of the PCI slots so I can have dual monitors, I also have a SCSI card which I use just about everyday. Those two things alone are very important to me. I was also under the impression that you can't really replace the video card in the imac, and a geforce2 MX, although very nice, is not exactly top of the line, especially with nvidia announcing the geforce4 this month.

As for design, I personally prefer something that stands out and really seems to have some substance, although this is the least important aspect to me. Don't get me wrong though, I am a supporter of the new imac design, and I may just talk my mother into getting one for herself as she is not too tech savy.

[Ozymandias]

I'm satisfied. While the iMac wasn't as groundbreaking as one could hope for, it was undoubtedly cool. The coolest part of the presentation, though, was iPhoto. The ideas implemented in iPhoto are so simple, and yet: When I think of it, I've never before seen an application that combines all of these ideas in one package.

[mischief]

I can just see some of you folks at a car show: " What? If Mercedes isn't going with repulsive collision avoidance, I'm going back to horses!!"

[Kethoticus]

...I appreciate your thoughts and the intelligent way you expressed them. But I must disagree with some of your points.

"Everyone Else

The rest of the world does not pay much attention, at all, to the hype of the computer world. Apple could have released 3 ghz towers today, and outside of the geeks, no one would have paid attention. The success of the iMac (and Apple) is closely tied to catching the attention of Everyone Else. And, that was the reason for the 'hype.'"

No. Apple themselves said, "Beyond the rumor sites. Way beyond." That message was aimed at us, the "geeks", as you say.

"Sure, 6 months seems like an eternity to us, but in hindsight, and to the rest of the world, Apple has accomplished great things."

6 months *IS* an eternity in Computerland, my friend. And for a company that has experienced shrinking market share (down to around 3+% from 5+% two years ago), they need to do "amazing things", truly amazing, not the nonsense they released at this Expo.

[Guest]

So, is Steve speaking at CES tomorrow?

If he is, we should expect a rehash of what was said today. Nothing major new.

I think they rescheduled the keynote because of the Time article/cover.

[Nipsy]

Top End Pentuim 4 == Corvette
-stunning numbers, not the most expensive, but made of plastic, and for the masses

Dual Top End Athlon == Lotus
-very fast, but spends alot of time in the shop, and doesn't have quite the history or following that Corvette does

Dual 800 G4 == Porsche
-it's fast, but is doesn't have twelve cylinders, prancing horses, or NASCAR acceptance. It quietly does its thing, and once you buy one, you'll never switch back.

New iMac == BMW M3
-Its got some oomph, but is is the entry model speed demon. Dosen't have all the options available, but suitable for many. Has all the design and styling ques just right..

Old iMac == New Beetle
-its cute, does what is advertised, and your sister's pedicure gal got one because it had AOL IM, and matched her new carpets

Your average Dell == Ford Aerostar
-I suppose you could put a big block motor and a six speed in one of these if you wanted to, and haul every peripheral you own in the back. Whatever you do, everybody else in the Target parking lot will be driving the same thing, well, 95% of everybody else

I too was waiting for a tower, but am not disappointed. I still use a 9600. Its got three monitors, 4 SCSI busses, and PCI 100bT, USB, and Firewire, and it runs OSX just fine. Do I want more speed? Yes. Am I upset not to see a G5 enabled hovercraft today? No. Will I be upset if I buy a $3,500 dollar machine and can't get 4 years use out of it? LIVID.

[Maarten]

If you create a hype (not apple, just those rumor sites) people get dissappointed.
You expect to much.

Look at now ibook, imac, iphoto
great products, nice prices (iphoto is even free!!!)

i'm also dissappointed (in myself) i couldn't wait no longer and bought an ibook in november...
damn!

[Kethoticus]

"I can just see some of you folks at a car show: " What? If Mercedes isn't going with repulsive collision avoidance, I'm going back to horses!!"

LOL! What a ridiculous analogy. So the Windows/x86 platform is now horses, and the Mac is a Mercedes, eh? Oh man. That's toooo funny. Here I am hearing people say that the Mac was a BMW and the PC was a Volkswagen. It's worse than I thought!

[Maarten]

apple didn't make the hype, people did!

[ob]

Bueller anyone Beuller?

[mcbane]

apple confirmed the hype.

[mischief]

Take a look at flop ratings, then tell me what a horse is.

[mischief]

Bingo.

[MacNut]

All I have to say is that all the hype that apple made about this expo was nothing more than what the rumor sites were predicting for months now how did this expo go beyond the rumor sites anyways? Will someone please explain that one to me? we got am imac with a flat screen. no big news their. iphoto that was a rumor too. pda that was a joke to begin with and no one with their head on straight even beleved that one. Maybe Tokyo will be hyped just as much but they better deliver some good high end products next month or apple will go down the tubes fast An imac wont cut it with most of apple followers. and will those people at motorola get their head out of theur butts and release a chip with atleast a ghz u could hear the crowd get disappointed when Jobs didnt say anything above 800mhz

[Rocketman]

Originally posted by Stike
Some things are rather annoying.
I hoped for my Kodak DC240 DigiCam to work with iPhoto, because it didn´t work with ImageCapture.
It sucked.

Error message: "Could not find /users/.../pictures/iPhoto Library/2002/07/01" or something like it.
Great Software.

The new iMac is cool, however as I saw the German Prices it made me feel sick. Converted to US$ the price for the Superdrive iMac in Germany is $ 2280!
(source: german applestore)
How can this difference be explained?

And I too need a tower, in the meantime I´ve 2 Harddisks floating around, and a new iMac can´t take them...

Tell your government to stop overprinting money and taxing computer imports.

Rocketman

[MaCFaN1551]

The new iMac is perfect, i dunno why u all r so dissapointed. The imac is very cheap and powerful!!! its perfect for us average-users.

u Pro that NEED a tower, wait until March for the g5, or get a dual 800 NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mbcastleman]

The keynote was much shorter than scheduled. They must have waited until the last minute on something and it was either not ready or they decided they needed something for Tokyo.

They couldn't poke palm in the eye when they were speaking or the PC version of iPod would be better intoduced in Tokyo. Not to say those products even exist, but who knows.

I watched the keynote on techtv. Those PC geeks were giving the ol' been there, done that routine....losers.

[Ensign Paris]

I sold my Quicksilver machines at home ready to buy a new tower! ****! Well, I will have to cope with my PB and Quicksilver at work.

As anybody noticed that the imac is designed so that a bigger monitor could easily be added!

[zim]

i agree with Crusty Bob. what are you guys putting into those pci slots. the last pci card that i ever bought was for a 7300 so i could get usb access to it. but as far as i am concerned pci slots are worthless and need to become extinct like the floppy drive. i am a professional designer just as some of you are and i am an educator and the only pci card that i ever interact with is on a mac with a media 100 station... but i would never need to buy one of those, not with final cut pro out. and and and i do not see why the media 100 board could not eventually be replaced by firewire.

[MikeH]

Well I didn't like the iMac to start with, but I've warmed to it now - in fact I think it's great. My only gripe is the fact that the display only goes to 1024 x 768, surely 1280 x 1024 would have been a more realistic maximum? A 64mb 4 x AGP graphics card would have made it a little more furure proof too.

No new towers though. Bad move. Maybe Mr Jobs has something up his sleeve for near future and didn't want to wizz on the iMac's bonfire, but a speed boost (at the least) better come soon otherwise they will look poor next to 2.2Ghz P4's - velocity engine or not. A 133 bus, DDRAM, and 64mb GeForce3 graphics as standard wouln't go amiss either.

C'mon Steve! You know you want to!

[mischief]

with final cut 3 and all, I don't need a tower. If I want more storage, I'll get a FW RAID. Physical size and afordability mean more to me. It's still a bigger screen than my iMac Rev D (CRT=15" translates to LCD=13").

[TWISTED]

To everyone complaining about the hype:

Hello, McFly...

Apple USED you. Plain and simple. The purpose of hype is to raise awareness, and by getting your panties in a wad over the last week you helped Apple accomplish this. They suckered you. Plain and simple.

Apple isn't here to cater to your inflated egos. The company does not revolve around you. They are a business, who above all else, needed to upgrade it's four year old consumer line. If you ever wondered why they are losing market share, you could look to the outdated iMac line. That all changed today.

Open your eyes and grow up.

[Foocha]

The new LCD iMac is stunning. I've had my doubts about some of Apple's recent product design, but this has entirely renewed my faith.

They've somehow captured the spirit and personality of the original iMac, but in a totally new and up-to-date design.

It's incredible value for money - and I think iDVD is going to be the killer app now that it has well and truly reached the consumer market.

Great news also about OS X as default - no iPhoto for OS 9!

[maiku]

Ever heard of hooking up two montiors at once!?
How 'bout adding a sound card?
Video card for Final Cut?
Who the hell'd ever want to do that?

Guess not Zim and Crusty Bob....

[HexaPlus]

This is an incredible marketing strategy.... Apple has come out with a new iMac THAT ROCKS If they came out with a new tower (g5, g4 >1Ghz) it would have eaten all the fire of the new iMac for lunch...
Right now they are simply trying to sell iMacs to people with PCz and give people who have held off on buying a new mac because they where over priced or under-powered for the price a steal. And all the hype wasn't trying to attract the mac faithful to see a new super computer that most of them couldn't afford (I know I cant afford a new g4 or what would have been the g5) but to attract heathens to the mac market place with a totally unconventional looking, and pretty substantially powered machine. Apple needed to capture the worlds attention and it did that with its unbecoming hype so all the non mac drones can see the new imac on the news and maybe even the keynote and think "gee pa it'd like to get me one of those"......
Remember last year when the media criticized Steve for " preaching to the converted" well this is a ploy to attract new customers. I'm sure there will be a MW for us containing a G5 and a very sweet machine to go with it but I mean come on with todays economy do you think that apple need to produce a super machine for more then they want to pay for a car, sure we would have scraped together the money but for for the most part, to use a cliché that should never be uttered again, the sales would have been "underwhelming".
way to think Apple.
Anybody else ready to scream by tech tv's coverage?

[Timothy]

When I first saw the iMac in the wee hours of the night last night, I wasn't moved.

But now that I've seen it in action, looked and thought about the specs...I love this machine.

I think my wife will be getting one. She's a musician, and this will sit perfectly next to her keyboard, and really compliment the "style" of her studio.

I love this thing...and I initially had my doubts. But, I'm now converted.

Imagine a row of 10 of these lined up in an Apple Store window at varying heights. A stunning display.

BTW...for those of you who HATE the design...you can always just pull the screen down lower, completely hiding the computer, and there you have it. An LCD screen all on it's own!

[HexaPlus]

Originally posted by Kethoticus
"I can just see some of you folks at a car show: " What? If Mercedes isn't going with repulsive collision avoidance, I'm going back to horses!!"

LOL! What a ridiculous analogy. So the Windows/x86 platform is now horses, and the Mac is a Mercedes, eh? Oh man. That's toooo funny. Here I am hearing people say that the Mac was a BMW and the PC was a Volkswagen. It's worse than I thought!

You ever used a Mac ********?

[grouse]

I know it's un-precedented but...

The focus had to be on the new iMac, replacing the oldest item in Apple inventory. And I totally agree with those that say there should be no distraction from the release of what is, no-one can seriously argue against this, essentially a revolutionary ('scuse pun) new computer. I'd buy one but... being a 'power' user I need larger screens and cards and such for high-end graphics work (etc. etc.)

Does anyone think it is possible that seriously speed-bumped towers might be annouced tomorrow in "the POWER of X"?

Keeps the consumer, Time-cover sensation stealing headlines separate from the existing market we NEED more power MAC nuts such as I, for the professionals, out of the lime lite. Give Phil S his moment in the sun. Wait and see...

[eric_n_dfw]

I'd love it if it only had one thing more: SVGA out. One of the big features of FCP 3 is realtime preview out the SVGA plug on Ti PowerBooks. The thing is obviously based on PowerBook technology - heck it even takes SO-DIMMs as far as I could tell from the keynote. So why no SVGA?? :-(

Really though, I'm waiting for the towers to get DDR ram before I upgrade anyway.

-Eric S.

[mischief]

Just buy the adapter. It only supports mirroring though so better to save it for a projector. Besides, a 15" LCD is bigger than it sounds.

[Zeugma]

I think Apple's done an amazing job with the iMac redesign. I fall into the mushy middle of Mac users; I'm a student who uses my Mac mainly for IE and Word, and who occasionally dabbles in image editing or page layout. I prefer Macs to Wintel boxes, and there are two main reasons for that: first, I think the Mac interface has always been more elegant. Not necessarily more powerful, but almost always with a slight edge in look and feel. Second, Macs themselves -- at least for the last few years -- are simply nicer *things*. Form factor and industrial design count for something. I sprung for a new iBook when I started grad school, and while I wish I could have afforded a TiBook, I'm happy with what I got: it's a great machine, and it's good-looking, too. (No way I would have bought one of the clamshell iBooks, though.)
The iBook has a classic, clean design, and it stands out from the grey- and black-box Wintel notebooks. So, too, does the new iMac have a great visual presence. Whether you like it or not, you have to admit that it'll turn heads, and it will certainly make people consider the computer as an object of art instead of just a tool. Is the design strange? Sure. Personally, I wonder about the "halo" around the screen -- seems a haven for finger-smudges -- and it seems like the whole thing might get a bit tippy at the wrong angle.
As much as it might pain us rumor-mavens to admit, what Apple presented *was* way beyond the rumor sites. Industrial design is and always has been one of Apple's strongest suits. Remember that other all-in-one, the Classic? Sure, we predicted a flat-panel iMac. But the way-21st-century design that debuted? We weren't even close. Hats off to Apple for making us do a double-take at something we thought we knew.
No, the new iMac won't be the workhorse at Lucasfilm. But for the consumer, education, and amateur creative markets, it's a wonderful machine.

[reyesg4]

How many of you are complainers are going to be looking at the iMacs ass when you use it? You are going to be looking at the monitor and the keyboard.

To those wanting a cheaper imac, the iBook is for you.

To those wanting PCI slots, the towers are for you. Why should Apple make PCI slots if you can't go to your corner store and buy a PCI card that is Mac compatible. If you know enough to mail order the thing then you know enough to get a Powermac. If you want Pro features in the iMac line then you are just cheap. Get some credit and take out a loan like everyone else has to do to buy a Mac, if you make money from it, then it will be a good investment. If you don't make money off your machine, then don't waste your money just for a little bit more speed.

[mcbane]

was the titanium powerbook introduced at last years tokyo or SF macworld?

[Neal Erickson]

iPhoto Rocks!!

I haven't published anything to the Kodak site, of course, but I can make a web page in homepage as well as locally. I am discovering little things as I dig in.

[HexaPlus]

Originally posted by grouse
[B]
Does anyone think it is possible that seriously speed-bumped towers might be annouced tomorrow in "the POWER of X"?
/B]

sorry friend not going to happen no wa now how at the very very very least six months i dont think tokyo is even a very sound bet but you'll see some increased preformance from the g4 possible.

[HexaPlus]

Originally posted by mcbane
was the titanium powerbook introduced at last years tokyo or SF macworld?
MWSF... dont think anything big is up for tokyo.

[grouse]

Can you try that again in English....?

prewanowhow wao what...??!!!

Tell me why again?

Do you have inside knowledge?

I know people at Mot and bigblue who are supplying the chips so as far as I'm concerned the only reason for the hold-up is commercial and down to marketing depts.

Please tell me why 'cos they're there and ready to be plugged in.

[JOHNGAETANO]

While I understand alot of you are disapointed because of all the hype, I can't help but think we created more hype than there really was. I was right there with everyone else talking about the iWalk, or some really cool new thing. While I wanted an iWalk bad, deep down I knew it wasn't going to happen. BUT, look what we did get.

The new iMac is a great Mac that will turn heads, and steal some of the other 95% away from Gates. This puppy will perform!

How about iPhoto, it's free!! You can't beat anything thats free!! I think iPhoto is a winner!

14" ibook. The best just got better!

Apple is doing it right!

I have only been a convert for 3 months, but I am loving it.

[grouse]

from JOHNGAET*****

Totally agree with you.

Cover of Time, ain't bad. It will sell. Look at the performance as well as the design, it is awesome

[mischief]

the phrase was:"no way, no how" I believe Hexa has a serious case of hamhands, that's all. He's right though. Motorolla makes more money from other business. Apple is a lower priority for them. Apple needs to spred it out a bit and make some $$$ on the sahara first B4 the G5.

[grouse]

thanks

I knew there must be money behind it somewhere, just couldn't reason why.

Too many G4 700's to sell and 800Mhzs. Which of course aren't now in any other machines So it all makes sense, crystal clear, totally.

(not)

[mcbane]

I was looking through apples past events page and I noticed something, the G3 was first introduced at the seybold seminar in march '98, then in september '99 the G4 was introduced. There is a seybold seminar on February 22, 2002. lets all keep our fingers crossed for a G5.

*crosses fingers*

[jamka]

it's nice. i already have a 500 mhz imac, so i don't really need a new one.


but hey, does anyone know where i can download the keynote, not see a stream of it? i missed it live...

[grouse]

this is the same motorola (I have in fact one of their excellent phones) that is laying off 10,000s of staff (mainly over here ..uk..) due to them making lots of money from other ventures.

Good, got that straight then.

[mischief]

Steve is orchestrating the release of 6 or so design groups. Would you rather have the days of competing design groups ? This way each product has time to impact the market. Logically we'll see the Pro line get a modest bump next quarter, then a revamp in Q3. Be patient, Steve doesn't just tap is hat rim and *POP* there's a new G4, geez.

[grouse]

The amazing firework display that was the release of the drive and speed-bumped Ti and iBooks, almost blinded me. (two-three weeks ago, shuffled out on the Apple website)

He may seem like a one-man show but there are a lot of people here doing a lot of stuff that doesn't need a huge fanfare.

Of all the sectors that require less hype the pro-market is the main, grown-up one.

[brautigan]

It's about time Apple put out G4 iMacs. I'm assuming this means that G5 towers and G4 iBooks are next. Why anyone would buy a G3 iBook is beyond me, especially considering my bad experiences with OS X and G3's (sloooooooooooooow).

Well, I guess I know what my next computer will be.

[amichalo]

Originally posted by maiku
Ever heard of hooking up two montiors at once!?
How 'bout adding a sound card?
Video card for Final Cut?
Who the hell'd ever want to do that?

Guess not Zim and Crusty Bob....

...with an iMac?

[Caleb J]

Hi,

I do think the new iMac is a nice piece of hardware. Here in Oz it has become a bit too expensive for most computer buyers...($2995 for base model) It will sell well with the cashed up, cool crowd, but unfortunately that group has shrunk severely in the past year...most cyber-cool formerly cashed up tech-heads I know are now on social security and have already hocked their WRXs...

Everyone seems to be wondering who will buy a tower nowdays? I'll tell you:

1. Anyone working with sound and thus needing to add a PCI sound card, just to record audio. (Yeah I know USB & Firewire stuff is available, but not as much and $/performance doesn't compare.)
2. Anyone working with graphics and thus wanting high-res monitors, more graphics memory or dual displays.
3. Anyone needing to add a PCI card for anything...
4. Anyone wanting to easily and cheaply expand storage capacity on their machine, which means internal IDE drives, not expensive external firewire or USB devices.
5. Anyone working in a hot, un-airconditioned environment where convection cooled machines wither and die. (Think Oz, think Texas summer, think 40 Deg. C. in a tin shed with naught but a portable fan for cooling.)

Note that 1 and 2 cover the "traditional" creative markets Apple likes to think it owns. I feel they have really neglected these people over the last few years...

[amichalo]

Originally posted by HexaPlus
Anybody else ready to scream by tech tv's coverage?


What was their coverage like? I watched the (sometimes clear, sometimes artifacted) QuickTime broadcast. Did TechTV talk over SJ the whole time?

[mischief]

It's a $1299.00 entry level. Get yer facts straight Mr. Johnson.

[Crotalus]

He's from Australia you dummy.

[whatever]

Just wanted to give my two cents.

Most of the hype was generated at these "rumor" sites.

All Apple said was that you were wrong and since most of the hype leaned towards "iWalk" and G5's, they (Apple) were right.

Apple likes to seperate their consumer machines from their commercial machines. Some times the two will be released together, but whenever that happens the consumer becomes confused (should I buy a iMac or a newer faster G5 for $1000.00 more, if I wait then the G5 price will go down...) and we (yes, I'll include myself there) will complain (imagine if you would, if Apple released G5s today, people would moan, Apple should have put G5 in the new iMacs, blah, blah, blah).

Now could Apple have released new and faster towers today. Sure they could have, most likely with G4 chips. Would any of us be happy?

NO!

If you bought one of these new faster G4 towers and 8 months later Apple released a faster (and finished/tested) G5 towers, would any of us be happy?

NO!

I would rather Apple wait until the G5 is finished and see a whole new line of Towers than a stop gap release now.

Hopefully, this year Apple will release a line of G5 dual processor towers at blazing speeds and single processor G5s Powerbooks.

And in the meantime I hope the new iMac sells like hotcakes.

[Djk515]

I personally think that this years MWSF was a big success. I have a G4 400/AGP Graphics and I'm in the market for a new low-end G4/iMac and the new iMac is just what I was looking for. And the new low-end model has everything I'm gonna need in a machine and more. Can't wait to get my hands on that beauty.

And for everyone who was disappointed about the G5's not arriving/G4's not bumping up, I don't think you have much to worry about. Last MWNY they barely touched the iMacs and then at today's next Macworld the iMacs were improved 100%. Well today they didn't touch the G4's, so you definitely have something to look forward too in Japan.

And if you were mad that the high-end iMac now has more value then some G4's, why do you think that the high-end iMacs are not being sold for a couple of months. I'm sure there will either be a speedbump to the G4's or an announcemetnt about G5's before March 1.

[samy85114]

Does somebody know when is the next keynote...?????

[mcbane]

well seybold seminar in NY is like february 19-22 and macworld tokyo is around march 21st I think. I really hope for g5's at one of these.

[ronphlf]

They built an iGloo out of iced Cubes! All the R&D that went to create the cube mixed with the marketing genius of the iMac. iGloo

[huxley]

What a let down. Steve Jobs is the king of hype, and once again, I believed all the hullabaloo. I think the iMac looks neat-o, if you want something like that. But I make my living on a Mac, I dont just use it to e-mail pictures of the kids to Grandma, and I was expecting a LOT more from all the hype on the Apple site. iPod - neat-o. Again, great for the train ride to work, but could I please trade mine in for a PDA that actually works and is dependable on the Mac platform? I actually need a PDA, and my palm Pilot just ain't cutting it. Getting a sync is like playing the lottery, but the lottery has better odds.

Palm Pilot Developers: Hear this: you should be ashamed of yourselves for saying you "wholeheartedly" support the Mac. Three years down the road, and you finally develop a USB cradle... whoop de doo. How about REALLY supporting the Mac platform, and creating what we all paid for - a PDA you get a reliable sync out of? I'm tired of your crap.

[Captain Easychord]

I've read a lot of posts complaining about the fact that there were no new specs presented on the towers, but I don't see what the average computer user would do with all that power! What Apple really needs is to convert people over from their wintel systems. I can't say whether the new iMac is going to do that (although I hope it does), but it certainly a step in the right direction.

And, of course, the towers will (and have to be) completely updated at the next show. We'll see.

[Screamingbeaver]

I thought TechTV coverage was great. They didn' t talk over any of the keynote and played the whole thing in its entirety. However, did any of you catch Silicon Spin after the keynote coverage? GOD! I wanted to beat the piss out of John C. Dvorak!!! What an ass! He basically bashed every single thing about the keynote. He claimed he was bored watching the demos, that the iPod was just a little hunk of plastic that isn' t compatible with windows, and the new iMac looks like some weird lamp. I had to turn the channel. I couln't take his Apple bashing. He was really pissing me off.

Personally, I love the new iMac, iPhoto and all the apps that were showcased. Apple is going where no PC has gone before!

ROCK ON!

[Capt Crunch]

I for one am glad that there were no powermac revisions. I got a dual 800 with cinematic dislpay a while back and it's still top of the line. whoot!

Hopefully my family will spring for the new iMac and a TiBook.

I think while Apple was sort of stupid to hype it up, this was a very good Macworld. The new iMac is an amazing value, and iPhoto simply rocks. I'm very content, mainly because this expo was almost tailored for my needs. Didn't want a powermac, I wanted cool software, and I got it. yay for me!

[Argo1000]

OK Group; I need someone to verify something for me...

I noted the VGA video out port on the back of the the iLamp. (Geez - ANOTHER non-standard port that will require an adapter for every monitor known to man!).

Everyhting I can find so far (on Apple's site and in their specs PDF) says that the video card (and that video out port) offers up to the box's max 1024x768 pixel/24-bit display and ' supports video mirroring ' (i.e.: both monitors show exactly the same thing, which is basically only useful for data projectors).

Is that their euphemistic way of saying that it does NOT support dual-monitor mode (i.e.: two monitors covering different parts of a larger virtual desktop, a much more useful mode available on all desktop Macs and Titanium PowerBooks?). I think that IS what they're saying, which, if true, is a bit of a drag, since 15"/1042x768 is pretty crowded for PhotoShop, Illustrator, Premiere, FCP3, etc. etc....

What do you think?

[Screamingbeaver]

This was true for all the late model iMacs and iMac DVs. The VGA out on the back was basically just for mirroring your existing monitor.

[Crotalus]

The viewable area on a 15" LCD is substantially larger than the VA on a 15" CRT. The 15" display on my mother's computer has nearly the same VA as my 17" Princeton Graphics. I am anxiously awaiting seing on in person. The low end will make a dandy replacement for my G4 400 : )

[PretendPCuser]

Downplay. Most everyone gets all bent outta shape.

"They should have had G5's at 2Ghz"

C'mon, be reasonable. We all want that, but Where is Photoshop for OS X? Think of the what that's going to be like when they come out (possibly) at the same time. Perhaps Steve was waiting for Photoshop to really let it all hang out.

My 2 cents for marketing, tho would be. Downplay the next big release. Steve used to be big on the "Oh, and there's just one more thing..."

Wouldn't it be cool if there were no hype and he rolls up and says, "oh, check this out, we just released G5 1.2Ghz towers that rips through Photoshop X work. It's available today for $1699". Then let the media do their job and hype it AFTER it's out there.

Problem is, that would satisfy the power users, but the whole skinny on marketing is getting people talking. Guess what, all the rumor mills got people talking. Some like the new stuff, some don't but we're all still talking about it. Mission accomplished. Individual users are fickle, but together, love their strategy or not, we're all Mac users and I think Steve understands what we want pretty well, he's not going to discontinue the towers. We'll get the speed eventually. have patience.

[atomwork]

Now could Apple have released new and faster towers today
----------------------------

Thats so wrong what you say. It may be sounds ok for you but there is a fatal error in your calculation.

There is a hole industry waiting for the new towers. The towers are in my opinion only for professional use. What does a amature need a G5 mac??? Or a 22 Cinema display. Noting! Its for the designers, art directors, editors and who eles earns his daily life on it.

This macworlds was only a push for the normal consumer, like my mom or the neighbor next door how like to surf, play & burn music as well as send pictures.

So.... if Apple would have released today a G5, i bet a lot of pros would have loved to buy now. So now we have to wait one more month for the next show.


-
Can this forum please split amatures from pros in their discussion...

[Screamingbeaver]

"Can this forum please split amatures from pros in their discussion... "


Dude, chill a bit man! All of us are on the same team right, the Mac team. Any one of us may be a pro user in one area, but may be an amature in other areas. We all have an opinion, and that's what these discussions are about.

Sure, a Apollo G4 or G5 tower announcement would've been cool! I'm a user that uses my computers to make a living and provide for my family, but why can' t I be excited about the new iMac and consumer products too?

[saffron!!]

I am looking to buy a workstaiton for Maya and Final Cut Pro 3. I have previously worked on an SGI workstation and Quantel's Edit Box. This would be my first experience with a Mac and OS-X. What Graphics card are you using and does it display light sourcing and textues correctly? Also, is OS-X multi-threaded especially where rendering is concerned.

[whatever]

When I first bought my G4 I bought a tower for expansion. Granted I have a scsi card in it and two video cards. But currently, my scsi scanner is not supported by OS X, I dumped my two monitors for a Cinema Display and my current backup harddrive is a firewire iPod. I'm moving towards all firewire and USB devices. Right now the cube is looking good to me.

I always thought it would be cool if Apple built some type of CPU bridging technology into the cube which would allow users to connect multiple cubes together to create an array of multiple CPU machines.

I would love to see an advance cube replace the PC world tower once and for all.

I have to admit that the cube wasn't perfect, I did hate the toaster CD/DVD player, but I hate the fan on my G4 more.

[huxley]

I have a Cube, and overall i'm down with it, it's fun for a home machine but would NOT use it at work. Just like the new iMac, it's just not expandable enough for professional use, and besides - asthetically, it's so beautiful, but that gets so lost in the endless array of cables & cords all over the desktop it's not worth it. But I just wouldn't get rid of my Cube at home, but not at work. Running a dual 450 and a 500 at work, and they are maxed out in RAM & very nice.

[kansaigaijin]

saffron!!

did you see the Lucas film guy on the Keynote? or the FCP3 demo? it was awesome and it was on a Powerbook, so there was no PCI thingy inside. and you can do other stuff on your computer while it renders in real time! Have fun when you get a chance to try it.

[mcbane]

er.. if it is rendering in real time then there would be no need to do other stuff on your computer as it wouldn't take any time to render, hence the term "real time". So you can add effects and just watch a preview without having to actually painstakingly render the effects.

[Crotalus]

I don't wanna be cruel, but some of you guys sound like kids screaming because you didn't get what you wanted for christmas. A new blazing fast G5 1.8 Be all, end all tower is not gonna do one thing for Apple's marketshare. Guess what kid's, if Apple loses much more marketshare you won't get a G-anything. Steve Jobs will be hunting work and M$ will buy the Apple headquarters to turn it into a museum of companies M$ squashed out of business. I feel you're pain because I use my mac to pay the bills. But I do it on a G4 400 Sawtooth and don't complain. If you're dual 800 is just seeming to slow for you and you just can't wait for a faster one then buy another dual 800 and cluster them. I love the new iMac personally.

Signed,
Fuzzy Wuzzy

[boomertim]

The more I look at it...the more I like it! I would have loved a 17-inch monitor option-

but I understand.

I would have loved to break the 1 gig line-

but I understand.

I would have loved a G5 with a new tower-

but I understand.

Something about Apple makes me understand!


I'll take 2

[huxley]

Well put, boomertim. Let's not lose faith. You go-go, Apple!


(but I'm still mad about the PDA). :(

[buffsldr]

Originally posted by Timothy
There IS method to this madness! :-)

There are 2 distinct markets that Apple has to deal with.

The Geeks
One of the markets is us...the geeks who pay attention everytime SJ sneezes. All Apple had to do to overhype us was to whisper that there will be a new release at this MW. We are all poised, watching, waiting, and anticipating. We love the hype. We seek after it. And when it's not there, we create it.

Everyone Else
The rest of the world does not pay much attention, at all, to the hype of the computer world. Apple could have released 3 ghz towers today, and outside of the geeks, no one would have paid attention. The success of the iMac (and Apple) is closely tied to catching the attention of Everyone Else. And, that was the reason for the "hype."

The Science of Hype
The level of hype that has had us up all night, chatting furiously on this site (btw, great site!), will barely make much of a notice in the real world, where it needs to be seen and heard. I guarantee that if I got on the phone right now and called my mom, she will not have any clue that Apple just released a new iMac. The Hype is needed to get above the din of everyday stuff, and to reach the target market for the iMac. It will take weeks before even a 10th of the "market" for the iMac is aware that it exists.

Face it, WE always want more. I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to feeding into and creating the hype. I GET the digital world, and anticipate what my future will be in such a world on a daily basis. Am I dissapointed? Yes. As I've mentioned (and will continue to lobby for) I want a NEWTON. This is only one in a series of Macworlds that hasn't delivered on my needs. But, I also recognize the REALITY of business.

The iMac Rox!
Even though I am not the target market for the iMac...I recognize that for ITS target, the iMac is a great computer. And, we need to help sell that to those of our associates who are not geeks, and who look to us to help them make their buying decision. I can in good faith recommend this computer to those of my friends and family who are not tech savvy, and who just want an incredible easy, intuitive, and beautiful computer to use.

Staying on Message
In the vortex of hype, we all tend to forget the fundamentals. Apple has shown that it understands how to package a message, stay true to that message, and still innovate at a dizzying rate. If you look over the past year, they have released some remarkable things. Sure, 6 months seems like an eternity to us, but in hindsight, and to the rest of the world, Apple has accomplished great things. And, they will continue to do so...

Now, let's start hyping the next event. I hear there's a rumor about a new Newton? :-)

Happy Computing!



Right on, brother!

[elgruga]

The tower debate rages on.....amateurs versus 'professionals' etc.

Its a spurious argument.

I earn my living on the Internet - I wont say exactly what we do..... I guess we are 'pros' - heres the list of machines:

5 x 350 mhz imacs (blueberry, I guess) 6 - 10 gig drives, 10/100 ethernet, most have 256 ram in 'em.

5 x G3 blue and whites, from 300 - 450, external scsi drives, raid setup, 256 ram.

1 (yes, just 1) G4 450, similar setup to the b and w's.

1 9600/300, couple ibm scsi drives in it, backup box.

1 IBM box, running windows for testing only. (when I get pissed with Apple, I switch it on for about 10 minutes and surf the net. Then I smile, switch it OFF, and go back to my office and look at the Mac OS with relief - thats the truth)

You think Apple is bad - run a Gates GUI special for just 10 mins.......and XP? Its crap. Serious crap.

oh, and 3 PC clones running Linux.

We run 4D, Webstar, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, BBedit, Eudora (EIMS), Office 2001, MYOB, Virtual PC, Lasso, Summary pro, Delrina Daily planner (great program, cheap and very old), I think thats about it - retrospect and copy agent too.

NEVER had a problem with any of them, except weird behaviour on the 300 G3. That early board had problems.

If we have the cash, we will buy two of the low end new LCD iMacs.

And when the new G5 comes out we will buy one or two. Probably one to start with and then another later.

The new iMacs are GREAT - they are going to keep the Billy Gates nightmare out of my life, by keeping Apple alive.

Thanks Steve, looking forward to NY and some new towers.

In the meantime all our older Macs are just humming away as usual.

[Fiend]

Into page 9, but here's my tuppence (or should that be 2 cents worth with this new Euro) worth...

I'm the owner of a Tangerine iMac, Mac OS X/9.2, 266MHz, 160MB RAM, etc. etc. and was (I thought not unreasonably) looking forward to maybe getting one of the current model machines with a DVD drive (still DVD less!) at a reduced price to what they're charging for them now.

Ok, I did get caught up in the hype a bit but have to say Apple's contributions on their webpage didn't help, if they said nothing (in particular that comment "this is big, even by our standards") I prob. would have brushed over a lot of the hype and waited to see what was going to happen. That iWalk hoax (was that really made up by Apple??) and the talk about digital appliances turned out to be red herrings bigtime.

All in all I rate it to be one of the most disappointing Macworlds in a long while. LCD iMacs, everyone knew they were coming for the last 6 months to a year so the only surprise was going to be what they looked like. Slightly bigger screen iBook? Big deal! iPhoto? Ok, I didn't catch the keynote, but anything I've seen and read its just basically a photo cataloguer. Playing with someones graphite iMac a month or so ago it had a Kodak application bundled with it that did that already. Unless its got some very nifty editing tools I for one am unimpressed.

If Apple want to expand their consumer market share they really need to expand their range & have lower cost machines. The Apple range & PowerPC chips have pretty much stagnated.

At the very least they should have reduced the prices of their towers when you have iMacs better speced for the same price!!

Sorry about the length of this post, but I just don't think Apple really put in the effort for this one. Unless they're deliberately holding a lot back for Tokyo in March that's going to be the same story.

[Foocha]

I don't know what more you could have expected (apart from speed bumps for the PowerMac range, admittedly).

The new iMac is the key to Apple's success in 2002, and iPhoto is strategically important in positioning the iMac and Apple as *the* family computer.

Some people on this forum were very negative about the iPod, and it's proved to be successful for Apple already. I think the success of the New iMac in 2002 will blow us all away.

Everyone who knew anything about Apple knew that the iWalk story on *that* site was a hoax - don't expect to see an Apple PDA any time soon.

[Scab Cake]

Stike, I don't know what you're talking about with the DC240 Kodak camera. Mine has always worked wonderfully with Image Capture and it worked right away with iPhoto. iPhoto is a SERIOUSLY amazing application. I think there's more credit due to it than everyone is giving it.

Has anyone on this board TRIED printing images from their cameras onto photo paper? You have to change the margins for every different printer, you have to move the image around, you have to make sure all your color settings are correct...........BLAH!! Apple fixed all of this for us...FOR FREE. We get web page layouts, book layouts, photo albums, organization of our photos......................

iPhoto is incredible. How many other computer companies would even think about improving this whole process just because nobody else has done it right? Apple is the only company that is willing to take the initiative to innovate. iPhoto is great. You don't see Microsoft doing this stuff first, I'll tell you that.

Also, bigger iBooks. Awesome.

Also, cheaper DVDs!! Double awesome!!

The iMac is an engineering wonder. I think that the moment one of us walks into an Apple Store and sees how small the base is, it'll really have an effect on us. That computer is a marvel! Very nicely done and it goes to show that Apple really doesn't want to have boxes sitting on people's desks. This is a great looking computer with amazing features. Think about it....

15" display - $599
SuperDrive - approx. $600
40 gig HD - approx. $90
G4 800 - enough...
5 USB ports, 2 Firewire, video/audio out ports...

For an $1800 machine, you're sure getting a deal. I mean, hardware pricing aside, you get the aesthetics of the machine, you get OS X, you get free software that is better than any other comparable software on the market...Apple has really gone all out for the new iMac.

We should be applauding Apple for their hard work and ingenuity instead of complaining about being "let down" by the hype. I think they more than lived up to the hype. Some really amazing technology was released today.

So there were no G5s...what can you do? Have you people even used the 867 or the dual 800 with OS X? It's really, really fast. Really. Load that sucker up with RAM and you're good to go. There's really no reason to complain about the lack of speed bumps for the Pro models. Good things come to those who wait.

[sparkleytone]

what we were expecting in a new iMac:

g3 1GHz
DVD/CDRW Combo Drive
up to a 15in display
evolutionary design

what we GOT:

g4 700-800
CDRW/COMBO/SuperDrive
15in display
amazing revolutionary design
pricetag starting at 1299 (for a g4!)


that's big, even by Apple's standards. Whether or not it lives up to all the other hype is up in the air. Just remember it is beyond our rumors because our rumors were idiotic, l ike usual.

[Kela]

I agree with Sparkleytone. And all the ****faces that dont like the new imac....whats the real reason you dont like it?? (besides..ohhh its not good enough for middle america). What is that supposed to mean, it doesnt resemble the standard gung hoo trailor park intel?LOOK..this thing is a revolution...just watch how its going to sell. ESPECIALLY IN EUROPE. accompanies the introduction of the EURO. **** you all . Ciao.

[Macmaniac]

I do love the iMac and I am kicking myself for not waiting another month. I got a snow 700mhz a month ago. But I was alittle disapointed that towers and Tibook did not see and upgrade. These are me predictions:
MacWorld Toyko we will see a speed bump in the TiBook lien-700mhz to 800mhz.
MacWorld New York we will see G5 towers up to1.2ghz- 1.5ghz
wishfull thinking but apple could do it:)

[irmongoose]

OK, lets cut the crap about how ugly the iMac is. There is no way that thing is ugly... its BEAUTIFUL. Period.

Some people havent realized it, but the iMac is not only $100 more than the entry-level Powermac, but it has the DISPLAY too.... so, with the Powermac AND the $600 display... man, that iMac is a REAL bargain....

BTW... this is how it will go... We should see the Apollo G4s at Tokyo (Glad im gonna be there), and at NYC, we should see the long-awaited G5s. I saw some people on this post talking about that they should be releasing the Apollos tomorrow... oh boy.... U got to go do some studying...


iPhoto RULES! I tried it out at a friends house... it works AMAZINGLY... it's just BEAUTIFUL. But still need Photoshop for a few things.... iPhoto should have the ability to reverse a picture horizontally and vertically.... it becomes quite necessary when ur making your Photo Album Book ... just a thought.

I WAS watching the keynote live webcast here in Tokyo at 2AM... I LOVED every moment of it... GREAT WORK STEVE!!!



irmongoose

[jon]

Ciao.
Il nuovo Imac ha un design veramente interessante e una buona potenza, quanto di meglio Apple può mettere in campo. Il prezzo è alto, quanto un PC di fascia alta, a 1,8 Mhz, 256 Mb Ram, 17" Monitor, DVD, Masterizzatore,Speakers esterni....
Certo, come dice mamma Apple - I Mhz non sono tutto, occorrono un system stabile, un'architettura omogenea, delle pipeline più funzionali etc.- E questo è quello che apple fa da sempre, e spesso raggiungendo l'obiettivo. Ma chi acquisterà il nuovo Imac? Il professionista sta aspettando il G5, e il consumatore medio non ha così tanti soldi (Euro 1.599.00 + 20% Tax)... Qui in Italia siamo un pò tristi, perchè vorremmo che queste meravigliose macchine fossero più diffuse. Noi amiamo il Design, le belle forme...e ci ritroviamo ogni giorno davanti agli occhi gli orribili PC beige o le brutte copie colorate del computer che ha cambiato il modo di progettare il mondo.
A presto Amici

[ronphlf]

The iMac does what it says it does. It isnt trying to be something that it isnt. It isnt a mainframe. It isnt a PCI Mac. Its a compact, relatively inexpensive, fast computer that has practical uses. Its broadcast-quality dv video editing features are easy enough a retarded monkey could do it. Expandability is provided by firewire, and less USB. The screen is good enough for the majority of people, but there is a port for the "power users". This is the perfect desktop machine for a school, company, or home. Its easy to install, is idiot proof, and is unobtrusive and artistic in the same breath.

What pisses me off though is that the product isnt ready for shipping. I hate waiting around, I have purchases to make and I want the new machine instead of an older G3 iMac.

[britboy]

Originally posted by jon
Ciao.
Il nuovo Imac ha un design veramente interessante e una buona potenza, quanto di meglio Apple può mettere in campo. Il prezzo è alto, quanto un PC di fascia alta, a 1,8 Mhz, 256 Mb Ram, 17" Monitor, DVD, Masterizzatore,Speakers esterni....
Certo, come dice mamma Apple - I Mhz non sono tutto, occorrono un system stabile, un'architettura omogenea, delle pipeline più funzionali etc.- E questo è quello che apple fa da sempre, e spesso raggiungendo l'obiettivo. Ma chi acquisterà il nuovo Imac? Il professionista sta aspettando il G5, e il consumatore medio non ha così tanti soldi (Euro 1.599.00 + 20% Tax)... Qui in Italia siamo un pò tristi, perchè vorremmo che queste meravigliose macchine fossero più diffuse. Noi amiamo il Design, le belle forme...e ci ritroviamo ogni giorno davanti agli occhi gli orribili PC beige o le brutte copie colorate del computer che ha cambiato il modo di progettare il mondo.
A presto Amici

just out of interest: what is the point of posting something in italian on an english-speaking discussion site? Ok, so you like the design and might find it easier to express it in italian, but if you're here and have registered etc, then surely you understand enough english to get by on. Please, try english in future!

[Kela]

Yo Mario pizza Luigi. Quit trying to be funny.

[grouse]

for the towers...?

All three are on a 10 day build at the apple store.
That seems an unusually long wait.

So is this more to do with the slowness of Motorola and their production of chips or is it, my personal tarot tea leaf mad thought, that they will get speed bumped today after all?

Reasons are simple, Apple since the return of Jobs and the one exception of the not quite thought through Cube (probably more to do with build problems and cracks than the price point in some ways), have never left their product line looking so overlapped.

Don't expect a new case or anything, simply a slightly speed bumped range for the same price points.

Or call me a fool, I'm tough enough to take it.

[Gloria]

We fear change, change is bad!

Can anyone please tell me what's so wrong about the new iMac?

It's fast, it's got a flat screen, it's small, it's got everything!

Oh, you say it's ugly? Well, all I can say is that Van Gogh wasn't appreciated in his time either. I thought that Apple-fans were openminded.

I'm sorry, but all you guys shouting how ugly the new iMac is & how they're only interested in towers are rather narrow-minded to me. If you just want power, buy a pentium, for Christ's sake. Apple is about more than just performance, remember?

THINK DIFFERENT!

& be pleased that at least 1 company dares to take a freakin' risk.

[mischief]

The ten day build time is an estimate based on how long it takes for the average BTO to make it from the Sales servers into the manfacturing database, then into the line cues, reserve the parts, and manufacture the machine. I'm not sure but I think they include the time it takes to get it into the shipping company's hands. For a while there you could have a BTO dual 800 tower ordered in the morning and on the Fedex pickup dock by afternoon. Build times always slow down around releases as manufacturing adapts and competition for parts and space even out.
As to getting iMacs out to stores: Apple sometimes "pre-ships" minor revs to get them in stores for the release. New products however usually don't even make it to the distributors before they're announced to maintain confidentiality. There are between three and five companies involved in getting Macs out to customers if you include Apple, Their delivery courier service, the distributors (some vendors), the retailer, and in the case of mail order, an end delivery service. Each exchange takes time. This is why there is delay between Steve on stage and product in hand.

[Edited by mischief on 01-08-2002 at 11:46 AM]

[trilogic]

Originally posted by Gloria
We fear change, change is bad!

Can anyone please tell me what's so wrong about the new iMac?

..........

THINK DIFFERENT!

& be pleased that at least 1 company dares to take a freakin' risk.

I can't agree more. And remember when the first iMac was introduced? A lot of people were complaining about not having a floppy disc and serial / parallel ports.

If Apple just made a Flat-screen with a computer in the base it wouldn't be something special. Unfortunately i don't need an iMac at home otherwise I would buy one.

One more thing: "To go where no PC has gone before" this headline could mean that a Computer will finally find its way into peoples livingroom. That is a place that no PC has gone before.

[Kethoticus]

For all those complaining about those complaining about the new iMac, I'm not sure you're getting the gist of what they're saying. Kela, Gloria, the rest of you who believe that the iMac announcement was enough to justify the hype, you are either Mac worshippers / apologists, or you're in denial, possibly exploding with enthusiasm if Apple actually came out with 2GHz G5s yesterday.

The problem is not the iMac's specs or its design (the latter being purely subjective, making some peoples' comments here completely inappropriate). The problem is that it came out as the cake, and not the icing. People here were expecting a machine to be announced that could really go head-to-head with the x86 world in terms of workstation power. And why? because Apple itself led people to believe that.

And why, praytell, is speed so damn important? Because in the computer industry--particularly the content-creation industry which Apple prides itself in "owning"--speed sells, and selling is survival. For all of Apple's non-performance-related "innovations" and "revolutions" (almost as bad as MS with all of these exaggerations of their accomplishments), they're still bleeding market share. If I got my facts correct (someone please correct me if I'm wrong), when Jobs came back, the company had ~3% market share overall. Then it went up to ~5% by the end of 1999. Now? It's back down to ~3%. Apple's "revolutions" just aren't cutting it. A consumer model machine is not going to be enough, unless Apple plans on abandoning its professional customers entirely and going all-out for the consumer. That WOULD be beyond the rumors sites, big even for Apple, etc, etc.

The iMac itself is a decent thing. It's the flat-panel, G4-powered iMac people've been wanting (altho personally I feel it's rather goofy-looking). But we were led to believe that that would only be one part of the equation.

In my semi-humble opinion, unless Steve makes more announcements this week, he deserves the 2002 Ed Wood Award for thinking he's a misunderstood genius but in reality having no clue.

[mischief]

1. DO NOT make the statement that speed, processing power, and processor performance are the same, because they're NOT.
2. Be patient. this is a FOUR DAY expo.
3.Innovation is Apple's key marketing point.
4. "Cheap computers" don't work when you're producing the whole product yourself and you're trying to compete with 100+ generic manufacturers who don't give 2 farts in a bucket about QC beyond basic functionality.
5. Have you noticed that "Market Wisdom" got us into a recession? Have you noticed that companies that chase after market trends fail? Have you noticed that companies with good ideas that stay true to themselves don't?

[boomertim]

Can anyone tell how to configure the imac for one gig of Ram? Can't seem to figure this out. Looks like only one slot is user changable.
Could this be a screw up?

[mischief]

Apple doesn't have the 512 SODIMMS in appropriate supply yet. Purchase with 512 in the internal DIMM slot, the buy a 512 SODIMM from another vendor and have it installed yourself. It'll run about $200.00 USD for the extra RAM and 50 to 100 for the install.

[spikey]

Kethoticus, you greek fag.
Kela and mischief are right.
Why are you comparing to sales markets whith to different sales strategies to one another? Think before you open your mouth.
In the past few years macs havent sold because of speed, as the first imac proved, macs have sold due to all the other attributes that go into making a quality product.
Ofcourse it was enough to justify the hype, look at what we were expecting from the new imac and look at what we got. To replace the most revolutionary PC ever with its sequel is going to be a huge event, and it should be, hence justifying the hype.


"Apple's "revolutions" just aren't cutting in"

that is because since the imac there hasnt been a major revolution, WHICH IS WHY THEY BROUGHT OUT A NEW IMAC.
Market share rose due to the introduction of the first imac.


"A consumer model machine is not going to be enough, unless Apple plans on abandoning its professional customers entirely and going all-out for the consumer."

So you think pro users have been abandoned. Just because the introduced a brilliant consumer machine
instead of your +1Ghz G4/G5. With the introduction of the G4 in imacs, and also the price/value about the imac, then dont you think its a bit of a hint at what apple are going to bring out next macworld? or cant you get your head round that? dumbass.
What the **** were they meant to do dickhead?
Bring out the imac, pro users whine.. Bring out the Pro machine, consumers whine.
Stop being such a self obsessed greedy bastard and start realising that the world doesnt revolve around you and whether you get your pro machine. Other people like me need a consumer machine, hence why apple brought it out.
Next macworld a pro machine is very likely to come out, try to wait till then and just appreciate the beauty of the imac. Stop being a jealous pro user, and dont think your superior to consumer users and you should get your pro machine instead of an imac. your last post proved your far from superior, it proved to us that you are one dumb, ignorant, egotistical, stuck up little wanker.

This jealousy coming off you pro users has to stop.
You are not proper mac users, you have no idea of apples ethics, you are scum.

[spikey]

This is just sad to see.
Apple work their guts out to bring out a new imac, they employ a great design, great hardware, great for OSX, exceed your epectations of what the imac would be like. So what do you all do?
You just sit on your ass and whine about powermacs instead of being happy about the great product that was released yesterday.

So sad, the mac faithfull are diminishing, if not all gone.most of you dont realise the history of apple, and what apple is about. Macites and the ethics of the think different idea have all gone from you. The original mac fan has almost died.


You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

[Paul777]

NEWSFLASH "Apple dumps Pro line of hardware!!!!!"



Spikey, you hit the nail bang on the head!!!!!!!


Well Said.

[mcbane]

I personally don't think apple could survive without their pro line. Not only does their pro line allow them to trickle the latest technology down to their consumer line, but it seems like people would also have no reason to convert to the mac OS if macs were not used in business. formally apple made its name by producing top of the line computers for media production, apple can't lose this. Apple would die without their pro line unless they introduce many more consumer products like the iPod or gain at least a maybe 15% share of the computer market with iMacs.

I hope, and it seems reasonable enough, that apple releases their G5 Power Macs this february at the seybold seminars. The G4 was introduced at a seybold seminar only about a month and a half after the first iBooks were introduced. So apple has proven that it is possible to introduce two major products within a short timespan. Another thing to note is that the green G3 towers were introduced at a seybold as well.

[spikey]

indeed paul ;)

i didnt just hit it on the head, i hit it through kethoticuses skull, his ego, and his posts

[Crotalus]

Spikey you blew up a little to much, but it is understandable. SOME, not all, of the pro users are becoming Wintel-like. Don't you guys realize that that is all that separates us from that **** that jumps everytime M$ says to. We don't just slobber for that next 100mhz. We want better usability, better hardware design, for God's sake a better looking computer. Have you guys that are beating Apple down read the results on the G5 testing so far, because from what I've heard it isn't exactly ready yet. If Apple just starts throwing **** out there just to satisfy a portion of the market then guess what,

Applesoft

Please, I am the sole designer in the advertising dept. of a multi-national company. I am able to continue going to college because of the fact that I have a G4 at my apartment. I do every piece of their advertising on 3 computers:

B&W G3 300 256mb RAM Stock
Sawtooth G4 400 448mb RAM Stock (My Baby)
G3 500 iBook 310mb

And I never have trouble meeting deadlines. God what I'd do for a G4 dual anything much less an 800. But, my 400 rockets through all but the biggest Photoshop ops. Yes rendering video is a long process but I just set up the B&W to do the render and continue on with an add or image edit on the iBook, no sweat. I still have time to do all my school projects on the iBook to boot. (Used to use the G4 but the iBook allows me to dedicate it most of the time). Try thinking outside the box. With 3 computers that cost less than the top of the line P-mac I am amazingly productive. Thiss bickering is getting very childish.

Me. Last time I checked anyway.

[Foocha]

Sure, some people don't get it, but getting cross is just going to upset everyone ;)

[mischief]

Nice to see you back! Thanx for the rec. I'm not sure what people are complaining about. That was much more articulate and much less flamingly vulgar than some of your older posts. That, and several good points.

[edenwaith]

Here are my basic impressions from the latest MacWorld.

I think it was much more impressive than NY last year, since the flat-panelled iMac was finally released. I was impressed how close-lipped the new iMac was. I didn't even see anything about spy shots or leaked news about the new iMac, even though it has been in development for quite awhile. As for the new iMac itself, I'm still trying to figure out if I like it or hate it. All I can say at this point is that it is quite different. Fairly nice specs, and it would make an interesting center piece in an office, but it looks a little unstable and I wouldn't want to have it in a house with kids. It looks too fragile and could be broken by small children. It will be interesting to see if the new iMac becomes a great success, a mediocre product, or a bomb.

However, it is probably the fault of viewing rumor sites, but I was expecting a little more to come out. I was curious to see if Apple was going to release a 19" LCD monitor, and maybe even release something on the server side of things. However, the newer iBook was a surprise, and it's tempting to get it with the larger screen size.

What about this iWalk? My guess is that this might be a prototype (or a great spoof) which might see the light of day in either March or July. Also, I think we might start seeing G5 processors in March or July, also. Time will tell. There is still plenty to wait for.

[nahaliel]

yeah TIME probably will tell, damn canadians..

[Crotalus]

Those Canadians. With their beady little eyes, and their flappy little heads.

[mischief]

Lemme see..... how many can I name? Nev Campbell, Steve Martin, pretty much the whole cast of Smallville, Any X-files extra from before the film came out, pretty much the whole cast of the Highlander TV series, Jon Candy, ...........
It'd be a pretty boring place without us. Vancouver and Toronto have doubled for more Cities worldwide than any others. The Canadian constitution was the first to include freedom of thought and freedom of information in it's bill of rights.

This concludes our cultural enrichment section. Please come back again for more samples.

[Crotalus]

I didn't mean to inflame! I know and like many Canadians. Johnny LaRue is my IDOL! All of the people you mentioned are great personalities, BUT Neve's legs are gettin kinda hammy, agree?

[Crotalus]

You left out Pam Anderson.

[mischief]

Her best bits were always her looks and her butt!!

[Crotalus]

She does have a nice lil bubble but.

[TimDools]

Everyone seems to beating on about "Pro" users and the great unwashed that is the "consumer". Well I'm a pro-user and a consumer. G4 867 at work and iMac 600 MHz at home. I love them both and they both do different things. With 6 million iMacs sold I think Mr Jobs has some sort of responsibility to the requirements of the "consumer" who likes to do nothing but surf the web, play with iPhoto (beauty of an app), build websites on homepage, speak with family members, help with homework and basically have fun - which I do after work...not much really!

I want a new iMac. the more you see it the more you want one. It screams "friendly" at you. I also want new "pro" or "prosumer" machines but am prepared to wait. An 867 is pretty fast with OS X.

Take it easy........even BMW sells compact cars...

[sparky]

am I alone in thinking that a lot of people are getting a little hung up over the power/speed of a computer. I have a 400MHz G3 (and a umax sp 200!) whith which I run a sucessfull video production and design studio, premiere6, freehand, pshp etc. I will snap up the next tower that apple throws at us, but in the meantime I love my set up, wake up turn on, create, write invoice...it all works. A couple of minutes extra rendering time, or a few seconds more to apply a blur, so what? I sit back look and think, good design? bad edit? Untill I can buy a faster processor for my brain, I'm going to enjoy and utilise the few moments I have free to really think, even if it is slowly.



[Edited by sparky on 01-08-2002 at 09:48 PM]

[saffron!!]

3D animation software is extremely complex and requires as much processing power as you can throw at it. I'm not just talking about a blur or 3d transition. I'm talking about digital compositing hundreds of layers to make a short 3d piece of video. I say buy what you need with some headroom. I'm not avocating that everyone needs a system capable of this kind of power. There are however, digital artists that would love to take advantage of a new, faster more powerful system. Render On!

[sparky]

Saffron, you are right . But how many of the people posting are 3d animators/Illustrators. I DO use my G3 for 3d animation, modelling and illustration, I may be wrong, but say a 1 minute pal sequence rendered from C4d or similar took 8 hours on this machine only took 5 hours on a g4 800, in the scale of things this is not a huge difference, unless you are producing an 80 minute animated feature, which I imagine is not the case with "most" apple users.

8 hours is perfect for a couple of beers and a bit of shuteye..

http://www.cannonball.com.au

[saffron!!]

Sparky,

You're right! For a feature you would need a render farm. I've been on projects where there was no time for sleep with the client there all night. And, after the render completed, they might ask if we could move the position of a light source. Sleep! What a nice concept! A certain music video that was taken by hand with the client to the airport. It seems the faster we go the faster they want us to go.

[mcbane]

until everything is realtime and there is no need to wait for a render, I could always use more power. I understand where you are coming from when talking about 1 or 2 minute renders not being a big deal, but there are times when I have to wait hours for a render in cinema 4d and maya, even premiere has some pretty long renders sometimes. I don't mind waiting for a photoshop filter that takes 5 or 10 seconds, but in photoshop, when I have to wait for 5 or 10 minutes to resize 100 layers, it can become tedious and effects the work.

besides render times there is also the issue of new technology that requires faster processors. Things that could really help in the future with media production but may not exist now. I am happy and content with my G4, but I yearn for more.

[Crotalus]

Thank God I only do graphics and layouts mostly. I do have to render but I don't quite have the stress that you do saff. I usually am the one that the CEO calls and says, "Hey, I need a new logo for the (insert your faorite new machine here) done by 8 am tomorrow for a presentation to some investors". I reply "But it's 20 till 5 now" he then replies. "You've got keys. Oh, and make it something flashy". Grrrrrrrrrrr. Call the girl up, "Dinner's off. I'll be in midnightish". Man I hate that. LOL got me a coffee pot in me office now. I did have to stay up and work on video all night once, but not on a Mac. I had to do it on a damn Casablanca! I hate that Satanic piece of ****.

Cheers

[saffron!!]

And add to that the system crashes half way through the render after you fell asleep in your chair for a nap. Re-booting the pig of an OS WINNT took forever. I never want to see Dr. Watson again with its cryptic messages that mean nothing to anyone but programmers. I will wait for a new Dual PowerMac.

[Gloria]

I'm sorry guys, but Apple didn't create the hype. We did. We started the fire, they just threw some oil on it.

I for one knew from the start that I risked being disappointed, but I went along just as well. And I admit being angry when "only" the new iMac was shown, but you've got to be able tot take a different perspective on things after the initial feeling dies down.

This IS a great computer. It really answers all the "tease lines" on Apple's site. If it's not what you hoped for, then I think this is more your own fault than Apple's.

And trust me, no matter what they would've come with, someone was bound to be disappointed anyway. Face it, even if they WOULD have made a starship enterprise, some of you would just be nagging about the fact that it wouldn't have real sliding doors. And that they wouldn't like the design, of course. (iSaucer, anybody?)

[spikey]

lol, americans calling canadians names???
you lot have got some nerve.

If only you knew you lived in a country that has to bastardise everything to inflate your ego.

[cryptochrome]

Pam Anderson may be from Canada, but I'm pretty sure her chest was Made in America :P

[mischief]

Yeah, without Canada there'd be no way for Americans to travel in some places without being lynched. "No, I'm from Canada and what have WE ever done to you?" More Americans have used "being Canadian" as a way out of trouble abroad than used their own embassies. Just, please study the Accent first, or the cannuck Peacekeepers that may be nearby may laugh at you and spoil it.

Not to bash Americans, for the most part yer all decent people, it's just that a very few of the greedier bastards among you have been screwing the 3rd world for more than a century. I'm a dual citizen by birth BTW so I do understand America,often better than "pure" Americans. It's the US's odd dicotamy, where the immigrants often understand the fundamentals of US societies better than ancestral Americans that gives it strength.

[Foocha]

Funny that all these anti-American sentiments are being expressed on American Web site about an American company.

What better expression of the free speech and free market that make America great.

[mischief]

Say what you want but think what we tell you.

American republic logic.

[Kethoticus]

"If only you knew you lived in a country that has to bastardise everything to inflate your ego."

Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.

[mischief]

I live in the US. I just feel that Americans really don't know (and often don't want to know) what goes on elsewhere. This is an old attitude, it stems from being physically isolated from the rest of the world. Really, I like americans, I feel that they're getting almost as screwed as other countries are BY THE SAME PEOPLE.

I want to see Americans wake up to the fact that a few rich Old Boys are screwing them AND making them look bad. The reason so many poor countries "hate americans" is that, for the most part the only Americans they see are millitary, which makes them feel Occupied, or businessmen who want Banana Republics.

I would love to see americans prove those stygmas wrong, but it would take far more questioning of those in power than current generations may be capable of. The whole attitude of it being okay to commit atrocities, as long as it's somewhere else is DANGEROUS because it means that it's easy to erode american society in a series of small, "temporary" inconveniences that never go away.

It pains me to see a country's people wounded for the selfish actions of it's financial elite. It causes me deep sadness to see that many americans won't see it, or worse see it and ignore it. I'l say it once: ignoring oppression does NOT make it go away.

Millitarily occupying third world countries that already mis-identify atrocities with Americans as a people will only agrivate the problem.Smaller countries assume that Americans know what their power brokers are doing, they are amazed that that is not the case.

Americans, as a people need to HELP the third world: educate, build infrastructure, encourage human rights. These are thing that must not be left to government institutions, but undertaken by the common man, by families, and in person.

Canada has been watching this with dismay for 200 years. We want Americans to wake up and live up to their own dreams of being the model society. The whole world has seen the dream of a democratic and fair society, and those of us who know how far the model is from reality are seriously depressed by it. Don't call me anti-american, I'm trying to be what used to be called a patriot. I'm trying to express my love and pain for my adopted home.