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vniow
Sep 30, 2002, 08:46 PM
Apple Computer has pulled its iPod music player from store shelves in France because the device is capable of producing noise levels that exceed government regulations.




:eek: :mad: :rolleyes: :confused: (http://news.com.com/2100-1040-960211.html?tag=fd_top)

Stike
Sep 30, 2002, 09:08 PM
What a bull... so nearly EVERY audio device should be pulled, especially some amps that make your ears falling off your head as soon as you reach volume 6 of 10... argl...:mad:

Go, Sony! Pull all your hardware!! Go!

bidge
Sep 30, 2002, 09:22 PM
I first saw this at ipoding.com earlier today. It has a lot more detailed info

iPod Illegal In France?
Posted by: Hacks on Monday, September 30, 2002 - 01:56 PM EDT
iPod This article (French, english translation) claims iPod does not meet French public health standards.

Apparently, the French government requires portable audio gear to be limited to an output of 100 decibels and current iPods exceed that limit (at 104dB.) The article states that Apple provided "oral notification" to retailers and is requiring them not to sell iPods until a crippled version of the firmware is available to bring French iPods into compliance. The new firmware is expected by October 15th...

Update: Cyril Pavillard, editor in chief of MacGeneration, writes:
I just want to clarify...the iPod situation in France. We have just released an article (French, english translation) after talking with Apple France CEO.

Contrary to Europe which accepts a maximum of 104 db which the iPod respects, France is "only" 100 db. Apple has been aware of the problem for quite a while and is going to release a firmware update on the 8th of october (not the 15th). Adding to this, Apple has recalled all the iPod still in stock by its resellers to replace them by new complying iPods.

Note: Thanks to AceMtp for the forum post leading us to the article.

job
Sep 30, 2002, 09:34 PM
That's slightly amusing until you realise they are serious...

gandalf55
Sep 30, 2002, 09:46 PM
Oh man... 4 decibels makes that much of a difference?!?! What hooey.

well - I'm glad Apple is moving on this anyway... I hope there is a Firmware update that only the French need to apply to their iPods. I'm perfectly happy with my LOUDER iPod, thanks.

gbojim
Sep 30, 2002, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by gandalf55
Oh man... 4 decibels makes that much of a difference?!?! What hooey.


Actually, every 3dB doubles the sound pressure.

big
Sep 30, 2002, 10:18 PM
WHAT? WHATCHA SAY? SORRY, COULDN'T HEAR YOU, I THINK I'VE DONE DAMAGED MY EARS

sluthy
Sep 30, 2002, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by gbojim


Actually, every 3dB doubles the sound pressure.

Actually, it's a 6dB increase that doubles pressure.

MacRumorSkeptic
Sep 30, 2002, 11:36 PM
The French are unworthy of such a device. They should have it pulled from them decibel problem or not.

sluthy
Sep 30, 2002, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
The French are unworthy of such a device. They should have it pulled from them decibel problem or not.

And your highly logical and intelligent reasoning for that quote was...?

vniow
Sep 30, 2002, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by sluthy


And your highly logical and intelligent reasoning for that quote was...?


Bah. Ignore him. He's a Rush Limbagh fan. :rolleyes:

beatle888
Oct 1, 2002, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
The French are unworthy of such a device. They should have it pulled from them decibel problem or not.


An example of an idiot.

Hemingray
Oct 1, 2002, 01:38 AM
Wow, this thread is incredibly TAME compared to the reader response over at MacNN! If you want to hear some truly sickening anti-French rhetoric, read what they have to say. Man, and we wonder why we Americans get such a bad rap. :rolleyes:

I find it interesting that OSHA allows for a max. of 2 hours each day for an employee to be in an environment that has a constant 100dB sound level. Oh, and guess what the rate is at 105dB? ONE HOUR. It gets reduced BY HALF. That should say something about the difference in decibels we're talking here.

RogueLdr
Oct 1, 2002, 01:54 AM
Does anyone know (or can anyone point me to a link) giving examples of what sounds correspond to what decibel level? Just curious how loud 100db is.

BTW, what is the maximum db level of US iPods?

RL

Hemingray
Oct 1, 2002, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by RogueLdr
Does anyone know (or can anyone point me to a link) giving examples of what sounds correspond to what decibel level? Just curious how loud 100db is.

Here is a decent list:

http://www.800nonoise.com/tutorial_noiselist.htm

Decibels are tricky to measure. A 5 dB noise reduction is about 30% quieter and represents a 50% decrease in the risk of hearing loss!

sluthy
Oct 1, 2002, 08:48 AM
Actually, I stand corrected from before, sort of - go to http://otto.cmr.fsu.edu/~elec4mus/topics/decibel.html and you get that a doubling of POWER (watts) is a 3dB increase, while a doubling of VOLTAGE (volts) is a 6dB increase.

blackpeter
Oct 1, 2002, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by MacRumorSkeptic
The French are unworthy of such a device. They should have it pulled from them decibel problem or not.

I hate to agree, but I do. We get nothing but greif from the French. Here's four letters that they hate to hear: WWII

And don't forget it you frogs! If it wasn't for us, you'd be paying for those illegal iPods with German Marks instead of Francs.

You lay down for Hitler, Kadafi, and Saddam but stand up to Apple computer? Please... Grow a backbone! :o

big
Oct 1, 2002, 10:08 AM
ahhh- but now they ALL use the Euro, don't they?!!

sjeantet
Oct 1, 2002, 10:23 AM
Ok, so I understand that loud volumes, especially over a long period of time, can hurt the ears. But honestly, since when is it the job of the government to monitor how I abuse my ears? No one, not even the French government, is going to stop me from staring into the sun all day and killing my eyes. Not that I would, but it's my right and privilege to abuse myself in any way I choose!

katchow
Oct 1, 2002, 11:28 AM
I hate to agree, but I do. We get nothing but greif from the French. Here's four letters that they hate to hear: WWII

And don't forget it you frogs! If it wasn't for us, you'd be paying for those illegal iPods with German Marks instead of Francs.


gee, i guess if you want to look at things that way...what about the american revolutionary war? where would we have been without the french? maybe you would be using using pounds right now...

big
Oct 1, 2002, 12:13 PM
>No one, not even the French government, is going to stop me from staring into the sun all day and killing my eyes. Not that I would, but it's my right and privilege to abuse myself in any way I choose!

Dear GOD!
<authoratative Voice> In the Public's interest, the Government exists, for YOUR safety & welfare, we will now be building the largest superdome ever, to block out the sun for the majority of the day </authoratative Voice>

job
Oct 1, 2002, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by big
Dear GOD!
<authoratative Voice> In the Public's interest, the Government exists, for YOUR safety & welfare, we will now be building the largest superdome ever, to block out the sun for the majority of the day </authoratative Voice>

Shades of 1984...

**shudder**

<sarcasm>But of course, big authoritarian governments know what's best for you. We will tell you how to live your life..</sarcasm>

big
Oct 1, 2002, 12:58 PM
>governments know what's best for you.

but remember, it's all for the "Common Good of the people"

mischief
Oct 1, 2002, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by big
>governments know what's best for you.

but remember, it's all for the "Common Good of the people"

The American catch phrase is: "National Security" or, more recently: "Homeland Security":eek:

Pants
Oct 1, 2002, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by sjeantet
Ok, so I understand that loud volumes, especially over a long period of time, can hurt the ears. But honestly, since when is it the job of the government to monitor how I abuse my ears? No one, not even the French government, is going to stop me from staring into the sun all day and killing my eyes. Not that I would, but it's my right and privilege to abuse myself in any way I choose!


yeh - it is . but it *is* the governments problem (or society generally) when others have to pick up the tab for someone injuring themselves. smoking for instance - or riding a mototbike without a helmet, or doing heroin.

Soma_Addict
Oct 1, 2002, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by tfaz1


I hate to agree, but I do. We get nothing but greif from the French. Here's four letters that they hate to hear: WWII

And don't forget it you frogs! If it wasn't for us, you'd be paying for those illegal iPods with German Marks instead of Francs.

You lay down for Hitler, Kadafi, and Saddam but stand up to Apple computer? Please... Grow a backbone! :o

France has only introduced three major exports to the international market that are worth noting.

1. Jean Reno
2. Cheese with mold already in it
3. The unconditional surrender

The French Franc could have been on that list if it hadn't surrendered to the Euro last year.

macsurfer
Oct 1, 2002, 02:00 PM
Stupid Frogs. And if it wasn't for the U.S. they'd all be speaking German right now, from WW I *AND* WW II. They're such a weak country.

big
Oct 1, 2002, 02:08 PM
>France has only introduced three major exports to the international market that are worth noting.

1. Jean Reno
2. Cheese with mold already in it
3. The unconditional surrender

The French Franc could have been on that list if it hadn't surrendered to the Euro last year.


BWA ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aaashas ah aha ha ha ha ha ha ha *snort* ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

garybUK
Oct 1, 2002, 02:49 PM
Don't forgett that the french built the statue of liberty!!!! and they aided the American's in the civil war between the English and the American's way back...

French are always uptight anyway this isn't a racist channel is it!!??!!
:-)

big
Oct 1, 2002, 03:08 PM
since when did the French become their own race?

Mr. Anderson
Oct 1, 2002, 03:30 PM
French wine is quite tasty, though....and the cuisine too, mmm, now I'm getting hungry.....and if you realize the potential here, you could go buy a bunch of iPods and smuggle them into France and make some money.... ;)

medea
Oct 1, 2002, 03:38 PM
First off everyone should get off of the French hating unless you live in France and this really affects you in anyway, secondly this is not a new health regulation over there and Apple should of been (and was) aware of it before they released the iPod overseas and should have forseen this, but they are releasing a new firmware update to remedy the situation soon. My only question about it is what would the penalties be for both owning an illegal iPod (or any other portable device) and for selling the illegal ones? Once they get the update though it wont really matter.

pgwalsh
Oct 1, 2002, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by garybUK
Don't forgett that the french built the statue of liberty!!!!
:-) They built it, but it was supposed to be a Trojan Horse. They just forgot to fill it with soldiers. :p

big
Oct 1, 2002, 03:47 PM
>French wine is quite tasty, though....and the cuisine too, mmm, now I'm getting hungry.....and if you realize the potential here, you could go buy a bunch of iPods and smuggle them into France and make some money....

French "Tarts" always make me drool, but they have to be wearing those "Maid" outfit (& I don't mean the Pastries!)

LethalWolfe
Oct 1, 2002, 05:14 PM
Originally posted by pgwalsh
They built it, but it was supposed to be a Trojan Horse. They just forgot to fill it with soldiers. :p


LOL

Stike
Oct 1, 2002, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by macsurfer
Stupid Frogs. And if it wasn't for the U.S. they'd all be speaking German right now, from WW I *AND* WW II. They're such a weak country.

Oh man, are there still so many stubborn human beings on this world? Please, I HATE political discussion, but dont degrade or make fun of people in countries you wouldnt even know where to find them on a map!

Grab your own nose dude, read history books not tinted by american partriotism and shut up!

Thanks!

P.S.: Sorry for offtopic.
P.P.S.: Dont mess with Europe :p

macsurfer
Oct 1, 2002, 06:43 PM
"dont degrade or make fun of people in countries you wouldnt even know where to find them on a map!"

..oh yeah like I don't know where France OR Germany is...

"read history books not tinted by american partriotism and shut up!"

..and what did I say that is NOT true????????


Shall I get started on the currently weak country known as Germany?

Stike
Oct 1, 2002, 07:05 PM
Originally posted by macsurfer

Shall I get started on the currently weak country known as Germany?

Nope. Let it be.

beatle888
Oct 1, 2002, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Stike


Nope. Let it be.


good man stike. some people...ignoranus

job
Oct 1, 2002, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Stike

Nope. Let it be.

Bravo!!

(Ich habe in Deutschland fuer 4 Jahren gelebt. ;) )

cr2sh
Oct 1, 2002, 10:59 PM
I guess the old saying rings more true than ever;

'if its too loud than you're too.... french'

rainman::|:|
Oct 1, 2002, 11:39 PM
The french are dirty. i think. i might have seen that on TV, but hey, that's as good as fact.

:)
pnw

groovebuster
Oct 2, 2002, 12:29 AM
I just can't believe it... :(

groovebuster

Stike
Oct 2, 2002, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by groovebuster
I just can't believe it... :(

groovebuster

Yes, this definitely has gotten out of hand. I presume this thread is dead. ;)