Once again I hate life and all it's worth

[iJon]

Well some of you might remember about a year ago when I made a thread about my best friend dying in a car wreck of a car I was driving. I don't post too much on the boards but I like coming here for comfort when bad things happen. I just like you guys. This is a long post, lots of profranity, hopefully the filters will fix it so I don't. If not then the mods can delete this post and I will repost an edited version soon. It's a blog entry, detailed and emotional. I felt it was easier than writing everything over again. Thanks in advance for whatever soothing comments I might recieve soon.

jon

I hate ****ing God, I really do. Actually, I don't know if I can hate something that I don' even think exists. He will never let it end, the madness, sadness, tears, everything, it just won't end. Him, Jesus, the Bible, it can all go to ****ing hell. Everyone praises this being every Sunday, then go back to their daily lives. He doesn't do anything, he just gives hope to people cause they have nothing else to believe in. They like to think everything happens for a reason and it's a part of his big ****ing plan. I hate him and everything about him.

After our Row Week party I decide to go to sleep because I'm tired from all the festivities. About thiry minutes into my sleep I get a phone call from an unreconized number. I answer it and it's Kim Johnson, Tommye's mom. She proceeds to say that she has some bad news. She than said my house was on fire, up in blazes, completely destroyed. I felt it was a dream but she asked me to drive down here after I assured her I hadn't been drinking. So I left the Pike house and drove on to my house. My average speed was 70-80mph and avoided every stop sign and traffic light. I pull into my neighborhood to be greated by red and blue lights. The same ****ing blue and red lights I experienced when I saw my best friend dead in the grassy plains in the night. My house up in flames and I don't know why. I walk emotionless to the officers and ask where my parents were. They were across the street in the motorhome. I noticed all the cars had been pulled out and driven away. I walk in and I don't know what to think. I asked what happened and they think our new gas grill exploded. My mom explained to me the scenario of the bursts of flames, sent me into a twilight of images that could only come from a movie.

Everything gone and I don't know what to think. I remember going home earlier that day. Playing with my ferrets that I love deeply, now gone is the rubbles of the fire. Parents and the dogs are okay but everything else gone. Pictures, valuables, even my passport which will be needed for a trip to Thailand later next month. All of it ****ing gone and for what. When's enough enough. It's been a year and a half and I was at my peak in life and now this. What is the point of even trying in life. Eventually it's just going to catch up and kill me, or make life so bad you will want to die. I can sit here and say "well, it's part of God's plan" but that would be ****ing stupid because that's exactly what it is, stupid.

Yes things can be replaced but still, is that what it has to come to. I didn't even know what to do. I just stared into the flames at a daze, trying to take it all in like it was a dream. I looked at my room melt away. Wondering why the fire department had to take 15 minutes to arrive at my god damn house, not that it would have mattered, that would have made to much sense. I called Michael, I knew he would have good words to say, I know his situation, **** like this happens and there isn't anything you can say. No one can be like "Oh yeah, I remember when my house burned down." I called Monica but she didn't believe me so I hung up on the bitch. All my other friends that I could call were off drunk or ****ing someone so I couldn't do that. I just proceeded to stare more, wondering if it was a dream, but soon realizing it wasn't.

Now I sit here at the Pike house, now my only house for probably a while. I told my mom how I can't stay here and watch these flames, all it does it **** with me. Told her I was going back to the frat and I will be at work in the morning. I wonder what my brothers will say, will they be understanding, will they not know what to say, who knows. What will friends say, even better, what will people who I haven't talked to in a long time say. I know a few friends I will tell to **** off when they ask me about the situation just cause they talk behind my back. I'm already sick of talking about this ****ing subject.

God, go **** yourself. Frosty, Sissy, Dusty: I love you guys, even though you were goofy ferrets who caused trouble, you were my ferrets and when I was younger the only people to talk to. I hope it wasn't painful and I will miss you.

jon

[Applespider]

{HUG}

[Patmian212]

Sorry to hear it. I know I cant really comfort you and I cant say I kow what your feeling. But things will start looking up! After all your family is ok!
Im really sorry.
Hang in there jon

Condolences
Patmian212

[840quadra]

I am truly sorry for your loss.

God or not, remember how good it is that your faimily is still alive, and so are you! I have had some minor tragities in my growing up, including a 2 year stint in Foster care after my mom had a bad reaction to doctor prescribed medicine and decided to take off for Canada! (I still don't like the medical profession to this day, and my mom is PART of it). After that point in my life (I was in 2nd grade) I learned the importance of family.

Anyway, try to think about the better things, going on in your life.. Passports and such can be replaced, and in your situation the process of getting some of your pieces put back into your life can be a building process that will hopefully take your mid off of the past, and give you a chance for a fresh start down a unique or new path.

Hope things go better! And yes life IS still worth living!!

[robbieduncan]

Wow. That truly sucks. Not surprised you are more than upset. Just remember that almost everything you have lost were only things. Your family are a safe. That's the most important thing. You have had a streak of really bad luck but things will get better.

You are young, at college and have lots to look forward to. Try not to get too down.

{more hugs}

[Blue Velvet]

Sometimes words aren't enough but you WILL put your life back together, because others will be around to help and support you.

[SpaceMagic]

Dear Jon,

Life can be sh*t sometimes and for some people it can be even sh*tter. Not only have you lost your friend you have lost your house and your pets. Let no one tell you how trivial the lives of your ferrets were, because they should be respected as much as any other creature.

I want to make it clear to you, I do not believe in God. I wouldn't call myself an atheist but nor would I say I'm religious. Please do not get angry with what I am about to say and give me the courtesy as to read what I am about to right.

Do not blame God. It is a common misrepresentation of many churches that God has a direct effect on our lives. He does not. This theory that "it's part of his plan" is just as you say - stupid. It clearly states that the World was created for us and we were given free will in the Bible. It is therefore the fault of our own if there is anything bad in the world. People who say "where was god" during 9/11 are using him as a scapegoat. Something I cannot believe I'm hearing after reading the Passion narratives where Jesus was himself used as a scapegoat.

Man, do not hate god, for he has done nothing wrong and you are just finding someone to blame. The house burning down was an accident, not God trying to tell you something. When life knocks you down the only thing we can do is get up and try again. You'll be admired a whole lot for it in the end not only by people but also by the "God," to which you keep referring.

However, if you truely believe that it is God who is setting you back then please take time to read the book of "Job" for he was knocked back over and over again but remained faithful to God. In the end he was rewarded.

I don't want to sound patronising, but having read most of the Bible it pains me to see people blaming a faultless God. If you are blaming him, they you truely believe he exists, then you'll be caught up forever hating someone who gave you the chance to live in the first place. If you do not believe anything I have said, then stop blaming God, for you cannot deny his existance yet blame him for everything. This is not fair or just.

You still have your parents, you still have your friends, you still have your memories. Stand up for yourself, put your, quite frankly, sh*t past where it belongs and find new spirit in life. You only live here once make the most of it.

Other than that, I feel your pain. You're right, my house has never burnt down, I haven't have a mate die and i'd probably be feeling like you right now. Please remember, life is short and there are good people out there. You don't need friends who'd rather by sh*gging women rather than consoling you. I hope these hard times end soon, and thank you for sharing your pain with us and trusting we could help.

[stubeeef]

Your in my thoughts. I'm very sorry, and all I can offer is hope.

[mkrishnan]

You're in my thoughts too....

[skunk]

I'm just really sorry about the ferrets. Life is a bitch.

[CelticBhoy]

I didn't know the background to what's been happening in your life the past year, Jon, but I was really sad when I read your story. Everyone on this board will have tragedies during their lifetime. Guaranteed. Life is fragile. The complex society we live in brings us many benefits, but also brings up strife and heartache. I've known deep pain in my life, but in different ways to you.

Life seems so unfair at times, as we've all experienced, but yours seems so much harder to take, harder to bear. None of us are guaranteed an easy life, cos life is not easy. It's full of joy and hope and love, of new birth and new beginnings. It's also full of the negations of these things.

It's how we deal with the bad times that give us a measure of our character. I've read enough to see that you will come through this latest sad period, simply because you have done so already. Hang on in there. Bad times may / will come in your life again, but deal with them with character, dignity and resolve.

CB

PS I believe in God, but I'm not going to dare try and give some kind of explanation as to why these things have happened to you. Life has taught me that.

[virividox]

sorry to hear that

[obeygiant]

at least you own a mac, right?

[munkle]

I'm so sorry to hear your story Jon, I wish there was something I could say.

Hang in there, you will get through this.

munkle.

[Platform]

Deeply sorry to hear that.........but you will get trough it..you will get back on your feet.

:o

Hope thing will go better for you in the future.

[iGary]

Hang in there, Jon.

*hug*

[leekohler]

Wow. All I can tell you is that I've been through a lot of crap too: my brother's suicide, the loss of numerous friends to AIDS (the 80's) and cancer, friends hit by drunk drivers. You will get through this. No matter how you feel right now, just remember it'll get better.

[iJon]

Thanks for the words guys. I know I will get through it, it's all possessions that can be replaced. Insurance will pay for a lot of it and who knows, that gas grill exploding might be a lawsuit or something, doesn't really matter. It's just still hard to believe, all kind of surreal. No telling what I will be looking for in the next month or so and realize I don't have it anymore. My ferrets I miss, they have been my pets since 8th grade, and they thought of those little things in that fire kills me inside,bad. My passport I don't even know if I will be able to get replaced before May 15 for my trip to Thailand. I think my mom is more hurt over anything. She had so many memories and things saved in the attic, all my baby pictures, every little thing she worked so hard on. My dad was much better, he was in the kitchen of our neighbors enjoying some coffee and talking. Most of my stuff I enjoy was not at the house simply cause I live in my fraternity, so all my clothes, electronics and so forth are fine. Sometimes I just want to crawl under a rock and pretend these things don't happen.

jon

[iJon]

Dear Jon,

Life can be sh*t sometimes and for some people it can be even sh*tter. Not only have you lost your friend you have lost your house and your pets. Let no one tell you how trivial the lives of your ferrets were, because they should be respected as much as any other creature.

I want to make it clear to you, I do not believe in God. I wouldn't call myself an atheist but nor would I say I'm religious. Please do not get angry with what I am about to say and give me the courtesy as to read what I am about to right.

Do not blame God. It is a common misrepresentation of many churches that God has a direct effect on our lives. He does not. This theory that "it's part of his plan" is just as you say - stupid. It clearly states that the World was created for us and we were given free will in the Bible. It is therefore the fault of our own if there is anything bad in the world. People who say "where was god" during 9/11 are using him as a scapegoat. Something I cannot believe I'm hearing after reading the Passion narratives where Jesus was himself used as a scapegoat.

Man, do not hate god, for he has done nothing wrong and you are just finding someone to blame. The house burning down was an accident, not God trying to tell you something. When life knocks you down the only thing we can do is get up and try again. You'll be admired a whole lot for it in the end not only by people but also by the "God," to which you keep referring.

However, if you truely believe that it is God who is setting you back then please take time to read the book of "Job" for he was knocked back over and over again but remained faithful to God. In the end he was rewarded.

I don't want to sound patronising, but having read most of the Bible it pains me to see people blaming a faultless God. If you are blaming him, they you truely believe he exists, then you'll be caught up forever hating someone who gave you the chance to live in the first place. If you do not believe anything I have said, then stop blaming God, for you cannot deny his existance yet blame him for everything. This is not fair or just.

You still have your parents, you still have your friends, you still have your memories. Stand up for yourself, put your, quite frankly, sh*t past where it belongs and find new spirit in life. You only live here once make the most of it.

Other than that, I feel your pain. You're right, my house has never burnt down, I haven't have a mate die and i'd probably be feeling like you right now. Please remember, life is short and there are good people out there. You don't need friends who'd rather by sh*gging women rather than consoling you. I hope these hard times end soon, and thank you for sharing your pain with us and trusting we could help.
Interesting and informative post. Your right, I'm probably being hypocritical, it's just last night was real bad, didn't know what to think or do, still don't.

I do love life and realize I only live it once, it's just these speed bumps make it hard, real hard sometimes. The wreck was hard enough to live with, at least a fire isn't something I did or my family, just an error on the grill's part. Thanks for your info.

jon

[EGT]

Argh ... that is awful. I hope you feel better soon :(

Just over a year ago my sister moved to Belfast in Northern Ireland. She had just moved into her new house with her boyfriend and six year old boy. She'd taken all her furniture and valued possesions with her and she had everything looking brilliant. Such a lovely house it was too.
About a week after i had visited, during the night, i got a phone call saying her house was burnt down by a gang of youths who'd broken into the back garden and set the oil tank alight, which was unfortunatly right up against the house. They were no older than 14 or 15. Little bastards.
They were very lucky to get out alive. Everything was just ... gone. Cast Iron furniture just melted away. There was nothing left.

All three of them are much better now. I think the experiance made them stronger. It was so diffiuclt for her coming to terms with loosing everything.

Best wishes to you and your family. Things will get better.

[iJon]

Argh ... that is awful. I hope you feel better soon :(

Just over a year ago my sister moved to Belfast in Northern Ireland. She had just moved into her new house with her boyfriend and six year old boy. She'd taken all her furniture and valued possesions with her and she had everything looking brilliant. Such a lovely house it was too.
About a week after i had visited, during the night, i got a phone call saying her house was burnt down by a gang of youths who'd broken into the back garden and set the oil tank alight, which was unfortunatly right up against the house. They were no older than 14 or 15. Little bastards.
They were very lucky to get out alive. Everything was just ... gone. Cast Iron furniture just melted away. There was nothing left.

All three of them are much better now. I think the experiance made them stronger. It was so diffiuclt for her coming to terms with loosing everything.

Best wishes to you and your family. Things will get better.
That's terrible. Good thing that didn't happen to me or there would be some disabled 15 y/o's in my yard. I don't know what this will do to me. My wreck made me so much stronger but it still kills me that my best friend had to suffer the loss of his twin brother cause of a car I was driving, it will be the deepest hole in my life until something worse happens. My parents will either build their dream house or buy a nice new house with all nice new things and life will go on. My mom's pictures and things saved for years will be gone but life goes on.

This event plus my recent trip to Egypt and my trip to Thailand coming could very well change me even more. I tend to be very materialistic, just the way I have been brought up. I also think of one of my customers, who last year had their house burn down, but they their daughter didn't make it out. I feel fortunate in that aspect.

My mom just told me today I need to start making a list of thigns that need to be replaced. Only things I can really think of is my camera and huge collection of DVD's. Also my neighbor informed me today that the consulant can overnight me a new passport which is great news.

jon

[pseudobrit]

I'd get on the passport right away.

I'm sorry to hear about your ferrets, but you must be grateful that your parents are okay.

I started reading your post and I thought, "oh, no; his parents died in a fire."

Then I read they were okay. I'd be thanking God that my parents are still alive, not cursing him for burning up my stuff. You lost your ferrets, and I know how much it hurts to lose a pet (I've lost two dogs and my bird in the past year or so), but most of your anger seems to be about the material things.

I'll put myself in your shoes for a minute and let you know how I feel:
It's frustrating to think of all the things you've lost, yes. Many things of sentimental value that cannot be replaced, many things of practical value that you'll need (records, documents) and many things of material value that cost a lot of money.

But you've got your family, man, and that's all that matters in the end. You need to put aside your anger about the irreplaceable stuff that's gone from your life and realise you've still got Mom & Dad, the two most irreplaceable people in your life, and put that in perspective.

[iJon]

I'd get on the passport right away.

I'm sorry to hear about your ferrets, but you must be grateful that your parents are okay.

I started reading your post and I thought, "oh, no; his parents died in a fire."

Then I read they were okay. I'd be thanking God that my parents are still alive, not cursing him for burning up my stuff. You lost your ferrets, and I know how much it hurts to lose a pet (I've lost two dogs and my bird in the past year or so), but most of your anger seems to be about the material things.

I'll put myself in your shoes for a minute and let you know how I feel:
It's frustrating to think of all the things you've lost, yes. Many things of sentimental value that cannot be replaced, many things of practical value that you'll need (records, documents) and many things of material value that cost a lot of money.

But you've got your family, man, and that's all that matters in the end. You need to put aside your anger about the irreplaceable stuff that's gone from your life and realise you've still got Mom & Dad, the two most irreplaceable people in your life, and put that in perspective.

Agreed, I don't think it's more of material things. It's more of the situation as a whole. It's still home and lots of memories, documents from our business, everything that has been in our family is gone and it's not like my car wreck. I can't go to the lot and pick up a new car. It's much more serious and it's just a terrible process for us. My mom has to call clothes companies and get things replaced. We basically have this 40ft Winiie motorhome for them to live in for the time being, but nothing to put in it clothes or living wise. It will take a while but I agree, we are okay and life goes on.

jon

[SpaceMagic]

It's good to see your more positive today :). Tis great. I didn't want to sound too pushy before.. just didn't think God deserved the blame?

[CanadaRAM]

Hi Jon

You are intelligent, and articulate, and you have taken the first steps to recovering from a hurtful loss.

Gather your support around you, go easy on the ones who weren't "there" for you on the night (ESP is a fickle thing after all), and take a deep breath.

When you're ready, ask yourself what you can do to actively support yoursef and your parents. I think you're already there, getting the passport and stuff sorted out.

As you have figured out, our life in the future is always irrevocably changed by what happens today; that's a continual process, and the only future that has really been lost is the one we imagined for ourselves.

Your future is always full of potential - travel to Thailand sounds like an adventure and an opportunity. Give yourself a bit of time to adjust to the new arrray of options you now have.

[CanadaRAM]

It's good to see your more positive today :). Tis great. I didn't want to sound too pushy before.. just didn't think God deserved the blame?
God has big shoulders, it's part of His job description ;)

Can you imagine a world where one could not rage against Him, express doubt, anger and disillusionment? Not a world I would like to inhabit.

[Les Kern]

In the space of three years my dad died of kidney failure, my sister died of a heart attack, my brother-in-law died and his wife, another sister (obviously) re-married only to see their house burn down destroying literally everything except two envelopes of family pictures, my step-father got cancer, my nephew committed suicide leaving 5 children, my mom had 2 hips replaced at 77 years old and got Chrone's Disease and was in a bad way, I got FOUR ulcers. Now: My sister who's house burned down made out BETTER because of insurance, my sister who died left 3 WONDERFUL, successful children, my step-father went into remission, my mom does aerobics at 80 years old and has a diet that contols the disease, my ulcers are under control with Nexium and Paxil. Moral: You can't control some things. Mourn your losses, but look to the future. Survive. There is no interventionist God (IMHO) so do it yourself. Look for the beauty in life. Nature. The rainbow of culture. Explore food. Live to create. Just live. Start a family and raise another human being. There is nothing more important. Quote: "Sweep in front of your own door, and soon the world will be clean."

[EJBasile]

I feel very sorry for you. Having so much bad luck in such a short time can be extremely depressing. Loosing pets can be very hard. At least you have people around you to support you. Loosing everything must be hard, I cannot even fathom what I would do.

Stay strong, in a while your life will be back on track.

A while ago working in the hospital I had met a patient who was a car accident with his family (mom, dad, 2 sisters), he was the only one who survived. Just think- he lost 4 people that were extremely close to him, not just material items.

[Doctor Q]

Jon,

I feel so bad for you. The car crash and Avnish's death in 2003 were more than anyone should have to go through, and I just can't believe bad luck like this has struck you again. I really felt for you then, and it's absolutely awful to hear about the fire now. I can't imagine how hard it must be for you and your family to lose pets, so many possessions, so many memories, and the intangible comfort that a family home holds. Thank goodness your family is ok, but how awful that it's about the only bright spot there is for you. I'm so sorry.

Letting you blow off steam here and get some support from your online friends is the least we can do, and I wish there was more that we could do.

[CelticBhoy]

Now remember and post when you get to Thailand, cos with your donald at the moment big man we'll all be fearful of something bad happening to you ! ;)

Bus as I said in my earlier post, my prayer is that you will face the future with courage, dignity and resolve.

[skunk]

with your donald at the moment big man we'll all be fearful of something bad happening to you ! ;)I think this may need translating for our transatlantic friends...

[iJon]

In the space of three years my dad died of kidney failure, my sister died of a heart attack, my brother-in-law died and his wife, another sister (obviously) re-married only to see their house burn down destroying literally everything except two envelopes of family pictures, my step-father got cancer, my nephew committed suicide leaving 5 children, my mom had 2 hips replaced at 77 years old and got Chrone's Disease and was in a bad way, I got FOUR ulcers. Now: My sister who's house burned down made out BETTER because of insurance, my sister who died left 3 WONDERFUL, successful children, my step-father went into remission, my mom does aerobics at 80 years old and has a diet that contols the disease, my ulcers are under control with Nexium and Paxil. Moral: You can't control some things. Mourn your losses, but look to the future. Survive. There is no interventionist God (IMHO) so do it yourself. Look for the beauty in life. Nature. The rainbow of culture. Explore food. Live to create. Just live. Start a family and raise another human being. There is nothing more important. Quote: "Sweep in front of your own door, and soon the world will be clean."
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, it means alot. I really can't imagine what you go through. I guess its just the fact we all have our own degrees of sadness in our life. I have friends cry when their boyfriend of one month leaves, I get sad when my best friend dies and you get sad with all you've been through. I do plan on doing everything myself. After my girlfriend left me back in high school I turned into the greatest thing I have ever been. I've made myself into what I am today with the help of no others and learning to love myself and enjoy life everyday. It's just hard to enjoy it when stuff like this happens. You can't do anything besides sit back and feel helpless. It is taken me through many mood swings. I feel positive about the situation and working it out but then I see my parents. It wasn't my house, it was there house and seeing everything they had lost kills me, I can't even fathom it. And all day I keep realizing what I lost. Yearbooks, old notes, pictures, things from my foreign travels, it all just overwhelms me and makes me want to cry from all the memories that I have in there. It's just bad things have surrounded me all week. I am trying to help out my co-worker cause he recently found out his wife slept with his best friend, and he also has a young daughter involved in all of this. Now I sit here at my parent's business, selling Macs all day and trying to keep a smile on my face is quite hard.

jon

[wdlove]

I'm very sorry to hear this Jon. In know that you are a good friend. Also sorry to hear you words of frustration. My prayers are with you and your family. Although I realize that you are not ready to hear my words of encouragement. God gives us no more than we can handle. I'm confident that you will make it through this also. Hopefully you will find someone in your area that you can talk with in person. Jesus still loves you!

[munkle]

Hey Jon, if you have any questions about Thailand feel free to ask, I lived there for a few years awhile back.

And again, my condolences.

[Doctor Q]

Another suggestion, Jon. You (and particularly your parents) can't replace all of the family photos and keepsakes that are gone, but no doubt you have friends, neighbors, and maybe relatives living elsewhere who are offering their help but don't really know what to do for you. Here's something they can do: Ask them to give you copies of photos they have of you guys or mementos of activities/events you shared and that would be meaningful to your family. Is there a photo album at Grandma's house? Have a copy made. It'll be hard to build your spirits and home again, but that's one way to get back a little bit of what you have lost.

[pseudobrit]

I am trying to help out my co-worker cause he recently found out his wife slept with his best friend

I worked with an older guy years ago (he was in his late 60s) whose wife cheated on him with his best friend. He came home early one day and his buddy's Porsche was parked out front.

He told me he was pissed at the time (naturally) but if he ran into the guy today he'd shake his hand and thank him. Said it was the "best favor anyone ever did for me."

Everything in perspective.

[iGary]

And P.S. you should be able to get in touch with the State Department and get an expedited Passport.

I've done it.

[iJon]

Some new interesting things on the topic. I drove back home today to discuss with my parents. My neighborhood is pretty wealthy so we many types of help being offered. One neighbor owns a trucking company so he brought over a semi to load the remaining things from the garage that could be salvaged. My next door neighbor owns all the Sonics in our area and told my parents they can eat for free for as long as they need.

This is where it gets real interesting. I live in a somewhat big area, basically you can get to anywhere in about 10-20 minute driving time depending on traffic. That night there was no traffic. I left my fraternity and going about 80 I managed to turn a 10 minute trip into a 3 minute trip to my house. Now we "barely" live out of the city limits, just by a tad. We are still considered Fayetteville residents. I made one mistake in my blog entry cause I misunderstood my mom. It didn't take 15 minutes for them to get there, it took 50- 1 hour to get there. Why you ask, becuase the department for the city less than a half a mile from my house was never dispatched. Instead the local voluneer Fire Department for a "very very" small town was dispatched who are located at least 20 miles out in the middle of no where. This frustrates me to no end. My parents are looking into it and I hope it turns into a lawsuit. In 50 minutes I can drive to the Oklahoma border and go gamble at the casino's but the town I pay tax dollars to can't make a 60 second trip in no traffic to put out a fire. I'm sure many of you can understand my frustration, and if you don't then damn, I don't know then.

jon

[Doctor Q]

Why did that happen? Any idea?

Who first called 911?

[iJon]

Why did that happen? Any idea?

Who first called 911?
I have no idea, it makes no absolute sense. The only thing I can think of is that Fayetteville FD felt they weren't obligated to come cause we were a tad out. But that doesn't make sense of any emergency response team. My mom called 911 as soon as the woke up and saw the flames. Left the house and NOTHING showed up for 1 hour. Unbelievable if you ask me.

jon

[jefhatfield]

i feel so bad for what happened to you

it seems that the posters on this thread see where you are coming from

where i grew up, one of the neighbors' houses was ten feet outside of the city limits so the city fire department just watched the backyard, a 40-100 ft. forested lot, just burn down because it was the jurisdiction of the county fire department who was stationed many miles away

by the time the county fire department arrived, the backyard forest was burned down...it makes no sense that the city fire department a half a mile away couldn't do anything...they just waited for the fire to cross into city limits which it never did so the damage was complete

today, more than fifty years later, the backyard is still a forested lot and everything has grown back and these days the city fire department has the jusrisdiction to put a fire out if it ever broke out there again

[Doctor Q]

When I was little, my parents owned a rental property up in the mountains. We stayed there ourselves many times, and kept our own music, decorations, and trinkets there. One day we got word that our next-door neighbor had left hot fireplace ashes in a metal pail on the porch, the top had blown off, and their unit and ours had both burned to the ground. The only thing left of our unit was the shell of the fireplace and a thoroughly blackened teapot.

Insurance (and maybe a suit against the neighbor responsible) paid for most of the cost of rebuilding, as far as I remember, but I remember how bad we felt about the possessions inside. Having your primary residence go up in flames is much, much worse.

[PlaceofDis]

im so sorry to hear what happened iJon, i know words cannot replace your possestions or your losses, but remember that life does go on, its hard as you know, but there is no reason to give up. Keep your head up and you will come out a better person in the end. I wish you and your family the best in these troubled times, and remember that you always have a community of friends in us as well. i really wish there was something more tangible that i could do to help.....be glad that your family is okay though, that is really what is important now. i am not a particularly religious person myself, but i will be keeping you in my thoughts which in the way that i look at the world i hope will help.

[7on]

My house burned down in 2001. Didn't phase me too much though :shrug:

[Blurb]

I'm so sorry you and your family are having to go thru this nightmare right now. To lose your one and only home and all the memories and comfort it contains is horrible. It shakes your very world and beliefs.

And you are right. At your young age, you are having to go thru much more sadness/loss/grief than most people do in their entire lifetime. But, even still, less than others will go thru. Your mention of your pending trip to Thailand brings up thoughts of all those people who lost their home, possessions, and most importantly their family/loved ones in the tsunami. Sometimes thinking of the loss others have struggled thru helps keep our own losses in perspective.

In my personal beliefs, I feel that our time here on earth IS our heaven or hell. The hard times make us stronger and better in the long run. The trick is to recognize when the good times really are. Not when you have the most or the best material things. But when you feel the warm sunshine hit your skin and smell the sweet breezes of spring. Or those special moments with your ferrets, like the irreplacable memory spent with them on their last morning with you. It is typically the more difficult route in life to learn, strengthen and better oneself when the times are hard.

I'm glad you knew to turn to us here when you needed some solice. I hope our words soothe some of your hurt. I can offer plenty of virtual hugs and strong shoulders to lean on. You've got the hard work of coming out of this whole. I do believe you've got a reason for being here, and will realize that some day. Stay strong.

[iJon]

Here is a pic. My dad is going to be on the news tonight cause everyone is curious on why the city wouldn't show up. Fire Marshall for Fayetteville didn't answer any reporter calls. I think this could get real interesting.

jon

[wdlove]

Here is a pic. My dad is going to be on the news tonight cause everyone is curious on why the city wouldn't show up. Fire Marshall for Fayetteville didn't answer any reporter calls. I think this could get real interesting.

jon

Who was it that showed up an hour after your mother called 911? My parents lived out in the country, but there was a responsible fire department.

[iJon]

Who was it that showed up an hour after your mother called 911? My parents lived out in the country, but there was a responsible fire department.
We live about a block away from the city limits. Fayetteville Fire Department didn't come, and they are no more than a mile away, possibly 60 seconds. Instead Goshen ( a very very small town) Volunteer Fire Department was dispatched. They had to wake up in their homes, drive to the station, get suited up and then drive 20 miles to get to us. Our whole neighborhood was under the impression they (Fay.) would take care of us in these situations. They pick up our trash and all those other city incentives. If they changed their policy they didn't bother to inform us. They have a very angry neighborhood looking for answers. I even expect they Insurnace company to get involved because them having to pay all this money for our house and knowing that the FD didn't come probably doesn't make them to happy.

jon

[tpjunkie]

Sorry I'm a little late, but you have my condolences; you've been through some rough **** man, I remember last year when you posted about the accident; I remember when I was reading it how trying to imagine something like that was impossible for me; I hope you make it through all this ok.

[Earendil]

I know this isn't much consolation now, but perhaps if you keep it in the back of you mind and you try and push forward, you will learn, and become stronger.
I'll start with some quotes:

"It's not the critic who counts; not the man who points out where the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiently; whose errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without shortcoming; who does actually try to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasm , the great devotion, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the very worst if he fails, he fail while daring greatly."
~ Theodore Roosevelt

"The ultimate measure of a person is not where one stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where one stands at times of challenge and controversy."
~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr]

"History has demonstrated that the most notable winners usually encountered heart breaking obstacles before they triumphed. They won because they refused to become discouraged by their defeats."
~ B C Forbes

“if you're going through hell...keep going”
~ Winston Churchill

I have not yet learned of a man who led the easy life, and when pushed, made a name for himself. To the contrary, most the greatest people faced incredible pain and suffering growing up. yet they overcame, didn't give up, pushed on, and learned as much as they could from it. And when the time came in their adult life to show their true worth, they knew how, because they had already faced it.

~Tyler

[iJon]

I like those quotes, very positive and uplifting. My family and I are doing real well now. The initial shock is pretty much over. We are still going to sift through the rubble to find my mom's wedding rings. They have decided to build on that land because we love our neighborhood so much. We talk with the insurnace company tomorrow. Things are looking real good, my mom found our insurance information and everything will be fine, just the memories. I will be buying some new things tomorrow and getting my passport issue taken care of. Just my anger that night resulted in my blog entry, I'm in a whole new mind state now. My anger lies with the city and their poor execution and their bulls*** policies. Now I will start making a list of things lost in the fire.

Note: A little advice I would like to recommend to all homeowners. These are two things to consider that I have heard my parents discuss. Take a video camera and just film everything in your house and put it in a safe place thats not in the house like a bank. It's really hard to think of everything you lost plus it will you help you out in the insurance aspect. Also if you have very important documents and lots of things like that, consider getting a gun safe, a large one cause you can damn near anything in it. Just a consideration.

jon

[Doctor Q]

Thanks for the tip. I did go around with the camcorder once, but it's very out of date. You've reminded me that it's time to make another fine flick showing our possessions. And I guess it would be smart to keep a copy of our insurance policies somewhere else.

[EGT]

I know this isn't much consolation now, but perhaps if you keep it in the back of you mind and you try and push forward, you will learn, and become stronger.
I'll start with some quotes:

"It's not the critic who counts; not the man who points out where the strong man stumbled or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiently; whose errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without shortcoming; who does actually try to do the deeds; who knows the great enthusiasm , the great devotion, and spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the very worst if he fails, he fail while daring greatly."
~ Theodore Roosevelt

"The ultimate measure of a person is not where one stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where one stands at times of challenge and controversy."
~ Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr]

"History has demonstrated that the most notable winners usually encountered heart breaking obstacles before they triumphed. They won because they refused to become discouraged by their defeats."
~ B C Forbes

“if you're going through hell...keep going”
~ Winston Churchill

I have not yet learned of a man who led the easy life, and when pushed, made a name for himself. To the contrary, most the greatest people faced incredible pain and suffering growing up. yet they overcame, didn't give up, pushed on, and learned as much as they could from it. And when the time came in their adult life to show their true worth, they knew how, because they had already faced it.

~Tyler

niiiiceeee post. A prime example of the above is Mr Jobs ... ;)

[emw]

Thanks for the tip. I did go around with the camcorder once, but it's very out of date. You've reminded me that it's time to make another fine flick showing our possessions. And I guess it would be smart to keep a copy of our insurance policies somewhere else.Great advice. I had done something similar about 4 years ago, but things are completely different now. We're also looking at a fire-proof safe to store in the basement with important stuff. I suppose we should get a safe-deposit box at our bank to keep copies of photos and stuff like that.

iJon - I was almost moved to tears at your original post. I'm sure everyone who's read this has had some sort of tragedy that they can reflect upon in reading this, but it's difficult to put some things into the proper perspective. I can only imagine the pain, and I'm glad you're feeling better. It's too bad more of us aren't in Arkansas - I'm sure we'd set up a good MR boarding house for you!

[Blurb]

[QUOTE=Earendil]I know this isn't much consolation now, but perhaps if you keep it in the back of you mind and you try and push forward, you will learn, and become stronger.
I'll start with some quotes....

~Snip~

Tyler, that is an outstanding group of quotes! Thank you for your post.

iJon-

Glad to hear things aren't so grim now as they were. Your situation with the lack of response of the nearest fire dept. causing a total loss of your home occurred here in Orlando a few years ago. Yes, right here in the middle of suburbia! Let's just say that lawsuits were filed against the non-responding FD and it's town or county ownership, and laws have since been changed to keep this from ever happening again here.

Wish you and your family only the best with your healing and rebuilding ahead of you.

[iJon]

[QUOTE=Earendil]I know this isn't much consolation now, but perhaps if you keep it in the back of you mind and you try and push forward, you will learn, and become stronger.
I'll start with some quotes....

~Snip~

Tyler, that is an outstanding group of quotes! Thank you for your post.

iJon-

Glad to hear things aren't so grim now as they were. Your situation with the lack of response of the nearest fire dept. causing a total loss of your home occurred here in Orlando a few years ago. Yes, right here in the middle of suburbia! Let's just say that lawsuits were filed against the non-responding FD and it's town or county ownership, and laws have since been changed to keep this from ever happening again here.

Wish you and your family only the best with your healing and rebuilding ahead of you.
Interesting. I was watching the news today and they talked with the Fire Marshall. I was very frustated with the report. He basically it said it was our own job to research the policy and realize it's an extra amount of money each year to have them to come and it's pretty much our own fault. What gets me is that this has never been discussed. Our whole neighborhood has been under the impression that they would come, none of this research and other ******** they are discussing now. One year ago our smoke alarm went off to something silly and guess what, Fayetteville FD was there in no less than two minutes. It's very odd and none of it makes sense. We have to insurance people flying into town tomorrow and we will see what happens. Even two larger local newspapers are getting involved in the situation as more and more people are getting worried. We aren't looking for money or anything cause we will get plenty from the insurance, we are just trying to protect our friends in our neighborhood from this ever happening again.

jon

[SodaPopMonster]

Ugh,I remember your crash post too...

This is starting to get interesting....Please update us when you can!

monster


P.S.- Think of it this way-Avnish is taking very good care of you ferrets for you ;)

[iJon]

As soon as the newspapers online site posts our story I will post a link. They were much more informative then they dumb news reporters. I think they are just pretty people who know how to read cue cards, at least these people were.

Another odd thing. I just found out today that one of the head of the Fayetteville Fire Department is my fraternity brothers father. I don't know what we will say to each other but we will see.

jon

More Pics: http://homepage.mac.com/j.taylor/PhotoAlbum35.html

[Doctor Q]

More Pics...Those are horrifying.

What kept the fire from spreading to neighbors' houses? I've seen where fires here in southern California have jumped across highways and firebreaks. Given how long they took to respond, were those houses spared because of the distance between homes or was there no wind to speak of?

[madoka]

Seriously, you need to chill out. Cursing God like that is meaningless. Rather than dwell on your negatives, think how grateful you really should be. I mean, yeah, you lost your passport so now your trip to Thailand is in jeparody. Boo hoo. Your house burned down, but the insurance will build you a new one. Maybe I'm just in a prissy mood, but I've counseled people in far worse situations than you can even begin to comprehend and they took it with much greater maturity and dignity than you are showing. In a past job, I worked with the poorest, most neglected people in Oakland. You get to go to college, own expensive computer(s), hell, you're family apparently has a 40foot motor home to still in. You and your family are healthy. Yeah, your life must be hell. Go ahead and curse God. Curse the universe for your poor plight.

I don't mean to sound this harsh, but a lot of people in this country do not appreciate what they have. You've had your losses, but dwell on them and what kind of person will you become. Rather than cursing God, how about thanking him for no one being injured or killed. For a place for your family to stay. For home owner's insurance. Etc.

Again, I am sorry for your loss, but get a grip. I know I'm sounding mean, but not too long ago, I had a friend tell me that his mother jumped in front of a truck to end her life. He was balling to me and in his sorrow, he was stammering out his thankfulness to God for giving his mother peace. When I compare your attitude with my friend's. . . well you see where I'm coming from.

[CanadaRAM]

Another odd thing. I just found out today that one of the head of the Fayetteville Fire Department is my fraternity brothers father. I don't know what we will say to each other but we will see.

How about "Hi Bro'?"

Who his Dad is doesn't alter the relationship between the two of you, unless one of you chooses to make it an issue. Don't sweat it - you have plenty else to command your attention at the moment.

Lawsuits, etc. are just a sideshow to the real business of your life, let the insurance people handle it and concentrate on what's most important to you.

Peace
Trevor

[CanadaRAM]

Seriously, you need to chill out. Cursing God like that is meaningless. Rather than dwell on your negatives, think how grateful you really should be. I mean, yeah, you lost your passport so now your trip to Thailand is in jeparody. Boo hoo.
Yeah, a bit harsh madoka

Read the rest of the posts and you'll see that iJon has worked through a lot of the emotional reaction to the death of his pets and loss of the mementos of his entire childhood (which if I were to editorialize, were the main causes of his grief) and is putting it back together very well (with some encouragement from the MR crowd cheering from the sidelines).

This isn't about "my reaction is better or worse than yours" or "my tragedy sucked worse". This is about the human condition of denial/disbelief, anger/blame, grief, healing that we go through with any loss.

Do you seriously think that it is wrong to rage at God when something unexpected and unexplainable happens? That we should only find words of thanksgiving in any situation and censor any expressions of doubt or disappointment? That would be a world of mindless, blank zombies my friend. The light does not exist if you deny the existence of the dark.

If iJon's post offends your worldview, so be it, you are welcome to your views. But it is unkind to belittle someone else's.

[mymemory]

iJon

I really like when some one is shering something in here, of course is not that I look forward for those moments but it is ok.

I am 30 now, I do not know how old you are but in the last year I have learned that we all have a share of really bad experiences in our lives and obstacles that we have to superate. If there is a God, he created the obstacles at our exact measure for us to learn in the process of achieven them.

I have a aunt who suffers from some sort of paralisis and she is 70 something now, but for the last 10 years she have not being able to talk or move, she just watches the world around her with her eyes, just imagine that.

Your house got on fire and lost of memories were lost but trust me in a year for now everything is going to be ok even it seems a long time. You lost your trip but you will have plenty of chances to do another one.

In my case, you remember the threads about the german girl. I met her in 1992 and I dreamed of her since then and I saw her 11 years later, she came all the way from germany to visit me and I did with her all what I dreamed of. Imagine you waiting for 11 years for something from now.

Just keep goals, prepare yourself today for the near future.

I am here in the US and I left al my friends from Venezuela, no one here know who I am and of course they care less about me. I have to explaing again 300 times a day what my experience is profesionally. That is hard, is like starting from cero again. Back home I am a local hero still, here I am nothing and I am dealing with that.

2004 was hell, I was just looking for the way to kill myself in a non painful way, that is how depress I was in New York, no job, no friends, no money and the german girl invited me to germany to tell me she was inlove with another guy! that sucks!

I know where you are but in those times is when I recall the movie "the never ending story" when the princess is in the dark with sebastian andshe say to him "this is all what is left from Fantasia" and she gave him a grain of sand. We all have our moments when we just can not hold anything in our hands and everything is lost except for something, life. we are here, healthy and breathing, time to decide what we want to do. There is a prase from Jurasic Park when the old man say "life will find its way". And if you saw the incredibles remember the short movie at the beganing of the actuall movie where the cheep was jumping in the dessert.

I had a music teacher that told me once: Music is like the wave in the ocean, with sounds and silence and silence is part of the sounds. Right now you are in the lower part of the way, it will go up and down, tiem to meditate and start acting at same time, to show how tough you are and prepared for this life.

take care

rei

[Eevee]

I like to thank MyMemory for his sharing and encouragement. Life does go up and down. And many times, you don't have control of what's going on.

One movie that touched my heart is "Life is Beautiful." There are times when one doesn't want to go on. But one has to look at the brighter side of life and continue on, even when it's painful to proceed foward.

Take care iJon.

[iJon]

As for Doctor, our houses are on large 2 acre lots, there was no way it was going to catch anything else on fire.

As for Madoka, I don't really care what you have to say. Yeah I may have it better than most. When you think of it everyone has it better than someone else so big deal. I know people on this forum who would cry if they dropped their PowerBook on the ground. I know people who would cry if a squirrel was ran over. In reality, we live for ourselves and life is what we make of it. Just because you find my problems and hatred and disasters miniscule doesn't mean they dont' mean anything to me. It's how these problems affect my life and mind personall which result in how I react. If there is someone else whose problems are far worse than whats the point of me even waking up in the morning and trying to make life enjoyable and restart. Why don't just my family go live in a shack and enjoy our life. It was our house, our memories, our beautiful yard with play with grandchildren and our pets, that sense of comfort, that feeling when you know your in your own house. Yeah they are things, they are the things that make this life great. Granted my family and are given the chance to live a new day but doesn't make this situation anything to blow over just cause someone else in the world has it worse. We will have it all again but we must start our memories over, for they are only in our minds now.

Canada, thank you for your post, it was full of comfort which is what I enjoy about this board.

jon

[Kwyjibo]

Again, I am sorry for your loss, but get a grip. I know I'm sounding mean, but not too long ago, I had a friend tell me that his mother jumped in front of a truck to end her life. He was balling to me and in his sorrow, he was stammering out his thankfulness to God for giving his mother peace. When I compare your attitude with my friend's. . . well you see where I'm coming from.

I think you need to chill out and sit back. First off it sounds like these things happend to your friends and people you know / counseled ...NOT YOU. I don't care how many times you see something, I don't truly believe that you can comprehend tragedy until you experience it. In fact I think the fact that you have worked with it has made you callous. I know iJon a little bit, and my first reaction was never that his family is going poor ... or going to be destroyed by this. John is not asking God or anyone on this form to pity him, he's expressing anger. just anger. He's confused I would be even more confused.

Next off, part of Jon's anger is due to the fact that he's had a string of ****** luck. I mean last fall he was driving a car where he killed on of his passengers ... now whether it was his fault. He will probably never know that but he takes a share of the blame which is more than natural, it was his car and he was driving, he's taken a year to deal with that alone. And not only did he lose one friend who died, he is no longer close to the kids brother, so he lost two friends in the accident, one permantnetly. Your friend, He can but probably shouldn't take a share of blame for his mother's suicide BUT JON WAS DIRECTLY INVOVLED the blame is much more apparent, and I know that on paper he should feel much worse.

If i were jon I would feel like maybe god did test me with the crash and this was pushing it. Sit back let the guy be angry for now, as things unfold he will relax and hopefully understand this is not God's fault and he did nothing to start it or stop it. Anger is a natural reaction as long as he doesn't hold on to it forever he will be fine.

[iJon]

Here is the news article. This will provide everyone with some more information.

http://www.nwanews.com/story.php?paper=nwat&section=News&storyid=27538

jon

[Kenrik]

What can I say that sucks... I have had much, much worse happen in my life, but it never made me want to give up, rather it keeps me going and I learn from it. dude if you want to be all boohoo about it great... I just don't think that's a way to live. at least you still have your parents...

[PlaceofDis]

thank you for posting the article.... so is there any chance of Fayette coming to your aid or are they covering their butts? Is your family going to persue action against them?

[stubeeef]

I would think between the "thing that blewup" manufacturer and the "local" fire department goof, that the next house will be a bit bigger and nicer. I know that it won't heal all of the loss, but sounds like a decent lawyer and his insurance company will have some avenues to explore.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Dear iJon,

I came in late in this thread.

My sympathies. May you find strength and peace during these trying times. This is a nightmare that many of us never want visited upon them.

You have humbled me. As some may know, my lover and I have been through some tough times in the past year and a half. It has led to our separating (divorcing) after 13 years. I thought the pain I was feeling was bad, till you taught me that there are those that have suffered worse.

We each go through our pain and trails. When the going gets tough, I remember what many a friend tried to comfort me with - That God never gives you more than you can handle at one, it just seems that way.

Your life experience over the last year or so may make you feel that you are God's hacky-sack. Far from it. We are all God's children. As such he wants only the best for us. At least IMO, as long as we live by the "Big Ten".

Sorry if I get a bit preachy here. But at one point I was "pre-seminary" (don't ask - it i web site blog unto itself). I am one that believes that God has plans for us. Sometimes they are clear cut, other times they are more ambiguous. Who is to say that your trials are not meant to put my trials in to perspective, and there by serve some greater good?

I am reminded of this story:


One night a man had a dream.
He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the LORD.
Across the sky flashed scenes from his life.
For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand:
one belonging to him, and the other to the LORD.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him
he looked back, at the footprints in the sand.
He noticed that many times along the path of his life
there was only one set of footprints.
He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times of his life.

This really bothered him and he questioned the LORD about it:
"LORD, you said that once I decided to follow you,
you'd walk with me all the way.
But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life
there is only one set of footprints.
I don't understand why when I needed you most you would leave me."

The LORD replied:
"My son, My precious child, I love you and I would never leave you,
During your times of trial and suffering,
when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you."

Author unknown

What this means to me at least, that a person of Faith may have given up. What ever that may mean. Instead you are trying to make sense of the hardship that God has given you. Even after this latest blow, it seems that you still have Faith. Even as deep down it seem gone.

Maybe it is me, but I would be thankful that everyone was safe. I, like you and so many others have things that money can't buy. But here again I am reminded of lessons from others. My Aunt Helen was forced to give up her possessions in order to get the care she needed. I mentioned how sorry I was for her having to do that. Her feelings were, "as long as they can't take my memories away from me".

Some times things happen that we can't explain (look at the posts from EGT, Les Kern, and others). Like Les, I too lost people close to me in short order back in '92 (my Dad just a week after my birthday, and my uncle who was like a father to me just days before Christmas. {Believe me nothing brings one closer to the brink - maybe save your situation - than to drive back home on Chrsitmas Day listening to every station on the Turnpike playing "I'll be home for Christmas" - when you realize that the family "home" will be sold off).

(Sorry, going through the posts one at a time and responding to the points that I feel I need to).

You said that in so many words about forsaking God. i think the words were "f*****g God". But I sense it was God that gave you the strength to get past the other trials in your life. Don't forsake him, as you may feel that He has done to you. For what you and your parents have gone through may be part of of His plan for you all. It is not ours to question, but to try and see ow it fits in to His plan. Who knows it may be to set up a charity for those that suffer a loss like yours, but without insurance.

Or maybe in reading further it is in God's plans to make the Fayetteville Fire Department more responsible when calls come in. Be thankful that your parents are safe. I know about your ferrets, I would be beside myself if my Chewey was lost in such a disaster. I ache for him during my lover's and I break-up.

You had great advice about recording belongings. I have recommended to my customers that they keep copies with their insurance agent, at the home, and at least in the safety deposit box. i will add that if you don't have receipts - be sure to keep the manuals and/or the boxes of the belongs where possible.

In the end I hope that your Faith in God has been restored. I know it is difficult at this point. But given what you have been through in your short life, I can only assume the greatness that the Lord has in store for you, if you give Him the chance. Just take the lessons you have been given, and you will be able to make the world that much of better place.

Hugs, prayers, and future peace to you and yours. You all are in my prayers and thoughts. Many tanks for the reality check in my own life.

Chip

[stubeeef]

Nice job Chip.

[Chip NoVaMac]

Nice job Chip.

(Thanks and I would hope that you will allow some further words here.)

Stu, no thanks are needed or wanted. As a person of Faith, I do believe that I have been "tested" time and time gain. In some ways like iJon's situation, I would wonder about my Faith too. Then there are those situations like you and I talked privately about, that I can only hope and pray that God gives me the personal strength to get through.

I just hope that iJon has not lost his total Faith in God. For what he has been through in the last year or two can only make him stronger for God's will and plans - if he is willing to accept the challenges.

I did not mention this in the previous post. But it also has been said to me that when times seem to get rough, just remember Jesus' 40 days and 40 nights in the desert with the Devil. IOf he could survive that, surely we can handle the troubles that God gives us.

Before some think other wise, no I have not gone "Christian Right" on you all. No, instead there are core beliefs, and my Faith that I was brought up with - that sustains me today.

As I said I was a "pre-seminary" student. And as one that believes in God, Faith, and Christianity - I do feel a need/desire/obligation to try and comfort those that feel God has forsaken them, as iJon has felt.

For if iJon had not used the words along the line of "f*****g God", or any other religious reference - I would have been more than happy to give my sympathies and prayers. And that is it. But he brought Faith in to it. And Faith, for any one that believes in some sort of God is a shame to waste.

And given his past experiences, God has give him a plan. Whether one supports that idea or not. We may not know it. It could be as simple as him giving away his household belongings to a family that loses all in a similar situation. Maybe it is as simple that the troubles we are having (as is in my case) are trivial in the end; giving some solace whether he knows it or not - for the troubles that some are going through - just as I feel I am.

iJon and I have chatted in private emails in the past. Just as any one of the members here on MR my heart goes out to him. And if it were in my power or capability (it seems that all is OK there), I would be the first (I hope) to offer assistance.

The assistance that I see is Spiritual and in Faith. I hope that iJon does not loose either. It does seem that as time has passed that iJon has gained a better perspective on what has happened.

In the end the greatest gift of his experience may be that we are not alone. That God does work in mysterious ways. And that we may never fully understand His plans, till we get to the "reward" in heaven. It is a long journey. In the end, we just have to have faith.

Chip

[iJon]

What can I say that sucks... I have had much, much worse happen in my life, but it never made me want to give up, rather it keeps me going and I learn from it. dude if you want to be all boohoo about it great... I just don't think that's a way to live. at least you still have your parents...
If you have read my threads throught out this you would understand my feelings. I wrote that blog entry 2 hours after I sat in the grass and watched my house burn down. F*** yeah I was boo hoo, my ferrets, cats and memories all perished away before my eyes. As the days pass ( and you can tell by my posts) I became more calm. The initial shock has waved over and things are getting better. I filled out my forms to have a company expedite my passport so I can leave in a few weeks. I went to Best Buy and picked up a new camera and will be buying a new suitcase and some new clothes. My parents are looking for houses to rent for the time being while they decide if they want to rebuild or sell the land and buy a new house.

Everything is slowly getting on track, it's just every day you think of one other irreplaceable thing. Am I mad at God, who knows. I don't know because I don't know if I believe in him. And everytime I tell myself I believe in God it's because I'm scared not too. i'm sure a few can relate

In other news I talked with my fraternity brother. He really didn't know what to say. One side of him has a good friend who is in this situation. Other side is his dad which has all eyes on him and things aren't looking good.

As for lawsuits, if I remember correctly cities are immune to many lawsuits, including the Fire Department. Right now all that is happening is a bunch of finger pointing, as you can tell from the news article. I will keep you guys posted as the days go on about the story. My family isn't even interested in suing, the insurance company is taking more than good care of us. We just want to get things corrected for all our loved neighbors so maybe their house was a sacrificed.

On a side note I don't think the house could be saved. We had such strong winds that night, the house was a goner in my opinion.

jon

[stubeeef]

iJon, sounds like you are wrapping your mind around this experience and will be stronger for it, not that you won't feel angry and sad, but in the end stronger.

Chip, i didn't say thanks, just nice job, chapter 2 was good too! Should I get you signed up with Rev Falwell? :eek:

[Chip NoVaMac]

iJon, sounds like you are wrapping your mind around this experience and will be stronger for it, not that you won't feel angry and sad, but in the end stronger.

I think right you are.

It is hard to watch things go so terribly wrong in front of your eyes. It is comforting to me that time has healed some of the pain. I hope that you, iJon, realize that as other pains come to you that there are those that might be able to comfort you.

The concern that I have for you iJon right now is that you seem at "peace" with what has happened. But that you haven't yet mentioned about a renewed Faith in God as of yet.

Maybe it is too soon. Maybe we don't see the strength that He has built within you over this. To be honest, I do think that God has worked his way in to both our lives. For it is the adversity of yours that has given me the strength to work through mine (For I was told "formally" that tomorrow afternoon is the goodbye that I thought would never come.

By tomorrow afternoon, my lover of 13 years will pack his truck up with our "baby", Chewey (our joint dog), and head off to Florida or Nevada. I guess I will know if I ever get an email or letter. Not to hijack your thread, but this is a painful time. For I loved Teddy, unconditionally - until lately. And for Chewey, our 3 yo Lab-Chow mix, he is an innocent "pawn" - like almost any child - between "parents" that love him equally.

It has been said that what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger. You and I - among other posts - are living proof of that. In many ways this is testament of the 40 days and 40 nights in the desert. The reason for that point, is that for those that may feel God or Faith has little point in their lives we all have some connection to core beliefs (I do not chastise or hold those that hold non-secular beliefs in a lower regard - for I believe as long as the basic tenants are understood - then society is better off).

For you iJon, and I (maybe) are better able to go out and make a difference. Since "Star Wars" fever is among us, "I feel that the Force is strong" with you. :)

Chip, i didn't say thanks, just nice job, chapter 2 was good too! Should I get you signed up with Rev Falwell? :eek:

I know that thanks was not directly given. But I understood where the words of thanks were coming from.

I "blush" at your words. I think that you know me from my other posts, I am not on to wear my Beliefs on my sleeve generally. And on MR I try to keep my Faith more private.

It just bothers me that iJon has looked upon his "tests" as being a failure of God. That I might just be God's "hacky-sack" or maybe just some cruel "joke". For those that might read this thread and try to glean something from it - God or a higher power and/or being works in ways we do no know of.

Tonight, I could have been at the lowest point in my life, given my lover of 13+ years is packing his truck tomorrow.He is "taking" our "child" (our dog) - and heading to parts unknown. But in the end I find solace in "But for the Grace of God, do I".

In the end I see no reason to "sign up" with Farwell. For I hope what I have shared is deep within each of us. I don't believe in "preaching" fear or damnation. But a story that gives hope in times of trouble, on of of happiness and salvation, whatever that means to the individual. I think that iJon and I may have reached that stage, I can only hp[e and pray.

[Chip NoVaMac]

I wanted to say that the words of comfort provided b EGT were spot on.

I am sure that iJon, I, and others will find some comfort with with the troubles of life - as we travel this wonderful journey.

[PlaceofDis]

Chip, i am sorry to hear about your loss as well.....

i am glad to hear that iJon is dealing with his problems well, and coming to grips with what has happened. Time does help when it comes to things like this. Focusing your energies into a certain area of your life always helps as well. While it is said that iJon has perhaps lost his faith or is stuggling with it, it happens, i know all to well myself, but thats another story for another place. Chip, it is warming to know that you are not letting your other half get the best of you in this type of situation. Your a strong person, and you have many strong words of advice. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and words, they have brightened my day even if i dont share the same faith in god as i once had, but your words do give me some hope in a weird way.

iJon, stay strong, hang in their. Dont let this get to you, which i think you are doing a good job of already. focus on the future and you will get through this

ok im done ranting for now

[absolut_mac]

Sorry about your loss.

Remember that the darkest clouds precede the brightest days.

[stubeeef]

chip the falwell thing was slapstick, you know that. I see that tonight will be long, I am very sorry and sad for you. In every bad time I have faced I read Psalm 27 v 1 and 2. Doesn't give answers just armor. Same for you iJon, won't kill ya to look it up when you get a chance.

Good night gang.

[Chip NoVaMac]

chip the falwell thing was slapstick, you know that. I see that tonight will be long, I am very sorry and sad for you. In every bad time I have faced I read Psalm 27 v 1 and 2. Doesn't give answers just armor. Same for you iJon, won't kill ya to look it up when you get a chance.

Good night gang.

Not to draw some in to Bible study here, but I do think that Psalm 28 may have more meaning for some of us. Peace.

Chip

[iJon]

New news in the situation. You might want to read what Assistant Chief Doss said in that newspaper article to understand my anger from what I am about to post.

Anyways, here is the neww, basically two things to say.

1. The Fire Chief today resigned. He was already dealing with some other lawsuits, I think the situation with my house just topped it off for him and decided to get about before the ugly gets uglier.

2.My mom called our security company today. Fayetteville Fire Department were the first people called, just minutes after the fire. Fayetteville told them they would not come and they need to call Goshen.

You can understand my frustration. No more finger pointing anymore. They lied to the papers, us and now look what's happened.

jon

[PlaceofDis]

New news in the situation. You might want to read what Assistant Chief Doss said in that newspaper article to understand my anger from what I am about to post.

Anyways, here is the neww, basically two things to say.

1. The Fire Chief today resigned. He was already dealing with some other lawsuits, I think the situation with my house just topped it off for him and decided to get about before the ugly gets uglier.

2.My mom called our security company today. Fayetteville Fire Department were the first people called, just minutes after the fire. Fayetteville told them they would not come and they need to call Goshen.

You can understand my frustration. No more finger pointing anymore. They lied to the papers, us and now look what's happened.

jon

wow :eek: i can certainly understand your parents and yourself being upset about this!! i would keep going until this is all settled. Hopefully with someone new in the Commissioner seat things will be handled better for your family. Still wishing you the best of course, try not to let your anger get too high.

[iJon]

wow :eek: i can certainly understand your parents and yourself being upset about this!! i would keep going until this is all settled. Hopefully with someone new in the Commissioner seat things will be handled better for your family. Still wishing you the best of course, try not to let your anger get too high.
My mom just informed me of something else. Basically someone told her it took them an hour to get there when that wasn't the case. It took Goshen 15 minutes to arrive (all documented with the Security Company). My mom feels terrible cause it's what was written in the paper but she is doing all in her effort to get the reporters to do a new story and make the correction. We have nothing but the upper most respect for our Volunteer Fire Department and want to make them look as good as possible. As for Fayetteville, I want them to look as bad as possible so this problem gets fixed and possibly another house can be saved.

But still. We will always wonder what 15min vs. 2min could of done in saving our house. Possibly ferrets making it, pictures surviving. From what I've been told by people, every minute counts in a fire.

jon

[Drgnhntr]

My mom just informed me of something else. Basically someone told her it took them an hour to get there when that wasn't the case. It took Goshen 15 minutes to arrive (all documented with the Security Company). My mom feels terrible cause it's what was written in the paper but she is doing all in her effort to get the reporters to do a new story and make the correction. We have nothing but the upper most respect for our Volunteer Fire Department and want to make them look as good as possible. As for Fayetteville, I want them to look as bad as possible so this problem gets fixed and possibly another house can be saved.

But still. We will always wonder what 15min vs. 2min could of done in saving our house. Possibly ferrets making it, pictures surviving. From what I've been told by people, every minute counts in a fire.

jon

I am sorry to hear of your loss. I only had one bit of advice to add on top of all the other wonderful support given. In your last post you wonder what if they got their sooner. I can totally understand why you would go through "what if's", but it won't really help you. It will eat you up inside and it won't change one bit what has happened to you and your family. Nothing can, and the sooner you realize that the better off you will be. The possible lawsuits, finger pointing, and political stuff that is going on will only keep you upset and angry. If the insurance has taken of your home and possessions, move on and leave the rest of the stuff to them. That is their job, not yours. I think your family has done all you can do by bringing attention to this problem in your area, and it seems that attention has been paid. Good job. Now you and your family need to start putting this behind you.

[Doctor Q]

Fire departments spend so much time handling false alarms and non-fire situations such as medical emergencies that you'd think Fayetteville FD would be glad to put out a fire just down the street.

[Drgnhntr]

Fire departments spend so much time handling false alarms and non-fire situations such as medical emergencies that you'd think Fayetteville FD would be glad to put out a fire just down the street.

Unfortunately crews don't know what calls are false alarms until they get there. When my uncle was a fire/medic if the alarm went off they didn't find out what was going on until they were in the truck and ready to go. They would not have cared where the city line was, they would have responded unless told by a superior not to. I would think that the actual firefighters in the closest station never got the call.

I would be careful not to smear the fire crew in general. It sounds like the fire chief made the call or dispatch, and that is it. Well, that's my two cents anyways.

[cr2sh]

Life gets a lot easier when you accept the fact, that God, religion, life-after death... all that **** are lies. The simple fact is you will die alone and nothing can stop that.

One day you will close your eyes. They will put you in a box. They will seal it shut. They will bury you in the ground.

There is nothing anyone can do about it. So stop fighting it.

Life is a series of events. Capitalism, communism, socialism, catholicism. We covet different things.. but they all sum to zero.

Accept it. Realize that everything you want, long for, and fight against... you already are. Give up. Accept it.

You've worked hard and lost. That sucks, but you're on your way to die... so enjoy this last ten minutes.

[MarkCollette]

Dear Jon,

Life can be sh*t sometimes and for some people it can be even sh*tter. Not only have you lost your friend you have lost your house and your pets. Let no one tell you how trivial the lives of your ferrets were, because they should be respected as much as any other creature.

I want to make it clear to you, I do not believe in God. I wouldn't call myself an atheist but nor would I say I'm religious. Please do not get angry with what I am about to say and give me the courtesy as to read what I am about to right.

Do not blame God. It is a common misrepresentation of many churches that God has a direct effect on our lives. He does not. This theory that "it's part of his plan" is just as you say - stupid. It clearly states that the World was created for us and we were given free will in the Bible. It is therefore the fault of our own if there is anything bad in the world. People who say "where was god" during 9/11 are using him as a scapegoat. Something I cannot believe I'm hearing after reading the Passion narratives where Jesus was himself used as a scapegoat.

Man, do not hate god, for he has done nothing wrong and you are just finding someone to blame. The house burning down was an accident, not God trying to tell you something. When life knocks you down the only thing we can do is get up and try again. You'll be admired a whole lot for it in the end not only by people but also by the "God," to which you keep referring.


I completely 100% agree with everything you wrote here, as well as below the next paragraph.


However, if you truely believe that it is God who is setting you back then please take time to read the book of "Job" for he was knocked back over and over again but remained faithful to God. In the end he was rewarded.

The story of Job is a good example of my theory that if the Christian god does exist, it is a psycho. First off, God made a gamble with Satan about how much they could mess with Job, to see if he'd still be faithful to God.

That shows us that:
- Either God cannot see the future, or Satan does not believe God can.
- God must be vain enough that he's willing to allow/encourage the torture of his faithful to prove himself to his enemy.
- God does not value the lives of women, children, and animals, since he is willing to allow/encourage their torture and death in endless cycles, as long as the man (job) survives, and God wins his contest with Satan.
- Job apparently could emotionally distance himself from the loss of his family, at each iteration of their destruction, as long as he got more/better family and possessions in the next iteration. If this is the kind of individual who sticks with God through thick and thin, them I am glad I am not that kind of person.
- Since the Bible stories are written by man, but inspired by God, then God would want people to head this story as an example of his nature, which is that God is a psycho.


I don't believe that there is a god, nor that he intervenes in our lives, but the book of Job clearly shows that God is 100% willing to mess with our lives and destroy them for dubious reasons. If this guy here is pissed off with God for his home burning down, who are we to defend "God's Plan", especially by quoting passages that prove God is an *******?

And finally, I am such a dick that in this guy's moment of pain, I felt the need to make a religious argument.

[iJon]

I would be careful not to smear the fire crew in general. It sounds like the fire chief made the call or dispatch, and that is it. Well, that's my two cents anyways.
Yeah I don't know which station it calls, which ever the main one is I assume. Either way, someone from Fayetteville basically said screw it, call Goshen.

Now our whole neighborhood is working on having our development annexed, which would include is all this city stuff and no more bulls***.

jon

[MarkCollette]

Again, I am sorry for your loss, but get a grip. I know I'm sounding mean, but not too long ago, I had a friend tell me that his mother jumped in front of a truck to end her life. He was balling to me and in his sorrow, he was stammering out his thankfulness to God for giving his mother peace. When I compare your attitude with my friend's. . . well you see where I'm coming from.

Your friend is a fool. The Bible says that his mother is going to hell, and will suffer for an eternity. If that's the "peace" that God gave, then there's no thanks to give.

I can understand if the Mom had a painful life, and he was glad she was free of that pain, that he would be glad, but this has nothing to do with God.

[iJon]

More pics: http://homepage.mac.com/j.taylor/PhotoAlbum35.html

As for news, not much. The fire people have discovered a fire pit in the neighborhood behind us that was burning that day. It was in direct line with our house with the way the winds were that night. They are investigating.

jon

[PlaceofDis]

More pics: http://homepage.mac.com/j.taylor/PhotoAlbum35.html

As for news, not much. The fire people have discovered a fire pit in the neighborhood behind us that was burning that day. It was in direct line with our house with the way the winds were that night. They are investigating.

jon

wow those are amazing pictures and very moving. Thank you for sharing them iJon. I Hope that they are able to get to the bottom of everything. I still can't get over the fence....

[iJon]

Just wanted to tell everyone thanks, whether they be comments or criticism. Most my anger and sadness was blown over. I still get mood swings when I think of something certina I don't have anymore. Seeing my mom cry at certain times probably has to be the hardest thing of all. Tomorrow is her birthday and I hope to make it special for her. I think I am going to go buy her a bunch of Beanie Babies tomorrow since she lost her huge collection, it will be something for her to start again.

Earlier today my neice came by work, she only about 2 years old, and asked where the ferrets were. I just smiled and told her they ran way and went to the woods.

We are still getting a lot of attention about the situation, a lot of politics involved. Which is good, hopefully things will get solved. My passport is being expedited as we speak and May 15 I'll be on a journey to Thailand for 3 weeks, it will be a nice way to relax and take in everything.

I'll be taking some more pictures soon and I will keep you guys posted on developing news on the situation.

Thanks again.

jon

[MmmPancakes]

Wow, this thread reads like a Dr. Phil extravaganza.

Or a celebration of metaphor.

I'm concerned that his house burned to the ground killing his pets and destroying his family's keepsakes, but that he is most concerned about not making being able to make his vacation in Thailand.

Since we're being shallow, maybe you can tell us if the Mac made it out alive?

Here's my token of Zen to you:

It wasn't the house burning down that was the problem -- it was the notion that you thought it never would.

[Mechcozmo]

Seriously, you need to chill out. Cursing God like that is meaningless. Rather than dwell on your negatives, think how grateful you really should be.
I think that iJon is pretty grateful, considering he and family are fine as well as dogs. However, wouldn't you be pissed if your pets died in a fire? And the whole G-d thing is debatable. If iJon believes in G-d, and G-d is supposed to protect you... then why did the house burn down, wiping out memories, etc.? This is something that can shake people's beliefs if they even had one. Just because you believe in a G-d, thats great. But not everyone has such blind faith. Some people have questions. I do, too.

I mean, yeah, you lost your passport so now your trip to Thailand is in jeparody. Boo hoo.
That was just one of many things. The trip to Thailand was something planned and was hoped for-- I doubt that iJon and family really wanted to give it up. Just like everything else. And a passport is useful for a lot more than traveling.

Maybe I'm just in a prissy mood, but I've counseled people in far worse situations than you can even begin to comprehend and they took it with much greater maturity and dignity than you are showing. In a past job, I worked with the poorest, most neglected people in Oakland. You get to go to college, own expensive computer(s), hell, you're family apparently has a 40foot motor home to still in. You and your family are healthy. Yeah, your life must be hell. Go ahead and curse God. Curse the universe for your poor plight.

Maybe you want to start counseling and helping instead of saying "you're well off, deal with it." From what I've read, iJon didn't mention any computers, etc. as a loss. But ferrets, cats, pictures and more memories. The motorhome was a roof over their heads, thankfully, not a "we have this so the house wasn't a big deal." Pictures are, to me, the biggest loss. The memories they hold. You seem to be unable to grasp the fact that iJon's house just burned to the friggin' ground.

I don't mean to sound this harsh, but a lot of people in this country do not appreciate what they have.
...and iJon seems to appreciate a fair amount of what he has. The loss of life (yes, pets are life) here is horrible. So look at what you said. You just told someone who watched their house burn down to get over it and stop crying because they can pay for it all and get over it.

I had a friend tell me that his mother jumped in front of a truck to end her life. He was balling to me and in his sorrow, he was stammering out his thankfulness to God for giving his mother peace. When I compare your attitude with my friend's. . . well you see where I'm coming from.

Sure sounds that she wasn't at peace if she had to kill herself to get away from everything. How do you know that death=peace? I would be horrified to hear that. Comforting, yes, but if I was a close friend to this family I would feel personally responsible for that happening. Suicide is a permeant solution to a temporary problem. I know. Don't tell me suicide is peace. It isn't.

[Mechcozmo]

You've worked hard and lost. That sucks, but you're on your way to die... so enjoy this last ten minutes.

Optimistic, are we? :rolleyes:

I'm concerned that his house burned to the ground killing his pets and destroying his family's keepsakes, but that he is most concerned about not making being able to make his vacation in Thailand.


1. When has iJon said "I can't believe this happened because now I won't go to Thailand!" Seems to be its been more "This sucks because I lost my pets, I lost my childhood memories, I watched them burn, and on top of it all there is this trip our family had planned to Thailand that is now jeopardized because I don't have my passport nor a home."

Everyone out there, stop nagging about this trip to Thailand. I hope that iJon and family are able to get things sorted out enough to take an at least short trip to Thailand so that they can relax some, mourn, and come back ready to rebuild.

Here's my token of Zen to you:

It wasn't the house burning down that was the problem -- it was the notion that you thought it never would.

Unfortunately, the house did burn... a great one-liner piece of advice, although it is sad.

[topicolo]

Hey iJon, I hope you're feeling a little better.

I'm coming in late into this coversation and hopefully you've cheered up a bit more. Sometimes life does **** you over and I can't even imagine the level of your anger towards it for consistently doing this kind of **** to you, but like a lot of people have said, it could be incredibly worse (ie. losing your parents and your dogs).

If you're willing to listen to a small bit of advice I found handy, here it is: Whatever you do, don't wallow in any misery you get. Especially in a situation like this, people will let you wallow because they'll all be saying "dude, his house burnt down. Let him recover on his own time" or stuff like that.
Unfortunatley, the misery will only chain you down and prevent you from moving forward. You have to channel all your anger towards the misery and defiantly tell yourself that you won't let **** like this hold you down. Get up, take names, and kick some ass! (figuratively)

[iJon]

Thank your Mechcozmo for your thoughts and clarifying some things.

As for the trip to Thailand, let me elaborate. My passport was probably my only material thing lost in the fire that I care about. Yes my parents lost tons of things but it's like what Keith said in an earlier post. They were not my things, they were my parents so I will never understand how valuable they were to my parents. They had the most amazing coral collection in our house, beautiful stuffed animals and rugs, tables from Japan and Taiwaan that my dad collected when he was in the navy. Yes these things aren't important but they were great irreplacable items that had great memories tied to them. I'm only 19, I don't have things like that, but I can imagine how my parents feel. At my house were my first collectables from Egypt, now gone. Add 40 years and thats what the situation my parents are in. My passport was one of my favorite possesions cause it had over 13 stamps in it from the various countries I had visited in the past couple of years. Yes it isn't that important but those times traveling over seas are some of my favorites memories to date. My Thailand trip is something I have been looking forward to since last year. I never get excited about going places until I get off the plane, but this trip has me so excited. That is why I have stressed the passport, it's the only thing I can think of replacing right now that is important, I don't feel that is unreasonable or unfair.

As for the trip, it is not a trip my family is taking, I am going by myself.

jon

[Doctor Q]

Your trip is definitely a big positive. What will you be doing in Thailand? Being a tourist?

[iJon]

Your trip is definitely a big positive. What will you be doing in Thailand? Being a tourist?
Two weeks in land touring Bangkok and neighboring cities with a tour group of other college students (same company i went to Egypt and Europe with). Then one week by myself to the islands in the Gulf (Koh Phangan/Koh Samui) and just living in cheap bungalows and enjoying the culture. It should put a good perspective on what just happened in my life with them just having their tsunami. They lost everything but unfortunatly won't get it back.

jon

[Doctor Q]

I've seen time and time again that traveling gives people a broader perspective on life and makes them much more interesting acquaintances. Somebody who has travelled far and wide will be a more engaging person to live with, work with, or just talk to.

Whether travel stories are about the hassles at an airport, seeing famous sites, meeting interesting people, or about finding one little treasure in an out of the way store, these stories become a part of your life and memory. A fire can wipe out the souvenirs, but what you are experiencing in your travels is even more important.