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MacRumors
Aug 26, 2011, 02:27 PM
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Dominique Leca, the co-founder of the much-loved Sparrow mail client, tells Business Insider that his team is working on an iPhone version (http://www.businessinsider.com/dom-leca-interview-sparrow-2011-8) of Sparrow.
BI: Isn't one of Apple's rules for the mobile App Store that you can't "duplicate functionality"?

DL: Yes, but on the Mac, they can't really apply it, so you've got a way out. You can license your software without being considered a rogue developer, like you might on Cydia [the jailbreak app store for iPhone].

Developers have been selling Mac apps long before the MAS was introduced, whereas for most people, the only want to get content on an iPhone is through the App Store. It was a walled garden from the very beginning.

We'll see what happens with Sparrow for iPhone. We're just starting on this, but it's still far far away. But we'll give it a try, Apple be with us.

BI: So do you think they'll approve it?

DL: I think they will. They're accepting third party browsers, so why not mail? This would be really inconsistent. Opera has a browser out there, and I think Mozilla has one coming too.Leca also notes that Sparrow has generated more than $500,000 in revenue in the six months it's been available on the Mac App Store. Sparrow was originally going to be priced for $24.99, but they decided on $9.99 as a price point in order to reach more users. "People don't wake up in the morning thinking they want to change their mail client."

Sparrow for Mac is available for $9.99 (http://appshopper.com/mac/productivity/sparrow) on the Mac App Store. [Direct Link (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sparrow/id417250177?mt=12)]

There is a free "Sparrow Lite (http://appshopper.com/mac/productivity/sparrow-lite)" version as well, that restricts users to one email account. [Direct link (http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/sparrow-lite/id417418059?mt=12)]

Article Link: Sparrow Developer Working on iPhone Version (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/26/sparrow-developer-working-on-iphone-version/)



Rudy69
Aug 26, 2011, 02:31 PM
There's no way the iOS version will get approved :rolleyes:

Sneakz
Aug 26, 2011, 02:35 PM
I must say that I love Sparrow. It's specifically has Gmail in mind and thats what a good portion of the modern computing masses are using.

andi242
Aug 26, 2011, 02:39 PM
Dom hinted to this quite a while ago:
http://f.cl.ly/items/3u0t2I3u171w3W3f0m2e/Bildschirmfoto%202011-08-26%20um%2021.38.07.png

https://twitter.com/#!/domleca/status/80628559856672769

flash84x
Aug 26, 2011, 02:47 PM
I think they are in for a rude awakening, I will be shocked to see this approved.

vettori
Aug 26, 2011, 02:52 PM
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There are already some apps that can read mail, the problem is that they can't be integrated with the operating system.
All apps and links will always open Apple Mail even if another mail app is installed.

iDuel
Aug 26, 2011, 03:18 PM
I am content with the Mail.app from Apple:cool:

Russell L
Aug 26, 2011, 03:27 PM
Can you queue messages in Sparrow (sending a message on or after a certain date/time)? If so, I'm sold!

(Eudora used to have this ability, which I used a LOT.)

accessoriesguy
Aug 26, 2011, 03:32 PM
silly question, what does sparrow do? like whats the difference between the stock mail?

QuarterSwede
Aug 26, 2011, 03:36 PM
I am content with the Mail.app from Apple:cool:
So am I. Honestly, I can't really think of any way it could be improved for my usage when I'm mobile.

An alternative certainly could bring features that I never knew I needed though. Hopefully this will get approved (I don't see why not) and spur some competition.

LoganT
Aug 26, 2011, 03:40 PM
There's no way the iOS version will get approved :rolleyes:

I think they are in for a rude awakening, I will be shocked to see this approved.

People said the exact same thing about Opera Mini.

*LTD*
Aug 26, 2011, 04:14 PM
Sparrow rules for the Mac, especially in terms of UI. There's just no comparison, IMHO. Using multiple accounts (especially Gmail) is a seamless experience with Sparrow.

However, the iPad and iPhone Mail apps are superb. I don't see Sparrow as a replacement in these two instances.

NAG
Aug 26, 2011, 04:24 PM
Sparrow rules for the Mac, especially in terms of UI. There's just no comparison, IMHO. Using multiple accounts (especially Gmail) is a seamless experience with Sparrow.

However, the iPad and iPhone Mail apps are superb. I don't see Sparrow as a replacement in these two instances.

They could get rid of the horrible pop over interface when in portrait mode. Apple needs to learn that pop overs like that are the new drawers from OS X (Apple, just copy the Twitter app interface already).

As far as Sparrow for mac, I'm messing around with the demo of 1.3.2 with a temporary gmail account (craigslist stuff) and I don't really see the appeal over OS X Mail. Admittedly, I don't really use gmail beyond the occasional throw away account so maybe I'm missing something. So the better gmail support doesn't make up for the lack of multiple signatures. And I oddly like OS X Mail's way of conversation handling better (although it would be nice if there was an easy way to include your replies in the threads).

Sparrow easily beats 10.6 Mail, but 10.7...not so much for me.

vitzr
Aug 26, 2011, 04:26 PM
I must say that I love Sparrow. It's specifically has Gmail in mind and thats what a good portion of the modern computing masses are using.

I agree completely.

*LTD*
Aug 26, 2011, 05:13 PM
They could get rid of the horrible pop over interface when in portrait mode.

I actually like that. I think it works well enough.

jayducharme
Aug 26, 2011, 07:32 PM
However, the iPad and iPhone Mail apps are superb.

I wouldn't go that far. I find it really frustrating that I can't send email to groups that I've created. I can only add contacts one by one. That's a huge and unnecessary pain. If I need to do a lot of e-mail, I avoid my iOS devices unless I have no other choice.

FloatingBones
Aug 26, 2011, 08:28 PM
Sparrow rules for the Mac, especially in terms of UI. There's just no comparison, IMHO. Using multiple accounts (especially Gmail) is a seamless experience with Sparrow.

If Sparrow makes iOS users more likely to use Sparrow instead of Safari to read their Gmail mailboxes, then Google would get fewer ad displays. That would be good for Apple, right?

Am I thinking too hard?

Bernard SG
Aug 26, 2011, 11:55 PM
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I highly doubt it gets any traction on iOS devices. Why spend $'s when the stock app is already an excellent one?

vjl323
Aug 27, 2011, 03:43 AM
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I highly doubt it gets any traction on iOS devices. Why spend $'s when the stock app is already an excellent one?

For most users, you are correct. However, there are people who will purchase a different browser and a different calendar client for iOS. Those people are power users who need more features. Apple's Mail app is very basic and not useful for folks who get a volume of e.mail. Unfortunately, e.mail apps are still banned from the App Store [many developers, including myself, have tried to submit better e.mail apps and we've all been rejected].

A few features that power users would pay for:

* sending to groups
* optional inline/bottom quoting replies
* flag a message [iOS 5 Mail has this]
* custom signatures based on account used
* filter support
* bounce/redirect support
* multiple attachment support
* auto-prune support
* custom X- header support
* alternate compose editor support
* sigdash support
* FCC support
* signature at bottom option
* custom sorting
* nested folder creation support
...

I have a list of over 100 features that I'd like a mail client to support. Many of them are simply preferences and wouldn't clutter up the UI of the mail client. All the features in my personal list are features I use all the time, that's why I built an alternative e.mail app for iOS - it filled a need I had, but until Apple decides to allow alternate mail apps like they do for browsers and calendars, the app will only live on my iOS devices.

There are some amazing browsers and calendar apps on the App Store that really show how creative developers are in being able to pack so many additional features into an app that has a simple looking UI. I think the same can be said for developers of iOS mail apps as well.

/vjl/

KALLT
Aug 27, 2011, 06:01 AM
Too bad that I never got around to test the lite version. The limitation to a Gmail account is absolutely disappointing. I won't create an account just to make a test run. I am a bit reluctant with regard to e-mail clients, so a quick buy is out of the question for me.

snipper
Aug 27, 2011, 12:38 PM
I gladly paid for a bayesian spam filter for Mail and it is surprising that Apple still doesn't even allow such a plugin for iOS Mail.

iVoid
Aug 27, 2011, 01:42 PM
Apple already allow Good for Enterprise in the app store and it's basically a mail replacement.


Of course, with most app rejections, it's mostly based on how anal retentive or how much of a control freak the app reviewer at Apple is.

mdriftmeyer
Aug 27, 2011, 02:03 PM
I must say that I love Sparrow. It's specifically has Gmail in mind and thats what a good portion of the modern computing masses are using.

Please don't speak for the majority. I have a Gmail account that I check once a month. I run Thunderbird on non-OS X boxes. My mail server is IMAP'd. I use Yahoo Mail for other less important stuff, but check it several times a week.

Thunderbird [Icedove for us Debian Linux users] is version 5 and with all the Calendar, Group addons it's doing just fine. It's a orders faster and more feature rich than GMail.

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I gladly paid for a bayesian spam filter for Mail and it is surprising that Apple still doesn't even allow such a plugin for iOS Mail.

What's stopping you from setting up the Mail Host server included in OS X? Turn on IMAP, register your own domain and run all the spam filters you want?

itickings
Aug 27, 2011, 04:12 PM
Please don't speak for the majority. I have a Gmail account that I check once a month. I run Thunderbird on non-OS X boxes. My mail server is IMAP'd. I use Yahoo Mail for other less important stuff, but check it several times a week.

Thunderbird [Icedove for us Debian Linux users] is version 5 and with all the Calendar, Group addons it's doing just fine. It's a orders faster and more feature rich than GMail.

I fail to see how all your "I" statements would have anything to do with "the majority". As important you may consider yourself to be, you are probably not the majority all by yourself. Additionally, "a good portion of the modern computing masses" does not even imply anything about a majority. Even without numbers at hand, I'd be prepared to wager that you are not even covered by that statement to begin with...

What's stopping you from setting up the Mail Host server included in OS X? Turn on IMAP, register your own domain and run all the spam filters you want?

You mean other than the nightmare of running and maintaining a server? :rolleyes:

QuarterSwede
Aug 27, 2011, 04:28 PM
As far as Sparrow for mac, I'm messing around with the demo of 1.3.2 with a temporary gmail account (craigslist stuff) and I don't really see the appeal over OS X Mail. Admittedly, I don't really use gmail beyond the occasional throw away account so maybe I'm missing something. So the better gmail support doesn't make up for the lack of multiple signatures. And I oddly like OS X Mail's way of conversation handling better (although it would be nice if there was an easy way to include your replies in the threads).

Sparrow easily beats 10.6 Mail, but 10.7...not so much for me.
I feel the same way. Mail 10.7 handily beats Sparrows limited UI. When using Sparrow I feel like I'm using the official Twitter app.

BiscottiGelato
Aug 27, 2011, 04:51 PM
The default iPhone mail client sucks so much it's not even funny.

My iPhone is linked with the company's exchange server (they allow iPhone BB Android), whatever gets you working for another few minutes for free. I can't do anything in regards to Out of Office Notifications. No way to flag e-mail. No way to search specific mail folders based on subject/from/to. I can probaby find more flaws. But business functionality as simple as e-mail is what BB guys laugh at in the iPhone guy's face.

3rd party App or better mail client. Or this is really just a toy no matter how you put it.

interconnect
Aug 27, 2011, 09:02 PM
Too bad that I never got around to test the lite version. The limitation to a Gmail account is absolutely disappointing. I won't create an account just to make a test run. I am a bit reluctant with regard to e-mail clients, so a quick buy is out of the question for me.

What are you talking about? Sparrow supports Gmail and regular IMAP accounts.

KALLT
Aug 28, 2011, 03:46 AM
What are you talking about? Sparrow supports Gmail and regular IMAP accounts.

But not the lite version.

getburl
Aug 28, 2011, 02:13 PM
The apple mail on iOS still does not do delete correctly when in a gmail account. Just in order to get delete correct, I would use Sparrow on iOS.

PsychOK
Aug 28, 2011, 04:48 PM
They need to work on exchange support first or for many there won't be a reason to move from Apple's stock mail app.

interconnect
Aug 28, 2011, 05:01 PM
But not the lite version.

And your point is? They still support it, which invalidates your original post.

itickings
Aug 29, 2011, 03:34 AM
And your point is? They still support it, which invalidates your original post.

Please enlighten us, how does that invalidate the original post?

The lite version is limited to a Gmail account, so unless you already have a Gmail account you would have to create a Gmail account to test the application.

xraydoc
Aug 29, 2011, 08:55 AM
I'm a heavy Gmail user for personal email, so I'd love an email client with improved Gmail support. Even if Sparrow only supported Gmail I'd probably buy it.

Ability to have things set as more than one label (Mail treats labels as IMAP folders), ability to see what is flagged (starred), ability to manage Gmail's spam folder, etc.

The Gmail mobile iOS web client is ok, but isn't as good as a dedicated client would be.

NAG
Aug 29, 2011, 11:27 AM
I'm a heavy Gmail user for personal email, so I'd love an email client with improved Gmail support. Even if Sparrow only supported Gmail I'd probably buy it.

Ability to have things set as more than one label (Mail treats labels as IMAP folders), ability to see what is flagged (starred), ability to manage Gmail's spam folder, etc.

The Gmail mobile iOS web client is ok, but isn't as good as a dedicated client would be.

It isn't really Mail's fault there as GMail is being kind of funky with their IMAP implementation. But yeah, if you're looking for multiple tags, standard IMAP won't really do it for you. Best you can do is nested folders.

I mostly rely on spotlight to find things with a basic folder hierarchy. I never really make use of tags (and when I do use something with tags I inevitably have groups of tags that might as well just be one tag).

xraydoc
Aug 30, 2011, 11:32 AM
It isn't really Mail's fault there as GMail is being kind of funky with their IMAP implementation. But yeah, if you're looking for multiple tags, standard IMAP won't really do it for you. Best you can do is nested folders.

I mostly rely on spotlight to find things with a basic folder hierarchy. I never really make use of tags (and when I do use something with tags I inevitably have groups of tags that might as well just be one tag).
Oh, believe me, I know Gmail doesn't conform to any other standard. This is why Sparrow is so nice on the Mac. It supports all the same labeling features as the web version (but without the suckiness of being in a browser).

hitekalex
Aug 30, 2011, 01:41 PM
There are already some apps that can read mail, the problem is that they can't be integrated with the operating system. All apps and links will always open Apple Mail even if another mail app is installed.

Absolutely right.. iOS, being a closed and poorly customizable OS, doesn't leave a lot of room for 3rd-party email clients.. and even browsers to lesser extent.

Sparrow for iOS won't be able to run in the background in the way that the native Mail.app does. So it won't be able to support proper Gmail push via Exchange ActiveSync. All 3rd party apps will still open Mail.app for email functions.. as iOS doesn't allow to set default e-mail (or browser) client to a 3rd-party app.

As much as I would love to have proper Gmail iOS integration that Sparrow offers on a Mac.. I am afraid, various iOS limitations will make using a 3rd-party client like Sparrow an unacceptable proposition.