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[Sunrunner]

I just want to remind everyone that upcoming PwerMacs with 970MPs are basically CONFIRMED (http://everythingapple.blogspot.com/2005/03/chud-411-references-to-quad-cpus-and.html); its just a question of release date. I say WWDC... it fits with usual development and production timelines.

Remember this? http://everythingapple.blogspot.com/2005/03/chud-411-references-to-quad-cpus-and.html

[Cooknn]

The perception could be:

So, the same week that Intel and AMD double the speed of their systems, Apple adds 200MHz.


We all know how wrong that statement is, but too many people would get exactly that idea from the headlines.

It would make sense for Apple to introduce a quad CPU XServe in a larger chassis, however. Show the video devos what they'll get for their render farms....If they do announce something new tonight, I would agree that it doesn't make sense that it would be the predicted PM speed bump. I'm thinking something much bigger - your comment on the XServe could be right on the money.

[FlyNolJ]

Shipping times in the Spanish AppleStore for all Dual PM has changed in the last two days to 1-2 weeks. If you choose the 6800 graphic card, the shipping time is 3-4 weeks, and as many people has already noted, the ATI 9800XT has been completely removed.


It's about time someone else said this (because I said it when the first rumors were posted). I don't think it's getting the credit deserved though. Isn't the rumor that the new PowerMacs by standard will be getting a Radeon 9600??? Personally, I think that they have pulled the 9800 line so that Apple can offer this as standard and already have the needed supplies to keep shipping times within 1-2 weeks. My personal opinion. Let's think about it, why else would they all of a sudden pull the 9800 option>>>???

As for the poll: NO :(

[crpchristian]

I say YES

%55 chance i say
because I want it to be Yes ;)

Otherwise I say %95 yes at wwdc and that they will be major upgrades of some kind. (i find it hard to believe apple would not have been able to produce minor upgrades a few months ago. I bet they just wanted to dump all resources (partially to 'heal' the 3ghz bad vibe) for something major). I would guess apple/jobs would have felt that a minor upgrade after the 3ghz thing really wouldn't have made up for much and wanted to do something major the next time around so everyone would forget about it and be happy little mac children....or envious little wintel kids from across the tracks). I only speculate this because Jobs did infact adress the 'missing the 3ghz' mark with a fair amount of attention so he obviously is affected by that situation. Personally, for being a corporate power player i think jobs is a pretty cool guy and respect what he's doing by far and large.

[myapplseedshurt]

prepare to be disappointed. however on the upside, imacs will gain a speed dial ala ipod. that's sort of good. :( :( :( :confused: :confused: :confused:

[cosmoed]

What time is the event?

[le_coc]

06:00 PM-08:30 PM US Pacific time

http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ASPRegistration.woa/wa/eventsByEventSeries?eventSerieId=5350

so what's you r vote? yes or NO? (READ BACK)

[danm]

06:00 PM-08:30 PM US Pacific time

http://www.seminars.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/ASPRegistration.woa/wa/eventsByEventSeries?eventSerieId=5350

so what's you r vote? yes or NO? (READ BACK)

I hope YES, ...................

But expect NO.

This fence is uncomfortable.

[quta]

Interesting to note that the stock G5's at store.apple.com have immediate availability, but any changes at all result in a 7- 10 day delay. Last week, you could add memory or a drive and it would only change it to a 1 - 3 day delay. This could be a simple change in inventory levels, or it could signal something new coming down the pipeline in the next day or two.

I'm not sure about the event tonight, but I vote YES to new G5's announced in the next 48 hours, with availability April 29 (since they will ship with Tiger preinstalled).

No other machines appear to have such a long shipping delay when changes are made to the stock configuration.

[DHagan4755]

I would say new Power Macs Wednesday at the latest, hopefully ASAP. They will probably be revved on Monday or Tuesday of the coming week, and available with Tiger in time for the worldwide launch of Tiger on the 29th. Just my 2¢ and gut feeling.

[cosmoed]

I vote yes.

but that is strictly because I want yes, and I am trying to think positive.

It is however 420, apple could be releasing some sort of bong. I think an apples-esque bong would look terrific and I don't even smoke the bloody plant.

[SweetFeet]

I vote NO for tonight.

It'll be on Tuesday of next week, available on the 29th.

[OziMac]

Interesting to note that the stock G5's at store.apple.com have immediate availability, but any changes at all result in a 7- 10 day delay. Last week, you could add memory or a drive and it would only change it to a 1 - 3 day delay. This could be a simple change in inventory levels, or it could signal something new coming down the pipeline in the next day or two.

I'm not sure about the event tonight, but I vote YES to new G5's announced in the next 48 hours, with availability April 29 (since they will ship with Tiger preinstalled).

No other machines appear to have such a long shipping delay when changes are made to the stock configuration.

Interesting pickup - in the same vein, but more telling, is the fact that build times for stock models of Powermacs on the Australian store have gone from all being 1-2 days to 3-5 days for all the duals. Sounds promising :)

[fpnc]

Quite obviously, there will be no Power Mac update tonight. Earliest possible changes will be next Tuesday (as nearly always).

[Jeegan]

I think the main reason with Apple seeming to not be too concerned about their small speed increases is due to the performance of their machines. At least, by their own tests that is. As seen at their own site under the power mac section, the plain ole 1.8 GHz machine is faster with Photoshop CS than a dual 3.2 GHz Xeon. And the supposed soon to be low end dual 2.0 GHz machine than any of the x86 machines that they show on their tests. So it just seems since their machines can outperform the x86 upper end group at a lower speed, then they probably aren't going to try and rush anything out just to get to it first. But that is just the way it looks to me.

[F/reW/re]

I think the main reason with Apple seeming to not be too concerned about their small speed increases is due to the performance of their machines. At least, by their own tests that is. As seen at their own site under the power mac section, the plain ole 1.8 GHz machine is faster with Photoshop CS than a dual 3.2 GHz Xeon. And the supposed soon to be low end dual 2.0 GHz machine than any of the x86 machines that they show on their tests. So it just seems since their machines can outperform the x86 upper end group at a lower speed, then they probably aren't going to try and rush anything out just to get to it first. But that is just the way it looks to me.
I would never belive Apple's speedinfo!
I ran a test in Photoshop CS:
Panther, Dual G5, 2,5 GHz, 2,5 GB RAM. $3000
XP SP2, Pentium 4, 3GHz, 1 GB RAM. $600

Tested on a 1024x1000 pxl psd file containg something like 100 layers. Made an action doing the stuff I use PS for the most, flip horisontal, rotate, scale, crop, blur etc.
The G5 was faster than the P4, but not with much of a margin! And when you look at the price it's plain STUPID!

Compiling flashfiles the P4 crushed the G5!!

[daveL]

I would never belive Apple's speedinfo!
I ran a test in Photoshop CS:
Panther, Dual G5, 2,5 GHz, 2,5 GB RAM. $3000
XP SP2, Pentium 4, 3GHz, 1 GB RAM. $600

Tested on a 1024x1000 pxl psd file containg something like 100 layers. Made an action doing the stuff I use PS for the most, flip horisontal, rotate, scale, crop, blur etc.
The G5 was faster than the P4, but not with much of a margin! And when you look at the price it's plain STUPID!

Compiling flashfiles the P4 crushed the G5!!
Did you use the Photoshop G5 plugin? Also, the G5 would be a bit cheaper with the same memory config as the P4. Anyway, a lot of folks here aren't interested in running Windows, for some strange reason, and I'm one of them.

[FlyNolJ]

I vote yes.

but that is strictly because I want yes, and I am trying to think positive.

It is however 420, apple could be releasing some sort of bong. I think an apples-esque bong would look terrific and I don't even smoke the bloody plant.


Brilliant! Brushed Aluminum bong with green Apple emblem. Count me in on one.


Off to other news? I don't understand why no one responds to why Apple dropped the ATI 9800XT? Someone?? Anyone???? Ehhh...

[MacSA]

I wonder if Apples plummeting share price has had any influence on the announcement of new hardware?....................

[daveL]

I wonder if Apples plummeting share price has had any influence on the announcement of new hardware?....................
Given the short term nature of stock price movement, and the long term nature of product development and marketing, I think not.

[SaleenS351]

if there isn't an announcment tonight, does that mean we have to wait till June?

[Cooknn]

Did you use the Photoshop G5 plugin? Also, the G5 would be a bit cheaper with the same memory config as the P4. Anyway, a lot of folks here aren't interested in running Windows, for some strange reason, and I'm one of them.Dave what plugin is that? I use Photoshop CS almost daily on my G5...

[wrldwzrd89]

<snip>
Off to other news? I don't understand why no one responds to why Apple dropped the ATI 9800XT? Someone?? Anyone???? Ehhh...
You tempted me.

I can think of two reasons why Apple would remove the ATI 9800XT from their list of options:

1. ATI is having unexpected problems making enough of these cards for everyone. If this was true, this card would be in short supply everywhere.

2. If no evidence supports hypothesis #1, then I suspect that Apple is rearranging their supply chain internally in preparation for hardware updates. By this, I mean that one or more upcoming Macs from Apple will come with an ATI 9800XT, and these new Macs are due within 1 month of the date the ATI 9800XT was dropped.

[Rod Rod]

What on earth are people doing that requires anything faster than a dual 2.5 workstation anyway?
The people who want something faster than a dual 2.5 are doing more than you are. I work with high definition video and I'd rather have final renders that are faster than 20 hours.

I more thing.. I forget to all tell you ! why today isn't a bad day foor Apple to announce some new Powermacs: It's the dutch Apple expo ! (http://www.macexpo-nl.org/) SO why not today!
Well you were talking about April 19, which is a bad day for just about anything given how infamous an anniversary date it is.

Give me the best PowerMac on the Market and the games that FULLY take advantage of the Architecture, and I'll never have a date for the rest of my life. Oh crap, the NEW XBOX (I'm going to die alone:))
I can't believe everyone resisted smartaleck responses. It's just so tempting.

Wild speculations to follow:

How about this: Apple seems to be getting into the xGrid/Applications with distributed rendering big time. Perhaps they could relase something like G5-nodes. No Graphic-Card, no (or minimal HD), no drives, just another CPU to help the work. This way the people with these particular computing needs could put their own grids together to do the heavy work?
It sounds like you're pitching the concept an Xserve Cluster Node. Lucky for you, Apple was listening and you can order as many as you need today.

LMAO

man, i really wanna know what jobs you guys do, that requires a dual core 3ghz powermac with blu-ray
It's not that funny to have 20 hour renders of HD material. H.264 encoding will be no joke either.

Amazing how some of you accede to what Steve Jobs thinks is the appropriate hardware to run your favorite OS, let alone pay the crazy premium prices on his products which in turn drives his stock price crazy and makes him a very wealthy man. Heaven forbid we get freedom to choose hardware of our choice to run such a great operating system.
If "freedom" means having to keep track of millions of combinations of hardware and software, well you can have your freedom, while the rest of us "accede" to our OS X and Mac shackles. Your attempt at personalizing the issue is weak.

So, in other words OS X isn't great alone, you have to take the hardware included? And if our buddy Steve let's us pick and choose our hardware configurations we've turned OS X upside down?? Maybe in the old days when Macs were the most esoteric and complex systems designed on the market could you make the case about integrating the hardware and software closely. But that ain't the case today. Most of the hardware used in today's systems are similar if not identical to what we see on PCs. And we're not simply stuck to using the "proprietary" hardware, nor are we risking any qualities from OS X if we use different hardware. We see examples of how iDVD is compatible with aftermarket DVD burners like the ones from Lacie. After a few updates with iTunes I was able to recognize my external CD burner when I wanted to create music CDs. You're way off the wall on your statement.
Yes, you have to take the hardware as integral to the OS X experience.

Anyway it's great comedy how you confuse DVD and CD burners with hardware integral to the OS. OS X is designed to run on certain processors, and it leverages the advantages of the processors. You might have heard of CherryOS or PearPC and how horribly slow OS X runs with those on x86 hardware. The reason is the second sentence of this paragraph.

[daveL]

Dave what plugin is that? I use Photoshop CS almost daily on my G5...
When the G5 was first announced at WWDC, they did all these on stage demos of various apps and showed a bunch of benchmark results. The Photoshop demo/benchmark used an optimized G5 plugin for PS. Look here:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=2595

It's for PS 7; I don't know how that relates to PS CS. I think the latest PS recently went to 8.0, no? Anyway, for what it worth, I hope this helps.

[cosmoed]

I am getting feedback from friends and other posters that if we don't get updates tonight, the next possible date will be tuesday.

Forgive me its 420 (I lied :) ) but whats happening tuesday? Besides great television. Oh that makes me sad about Arrested Development.

[fpnc]

...I don't understand why no one responds to why Apple dropped the ATI 9800XT? Someone?? Anyone???? Ehhh...
Probably because Apple is going to switch to the ATI Radeon X850 XT. They already mention that card under the "Learn More..." link on the graphics options for the Power Mac (on the Apple Store).

The note (on the Apple Store) just says:


The Radeon X850 XT features support for one 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Display.
And in case you're wondering, the X850 comes in an AGP version. In fact, ATI has already shipped a Mac version of the X800, so the X850 shouldn't be too far behind.

[wdlove]

Guys (and girls) can't we start a poll who expects an update tonight?
what everybody thinks? so start voting:

Will there be a hardware update during the special Apple event tonight?


- YES!....... ;)

- No......... ;(


My vote: YES!

I give it a 50 - 50 chance. Only Steve knows the answer, it will be on his timing. The longer we go, the more likely that we are looking at WWDC.

[FlyNolJ]

Probably because Apple is going to switch to the ATI Radeon X850 XT. They already mention that card under the "Learn More..." link on the graphics options for the Power Mac (on the Apple Store).

The note (on the Apple Store) just says:


And in case you're wondering, the X850 comes in an AGP version. In fact, ATI has already shipped a Mac version of the X800, so the X850 shouldn't be too far behind.


What price is this card going to debut at>>>>?? 300-500??? Thank you for the update. :D

[FlyNolJ]

You tempted me.

I can think of two reasons why Apple would remove the ATI 9800XT from their list of options:

1. ATI is having unexpected problems making enough of these cards for everyone. If this was true, this card would be in short supply everywhere.

2. If no evidence supports hypothesis #1, then I suspect that Apple is rearranging their supply chain internally in preparation for hardware updates. By this, I mean that one or more upcoming Macs from Apple will come with an ATI 9800XT, and these new Macs are due within 1 month of the date the ATI 9800XT was dropped.


Someone backs me up, it's gotta be the truth. New PowerMacs won't receive the unknown 9650, they'll start with the 9800XT. (my personal opinion.) :)

[Hiroshige]

Oh, well. I still think they will update the line soon, and then at WWDC Steve will introduce the Quad ProMac or something.

[Cooknn]

Oh, well. I still think they will update the line soon, and then at WWDC Steve will introduce the Quad ProMac or something.If I'm right select members of the video and film developer community are looking at one running Tiger and FCP5 right now at the Las Vegas Convention Center :eek:

[FlyNolJ]

Oh, well. I still think they will update the line soon, and then at WWDC Steve will introduce the Quad ProMac or something.

I agree. What sucks is I don't want to put the money out for a Quad ProMac. =(.

[FlyNolJ]

If I'm right select members of the video and film developer community are looking at one running Tiger and FCP5 right now at the Las Vegas Convention Center :eek:


What's FCP5??? :confused:

[Lacero]

Final Cut Pro 5. I already said it.

Edit: NM, wrong thread.

[fpnc]

AppleInsider (AI) must have read my previous post, because now they are reporting that sources have told them that Mac updates will arrive on next Tuesday.

According to some shipping and inventory trends, they expect updates to the iBook, eMac, iMac, and Power Mac. However, AI doesn't know how soon all of these updates will appear, they just expect them to start next Tuesday.

[SULLY23]

Apple Insider also says that plant in China is test running the production of a new PM --- does this mean what i think?? is AI any good??---
I have been reading this Forum for years and this is my first post -- treat me gently

[zakatov]

There's always Next Tuesday©

[cosmoed]

When you say next tuesday you mean the 26. I don't want to get lost in semantics. I am waiting patiently for my iMac 2.0 20" g5. Hopefully with 512 ram and an upped graphics card.

[ALoveSupreme]

The shipping dates for Poweer Macs have changed to one week in all a lot of the european stores.. :D Looks like we'll see updates soon.

Edit: And only for the dual G5s, the single 1.8 still has 24 hours shipping.

[le_coc]

The shipping dates for Poweer Macs have changed to one week in all a lot of the european stores.. :D Looks like we'll see updates soon.

Edit: And only for the dual G5s, the single 1.8 still has 24 hours shipping.

Same for the dutch store! nothing happend last night; so most likely it will happpen on next tuesday

[FlyNolJ]

Apple Insider also says that plant in China is test running the production of a new PM --- does this mean what i think?? is AI any good??---
I have been reading this Forum for years and this is my first post -- treat me gently


What does "I think" mean? Dual-core?? Ehh... AI any good? I'm new as well, so we can be new as well. So to answer your question, I don't know. I just felt bad that no one was answering. =)

[Platform]

You tempted me.

I can think of two reasons why Apple would remove the ATI 9800XT from their list of options:

1. ATI is having unexpected problems making enough of these cards for everyone. If this was true, this card would be in short supply everywhere.

2. If no evidence supports hypothesis #1, then I suspect that Apple is rearranging their supply chain internally in preparation for hardware updates. By this, I mean that one or more upcoming Macs from Apple will come with an ATI 9800XT, and these new Macs are due within 1 month of the date the ATI 9800XT was dropped.

Sound credible :rolleyes:

That would be nice if all the PM's came with a 9800XT standard then the rumor is not that bad.....price drops, GPU gone to the sky in standard config, speed bumb ;)

[FlyNolJ]

Sound credible :rolleyes:

That would be nice if all the PM's came with a 9800XT standard then the rumor is not that bad.....price drops, GPU gone to the sky in standard config, speed bumb ;)

Price drop, 9800XT, more memory, Dual-layer burners???, BT 2, speed bump, another price drop. Actually the more I think about it the more it makes sense.
Then I think back to June, and I think wait a minute, it's almost June. Insignificant revision. I'm still getting one. Can we expect a multi-button mouse?<----Awesome.

When are they going to come out with more monitor options though????
I remember when Apple did away with the floppy drive, everyone thought it was nuckin' futs. Turned out it was a great move. To me, the monitor situation does play out the floppy disk thing though. There are no options under 1000 dollars, but there is a 500 dollar mac mini?? When are they going to start offering Apple branded CRT's along with 15" and 17" LCD's??? The market isn't ready to ***** a grand for a monitor when they just spent 600 on the computer. :mad:

[le_coc]

I agree a 17" monitor would be a great thing to do ! I think there's a huge market for it! Consider buying a mac mini together with a 17" for under $ 999 is still a great offer in my opion!

EN about the PM increase Hrz + better video cards + more memory + price drop + 2 button mouse (?) = a good change don't you think?

[840quadra]

I agree a 17" monitor would be a great thing to do ! I think there's a huge market for it! Consider buying a mac mini together with a 17" for under $ 999 is still a great offer in my opion!

EN about the PM increase Hrz + better video cards + more memory + price drop + 2 button mouse (?) = a good change don't you think?

When I was at Best Buy buying my Samsung 17" LCD for my new Powermac I spotted a Mac Mini / 17" LCD monitor combo for $750 (or more?)

The Apple Store needs to start selling Apple branded Samsung, or whatever monitors.. Once they do my 17" will be for sale :)

[Platform]

Price drop, 9800XT, more memory, Dual-layer burners???, BT 2, speed bump, another price drop. Actually the more I think about it the more it makes sense.
Then I think back to June, and I think wait a minute, it's almost June. Insignificant revision. I'm still getting one. Can we expect a multi-button mouse?<----Awesome.

When are they going to come out with more monitor options though????
I remember when Apple did away with the floppy drive, everyone thought it was nuckin' futs. Turned out it was a great move. To me, the monitor situation does play out the floppy disk thing though. There are no options under 1000 dollars, but there is a 500 dollar mac mini?? When are they going to start offering Apple branded CRT's along with 15" and 17" LCD's??? The market isn't ready to ***** a grand for a monitor when they just spent 600 on the computer. :mad:

Why would apple go back to the time of OS X 10.0.......I hope CRT's are gone, no use in going back in technology, but a 17" LCD wouldn't hurt ;)

[madoka]

Oh, well. I still think they will update the line soon, and then at WWDC Steve will introduce the Quad ProMac or something.

Brillant! Update the line now, then update again a month later! Make all the losers who buy now cry in their beer. Everyone will love Apple for releasing machines so fast! :rolleyes:

[madoka]

You tempted me.

I can think of two reasons why Apple would remove the ATI 9800XT from their list of options:

1. ATI is having unexpected problems making enough of these cards for everyone. If this was true, this card would be in short supply everywhere.

2. If no evidence supports hypothesis #1, then I suspect that Apple is rearranging their supply chain internally in preparation for hardware updates. By this, I mean that one or more upcoming Macs from Apple will come with an ATI 9800XT, and these new Macs are due within 1 month of the date the ATI 9800XT was dropped.

Think harder and you might come up with option #3:

The 9800XT is an outdated card that gets spanked by newer, cheaper cards like the 800XL. Nobody is buying them and ATI may not even be producing them any more.

Wait, that sounds like just the kind of card Apple would put in their high end machines! :(

[pgre]

Any news on this special event.. it was yesterday wasn't it ?

[le_coc]

Me to I am curious what happend last night? Or was it just DEMO time...?
Anyone knows more?

[le_coc]

ps guys Apple changed the front page... the now have two screens both about Tiger but 1 with 6 new features and one with the two new featers.

[Cooknn]

I just registered!

Guess I'll be winging my way into McCarran on the way to the LVCC...dicklacara WAKE UP :D Can you tell us what Apple showed you last night?

[840quadra]

something tells me WWDC is the place to be in June.

I have hopes that Apple is waiting to post any large changes until June. The Leak of information on the dual core 970 chip looked to have been hinting that production has started, and they are starting to let developers know how to work with internal features.

I also agree with a previous post and wouldn't be completely surprised if the Dual core processors only go in the Xserve line at first, and slowly end up in the Powermac lineup.

840
just speculating

[dicklacara]

dicklacara WAKE UP :D Can you tell us what Apple showed you last night?
Sorry... didn't go... last minute conflict in schedule!

But, it was under NDA, anyway!

[calyxman]

If "freedom" means having to keep track of millions of combinations of hardware and software, well you can have your freedom, while the rest of us "accede" to our OS X and Mac shackles. Your attempt at personalizing the issue is weak.

Millions? You're exaggerating way too much. I think this is a weak argument from you Mac people but that's all you have to cling to; all you do is denigrate the ability to for consumers to customize their own machines to their liking--and not everybody does it, just the hobbyists and techno geeks. It's as if all your powermacs and iMacs were baptized in a holy pond behind Steve's house.


Yes, you have to take the hardware as integral to the OS X experience.

Anyway it's great comedy how you confuse DVD and CD burners with hardware integral to the OS. OS X is designed to run on certain processors, and it leverages the advantages of the processors. You might have heard of CherryOS or PearPC and how horribly slow OS X runs with those on x86 hardware. The reason is the second sentence of this paragraph.

Alright so let's once again take a look at what you and the poster are saying: that OS X is great because it works intimately with its processor. Fair enough, then by that definition I guess Windows is great because it works best on the x86 platform.

I mean you just prove why OS X is not a mainstream OS, why Apple has 3% market share, and why Apple will always be a minority niche player. But that's ok, it makes you feel better and every other tom and joe who uses a Windows machine is just a dolt who is too cheap to buy a glorified cheese grader called a PowerMac. In fact stop telling people to switch, you might turn your Mac OS into another "Windoze."

[HelloKitty]

Brillant! Update the line now, then update again a month later! Make all the losers who buy now cry in their beer. Everyone will love Apple for releasing machines so fast! :rolleyes:

I agree with you. I don't think Apple will do that. Now that Intel and AMD both had introduced dual core processor machines, Apple shouldn't be too far away. Let's hope that the coming update is better than what TS predicted.

[illustratorDavi]

Hi

I've just noticed that the applestore UK shipping times for the powermac have changed from 24hour to 7 days. But strangely not the single processor 1.8ghz

Applestore PowerMac (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/90501/wo/qU6uY8KZzynN2hoIwF42FggJVY3/0.0.11.1.0.6.23.1.2.1.3.0.0.1.0)

I'm thinking -- Tuesday release but a disappointing one (just in case steve is reading!!!)

David

[danm]

Hi

I've just noticed that the applestore UK shipping times for the powermac have changed from 24hour to 7 days. But strangely not the single processor 1.8ghz

Applestore PowerMac (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore.woa/90501/wo/qU6uY8KZzynN2hoIwF42FggJVY3/0.0.11.1.0.6.23.1.2.1.3.0.0.1.0)

I'm thinking -- Tuesday release but a disappointing one (just in case steve is reading!!!)

David

More than likely the single is going to be dropped in the next revision, hence no shipping delay on current ones.

[unknownfairy]

Wake up america...
All this talk about the special NAB event and then nothing?
... Oh, I get it, you're under NDA. Ok, I'll just guess and you don't have to say anything, just nod your head ok?... you ready? New hardware upgrades?
.......
Was that a nod?

[pgre]

Wake up america...
All this talk about the special NAB event and then nothing?
... Oh, I get it, you're under NDA. Ok, I'll just guess and you don't have to say anything, just nod your head ok?... you ready? New hardware upgrades?
.......
Was that a nod?

I thought that NDA's meant nothing here anyway.. ?
But we won't tell anyone who you are honest...

[Evangelion]

Anyway it's great comedy how you confuse DVD and CD burners with hardware integral to the OS. OS X is designed to run on certain processors, and it leverages the advantages of the processors. You might have heard of CherryOS or PearPC and how horribly slow OS X runs with those on x86 hardware. The reason is the second sentence of this paragraph.

The reason why it runs so slow on x86 is because it's designed to leverage certain features on PPC? Uh, sorry. The reason why it runs so slow is because PearPC and the like EMULATE PPC on x86-hardware. And such emulation is always slow. Even if OS X was DOS-like OS, it would still run it relatively slow. And the reason is not that x86 is crappy whereas PPC is good, it's because emulating hardware on software is slow.

[SweetFeet]

I've only been looking into this rumor stuff for the last two months, waiting for the new PMs to be updated. From what I understand, ThinkSecret is not on par with their rumors. Dates, specs, etc, have all been a little off lately. So I venture to say that Apple WILL NOT be updating the PM according to the latest rumored specs by ThinkSecret.

In any case, I have work to do, and I'm not above going out to get a Winblows machine. I just cannot justify buying a current PM, knowing that new ones will come out the tomorrow, or the next day, week, month, whatever. But, I can't afford to stop working, either.

APPLE: If you can't get me an updated PM by the 29th, I will be making my order to HP.

[AidenShaw]

From what I understand, ThinkSecret is not on par with their rumors. Dates, specs, etc, have all been a little off lately. So I venture to say that Apple WILL NOT be updating the PM according to the latest rumored specs by ThinkSecret.

I think that "a little off" is a pretty good record.

TS has come pretty close on specs most of the time, and close on the dates.

If the TS updates come as described, but in mid-May - is that a hit or a miss? I'd call it a "hit"....

[wrldwzrd89]

Think harder and you might come up with option #3:

The 9800XT is an outdated card that gets spanked by newer, cheaper cards like the 800XL. Nobody is buying them and ATI may not even be producing them any more.

Wait, that sounds like just the kind of card Apple would put in their high end machines! :(
I think the mid-range PowerMac or even the low-end will be getting the 9800XT standard. nVidia's GeForce 6800 DDL, ATI's X800XT, and ATI's X850XT will be upgrade options.

This makes room for the iMac to finally leave the nVidia GeForce 5200FX behind and get something better, and therefore the eMac and Mac mini can get the GeForce 5200FX.

[BarfBag]

Dual core sounds awesome. Too bad I can't afford a PowerMac. :p

[Mac-Xpert]

The 9800XT is an outdated card that gets spanked by newer, cheaper cards like the 800XL. Nobody is buying them and ATI may not even be producing them any moreNot according to This (http://apps.ati.com/ir/PressReleaseText.asp?compid=105421&releaseID=695420) ATI press release.

P.S. If even the Russians manage to put a 9800 SE in their computers standard, then its really about time apple starts to ship its high-end desktops with at least the same. :rolleyes:

[pgre]

I think that "a little off" is a pretty good record.

TS has come pretty close on specs most of the time, and close on the dates.

If the TS updates come as described, but in mid-May - is that a hit or a miss? I'd call it a "hit"....

Well put it this way TS said it would be in the next two weeks.. so if its not here by end of April then I do think this hits their credibility..

As has been mentioned on these forums this could all be a ploy to expose the moles...

Other than that.. its delayed my order for a new PowerMac.. so it shows you that romours like this (right or wrong) do have some power of persuation.. or at least have made me try and be a little bit more patient just in case a new spec is around the corner.

[wdlove]

Well put it this way TS said it would be in the next two weeks.. so if its not here by end of April then I do think this hits their credibility..

As has been mentioned on these forums this could all be a ploy to expose the moles...

Other than that.. its delayed my order for a new PowerMac.. so it shows you that romours like this (right or wrong) do have some power of persuation.. or at least have made me try and be a little bit more patient just in case a new spec is around the corner.

Patience is very important when your a Mac fan. Think has to be very careful now because of the lawsuit. Being 100% correct is what got them into trouble.

[SweetFeet]

Patience is very important when your a Mac fan.

I'm not particularly a Mac fan - It's either Mac or Windows, and in video production, Mac is the lesser of two evils.

Patience shouldn't be a virtue of ANY customer - I can't teach my clients patience! I guess it would be a lot easier to NOT anticipate the update if I weren't on macrumors.com 2-3 hours a day.

[pgre]

Patience is very important when your a Mac fan. Think has to be very careful now because of the lawsuit. Being 100% correct is what got them into trouble.

I see what you mean.. and I guess thats why these rumor sites thrive.. because many people want to believe...

But if they do have sources close/in Apple (which I am sure they do) then you would sort of expect these things to be True. Otherwise if they are artificially reducing the acuracy of their reports.. well it doesn't seem to make much sense.

Since otherwise I'm sure many people could come up with various speculation... which may be true at somepoint, rather than a rumor. (If you see what I mean in terms of differentiation)

I had sort of assumed that TS's reputation had been built on the accuracy of its reports.. but I am still farily new to the Mac world.. so maybe I should just read all this as speculation rather than a more "hopeful" (and potentially heart breaking - if you took it to seriously) rumor.

[crpchristian]

I think patience on the part of the customer/client should be a virtue, however, no more or less than speed, quality, and honesty should be on the part of the company. If a company is just not talented at what it does then you shouldn't go with them, if they are and slow and bad with their work flow..its your call.. if they're talented and hard working then...a customer should just be realistic. (a dishonest company though..thats another issue)

I think people are mostly pissed at apple becuase of its 'secrecy'. If apple said they were going with dual core/cel/PCIe 1gbramstandard x800s across the board but wouldn't ship til september people would be whining im sure but wouldn't mind too much becuase the KNOW whats coming is good.

I, however, am not sure how i feel about apples privacy practices. I respect their decision but i sort of hate that they are like that at the same time. I feel, doing high end media, that the mac experience is a better one than on the wintel side. Its not perfect but its the best option so i take the good with the bad. They'll never make a perfect computer.

[Rustus Maximus]

Microsoft's days are numbered

Amen brother...the end is nigh...at least the beginning of it. The Empire is beginning to crumble.

.Listen, I love Apple like the next guy, but Microsoft ain't dead! Apart from them being able to buy Apple tomorrow before Steve has breakfast if they REALLY wanted to, Microsoft is IBM now - they are big, they are everywhere and they are here to stay. Let's face it, Apple has less than 4% marketshare. We NEED Microsoft.

Mister Softie knows that they can't rely completely on MS word for revenue and they are PREPARED to BUY their way into any business or model that appears.

Another point for those that think Microsoft is dying and Apple is going to beat them.
Microsoft's Earnings are 10.6 Billion
Apple's Earnings are 730 Million

Quite a difference

That's why people wear tin-foiled hats when reading anything Apple. Gotta deflect that RDF.

We like our foil hats...they're stylish and go well with the brushed metal look in our super cool OS. They're better than the mind control fish buckets the servants of the Empire wear with the constant mantra of "no one can defeat Microsoft...ohmmmmm...no one can defeat Microsoft...ohmmm..." droning over the included earphones.

What a bunch of "We can'ts" you guys are...

Good thing other folks in history didn't think the way you do...

"Ohhhh...we can't make a fire! What do you think we are? Gods or something?

Oh...we'll never defeat those tyrannical British. After all look at those spiffy bright red coats!!

Fly? FLYYY??? Are you doing the opium again freak?

Who the hell will ever be able to sell a car against Henry Ford?"

Don't know what you're smoking, but MS ANNUAL revenue for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2004 was US$ 36.8B. Furthermore, while still very high, MS profit has declined for the last 3 years.

Hey you!! Put that helmet back on and shush it! Don't you have your earphones on??

What object-x, Neo or whatever is saying...It doesn't matter what 98% of the installed base is using (will buy next). There is a new market coming... one that will create new users/buyers...

MS has the monopoly on the railoads...fine!... but the railroads won't get you or me where we want to go!

Someone(s) gonna' be left behind!

Ditto for you smart guy!! :D

Maybe in the "Bizzaro Word". It is very very hard to take a monopoly down. Especially when the government has decided to leave them alone.

It's called the free market system. The monopoly will take itself down. What is it with you freaks that expect the government to do everything for you? Oh wait...you're the same helmet wearing crowd I just mentioned. Only the mantra is different..."big brother will serve all of our needs...ohmmmmm...big brother will serve all of our needs...ohmmm..."

[Sunrunner]

I think that "a little off" is a pretty good record.

TS has come pretty close on specs most of the time, and close on the dates.

If the TS updates come as described, but in mid-May - is that a hit or a miss? I'd call it a "hit"....


Postulation: Apple cancel the mid-term upgrade before 970MP just to give the finger to TS and all the disappointed Forum dwellers? :eek:


hmmmmmmmmmm..........

[crpchristian]

If Major upgrades are coming by WWDC, nothing will come between now and then. 10-11 month product cycle down to a 45 day product cycle....i don't see that happening.

Hah, and apple adjusting their product distribution just to spite TS..hahahahhaha...oh..thatts cute. :p

[le_coc]

Come on people you don't think honestly that Apple is wathcing Thinksecret and adjust their release date of products?? I don't think so!

Apple just has troubles to relase real quicker macs.

That's the problem!

[OnaMacSince1989]

I'm not a high-end user with tons of extra cash lying around, but it sounds like many of you guys are... If ThinkSecret's rumored PM specs are correct, I would expect that the updated single-core machines would come with significant price drops. If the lowest model is a dual-processer 2Mhz system for $1500, that'd be killer! :eek:

There's no reason that one or two dual-core top-end machine(s) couldn't be introduced in a couple of months and added to the existing PM line when production is ready. It will take some time for these pricey new chips to filter down to the rest of the line anyway - whether there from IBM, Intel, or AMD. From what I've read, the new dual-core chips from Intel and AMD that were introduced this week will only be found in machines with staring costs at $2500 and up at this time. :rolleyes:

[SweetFeet]

If Major upgrades are coming by WWDC, nothing will come between now and then. 10-11 month product cycle down to a 45 day product cycle....i don't see that happening.

If there is no update until WWDC, then we aren't talking about a 10 month cycle - it's more like 18 months by the time they start shipping them. Say Apple announces a minor update on Tuesday, available on the 29th. Then at WWDC a big announcement comes - 3ghz or 970MP. Those machines will be announced, but not available until Q3 or Q4. Even if Apple did announce a big update like dual core, you gotta expect it's not going to be available until fall at best. That means there's plenty of time (6 months plus) that people like me could use an 'updated' machine, hopefully at a lower price.

If a big announcement like 3ghz or dual core is coming, I agree...it's not going to come until WWDC. But, with all the rumors, the changes in shipping dates and BTO on the Apple Store's website, something is up. And the faster Apple clues us in, the better chance I'm not going to jump ship and get a PC.

[AidenShaw]

It will take some time for these pricey new chips to filter down to the rest of the line anyway - whether there from IBM, Intel, or AMD. From what I've read, the new dual-core chips from Intel and AMD that were introduced this week will only be found in machines with staring costs at $2500 and up at this time. :rolleyes:

The AMD dual-core chip coming out shortly is an Opteron for servers, and will be about $1500 to $2700 per chip! (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=22646)

The Pentium 840 Extreme Edition dual-core announced this week is rumoured to cost about $1000 per chip.

In May, Intel will be introducing a second dual-core chip that should be as low as $241 - this puts a dual-core 2.8 GHz at about the same price as a single-core 3.2 GHz. (http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050405/pentium_d-05.html)

It is known that Intel has more than 10 different multi-core projects - the one released this week is only the first to market. You can be sure that better designs are coming. The comments that "Intel's dual-core sucks because..." won't apply to the later designs.

[Mav451]

Dang...looks like I'm sticking to my XP for a bit longer (lol).

*edit*
Actually its not so bad for dual-core that is desktop (non-server):

Model Frequency L2 Cache Pricing
4800+ 2.4GHz 1MB + 1MB $1001
4600+ 2.4GHz 512KB + 512KB $803
4400+ 2.2GHz 1MB + 1MB $581
4200+ 2.2GHz 512KB + 512KB $537


Athlon 64 X2 chips will plug into existing 939-pin sockets, although compatibility will likely be limited to motherboards that currently support AMD's 90-nano Athlon 64 processors. The chips won't be available for a while yet, though. AMD is currently sampling X2 chips to OEMs and will formally launch the processor in June.


Looks like dual 2.2Ghz will be the "mainstream" chip in the next 6 months. And for the price of a single FX-55 (unlocked multiplier and all), you can get dual 2.4Ghz...uh this is looking like a no brainer (if you were deciding between the two). Plugging into existing 939 boards? Talk about a seamless transition

[FlyNolJ]

I agree a 17" monitor would be a great thing to do ! I think there's a huge market for it! Consider buying a mac mini together with a 17" for under $ 999 is still a great offer in my opion!

EN about the PM increase Hrz + better video cards + more memory + price drop + 2 button mouse (?) = a good change don't you think?

All that combined with a significant price drop would be superb. =) Some of the people on this thread have pointed to not dropping the price at all and would still be competitive. If we know Apple, then of course there aren't going to be any price drops. With optimism I say, if we know Apple lately, we can see a price drop. =)

D*mnit, how do I respond to multple quotes? Anyways, someone else said soething about CRT's. I agree that they are dinosaur. But even offering a low-level mitsubishi tube with the Apple brand and fashion could be done fairly cheap- and I still think that there would be a big market in it, especially with the recent target of the low consumers who buy a Mac mini. A 15" or 17" LCD would be perfect.

[calyxman]

Regarding pricing and availability of the DC Athlons, I point you to the following excerpt from AnandTech (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2397):

Although this may seem like a tangent to the topic at hand, manufacturing has a lot to do with today's announcements from AMD. What exactly is being announced? Well, for starters, AMD is announcing their first dual core Opteron parts. The word "announcing" in this sense means that they are declaring availability of their 800 series dual core Opteron CPUs, and promising that 200 and 100 series dual core Opteron CPUs will be made available starting next month. Before we move on to the rest of the announcement, pay very close attention to the parts for which AMD is announcing availability - the 800 series parts. The Opteron 800 series CPUs are for use in 4 or more socket servers and are AMD's most expensive CPUs, and thus, their lowest volume CPUs. Remember that at 90nm, AMD can produce around half as many dual core CPUs as they can single core CPUs per wafer - so they need to be very careful about demand. You will notice later on in this article that AMD's strategy involves keeping prices higher and introducing lower quantity CPUs first, in order to ensure that their single core CPUs still have a market and that they aren't committing to more than what they can deliver. At the end of the day, AMD is still a much smaller manufacturer than Intel and thus, they have to play their cards very differently, which leads us to the second part of AMD's announcement today: the new dual core desktop Athlon 64 X2 line.

[Mav451]

calyxman: Of course you had to pick the most depressing quote out of that whole review -_-.

But yeah, availability is mostly for the high-end, with no "magic bullet" (e.g. sub $300 dual-core). Trickle down isn't even a possibility as its a production issue. Bleh.

On the other hand, it seems that the only one who will have dual-cores truly penetrating the market fully will be Intel. High production capacity and the economic stamina to be able to afford selling them for relatively low prices. Ah well.

[calyxman]

Yeah, but I'm still amazed by a company like AMD. Intel has all the wherewithal to roll out their product and absorb production costs, and yet still a smaller company like AMD can keep up and even outpace the chipmaking giant.

Hats off to those guys. They're staying in the race no matter what. :cool:

[Rootman]

Hi

I've just noticed that the applestore UK shipping times for the powermac have changed from 24hour to 7 days. But strangely not the single processor 1.8ghzU.S. store just went 3-5 days on all dual PMacs.

[zakatov]

U.S. store just went 3-5 days on all dual PMacs.

This better mean something

[daveL]

This better mean something
Or what?

[Cooknn]

Or what?Or else :p
I wish I coulda been at the Las Vegas Convention Center last night...

[Evangelion]

Yeah, but I'm still amazed by a company like AMD. Intel has all the wherewithal to roll out their product and absorb production costs, and yet still a smaller company like AMD can keep up and even outpace the chipmaking giant.

Hats off to those guys. They're staying in the race no matter what. :cool:

Reason is pretty simple: AMD set out to create the kick-assest chip possible. They poured some serious engineering in to it, and the end-result was Athlon. And Athlon64/Opteron builds on that foundation. Basically the engineers created a CPU, and gave it to the marketing-folks.

Intel on the other hand set out to create a CPU that would be marketing-departments wet dream. They knew that people thought that "more Mhz, faster CPU". Basically, the marketing-department told the engineers what the CPU must be like. And the engineers did what they were told. End-results is the Pentium4, which runs very hot, but has high clocks.

The approach of the two is almost diametrically opposed. At AMD, it was the engineers who decided what the CPU will be like. At Intel, it was the marketing-department who decided what the CPU will be like. And we all know what the end-results are....

[le_coc]

He guys now the deliver dates have gone up for the US Apple store don't you all agree it will be very likely that Apple will at least update the Powermac Next tuesday ® ??

[Zaty]

He guys now the deliver dates have gone up for the US Apple store don't you all agree it will be very likely that Apple will at least update the Powermac Next tuesday ® ??

I agree new PMs will be released next week. The announcement can happen any day next week though. (Apple has clearly moved away from Tuesdays only product launches recently).

[Rootman]

He guys now the deliver dates have gone up for the US Apple store don't you all agree it will be very likely that Apple will at least update the Powermac Next tuesday ® ??Apple has large existing stocks of PMs, according to the rumor sites, so if they delay ship dates, it might mean something. Seven days ahead from when they changed the Europe stores (to seven days) and five from when they changed the U.S. store (to 3-5) points to early in the week (if not today).

[Mac-Xpert]

Basically, the marketing-department told the engineers what the CPU must be like. And the engineers did what they were told. End-results is the Pentium4, which runs very hot, but has high clocks.
But what happened when they came up with the Pentium-M? Those marketing guys must have been on a lunch-break or something with those clock speeds sub 2Ghz. :rolleyes:

[aussie_geek]

Ladies and gentlemen,

Have your credit cards ready for lethal assault next week. :D

aussie_geek

[G.Kirby]

It is looking like the speed bumps will happen next week, althought I'm not expecting anything major.

Cash at the ready. PMac G5 (which ever one I can afford) :D

Then the Klipsch speakers.

I'll go for the Dual duals after the second update, I don't want any problems like the 10.3.9 update on a hardware purchase.

[BenRoethig]

But what happened when they came up with the Pentium-M? Those marketing guys must have been on a lunch-break or something with those clock speeds sub 2Ghz. :rolleyes:

And a slower bus, yet is significantly faster than the P4 per Megahetz. Anyone at Intel will tell you they shot themselves in the foot with the megahertz myth. A desktop version of the P-M is what they should be running against the A64, but they can't because they wouldn'6 go above 2.6-2.8ghz. So, here they are sitting a better chip that they can only use in notebooks because of their own marketing campaign.

[FFTT]

I agree new PMs will be released next week. The announcement can happen any day next week though. (Apple has clearly moved away from Tuesdays only product launches recently).

Before anyone gets too excited about a few days of shipping delays,
remember that Apple needs to install Tiger on everything.

[G.Kirby]

Before anyone gets too excited about a few days of shipping delays,
remember that Apple needs to install Tiger on everything.

I don't think that is the case if the Mac is already boxed. When I got 40 15" TFT iMac I had to send off for the 10.2 disks which was 'shipping' at that time. I guess it will depend on how long the Mac is sat on the shelf.

[crpchristian]

I don't think that is the case if the Mac is already boxed. When I got 40 15" TFT iMac I had to send off for the 10.2 disks which was 'shipping' at that time. I guess it will depend on how long the Mac is sat on the shelf.

I would imagine it would be more cost effective for apple to just throw a tiger disk in with the delivery than to open PMs up and reinstall the OS (its not the parts that kills ya, its the labor...oh wait...where are these things put together?)...but i don't work in a mac distribution/packing place so i'm just speculating.

Anyone know if its just PMs with the shipping date change or is everything getting longer waits?

[G.Kirby]

I would imagine it would be more cost effective for apple to just throw a tiger disk in with the delivery than to open PMs up and reinstall the OS (its not the parts that kills ya, its the labor...oh wait...where are these things put together?)...but i don't work in a mac distribution/packing place so i'm just speculating.

Anyone know if its just PMs with the shipping date change or is everything getting longer waits?

It's even more cost effective to get the comsumer to pay £10/15 for delivery charge.....for each set of disks!

[Platform]

What if they made an Xserve mini with a single dual core cpu for home use :rolleyes: And decent graphics...........sweet :rolleyes: :D :D yes do it ;)

[Blue Moon]

Not that this says anything, but PowerMacs are now taking 3-5 days to ship.

[LGRW3919]

What if they made an Xserve mini with a single dual core cpu for home use :rolleyes: And decent graphics...........sweet :rolleyes: :D :D yes do it ;)

a newton mini is more likely

[fpnc]

...Anyone know if its just PMs with the shipping date change or is everything getting longer waits?

On the U.S. store it is just the dual Power Macs that have the 3 to 5 business day wait. Only other "delay" is on the 17" PowerBook, but there it is 1 to 2 days and I don't expect an update on the PowerBooks anytime soon.

I think it is almost confirmed (or certain), we'll see updates to the dual Power Macs next Tuesday. Probably with the specs that appeared on Think Secret --

dual 2.0GHz
dual 2.3GHz
dual 2.7GHz

each with upgraded graphics.

In my opinion, a dual 2.3GHz Power Mac G5 priced around $2500 will be able to compete against the early dual-core Pentiums and Athlons. In particular, note that a dual-processor 2.3GHz Power Mac will have to go up against a dual-core 2.2GHz Athlon.

[840quadra]

On the U.S. store it is just the dual Power Macs that have the 3 to 5 business day wait. Only other "delay" is on the 17" PowerBook, but there it is 1 to 2 days and I don't expect an update on the PowerBooks anytime soon.

I think it is almost confirmed (or certain), we'll see updates to the dual Power Macs next Tuesday. Probably with the specs that appeared on Think Secret --

dual 2.0GHz
dual 2.3GHz
dual 2.7GHz

each with upgraded graphics.

In my opinion, a dual 2.3GHz Power Mac G5 priced around $2500 will be able to compete against the early dual-core Pentiums and Athlons. In particular, note that a dual-processor 2.3GHz Power Mac will have to go up against a dual-core 2.2GHz Athlon.

Your last point makes sense to me. I think it would be cool to have Apple be a direct competitor with them initially, and down the road when IBM provides a Dual core processor for Apple, I hope they will be much faster then AMD systems. But who knows.

On an other note.

I still don't understand why a system that would be "phased out" such as the dual 1.8, 2.0 (the new 2.0's are said to support only 4gb of memory), and the 2.5 would have a delay in shipping dates. Wouldn't they want to sell the last remaining before the new model comes out?

I had the understanding that the Powermac supply is higher then demand at this point.

[fpnc]

...On an other note.

I still don't understand why a system that would be "phased out" such as the dual 1.8, 2.0 (the new 2.0's are said to support only 4gb of memory), and the 2.5 would have a delay in shipping dates. Wouldn't they want to sell the last remaining before the new model comes out?

I had the understanding that the Powermac supply is higher then demand at this point.

I think the reasoning is that they put a delay on the current configurations so that anyone who orders one between now and next Tuesday will in fact get the new configuration. If they didn't do that then persons who ordered over the last few days before a product introduction would be upset that they received one of the "old" units when (or even after) the new Macs were already announced and available.

Of course, you can still go into a walk-in store and buy one of the current Power Macs right up to the day they announce the new systems. But, at least in that case you'd physically have the unit before the new systems were actually available. And walk-in stores will continue to sell the older units even after the updates, perhaps at a reduced price.

[propropro]

Now, shipping times for all dual PMs in all european applestores has dropped form 7 days to 5 days

[Rootman]

Now, shipping times for all dual PMs in all european applestores has dropped form 7 days to 5 daysIf U.S. stores drop from 3-5 business days to 1-2 business days, that's it. (But haven't they figured out that we rumormongers all track their shipping times?)

[AidenShaw]

If U.S. stores drop from 3-5 business days to 1-2 business days, that's it. (But haven't they figured out that we rumormongers all track their shipping times?)

Of course, that's why they play with the dates....

Apple also knows that you'll go into an absolute frenzy when an Apple store website goes down for "maintenance" - especially on a Tuesday morning. :eek:

[Platform]

Of course, that's why they play with the dates....

Apple also knows that you'll go into an absolute frenzy when an Apple store website goes down for "maintenance" - especially on a Tuesday morning. :eek:

Yes...apple store down=hell breaks loose at MR :p

[le_coc]

But all now is wait !! It's the huge sillence before the storm! if next tuesday something happens everybody will say: " didn't I say that!! " ;)

But we have to wait... And that's not A nice thing to do!

3 days before Powermac updates; 6 days before Tiger!!

Yeehaw!!!

[aswitcher]

PM shipping still 1-2 days in oz...imacs and emacs are 7-10...

[le_coc]

PM shipping still 1-2 days in oz...imacs and emacs are 7-10...

iMac + eMacs have gone up to 10 days? that's weird! what is it normaly with you guys?

[OziMac]

PM shipping still 1-2 days in oz...imacs and emacs are 7-10...

Are you serious? I don't know where you're looking aswitcher, but from what I still see dual Powermacs are still at 3-5 days (which was a recent increase) and eMacs and iMacs still at 1-2 days...

[scu]

I don't see Apple upgrading the PM for at least two weeks after Tiger has been released. They have too much inventory to introduce a new machine. Two weeks into Tiger sales they may decide to entice hesitant buyers with new Machines to stimulate demand of Tiger.

[wdlove]

We know for sure that the eMac, iMac, & Power Mac are going to be update. It's the timing that's being kept secret. If they don't release on Tuesday, then Apple could be hoping that a 10% discount on Friday will help to decrease inventory.

[aswitcher]

Are you serious? I don't know where you're looking aswitcher, but from what I still see dual Powermacs are still at 3-5 days (which was a recent increase) and eMacs and iMacs still at 1-2 days...


My parents and the in-laws are about to switch so I am looking hard at the low end - mac mini, emac and imac - to see whats going on. I hpe to see price drops due to the high Aussie dollar, and maybe buy EOL machines when the new models appear.

I checked out the Apple Store Oz yesterday and did some configuring and got those time frames. As soon as you add anything to the base models the time blows out from 1-2 days to 7-10 days. Guess this might be an Australian "problem" but it suggests to me that your welcome to buy an EOL model now but if you build any extras the longer than usual 5 days delay means new models... Its only a theory ;)

[LGRW3919]

I don't see Apple upgrading the PM for at least two weeks after Tiger has been released. They have too much inventory to introduce a new machine. Two weeks into Tiger sales they may decide to entice hesitant buyers with new Machines to stimulate demand of Tiger.

this is true but i think a lot of prospective PM buyers are holding out for an update. that's why there is (and will be) a good lot of inventory

[admanimal]

ALL iMacs in the US store have suddenly changed from same day shipping to 5-7 days. Draw your own conclusions...

[NevadaJack]

ALL iMacs in the US store have suddenly changed from same day shipping to 5-7 days. Draw your own conclusions...

You are correct! Tuesday announcement or maybe a Sunday surprise?

One Click at the ready for a 20 incher....
:D

[Rootman]

ALL iMacs in the US store have suddenly changed from same day shipping to 5-7 days. Draw your own conclusions...Before 11 pm EDT (23 h, GMT-4) Saturday night, the U.S. store had all models except the dual Power Macs (and 17" PBook) shipping same business day. By midnight, only eMacs stayed same day. iMacs went from same day to 5-7 as Admanimal noted, and, further, Minis and ALL the lappies went to 1-3 business days.

That means more than just a price cut (which is managed without physical RMA returns). At least a RAM boost by Wednesday. We've passed into the penumbra.

[powerbook911]

Wow. If Mac Mini gets 512 as well, that will be great.

[aswitcher]

No changes in Oz...

[wdlove]

No changes in Oz...

We may know something definitive in a little over thirty six hours. Tuesday could be a memorable day for more that one reason, stay tuned.

[nsc1120]

Wow. If Mac Mini gets 512 as well, that will be great.

yea thats what im hoping for, or maybe a price drop on the imacs :)

[aswitcher]

yea thats what im hoping for, or maybe a price drop on the imacs :)


Well in Aus any upgrade should bring price drops unless the US increases - which I think unlikely.

BT 2.0 all round perhaps

[blitzkrieg79]

Well one more thing i would like to comment on is since Apple released a lot of new/updated audio/video production software at NAB (software that is rather powerful and definately not for average home user) I am hoping that they will also increase the speed of Powermacs at the same pace they increased the speed/functionality of their newly announced programs, otherwise it doesnt make sense, Apple releases superior software to run on an inferior hardware? sounds strange... and also, i am STILL wondering about the appearance of the president of Sony in January and a timely release of Tiger in corelance with release of the CELL technology, I dont think those were coincidents and all that core audio/video offloading the main processor seems as if Apple is getting ready to either tack on a specialized coprocessor or I am missing something

[LGRW3919]

Well one more thing i would like to comment on is since Apple released a lot of new/updated audio/video production software at NAB (software that is rather powerful and definately not for average home user) I am hoping that they will also increase the speed of Powermacs at the same pace they increased the speed/functionality of their newly announced programs, otherwise it doesnt make sense, Apple releases superior software to run on an inferior hardware? sounds strange... and also, i am STILL wondering about the appearance of the president of Sony in January and a timely release of Tiger in corelance with release of the CELL technology, I dont think those were coincidents and all that core audio/video offloading the main processor seems as if Apple is getting ready to either tack on a specialized coprocessor or I am missing something

that's a good connection, but the issue is not quite black and white.

[Music_Producer]

I have been an avid macintosh fan since the last 5 years and still am, but I am absolutely put off with the state of their pro hardware computers like the desktop G5. All I keep hearing about is a new ipod..ipod photo..ipod shuffle, etc.

Sure, this is great for the majority of consumers and its an excellent way of introducing the Apple brand to windows users, and tempt them to 'switch'. However, the majority of Apple users have been pro audio and video studios and individuals and Apple is slacking, pretty bad.

I bought an AMD 64 notebook 2 months ago, installed ProTools on it and it blew my Dual 2ghz G5 away. This notebook has 256 mb ram, while my dual 2ghz g5 has 1.5 gig. I was able to get more tracks recorded and many more plug-ins than on the dual 2ghz G5.

Yes, my apple software is optimized..and I kept thinking "Wow, i thought this pc laptop wouldnt be able to handle 5 tracks even, but it let me record 32 tracks with 5 plugins on each..with a pint sized 256 mb of ram! It didnt even stop once unlike the dual G5 which always has to show some kind of error"

Still surprised, i kept trying to find some fault with this PC laptop..but I couldnt. As soon as I installed kazaa and downloaded something, BAM! The computer started slowing down and I was infested with viruses and spyware.

So I formatted the drive and reinstalled windows xp and pro tools..I don't use kazaa or any file sharing application. Here is what I have learnt:

As long as you don't download files (because they are infested with spyware and other trojans 99% of the time) the pc works great. I wonder how this laptop will perform when i stuff it with 2gb of ram.

So, an amd 64 laptop with 256 mb of ram totally killed the Dual 2ghz G5 with 1.5gb of ram. Its a 15" laptop, with a dvd burner and all the other goodies..picked it up for $1100.

Yes, I still love apple and my dual g5 and my powerbook..but apple should REALLY do something..either the pricing changes or the hardware does. I shouldn't be paying $2000+ for a 15" powerbook g4 that performs like a snail compared to a pc laptop.

I think the best collaboration would be between Apple and AMD. AMD seems to be the power manufacturer out there..imagine a dual core amd 64 opteron running mac os x!!

[cosmoed]

What is the shipping usually for powermacs, imacs etc.?

Same Business Day or Nextday?

[Rocket Rion]

What is the shipping usually for powermacs, imacs etc.?

Same Business Day or Nextday?


Last week it said same business day. Definitely something is happening this week. It will be minor, sorry to say, because this is a quiet release.

[Rootman]

What is the shipping usually for powermacs, imacs etc.?

Same Business Day or Nextday?iMacs were same day until Saturday night. So were iBooks, eMacs, Minis, and Powerbooks (except 17-inch). The dual Power Macs were not same day, but their number of ship days was increased on Friday. Singles PMs are always same day. Everything except eMacs and single PMs have been boosted into Tuesday territory very recently, in other words (except iMacs are into post-Tiger time).

[uncle]

UK Apple Store: "Ready to ship: 5 days"........ signifying?????

Probable update: Current line will ship with Tiger pre-installed.

If we're real lucky the G5 Towers will get a minor speed bump to 2.7 at the top end. (fantasy land: the duals become single chip dual core machines and run slightly cooler hence the speed bump)

At WWDC we may or may not get the dual cores. (fantasy land: low end macs single chip dual 1.8 2.0 2.2. High end dual duals 2.0 2.3 2.7

[crpchristian]

UK Apple Store: "Ready to ship: 5 days"........ signifying?????

Probable update: Current line will ship with Tiger pre-installed.

If we're real lucky the G5 Towers will get a minor speed bump to 2.7 at the top end. (fantasy land: the duals become single chip dual core machines and run slightly cooler hence the speed bump)

At WWDC we may or may not get the dual cores. (fantasy land: low end macs single chip dual 1.8 2.0 2.2. High end dual duals 2.0 2.3 2.7


Okay...does it really make sense for apple to spend money to develop and produce updates that will be around for only a few weeks before a whole new technology replaces it. If speed bumps happen tuesday, i sersiouly dobut wwdc will have something to replace them.

I also dont see a 200mhz being lucky, dual cores are announced from other chip developers so i don't think IBM/apple having them is such a far fetched idea. Personally i hope the next revision is something a bit more special than speed bumps..other wise i'll be torn with buying or waiting but with the recent product cycles it'd be hard to wait when i need a new one.

Its gotta be wwdc or sooner thogh....its gotta be darnit

[uncle]

Okay...does it really make sense for apple to spend money to develop and produce updates that will be around for only a few weeks before a whole new technology replaces it. If speed bumps happen tuesday, i sersiouly dobut wwdc will have something to replace them.

If they announce the current line but with single chip dual cores running tiger and benching well that might go down 'ok', ie apple is up with the others offerings and taking it's own offering to market in a timely fashion.

It would also allow apple to have a chance to field test the dual cores for a short period before they launch the new high end machines at wwdc. Dual duals with, maybe, a new case design?

Like I said fantasy land

:D :D :D

If you push back the single chip dual to wwdc and the high end to france expo then may be.

This means if we get anything on tuesday it will be macs shipping with Tiger pre-installed. If apple pushes the boat out we'll get a 200mhz bump to the single core duals maybe without the liquid cooling ;)

Of course I'd quite like to eat my words but there you go. I live in hope of sitting down to that perticular meal!!!

[Evangelion]

But what happened when they came up with the Pentium-M? Those marketing guys must have been on a lunch-break or something with those clock speeds sub 2Ghz. :rolleyes:

After they saw what a disaster P4 was (yes, it is a disaster), they started to correct their ways. Pentium-M is an indication of that.

[840quadra]

Yes, my apple software is optimized..and I kept thinking "Wow, i thought this pc laptop wouldnt be able to handle 5 tracks even, but it let me record 32 tracks with 5 plugins on each..with a pint sized 256 mb of ram! It didnt even stop once unlike the dual G5 which always has to show some kind of error"


My friend does his own music recordings for his band, and some friends of his. He knows someone that works on the Pro tools project, and said something about them starting to look more into the Windows XP versions of the software and supported hardware.

From what I gather they are spending more time and money working on those versions. He was asking because he was going to buy my Digital Audio Macintosh for use as a Pro tools computer at home. From what I understood him say, Pro tools really doesn’t use Both CPU's efficiently on a G5, and will actually work better on an older G4 Dualie.

Granted this is all hearsay so take it with a grain of salt.

[SweetFeet]

Like it or not, I think the update that's coming (hopefully tomorrow) will probably me a minor one. With the increasing shipping time estimates, I think an update is coming in the next couple days, for immediate availability. I can't imagine that this would be a major update, or Apple would have announced it a while ago, for availability weeks or months later.

[xli_ne]

Like it or not, I think the update that's coming (hopefully tomorrow) will probably me a minor one. With the increasing shipping time estimates, I think an update is coming in the next couple days, for immediate availability. I can't imagine that this would be a major update, or Apple would have announced it a while ago, for availability weeks or months later.


I agree. From what I heard at work, I would bet that updates will happen tomorrow at the emac, imac, and powermac line. I would be guessing like everyone else what those updates are, but they will be out tomorrow. ;)


Hopefully :D

[Platform]

Like it or not, I think the update that's coming (hopefully tomorrow) will probably me a minor one. With the increasing shipping time estimates, I think an update is coming in the next couple days, for immediate availability. I can't imagine that this would be a major update, or Apple would have announced it a while ago, for availability weeks or months later.

Well anything.......speed bumb, more RAM and a better GPU it all is better than nothing......also price drop ;) :D

[ts1973]

In Belgium shipping times are like this :
- ibooks : within 24h, BTO : 3 days
- powerbooks : within 24h (BTO : 3 days), except 17" : standard 7-10 days (!)
- MacMini : within 24h, BTO : 7 days (!)
- iMac : within 24h, except BTO : 1-2 weeks (!)
- eMac : within 24h, except BTO : 2-3 weeks (!)
- PowerMac : 5 days, BTO : 1-2 weeks

So, in my logic this means updates to Powerbook 17" and PowerMacs are imminent, and possibly some (minor ? Ram ?) changes in iMacs and eMacs.

[SweetFeet]

Well anything.......speed bumb, more RAM and a better GPU it all is better than nothing......also price drop ;) :D

Whatever they come out with, I need one, and I've got the money for one, and I'll like it.

Thank you sir, may I have another.

[Piarco]

Over here in Blighty, all eMacs and iMacs are still same day shipping. All the PM's are 5 days, apart from the basic 1.8 which is same day.

I can't seem to read anything into this trend! Some countries its 7 days for the iMacs, and in some it hasn't changed.... no consistancy at all. I'm beginning to think its gonna be a v. minor iMac update if at all... say more memory and obviously Tiger preinstalled.

I'm hoping for a 2ghz 160GB HDD 512MB ATi 9600 BT 2.0 +EDR "better" iMac model... not asking for much, honest!!!!

[timmyb]

In Belgium shipping times are like this :
- ibooks : within 24h, BTO : 3 days
- powerbooks : within 24h (BTO : 3 days), except 17" : standard 7-10 days (!)
- MacMini : within 24h, BTO : 7 days (!)
- iMac : within 24h, except BTO : 1-2 weeks (!)
- eMac : within 24h, except BTO : 2-3 weeks (!)
- PowerMac : 5 days, BTO : 1-2 weeks

So, in my logic this means updates to Powerbook 17" and PowerMacs are imminent, and possibly some (minor ? Ram ?) changes in iMacs and eMacs.
A minor RAM change wouldn't put shipping times back 2 weeks. I think that all ranges will get 512 standard but iMacs and eMacs will see bigger updates. Even the 3 days for iBooks is significant as it is normally 24 hours even when BTO.

[wdlove]

It all stands to reason that we will se an update of some kind tomorrow. Tuesday has normally been the day that Apple makes announcements. Whatever they do it will make tomorrow doubly special. Would be nice to have new items ready for the Tiger release.

Still think that with the Power Mac if its significant Steve will want to announce.

There could even be a whole new line announced at WWDC, like a Pro Mac.

[ksz]

I think if there are hardware upgrades tomorrow, they will be relatively minor -- the usual speedbump variety -- because I think the "Tiger Unleashed" countdown is going to stay on center stage at apple.com. A dual-core G5 would certainly deserve center stage, but the stage ain't free...

[crpchristian]

WWDC is only about 40 days away, which makes is seem a bit odd to realease brand new technology between now and then (I think tiger's realease had more to do with NAB and the fact we all knew what was in it and that it was coming soon anyways, so WWCD wouldn't have been much of an 'unveiling'). I'm getting the top (probably) PM that will be released, so i'm hoping for WWDC actually. As for imacs and the others, updating them tomorrow would be nice since they are more likely to be updates rather than complete overhauls which the powermacs seem to have more potential undergoing in the near future.

[Roz]

- powerbooks : within 24h (BTO : 3 days), except 17" : standard 7-10 days (!)

So, in my logic this means updates to Powerbook 17" and PowerMacs are imminent....

I know there was talk of a 17" HD powerbook with hi res screen, altough I don't forsee that happening until WWDC at the earliest. Shipping times are 1-3 days across the board for all powerbooks in the U.S. so I don't think the 7-10 day wait in your country signifies anything really. The most we will see is a minor increase in RAM for the release of Tiger. But I'm even highly skeptical about that.

[JasonGough]

I'm thinking of buying a dual 2gig G5 soon for working with audio & pro tools, and i was wondering what the updates that are coming along tommorow are? Are these hardware or software updates? I know Tiger is coming out on Friday, so what possible updates are there tommorow?

Also, is WWDC the place where apple anounce new & updated computers? I've read about peoples anger that it looks doubtful to see dual core G5s coming out then which is a shame. Is it likely tho that there will be new models of G5 released in June?

Would it therefore be a good idea to sit tight and not buy anything until after WWDC, or will the prices become even higher when the new lines are brought out?

Hope you can help me out here!

Thanx alot!

[admanimal]

OK...some new shipping times for everyone to speculate about...

ALL PowerMacs, including the Single 1.8, are now at 1-3 days. eMacs are 5-7 days now. Everything else has stayed the same.

Personally I think here is a monkey at Apple that is allowed to adjust the shipping times at its whim.

[quta]

I'm thinking of buying a dual 2gig G5 soon for working with audio & pro tools, and i was wondering what the updates that are coming along tommorow are? Are these hardware or software updates? I know Tiger is coming out on Friday, so what possible updates are there tommorow?

Also, is WWDC the place where apple anounce new & updated computers? I've read about peoples anger that it looks doubtful to see dual core G5s coming out then which is a shame. Is it likely tho that there will be new models of G5 released in June?

Would it therefore be a good idea to sit tight and not buy anything until after WWDC, or will the prices become even higher when the new lines are brought out?

Hope you can help me out here!

Thanx alot!

The consensus seems to be that there will be some kind of Powermac G5 update very soon, either tomorrow or in the next week or so. This idea is bolstered by various pieces of evidence. See ThinkSecret.com for a likely description of the update.

There is really very little evidence one way or the other about updates at WWDC. Everything I've seen is pure speculation.

If you need a machine, there is no reason not to buy in the next few weeks. I am starting a large consulting job June 1, for which a dual G5 will be perfect, so I plan on waiting to see what happens tomorrow (or next Tuesday), and placing an order in the next two weeks regardless...

[quta]

OK...some new shipping times for everyone to speculate about...

ALL PowerMacs, including the Single 1.8, are now at 1-3 days. eMacs are 5-7 days now. Everything else has stayed the same.


That makes perfect sense if there is to be a PowerMac update tomorrow, since that is now only 1 day away. As Tuesday got closer and closer, the shipping times have dropped from 5 - 7 days, to 3 - 5 days, to 1-3 days. My bet is on PM updates tomorrow (though, of course, plans can change at the last minute).

[admanimal]

That makes perfect sense if there is to be a PowerMac update tomorrow, since that is now only 1 day away. As Tuesday got closer and closer, the shipping times have dropped from 5 - 7 days, to 3 - 5 days, to 1-3 days. My bet is on PM updates tomorrow (though, of course, plans can change at the last minute).


I agree. This logic would also put updated iMacs sometime between this Friday and next Tuesday, which seems like a reasonable time to release them, if not tomorrow. And I guess eMacs might get a boost at the same time as the iMacs.

[iDeclare]

as of 7:00pm EST, Appleinsider agrees:
Updated Apple Power Mac G5 systems en route to company stores (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1024)

Here's to some rather anticlimactic power mac updates!!! :rolleyes:

[dosers]

Maybe now we can all go back to our daily business ;-)
It makes sense to have a speed bump now, with the same general components. Then, the Dual Cores will be announced in Paris to ship in the October / November time frame (there is no way WWDC will see these).


as of 7:00pm EST, Appleinsider agrees:
Updated Apple Power Mac G5 systems en route to company stores (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1024)

Here's to some rather anticlimactic power mac updates!!! :rolleyes:

[OziMac]

[EDIT- and Appleinsider took the words out of my mouth :)]

Interesting - earlier all Macs had same day shipping on the US store, but now...

Powermacs are 1-3 days [EDIT - spoke too soon, and it dropped again!]
Powerbooks are 1-3 days
iMacs are 5-7 days
iBooks are 1-3 days
Mac Minis are 1-3 days
eMacs are 5-7 days

Looks like all new systems will be shipping with Tiger from now on and updates are on the horizon for Powermacs, iMacs and eMacs... bring on the ritual shutdown of the Apple Store! :)

[aswitcher]

as of 7:00pm EST, Appleinsider agrees:
Updated Apple Power Mac G5 systems en route to company stores (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1024)

Here's to some rather anticlimactic power mac updates!!! :rolleyes:


I expect a decent price drop if they are as feared only slightly beefed up. Dual burn, decent ram, BT2 etc aren't really enough to keep prices the same imnsho :cool:

[Savage Henry]

iMacs are 5-7 daysI got 7-10 days on the UK store for these babies ......

My patience is running thin ....

[le_coc]

Minutes away from updates????

[groovebuster]

I have been an avid macintosh fan since the last 5 years and still am, but I am absolutely put off with the state of their pro hardware computers like the desktop G5. All I keep hearing about is a new ipod..ipod photo..ipod shuffle, etc.

I gets on my nerves as well. Of course the consumer market is important for Apple, but real pros didn't have a lot of positive news for a while if any. The nicest software is not cutting it when there is no decent hardware to run it on.

I bought an AMD 64 notebook 2 months ago, installed ProTools on it and it blew my Dual 2ghz G5 away. This notebook has 256 mb ram, while my dual 2ghz g5 has 1.5 gig. I was able to get more tracks recorded and many more plug-ins than on the dual 2ghz G5.
I made similar experiences with actual non-Apple hardware.

I don't want to get into detail too much, but since you were talking about laptops...

I was in the market for a new PowerBook last year (in fall), since I needed a mobile Workstation for some of my stuff. The problem...: The PowerBooks that I could have bought back then (they are not much different from the ones you can buy now) didn't have enough power, which is funny considering their name. So in the end I was buying a Fujitsu-Siemens Laptop with all the features I ever needed and Windows XP on it, I just upgraded the RAM to 1GB. I love this machine. It is so unbelievable fast compared to the current PowerBooks, it is not funny anymore (a business partner bought a PowerBook a few weeks ago and we did speed comparisons side by side).

OK, it doesn't run Mac OS X, but you know what? From a certain point on this doesn't matter anymore. The apps work the same on both machines, but the Win-Laptop is way faster, which really matters for the suff I am doing. If I would tell you how it performs against my PowerMac G5 as well at least half of the people in here would crucify me...

I love Mac OS X, but the Apple hardware really sucks ****! It looks good, but that's about it! A never-ending story...

It seems for years the only reason why I was still using Macs was that I just hate Windows. But time is money and with the steady performance lack you are facing when using Apple "high-end" hardware I am a happy user of a Windows Laptop now.

BTW... No viruses so far in 6 months. And I am also using my Lappy for the usual Internet stuff (writing this message on it). When you know what you are doing this is no problem...

groovebuster


P.S.: If Apple will ever release a Laptop that'll blow the "others" out of the water, I will switch back to a PowerBook. I also intend to buy a new Workstation in Fall. If Apple releases decent hardware by then that can compete, I will stick with Apple. If not, I will probably shell out a relatively big amount of money for a workstation that has no Apple logo on it for the first time in my life...

[wdlove]

Well it is now past 12n EDT. It appears that the 26th will pass into history with no announcement. Wait we still have 6pm EDT! I was so hoping for some to be announced on this special day.

[JasonGough]

well, its not a massive upgrade, but its not bad.

250Gig hard disk and small increase in processor speed is still better than nothing. Do you think the prices will stay the same or go up now?

everyone seems well disapointed, i'm just wondering exactly what everyone was expecting them to bring out?

It was mentioned dual core proccessors might come out in oct/nov, how will these work then? will these be the G6? will they be Dual Dual core G5s or what?

I'm interested to find out cos i'm planning to buy a dual proccessor G5 soon, and if these dual core macs will tottaly kick everything elses ass, i might hold out a few months.....