Goodbye, I hope.

[anjaki]

I may only have been a member for a couple of years but I've been perusing these forums for a lot longer and the exchange that I had yesterday with edesignuk (here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=120549&page=4&pp=25)) set me thinking: at the rate I post it will be at least 15 years before I am entitled to an avatar, something that I do not think accurately reflects my input into this website.

What input you may ask, if I hardly ever post? Well, if I am correct in my thinking, this site is financed through the hits it receives and not through the number of postings an individual makes, if it were say 500 logins, I would not be writing this, and I would also have had an avatar within, at most, a 150 day period.

But as edesignuk has plainly made clear: " ...course, you're wasting your breath. It's been gone over, many, many times. Nothing is about to change.".

I find this very difficult to digest (particularly the tone), because it implies that even if my argumentation was correct, out of spite it would not even be considered. And if that is the case with this issue, I have no alternative but to believe that this, rather than being the exception, is in fact the rule with any criticism I or any others may level at MacRumours or anything else for that matter, be it right or wrong.

Now, I don't know what the other members are prepared to put up with, but I am not prepared to put up with this philistine attitude, because to condone it, is to lend credence to it.

But maybe this attitude of the moderators derives from the fact that they are some of the worst offenders when it comes off-topic micro postings.

I would cancel my membership immediately, if I could find the button, but in your infinite wisdom you appear to have forgotten one, or at least I can't find it, so I hereby request that the rule quoted by Mitthrawnuruodo:

".......This will get your account banned -- and get your IP banned from the forums and site where you won't even be able to load the site."

be implemented, for I no longer wish to be associated with this website.

[Blue Velvet]

Throwing your toys out of the pram and storming off in a huff is no way to resolve disputes...

[anjaki]

Throwing your toys out of the pram and storming off in a huff is no way to resolve disputes...

But that is just my point, it has been made perfectly clear that any dispute is unresolvable due to the like it or lump it attitude of the moderators, and so under the circumstances I'm voting with my feet.

[AmigoMac]

auf Wiedersehen und viel Glück!
Alles gute :)

[jesse_james]

As a professional lurker on this site I have to say edesignuk, in my humble opinion, was perhaps hastily. In a search for the perfectly happy utopian forum sometimes moderators can get a little trigger happy. The natural response for any poster to a comment being deleted is to repost, in some vain attempt to gain respectability.

I doubt anjaki you should leave over such a thing.

[Diatribe]

Yeah, I would leave a country over a dispute with the police too. Way to make a point.

[edesignuk]

You spammed. It was deleted. Get over it. Why does this have to be made in to such a big issue? :rolleyes:

Stop making out you're so hard done by because 4 posts were deleted. Your not the first it will happen to and you won't be the last. Most people seem to be able to deal with it though.

Bye.

[jesse_james]

You spammed. It was deleted. Get over it. Why does this have to be made in to such a big issue? :rolleyes:

Stop making out you're so hard done by because 4 posts were deleted. Your not the first it will happen to and you won't be the last. Most people seem to be able to deal with it though.

Bye.

Please do everyone a favor and type 'what is spam?' into google.

[Applespider]

Seems like an over-reaction on both sides...

I didn't read the 4 posts before they were deleted but posting 4 times in a row isn't always frowned upon - so long as they're covering different things - tho naturally, consolidation is preferred from the reader's viewpoint let alone the mod's.

The 500 post to a 'tar has been the rule for a while - and it's been discussed several times about whether a time/post combination would be better, most recently a few months ago. Like Powerbook G5, is the 17" too big, iBook update threads, it's not surprising that the mods (and most of the readers) are tired of reading them - particulary when they're off topic in another thread. If you have a burning desire to change something, start a topic on it in the appropriate place as e suggested. Maybe e was a little blunt but I doubt it was anything personal.

Yeah sure, we're all guilty of OT posts but they're often the kind that don't encourage argument and so hijack the thread. If they do, then we'll all be told off by the mods.

Actually, have no idea why I bothered since I doubt you'll be back to check if you really were so disturbed...

[edesignuk]

Please do everyone a favor and type 'what is spam?' into google.No thanks. I think I'll skip it.

I don't want to get it to arguments with everyone here. I deleted 4 posts made one after another which I deemed as spam. It was nothing personal against the poster. It's just what I and the others are here for.

I quite honestly can't believe what a HUGE deal you're making of this.

[jesse_james]

No thanks. I think I'll skip it..

As long as you're happy to be ignorant on the issue, then so am I.

[edesignuk]

I find this very difficult to digest (particularly the tone), because it implies that even if my argumentation was correct, out of spite it would not even be considered. And if that is the case with this issue, I have no alternative but to believe that this, rather than being the exception, is in fact the rule with any criticism I or any others may level at MacRumours or anything else for that matter, be it right or wrong.You can criticise all you like, and we will talk about why things are as they are, and possible ideas for changes. As I said in the thread you reference, if you have an issue post a thread in here to discuss it.

This still does not change the fact that you were taking another thread OT with "spamming" (yes, maybe not the right word, but I'm sure you know what I mean).

[edesignuk]

As long as you're happy to be ignorant on the issue, then so am I.Yes, of course, how silly of me. Not searching google for "what is spam?" makes me ignorant. My sincere apologies.

[jesse_james]

Yes, of course, how silly of me. Not searching google for "what is spam?" makes me ignorant. My sincere apologies.

No... but not knowing what it is, does. Especially considering you claim to be some kind of authority on the matter.

[edesignuk]

No... but not knowing what it is, does. Especially considering you claim to be some kind of authority on the matter.We use the word "spam" very loosely, perhaps it might not be entirely the correct word, but there we go. I still don't see what the big problem is here. Someone else posted 4 OT posts in a row which got deleted. Nothing happened that requires this kind of reaction.

Good job everyone doesn't make such a HUGE deal whenever something gets deleted, we'd never hear the end of it :rolleyes:

[AmigoMac]

have to agree with an overreaction concept from both sides...
it may be that "Spam" is not the right word, I would say "flood" as in IRC and still could be the wrong word but in the end we all know the meaning we look for.

Don't be so harsh.

Man sieht sich. :)

[Lacero]

I think Anjaki was not spamming, but was just trying to be humorous. It was done in jest, so deleting all 4 posts was a little overboard. Maybe deleting the last three posts and adding a mod note to why it was deleted would have been "nicer".

No reason to get upset over a few deletions. I regularly get my posts deleted all the time by the mods. Don't take it personally. They are just doing their jobs.

[jesse_james]

We use the word "spam" very loosely, perhaps it might not be entirely the correct word, but there we go. I still don't see what the big problem is here. Someone else posted 4 OT posts in a row which got deleted. Nothing happened that requires this kind of reaction.

Good job everyone doesn't make such a HUGE deal whenever something gets deleted, we'd never hear the end of it :rolleyes:

Clearly the misjudgment by the user in this case doesn't constitute spam (or even the misrepresentation in which the term is meant to be viewed in regard to these forums).

The big problem here is plain and simple the tone of your explanations (post problem). Given the user has been a member for some time, and to my knowledge hasn't been a problem in the past, the issue could have been handled by deleting 3 of the posts and a mod edit to explain.

My 2 cents.

[edesignuk]

The big problem here is plain and simple the tone of your explanations (post problem). Given the user has been a member for some time, and to my knowledge hasn't been a problem in the past, the issue could have been handled by deleting 3 of the posts and a mod edit to explain.I'm sorry but I don't see any problem with the tone of anything. As an established member who has been around for sometime they should know full well that posting 4 times in a row is more than frowned upon when the content is not only OT, but "spam" or whatever you want to call it.

I'm not going to bend over backwards to make sure I'm "nice" about having to go round tidying up threads. This never even had to be an issue.

As we've been through before, there is no way I am going to leave an explanation for everything I do, and neither are any of the other mods.

Why are you even wanting to carry this on? It’s OVER. The toys have been thrown out the pram and he/she has left.

They're still quite welcome back of course, just stop moaning about nothing.

[mkrishnan]

Mmmm...I'm sad you feel the way you feel, anjaki, although I respect edesignuk's position too.... Why is having an avatar so important to you anyway, though? There are lots of people here that people knew and liked and respected long before they got avatars. Everyone knew duff-man not only for his schtick, for instance, but for being really helpful to new Mac users, a long time before he got an avatar. In fact, we were just waiting for him to get one, so that we could see the duff-man character next to his name where it belonged. But we read his posts when it wasn't there.

Whether you post enough to get a 'tar or not is ultimately your decision...clearly my post rate is pretty high, considering I just switched a year and a half ago. But having one doesn't define your worth within the context of MR any more than it does within any other context. So whether or not you stay, I hope you don't keep thinking that way...

[jesse_james]

Why are you even wanting to carry this on?

I'm just stirring the pot for my own amusement.

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I think Anjaki was not spamming, but was just trying to be humorous. It was done in jest, so deleting all 4 posts was a little overboard. Maybe deleting the last three posts and adding a mod note to why it was deleted would have been "nicer".I totally agree... I read the posts, and although it was clearly spamming (as this is understood in forum rules), but I too think it was a bit haysty to delete all four... maybe Lacero's idea would be a nice, and far from unreasonable, compromise...?

Because I also think anjaki's overreacting just a bit... no need to be that offended from posts being deleted...

[mad jew]

I actually can't believe there's a thread on this topic. I was following the thread in question and not only was it the lamest attempt at humour in quite a while (and that's coming from me!), it also goes some way to showing what sort of a person you are anjaki. I'd say this thread should be waste-landed or something but I suppose it's a good reference to newbies so ironically it's probably the most help you've ever given anjaki in your example of how not to behave on a forum.

BTW, I've got a cousin who's three years old, she's given up spitting the dummy, hasn't done it for a good five weeks now. ;)

[mkrishnan]

BTW, I've got a cousin who's three years old, she's given up spitting the dummy, hasn't done it for a good five weeks now. ;)

It is, apparently, however, a good place to learn some interesting Oz vernacular! :eek: ;) :D

[mad jew]

It is, apparently, however, a good place to learn some interesting Oz vernacular! :eek: ;) :D

Is that Aussie? Don't tell me it's got some, err, different connotations...

[Blue Velvet]

Dummy = pacifier.

Appropriate for this thread... :rolleyes:

[mkrishnan]

Is that Aussie? Don't tell me it's got some, err, different connotations...

No, it didn't mean anything to me, until I UrbanDictionary'd it. I figured it probably meant vomiting. :D But this morning, maybe that's for the Adobe / Macromedia thread. :eek:

[mad jew]

Thanks Blue, I always forget to translate little things like that. :)

[Chip NoVaMac]

Anjaki, sorry that you feel you must leave. Take it from me, based on my experience, MR has to be the easiest going forums around. They let lots of things slide, and others they don't. All in all they let us be us.

[MacDawg]

I may only have been a member for a couple of years but I've been perusing these forums for a lot longer and the exchange that I had yesterday with edesignuk (here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=120549&page=4&pp=25)) set me thinking: at the rate I post it will be at least 15 years before I am entitled to an avatar, something that I do not think accurately reflects my input into this website.

What input you may ask, if I hardly ever post? Well, if I am correct in my thinking, this site is financed through the hits it receives and not through the number of postings an individual makes, if it were say 500 logins, I would not be writing this, and I would also have had an avatar within, at most, a 150 day period.

I have to say that the posts were deleted before I read the thread, so I don't have a full perspective, but my question would be, is the issue the deletion of (almost universally agreed) spamming posts, i.e. disagreeing with moderators judgment, or that it takes 500 posts to get an avatar?

Seems to me that folks place an awful lot of stock in the status of having an avatar. As I posted in the other thread, people seem to put more thought into their avatar than they do their posts sometimes. Its just a picture... what you have to say is far more important IMHO. If you are just wanting the 500 post rule changed, that isn't going to happen I don't think. I for one, think it is a good rule. It weeds out those who just want to have a 'tar. If you have a problem with moderation, the way to handle it is not in the open forum, but through PMs with the appropriate leadership, i.e. arn, mudbug, Dr. Q, Mr. Anderson, et. al. If your problem is specific to E, then PM one of the others and copy him in.


But as edesignuk has plainly made clear: " ...course, you're wasting your breath. It's been gone over, many, many times. Nothing is about to change.".

I find this very difficult to digest (particularly the tone), because it implies that even if my argumentation was correct, out of spite it would not even be considered. And if that is the case with this issue, I have no alternative but to believe that this, rather than being the exception, is in fact the rule with any criticism I or any others may level at MacRumours or anything else for that matter, be it right or wrong.

Now, I don't know what the other members are prepared to put up with, but I am not prepared to put up with this philistine attitude, because to condone it, is to lend credence to it.

But maybe this attitude of the moderators derives from the fact that they are some of the worst offenders when it comes off-topic micro postings.

Inciting a rebellion within the ranks will most likely do two things, (1) bring down the wrath of most of the membership, because they have found that in spite of its faults(?), this is the best place to be, and they are protective of their oasis on the 'net and (2) bring down the wrath of the mods, and a temporary ban, with an ultimate ban the next step. We all seen it happen over and over.

I would cancel my membership immediately, if I could find the button, but in your infinite wisdom you appear to have forgotten one, or at least I can't find it, so I hereby request that the rule quoted by Mitthrawnuruodo:

".......This will get your account banned -- and get your IP banned from the forums and site where you won't even be able to load the site."

be implemented, for I no longer wish to be associated with this website.

No need to cancel your membership or get banned. If you find value here (and you obviously did at one time), then stay and contribute, work through the issues and deal with them. In no time at all, as you contribute, you will have a coveted 'tar. The best way is to find a thread or create one that you are passionate about, and contribute/respond to it (them) with a lot of thought.

If you don't find value any more, then just don't log on any more. Simple. We hope you stay and contribute. We value everyone. But if not, then don't try to stir up emotional ill will. This is a family, and we take exception to that.

Like any relationship, it takes work. I wouldn't expect you to end other relationships this quickly over such matters. If you can put this behind you, I think you can move on and find this to be a meaningful place for you.

For my part, I don't get to spend near enough time here any more, and I miss it. Sorry you don't find the same value.

Woof, Woof - Dawg

[iGary]

Christ, I've had stuff deleted, and I didn't think it was fair, but guess what?

IT ISN'T MY SITE.

Get over it.

There are lots of free message board services if you want to start your own and be commander in chief.

[edesignuk]

I would cancel my membership immediately, if I could find the button, but in your infinite wisdom you appear to have forgotten one, or at least I can't find itlol, it's not our "infinite wisdom", perhaps you'd like to take this up with the people who write vBulletin. Maybe you can go in to one at them, and start attacking their programmers.

The more I read this the more I can't believe what I am seeing. All this over nothing.

[Applespider]

This is getting really silly - can't a mod just lock this thread and if anjaki decides he wants to come back and start a campaign to change the 'tar rules, he can do so

[edesignuk]

This is getting really silly - can't a mod just lock this thread and if anjaki decides he wants to come back and start a campaign to change the 'tar rules, he can do soI'd love to...but, then I'd probably be accused of trying to silence critics :rolleyes:

[mkrishnan]

I'd love to...but, then I'd probably be accused of trying to silence critics :rolleyes:

Maybe you should just roll with it and add a donation link on the front page for a fund to buy you a pair of jackboots. :rolleyes:

[Platform]

I'd love to...but, then I'd probably be accused of trying to silence critics :rolleyes:

heheheh proberly....but this is just tooooooo silly please stop.

anjaki if you are so upset about the 'tar' rules well take it up with all the mods and see, but if it does ot change well then it does not change then ;)

I have not been here for a year yet but it is a good forum and has been fair to me

[jayscheuerle]

Wonder what I could get for my user name and avatar on Ebay....?

[Diatribe]

Wonder what I could get for my user name and avatar on Ebay....?

with THAT tar? Not a whole lot I fear :D :p

[jayscheuerle]

with THAT tar? Not a whole lot I fear :D :p

I was busy putting the "tar" in retarded...

[yellow]

4 posts? This entire thread is over 4 deleted posts? Everytime I (jokingly!!!!!!!) mention killing a hobo with a hammer, it gets deleted. How long before this one goes? Time to stiffen your 'resolve' and get on with it.

[arn]

Ok,

I think there has been a bit of overreaction on both sides.

Let's let this one die down.

arn

[WinterMute]

Does the phrase "storm in a teacup" mean anything to anyone outside of the UK? ;) :D

I think the balance of moderation and free-expression is well guarded here at MR, I was constantly surprised by what was allowed when I was a lowly member, especially in the Community Forum, and now I'm a mod, I'd like to think I support that balance.

Some members are always going to disagree with some of the decisions made by mods but thats OK, we're charged with keeping the peace and keeping it friendly (where possible). I think e did what we would all have done, it's no biggie.

It's a shame anjaki feels he has to leave the site, but nothing's going to change because of it.

Thanks for the intelligent comments folks, this is over now. :)