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old-wiz
Aug 23, 2011, 03:12 PM
I'm just wondering if the sheer number of posts on how to use the various P2P software programs or how to resolve issues with the same gives the impression that most MacRumors forum members are downloading pirated content? I've seen threads where people talk about having torrents running all night, but I can't imagine what legal download would take that long.

I was just curious as to how many forum members download anything other than pirated content and what do they download.

I am not saying that there is no legal use of P2P, and I'm not trying to start a flame war or a screaming match or a mudslinging mess or a discussion on the legality of downloading.

I'm wondering if the moderators should consider banning discussions of P2P?

Please don't go off at me; I think both the MPAA and the RIAA and the other ilk are actually encouraging the downloading by making it really difficult or impossible to get media legally. I'm perfectly willing to pay ONCE for movies or music. For example, I still buy DVDs (yes, I'm an old coot who doesn't have a blu-ray player, but mostly cause my TV isn't big enough), but I hate the idea that I have to pay again to have it on my computer where I could create a library of movies or just to put a few movies on my laptop so I'd have something to watch on long plane flights.

Firestar
Aug 23, 2011, 03:15 PM
This seems like it would be more in the Community Discussion. I am confused whether you're trying to discuss P2P in general or just banning it from discussing on MR.

annk
Aug 24, 2011, 05:43 AM
I suggested this topic be started here, in this forum, because of the question about whether or not that type of discussion should be allowed.

If the discussion becomes more community-forum-like, we can move the thread.

miles01110
Aug 24, 2011, 06:08 AM
I wouldn't mind a ban on it. All too often there are thinly veiled "What's the best bit torrent program... for downloading Linux distros, of course..." threads that are left alone while others that outright admit to pirating are removed. Seems kind of weak to me.

maflynn
Aug 24, 2011, 06:52 AM
There may be valid uses for P2P but I think in reality its heavily weighted to downloading pirated music and music.

I think at one point vmware was using torrents to download vmware appliances, not sure if they're continuing that now or using traditional download methods.

Hellhammer
Aug 24, 2011, 09:25 AM
In case of clear "wareing", threads are usually closed. These include references to torrent sites, instructions how to crack an application and so forth.

I'm happy with the current policy. We all know that torrents are mainly used for piracy and the legal use is very limited, but I think it's completely fine to discuss about harmless topics, such as what is the best torrent app and do you download torrents. As long as there is no promotion of illegal activities of any kind, it shouldn't cause problems.

I think this could be compared with jailbreaking. It also opens doors for illegal activities, so JBing should be banned as well if we limited discussion of torrents.

old-wiz
Aug 24, 2011, 09:39 AM
I was also concerned that some smart-ass lawyer from the RIAA/MPAA might go after MacRumors for "promoting" illegal downloads.

I don't see an issue with jailbreaking. In my book, you've purchased the device so you can modify it any way you want. I've never considered jailbreaking my iPod Touch 4G, mostly because I just use it for storing music to listen while I'm walking or on the plane.

SilentPanda
Aug 24, 2011, 11:18 AM
I use a torrent client probably 2-3 times a year usually. Some things are just more feasible to release via torrent. For instance I recently downloaded an Oblivion mod compilation which was about 8 GB. It was only available through torrents. I've also downloaded "Another Version of the Truth" which is a fan made edit of Nine Inch Nails live tours and their music, allowed directly from the band.

There's no reason to disallow talk of torrent clients in my opinion. One could just as easily associate the MP3 format, IRC clients, usenet clients, or FTP clients with warez back in the past. If somebody is either clearly pirating content or "wink wink nudge nudge"ing... we can deal with the thread. To ban a technology because of its majority use isn't the right way to go about it.

Duff-Man
Aug 24, 2011, 01:04 PM
Duff-Man says...I agree with SilentPanda and Hellhammer. Yes, there's a lot of pirating done via torrents but also a lot of *legit* stuff distributed that way. Bob Fripp's (King Crimson etc) label has a ton of live stuff for sale and gives you the choice of a straight d/l or via torrent - and this is a guy that has his people keeping a very keen eye out for piracy and taking steps to stop it. I torrent stuff through a certain tracker that deals in live music recordings - they are *very* strict when it comes to even a snippet of commercially available music whether it's stiff for sale or not - if it ever was it's not allowed. They also keep "not allowed artist" and "not allowed venue" lists, respecting the wishes of any artist (or their authorized rep.) to "opt out" of having recordings of their shows tracked. It's not the technology or the programs - if it was then there should probably be no discussion allowed of rapidshare and other file hosting sites, or usenet, or etc etc etc.....oh yeah!

NZed
Aug 26, 2011, 04:17 AM
The thread with the most mods commenting i've ever seen since joining.