10.3.9 and Java Glitch

[MacRumors]

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News.com reports (http://news.com.com/Java+glitch+hits+OS+X+update/2100-1016_3-5675631.html?tag=nefd.top) on a problem that has hit many Mac OS X 10.3.9 users.

Mac OS X 10.3.9 brought unexpected quits/restarts from Safari as well as standalone Java Applications.

For those who are affected, Apple said the problem can be fixed by reinstalling two earlier security patches: Java 1.4.2 Update 2 and Security Update 2005-002.

The Cupertino, Calif.-based company also offered up a test that people can do to see if their systems are affected. Customers should open the terminal program and type "java -version" (without quotes) and then hit return, it said. Computers affected by the issue will get the message "Segmentation fault."

Extensive discussion on the update can be found here (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050415192105.shtml).

[Gorbag]

Strange, no problems with my set-up. Wonder if it's to do with third party plug-ins, seems a lot of those have been broken with the lastest update to safari.

[firestarter]

I applied those - but I'm still having lots of problems with Safari crashing out when some links are followed, and ignoring some Javascript.

I know there were some Javascript security fixes - but I need to use this particular (trusted) site for work, and I want it to work like it did before!

Not impressed.

[JRM PowerPod]

Just checked mine. All clear. I wonder why it affects some but not others

[pimentoLoaf]

I tried the Terminal test and received:

"1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)


No problems! :D

[iGary]

Glad I didn't or won't be installing this one.

All kinds of cheeriness from Apple the last two days.

[Gorbag]

I tried the Terminal test and received:

"1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)


No problems! :D

Same here.

[xtbfx]

No problems here either.

[Morky]

First time I've had a problem with anything coming through Software Update and I've installed everything since 10.1. The Security Update 2005-002 reinstall fixed it for me without reinstalling Java 1.4.2 Update 2.

[javabear90]

crap... I get a segmentation fault! :mad: :( :confused:

[varmit]

Ok, this is messed up. What causes this to happen only on a certain setups. Whats the program or setup causes this to happen, or is it just random? I'm unaffected but its still annoying that CNet of course posts the problem like it was the end of the world and it doesn't even affect every user.

[tamtam]

Guess I will skip this update and go directly to Tiger.

[tyrstone]

Where I noticed the problem was when I tried to watch any of the sites (MLB.com, cbspsortsline, espn) that update live baseball games. Instead of auto-update or live action, I have to refresh. Do we have to reinstall the Java and security updates, or will apple make something available?

[blueBomber]

Nothing wrong with any of my machines (two alPBs and a G5). Odd, I figured my chances for at least one of them needing the fix was pretty good.

[MattG]

My desktop is clear, but my Xserve is giving that error message. Downloading those patches now...

[~loserman~]

Ok, this is messed up. What causes this to happen only on a certain setups. Whats the program or setup causes this to happen, or is it just random? I'm unaffected but its still annoying that CNet of course posts the problem like it was the end of the world and it doesn't even affect every user.

Oh come now.
If this was a Microsoft Problem everyone on this board would be laughing their butts off. :p

The worst part for Apple is it is a reflection on their quality control. Makes people wonder, If they missed this how much did they miss in Tiger?
And when Tiger shows some glitches you can bet the IT press will be all over it.

[bentley]

I had the problem.
It was a complete bi-atch.
Fixed now.

PB 12" if anymore cares..

[latergator116]

I had the problem, but I didn't realize I had it until I checked the terminal. Safari was going a little slow, but I thought that was the regular OS X sluggishness.

[1macker1]

Cripple the current OS days before releasing the next OS, ummm do i smell conspiracy!

[aprilfools]

No Problem. here is what I get:

Last login: Tue Apr 19 05:16:40 on ttyp1
Welcome to Darwin!
[eMac:~] benjamin% java -version
java version "1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)
[eMac:~] benjamin%

[Maxiseller]

Both my ibook and emac were affected to the point where they simply did not start safari. I just reinstalled 1.2 Safari and now it's great. Strange - but I don't get the segmentation message in terminal....*scratches head*

[caccamolle]

10.3.7 rock, ROCK, solid
10.3.8 my mac would crash every third or fourth wake up from sleep
10.3.9 my mac crashes randomly. Worse than XP for sure.

Take a look at the Apple support site and you'll know I am not alone.

I usually don't do all updates, unless really need to. I went to 10.3.8 because I had read somewhere that it addressed network issues and I had noticed slow response accessing the web. So I went to 10.3.8 and wish I had never done it. Evidently since 10.3.8 was not stable it was a no brainer to try 10.3.9. And 10.3.9 for me is the worst OS I have had in a long long time.

CONCLUSION: Apple is making sure everyone will want to purchase TIGER. No other explanation.

PM FW 1.25 2x 1.25gig

[Xenious]

I had the issue and fixed it with 2005-002. Kind of funny that there was no problem until the hard working user community solved it. Then Apple just takes that information everyone compiled so nicely and posts it online. ;) Granted it is a much more logical place for all users to find it (on apple support pages).

I'm glad I saw it on MacRumors. I had the patch already downloaded in advance. :)

Oh and my fans actually spin up less after 10.3.9.

[MattG]

10.3.7 rock, ROCK, solid
10.3.8 my mac would crash every third or fourth wake up from sleep
10.3.9 my mac crashes randomly. Worse than XP for sure.

Take a look at the Apple support site and you'll know I am not alone.

I usually don't do all updates, unless really need to. I went to 10.3.8 because I had read somewhere that it addressed network issues and I had noticed slow response accessing the web. So I went to 10.3.8 and wish I had never done it. Evidently since 10.3.8 was not stable it was a no brainer to try 10.3.9. And 10.3.9 for me is the worst OS I have had in a long long time.

CONCLUSION: Apple is making sure everyone will want to purchase TIGER. No other explanation.

Different experiences for different people. I, on the other hand, have seen nothing but improvements with each update. (Except for this bug of course, which was easily fixed.)

[Dalriada]

Apple is making sure everyone will want to purchase TIGER. No other explanation.

Well it's a sad day if thats the purpose of 10.3.9 although I could hardly believe that. Anycase I'm going straight from 10.3.7 to Tiger ;)

[caccamolle]

of course Matt, that is always the case. But it should not be though because way too many people have been having problems with recent updates. I can live with it, but there is no doubt in my mind that these updates were poorly managed by Apple. Especially when I consider that I have absolutely no plug-ins, third party apps or strange things running on my Mac. It is as clean as it gets as I basically run Apple only apps, except for one or two games.

By the way talking about games, Doom 3 rocks on my Mac !

[dukeblue91]

No Problem on any of my 3 computers :D
Must not be that big of a glitch :confused:

[xli_ne]

i'm good, but this isn't a good sign at all

[Mac]

I did as the security page said:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380

But I started the download of both the Java update and the Security update at the same time. Well, the Sec. update is 16 MB and the Java 26 so the Security update started its installation process first.

What a bummer! It totally locked up the Java update later and even Applecare rep.s don't have clue of what to do.

What a rotten update this was!

[caccamolle]

Dalriada, I am with you on both counts. I don't truly believe Apple would do that, however everything makes me believe so. And you are absolutely right staying with 10.3.7, gee I loved that one, I only wish it was not such a gigantic pain in the behind to go back there.

[Dalriada]

Dalriada, I am with you on both counts. I don't truly believe Apple would do that, however everything makes me believe so.

I guess it boils down to how many head counts at Cupertino are left to work on updating 10.3.xxx whilst others working full steam on Tigeeeeeer. I know which project I'd choose...

[iriejedi]

I tried the Terminal test and received:

"1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)


No problems! :D


I second this statement. I wonder what the link is. Time to get "CSI Cuportino" involved! I bet they can debug this in less than 60 minutes!

[Jim Macak]

Both my ibook and emac were affected to the point where they simply did not start safari. I just reinstalled 1.2 Safari and now it's great. Strange - but I don't get the segmentation message in terminal....*scratches head*
Safari 1.3 crashes like you describe (in the absence of the Java problem) are likely due to Plugins that are incompatible with the updated Safari. Check your Library/Application Support/SIMBL/Plugins folder for these. Common "offenders" are AcidSearch (http://www.pozytron.com/acidsearch) and PithHelmet (http://culater.net/software/PithHelmet/PithHelmet.php). (Both have already been updated for Safari 1.3.) So, remove those from that folder (or install the updates) and Safari may well run fine for you.

BTW, I find that Safari 1.3 loads pages much faster than earlier versions. Its layout engine is "virtually identical" to that of Safari 2.0 in OS X 10.4 Tiger.

Jim Macak, Milwaukee area Macintosh Consultant
Member, Apple Consultants Network
Apple Certified Help Desk Specialist
http://www.yourmacdoc.com/

[Wyvernspirit]

No Problems Here. Works great. speedy too. Just to make sure I SSHed to my home computer from work, to do the "java -version" test, and got no issues. :D

[autrefois]

Ok, this is messed up. What causes this to happen only on a certain setups. Whats the program or setup causes this to happen, or is it just random? I'm unaffected but its still annoying that CNet of course posts the problem like it was the end of the world and it doesn't even affect every user.

This is annoying and I'm not updating until this weekend. I have a presentation to do and don't want anything affected. I have a bad feeling...

Maybe it's all part of a new ad campaign.

Life is random. So are java glitches.

[Billicus]

Hmm... This is odd. I tried "java -version" and it returned without a segmentation fault, but I still have unexpected quits when I simply press OA - Q in Safari... :confused: Any ideas?

[rowanhall]

hey guys!

i'm a long time lurker, and a first time replier!

i get the 'segmentation fault' error.

was just wondering, if i install the update, will all be fine and dandy? there hasn't been any more issues i'm to be aware of?

thanks
Rowan

[bentley]

there shouln't be


in my experience

10.3.7 was SOLID
10.3.8 was AWFUL, I had to reinstall OSX and go to .3.7
10.3.9 Java issue aside has been ok.

[rowanhall]

good good! Tiger has been pre-ordered anyhow! :D

i do have a wee problem though.
i downloaded the update installer of the web address noted above, but when i go to install, it wont let me, as it informs me that the version of java i have installed does not need updated??

i've probably done something stupid, but i'm a tad lost now!

Rowan

[virividox]

ran the updates i still get crashes :(

[uaaerospace]

in my experience

10.3.7 was SOLID
10.3.8 was AWFUL, I had to reinstall OSX and go to .3.7
10.3.9 Java issue aside has been ok.


I've gone through every update and not had any problems with ANY of them on my G5 PM. Maybe I'm just lucky? It's just hard to fathom why only certain machines are affected. I have loads of non apple programs (although no plug ins) but still have no problems. I'm upgrading to Tiger though. ~Josh

[Object-X]

Tiger should fix you right up. ;)

[mac-er]

Shame on Apple.

Shame on Apple for releasing an update that makes such an obvious flaw in systems. (I don't have any third-party plugin's on my system).

Shame on Apple for not making the fix to this problem more visible (I see nothing about it on the main Apple page or the main support page).

Shame on Apple for making its user do the work to see if they have the problem and for having to install the updates. They need to put a patch into Software Update. (or at least pull 10.3.9)

How many novice users feel comfortable using Terminal (or can even find it)? How many novice users (i.e. grandma) know to go looking around for the Knowledge Base article about how to fix this?

This was very Microsoft of Apple.

This really makes me doubt how stable Tiger will be if they couldn't even find a Java flaw in 10.3.9.

[mad jew]

I've gone through every update and not had any problems with ANY of them on my G5 PM. Maybe I'm just lucky? It's just hard to fathom why only certain machines are affected. I have loads of non apple programs (although no plug ins) but still have no problems. I'm upgrading to Tiger though. ~Josh


You're not the only one. :D

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I've gone through every update and not had any problems with ANY of them on my G5 PM. Maybe I'm just lucky? It's just hard to fathom why only certain machines are affected. I have loads of non apple programs (although no plug ins) but still have no problems. I'm upgrading to Tiger though. ~JoshI never had any (major) problems with any Apple updates, either (wasn't even seriously affected by the infamous 10.2.8 update, even if I installed within minutes of its release)... so I guess we're bot lucky... ;)

[wnurse]

10.3.7 rock, ROCK, solid
10.3.8 my mac would crash every third or fourth wake up from sleep
10.3.9 my mac crashes randomly. Worse than XP for sure.


Take a look at the Apple support site and you'll know I am not alone.



Yeah, my computer freezes randomly waking from sleep also. Quite annonying. Another problem i get is when i change the batteries in my bluetooth mouse, the mouse freezes. I have to reboot to get the services of my mouse. I hope and pray that one day, some version of OSX will solve that problem

[Tuned MP5T]

I'm a newbie to the Mac world, so can some explain how to check if I have this problem?

[gregorypierce]

CONCLUSION: Apple is making sure everyone will want to purchase TIGER. No other explanation.

PM FW 1.25 2x 1.25gig


Nah, the real explanation that flows from this is that as Tiger became more and more stable - there were fewer and fewer 10.3.x testers - most of them had moved on to testing Tiger. As a result, more stuff was making it through the cracks because the testing environment (internal and external testers) wasn't diverse enough.

[austing]

yeh the 10.3.9 update messed up my os. whenever i install updeates now such as the imovie 5.0.2 and the iphoto, and idvd it messes up my permissions for the applications folder so i have to redo those, and also it messed up my java(but i fixed that) and then safari unexpectadly quits all the time and etc.

its annoying. can't wait till tiger! have it preorder and evferything.
gunna do a full install and reformat so its like a new computer!

[Koodauw]

Thank goodness this has been fixed. (Just updated) I was forced to use i.e. there for a while! :eek:

This is the only update that i've ever had problems with. Lets keep it that way Apple.

[wrldwzrd89]

I'm not sure if I'm affected by this issue or not. I'll test when I return to my Mac. I'm one of those that was not bitten by the first 10.2.8 or any other Apple software updates.

[kirk26]

Apparently the issues are fixed once you upgrade to 10.4. LOL.

[Kelmon]

It's a funny thing. I can see why Windows has so much pain when there are so many wacky hardware configurations available, but am rather surprised that it seems to happen to Apple as well. Thankfully I've had nothing but joy when updating my PowerBook since Jaguar, but I'm really surprised that this particular bug was allowed out the door. Judging by the number of posts in the original update thread citing the problem you'd have thought that one of the ADC developers that received the update for testing would have come across this one prior to it being released. Very odd. :confused:

It's certainly not the end of the world but I'm really surprised that it wasn't caught much sooner.

[IJ Reilly]

I upgraded three Macs to 10.3.9 over the weekend, with no problems whatsoever. Safari's performance is much improved. Presumably, the people who are being hit with this issue are getting stung for a reason. What that reason is, nobody seems to know (or care?).

What I really don't get is the vocal B&M'ers who are griping about 10.3.9, but think the first version of Tiger out of the box is going to solve all of their problems. Come on, people -- haven't we learned this lesson yet? The first version of any major upgrade is the thing to avoid.

[shawnce]

Just checked mine. All clear. I wonder why it affects some but not others
After some discussion on the Java developer list it looks like at least some of the systems that have had problems, happened to have Java applications running while the update ran. So it is possible that the running Java applications prevented a full update of the Java runtime and/or the Java shared archive.

I didn't have any issues on the 3 systems I updated (none had Java applications running at the time of the update).

[paulypants]

CONCLUSION: Apple is making sure everyone will want to purchase TIGER. No other explanation.

PM FW 1.25 2x 1.25gig

Yeeeaahh, that's it. :rolleyes:

[shawnce]

Hmm... This is odd. I tried "java -version" and it returned without a segmentation fault, but I still have unexpected quits when I simply press OA - Q in Safari... :confused: Any ideas?

If you have any 3rd party plugins for Safari try disabling/removing them.

[WoofJoe]

The Java installer wouldn't allow me to reinstall the Java package. However, it didn't matter as reinstalling only the security update fixed the problem for me.

[bousozoku]

I had the problem on one machine but made sure to shut down the one Java application I had running on the other machine so all went fine with the 10.3.9 update.

I would imagine I'll be much more aware of shutting down Java applications during future updates.

[fps]

Ok, let's be clear. People who believe moving to Tiger (10.4.0) will have a more robust system than people with Panther (10.3.9) have a serious reality distortion problem :rolleyes:

As for the updates I had no problem at all with the successive updates until I installed 10.3.9 and got bitten by the java bug which in all honesty took me as long to fix as checking some forums and re-installing the security updates, so no big deal here :cool:
I think 10.3.9 was the last big update for Panther, from now on it's Tiger full speed ahead and Panther will receive only security updates.

As for Tiger I ordered it the day it was announced :) Will I install it straight away? Certainly not. I'll wait until 10.4.1 is out and possibly 10.4.2 :D

At the end of the day software coming from Apple, Microsoft, IBM, Sun, Open Source, etc... is just that "software" and unless we find a way to automatically test each piece of code that is released with testing procedures which are 100% reliable then there'll be always bugs that slips through the cracks.

Cheerio.

[shawnce]

If folks hit Safari bugs review the following website (blog maintained by one of the main Safari developers). If Safari is crashing check out the Java kbase posted above and/or remove any 3rd party Safari plugins until they are updated.

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/

[hulugu]

10.3.7 rock, ROCK, solid
10.3.8 my mac would crash every third or fourth wake up from sleep
10.3.9 my mac crashes randomly. Worse than XP for sure.

Take a look at the Apple support site and you'll know I am not alone.

I usually don't do all updates, unless really need to. I went to 10.3.8 because I had read somewhere that it addressed network issues and I had noticed slow response accessing the web. So I went to 10.3.8 and wish I had never done it. Evidently since 10.3.8 was not stable it was a no brainer to try 10.3.9. And 10.3.9 for me is the worst OS I have had in a long long time.

CONCLUSION: Apple is making sure everyone will want to purchase TIGER. No other explanation.

PM FW 1.25 2x 1.25gig

Yeah, whatever dude.
10.3 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.7 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.8 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.9 - Stable on all 3 of my machines

If you're having problems at each update you might want to consider what haxies, freeware or shareware you are using because something is wrong. This latest screw-up by Apple is dumb, however don't start launching even dumber conspiracy theories. I always want to look for correlations, if you're having problems what programs are you running?
Who else is having problems and what programs or systems are you running?
This is just like the Firewire problem: intermittent and I think entirely over-reported because it was just scary enough for users.

[wrldwzrd89]

Yeah, whatever dude.
10.3 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.7 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.8 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.9 - Stable on all 3 of my machines

If you're having problems at each update you might want to consider what haxies, freeware or shareware you are using because something is wrong. This latest screw-up by Apple is dumb, however don't start launching even dumber conspiracy theories. I always want to look for correlations, if you're having problems what programs are you running?
Who else is having problems and what programs or systems are you running?
This is just like the Firewire problem: intermittent and I think entirely over-reported because it was just scary enough for users.
Same here - I agree with your advice. It looks like I'm unaffected by this Java Glitch.

[shawnce]

Yeah, whatever dude.
10.3 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.7 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.8 - Stable on all 3 of my machines
10.3.9 - Stable on all 3 of my machines

Ditto, but I see your 3 systems and raise you 2 more systems and throw in one that started at 10.0 and has been updated to 10.3.9 without issue (didn't do clean or archive installs, no repair permissions, etc. just good old standard updates).

[min_t]

I like this update. Safari runs better. Thanks, Apple.

[Dagless]

no problems here, ran the Java test in terminal and all's well. check my sig for my system.

similarly related; my uni are still using 10.3.6, i ran Software Update and the list of updates was immense :|

[Balin64]

It's amazing that Apple can let something like this slip through the cracks. Perhaps it is the rush for one last update before a major upgrade (10.2.8 anyone?) In any case, from this point on, they better have some lackie come up with hundreds of installations on various hardaware and spend a couple of days entering "java -version" into each one. Ha! Hell I would do that job is Apple paid me enough... and let me into the Chocolate Factory...

[rowanhall]

it seemed like a bit of a rush job!

as an update to my problem,
the java update wouldn't let me install, so i reinstalled the security update and all is well.

got this prompt:
java version "1.4.2_05"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)

i take it that it sorted then! :)

Rowan

[shawnce]

In any case, from this point on, they better have some lackie come up with hundreds of installations on various hardaware and spend a couple of days entering "java -version" into each one. Ha! Hell I would do that job is Apple paid me enough... and let me into the Chocolate Factory...

Note what is outlined in the kbase article exists to get folks that know they have an issue to find a solution in the short term while they work out a mainstream fix.

From an Apple engineer to the Java-dev list...

We are aware of an issue with Java applications possibly not running after installing 10.3.9 We are working to address this issue immediately. In the meantime a Kbase article at http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380 has been authored with a work around. Feel free to forward this URL to your customers until a permanent fix has been authored.

[IJ Reilly]

I think 10.3.9 was the last big update for Panther...

Well I hope so, or it's going to have to be called 10.3.9.1! (Is it an operating system or an IP number? :) )

[shawnce]

it seemed like a bit of a rush job!
As an FYI Apple released at least 3 developer preview builds of Mac OS X 10.3.9 to developers starting as far back as the last week of March, including the very build that was released to the public. Interesting that no Java developers detected this issue since it would have likely affected them more directly then anyone else (they often have Java applications running for example).

[wrldwzrd89]

Well I hope so, or it's going to have to be called 10.3.9.1! (Is it an operating system or an IP number? :) )
Not this again. Any update to Panther beyond 10.3.9 will be numbered 10.3.10 because that's the way software version numbers work. And that's that.

[aegisdesign]

Another problem i get is when i change the batteries in my bluetooth mouse, the mouse freezes. I have to reboot to get the services of my mouse. I hope and pray that one day, some version of OSX will solve that problem

I have that problem too depending on the batteries I use.

If I use rechargeable batteries, it won't pair again unless I tell it to. You can do this without a mouse. Apple-TAB to the finder, Apple-Shift-U to get to the Utilities folder. Cursor right and then down to Bluetooth Setup Assistant. Apple-O to open that then hit return to search for devices and follow on from there.

If I use normal, non-rechargeable batteries then it will pair by itself eventually.

I'd guess that the initial pairing relies on more power than a rechargeable can provide. My rechargeable batteries are 1.25V 1600mAh Ni-MH batteries. Most normal batteries are 1.5v.

I've had similar problems with some types of rechargeable batteries in cameras also which run out quickly. There are a few 1.5v rechargable AA batteries now so maybe I'll give them a go next.

However, it'd get pretty expensive replacing normal batteries at the rate the mouse goes through them, never mind the environmental consequences.

[aegisdesign]

As an FYI Apple released at least 3 developer preview builds of Mac OS X 10.3.9 to developers starting as far back as the last week of March, including the very build that was released to the public. Interesting that no Java developers detected this issue since it would have likely affected them more directly then anyone else (they often have Java applications running for example).

I'd guess that most if not all of the Java developers had the Java3D stuff installed. If they had that, it seems the problem doesn't occur. The 2005-002 security update just replaces Java components that the 10.3.9 update trashes if you've not got Java3D.

I've updated two machines. One had no problem at all but I'd installed Java3D and all the other Java updates along the way. The second did have problems and it hadn't the Java3D update as that didn't get delivered via Software Update.

[wdlove]

My wife still is having problems on her 15" PowerBook. Safari crashes and she is having Java Script problems. So she is currently downloading and installing Java 1.4.2 Update 2 and Security Update 2005-002.

She was wondering if she will need to download any of the other updates again.?

[wdlove]

Help, my wife just downloaded the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 and Security Update 2005-002. When trying to do the installation, she received an error message: This isn't the software update that you need. What should she do now? :confused:

[shawnce]

My wife still is having problems on her 15" PowerBook. Safari crashes and she is having Java Script problems. So she is currently downloading and installing Java 1.4.2 Update 2 and Security Update 2005-002.

She was wondering if she will need to download any of the other updates again.?

What websites? Any Safari plugins installed?

Anything of note on the following site?

http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/

[shawnce]

Help, my wife just downloaded the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 and Security Update 2005-002. When trying to do the installation, she received an error message: This isn't the software update that you need. What should she do now? :confused:

Which update is saying that?

[shawnce]

I'd guess that most if not all of the Java developers had the Java3D stuff installed. If they had that, it seems the problem doesn't occur. The 2005-002 security update just replaces Java components that the 10.3.9 update trashes if you've not got Java3D.

I've updated two machines. One had no problem at all but I'd installed Java3D and all the other Java updates along the way. The second did have problems and it hadn't the Java3D update as that didn't get delivered via Software Update.

Interesting... I believe one of the systems that had no issues did not have Java 3D installed, at least I don't know why it would have (the system's users would have no need)... however it isn't here at the moment for me to check.

[avkills]

I love all the people claiming the problem being open Java Apps running while doing updates. :confused: WTF, normal people do not have ANY applications running during updates except the software updater. Common sense in my opinion.

Another issue could be from people running as admin all the time. I think it is probably fine for normal users, but power users who constantly install new stuff and push their machines should probably not run as admin 100% of the time.

Never once had a problem with any Apple updates.

-mark

[zippywinds]

Which update is saying that?

it says i do not have the java package to install any of those java update, where do i get this java package??

[Kairy]

my Azureus 2.2.0.2 bittorent manager stopped working after 10.3.9


reinstalling the Java 1.4.2 (26MB) update, did the trick.


resuming all downloads ... :D

[swissmann]

Strange bug in that it isn't effecting everyone. Also a pretty easy fix if it works. I hope (most likely in vain) that 10.4 won't be buggy.

[wdlove]

my wife just downloaded the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 When trying to do the installation,> received an error message:my wife even tried java 1.4.2 update 1, and keep getting a error message > that says i do not have the java package to install any of those java update, where would she get this java package??

but note check the software update logs and i shows those updates have been installed.

what is the problem

[Wyvernspirit]

I love all the people claiming the problem being open Java Apps running while doing updates. :confused: WTF, normal people do not have ANY applications running during updates except the software updater. Common sense in my opinion.

Another issue could be from people running as admin all the time. I think it is probably fine for normal users, but power users who constantly install new stuff and push their machines should probably not run as admin 100% of the time.

Never once had a problem with any Apple updates.

-mark

Not sure what your beef about running in admin is, but I do about 90% of the time, and I have had no problems of this sort ever with an update, including this one. I would say its the other way around. If you don't know what your doing, you can screw your system while running in admin. I know when to allow something and when not to. Everyone who doesn't does not have an admin account.

[zv470]

No problems here.

Would be interesting to see the proportion of people having problems vs. no probs.

Poll idea?....

"Java Glitch with 10.3.9:"

1) No Problems
2) Yes "Segmentation Fault"
3) Some Macs owned having probs
4) Don't own a Mac

[shawnce]

my wife just downloaded the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 When trying to do the installation,> received an error message:my wife even tried java 1.4.2 update 1, and keep getting a error message > that says i do not have the java package to install any of those java update, where would she get this java package??

but note check the software update logs and i shows those updates have been installed.

what is the problem

Well if it lists those as installed then you are ok on that front (as the kbase article appears to imply).

Did you trying to install the security update listed in the kbase article?

(click here (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380) for the kbase article incase you missed it)

I assume you actually have an issue with Java to begin with or do you have some other issue?

[4evermac]

This happened to me before 10.3.9. I thought one of the security updates or 10.3.8 did me in. I found the fix last month on Apple's developer website and posted it on Apple's Safari discussion board.

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2099.html

[mo0805]

no problems here, on either of my macs.

[giveup]

downloading security 2005-002, hope it will fix it.

[SPUY767]

I had the problem, but I didn't realize I had it until I checked the terminal. Safari was going a little slow, but I thought that was the regular OS X sluggishness.


Did you just say OSX Sluggishness? What are you running on? OSX is the snappiest bird out there. Even on my 450 Sawtooth, it runs faster than os 8 or 9. If it's sluggish to you, you've done something to it that you shouldn't have.

[juniormaj]

No problems here.
Lombard PowerBook 400 with Daystar XLR8 G4 433 upgrade.
This machine started out with OS9 (or was it 8.6?) and has had every update in the past 5+ years. Never a problem.
It even ran the OSX Public Beta. :)
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it qualifies for 10.4, so 10.3.9 may be the end of the OS road. :(
Unless, of course, they go into "extra innings" and do 10.3.xx updates, but I can't remember Apple ever going past a ".9".
They used to do some modifiers back in the System 7 days, like "rev2" or "system enabler __", but I haven't seen those in some time.
I seem to recall those having to do with the transition to PPC. A very messy series of conditional updates.

[fatbarstard]

Am running 1st edition PB 17" and no worries.... Mate.....

makes me worry about Tigger... will hold off... well I ahve to anyway. Stuck on the arse end of the earth means that we have to wait ages before anything from Apple actually arrives....

:mad:

[NevadaJack]

my wife just downloaded the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 When trying to do the installation,> received an error message:my wife even tried java 1.4.2 update 1, and keep getting a error message > that says i do not have the java package to install any of those java update, where would she get this java package??

but note check the software update logs and i shows those updates have been installed.

what is the problem

Forget about the Java update. Install the 2005-002 Security Update. That should cure the problem...it did for me. The reason "you cannot install the Java update" is that it is already installed. Hope you are successful.

[Mathew Burrack]

I love all the people claiming the problem being open Java Apps running while doing updates. :confused: WTF, normal people do not have ANY applications running during updates except the software updater. Common sense in my opinion.

I was about to make a similar point. I've never had any trouble with any OS X updates, but then I always shut everything down and just let the updater run. Maybe we should run two polls: one for those who had no trouble with .3.9, to see if they were running anything else in the meantime, and those who had trouble, to see the same thing?

This is related to a problem I had before with a security update on my PB. I had it on battery power by accident and it went to sleep during the middle of the install. Corrupted the kernel. Not good. I submitted a bug on the issue that has since been marked as fixed, but I've just made the habit nowadays of always making sure my Macs won't go to sleep while the update is running.

What I don't understand is why the updater just doesn't force the issue to begin with. Installers do the whole "no other application can be running" thing and ask you to shut everything down first; why can't the updater do the same thing? Once it's done downloading the updates, at least. :)

[orlando12]

So i reinstalled the security update,

and mlb.com instant auto update still doesn't work...

anyone else use this / know what gives?

[iMacZealot]

So that must be why Safari kept crashing on me the other night....hmm......

I would have thought that Apple would have Panther down so well that things like these wouldn't happen on the final update of these things.

[latergator116]

Did you just say OSX Sluggishness? What are you running on? OSX is the snappiest bird out there. Even on my 450 Sawtooth, it runs faster than os 8 or 9. If it's sluggish to you, you've done something to it that you shouldn't have.

Yeah, OS X is sluggish on my 700mhz iBook w/ 640mb memory. I mean, it is not unbearably slow or anything, but it is definately slower than OS 9.

[avkills]

Not sure what your beef about running in admin is, but I do about 90% of the time, and I have had no problems of this sort ever with an update, including this one. I would say its the other way around. If you don't know what your doing, you can screw your system while running in admin. I know when to allow something and when not to. Everyone who doesn't does not have an admin account.

It is called common sense. There is no real reason to have your day to day user have admin rights. In fact, I think it is a real mistake that Apple promotes running as admin. But whatever, I have my Mom and my Grandma running as admin, just so I don't have to explain logging out and installing and then logging back in. They don't have problems, but it certainly is not the best idea in the world for Apple to do it that way.

-mark

[thatmatt]

It is the wierdest thing. I own a iMac G4 and new iBook G4. On both computer's, only when it feels like it in, in a java applet, the lower case t doesn't work. This all started after the update. Hit shift and t and the capital T works. STRANGE!!

[Tuned MP5T]

Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)
Robin-Tulsirams-Computer:~ TunedMP5T$

Does this mean I'm ok? :confused:

[ShnikeJSB]

'01 TiBook 667, had the Java Segmentation problem once I updated to 10.3.9, installed the 2005-002 Security Update, and everything is back to normal. -JB

[wrldwzrd89]

It is the wierdest thing. I own a iMac G4 and new iBook G4. On both computer's, only when it feels like it in, in a java applet, the lower case t doesn't work. This all started after the update. Hit shift and t and the capital T works. STRANGE!!
That's strange, and bad news for you considering your username has 4 of those lowercase t's in it. I'm suspicious that you have some third-party software installed that ties into/uses Java - if my theory is right, this program should NOT be working correctly either since you updated.

[njdude]

First time I've had a problem with anything coming through Software Update and I've installed everything since 10.1. The Security Update 2005-002 reinstall fixed it for me without reinstalling Java 1.4.2 Update 2.

Ditto, - The 10.3.9 update affected Virtual PC 6.1. It would not respond and I had to force quit the application. When I restarted the application, the desktop to Windows would appear, but nothing worked and the application had to be forced to quit. After installing SU 2005-002 it is now working properly. The Java did not require updating for me either.

[Wyvernspirit]

It is called common sense. There is no real reason to have your day to day user have admin rights. In fact, I think it is a real mistake that Apple promotes running as admin. But whatever, I have my Mom and my Grandma running as admin, just so I don't have to explain logging out and installing and then logging back in. They don't have problems, but it certainly is not the best idea in the world for Apple to do it that way.

-mark

Other then the "explaining to mom and Grandma" thing, what you say make sence for non technical people to have the computer set up in standard (non admin) user mode. It doesn't say why a tech person, as stated, should not run in admin mode, which is what I had questions on.

One reason I run in admin mode is so I don't have to deal with problems with file permissions. Everything has me as the owner not some other User. I do not have root enabled, and I would say running in root would be a bad idea, just don't see a problem with admin if you know what you are doing.

[dmarkman]

I'd guess that most if not all of the Java developers had the Java3D stuff installed. If they had that, it seems the problem doesn't occur. The 2005-002 security update just replaces Java components that the 10.3.9 update trashes if you've not got Java3D.

I've updated two machines. One had no problem at all but I'd installed Java3D and all the other Java updates along the way. The second did have problems and it hadn't the Java3D update as that didn't get delivered via Software Update.
so called "10.3.9 java glitch" has nothing to do with java in general
and java3d in particular
about 10 my coworkers successfully updated to 10.3.9 all of them don't have any java3d or JAI libraries installed. they just followed my recommendation to quit ALL applications/processes before update
I'd wish that Apple fix its updater so updater will ask user to quit all running application before update from other hand Tiger doesn't require prebinding
its libraries so I don't anticipate problem like "10.3.9 java glitch" on Tiger

[gregorypierce]

As an FYI Apple released at least 3 developer preview builds of Mac OS X 10.3.9 to developers starting as far back as the last week of March, including the very build that was released to the public. Interesting that no Java developers detected this issue since it would have likely affected them more directly then anyone else (they often have Java applications running for example).

Test my app on 10.3.9 or test my app on 10.4 (and the new java subsystem). Not to hard to figure out which route developers would likely choose :)

[fluidinclusion]

No problems here after install. Checked Java -version in terminal too. Safari does seem a bit slower though. Probably just me or this site.

[YS2003]

The update was done without glich for Al15" and Al12". For 15", it was from 10.3.8 to 10.3.9 via software update. For 12", it was from 10.3.7 to 10.3.9 (combo) via software update. There was no need for installing 2005-02 security update and Java update.

For my Ti PB (running 10.3.8), Safari was not usable after 10.3.9 update. Even after installing the previous security update and Java update, the problem was not solved. So, I did clean-install OS and ran a combo update to 10.3.9 via software update. Everything works well.

All of my PB did not have any 3rd party plug in for Safari.

[avkills]

Other then the "explaining to mom and Grandma" thing, what you say make sence for non technical people to have the computer set up in standard (non admin) user mode. It doesn't say why a tech person, as stated, should not run in admin mode, which is what I had questions on.

That's the problem. Standard mode for Apple is running as admin. Oh well. It does not really matter I suppose for home systems anyway.

-mark

[Wyvernspirit]

That's the problem. Standard mode for Apple is running as admin. Oh well. It does not really matter I suppose for home systems anyway.

-mark

Sorry for any confusion, but when I said "standard mode" I ment a user with no admin privileges, but not hamstrung either.

[hulugu]

The update was done without glich for Al15" and Al12". For 15", it was from 10.3.8 to 10.3.9 via software update. For 12", it was from 10.3.7 to 10.3.9 (combo) via software update. There was no need for installing 2005-02 security update and Java update.

For my Ti PB (running 10.3.8), Safari was not usable after 10.3.9 update. Even after installing the previous security update and Java update, the problem was not solved. So, I did clean-install OS and ran a combo update to 10.3.9 via software update. Everything works well.

All of my PB did not have any 3rd party plug in for Safari.

When you updated did you have applications running in the background? Supposedly, if you were running a Java app during the install it would munge up Java. Just a theory.

[Blue Moon]

In your software update is a Java Update for Mac OS X 10.3.9. (532KB)

And I quoteth:

"This update will correct issues affecting some Java users following the installation of Mac OS X v10.3.9 Software Update.

For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website: http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n301382."

[YS2003]

When you updated did you have applications running in the background? Supposedly, if you were running a Java app during the install it would munge up Java. Just a theory.

When I run updates, I unplug USB hub, firewire HD, and any other accessory from PB and only run software update. During updates, my PBs are plugged in for steady power supply.

[Billicus]

This is rediculous... Safari still unexpectedly quits when I terminate the application from the dock or by pressing OA - Q... What gives?

X(

[masterapple04]

Just as a side note, I was in an Apple Store today, and found that they had yet yet updated the store Macs. Either they just don't care because Tiger is so close, or Apple doesn't like their own update... :cool: