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arn
Sep 29, 2002, 09:20 PM
Kevin Black wrote us with the following:

If you go to the MacRaffle website, http://www.macraffle.com, you will notice that a message comes up instead of the site. Seems the Ohio Attorney General's office is investigating MacRaffle under gambling accusations.

No one was arrested and the site owner seems to be upfront and honest. He\'s obviously trying to appear upfront and honest. However, for those that felt it could have been a shady operation, it appears the Ohio AG is going to determine it without doubt.

So, those that felt it was could either be vindicated or ashamed. Only time will tell.

SilvorX
Sep 29, 2002, 10:31 PM
i remember going to that site once...never really thought of it as a scam or anything...

happygoodies
Sep 29, 2002, 10:38 PM
It was obviously online gambling, which is banned in Ohio as far as I know, so they're clearly guilty unless there are other facts =( As for whether they were "legit" in that they randomly drew winners and sent out prizes, I think that's besides the point.

It sounds like some guy got a get-rich-quick idea and put it on the Internet without realizing he could get into a lot of trouble.

If anyone could do this, you'd see a million of these raffles online. What easier way to get money than to buy iPods for $300 each and sell 1000 raffle tickets for it for $1 each?

arn
Sep 29, 2002, 11:13 PM
yeah - there are very clear rules about contests vs gambling.

I ran a contest site for a while... and while I'm not a lawyer, there are some basic rules...

In general... contest need to be free to enter - you can't have a purchase required. (this is called gambling). Unless there is a significant skill element involved, in which case you can charge entry fees.

Certain organizations are exempt, I believe... such as non-profits (churchs perhaps)

Looks like he's trying to utlize the Skill element - but in the few times I'd read that site, i never knew there was a skill element to it.

arn

dricci
Sep 29, 2002, 11:38 PM
The Government - Protecting You from Yourself, Everyday!

happygoodies
Sep 29, 2002, 11:38 PM
I think by "skill" he meant "skill at your job" and through that "skill" a commisurate amount of "money" to give him and win prizes =(

funkywhat2
Oct 2, 2002, 08:19 PM
didn't they give the after tax profits to charity? why would that be illegal?

Evergreen
Oct 2, 2002, 09:47 PM
...Seems the Ohio Attorney General's office is investigating MacRaffle under gambling accusations.


That's right kids, gambling is wrong unless you are a state government, in which case it's fine!

Moxiemike
Oct 2, 2002, 11:24 PM
From Mr. Macraffle.

It is the Ohio Attorney General's position that I was operating an illegal gambling operation from my home and on the Internet. This is not the case. My position is that I was operating a skill contest at my site and had given my site a feeling similar to gambling for marketing and entertainment purposes only.



At the risk of sounding like an ass, what kind of skill does it take to say "i want an iPod. I'm buying 10 tickets to win an iPod."

Maybe the skill to click a mouse or type a URL? This kinda makes this guy seem :GUILTY:

I don't know all the facts... but as Shakespeare said, and from reading his site:

"Thou doth protest too much"

card-wheels
Nov 15, 2007, 10:43 AM
Very nice forum, I'm an italian reader and your english is simple and easily understanded from me :-)

Regards,
Mario

Unspeaked
Nov 15, 2007, 03:07 PM
The "skill" was being able to spot scams.

The more skill you had, the less likely you were to lose money...

irmongoose
Nov 15, 2007, 03:20 PM
http://homepage.mac.com/irmongoose/htrb.jpg



irmongoose

Peace
Nov 15, 2007, 03:22 PM
You have a coma at the end of that link arn.
It goes nowhere.

WildCowboy
Nov 15, 2007, 03:26 PM
I think we can safely put this five-year old thread to bed.

The amazing thing is that their site is still there with a "Returning Soon" label.