Mac OS X 10.3.9 Now Available

[Orlando Furioso]

I did not bother to read through the previous 250-ish posts, but i was wondering if anyone else experienced a blue screen of death after rebooting from the update?

Well, I did... but it was more a "blue screen of coma" than death.

After logging in, my Mac struggled a little to assemble the desktop/finder, but other than that appeared normal. I went to the apple menu to open system preferences, but without warning a blue screen appeared for a few moments before returning to the log in menu. I did not "log out". It was really strange. I have yet to notice any other weirdness since then.

BTW, the blue was a lot prettier and soothing* than that other blue screen (of the death variety).

*I mean, it would normally appear soothing (given another context). In truth, it freaked me out.

[Stella]

It loads fine for me.

I applied the Security update 02 and rebooted, BBC website now works correctly :->

( I suspect it was the reboot rather than the security update )

PB won't connect to wireless upon start up :-( Otherwise, everything seems great.

Roll on OSX 10.4..

[i_am_a_cow]

I finally see why Apple charges so much money for their operating system. Besides the fact that the OS is very good quality and very reliable, look how many updates they do before going to 10.4! The updates aren't just frivolous either, they are very good quality updates. You don't pay Apple $120 for the initial release of the software, you pay them for the incredible maintenance of the operating system.

Those that say 10.4 is "just an update" or "just a service pack" (service pack is a term for idiots.) should reevaluate their reasoning. Look at all the incredible new features of tiger. Then think about all of the optimizing and bug fixing Apple is going to to to an already stable (I'm assuming) release of Tiger.

Wow, Microsoft sucks so much compared to Apple (at making software; not at implementing evil strategies).

[Doctor Q]

According to
The Shortcut list (file:///Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Resources/Shortcuts.html), it's Command Down-Arrow and Command Up-Arrow. I just use Home and End, though...Command-up-arrow and Command-down-arrow mean JUMP TO TOP and JUMP TO BOTTOM. The home and end keys are slightly different, as they do SCROLL TO TOP and SCROLL TO BOTTOM.

[dudemac]

Same here. Safari won't even start - and I have tried repairing permissions and deleting its preferences.

Any tips appreciated

yeah, I could use some too. I have been having nothing but fits with safari since this install. I haven't had any other issues with stability or any wierd crashes up until now. Tiger will be here on the 29th, but for now I am trying an archive install just to see if I can get it back.
I already tried the combo update, still no go. : :rolleyes: figures the only update I have issues with is the last one.

[MegaSignal]

For the first time, a software update has given me an improvement in overall performance of Safari. No more problems with losing the mouse cursor after logging out; no problems with sleep.

As someone who's considering one of the new 15" PowerBooks, it's also comforting to know that the ScrollPad issues have been, more than likely, solved with this update.

Excepting the plug-in problems with Safari that others have reported, it would appear that Panther has indeed approached its pinnacle.

(Using a Rev B Dual 2.0, with 4G RAM - the "Chevy Suburban" of computers in terms of raw, abusive power, delivered with the smoothness and perfection of a 7-series BMW...!)

[Archmagination]

Safari crashes on almost everything!! Try quitting it.. it crashes. Try certain webpages... it crashes!! I finally deleted it and downloaded Safari 1.2 again... I will wait until apple fixes it.

[MCroft]

yeah, I could use some too. I have been having nothing but fits with safari since this install. I haven't had any other issues with stability or any wierd crashes up until now. Tiger will be here on the 29th, but for now I am trying an archive install just to see if I can get it back.
I already tried the combo update, still no go. : :rolleyes: figures the only update I have issues with is the last one.

Safari is really different internally. I've heard about incompatibilities with PithHelmet, Saft, iGetter. If you have these or other SIMBL items installed, try removing them and trying again.

If it's the Java issue in Safari, then there's a fix in this thread.

[AidenShaw]

I finally see why Apple charges so much money for their operating system. Besides the fact that the OS is very good quality and very reliable, look how many updates they do before going to 10.4! The updates aren't just frivolous either, they are very good quality updates. You don't pay Apple $120 for the initial release of the software, you pay them for the incredible maintenance of the operating system.
Interesting, considering that this post appears on the n'th page of a thread mainly discussing problems that the 10.3.9 update has been causing people. (Including a report that it's *still* screwing up external 1394 hard drives!)


Those that say 10.4 is "just an update" or "just a service pack" (service pack is a term for idiots.) should reevaluate their reasoning.
Do you really mean that "idiot" and "service pack" are synonyms?

Or did you mean to say that "service pack is a term used by idiots"?

Do you have an alternate term for "a bundle of patches and feature updates" that you like better?

Then think about all of the optimizing and bug fixing Apple is going to to to an already stable (I'm assuming) release of Tiger.
You have faith, grasshopper.

But, why will Apple need to do all the bug fixing (your term) to Tiger if it's already stable?

[MegaSignal]

To be sure, I haven't used my external FW drive yet - who knows? I may have problems with this...

I'll have to agree with other posters with regard to Safari's Java implementation - things certainly must be different under the hood - it sure has a different "feel" to it, hence, my earlier post. It looks as if though anyone who's had plug-ins and/or related apps running with Safari are definitely experiencing problems.

Perhaps my success is merely because I'm not as much of a power user when it comes to Safari...I'm not sure.

[i_am_a_cow]

Interesting, considering that this post appears on the n'th page of a thread mainly discussing problems that the 10.3.9 update has been causing people. (Including a report that it's *still* screwing up external 1394 hard drives!)
I installed the update and have no problems, but I know some people are having problems. The point isn't about this update in particular, because most of the updates have been just fine. Also, have you seen all the problems many Windows users have all of the time? The only one in this that seems to be of major concern is the firewire drive one, as you mentioned, but some people have that working.


Do you really mean that "idiot" and "service pack" are synonyms?
Or did you mean to say that "service pack is a term used by idiots"?
Do you have an alternate term for "a bundle of patches and feature updates" that you like better?
"Service pack" is a Microsoft term for what we get from Apple 10 times before we have to pay anything. Sure, maybe the Windows service packs include some extra "features" or something besides bugfixes, but it is a marketing term by Microsoft that should not be applied to Apple products. The use of the term to describe 10.4 flags ignorance immediately.

Actually, the term Apple has used in the past is "upgrade." 10.4 really is a "grade" better than 10.3.


You have faith, grasshopper.
But, why will Apple need to do all the bug fixing (your term) to Tiger if it's already stable?
Why can't stable releases have bugs? Name one piece of stable software without any bugs whatsoever.

The reason I am so happy is that Apple fixed my trackpad! It works flawlessly now. In Safari I can finally scroll quickly and my trackpad is precise and quick.

[Maxiseller]

Safari won't work on any of my three machines! What is going on?!

[Lacero]

Safari won't work on any of my three machines! What is going on?!How are you typing your post?

[aflanary]

10.3.9 broke Safarisorter. Must be a change in the bookmarks format that is not compatible.

[Stella]

Javascript appears to be faster. :->

Also, pop up blocker is better - even blocks the pop ups on DrudgeReport.com, which it didn't do previously :->

For the first time, a software update has given me an improvement in overall performance of Safari. No more problems with losing the mouse cursor after logging out; no problems with sleep.

As someone who's considering one of the new 15" PowerBooks, it's also comforting to know that the ScrollPad issues have been, more than likely, solved with this update.

Excepting the plug-in problems with Safari that others have reported, it would appear that Panther has indeed approached its pinnacle.

(Using a Rev B Dual 2.0, with 4G RAM - the "Chevy Suburban" of computers in terms of raw, abusive power, delivered with the smoothness and perfection of a 7-series BMW...!)

[jbrjake]

But, why will Apple need to do all the bug fixing (your term) to Tiger if it's already stable?
Two quotes:

"The ugliest code I ever saw was the junk I wrote two months ago. The
greatest code I ever saw is the stuff I'm writing today. This statement
will still be true two months from now."
-- John Norstad, Disinfectant author

"Every program has at least one bug and can be shortened by at least
one instruction -- from which, by induction, one can deduce that every
program can be reduced to one instruction which doesn't work."
--(Author Unknown)

[azrussell132]

just downloaded...no problems yet...fingers crossed.

:)

[cgc]

I checked out Safari 1.2.4 via http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/benchjs/benchjs.html and it was very slow. Camino destroyed it. Now, Safari 1.3 is REALLY fast for JavaScript. Here are my test results:

Safari 1.2.4: 198.23 seconds (#487 our of 502)
Camino 0.83: 18.64 seconds (#306 out of 502)
Safari 1.3: 12.91 seconds (#109 out of 502)

[Maxiseller]

I'm typing in Netscape. It's not a massive problem, it's just a pain as I much prefer safari - plus it has all my bookmarks!

Now fixed : Gave up and finally deleted the new version and downloaded 1.2 Works ok now.

[jibberia]

YES!!! eBay is useful again! This has been KILLING me!

Java and safari work fine for me (no safari plugins) - 800mhz tibook.

edit: Also, using the Keyboard Shortcuts system preference pane, I was able to change View Source back to cmd-opt-V. Why they changed it to U is beyond me - maybe rhyming with the "-iew" in "view source"?

[habibbijan]

Like many others, I was abhorred by the 10.3.9 update. Safari was rendered useless and no java applications worked. Though people have hinted at these solutions, here they are again.

1) To fix Safari, remove extraneous third-party plug-ins. Acidsearch seems to be a major culprit.

2) To fix the java problems, you need to update prebinding again. Downloading the 2005-002 security update does this indirectly, or you can just update prebindings from the Terminal.
sudo update_prebinding -root / -force -verbose

This worked for me *without* a reboot. I'm now perfectly happy with the 10.3.9 update. For the record, I don't have any external firewire hard drives, so I can't comment on that.

Hope that helps someone.

[manu chao]

Somebody over at Appleinsider found these nice strings (again) in 10.3.9:
"PowerMac7_2", "PowerMac8_1", and "PowerMac9_1"

Does anybody know what the current models (Powermac, iMac, eMac, MacMini) have as identifiers?

[wdlove]

I'm typing in Netscape. It's not a massive problem, it's just a pain as I much prefer safari - plus it has all my bookmarks!

Now fixed : Gave up and finally deleted the new version and downloaded 1.2 Works ok now.

My wife was having problems with her 15" PowerBook and Safari. She thinks that it's fixed now. Last evening she downloaded Safari and it worked alright. Then this morning the problem persisted at first. Apple must have made some internal changes. So far so good for now.

[AppleMatt]

YES!!! eBay is useful again! This has been KILLING me!

I hope by this you mean I can search eBay without beach-balling, if so this has made my day.

I've noticed Safari is loads faster, and the UI seems faster too.

AppleMatt (runs off to check eBay)

[sord]

Ooh I just noticed that pressing shift command left/right in a text box now does what it should instead of chanigng tabs in Safari. That bugged the crap out of me before

[feathrex]

My bluetooth module was non-functional after the 10.3.8 update and 10.3.9 fixed it. Yea!

[wdlove]

I hope by this you mean I can search eBay without beach-balling, if so this has made my day.

I've noticed Safari is loads faster, and the UI seems faster too.

AppleMatt (runs off to check eBay)

It will be an awesome thing if 10.3.9 fixes getting the beach-ball on certain sites. It has become very annoying at times.

[lssmit02]

I checked out Safari 1.2.4 via http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/benchjs/benchjs.html and it was very slow. Camino destroyed it. Now, Safari 1.3 is REALLY fast for JavaScript. Here are my test results:

Safari 1.2.4: 198.23 seconds (#487 our of 502)
Camino 0.83: 18.64 seconds (#306 out of 502)
Safari 1.3: 12.91 seconds (#109 out of 502)

Safari is definitely faster for me now in java:

Safari, 10.29 seconds, ranking: 103 out of 502 testers
Firefox 1.x, 23.33 seconds, ranking: 323 out of 502 testers

[YS2003]

I just reinstalled Security Update 2005-02 (tip from Apple forum) and it cured my Java problem. Java is now working fine with Safari.

Jack
:D

It seems 10.3.9 update crushed Safari. Deleting plist from Safari Preference did not work. Security update 2005-02 did not work. Re-installing combo update 10.3.9 did not work. Java 1.4.2 update 2 did not work.

Time to take out the OS disk for clean install back to 10.3.7. Good thing I only tried this update with Ti. I think I will wait till Apple fix this before I risk my other 2 PBs.

[jmcald]

I have a LaCie Porsche.


UH OH - mine is the same. It is totally dead... But, it is fairly new, so still should be under warrantee.

[Tideswimmer]

Safari now properly shows the Panda cam feed from the San Diego Zoo.

That was a major improvement that I’ve been waiting for; gotta love those Pandas! :D

http://www.sandiegozoo.org/pandas/pandacam/index.html

[HAViK]

On a whim, I downloaded Security Update 2005-002 from the OS X download site and reinstalled it (I had previously installed it from Software Update prior to installing 10.3.9). This fixed java and now my java based applications work!

AHHHH! THANK YOU MY FRIEND!

Regards..

[jicon]

STILL no fix for the DVI driver/firmware issue with the mac mini :mad:

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

It seems 10.3.9 update crushed Safari. Deleting plist from Safari Preference did not work. Security update 2005-02 did not work. Re-installing combo update 10.3.9 did not work. Java 1.4.2 update 2 did not work.

Time to take out the OS disk for clean install back to 10.3.7. Good thing I only tried this update with Ti. I think I will wait till Apple fix this before I risk my other 2 PBs.
Are you using Pithelmet or any other 3rd party stuff...? Early in this thread many complained that they had to uninstall different Safari enhancers after upgrading...

[spullara]

After I installed 10.3.9 the sound in Doom 3 is gone. Does anyone else have a system they can test this with?

[matticus008]

Another random note, if you click on a user name in the forum the profile box rolls out from the corner, I'm sure it didn't do this before. Apple gives us more eye candy - woohoo!! :p

(I'm using Safari by the way).

It did do this before. Just not in Safari. (Firefox, Camino, Mozilla, IE, Opera, OmniWeb...).

Meanwhile, the update makes the trackpad and mouse settings usable on my PowerBook. Window resizing, as someone else noted, is much better! No Java troubles here. :)

[Rower_CPU]

Interesting, considering that this post appears on the n'th page of a thread mainly discussing problems that the 10.3.9 update has been causing people. (Including a report that it's *still* screwing up external 1394 hard drives!)

This thread can in no way be taken as an overall indicator of the quality of this update - we always have a *very* vocal group that talks about all their issues with updates. Whether this group is in the minority or the majority can't be inferred from this thread since we discourage people from spamming the threads with "no problems here" or "works for me" posts.

You've been around long enough to know that AS...

[cgc]

It seems 10.3.9 update crushed Safari. Deleting plist from Safari Preference did not work. Security update 2005-02 did not work. Re-installing combo update 10.3.9 did not work. Java 1.4.2 update 2 did not work.

Time to take out the OS disk for clean install back to 10.3.7. Good thing I only tried this update with Ti. I think I will wait till Apple fix this before I risk my other 2 PBs.

Uninstall any Safari add-ons like AcidSearch. Mine didn't work either then I read about that. Now it runs great...much faster too.

[displaced]

I've just glanced over the PithHelmet and SIMBL pages, and there's something that bothers me a little...

(NB: I'm not a user of PithHelmet, or even Safari for that matter)

Shouldn't these tools which patch an existing application state clearly that they are liable to either stop functioning themseleves if the target program is updated, or cause any updated version of the target program to malfunction?

If I were running these kinds of utlities, and the target app started misbehaving, disabling the parasite apps would be the first thing I'd try -- even before posting a complaint on forums.macrumors.com ;)

There should be a quick, easy-to-access toggle which can universally disable runtime patching of applications, simply so that the user can trace the cause of any odd behaviour quickly & easily.

I'm not saying these apps are intrinsically bad. Indeed, apps like PithHelmet make Safari the perfect browser for many people. But doesn't it make sense to ensure the user's fully informed on the possible outcomes of using these apps at critical points such as after updating the system?

[solomania9]

Anyone else notice that the scroll bar in the activity monitor is a lot smaller?

[Orlando Furioso]

After I installed 10.3.9 the sound in Doom 3 is gone. Does anyone else have a system they can test this with?

Sound in Doom 3 working fine after the update here.

Are you still not getting any sound?

[Stella]

WHOOO HOOO!!!
Safari now has Undo features ( very useful in forms like these )

[YS2003]

Uninstall any Safari add-ons like AcidSearch. Mine didn't work either then I read about that. Now it runs great...much faster too.
No plug in for my Mac. So, I know there is no 3rd party plug-in which is getting in the way for the 10.3.9 and Safari 1.3. I downloaded good old 1.2 from Apple web site and I was able to use Safari with my Ti. Again, I did combo update to 10.3.9, security update 2005-002, disk permissions, and re-boot (all by the book, according to the previous post). This did not work either. Now I need to donwload Safari 1.2 again to get back on the trusty 1.2.

[dbooster]

The update worked fine for me. Although Safari and Mail both take a lot longer to load, but once loaded they are fine.

I had pithhelmet installed and now when I load Safari a message from pithhelmet pops up telling me it detects a new version of safari and informing me that it is disabling itself. I was using the 2.2 release of pithhelmet - I wonder why so many of you aren't getting this message.

[RedTomato]

I see 3.2.10 coming out VERY quickly after all this.

So far, we've had broken java, broken safari, trashed external hard drives.

Apple has dealt with breaking external drives before, but breaking java and breaking safari are not small things.

3.2.8 had many small problems but nothing serious. (for me, fickering of my pb backlight was the worse, I simply turned off the light autosensing, and accepted that my pb was a little less cool for a while.. :( now fixed in 10.3.9 :)

3.2.7 seems to have been the best one so far....

My experience with 10..3.9.... (15" PB 1.5ghz) ... repaired everything with stermachine both before and after downloading.

Got blue screen of death when rebooting. EEK!

Yes, a blank featureless expanse of blue (with a mouse pointer that responded to trackpad input) on my laptop eek!!

After 10 mins, still blue, so rebooted.

Came up fine phew! Noticed that now the top menu takes an age to load when booting. Top righthand menubar icons (clock etc) are drawn way before the menu bar loads, making my powerbook look like some kind of borked windows machine :( ( for a few seconds / half a minute anyway)

Java - hmm broken huh.

Rebooted, repaired permissions, prebinding etc. still broken.

Dowloaded the security update and rebooted (again!) Java working fine now.

Normally use firefox, but after reading this thread, gave safari a go.

Wow, starts instantly! Like magic! But crashes when exiting. Twice so far.

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x77656276

Hmm. Borked. This update has its good points, but Apple have bodged up in other places.

Expect to see a new update PDQ.

RedTomato

[YS2003]

It looks like this 10.3.9 is a mixed bag; it works for some and it does not for the rest. A good update should work without re-installing previous security updates or java updates. This is the first update I had a problem. The previous updates were installed successfuly without re-installing previous updates/patches. It seems this update requires more work from the user to make it work. My Safari in Ti is un-usable because of the update and I can only "upgrade" to 1.2 (which i did and I can use Safari now).

[Lacero]

For the people having problems, are you running any sort of haxies or third party utilities?

[Mord]

all java applications dont work now :( major major flaw :mad:

can someone elce try useing this app http://thomas.perrier.name/software/Graphiccelerator.html you dont have to do anything with it just see if it starts, it's a java app.

[daveL]

all java applications dont work now :( major major flaw :mad:
Didn't read the thread? Known solution is to re-install this:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/securityupdate2005002macosx1034orlater.html

[Mord]

Didn't read the thread? Known solution is to re-install this:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/securityupdate2005002macosx1034orlater.html

thanks, it's 12 pages long, i'm too busy being scared ******** by doom 3 to read 12 pages :)

[longshot520]

Only had a Mac for the last couple of weeks (got bored with Windows and wanted to try a proper Operating System ;)) but after running with 10.3.8 for the last few weeks and today updating to 10.3.9 I cant say I've experienced any issues. Safari v1.3 seems much faster than the previous 1.2 version which was disappointing speedwise for me so so far so good!

[TrenchcoatJedi]

STICKIES UPDATE! YESSSS! I can barely contain myself. I hear this one is the stickies minor bug fix we've all been waiting for. No need for Tiger now! :eek:

Piss off man! Stickies is my friggin' life line!

[rikers_mailbox]

I noticed a new tool inside my Utilities Folder; NetInfo Manager. Any idea what this is useful for?

Or has it always been there, and I'm just blind? :)

[MCroft]

I noticed a new tool inside my Utilities Folder; NetInfo Manager. Any idea what this is useful for?

Or has it always been there, and I'm just blind? :)
I'm pretty sure it's been there since the beta.

It's useful for things like moving user directories to other drives and other low-level poking at the system.

[wdlove]

No plug in for my Mac. So, I know there is no 3rd party plug-in which is getting in the way for the 10.3.9 and Safari 1.3. I downloaded good old 1.2 from Apple web site and I was able to use Safari with my Ti. Again, I did combo update to 10.3.9, security update 2005-002, disk permissions, and re-boot (all by the book, according to the previous post). This did not work either. Now I need to download Safari 1.2 again to get back on the trusty 1.2.

I was hoping that after your post above, that you would have success. My wife's 15" PowerBook has had Safari crashes since the update. She is doing the combo update currently. Certainly hoping that it will be successful.

I know that Rower_CPU is correct. That those with problems generally post more. Just to be safe, going to wait on updating the older G3 iBook and & Power Mac G4.

[daveL]

I noticed a new tool inside my Utilities Folder; NetInfo Manager. Any idea what this is useful for?

Or has it always been there, and I'm just blind? :)
The latter :) It's a tool for editing the netinfo database. You an add/delete/modify users, groups, aliases, etc.

[izzle22]

I Think you people having problems have done some screwy things with your Macs. I have had OSX since Jaguar and never had any problems except with my G5 fans on last update. This update has fixed the fan problem and works perfectly with Safari, Java, Etc. So don't blame your problems on Apple or this update.

[rikers_mailbox]

The latter :) It's a tool for editing the netinfo database. You an add/delete/modify users, groups, aliases, etc.

hrmph. I don't know why I didn't see it before. :confused: I just made myself look like a total n00b. :p And for my second act. .

What are pre-bindings, and why do they need updating?

. . . upgraded to 10.3.9 with no issues. Now I'm debating whether to get Tiger right away or wait until 10.4.1, but that's a different topic.

[bbyrdhouse]

STICKIES UPDATE! YESSSS! I can barely contain myself. I hear this one is the stickies minor bug fix we've all been waiting for. No need for Tiger now! :eek:

Yes me too, I can hardley make it through a day without using the stickies ;)

I mean this feature alone is worth the download. How did we ever make it this far along with a stickies program that had "bugs"

:D

[robjohn3333]

Has anyone found this? Since upgrading to 10.3.9 Limewire won't open. I tried re-installing it but it still doesn't work....
- robjohn
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Power Mac Dual 2Ghz

[groovebuster]

Had some issues with Mail and Safari since 10.3.8. They are all resolved now with 10.3.9! :-) Cool!

groovebuster

[CubaTBird]

my comp works fine... so go figure :rolleyes:

[davekramer]

It looks like this 10.3.9 is a mixed bag; it works for some and it does not for the rest.... My Safari in Ti is un-usable because of the update and I can only "upgrade" to 1.2 (which i did and I can use Safari now).

Like a bunch of other people around here, I had the same problem. I un-installed AcidSearch, as suggested, and bingo! Safari 1.3 now works just fine.

[SAdProZ]

Just upgraded/updated to 10.3.9, and like my last two updates, I have noticed no difference. My brand new powerbook has been amazingly perfect. Im sure there are bugs needed to be fixed, but for me, I almost didnt cause I couldnt come up with reason too. Now that I am witness to the incredible beauty that is Panther (and soon Tiger), I only have one question: What is up with Winblows Ex-Girlfriend Pee?

[swissmann]

I wonder how many of us will actually really even use this update. Nothing is really horrible for me in 10.3.8 that I am desperate to fix before I go to Tiger in 2 weeks. So the only people who really are going to use this are those who don't upgrade to Tiger any time soon. How many people are in that small boat I wonder?

[iBunny]

Just wanted to give my 2 cents about 10.3.9

Safari is wicked faster compared to what it was and that makes me happy!!!

everything else works.... just waiting on my Tiger to get here ;)

[pimentoLoaf]

Wasn't going to bother, having ordered Tiger earlier this week. Since it will take two weeks, though...

Runs fine and Mail is noticeably quicker on my 1.33ghz pb 17".

[duffman9000]

Still cant cut and paste in the Fiinder ..... it has always baffled me why there is an option to cut (command-x) but it is always greyed out.

Trying to cut and paste a file/folder? That doesn't work on a mac and will probably never be implemented. Yes, i don't see the point of always having to use drag and drop.

[ColoJohnBoy]

Has anyone found this? Since upgrading to 10.3.9 Limewire won't open. I tried re-installing it but it still doesn't work....

LimeWire works like a charm on mine. I have no idea what's wrong.

[Nermal]

can't you just use the australian settings? it basically the same...... :D :D :D

Grr :mad:

Seriously, while the Aussie settings may be correct for them, they're still wrong for NZ.

[xsnightclub]

Trying to cut and paste a file/folder? That doesn't work on a mac and will probably never be implemented. Yes, i don't see the point of always having to use drag and drop.

Try to COPY, then Paste - works great for Files & Folders. CUT and Paste CAN'T work, since you would be trying to CUT it before Pasting.

However, the CUT command does work when you a doing things such as renaming files or folders.

It is all quite logical.

[daveL]

Has anyone found this? Since upgrading to 10.3.9 Limewire won't open. I tried re-installing it but it still doesn't work....
- robjohn
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Power Mac Dual 2Ghz
Limewire is a Java app.

As posted a number of times in this thread, you're having problems with Java. If to re-install this:

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/securityupdate2005002macosx1034orlater.html

you'll be good to go.

[NATO]

Flawless upgrade to 10.3.9, no issues whatsoever.

My Powerbook is now Perfect! The only issue I had was the slow vertical tracking on the new trackpads and it's fixed. The trackpad works a dream!

[daveL]

hrmph. I don't know why I didn't see it before. :confused: I just made myself look like a total n00b. :p And for my second act. .

What are pre-bindings, and why do they need updating?

. . . upgraded to 10.3.9 with no issues. Now I'm debating whether to get Tiger right away or wait until 10.4.1, but that's a different topic.
Objective C features run-time binding to dynamic libraries, but this slows down program loading. Pre-binding goes through all the OS executables and binds them to the dynamic libraries they need, thus improving the application launch performance. Whenever the apps or libraries change, the process has to be repeated. When you install something and you see the "optimizing system" message, that's pre-binding being done.

[Spidermanjohn]

My Dock is much smoother on my 12", 1.33 PowerBooks. Safari is very fast and didn't even lose my bookmarks. I did not use auto update. Repaired permission before and after the install and all is well on two of my 12" 1.33, PowerBooks. :)

[Wonder Boy]

I don't mind starting this debate again. Mathematically, 10.3.10 is the equivalent of 10.3.1. But then the second decimal point is mathematically incorrect, so anything's possible ...

we're not doing our taxes where decimal places count. this is all visual.10.3.10 will show up in software update and in text. .10 is perfectly fine.

[fabsgwu]

I'm experiencing a lot of application crashes with 10.3.9: iTunes, Mail, AIM, eyeTV to name a few... here's hoping for 10.3.10 (get over it with the number people, geez).

[MCroft]

I'm experiencing a lot of application crashes with 10.3.9: iTunes, Mail, AIM, eyeTV to name a few... here's hoping for 10.3.10.
I'd rather hope we could figure out your problem and fix it, because I want Apple working on 10.4.1 with new features.

Have you looked at crashlogs? Do you have any odd extensions or startup items that might conflict? Is it only apps that connect to the internet?

[duffman9000]

Try to COPY, then Paste - works great for Files & Folders. CUT and Paste CAN'T work, since you would be trying to CUT it before Pasting.

However, the CUT command does work when you a doing things such as renaming files or folders.

It is all quite logical.

How about just renaming cut to move when referring to a folder?
Having to always use drag and drop (or the terminal) to move a file/folder is a PITA.

"CUT and Paste CAN'T work, since you would be trying to CUT it before Pasting."
???
I don't think you've ever used cut and paste on a different OS.

[MCroft]

How about just renaming cut to move when referring to a folder?
Having to always use drag and drop (or the terminal) to move a file/folder is a PITA.
Wouldn't it be next-to-trivial to make a "Move File/Folder" Contextual Menu item that

Saved the path to a file/folder if the Menu Item was invoked on a file/folder
Pasted the File/Folder if invoked in folderspace.


You might even be able to do this in applescript.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

Has anyone found this? Since upgrading to 10.3.9 Limewire won't open. I tried re-installing it but it still doesn't work....
- robjohn
----------
Power Mac Dual 2GhzIsn't Limewire made with Java...?

Open terminal and type Java -version

If you get an error you need to follow the Java fix mentioned earlier in the thread (downloading and reinstalling Mac OS Security update 2005-002, as far as I can remember...)

[recursivejon]

I'm having trouble downloading it, it says that it cant connect to the server. But my internet is working fine???

I hear that's a bug that's fixed by the 10.3.9 update.

[recursivejon]

we're not doing our taxes where decimal places count. this is all visual.10.3.10 will show up in software update and in text. .10 is perfectly fine.

Yeah, the version is a string, not a float; it could be 10.3.the~end for all it matters.

[VanNess]

I don't know if this has been posted here yet so sorry if this is repetitive. Here's a link to David Hyatt's (one of the lead developers for Safari) weblog that gives a little more info about the changes that were made in Safari 1.3

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/index.html

I didn't have any of the crash upon launch issues that some have reported, but I have left Safari alone (no haxies or extensions) since I got my Panther pre-installed eMac over a year ago. I do notice that Safari still has some issues with websites that are both java and javascript heavy and appear to be coded using Microsoft tools. In other words, some beachball appreciation time, then the JVM on the webpage finally loads. Firefox seem to handle those more consistently, but so far in my surfing experience they are very few and far between. Safari stills handles 99.9 percent of what I throw at it without any problems. I did try the security update fix and that appears to have resolved problems with java/javascript sites that started crashing Safari 1.3 that otherwise just beachballed as described earlier in 1.2. Now Safari 1.3 beachballs them just like Safari 1.2

The 10.3.9 update went without problems for me. Seems to have speeded things up a little bit, but speed impressions always tend to be a bit subjective. No major issues have surfaced for me.

Score: :) :) :) :)

[Rower_CPU]

I've just glanced over the PithHelmet and SIMBL pages, and there's something that bothers me a little...

(NB: I'm not a user of PithHelmet, or even Safari for that matter)

Shouldn't these tools which patch an existing application state clearly that they are liable to either stop functioning themseleves if the target program is updated, or cause any updated version of the target program to malfunction?

If I were running these kinds of utlities, and the target app started misbehaving, disabling the parasite apps would be the first thing I'd try -- even before posting a complaint on forums.macrumors.com ;)

There should be a quick, easy-to-access toggle which can universally disable runtime patching of applications, simply so that the user can trace the cause of any odd behaviour quickly & easily.

I'm not saying these apps are intrinsically bad. Indeed, apps like PithHelmet make Safari the perfect browser for many people. But doesn't it make sense to ensure the user's fully informed on the possible outcomes of using these apps at critical points such as after updating the system?


Saft (http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/) is a SIMBL plug-in that I've used for a while now - it warns you when you launch Safari after a Safari update that it may not be compatible and gives you the option to disable it or try to use it anyway. The developer usually has a new version in less than a day from Apple's updates, but it's still nice to know that some developers provide a way to warn you of potential issues.

[lssmit02]

Here's a link to David Hyatt's (one of the lead developers for Safari) weblog that gives a little more info about the changes that were made in Safari 1.3

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/index.html



from that site: In addition the new decoders are incredibly fast and are now run on a separate thread on multi-processor machines on Tiger.

That's what I like to hear! :D

[mcgarry]

Safari won't load any graphics on news.bbc.co.uk
...

wow, me too

EDIT: on the second try (no restart, no quit/re-launch, just on the second try to go to the page) it works fine. Very odd.

I also have to say that so far Safari feels noticeably faster. It was very slow at first, right after the update, but seems to have moved past whatever was bothering it ... or this is all in my head. No, I do not run any add-ons/mods to Safari.

[zweigand]

Has anybody else noticed that you can no longer option-click a download to see the speed (instead of the estimated download time).... strange huh?.
Dunno if anyone has answered you yet, but it is no longer an option ...it's standard. Just drag your download window out to be a little wider and it will pop up in parenthesis.

:)

[Nermal]

"CUT and Paste CAN'T work, since you would be trying to CUT it before Pasting."
???
I don't think you've ever used cut and paste on a different OS.

I'm not actually sure what he was trying to say there, but...

With every Mac app, choosing Cut will move the selected text onto the clipboard. Pasting will then copy it from the clipboard to the selected area.

Under Windows, most apps behave the same way. But for some reason Windows Explorer's Cut function behaves differently - choosing Cut doesn't move the selected item to the clipboard, it copies it. Then when you Paste, it deletes the original. This is very inconsistent!

[dont24]

I can't get my external firewire drive to mount, after installing 10.3.9. My external exclosure is also USB. I plug in a USB cable, drive mounts fine. I thought I saw other people are having the same issue?

[maya]

Upgrading to 10.4 instead, I can hold off on 10.3.9. :)

[lssmit02]

I can't get my external firewire drive to mount, after installing 10.3.9. My external exclosure is also USB. I plug in a USB cable, drive mounts fine. I thought I saw other people are having the same issue?
Firewire 400 disk seems to mount fine for me. It's an OWC enclosure with the Oxford chip.

[jim.]

"CUT and Paste CAN'T work, since you would be trying to CUT it before Pasting."
???
I don't think you've ever used cut and paste on a different OS.
Wow, that is easily one of the funniest, and most backwards, things I have ever read. Sure you didn't mix something up there?

Jim

Edit: Or I could be missing something. Is he not cutting first? Maybe I'm misreading something.

[Frisco]

I forwarded this to the apple forums and at least one other user has succeeded with this. Anyone with the Java failure should definitely try it.

Thanks! re-installing security update 2005-002 fixed my Java Problems.

[iSpud]

I just hope Apple keeps on updating Safari for Panther users. It is pleasing to note that Hyatt's blog states that 1.3 and 2.0 (the one in Tiger) are essentially the same in terms of rendering and standards. All that is different is some graphics stuff and of course RSS.

That would be nice if apple keeps Safari Panther fresh with render and standards improvements. RSS and other stuff isn't that necessary for me.

[YS2003]

I installed the fresh copy of 10.3.7 on my Ti (erase & install) as I had some issues with 10.3.9. I started from the beginning and ran all those updates including 10.3.9 combo update. I worked. I can use Safari and no other problems so far.

I installed 10.3.9 combo on my 12" PB. That was an update from 10.3.7 to 10.3.9 via combo update via software update in System Preference. Safari worked without installing any additional patches. So far, no problems.

I will install 10.3.9 on my 15" PB soon, as it is still running on 10.3.8. Hope it works as well.

[cb911]

excellt to see improved Safari and Mail reliability... maybe i'll be able to go back to Safari from Firefox. :D but Firefox does have that neat extension that re-loads any web pages you had open when it quit or crashed...

but i'm thinking i'm not going to bother with this update... should really be concentrating on getting everything backed up ready for a fresh install when Tiger comes. :D

[x86isslow]

I haven't read the whole thread, but has anyone else had problems opening PDFs, Mpegs, AVIs in 10.3.9?

Attempting to open the file will launch the assoc. application, but then beachingballing and 100% CPU usage follows. The only way to recover is to force-quit the application. :(

Is there any way to go back to 10.3.8? :confused:

[jettredmont]

It seems like my Java support won't work at all now. I can't run Eclipse, Netbeans, java or javac from the command line, and my Tomcat server isn't coming up at startup.

Any clues?

Same here. Segmentation fault when I start Java of any sort.

[jim.]

Update prebinding and Java should fix itself :)
I was under the impression that updates automatically updated the prebinding. That's what the optimizing part of an install consists of

Care to elaborate? Do we need to update manually from the terminal in addition to the update file?

Jim

[jettredmont]

I don't mind starting this debate again. Mathematically, 10.3.10 is the equivalent of 10.3.1. But then the second decimal point is mathematically incorrect, so anything's possible ...

Um, duh, exactly. Mathematically, there ain't no such thing as 10.3.1 OR 10.3.10.

We're playing byu software versioning rules here, not gradeschool mathematics. By software versioning rules, each number between decimal points, or before the first or after the last, is a separate, distinct, whole number. "3.1" and "3.10" and "3.100" are vastly different releases.

I could understand the "but "3.1" and "3.10" are the same number!" crap when there's just one decimal point, because then you can at least make the argument that the number makes sense in a decimal counting schema as well as a version numbering schema. HOWEVER, the instant you have multiple periods in there, or dashes anywhere beside the first character, or letters aside perhaps from "e", or anything of that sort, THIS IS NOT A VALID DECIMAL NOTATION NUMBER!!!

Get over it, folks. What comes after 10.3.9? It could be any of three possibilities, barring version-skipping possibilities: "10.3.10" (a bug fix release built on 10.3.9), "10.4.0" (a minor release built on 10.3.x), or "11.0.0" (a major release built on 10.x.y). In Apple's schema, "major release" apparently means something like a ground-up rewrite these days as we've had three releases in a row which normally would have qualified as "major" releases sent out as "minor" releases ... but that's just a minor detail.

Anyways, way too much time spent explaining the obvious.

[jettredmont]

I was under the impression that updates automatically updated the prebinding. That's what the optimizing part of an install consists of

Care to elaborate? Do we need to update manually from the terminal in addition to the update file?

Jim

Updated prebinding for /usr/bin/java.

Still SIGSEGs on startup.

Just reinstalled 2005-002 (Java 1.4.2) update. Restarting now ...

EDIT: Reinstalling Java 1.4.2 worked.

Question: What did 10.3.9 TRY to update with Java that I'm now missing?

[peripatetic]

Anyone having any problems with Safari and Mail loading/quitting with 10.3.9? My Safari bounces about 20-30 times before it loads. Mail takes about a minute to quit. Anyone experience anything similar?

[xelterran]

safari lost the save ass option

[mad jew]

safari lost the save ass option

What do you mean? I can still 'Save As' web pages in Safari.

[powerbook911]

What do you mean? I can still 'Save As' web pages in Safari.

I never understood why Safari didn't have the ability to save images. Is there a way?

[Jetson]

Why is everyone saying that Safari 1.3 is included with this OS X 10.3.9 upgrade?

I installed the Panther 10.3.9 upgrade yesterday and checked "About Safari" and behold, the current version is Safari 1.2.4 (v125.12).

Where are you guys getting Safari 1.3 from?

[mad jew]

I never understood why Safari didn't have the ability to save images. Is there a way?


Go to print it and then press the 'Save As PDF' button instead.

[peripatetic]

Also... anyone else notice that GoogleMaps all of a sudden doesn't work properly anymore. Maps will display, but the directions option makes some weird display.

Anyone else?

[mad jew]

Why is everyone saying that Safari 1.3 is included with this OS X 10.3.9 upgrade?

I installed the Panther 10.3.9 upgrade yesterday and checked "About Safari" and behold, the current version is Safari 1.2.4 (v125.12).

Where are you guys getting Safari 1.3 from?


Your sure? Mine's 1.3 :D

[xelterran]

What do you mean? I can still 'Save As' web pages in Safari.

it doesnt allow u to select what dir to save it in anymore (ctl-click) :mad:

[mad jew]

it doesnt allow u to select what dir to save it in anymore (ctl-click) :mad:

Do you mean like 'Download linked file'?

[Androit]

hold down option also it changes the contextual menu.

it doesnt allow u to select what dir to save it in anymore (ctl-click) :mad:

[trife life]

Safari 1.3 now crashes EVERY TIME it loads a Java applet from Yahoo! Games. grrr... no more Spades, Pool, or Dominoes for me:(

I should've read this forum before updating this morning.

[mad jew]

hold down option also it changes the contextual menu.

Cool tip, thanks for that. :D

[ShnikeJSB]

Why is everyone saying that Safari 1.3 is included with this OS X 10.3.9 upgrade?

I installed the Panther 10.3.9 upgrade yesterday and checked "About Safari" and behold, the current version is Safari 1.2.4 (v125.12).

Where are you guys getting Safari 1.3 from?
<BR>
<BR>
Apple's installer is too dumb to update Safari in any other folder but the Applications folder. I had Safari in a different partition, and realized the update installed Safari 1.3 into my Applications folder, and left 1.2.4 alone in my Internet partition. So, it is probably in there now. -JB

[Nermal]

I never understood why Safari didn't have the ability to save images. Is there a way?

Just drag the image to wherever you want to save it (eg. your desktop).

I was under the impression that updates automatically updated the prebinding. That's what the optimizing part of an install consists of

Care to elaborate? Do we need to update manually from the terminal in addition to the update file?

It seems that updating prebinding doesn't work for everyone, but installing the security update seems to have a 100% success rate. I have now deleted my previous post, since it didn't have accurate information.

[neverni]

I think I solved my safari crash. I noticed something suspicious in the crash log...

0x1000 - 0xccfff com.apple.Safari 1.3 (312) /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/MacOS/Safari
0x426000 - 0x427fff com.presenta.iGetterIMBundle 2.1 /Users/jmyers/Library/InputManagers/iGetterIMBundle/iGetterIMBundle.bundle/Contents/MacOS/iGetterIMBundle
0x430000 - 0x431fff com.presenta.iGetterSafariBundle 2.1 /Users/jmyers/Library/InputManagers/iGetterIMBundle/iGetterIMBundle.bundle/Contents/Resources/iGetterSafariBundle.bundle/Contents/MacOS/iGetterSafariBundle

So I deleted ~/Library/InputManagers/iGetterIMBundle/iGetterIMBundle.bundle , and Safari no longer crashes! Cool!

I hope this helps other people too.....

It helped me, thank you very much!

[neverni]

Also... anyone else notice that GoogleMaps all of a sudden doesn't work properly anymore. Maps will display, but the directions option makes some weird display.

Anyone else?
google maps never worked for me.

[Rod Rod]

I can't get my external firewire drive to mount, after installing 10.3.9. My external exclosure is also USB. I plug in a USB cable, drive mounts fine. I thought I saw other people are having the same issue?
When running Software Update, one should NEVER have external FireWire hard drives connected (unless the external FW drive is your boot drive). Eject the FW drive, turn it off and disconnect the FW cable. THEN install your SW updates.

Anyway you may not be completely out of luck. It's possible that your FW drive will appear when you open Disk Utility (with your drive connected via FW, not USB). If it appears in Disk Utility it should be grayed out. Select it and then click "Mount."

[manu chao]

Maybe that's old news, but (Word) files not having a file name extension, when dragged upon the Mail Dock icon, do not create a new e-mail.

[Applespider]

I never understood why Safari didn't have the ability to save images. Is there a way?

As Nermal said, just drag the image to your desktop (or if you mount your HD on the desktop, hold it over there and, using the spring loaded folders, drop it off where you want it to be.

There does now appear to be another way. If you hold down control/option while you click on the image, there is a contextual menu for 'Save Image As' - if you just hold down control, then it will just show 'Save Image to the Desktop'

[mad jew]

Just drag the image to wherever you want to save it (eg. your desktop).

I thought he meant 'how to save the images when saving the whole page'. :D

[iFaulder]

My update went fine but now when i highlight text in Safari the highlight will jump around and not highlight what i need. I know it never did this to me before. Is there a fix or setting I need to change.

Ex. If i drag up, the highlight will go down.

[Tomaz]

hold down option also it changes the contextual menu.


Thanks for the hint, I didn't know that!
So after updating to 10.3.9 and thinking that in Safari 1.3 there's no "save as" anymore, I reinstalled Safari 1.2. Now that I know that you can "save as" in safari 1.3 I'd like to go back to the new version, but software update doesn't let me install 10.3.9 again.
Anyone knows how to trick software update so I can install 10.3.9 (or Safari 1.3) a second time?? :confused:

[mad jew]

If i drag up, the highlight will go down.

Yeah, I can't remember if it happened before but this whole coat-everything-with-a-bluey-tinge when I select text in Safari is pretty annoying. :(

[robjohn3333]

It worked - thanks for the advice!
- robjohn

Limewire is a Java app.

As posted a number of times in this thread, you're having problems with Java. If to re-install this:

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/securityupdate2005002macosx1034orlater.html

you'll be good to go.

[mad jew]

Thanks for the hint, I didn't know that!
So after updating to 10.3.9 and thinking that in Safari 1.3 there's no "save as" anymore, I reinstalled Safari 1.2. Now that I know that you can "save as" in safari 1.3 I'd like to go back to the new version, but software update doesn't let me install 10.3.9 again.
Anyone knows how to trick software update so I can install 10.3.9 (or Safari 1.3) a second time?? :confused:

You should be able to download it from the Apple.com website by now (they usually take a bit longer to post it up there for some reason). It's in the Downloads section:

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/

[Kelmon]

For some odd reason I felt compelled to read through all 16 pages of this thread AFTER installing the update. I can only say that I'm glad my installation went as smoothly as it did, particularly considering that I was trying to write a Java program for a friend immediately after installing the update. Anyway, no issues here on my old PowerBook and this thread has opened my eyes to some cool plug-ins that I'd certainly look at using when they are fixed (AcidSearch looks like something I could have used months ago).

Overall, it looks to have been a good update (Safari is fabulous) but I feel sorry for the guys that have experienced the problems.

Next stop, Tiger Town. :D

[dont24]

When running Software Update, one should NEVER have external FireWire hard drives connected (unless the external FW drive is your boot drive). Eject the FW drive, turn it off and disconnect the FW cable. THEN install your SW updates.

Anyway you may not be completely out of luck. It's possible that your FW drive will appear when you open Disk Utility (with your drive connected via FW, not USB). If it appears in Disk Utility it should be grayed out. Select it and then click "Mount."

I didn't know about disconnecting FW drives, before upgrading. No luck under Disk Utility. Disk doesn't show up when using the FW connection. Any ideas on how to fix it?

[Paramedic]

Thanks to all the beta testers out there. I'm going to update now that the 'ol .9 has been battle tested.

Edit: Latest update seems to have fixed issue I had accessing a vendor site.
No issues so far, or ever, hopefully! :rolleyes:

[i_am_a_cow]

I hope by this you mean I can search eBay without beach-balling, if so this has made my day.

I've noticed Safari is loads faster, and the UI seems faster too.

AppleMatt (runs off to check eBay)

Wow I just realized that places with lots of flash ads are loading very quick! Weather.com always took more than 30 seconds or something just to render, and now it's very fast. Thank goodness.

[mac-toria]

In regards to the fix for ps fonts, is this why my machines (12"PB, 17" iMac G5) take forever to start up? I've installed 10.3.9 but noticed maybe a slight speed up in start up time (7-8min as opposed to 10).

And I really hope this fixes the kernel panic on my 12"pb (867) that stops the mouse and keyboard from working. It actually froze just as I was about to run this update. With a 10 minute start up time, that bug was really starting to pmo.

[ruftytufty]

nerve.com seems much faster also

Interesting that some people think this update is too much trouble, or too risky to install, and will "just wait 2 weeks" for Tiger - to install the very first version of a major new MacOS release. If history repeats itself, lots of issues will turn up only after public release - some major, some minor - and will take some time to get ironed out. I may get a copy to play with, and I'm really looking forward to upgrading when I'm confident the apps/printer drivers/etc. I use will work, but I'm gonna wait for 10.4.1, or 2, or ???

[CubaTBird]

i notice now in safari 1.3 when i click the search and quick links fields on macrumors i get a little drop down menu... before it would just appear...

[mrzippy]

Since the update, Safari (1.3) crashes whenever I visit this page: www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp

Does the same thing happen to anyone else?

Fine here too.

[mrzippy]

Has no-one else noticed this, pages load as fast as Firefox.

Safari has always been slow on by 2mbit line.

Now everything pops right up, and no problems since update unlike other reports.

Power Mac dual 1.25 GHz (FW800)

[Porco]

I tried a 10.3.9 install on a firewire (800) drive and it mostly seems ok, but Safari takes ages to load the first time from a start-up (12 or 13 bounces in the dock). After quitting and launching again it loads in one bounce, even if I log out and in again... in 10.3.8 it takes about 2 or 3 bounces consistently (albeit that's on my internal SATA drive). Is it the drives or what gives? Anyone else had a similar issue?

[Montserrat]

OK Guys,
I've really managed to screw up here. I was in Safari at the time Mac Installer was optimising. At about 75% optimised Safari crashed. I was able to relaunch, but noticed that the version no. was 1.3

Eventually got to the end of optimisation restarted and now when I'm loading pages with tables & images Safari loads the text part, then sits there and wait.

Notably Apple Store page.

Ironic - I was going to buy Tiger today, but can't now.

I've done the usual - sudo periodic repairs, prebindings, cache, disk permissions and even tried reinstalling the update - nothing :confused: :(

Please, please help!!

UPDATE: I found using Firefox that it gets stuck - but still displays the page. However, in the status bar it says "Read a248.e.akamai.net" (When loading the Apple Store Page)

I've had real problems getting the football page from Yahoo.co.uk - Firefox stalls with a message saying Transferring data from eur.news1.yimg.com. But gets nowhere. Have I really ****ed my mac up?

I know this it trying to get something off the server, and it is happening on all the same pages as Safari gets stuck, but it manages to display some images, whereas Safari gets stuck.

I'm on the verge of spending the evening getting hold of my Panther disks and starting from scratch...


OK Panic over - the update fixed Passive Network settings, which were selected for some reason on my network settings - once I got home I tried Dial-up which worked fine - then went through my Network settings and tried again - all great. Safari now does seem faster than previously... Sorry if I caused anyone to hold back from updating - blame my incompetence - had one of those heart in mouth moments...

[YS2003]

I installed the fresh copy of 10.3.7 on my Ti (erase & install) as I had some issues with 10.3.9. I started from the beginning and ran all those updates including 10.3.9 combo update. I worked. I can use Safari and no other problems so far.

I installed 10.3.9 combo on my 12" PB. That was an update from 10.3.7 to 10.3.9 via combo update via software update in System Preference. Safari worked without installing any additional patches. So far, no problems.

I will install 10.3.9 on my 15" PB soon, as it is still running on 10.3.8. Hope it works as well.
I am pleased to report all of my PBs are running 10.3.9 and Safari 1.3. I checked my banks' website and was able to use the online banking as before. I can view Java-equipped websites without no problem. As other posters commented, Safari 1.3 is much faster than 1.2. Since all of my three different PBs are working well under 10.3.9, I think this update was a success.

[Jetson]

<BR>
<BR>
Apple's installer is too dumb to update Safari in any other folder but the Applications folder. I had Safari in a different partition, and realized the update installed Safari 1.3 into my Applications folder, and left 1.2.4 alone in my Internet partition. So, it is probably in there now. -JB


Thanks for the tip, ShnikeJSB. I searched my hard drive and found that Safari 1.3 had been placed into an obscure folder. Anyway now I'm up to date and ready to see what wonders the new Safari has in store for me!

[wdlove]

I didn't know about disconnecting FW drives, before upgrading. No luck under Disk Utility. Disk doesn't show up when using the FW connection. Any ideas on how to fix it?

I would leave your external FW drive connected. Run disk permissions again and then reboot. It's worth a try. If not then I would run a 3rd party utility like Norton or Tech Tools Pro.

[iMeowbot]

It seems to have been one of those unusually "interesting" updates for many people. Somehow it was an uneventful upgrade here (yay). With the Javascript changes, Safari is even usable now!

[macgallant]

Does anyone know if this fixes the loud, distorted audio on the MDD powermacs that started a couple of updates ago?

No, the MDD audio bug didn't get fixed in Mac OSX 10.3.9 update.

Darn it, Apple! Couldn't you have gotten things right with the final version of Panther!

I guess we'll have to wait for Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger and hope that will address our MDD Audio Distortion Problem. :mad:

[Rod Rod]

I didn't know about disconnecting FW drives, before upgrading. No luck under Disk Utility. Disk doesn't show up when using the FW connection. Any ideas on how to fix it?
This is from a comment about a hint on macosxhints.com (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20040827005041917&query=firewire+drive)
The most reliable way I have found (it seems to work 100% of the time for me) is to reboot in single-user mode (holding [COMMAND]-S) - then run" /sbin/fsck -y". When I exit single-user mode I have 9 lovely firewire disk icons sitting on my desktop.
Here's a helpful comment from another hint (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20030727114936242&query=firewire+drive):
I just got me an external firewire drive, which is too noisy for me too, and now found out, how to mount it with macosX terminal-
just type in 'disktool' - with '-l' you get a list of all mounted drives with their names- so when you know the name of your drive you can unmount(drag on paperback etc) it and later mount it with 'disktool -m diskname' - just 'disktool' gives you a list of all commands.

[ebow]

Just to add another data point...

No problems experienced by me from the update to 10.3.9. I did the "usual" repairing of permissions before updating, and used the large combo updater instead of the incremental one. When I run "java -version" from the command line I get the same result as before the update, so I'm assuming that's all fine (I don't think I have any Java apps to test).

So: the update is not guaranteed to give you problems. I just hope that the "necessity" of repairing permissions before an update doesn't hold as strongly for 10.4.x updates--I'm going to convince my parents to get a Mac mini, and I really don't want to have to teach them too many of the obscure tricks I've learned over the years.

[devman]

Just to add another data point...

No problems experienced by me from the update to 10.3.9. I did the "usual" repairing of permissions before updating, and used the large combo updater instead of the incremental one. When I run "java -version" from the command line I get the same result as before the update, so I'm assuming that's all fine (I don't think I have any Java apps to test).

So: the update is not guaranteed to give you problems. I just hope that the "necessity" of repairing permissions before an update doesn't hold as strongly for 10.4.x updates--I'm going to convince my parents to get a Mac mini, and I really don't want to have to teach them too many of the obscure tricks I've learned over the years.

FWIW I've never done a repair permissions before an update and I've never had a problem either. This is since the early 10.3 releases which is when I switched.

[Hibbity]

But you have to wonder, are these errors there to motivate us to buy Tiger? I switched when it was at 10.3.7, so I don't have much experience, but 10.3.8 worked just fine for me, and 10.3.9 just destroyed safari for me (though i did fix it)! Seriously, was 10.2.9 this bad? Just a thought, totally unsubstantiated.

[dmarkman]

OK Guys,
I've really managed to screw up here. I was in Safari at the time Mac Installer was optimising. At about 75% optimised Safari crashed. I was able to relaunch, but noticed that the version no. was 1.3


this is a very good post
it demonstrates a possible cause for all 10.3.9 update problems

quit all user application/processes before you launch 10.3.9 installer
(or any OS updater)
EVERYTHING!
open ActivityMonitor and make sure that you don't have any java there
if you're running tomcat server or similar java could be a root process
so kill it too


that's what I'm always doing
and I never had any problem with any 10.X update
10.3.9 included

[Rod Rod]

this is a very good post
it demonstrates a possible cause for all 10.3.9 update problems

quit all user application/processes before you launch 10.3.9 installer
(or any OS updater)
EVERYTHING!
open ActivityMonitor and make sure that you don't have any java there
if you're running tomcat server or similar java could be a root process
so kill it too


that's what I'm always doing
and I never had any problem with any 10.X update
10.3.9 included
After repairing disk permissions I log out and then log back in to make sure nothing's running . . . it's a bit easier than analyzing Activity Monitor processes. And of course I eject, switch off and unplug (the FW cables of) all FireWire devices.

[mkrishnan]

Safari 1.3 now crashes EVERY TIME it loads a Java applet from Yahoo! Games. grrr... no more Spades, Pool, or Dominoes for me:(

I should've read this forum before updating this morning.

I'm sorry you're having trouble! :( But, I tried several Yahoo Java games in Safari after updating, and they worked for me, so there's hope yet.... Try all the usual suspects...repair permissions, perhaps uninstall/reinstall Java.

[dmarkman]

After repairing disk permissions I log out and then log back in to make sure nothing's running . . . it's a bit easier than analyzing Activity Monitor processes. And of course I eject, switch off and unplug (the FW cables of) all FireWire devices.
you're absolutely right
I'd recommend to unplug all devices USB included
and I'd recommend for laptops to plug in computer to the power
outlet to make sure that installation won't be interrupted if something will be wrong with computer's battery

[Elektronkind]

I upgraded to 10.3.9 on my PowerMac G5 and as soon as I log in after the reboot, my cat puked grass up onto my new carpet. Since my update to 10.3.9 was the only thing that changed in the time between my cat coming back inside and puking, I blame Apple!

/dale

[mad jew]

I upgraded to 10.3.9 on my PowerMac G5 and as soon as I log in after the reboot, my cat puked grass up onto my new carpet. Since my update to 10.3.9 was the only thing that changed in the time between my cat coming back inside and puking, I blame Apple!

/dale

Ahh, but do you have a Windows machine? I had exactly the same problem with XP, although considering the amount of patches there are, it's really no surprise that my fluffy dog pukes while I'm installing them... ;)

[le sacre]

no problems doing the update. i was frightened at first because the setup assistant came up after the reboot, but i think it's just because i never entered my address or phone number the first time around. all my settings were preserved.

safari seems plenty stable so far, but at least on one site (friendster.com), it renders completely wrong and ilegibly. maybe i'll be switching to firefox or camino.

x11 now will not launch. i'm trying to figure it out. any hints?

tej

[mkrishnan]

no problems doing the update. i was frightened at first because the setup assistant came up after the reboot, but i think it's just because i never entered my address or phone number the first time around. all my settings were preserved.

safari seems plenty stable so far, but at least on one site (friendster.com), it renders completely wrong and ilegibly. maybe i'll be switching to firefox or camino.

x11 now will not launch. i'm trying to figure it out. any hints?

tej

So did Safari do Friendster correctly before? I guess long, long ago, in a galaxy far far away, I might have used Safari for Friendster, so I'm guessing the answer is yes? Firefox handles it fine, so probably Camino does too.

For X11, does it bounce in the dock and then die? Have you tried launching it from the X11 icon in the utils folder, as opposed to getting it to launch when an X program is opened?

[walkingmac]

I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD HAPPEN... NOT TO ME! Alas, my machine has also fallen prey to the Safari crash. What else is not working :eek:

[wdlove]

Has anybody installed the update on a 2000 model Power Mac G4 yet? Also on an iBook G3?

[Hemingray]

Safari definitely broke after this update. I figured PithHelmet had something to do with it, but didn't even think about AcidSearch, so thanks to everyone who posted about that! I removed both and installed the newest versions that work with Safari 1.3 and all is better now.

Here's something that got me: If, when you installed AcidSearch, you chose "All Users", you'll need to delete the SIMBL folder from both the main Library and the Library in your home folders.

I've noticed improvements on some page loads, but I'm not terribly impressed with tabs multi-tasking. For instance, one of the forum pages was loading in a background tab and it was causing the other tabs that were loading to hang. Once I closed the forum tab all the other tabs started loading fine. I hope that's a fluke.

Tiger, I'm ready for ya. :D

[~loserman~]

Just upgraded 1835 Xserves to 10.3.9.
Looks good so far.

[daveL]

Just upgraded 1835 Xserves to 10.3.9.
Looks good so far.
Wow, that was quick. Don't you guys QA a release like this before rolling it into production? Or have you had it in your shop for a while already? Just curious.

[mkrishnan]

Here's something that got me: If, when you installed AcidSearch, you chose "All Users", you'll need to delete the SIMBL folder from both the main Library and the Library in your home folders.

Does the uninstaller automatically do this? I didn't have it on my computer already (the installer package), so I just followed the directions on the website, which told me to look for both folders. Actually, I'm not 100% sure why I even bothered to re-install AcidSearch, since I almost never use Safari anymore, or why I kept looking for PithHelmet to be updated for 10.3.9....I guess I will just leave them off my computer until Tiger at least. If I like Safari 2.0, then we'll see.

[MattG]

Just upgraded 1835 Xserves to 10.3.9.
Looks good so far.
Damn dude...wish it was my job to man 1835 Xserves :D

I upgraded my one Xserve to 10.3.9...lookin' good!

[lssmit02]

After installing this update on my work iMac G5, the computer seemed to be running very slowly. I noticed that the finder was hogging 60%+ of the cpu cycles in Activity Monitor. At first I though it was trying to sync, but that wasn't the case, and I couldn't figure out what was going on, so I trashed the plist file for the finder (hopefully a good idea :eek: ) and restarted. Now back to normal. Weird.

[edit: added info about restart]

[le sacre]

re Safari, yes, friendster worked fine on it up to now. but i just tried loading a friendster page again and this time it completely crashed the browser. guess there's no help there!

i figured out the X11 problem by looking at the error message in the console, which was something about not being able to load a library. the 10.3.9 update seemed to have removed /usr/X11R6. but i looked around and found that it had been put in a new directory: /Previous Systems/Previous System 1/usr/X11R6. so i just copied it over, repaired permissions for good luck, rebooted, and now X11 and MATLAB are happy once more.

So did Safari do Friendster correctly before? I guess long, long ago, in a galaxy far far away, I might have used Safari for Friendster, so I'm guessing the answer is yes? Firefox handles it fine, so probably Camino does too.

For X11, does it bounce in the dock and then die? Have you tried launching it from the X11 icon in the utils folder, as opposed to getting it to launch when an X program is opened?

[virividox]

safari is very unstable for me now i cant close it properly trying to click ont he red x on the top or close tab causes it to crash agh

[Daveway]

Wow Safari is really screwed up with Java applets. I use Firefox mostly but I tried to play Bookworm on Safari and Safari just quits. That really sucks I must admit.

Has anyone noticed that Azureus & Limewire fails to launch in 10.3.9? :confused:

[matticus008]

Wow Safari is really screwed up with Java applets. I use Firefox mostly but I tried to play Bookworm on Safari and Safari just quits. That really sucks I must admit.

Has anyone noticed that Azureus & Limewire fails to launch in 10.3.9? :confused:
Are you joking? Have you missed the pages and pages of Java discussion? Or do they continue to fail after reinstalling the 2005-002 security update?

[neoelectronaut]

I'd just like to note that Safari and Limewire (Along with every other App I use) is workingly perfectly fine after 10.3.9.

[Rod Rod]

Are you joking? Have you missed the pages and pages of Java discussion? Or do they continue to fail after reinstalling the 2005-002 security update?
It's easier to bitch than to read.

[mkrishnan]

re Safari, yes, friendster worked fine on it up to now. but i just tried loading a friendster page again and this time it completely crashed the browser. guess there's no help there!

It didn't crash for me today, but it does still look messed up....

i figured out the X11 problem by looking at the error message in the console, which was something about not being able to load a library. the 10.3.9 update seemed to have removed /usr/X11R6. but i looked around and found that it had been put in a new directory: /Previous Systems/Previous System 1/usr/X11R6. so i just copied it over, repaired permissions for good luck, rebooted, and now X11 and MATLAB are happy once more.

Wow, this is interesting. I wonder if any other issues people have experienced involve stuff getting moved to previous systems. I don't *have* a /Previous Systems/, though, so I'm guessing none of *my* issues. :rolleyes:

And tsk, tsk, MATLAB still runs in X? :eek:

[Daveway]

It's easier to bitch than to read.

So true, so true. :D ......and I did fix my problems by rolling back to the last security update.

[~loserman~]

Wow, that was quick. Don't you guys QA a release like this before rolling it into production? Or have you had it in your shop for a while already? Just curious.

Normally we do but....

It had 3 fixes that we had to have.
LDAP was badly broken for us. We would sometimes have to reboot systems multiple times to get LDAP connections to work.
10.3.9 works like a champ. We saw the difference immediately.
We also badly needed the updated Ethernet driver and some NFS fixes included in it.
We have already seen major improvements.

[eRondeau]

Well, I upgraded to 10.3.9 yesterday. Repaired permissions -- no problems. Then just now iTunes froze-up while browsing the iTunes Music Store. iTunes has NEVER frozen-up on me before, ever. I had to Force Quit iTunes. Not sure if this is 10.3.9 -related or not, but it's sure a pretty big coincidence.

[DavidCar]

I found this on CNet, indicating Apple posted a workaround for Java Problems.

http://news.com.com/Java+glitch+hits+OS+X+update/2100-1016_3-5675631.html?tag=nefd.top

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380

[daveL]

Normally we do but....

It had 3 fixes that we had to have.
LDAP was badly broken for us. We would sometimes have to reboot systems multiple times to get LDAP connections to work.
10.3.9 works like a champ. We saw the difference immediately.
We also badly needed the updated Ethernet driver and some NFS fixes included in it.
We have already seen major improvements.
Sounds like a great update for you guys. I didn't, and haven't, had problems with OS X updates, which you wouldn't expect if you read through this thread (or any update thread on MR).

[BigMacIain]

How much RAM are you running on?

I recently upgraded from 256Mb to 768Mb, and the difference is night and day. I have had no more Safari beachball problems.


1GB. No problems with the update yet but the Safari beachball, she still spins.

[Mac]

Have some serious problems with Safari. It crashes on certain websites. Found the support update on:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380

But there is one MAJOR snag.

If you download and install the Security Update first, it locks for the ability to take the Java 1.4.2 update later.

I have given Applecare Support some serious issues to solve.

All this is experienced on an iMac G5 1.8.

May feedback - DON'T INSTALL THIS UPDATE.

[~loserman~]

Sounds like a great update for you guys. I didn't, and haven't, had problems with OS X updates, which you wouldn't expect if you read through this thread (or any update thread on MR).

We did have the Java glitch but it only affected our Xsan nodes....
They are the only servers we use Java on (Raid Admin Tool)
Applied the Security Patch and that fixed us.
So all in all despite it having a little quality Assurance problem 10.3.9 works for us.

[Rod Rod]

DON'T INSTALL THIS UPDATE.
Too late! Besides, I had no problems at all on three systems (12" PowerBook, Mac mini and dual-processor G5).

[wdlove]

As per protocol I ran Repair Disk Permissions. Then I put my OWC Mercury Elite External FW HD put it in the trash and turned off the power. Then downloaded and installed 10.3.9 51.3 MB. After optimizing was completed tried Disk Permissions, all it did was bounce in the Dock. Restarted my Power Mac G4 450 successfully. Then was able to run Disk Permissions without any problems.

[Rod Rod]

. . . but did you also unplug the FireWire cable connecting your OWC enclosure and your Mac?

[kenkneeb]

I update to 10.3.9 today and Viola, Same for me:

Limewire Won't Launch in 10.3.9

I emailed Limewire, but no response yet!

And I had just upgraded to Limewire PRO, OH NO!!!

Any help greatly appreciated!

Ken

[mcgarry]

I can now confirm that updating to 10.3.9 has fixed a minor annoyance when, upon waking from sleep, Mail needed a serious pause (up to 10-15 seconds) before it could successfully check for new mail without automatically taking itself offline. I forget when this began, maybe with 10.3.8, but it had not always worked this way. Now, in 10.3.9 I can check for new mail as soon as I wake up from sleep. Minor, but nice.

[Frisco]

I update to 10.3.9 today and Viola, Same for me:

Limewire Won't Launch in 10.3.9

I emailed Limewire, but no response yet!

And I had just upgraded to Limewire PRO, OH NO!!!

Any help greatly appreciated!

Ken

You need to reinstall Security Update 2005-002 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380)

[wdlove]

. . . but did you also unplug the FireWire cable connecting your OWC enclosure and your Mac?

No, I just turned off the electricity.

[Rod Rod]

No, I just turned off the electricity.
FW cables need to be detached. Disconnecting the FW enclosure's power supply isn't necessary, but detaching FW cables is. It's a preventive measure and of course it's better to be safe, even if everything's backed up (because even restoring from backups is time consuming).

[kenkneeb]

You need to reinstall Security Update 2005-002 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380)


Re-Updating Security Fixed Limewire Issue, THANKS FRISCO!!!

[mkrishnan]

Hmmm...I'm such a 'tard, lalala, but I just now decided to try Safari 1.3 because slow text in the textbox in Firefox was bugging me (every once in a while, text entry in textboxes becomes painfully slow in FF, for me!). But wowsers, Safari 1.3 is fast.

If only someone would write something à la Tabbrowser Extensions for it. And it does seem to have some reduced compatibility with (probably incorrectly written) webpages such as Friendster.

But, oh yes, fast. And oh, oh, having inline spell-checking back is a nicety. :D

[Abulia]

10.3.8 caused my fans to become more active and throttle up/down with the slightest move of the mouse. My PM went from nearly silent to annoyingly changing fan pitch constantly. Scrolling a web page, etc, would cause the fans to ramp up with the slightest utilization.

So I went back to 10.3.7.

This time, I did a full backup, repaired permissions, and installed the 10.3.9 combo update.

The fan problems are back.

Does anyone seriously know why they've changed the fan behavior in 10.3.8 and 10.3.9? The slightest movement of my mouse or anything (checking e-mail, etc) causes my fans to ramp up. This is *SO* annoying!

I've reset NVRAM, PRAM, repaired permissions countless times, and changed my energy settings to/from Highest/Automatic but can't get back my 10.3.7 silent PM.

I really hope this "functionality" doesn't find its way into Tiger. Grrr. :mad:

[peripatetic]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but has anyone else noticed that you can't Arrange icons by kind/name/etc on 10.3.9. It's not accessible. Try it

[Doctor Q]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but has anyone else noticed that you can't Arrange icons by kind/name/etc on 10.3.9. It's not accessible. Try itIt works for me.

Try this: Select View -> Show View Options and see if you have the "Keep arranged by" checkbox checked. That would override your choice to arrange manually, causing the View -> Arrange menu choice to be dim.

Is that the case in the window where you can't arrange?

[mkrishnan]

It works for me.

For me, neither the view options keep arranged by option nor the View->Arrange method are available for any view except icon view. Doctor Q, did you try this in views other than icon?

In list view, you have to do it by clicking on the appropriate column, and AFAICS, there is no way to do it. On the other hand, I'm getting more into this icon view with show view options. Did it exist before, and I never noticed it? Honestly I don't know which things are changes, which are bugs to my system, and which I just never noticed in this case. :)

[~loserman~]

Hmmm...I'm such a 'tard, lalala, but I just now decided to try Safari 1.3 because slow text in the textbox in Firefox was bugging me (every once in a while, text entry in textboxes becomes painfully slow in FF, for me!). But wowsers, Safari 1.3 is fast.

If only someone would write something à la Tabbrowser Extensions for it. And it does seem to have some reduced compatibility with (probably incorrectly written) webpages such as Friendster.

But, oh yes, fast. And oh, oh, having inline spell-checking back is a nicety. :D

I'm confused by your post :confused:
Are you saying that you want TAB browsing in Safari?
If you are then go to preferences and enable it, then "command T" creates new TAB
If not then just disregard my post.

[mkrishnan]

Are you saying that you want TAB browsing in Safari?

No, I'm not. :D Well, I *do*. But I already have it. Tabbrowser Extensions doesn't add tabbed browsing to Firefox, either. FF already has it too. What it adds are a bunch of power-user-ish enhancements to tabbed browsing:


You can force FF to always only use one window, and force pop-ups and offsite links into new tabs, preventing them from ever opening new windows (and you can also create exception lists, etc, to this)
You can undo closing of tabs
You can move tabs around (maybe? this might be a default FF feature)
You can start FF with a default tab list, or recreate the set of tabs open on close (I don't use this so much, since I found it unreliable)
You can do a lot of things to customize the look and feel of the tab bar (although most of these are moot in Safari because it looks like the way I configure FF already :))


There are more that I use and forgot, and many more than I don't use. Mostly it's the first three things, above, that I miss. Tabbrowser Extensions is actually deprecated but still under development. There is also Tabbrowser Preferences, or something like that, which does many of these things, but is not quite as configurable.

Oooh, side note, though, that's relevant to this thread...for those of us switching back to Safari. So, does it annoy you that PithHelmet now seems to constantly hit you up for money, when the equivalent (better) feature in FF is free? AcidSearch, which recreates not only free, but built-in features of FF, is also now shareware. Have any of you who switched back to Safari with 10.3.9 pay for either of these? I guess paying is a bad-bad idea until we at least have Tiger installed.

I've paid for several pieces of shareware in the year since I've moved over to the Mac, but...hmmm...somehow this annoys me. And makes me hope FF1.1 really rawks.

[Doctor Q]

For me, neither the view options keep arranged by option nor the View->Arrange method are available for any view except icon view. Doctor Q, did you try this in views other than icon?

In list view, you have to do it by clicking on the appropriate column, and AFAICS, there is no way to do it. On the other hand, I'm getting more into this icon view with show view options. Did it exist before, and I never noticed it? Honestly I don't know which things are changes, which are bugs to my system, and which I just never noticed in this case. :)In List View, I've always clicked on columns to select the order, and used Arrange only for icon view. I can't tell for sure that nothing has changed, but I haven't noticed a difference. All my Macs are now upgraded now I can't easily do a side-by-side comparison.

[mkrishnan]

In List View, I've always clicked on columns to select the order, and used Arrange only for icon view. I can't tell for sure that nothing has changed, but I haven't noticed a difference. All my Macs are now upgraded now I can't easily do a side-by-side comparison.

Yes, I do the same. But on your computer too, if you try these options, they are only available in icon view, right?

[Doctor Q]

Yes, I do the same. But on your computer too, if you try these options, they are only available in icon view, right?Yes, correct, affirmative.

[uv23]

Disclaimer: I haven't read through all 18 pages of this thread so this may already have been covered. But, after installing 10.3.9, I find that I can no longer save images from a web page to a designated location and with a different filename. Only the direct "save to desktop" option exists, which is extremely inconvenient. Am I missing something?