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colin15
Aug 4, 2011, 03:56 PM
I understand that iCloud will store and sync your photostream / images take on an iOS device, but I was wondering, will it also store photos that I have saved on my iphone/iPad or photos I have on my computer that aren't part of Photostream?

If not, I guess I wouldn't be able to go completely PC/MAC-less with iCloud.



shandyman
Aug 4, 2011, 04:01 PM
I understand that iCloud will store and sync your photostream / images take on an iOS device, but I was wondering, will it also store photos that I have saved on my iphone/iPad or photos I have on my computer that aren't part of Photostream?

If not, I guess I wouldn't be able to go completely PC/MAC-less with iCloud.

photostream only stores the last 1000 photos or last 30 days. its stuff from the iOS devices you get into your camera roll and any you choose to put from your computer.

it's not a space where you can stick things permanantly.

colin15
Aug 6, 2011, 09:20 AM
photostream only stores the last 1000 photos or last 30 days. its stuff from the iOS devices you get into your camera roll and any you choose to put from your computer.

it's not a space where you can stick things permanantly.

So, if I just have an iPhone and iPad that are synced through iCloud, how do I get photos into my iPhone/iPad without a computer? Is it possible?

My goal here obviously is to get rid of my computer because all I use it for is to sync my iDevices through iTunes.

shandyman
Aug 6, 2011, 09:25 AM
So, if I just have an iPhone and iPad that are synced through iCloud, how do I get photos into my iPhone/iPad without a computer? Is it possible?

My goal here obviously is to get rid of my computer because all I use it for is to sync my iDevices through iTunes.

you still need a computer. or you have to have some other online storage for photos and that like dropbox.

plus you will still need a computer for some things. it's far too soon to go totally PC free for most people.

roblawton
Aug 7, 2011, 10:26 PM
So, if I just have an iPhone and iPad that are synced through iCloud, how do I get photos into my iPhone/iPad without a computer? Is it possible?

My goal here obviously is to get rid of my computer because all I use it for is to sync my iDevices through iTunes.

Don't forget about the Camera Connection Kit available for iPad.

This will allow you to import photos from a camera and now with iOS 5 you can create folders, sort your photos into albums, everything. So if you have an iPad then this would work perfectly!

marc11
Aug 8, 2011, 02:49 AM
Don't forget about the Camera Connection Kit available for iPad.

This will allow you to import photos from a camera and now with iOS 5 you can create folders, sort your photos into albums, everything. So if you have an iPad then this would work perfectly!

Unless one day you have more than 1000 photos or photos you want to keep and share that are older than 30 days OR you run out of the finite memory the ipad has. Then, unless you have a PC as a storage location you are screwed. Right?

So not matter what you need a PC OR some sort of OTHER online storage location for your photo's and if that is the case, screw PhotoStream and just upload/share them via that 3rd party. PhotoStream only seems to complicate the matter shortly after the first 30 days pass. Sometimes I take EPIC pics that I want shared forever, yet the last 30 days I took crap which I care not to share.

Still do not get how PhotoStream is a good idea over online upload/storage and sharing like we have today and like PhotoBucket, Dropbox and Google offer.

To me PhotoStream sounded like a "neat, cool thing" someone pitched and said all the young kids would love the shoot and instant share option. The young crowd only lives in the moment, so 30 days of pic sharing is more than enough. To hell with the parents who want to share pics of the kids and vacations from years past with the grandparents, they can just move on.

It is almost like anything that happened 1000 pics or 30 days ago is irrelevant. I don't know, I am in Japan for 2 years with my family at home, the pics I took years ago and the ones my wife take now (well over 1000 every couple of months) are all important and I want to see them when I want...I do that now via MM, I can't with iCloud.

AFPoster
Aug 8, 2011, 09:46 AM
photostream only stores the last 1000 photos or last 30 days. its stuff from the iOS devices you get into your camera roll and any you choose to put from your computer.

it's not a space where you can stick things permanantly.

If it stores the last 1,000 photos is there a way for people to see them like in Gallery if you knew there AppleID? That's one thing I would love to know so I can keep sharing.

BaldiMac
Aug 8, 2011, 09:59 AM
Unless one day you have more than 1000 photos or photos you want to keep and share that are older than 30 days OR you run out of the finite memory the ipad has. Then, unless you have a PC as a storage location you are screwed. Right?

So not matter what you need a PC OR some sort of OTHER online storage location for your photo's and if that is the case, screw PhotoStream and just upload/share them via that 3rd party. PhotoStream only seems to complicate the matter shortly after the first 30 days pass. Sometimes I take EPIC pics that I want shared forever, yet the last 30 days I took crap which I care not to share.

Still do not get how PhotoStream is a good idea over online upload/storage and sharing like we have today and like PhotoBucket, Dropbox and Google offer.

To me PhotoStream sounded like a "neat, cool thing" someone pitched and said all the young kids would love the shoot and instant share option. The young crowd only lives in the moment, so 30 days of pic sharing is more than enough. To hell with the parents who want to share pics of the kids and vacations from years past with the grandparents, they can just move on.

It is almost like anything that happened 1000 pics or 30 days ago is irrelevant. I don't know, I am in Japan for 2 years with my family at home, the pics I took years ago and the ones my wife take now (well over 1000 every couple of months) are all important and I want to see them when I want...I do that now via MM, I can't with iCloud.

Photo Stream is not for sharing photos. It is for syncing them among your various devices. Your Mac/PC will keep all photos that travel through your Photo Stream. You can save photos from your Photo Stream to your iOS device by moving them to your library.

shandyman
Aug 8, 2011, 12:10 PM
If it stores the last 1,000 photos is there a way for people to see them like in Gallery if you knew there AppleID? That's one thing I would love to know so I can keep sharing.

Nope, not at this moment and doubt they will as its not really for public sharing. See the post above mine.

Screenshots you take on the iDevice go there too, anything that saves to camera roll does. Would you really let Joe Public see that or any intimate photos you take?

AFPoster
Aug 8, 2011, 12:32 PM
Nope, not at this moment and doubt they will as its not really for public sharing. See the post above mine.

Screenshots you take on the iDevice go there too, anything that saves to camera roll does. Would you really let Joe Public see that or any intimate photos you take?

Nope I'm not an idiot but I have friends who are...

marc11
Aug 8, 2011, 03:37 PM
Photo Stream is not for sharing photos. It is for syncing them among your various devices. Your Mac/PC will keep all photos that travel through your Photo Stream. You can save photos from your Photo Stream to your iOS device by moving them to your library.

Okay but then it is even more useless. Don't know if it is just me, but I do not find it so hard to take a photo or many, select all, and select send to MM now. Then have MM sync back to my Mac iPhoto. With the current Gallery I do not need to have the photos physically stored on our ipod or ipad. Add to the fact that most any digital camera today can store thousands of photos on super cheap memory cards and I fail to see the need to ever synch photos to the stream via an ipad for saving to my Mac over just connecting my camera when I return home.

Again the reason and benefits over what we have now are lost on me. If you only have an iphone and no Mac I see no value as only 1000 photos are saved, if you have a Mac of any sort I do not see the value as it is easy to sync in a multitude of ways from a multitude of devices now and you are losing the ability to store, save and share from 1 to 100% of your photos from any period in the past.

Maybe it is me, but I do not see where this is better or even valuable.

BaldiMac
Aug 8, 2011, 04:01 PM
Okay but then it is even more useless. Don't know if it is just me, but I do not find it so hard to take a photo or many, select all, and select send to MM now. Then have MM sync back to my Mac iPhoto. With the current Gallery I do not need to have the photos physically stored on our ipod or ipad. Add to the fact that most any digital camera today can store thousands of photos on super cheap memory cards and I fail to see the need to ever synch photos to the stream via an ipad for saving to my Mac over just connecting my camera when I return home.

You are overthinking it. It doesn't do something that wasn't possible before. It does it more simply.

Again the reason and benefits over what we have now are lost on me.

We aren't losing what we have now as far as syncing options. We are gaining a new one that does not involve syncing over a cable.

If you only have an iphone and no Mac I see no value as only 1000 photos are saved,

If you only have one device, it's only value is to backup recent photos.

if you have a Mac of any sort I do not see the value as it is easy to sync in a multitude of ways from a multitude of devices now

It is adding the convenience of wireless, automatic syncing of photos. If you lose your iPhone before you get home to sync, you don't lose any pics.

and you are losing the ability to store, save and share from 1 to 100% of your photos from any period in the past.

No, you're not losing any of those abilities.

Maybe it is me, but I do not see where this is better or even valuable.

I think the key thing that you are missing is that most people don't sync their iOS devices very often.

marc11
Aug 8, 2011, 04:18 PM
You are overthinking it. It doesn't do something that wasn't possible before. It does it more simply.



We aren't losing what we have now as far as syncing options. We are gaining a new one that does not involve syncing over a cable.



If you only have one device, it's only value is to backup recent photos.



It is adding the convenience of wireless, automatic syncing of photos. If you lose your iPhone before you get home to sync, you don't lose any pics.



No, you're not losing any of those abilities.



I think the key thing that you are missing is that most people don't sync their iOS devices very often.

I see thanks for taking the time to clarify those points. I still wish they kept gallery, that with the new sync functions would be a killer combination. Again, I cannot understand why Apple for the moment is killing gallery.

shandyman
Aug 8, 2011, 04:36 PM
Actually, you're losing the mobileme gallery as far as i know, so photostream is all you have anyway. for me, i never used mobileme galleries. but i like that iCloud will backup my photos to my computer without me having to even think about it or even go upstairs to my PC and plug in.

thunderbunny
Aug 8, 2011, 04:53 PM
Photo Stream is not for sharing photos. It is for syncing them among your various devices. Your Mac/PC will keep all photos that travel through your Photo Stream. You can save photos from your Photo Stream to your iOS device by moving them to your library.

Photostream has a share feature, maybe not the same as Gallery or anything else you're used to at the moment but who kniw's what it will finally be like?

BaldiMac
Aug 8, 2011, 04:56 PM
Photostream has a share feature, maybe not the same as Gallery or anything else you're used to at the moment but who kniw's what it will finally be like?

I haven't read anything about a share feature. Do you have a link?

marc11
Aug 8, 2011, 06:15 PM
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Actually, you're losing the mobileme gallery as far as i know, so photostream is all you have anyway. for me, i never used mobileme galleries. but i like that iCloud will backup my photos to my computer without me having to even think about it or even go upstairs to my PC and plug in.

It doesn't back all your photos only the last 1000 or 30 days. And if you shoot with a camera then you still need to connect to a pc or iPad so photo stream as it sits now is very limited if you have more than 1000 photos and or use a digital camera more than an i device camera.

tigres
Aug 8, 2011, 06:19 PM
Anyone know how to use 55gb of data on iCloud?

shandyman
Aug 8, 2011, 06:23 PM
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It doesn't back all your photos only the last 1000 or 30 days. And if you shoot with a camera then you still need to connect to a pc or iPad so photo stream as it sits now is very limited if you have more than 1000 photos and or use a digital camera more than an i device camera.

yea i know, i already said all that earlier on. nice to see you read my other posts first (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=13115016&postcount=2):P i was just saying for me, it saves me the effort of plugging my iPhone or iPad in to my PC when i get home to get the photos off, when photostream will automatically do that for me and it will back them all up... :D

BaldiMac
Aug 8, 2011, 06:40 PM
[SIZE=1]It doesn't back all your photos only the last 1000 or 30 days. And if you shoot with a camera then you still need to connect to a pc or iPad so photo stream as it sits now is very limited if you have more than 1000 photos and or use a digital camera more than an i device camera.

It does back up all your photos to your computer.

marc11
Aug 9, 2011, 01:08 AM
It does back up all your photos to your computer.

Yes on YOUR computer, this ISN'T a cloud storage service. And what if you do not have a computer and shoot more than 1000 photos? Then your photos only live on your idevice as they do today. And if you have a digital camera, this service is 100% useless unless you want to sync your camera with your ipad and then to icloud and then to your computer, assuming you have one.

No one has been able to tell me the REAL value of this service other than the ability to shoot a pic with my i device and have it sent to any other i device or Mac in my sync ring, which is no better or easier than what we have today, save for the fact that you do not need to remember to click "share" in your photos on your i device. In fact it is worse, because now my one picture will eat up memory and or HDD space on multiple devices instead of on my Mac and in the cloud at MM where it makes sense. Today if my Mac crashes I know all my pics are safe and backed up on MM and in Time Machine (okay I have another back up as well) in the future with icloud that additional saftey net is gone. Of course I have another redundancy over Time Machine, but still, MM was a nice comfortable back up place that was 100% off site.

And again, if you do most of your picture taking with a camera, and if you want to make more than the last 30 days or 1000 photos available to other users, in your sync ring or not, this service is useless.

Not only that, my 10 year old shoots all sorts of crap with his ipod, I do not want them on my Mac, nor my wife on her ipad nor on my iphone, but he may want them on his Macbook, but some pics maybe I DO want. Not sure how THAT will work, so far it sounds like all or nothing.

AFAIK most people share tons of pictures with tons of people, from tons of different periods of time and have been doing so for years and years. Apple somehow IMHO doesn't think this will continue or doesn't want to be apart of that. I guess they feel Twitter and Facebook have taking over the world for this type of sharing and have bowed out.

shandyman
Aug 9, 2011, 01:29 AM
Yes on YOUR computer, this ISN'T a cloud storage service. And what if you do not have a computer and shoot more than 1000 photos? Then your photos only live on your idevice as they do today. And if you have a digital camera, this service is 100% useless unless you want to sync your camera with your ipad and then to icloud and then to your computer, assuming you have one.


it is a cloud service, and it's a cloud storage service, albeit temporary. there's a reason this does not go against your main iCloud data storage...

No one has been able to tell me the REAL value of this service other than the ability to shoot a pic with my i device and have it sent to any other i device or Mac in my sync ring, which is no better or easier than what we have today, save for the fact that you do not need to remember to click "share" in your photos on your i device.


No, people have explained the real value. Like for me, there is a huge value for me in that all the photos i take on my iPhone (which is the only camera i use really) will back up to my PC at home before i get home if i get on wifi, or when i get outside my house,i save myself the time and effort of going upstairs to the PC, plugging in, loading itunes then copying the photos over to my PC. What you mean is "No-one has been able to tell me the real value to me" of which, there probably isn't any. No matter what me or anyone else has said, you've made up your mind. I'm not going to try and sway you otherwise as i think in your case, you're right, but seem my next point below.

In fact it is worse, because now my one picture will eat up memory and or HDD space on multiple devices instead of on my Mac and in the cloud at MM where it makes sense. Today if my Mac crashes I know all my pics are safe and backed up on MM and in Time Machine (okay I have another back up as well) in the future with icloud that additional saftey net is gone. Of course I have another redundancy over Time Machine, but still, MM was a nice comfortable back up place that was 100% off site.


Not everyone used MM, infact, it's probably used by a minority of iOS users. so for the majority, this is new, shiny and has a fair bit of use.

marc11
Aug 9, 2011, 01:35 AM
Yes I get that it is great for temporary storage of limited photos and I get that it is great if your iphone is your only camera, but that is the only value I see. So what is there to change or sway my mind about? I get it, but that value is so limited over how most of the world manages pictures online. Once that great photo is on your Mac from your iphone you STILL need to work with it to get it online somewhere if you want to share it, so there is a huge gap there and with actual cloud storage of all your photos.

IMHO I have yet to hear someone bitch that they need to sync an iphone to add pictures to the Mac and with over the air sync coming, again, is this REALLY so important to call it a compelling feature as Apple has?

Wouldn't it be FAR better if that picture synced from your iphone to your Mac and to an online gallery that was fully synced with your Mac, so you had a full back up and you could share those photos as you do today? Isn't that a win, win, win?

shandyman
Aug 9, 2011, 01:52 AM
Yes I get that it is great for temporary storage of limited photos and I get that it is great if your iphone is your only camera, but that is the only value I see. So what is there to change or sway my mind about? I get it, but that value is so limited over how most of the world manages pictures online. Once that great photo is on your Mac from your iphone you STILL need to work with it to get it online somewhere if you want to share it, so there is a huge gap there and with actual cloud storage of all your photos.

IMHO I have yet to hear someone bitch that they need to sync an iphone to add pictures to the Mac and with over the air sync coming, again, is this REALLY so important to call it a compelling feature as Apple has?

Wouldn't it be FAR better if that picture synced from your iphone to your Mac and to an online gallery that was fully synced with your Mac, so you had a full back up and you could share those photos as you do today? Isn't that a win, win, win?

Again i point out that the lack of value is YOUR opinion only. This is a free service, majority of people do not have a MobileMe service, so for those people, this is quite a bit of value. Now if people were being made to pay for it, then maybe you have a point, but it's a FREE service, so therefore you don't. Who's to say that they won't bring Gallery back for a smaller annual fee than MobileMe.

Wifi Syncing does not sync photos over. it's just the backup/normal sync that iTunes does, but without the cable. to get photos on the PC you have to plug in still. Well you at least do on Windows anyway. I don't have a Mac. Plus this is all automatically straight away. if i'm away in another country, it backs them all up when i connect to wifi (which i would do most days as most hotels have free wifi. Just cos you haven't heard anyone moaning about plugging an iPhone in to copy photos does not mean they do not exist. one of the biggest gripes my friends have is about how, in this day and age, it's rubbish that you have to plug in to copy photos over, especially now there's these Eye-Fi memory cards.

You have to look at the bigger picture, what you think, is not necessarily what everyone else thinks. Not everyone has a MobileMe account, so have no idea about gallery. Plus as i said before, this is a Free service, you're not going to get the level of features that MobileMe had. Now if apple turned around and did Galleries for free, i'd be EXTREMELY impressed, but since i'm not paying, i'm not turning my nose up at it.

marc11
Aug 9, 2011, 02:09 AM
Yes of course I am stating my own opinion, as are you, as would be anyone here about services which are not fully available yet. We all have different needs. However, what I do not get as I keep saying is why add this PhotoStream and make it SOUND like a better replacement for Galleries, when it isn't even close to Gallery?

And since you do not use MM, just FYI, I do not need to connect my iPhone to share my photos at all, I can do so today over WiFi or 3G from my iPhone to my Gallery which then will sync back to my Mac today and I was happy and am happy to pay for that service.

But as you correctly stated the above is just one mans opinion, it is not better or worse than yours is or anyone elses, right?

shandyman
Aug 9, 2011, 02:47 AM
Yes of course I am stating my own opinion, as are you, as would be anyone here about services which are not fully available yet. We all have different needs. However, what I do not get as I keep saying is why add this PhotoStream and make it SOUND like a better replacement for Galleries, when it isn't even close to Gallery?

And since you do not use MM, just FYI, I do not need to connect my iPhone to share my photos at all, I can do so today over WiFi or 3G from my iPhone to my Gallery which then will sync back to my Mac today and I was happy and am happy to pay for that service.

But as you correctly stated the above is just one mans opinion, it is not better or worse than yours is or anyone elses, right?

Your opinion is biased as you have used MobileMe and basing your comparison on that. MobileMe is a paid-for service. This is not. That is my only issue with your opinion.

Your photo syncing on MobileMe is part of a paid for service. iCloud does it for free sans an online public gallery. With Facebook and flicker and whatnot, alot of people don't need another online gallery, so this is a bonus. Therein lies a value. It's doing something you paid for, but for free.

IF iCloud was a paid-for service, I'd fully agree with your complaint. But it's not. iCloud is of great value to people that do not use MobileMe as its something we're getting for free that used to be charged for.

BaldiMac
Aug 9, 2011, 07:55 AM
Yes of course I am stating my own opinion, as are you, as would be anyone here about services which are not fully available yet. We all have different needs. However, what I do not get as I keep saying is why add this PhotoStream and make it SOUND like a better replacement for Galleries, when it isn't even close to Gallery?

And since you do not use MM, just FYI, I do not need to connect my iPhone to share my photos at all, I can do so today over WiFi or 3G from my iPhone to my Gallery which then will sync back to my Mac today and I was happy and am happy to pay for that service.

But as you correctly stated the above is just one mans opinion, it is not better or worse than yours is or anyone elses, right?

You seem to be stuck on Photo Stream as a replacement for Mobile Me Galleries. It is not. They are completely unrelated solutions. Mobile Me Galleries were simply canceled. They were not replaced by Photo Stream. Photo Stream was not made to "SOUND like a better replacement for Galleries." Apple never said anything of the sort.

If you want to replace galleries, the most popular solution would be Flickr. Pro account for unlimited storage is only $25 per year.

shandyman
Aug 9, 2011, 01:21 PM
You seem to be stuck on Photo Stream as a replacement for Mobile Me Galleries. It is not. They are completely unrelated solutions. Mobile Me Galleries were simply canceled. They were not replaced by Photo Stream. Photo Stream was not made to "SOUND like a better replacement for Galleries." Apple never said anything of the sort.

If you want to replace galleries, the most popular solution would be Flickr. Pro account for unlimited storage is only $25 per year.

Exactly. :)

MarkNY
Aug 11, 2011, 05:57 PM
I'm confused about photo backup. How could a service store ALL of your, say, MS WORD and EXCEL files (assuming MS will support iCloud), but NOT your iPhoto library. If it doesn't sync my entire iPhoto library, the service is worthless. Additionally, who has 50 GB of Word files? It's got to have the 50 GB option because of media files, and songs don't count.

shandyman
Aug 11, 2011, 06:26 PM
I'm confused about photo backup. How could a service store ALL of your, say, MS WORD and EXCEL files (assuming MS will support iCloud), but NOT your iPhoto library. If it doesn't sync my entire iPhoto library, the service is worthless. Additionally, who has 50 GB of Word files? It's got to have the 50 GB option because of media files, and songs don't count.

The freebie amount is 5Gb but you can purchase more. You don't have to go for the 50Gb option, you can be selective with what app backs up. Since MS don't even have an Office app for iOS then you won't be backing up those.

It's in it's infancy, things will change, more features will be added over time. Be patient.

But as it stands, there's no long term icloud photo backup yet. Photostream is exactly what the name suggests, a stream of photos. The last 1000 or 30 days. It will copy them to your PC so it's almost a local backup if you will. It was never pushed as a long term permanent backup service.

tigres
Aug 11, 2011, 06:34 PM
I'm confused about photo backup. How could a service store ALL of your, say, MS WORD and EXCEL files (assuming MS will support iCloud), but NOT your iPhoto library. If it doesn't sync my entire iPhoto library, the service is worthless. Additionally, who has 50 GB of Word files? It's got to have the 50 GB option because of media files, and songs don't count.

I have tried to find this answer. Nobody knows why anyone would need even 20 g of this plan, unless you do some serious pages and numbers docs. :rolleyes:

Give back Gallery and iDisk or fail on iCloud.

shandyman
Aug 11, 2011, 06:42 PM
I have tried to find this answer. Nobody knows why anyone would need even 20 g of this plan, unless you do some serious pages and numbers docs. :rolleyes:

Give back Gallery and iDisk or fail on iCloud.

The reason why they offer this space is due to iPhone/iPad backups. Some backups can be 20Gb per device depending on the app. My spotify backup was 5Gb, my VLC was 8Gb. So can be done easily. It's not just for pages documents.

Plus how does no gallery or iDisk mean iCloud is a fail? MobileMe was a paid service. iCloud is not. They're not really comparable due to that. iCloud is a lot of service when we're getting it for free.

Could it be better? Yes. But since its free and it has a ton of useful functionality then I'm pleased.

MarkNY
Aug 11, 2011, 06:49 PM
The freebie amount is 5Gb but you can purchase more. You don't have to go for the 50Gb option, you can be selective with what app backs up. Since MS don't even have an Office app for iOS then you won't be backing up those.

It's in it's infancy, things will change, more features will be added over time. Be patient.

But as it stands, there's no long term icloud photo backup yet. Photostream is exactly what the name suggests, a stream of photos. The last 1000 or 30 days. It will copy them to your PC so it's almost a local backup if you will. It was never pushed as a long term permanent backup service.

The thing is, this service seems to be made for iPhoto. Given iPhoto's complex folder and file structure, storing my iPhoto library on the cloud with Dropbox is scary to me. Is there an effective cloud-based backup for iPhoto? If not, it makes zero sense to me that Apple wouldn't let me use some of my 50GB for my iPhoto library. Additionally, without some sort of cloud-based backup for my iPhoto library, iPhoto itself becomes much less desirable to use.

tigres
Aug 11, 2011, 06:54 PM
The reason why they offer this space is due to iPhone/iPad backups. Some backups can be 20Gb per device depending on the app. My spotify backup was 5Gb, my VLC was 8Gb. So can be done easily. It's not just for pages documents.

Plus how does no gallery or iDisk mean iCloud is a fail? MobileMe was a paid service. iCloud is not. They're not really comparable due to that. iCloud is a lot of service when we're getting it for free.

Could it be better? Yes. But since its free and it has a ton of useful functionality then I'm pleased.

Well.

5gb for free, who cares? I have paid for iDisk and get 20 gb now with gallery.

This just forces me to leave it all together and find other insecure services. Flicker, no thanks- Dropbox not secure.

Point being this is a downgrade. They instituted wireless backups for a reason, forcing you to use it and fill it with your freebie 5 gb is all you will do I suppose.

shandyman
Aug 12, 2011, 01:56 AM
The thing is, this service seems to be made for iPhoto. Given iPhoto's complex folder and file structure, storing my iPhoto library on the cloud with Dropbox is scary to me. Is there an effective cloud-based backup for iPhoto? If not, it makes zero sense to me that Apple wouldn't let me use some of my 50GB for my iPhoto library. Additionally, without some sort of cloud-based backup for my iPhoto library, iPhoto itself becomes much less desirable to use.

to me this service is not designed for iPhoto, it's designed for iOS, the only way iPhoto comes into it is that photostream will sync the photos in the stream to iPhoto and you can manually add photos to the stream from iPhoto. That's about it. It's not a long term backup thing. iCloud is iOS backup only, not Mac (Yet).

Well.

5gb for free, who cares? I have paid for iDisk and get 20 gb now with gallery.

This just forces me to leave it all together and find other insecure services. Flicker, no thanks- Dropbox not secure.

Point being this is a downgrade. They instituted wireless backups for a reason, forcing you to use it and fill it with your freebie 5 gb is all you will do I suppose.

you're looking at this the wrong way really. It's not a downgrade as such. The service you have been using has come to an end, iCloud is a new service, which has some similar features and some new ones. That's the way Apple want to look at it, thus why they changed the name from MobileMe to iCloud.

It may be that on official release or at some later date, they might bring in the features you want. Have to wait and see.

Don't forget that MobileMe users are a minority compared to iOS users, which is where Apple seems to be focussed, so iCloud to the majority is a winwin thing, it's free and many features that they (and i) will use.

MarkNY
Aug 12, 2011, 09:14 AM
iCloud is iOS backup only, not Mac (Yet).


Seriously, you sure about that? There are Mac (and PC) betas for it.

thunderbunny
Aug 12, 2011, 11:21 AM
Seriously, you sure about that? There are Mac (and PC) betas for it.

Correct, apart from adding to photo stream you can't do any sort of backup from mac or pc. iCloud for mac and beta simply syncs calendars, contacts etc, sets up mail and sorts out photo stream.

shandyman
Aug 12, 2011, 12:37 PM
Seriously, you sure about that? There are Mac (and PC) betas for it.

Very sure. The betas are for syncing contacts/bookmarks/email and favourites along with syncing photostream. No mac or pc backup. I know as I'm using it.

tigres
Aug 12, 2011, 12:43 PM
to me this service is not designed for iPhoto, it's designed for iOS, the only way iPhoto comes into it is that photostream will sync the photos in the stream to iPhoto and you can manually add photos to the stream from iPhoto. That's about it. It's not a long term backup thing. iCloud is iOS backup only, not Mac (Yet).



you're looking at this the wrong way really. It's not a downgrade as such. The service you have been using has come to an end, iCloud is a new service, which has some similar features and some new ones. That's the way Apple want to look at it, thus why they changed the name from MobileMe to iCloud.

It may be that on official release or at some later date, they might bring in the features you want. Have to wait and see.

Don't forget that MobileMe users are a minority compared to iOS users, which is where Apple seems to be focussed, so iCloud to the majority is a winwin thing, it's free and many features that they (and i) will use.


Naw,
It's a loose loose.

They took away the meat, and left the crumbs.
No syncing bookmarks.
No syncing syst. prefs.
no more iDisk, and if you used it ever you would understand the loss.
Basically it's really not worth anything, so it should be free.
Oh, and where should I put my 7GB gallery now that I have been sharing with my family around the world for 3 years?

thunderbunny
Aug 12, 2011, 12:56 PM
No syncing bookmarks.

iCloud syncs bookmarks

shandyman
Aug 12, 2011, 02:26 PM
Naw,
It's a loose loose.

They took away the meat, and left the crumbs.
No syncing bookmarks.
No syncing syst. prefs.
no more iDisk, and if you used it ever you would understand the loss.
Basically it's really not worth anything, so it should be free.
Oh, and where should I put my 7GB gallery now that I have been sharing with my family around the world for 3 years?

it syncs bookmarks. it's a new service and it's free. again, you miss the point that it's made for the majority of iOS users, who do not have mobile me, mobileme users are in the minority here.

as for your gallery, you'll have to find somewhere else, there's many places to upload to if you look and try

for me and many others, it's win win, we get some great features for free.

wolfpackfan
Aug 12, 2011, 05:09 PM
Oh, and where should I put my 7GB gallery now that I have been sharing with my family around the world for 3 years?

On Flickr or Picasa. No big deal. I have every photo I've taken in the last 10 years out on Picasa.

jdavenport
Aug 26, 2011, 07:50 PM
Ok, I'm curious about something. If you take a picture on your iPhone and it is stored in your camera roll folder. Then your camera roll is added to the photo stream, synced to all devices, and put into a "photo stream" folder. Wont you end up storing the same picture twice on your phone? I mean, wont you have a copy of the same photo in both folders taking up twice the space. If not, is the picture deleted from your camera roll after its added to the photo stream? Just wondering if anyone out there knows how that works.

shandyman
Aug 27, 2011, 02:03 AM
Ok, I'm curious about something. If you take a picture on your iPhone and it is stored in your camera roll folder. Then your camera roll is added to the photo stream, synced to all devices, and put into a "photo stream" folder. Wont you end up storing the same picture twice on your phone? I mean, wont you have a copy of the same photo in both folders taking up twice the space. If not, is the picture deleted from your camera roll after its added to the photo stream? Just wondering if anyone out there knows how that works.

It stores it twice, as soon as you take a photo it's in both places.

DeeEss
Aug 28, 2011, 06:05 PM
So it seems that iCloud is not what I thought.

You can't view your iphoto library over the internet on your iPad. Like mobileme galleries.

I used to use Simplify Media for music and photos and was hoping it would be something similar.

That really sucks.

Does anyone know of something that works like Simplify media did? To view your iphoto or listen to your itunes on your iphone or ipad?

nospeed411
Aug 28, 2011, 07:36 PM
Ok here's my 2 cents.....iCloud is a bunch of ****!! For two damn years I drank apples bs tea and used mobile me to host the thousands of pics I post online. Now...they basically tell me to eat a dick, so sad too bad. I am sorry but this iCloud crap is exactly that.....CRAP!!! Not to mention my business website which I host on there they they basically have screwed me out of. I seriously think that if Photobucket just said out of the blue..."screw you we quit" there would be a ton of outrage. This would be different if it was a free service but it's not. WE PAY FOR IT!

So how long is it going to be before they realize this was a waste of their time and pull the plug on iCloud? Personally for me I will never trust another word they say. It is not the point that yeah I can re host very damn thing including my business website and store...it's the fact that I already did this once and really shouldn't have to do it again.

shandyman
Aug 28, 2011, 07:49 PM
Ok here's my 2 cents.....iCloud is a bunch of ****!! For two damn years I drank apples bs tea and used mobile me to host the thousands of pics I post online. Now...they basically tell me to eat a dick, so sad too bad. I am sorry but this iCloud crap is exactly that.....CRAP!!! Not to mention my business website which I host on there they they basically have screwed me out of. I seriously think that if Photobucket just said out of the blue..."screw you we quit" there would be a ton of outrage. This would be different if it was a free service but it's not. WE PAY FOR IT!

So how long is it going to be before they realize this was a waste of their time and pull the plug on iCloud? Personally for me I will never trust another word they say. It is not the point that yeah I can re host very damn thing including my business website and store...it's the fact that I already did this once and really shouldn't have to do it again.

Wow. OTT much? Take a chill pill. It's not the end of the world!! Yes they pulled the plug on MobileMe, that's a different kettle of fish. You've got a year to find a replacement for the services, there are good alternatives around. Obviously MobileMe was not generating enough income for the usage. Companies end services all the time.

Also iCloud is pretty good for a free service. You're just hating on it cos you're comparing it to MobileMe. You can't compare them for the simple fact that MobileMe is a paid for service and iCloud is a free service.

nospeed411
Aug 28, 2011, 08:43 PM
Ok....so how's a "FREE" service going to generate income?

iCloud offers me NOTHING....got it ? ZIP ZILCH NADA NOTHING....it's a complete joke...You can't do didly squat with your pictures so what the point of having them there other than to provide back up online? You can't remote host them and post them any where. Really does iCloud even have a purpose other than free back up for a bunch of iPhone and iPad users? NO. The only reason this was done was to pull more people away from having to have a second computer and sell iPads and iPhones. i.e. take customers away from PC manufacturers.

It is just one more move by Apple to alienate more real laptop/desktop computer users. Because in reality most PC/ Apple desktop and laptop users have back up available through time machine or other home storage solutions.

Oh wait I forgot....it's there so people don't have to grab their tiny little cable and synch their phone....Really?? How dumb is this. I never thought plugging my phone in was that big of a task:confused: Next thing you know they will offer iPhone and iPad charging using mind control...God forbid we have to "plug" it in to anything anymore.

shandyman
Aug 29, 2011, 12:28 AM
Ok....so how's a "FREE" service going to generate income?

if you'd read up about it, iCloud is funded by the existing profits from iOS devices, so there is no charge to anyone, no adverts, nothing. there's nothing stopping people without an iOS device signing up for a free account at all. if you claim it's not free, where exactly am i paying?

iCloud offers me NOTHING....got it ? ZIP ZILCH NADA NOTHING....it's a complete joke...You can't do didly squat with your pictures so what the point of having them there other than to provide back up online? You can't remote host them and post them any where. Really does iCloud even have a purpose other than free back up for a bunch of iPhone and iPad users? NO. The only reason this was done was to pull more people away from having to have a second computer and sell iPads and iPhones. i.e. take customers away from PC manufacturers.

It may not offer you nothing, but only a small minority of iOS users actually had MobileMe. so the majority are getting a bunch of extra free features for their device. alot of people use other services for photo hosting, such as Flickr anyway, infact way more people use Flickr than MobileMe. for iCloud users, it's great that any recent photo we take is backed up to our computers and available on our iOS devices. iCloud has many features (http://www.apple.com/icloud/), yes they are mostly iOS related, but that's the point since it's already factored into the profit of iOS devices. Yes Apple are a business, so they will do things inspired by business.

It is just one more move by Apple to alienate more real laptop/desktop computer users. Because in reality most PC/ Apple desktop and laptop users have back up available through time machine or other home storage solutions.

actually i think you'll find that most average users still don't actually backup their systems, i do alot of first line support for Joe Public and a vast majority don't backup their laptop/desktops. Plus i think you're EXTREMELY over doing it in regards to this point, as you really don't make any sense.

Oh wait I forgot....it's there so people don't have to grab their tiny little cable and synch their phone....Really?? How dumb is this. I never thought plugging my phone in was that big of a task:confused: Next thing you know they will offer iPhone and iPad charging using mind control...God forbid we have to "plug" it in to anything anymore.

Actually the wireless syncing to a computer is nothing to do with iCloud, you're mixing up wireless syncing and iCloud backups. totally different entities, you should look up each and see the difference.

like i said, you need to go have a time out, chill, cry it out, whatever. Apple are a business, MobileMe obviously was not successful enough, so they scrapped it for something that may be more widely used. Deal with it and move on, there's suitable enough alternatives to the services that MobileMe supplied, there was before MobileMe and there is now.

nospeed411
Aug 31, 2011, 06:27 PM
Good I am sooooo happy you like iCloud... When's the wedding?

Mark my words...Apple's agenda is quite clear here. It seems you fail to realize that and enjoy them making your choices for you.

And seriously.....do you enjoy telling people to calm down ?...If I feel that something pisses me off I will get as damn worked up about it as I feel I need to. Last thing I need is you telling me how to react to something that downright grinds my gears.

Good day mate:p

shandyman
Aug 31, 2011, 06:47 PM
Good I am sooooo happy you like iCloud... When's the wedding?

Mark my words...Apple's agenda is quite clear here. It seems you fail to realize that and enjoy them making your choices for you.

And seriously.....do you enjoy telling people to calm down ?...If I feel that something pisses me off I will get as damn worked up about it as I feel I need to. Last thing I need is you telling me how to react to something that downright grinds my gears.

Good day mate:p

wow, do you want to sound any more immature?

i said to calm down as you were ranting like a madman and not making any coherent or rational points. things can piss you off, but if you're gonna post, just post rational rather than random points with no base in reality or fact.

i countered all your points rationally, with facts and calmly, i was trying to have a reasonable discussion. You obviously cannot come up with any rational and reasonable counter points to mine and you start with the paranoid comment that apple is trying to take over the world (ok slight exaggeration, but since you seem to be entitled to it, i'll take that liberty now).

Chapati
Sep 19, 2012, 05:49 AM
Hiya

Not that I want to add fuel to the fire here, but have a question I cant find the answer to easily...

On i-cloud, if you buy additional storage, can you use this to back up the photos that are not in your photostream?

Chapati

BaldiMac
Sep 19, 2012, 08:13 AM
Hiya

Not that I want to add fuel to the fire here, but have a question I cant find the answer to easily...

On i-cloud, if you buy additional storage, can you use this to back up the photos that are not in your photostream?

Chapati

iCloud backs up any photos in your camera roll. It does not back up photos synced from your Mac/PC.

dogthateats
Sep 20, 2012, 10:01 PM
Can someone please help me with a couple photostream questions that I have?

Has Photo stream always counted against the storage on the device or is this an ios 6 "feature"? I'm wondering why it counts as 450 mb against my ipad and only 200mb towards my iphone storage. I took the pics with my iphone only. I was under the impression photostream was only stored in icloud.

Thanks for any help

scott182
Sep 23, 2012, 12:27 PM
Can someone please help me with a couple photostream questions that I have?

Has Photo stream always counted against the storage on the device or is this an ios 6 "feature"? I'm wondering why it counts as 450 mb against my ipad and only 200mb towards my iphone storage. I took the pics with my iphone only. I was under the impression photostream was only stored in icloud.

Thanks for any help

iCloud keeps the most recent 30 days of photos (from any Photo Stream-enabled device), up to 1000 total. Yes, they're being stored in iCloud, but they are also stored locally on your device. Pictures aren't "streamed" to your device on demand; that would make for a terrible user experience because there'd be a delay while you flipped through them. As far as the iPad vs. iPhone storage space, I suspect that the iPad is keeping a higher-resolution version since it's a higher-resolution display.