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JakeUK
Aug 8, 2011, 05:29 AM
Hi Everyone again,

I have pretty much decided to get the new Macbook Air 13 as a first mac computer.

So I drove to apple store in London, have chosen the 256 SSD i5 version (about £1450) and was ready to pay. I found one, really only one problem:
The system text was too small for me to read comfortably.
Now, I know that there is no system wide DPI setting in OS X. Lowering resolution solution (apple genius in that shop idea) is plain silly – flat panels should be run at native resolution to give a sharp image.
Zooming all the time is not really a solution.
I know that I can change the Finder and Applications fonts – but most of the menus (CS5) are too small for me. Calendar and Outlook would be a pain too.

So I am stuck:
- Love the Air and could run Win 7 for CS5 (will install for CorelDraw anyway) but this is not a real solution

- Get the 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch with the base display (low res). But the Pro with even the smallest SSD is over £1700, and the version with good graphic card is almost £2000.
And also is it true that Pro 15” will be replaced with a ‘thin’ version this year?

What would you do?



reclusive46
Aug 8, 2011, 05:43 AM
Where the other machines in the store just as bad? It might have been a different panel in the machine. If they were I'd get a MacBook Pro if you need it now. If not wait till the refresh.

Vanillian
Aug 8, 2011, 05:54 AM
What would you do?

I'd imagine I would find a pair of glasses, or perhaps contacts if you'd prefer.

pmr1
Aug 8, 2011, 05:55 AM
If it were me with the same problem i'd get something I want.
If the text being too small was that large an issue, I wouldn't buy it.

However, what about using an external monitor? Maybe that'd give you the kind of system font size you're after.

Psilocybin
Aug 8, 2011, 06:02 AM
If it were me with the same problem i'd get something I want.
If the text being too small was that large an issue, I wouldn't buy it.

However, what about using an external monitor? Maybe that'd give you the kind of system font size you're after.

That doesn't solve the portability feature of the MBA. What's be going to do carry a monitor around with him?

JakeUK
Aug 8, 2011, 06:08 AM
I'd imagine I would find a pair of glasses, or perhaps contacts if you'd prefer.

Well, yes I am wearing contacts :/

All the 13inch displays were a good if not brilliant quality; It is just the font size.

External monitor may be good but I need a laptop.

I know it is impossible to do it that way, but really If Apple would sell a DPI setting for OS X for £200 I will buy without even thinking LOL

pmr1
Aug 8, 2011, 06:23 AM
On the portable issue, obviously an external monitor doesn't help.

I just figured for most of your work regarding saying, CS5, having an external monitor would be handy. If you're not doing your work on the fly, why not? At least then you won't have your issues while you work.

If you are doing all of your work while moving around, then yes, it doesn't help.

rowley
Aug 8, 2011, 06:40 AM
I've been told before tinkertool can adjust this.

and of course cmd shift + can increase text sizes, rather than using the zoom with trackpad.

JakeUK
Aug 8, 2011, 07:14 AM
Thanks Guys,

Regarding the Thinker tool and while it is a nice tool it does not work for my problem – apparently will mess up windows, buttons and so on.

Ok at the moment seems that the Pro 15 with low res screen is the only way to go for me. Do we know something about the thin Air-like version coming?

clyde2801
Aug 8, 2011, 07:15 AM
Stinks getting old, donnit? As a new initiate of the bifocals and reading glasses crowd, I can safely say that.

If it's text in web pages that's a bit small, you can always double tap the column you're reading to zoom in like the iOS devices.

h00ligan
Aug 8, 2011, 12:23 PM
At first glance coming from a 15" I felt the same way... however, give it a week and you will very quickly adjust..especially if you wear contacts already and they are a current prescription. It may not be a limitation as it first seems, but rather an acclimation or preference to the familiar. I can now read at arms length.

Additionally the screen becomes much more difficult to read with the brightness cranked up.

supersalo
Aug 8, 2011, 12:31 PM
At first glance coming from a 15" I felt the same way... however, give it a week and you will very quickly adjust..especially if you wear contacts already and they are a current prescription. It may not be a limitation as it first seems, but rather an acclimation or preference to the familiar. I can now read at arms length.

Additionally the screen becomes much more difficult to read with the brightness cranked up.


I can also attest to this. At first the 11" text seems small, but if you put it side by side with a 15" MBP, it's just a *tad* smaller. The smaller screen plays tricks with my mind and makes the text look smaller than it is ;-)

altecXP
Aug 8, 2011, 01:08 PM
If you want 13in portability and its powerful enough for you, why not get the 13in Pro? It's faster than the Air, lighter/cheaper than the 15in Pro and has a lower res display.

Dominus Mortem
Aug 8, 2011, 01:46 PM
How far away are you when you normally read? I'm always slightly closer than arm's length (about 22" for me) and my eyes aren't very good (I wear glasses) and I can read the 13" and the 11" text just fine. Are you habitually reading at more than arm's length? That would put you in the greater than 24" range and all but the lowest res Apple (13" mbp comes to mind) laptops will have fonts large enough at distances over 24"

Also, are you wearing single focus or bi-focus lenses? If the latter you may want to find out the focal distance the closeup lens is set for as it may not be the right distance for your computer activities.

adnoh
Aug 8, 2011, 02:02 PM
So the choice is between MBA13 and MBP15?

Why is the MBP13 out of contention?

Text will appear the same size on the 13 and 15" due to screen size and res.

Also I would highly recommend buying and installing your own SSD in the MBP. It will be cheaper than getting apple to do it and DOES NOT affect your warranty. The intel 320 128GB is available here (http://www.ebuyer.com/261744-intel-120gb-320-series-ssd-2-5-sata-ii-read-270mb-s-write-ssdsa2cw120g310) for £164

I installed a SSD in my macbook and it took 10 mins.

Meever
Aug 8, 2011, 02:03 PM
why not consider the 13" Pro? Better CPU, better battery life, lower dpi, faster overall minus hard drive performance.

Driver8
Aug 8, 2011, 02:28 PM
anyone else find the text a little small on the mba? I find myself doing a lot of zooming and leaning in on websites...

johnc22
Aug 8, 2011, 02:43 PM
I have the 13", and while wearing contacts and regular glasses for nearsightedness, I find that I'm approaching the point in life where I need bifocals or reading glasses. Likely the OP is nearsighted as well, and with standard vision correction going for distance, it makes reading small text more difficult (I read a book or Kindle better without glasses or contacts).

So, my long-winded point is that with proper reading glasses I doubt the DPI would be a problem.

I do find photo processing on a 13" screen difficult (trialing Aperture 3 and Lightroom 3).

OSMac
Aug 8, 2011, 06:27 PM
Same issue here with the 13" Air, disappointing. Found I was zooming all the time and some apps just don't offer that.

Like you I considered the 15" standard res or the 13" Pro as its similar DPI,
but those are far from the light weight Air that appealed to me.

10.6.8 apparently had a terminal command to increase the DPI but it no longer works in Lion.

So simple in Windows 7, Apple needs to address this.

entatlrg
Aug 8, 2011, 08:00 PM
Hi Everyone again,

I have pretty much decided to get the new Macbook Air 13 as a first mac computer.

So I drove to apple store in London, have chosen the 256 SSD i5 version (about £1450) and was ready to pay. I found one, really only one problem:
The system text was too small for me to read comfortably.
Now, I know that there is no system wide DPI setting in OS X. Lowering resolution solution (apple genius in that shop idea) is plain silly – flat panels should be run at native resolution to give a sharp image.
Zooming all the time is not really a solution.
I know that I can change the Finder and Applications fonts – but most of the menus (CS5) are too small for me. Calendar and Outlook would be a pain too.

So I am stuck:
- Love the Air and could run Win 7 for CS5 (will install for CorelDraw anyway) but this is not a real solution

- Get the 2011 Macbook Pro 15inch with the base display (low res). But the Pro with even the smallest SSD is over £1700, and the version with good graphic card is almost £2000.
And also is it true that Pro 15” will be replaced with a ‘thin’ version this year?

What would you do?

My eyes aren't great but I found higher resolution small text much easier on the eyes compared to reading the 'pixelated' text on the low res 15" mbp...

entatlrg
Aug 8, 2011, 08:06 PM
Same issue here with the 13" Air, disappointing. Found I was zooming all the time and some apps just don't offer that.

Like you I considered the 15" standard res or the 13" Pro as its similar DPI,
but those are far from the light weight Air that appealed to me.

10.6.8 apparently had a terminal command to increase the DPI but it no longer works in Lion.

So simple in Windows 7, Apple needs to address this.

It's great to post feedback here -but- always a good idea to share your feedback directly with Apple, if they get enough call for anything it's more likely to happen sooner rather than later ....

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

JakeUK
Aug 9, 2011, 06:05 AM
Thanks for all the answers. What a really helpful place this forum is.

So the choice is between MBA13 and MBP15?

Why is the MBP13 out of contention?

Text will appear the same size on the 13 and 15" due to screen size and res.

Also I would highly recommend buying and installing your own SSD in the MBP. It will be cheaper than getting apple to do it and DOES NOT affect your warranty. The intel 320 128GB is available here (http://www.ebuyer.com/261744-intel-120gb-320-series-ssd-2-5-sata-ii-read-270mb-s-write-ssdsa2cw120g310) for £164

I installed a SSD in my macbook and it took 10 mins.

Now, I know that Macbook Pro 13 is a cheaper alternative, but it lacks the Air’s wow factor. It will give me a bigger font for price of the resolution of course. Fair trade. But every time I would look at it I would think – it is not an air lol. The 15inch one will give me a BIG, nice screen as compensation.

Thanks!
I like the SSD upgrade idea: buy a base Pro 15 now and swap 500HDD for SSD. And do RAM upgrade later on.
OS X Lion will come preinstalled on the HDD. How can I install it on the new SSD. Do I have to buy it (again lol)?

Jake.

clyde2801
Aug 9, 2011, 06:27 AM
Thanks for all the answers. What a really helpful place this forum is.



Now, I know that Macbook Pro 13 is a cheaper alternative, but it lacks the Air’s wow factor. It will give me a bigger font for price of the resolution of course. Fair trade. But every time I would look at it I would think – it is not an air lol. The 15inch one will give me a BIG, nice screen as compensation.

Thanks!
I like the SSD upgrade idea: buy a base Pro 15 now and swap 500HDD for SSD. And do RAM upgrade later on.
OS X Lion will come preinstalled on the HDD. How can I install it on the new SSD. Do I have to buy it (again lol)?

Jake.

Get an external 2.5 enclosure, and clone the hard drive onto the ssd. Swap the 2 drives, and use your original HDD as media storage or a backup.

KPOM
Aug 9, 2011, 07:15 AM
Hi Everyone again,

I have pretty much decided to get the new Macbook Air 13 as a first mac computer.

So I drove to apple store in London, have chosen the 256 SSD i5 version (about £1450) and was ready to pay. I found one, really only one problem:
The system text was too small for me to read comfortably.
Now, I know that there is no system wide DPI setting in OS X. Lowering resolution solution (apple genius in that shop idea) is plain silly – flat panels should be run at native resolution to give a sharp image.

I think you could run it at 1280x800. It's the same resolution that the 13" MacBook Pro runs at, so it should be sharp.



And also is it true that Pro 15” will be replaced with a ‘thin’ version this year?

What would you do?

That's the current rumor, but we don't know many details.

ZipZap
Aug 9, 2011, 08:40 AM
For close up work, I recommend separate reading glasses. Bi-focals are never as good as they have to balance distance with near, and one range will be the loser.

In fact, I no longer use bi-focal glasses as they are more of a pain then they are worth.

Contacts can be a bit better as the multi-focal perscriptions are more smoothly blended. But close up reading is never going to be good without a separate pair of reading glasses. I use a low perscription reader overtop of my contacts...works well for closeup.