New PowerMacs and More on Tuesday?

[MacRumors]

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Appleinsider reports (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1024) that new PowerMacs have begun shipping to select Apple retail stores.

The upcoming PowerMacs are reported to be Dual 2.0GHz, 2.3GHz and 2.7GHz models equipped with dual-layer DVD burners.

This report is consistent with the most recent rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050414065132.shtml) on long anticipated PowerMac updates, and are expected to arrive April 26th, as recently hinted (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/04/20050421002348.shtml).

The web is also abuzz of extended ship times (5-7days) on eMacs and iMacs suggestive of updates.

[zakatov]

W00t! :D

sux about the CPU speed though

[calyxman]

Surprise!!!! .....well, not quite.

[pounce]

i'll be watching apple's site tomorrow.

[Bradley W]

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[rdrr]

Maybe on Tuesday they'll ship mine and everybody elses copy of TIGER!

I only care about mine! Mine! MINE!!! :D

[Blue Moon]

I'm so FRIGGEN excited I'm about to explode!!!! http://www.codezwiz.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/new_ukliam2.gif

[destroyboredom]

I bought my DP 2.0 at the beginning of Dec. I'm glad I made it this long before the update. I feel good about my purchase and it would have driven me nuts to wait unti now.

It should be a nice update for those planning to buy.

[SteveC]

Woohoo! :D :cool: I hope iMacs are announced REALLY soon (tomorrow). ;)

[runplaysleeprun]

so much for 3 ghz by..... bloody ages ago, whatever it was.

[GFLPraxis]

w00t! The top end might not be a huge upgrade (who cares, Intel is having equal troubles, nyah nyah x86!), but it's a VERY nice upgrade for the low end. People who want a $2000 or $2500 PowerMac, now is the time to buy.

Dual layer burners, as well.

And further, this also means Stevie might have something really big saved for June. A fifth PowerMac model with dual dual core processors at $3500 perhaps? It would fit with the current lineup.

[Brandon Sharitt]

I'm holding out for the iMac and iBook updates, then I'll have to decide between those two, although I'd really like a Mac mini with a 64MB video card and 512MB RAM standard.

[Duujo]

Do iBooks get a look in anywhere here??

Even though if they were updated they'd almost catch up to the PowerBook's CPU speed, but i'm giving a friend advice to buy a mac laptop, and i've got him to hold out for Tiger so far.. i'm not sure if i should get him to wait for an iBook update...

[JRM PowerPod]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

If they wanted to piss us off why didn't they just release Dual 2.6GHZ's. Why does TS have to be right, hopefully these rumours are just based off what TS said, and hopefully they are wrong. (There is alot of hoping going on). I guess we'll see tomorrow.

Looks like Steve will be wearing kevlar at WWDC. No 3GHZ?

[mad jew]

Apple's finally coming to fruition after about eight months of nothing (pun not really intended). What with all these software updates, releasing Tiger and now this. :D I really hope it's true.

[numediaman]

And further, this also means Stevie might have something really big saved for June. A fifth PowerMac model with dual dual core processors at $3500 perhaps? It would fit with the current lineup.

What it means is that the PMs are getting a minor speed boost and updated opticals. Could this get any more boring?!

Gees, a year ago we were talking about reaching 3.0 by Spring -- maybe Summer at the latest.

[HelloKitty]

What is the "CPU Related Announcement" mentioned in AppleInsider's article?..It looks fishy..

Well..still hoping to see a 970MP machine..keep working, Apple!

[Blue Moon]

Do iBooks get a look in anywhere here??

Even though if they were updated they'd almost catch up to the PowerBook's CPU speed, but i'm giving a friend advice to buy a mac laptop, and i've got him to hold out for Tiger so far.. i'm not sure if i should get him to wait for an iBook update...

iBook shipping dates, along with iMac G5's, have been given extended periods. Doesn't say anything for sure but telling your friend to hold out is pretty solid advice.

[JRM PowerPod]

New Powermac's in T-13hours

The store always updates at around 11-12:00 Melbourne (aus) time

[SeRgIo_42]

Well...it is nice to hear about upgrades but they
still out of my next purchase...anything
above 1800 is out of range...at least until another
renegotiation with my wife :p

[Bradley W]

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[Josh396]

Any chance these dual layer burners will make it into the iMac?

[JRM PowerPod]

What is the "CPU Related Announcement" mentioned in AppleInsider's article?..It looks fishy..

Well..still hoping to see a 970MP machine..keep working, Apple!

Good pickup, my faith is restored, slightly. I still want a Dual Core too. Don't know how much faster it would really be, but it's the POWER line and both POWER lines need soome POWER right now.

I'm going out on the weakest limb on the tree saying

Dual Dual Core 2.7GHZ 1gb 250GB X800 256(AGP) $2999
Dual Dual Core 2.3GHZ 512mb 160GB 6600 128(AGP) $2399
Dual Core 2.0GHZ 512mb 80GB 9600 128(AGP) $1799

DEATH TO THE SINGLE CORE FANBOYS

[Bear]

Any chance these dual layer burners will make it into the iMac?Probably at some point, possibly with the next update. Apple has been pretty good about keeping the burner technology moving along in each product line.

[~Shard~]

Good to see the updates are coming, but a minimal speed increase and dual layers drives isn't much to get excited about. I guess it depends how Apple prices them.

I'm holding out for iBook updates once Tiger is out and shipping - I think we'll see all these updated systems (PowerMacs, iBooks, eMacs, iMacs) in the near future, and they are being held back so that they can ship with Tiger.

[cosmoed]

iMacs.

Now.
:mad:

[ImAlwaysRight]

woo-hoo, bring on the new Macs!

[Rocket Rion]

Does anyone know where the dual layer blank discs can be bought and how much they are? I never see them in the stores or advertised.

[TracerBullet]

If in fact this rumor carries its weight tomorrow and ThinkSecret is praised for their uncanny accuracy, I still debate on waiting for the elusive dual-dual configuration (which of course is a pipe-dream right now until Apple delivers anyway) versus making a purchase on a dual 2.7. I have a daw project studio, and have been maintaining a holding pattern until I felt ready to make the PowerMac plunge. My G4 TiBook 867 with 1 gig ram is just not performing up to my needs for intensive audio apps and plug-ins.

My question is whether the first dual dual (assuming it will probably enter at a lower clock speed than the current dual singles) will show a dramatic improvement in overall performance?

[JRM PowerPod]

ORDER STATUS IS DOWN

I can;t check my TIGER order status as it is coming up with a message:

Thank you for shopping at the Apple Online Store

Apple's Online and phone Order Status services are temporarily unavailable due to a scheduled upgrade to our systems.

We apologize for any inconvenience.
For more assistance with your order, contact Apple Customer Support at 1-800-676-2775.
Sales and Refunds | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy
Copyright © 2005 Apple Computer, Inc. All rights reserved.

[~Shard~]

Does anyone know where the dual layer blank discs can be bought and how much they are? I never see them in the stores or advertised.

That's an easy one - just check out Froogle (http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=dual+layer+DVD+buy&hl=en&lr=&client=safari&rls=en-us&sa=N&tab=ff&oi=froogler). :cool:

[JRM PowerPod]

The chain of events has begun

1) ORDER STATUS GOES DOWN (a few hours before updates)(Very early today, usually it happens a couple of hours before the stores go down)(must be heaps of updates)

2) THEN APPLESTORES GO DOWN. Generally starting with the European countries moving onto the Pacific region - then the US last.

3) ALL STORE RE_OPEN at once and we can buy new stuff

[J-Squire]

ORDER STATUS IS DOWN

I can;t check my TIGER order status as it is coming up with a message:

Thank you for shopping at the Apple Online Store

Apple's Online and phone Order Status services are temporarily unavailable due to a scheduled upgrade to our systems.


A definite sign that:
a) My copy of Tiger is out the door and on its way to my humble abode
b) New PowerMacs are being added to the store under the catchphrase "The most powerful Mac is now inches closer to 3GHz"

The second option is nothing to get excited about. Move along.

[deputy_doofy]

F it. I'm buying tomorrow if the PMs are upgraded. I was willing to pay for the 2.5 so for the same price, I get a 2.7 (x2) and whatever else they add as an incentive for such a crappy processor upgrade. :D

[avalys]

Does anyone know where the dual layer blank discs can be bought and how much they are? I never see them in the stores or advertised.
I saw a pack of ten on sale for $20 yesterday. Versus ten single-layers for $12.99.

[justinshiding]

I find it kind of odd how people complain about these new chips possibly being only 2.7ghz. Please, tell me what AMD's fastest chip runs at in terms of clock speed....what's that you say... the FX-55 runs at ONLY 2.6 ghz....gee wiz.

I'm not saying there aren't other things that could have been added to this release (pci express, dual core chips, etc), but the processor speeds are not something to complain about. You can't compare different chips on the basis of clock cycle. Also, becuase (most) mac users run osx as opposed to some x86 os, even benchmarks are questionable in terms of comparing processing power.

Be happy with what you've got :)

Now, if we were talking about powerbooks I might be singing a different song..

Cheers,
Justin

[mad jew]

I hope they get updated within the next twelve hours so us other-side-of-the-worlders can actually be half awake while it's all happening for once. That'd be great. :D

[ipacmm]

Cool, I really hope they do come out with some new PowerMacs or something tomorrow.

[DavidM]

I've heard that the optical drives in the current PowerMacs are dual layer drives that have been disabled. Apparently a French (I think) site posted a firmware hack to allow the dual burning ability.

Has anyone else heard this? Any rumors about a firmware update for those of us with these drives?

Thanks -

-- David

[JRM PowerPod]

SHIPPING TIMES

PowerMac's 1-3 Days
PowerBook 1-3
iBook 1-3
Mac mini 1-3

eMac 5-7
iMac 5-7

What does this mean

a) PowerMacs are updated tomorrow can ship immediately
b) PowerBook - just due to Tiger (no updates) (HD screen?)
c) IBook and Mac mini - Ram possibly updated - CPU? Or maybe just due to tiger as well.

d) eMac and iMac are both 5-7 days. This would seem as if they will be updated when Tiger is released on Friday.

Just my interpretation of the unfolding events

[d.perel]

W00t! :D

sux about the CPU speed though

Wait...all of them are Dual processor equipped? not bad, but I hope the price won't increase too much...No 970MP multi cored chip?

[Brian Haworth]

ORDER STATUS IS DOWN

I can;t check my TIGER order status as it is coming up with a message:

Thank you for shopping at the Apple Online Store

Apple's Online and phone Order Status services are temporarily unavailable due to a scheduled upgrade to our systems.

We apologize for any inconvenience.
For more assistance with your order, contact Apple Customer Support at 1-800-676-2775.
Sales and Refunds | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy
Copyright © 2005 Apple Computer, Inc. All rights reserved.

Not for me. I CAN check my order status, and my Tiger order has changed from Processing Order to Preparing Shipment! Yay!

[dosers]

we can go back to daily business, no ? ;-)
These Powermacs are the same system available now, albeit with updated CPUs and optical drives. The chips are still of the FX variety. IMO there is no way we will see Dual Cores until the end of the year, October / November time frame, which is why it makes sense to run the current platform with a speed bump. The dual cores, which need a new MB / pin config will get the PCIe, faster memory bus and so on; it makes perfect business-sense.

I would love to know if the Apple store will take orders for the Dual burners to be updated in current PMs....

Cheers,
Dan

[J-Squire]

I find it kind of odd how people complain about these new chips possibly being only 2.7ghz. Please, tell me what AMD's fastest chip runs at in terms of clock speed....what's that you say... the FX-55 runs at ONLY 2.6 ghz....gee wiz.

I'm not saying there aren't other things that could have been added to this release (pci express, dual core chips, etc), but the processor speeds are not something to complain about. You can't compare different chips on the basis of clock cycle. Also, becuase (most) mac users run osx as opposed to some x86 os, even benchmarks are questionable in terms of comparing processing power.


I don't quite understand the logic behind these comments. As Mac faithful, we are ALL aware of the components within the CPU that make up overall performance, other than clockspeed. We have chanted Megahertz myth for years, in order to protect ourselves from the taunts of Intel bullies.

So why would you think we are upset purely over the fact that we are only at 2.7GHz compared to AMD's 2.6GHz chips. We are not upset about the number 2.7, relative to the competition. We are upset about 2.7 relative to 2 point freekin 5. Or even 3 point zero! A 200MHz increase in a year! come on! A promise of 3GHz a year ago, and we're still not there!??

THAT, my friend, is what we're upset aboot (scottish accent for no apparent reason).

[~Shard~]

Wait...all of them are Dual processor equipped? not bad, but I hope the price won't increase too much...No 970MP multi cored chip?

Maybe the new top end PowerMac will indeed be at 2.7 GHz - per processor, per core! :eek: ;) :cool:

[Josh396]

I've heard that the optical drives in the current PowerMacs are dual layer drives that have been disabled. Apparently a French (I think) site posted a firmware hack to allow the dual burning ability.

Has anyone else heard this? Any rumors about a firmware update for those of us with these drives?

Thanks -

-- David
I could be wrong but I believe the only thing that separates a single layer burner and a dual layer burner is a firmware update, at least with the recent models. With that being said a firmware update is the only thing that is different between the two, not any different parts or anything. I don't know how true this is but I read it in a recent thread. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Plastic Chicken]

Sorry to dash everybody's hopes, but here's a bit of Mac Rumor wisdom:


The most pessimistic rumors are often the correct ones.

[d.perel]

And what about HD DVD (blu-ray) burning capability? Doesn't the newest version of DVD Studio Pro (or something like that) have the ability burn HD DVDs?

[AidenShaw]

I saw a pack of ten on sale for $20 yesterday. Versus ten single-layers for $12.99.

$20 is a typical price for a 3-pack (down from $40 for a 3 pack a few months ago).

$20 for ten would be great - where????

And, BTW, to the editors: the term is "double layer", not "dual layer". "Double layer - Dual format" - there's enough confusion with the editors misusing the terms....

From Doctor Q: Apple apparently uses both descriptions. See http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/dvdstudiopro/specs.html and http://www.apple.com/pro/video/kobler/index3.html.

[mad jew]

Sorry to dash everybody's hopes, but here's a bit of Mac Rumor wisdom:


The most pessimistic rumors are often the correct ones.


Yeah good point! :D

Don't you hate being right though Plastic Chicken? :(

[blitzkrieg79]

Well jezzzz if those updates are of 970fx variety then I certainly wasted my time waiting for almost 6 months:S anyway, as far as the 3GHZ promise goes (I really dont think that IBM can just walk away from its promises without consequences as I am guessing they HAD to tell Jobs they were at or close to 3GHZ when the first 970s were announced) , it supposedly isnt going to happen with the current 970 design (Power4 derivative) so I am guessing that 970MP is just some project gone bad OR maybe IBM promissed something to Apple for that 3Ghz mishap so that right now they are just stretching the 970 technology and 2006 potentially can be a really interesting year processorwise for Apple as the Power5 derivative and Cell might show on horizon (imagine a single dual core Power5 derivative along with an Apple friendly Cell like coprocessor to assist in the year of HD proclamation)... I maybe a dreamer but all those technologies are not really that far off and IF the predicted updates will feature 970FX processors then its safe to bet we will see the last of Power4 derived technology and probably move to Power5 and/or Cell like, as it is a dead end technology as was Pentium4 so there is no point in investing more money in it and its time to realocate the resources towards something that will actually bring more PROs towards the Mac platform instead of constantly discouraging them...

[tortus]

Wait...all of them are Dual processor equipped? not bad, but I hope the price won't increase too much...No 970MP multi cored chip?

Though the clock speed increases are small, they would be substantial updates with dual core processors under the hood. Look at the stats on the Pentium extreme and the dual core Opterons, they have scaled back clock speeds and post huge performance gains with the dual cores. My bet would be on at least one model representing the dual core 970mp. The two other large chip makers in the world just released dual core processors within the past month; it would make sense that IBM would as well this month or by the summer. With that being said, we all know the difficulties Apple is had with its CPUs for the past few years. I hope and pray that IBM pulls through and can deliver the next generation of chips now when it is relative and not next year.

[LGRW3919]

good reporting just bad news. i feel terrible for all those people out there who have been waiting every tuesday for the last 4 or 5 monthes eagerly waiting a PM update. (i realize it has been almost 10 monthes but not too many people were biting their fingernails in november) i also feel bad for the people out there who actually NEED the hardware on the bleeding edge. this post is based on apple releasing 200 mhz of speed increase and a bit better dvd burner. we will have to see though, maybe apple will blow our minds.

my 2c

[woodsie]

seems odd they'd release an update so close to all the Tiger hooplah.

anyway, i hope this rumor comes true. can't wait! :)

[FlyNolJ]

I just used the same title I used for another thread. But, this really does blow. Pricing better be at 1,500 or else I'm pissed and so is everyone else. :eek: So ******* you apple.

[Tattoo]

Is this a sign that the 2.5's are not reliable? Why skip them? Will the 2.7 not have liquid cooling? Is there something wrong with the Liquid Cooling Systems? Are we gonna see a huge influx of 2.5's on ebay?
Whats everyones take on skipping the 2.5? :confused:
Yet the same 2.0 has been around FOREVER!!!!
Why not 2.3, 2.5 & 2.7??
Something doesnt sound right to me!

[LGRW3919]

I don't quite understand the logic behind these comments. As Mac faithful, we are ALL aware of the components within the CPU that make up overall performance, other than clockspeed. We have chanted Megahertz myth for years, in order to protect ourselves from the taunts of Intel bullies.

So why would you think we are upset purely over the fact that we are only at 2.7GHz compared to AMD's 2.6GHz chips. We are not upset about the number 2.7, relative to the competition. We are upset about 2.7 relative to 2 point freekin 5. Or even 3 point zero! A 200MHz increase in a year! come on! A promise of 3GHz a year ago, and we're still not there!??

THAT, my friend, is what we're upset aboot (scottish accent for no apparent reason).

going back to page 2, i FIRMLY agree with this statement. Squire hit it right on the head. its not so much that 2.7 ghz is too slow for us, its just that 200 mhz is too little of an inprovement for 10 monthes.

[longofest]

its been almost a year of engineering, and we're only getting 200 Mhz? Meanwhile, x86 has breached 3.8 Ghz and is now beating Apple to the dual-core game (even though 2 processors is better than dual cores anyways because you have double the cache).

This is a really big letdown. I would have expected 2.7 Ghz with dual cores, or 3 Ghz single cores. Optical drive is a snoozer because I already have a nice LaCie drive that does 16x plus Dual Layer.

...let me cry some more...

Oh well, Apple will release what they will release, and we will buy it anyways, because we can't stand Windoze.

[makey]

W00t! :D

sux about the CPU speed though

Yes, however, take note that there are dual processors. That is pretty amazing for a laptop.

[ZildjianKX]

its been almost a year of engineering, and we're only getting 200 Mhz? Meanwhile, x86 has breached 3.8 Ghz and is now beating Apple to the dual-core game (even though 2 processors is better than dual cores anyways because you have double the cache).

This is a really big letdown. I would have expected 2.7 Ghz with dual cores, or 3 Ghz single cores. Optical drive is a snoozer because I already have a nice LaCie drive that does 16x plus Dual Layer.

...let me cry some more...

Oh well, Apple will release what they will release, and we will buy it anyways, because we can't stand Windoze.

AMD dual core processors have an individual cache for each core...

[TracerBullet]

going back to page 2, i FIRMLY agree with this statement. Squire hit it right on the head. its not so much that 2.7 ghz is too slow for us, its just that 200 mhz is too little of an inprovement for 10 monthes.

While it has been 10 months for this upgrade, is it safe to assume it might be another 10 months (or more) until we see another improvement/complete redesign?

I think apple is doing the best they can given what IBM can provide for them... and I would also imagine that no matter what they give us, there will always be someone who disapproves of the system for some reason. So what if they give us dual-duals, new graphics busses, ddr2-667, 32 gig capabilities for ram, etc. etc. all maxed out. they would also give us a price tag that was maxed out to match those specs, and many people would bitch that apple isn't price competitive enough....

trust me, I would love a loaded machine, but I think the elusive perfect machine isn't out there - there will always be something better to replace it.

[nagusjim]

Is this a sign that the 2.5's are not reliable? Why skip them? Will the 2.7 not have liquid cooling? Is there something wrong with the Liquid Cooling Systems? Are we gonna see a huge influx of 2.5's on ebay?
Whats everyones take on skipping the 2.5? :confused:
Yet the same 2.0 has been around FOREVER!!!!
Why not 2.3, 2.5 & 2.7??
Something doesnt sound right to me!

I suspect it's to maintatin profit margins. The 2.3 is probably still too expensive to manufacture for it to b e a candidate for the entry-level machine, and they don't want to increase the size of the lineup.

[rockthecasbah]

SHIPPING TIMES

PowerMac's 1-3 Days
PowerBook 1-3
iBook 1-3
Mac mini 1-3

eMac 5-7
iMac 5-7

What does this mean

a) PowerMacs are updated tomorrow can ship immediately
b) PowerBook - just due to Tiger (no updates) (HD screen?)
c) IBook and Mac mini - Ram possibly updated - CPU? Or maybe just due to tiger as well.

d) eMac and iMac are both 5-7 days. This would seem as if they will be updated when Tiger is released on Friday.

Just my interpretation of the unfolding events
I doubt that the Powerbooks would be updated with an HD screen unless it was at an event, and they just received speed bumps a few months ago. iBooks have gone longer without upgrades, as well as iMacs. The Mac Mini and maybe eMacs could be soon too, but im thinking Powerbooks and iBooks at one of the next big Apple shows. :)

[zakatov]

Yes, however, take note that there are dual processors. That is pretty amazing for a laptop.
Also take note that those are NOT laptops, they are PowerMacs

[ryannel2003]

Thank the lord Apple has decided to update the eMac!!! In it's current form, it was starting to look very, very stale. The iMac with upgraded G5, Video Card, etc. will also be great. But I think the PM updates stink!! I mean, we should be hitting around 3GHz since Steve told us in June, 2003 we would have a 3GHz PM by Summer 2004. Where is this PM at? If they do have it, can I see what the specs are? ;)

[punkmac]

What is the "CPU Related Announcement" mentioned in AppleInsider's article?..It looks fishy..

Well..still hoping to see a 970MP machine..keep working, Apple!



What about a SINGLE proc. 3GHZ with dualcore? I could see Apple selling that for $3299.00.


I.

[dosers]

Not at all. The 2.0 and 2.3 are simply existing Processors (the 2.3 from the server line). The 2.7 is identical to the 2.5, with 200Mhz higher clockspeed - and if it's an FX will most definetely have the liquid cooling. There really hasn't been any real problem with the liquid cooling, even though people loved to speculate on wet carpets and such ;-)

Is this a sign that the 2.5's are not reliable? Why skip them? Will the 2.7 not have liquid cooling? Is there something wrong with the Liquid Cooling Systems? Are we gonna see a huge influx of 2.5's on ebay?
Whats everyones take on skipping the 2.5? :confused:
Yet the same 2.0 has been around FOREVER!!!!
Why not 2.3, 2.5 & 2.7??
Something doesnt sound right to me!

[Yvan256]

DEATH TO THE SINGLE CORE FANBOYS

Either a lot of people will be dying or we're getting dual-core Mac minis. Woot! :D

[sintax]

Dual Layer SuperDrives! I am SO very glad I did this upgrade (http://abraham.dizandat.com/2005/04/when-one-layer-just-isnt-enough.html) to my Dual 2.0 G5 this past friday. :)

[dosers]

Actually, a Dual Core processor is, if designed correctly, inherintly more efficient than Dual CPUs. Dual CPUs have to communicate with each other on a bus (even though the PMs is very fast), as well as with the memory (even if the bus is seperate, this tends to be quite slow, even on speed king AMD - in comparison to core speed).
Dual Core CPUs, which should have seperate caches (both Intel and AMD do) have by definition the most efficient way to communicate with each other. As long as they can address the bus seperately they have the POTENTIAL to be better than a same-speed Dual Processor.
d

its been almost a year of engineering, and we're only getting 200 Mhz? Meanwhile, x86 has breached 3.8 Ghz and is now beating Apple to the dual-core game (even though 2 processors is better than dual cores anyways because you have double the cache).

This is a really big letdown. I would have expected 2.7 Ghz with dual cores, or 3 Ghz single cores. Optical drive is a snoozer because I already have a nice LaCie drive that does 16x plus Dual Layer.

...let me cry some more...

Oh well, Apple will release what they will release, and we will buy it anyways, because we can't stand Windoze.

[Yvan256]

So why would you think we are upset purely over the fact that we are only at 2.7GHz compared to AMD's 2.6GHz chips. We are not upset about the number 2.7, relative to the competition. We are upset about 2.7 relative to 2 point freekin 5. Or even 3 point zero! A 200MHz increase in a year! come on! A promise of 3GHz a year ago, and we're still not there!??

THAT, my friend, is what we're upset aboot (scottish accent for no apparent reason).

The entire industry has hit a wall. I'm tired of hearing about the "we were promised 3GHz a year ago" thing.

What if the new PowerMacs (or at least the top ones) are dual-core, dual-CPUs? Will you people still be saying "bah, four cores but still not 3GHz, how lame"?

[The Truth]

I wonder how many people who complain about the 3Ghz promise would actually buy one if it was released.

[Yvan256]

Sorry to dash everybody's hopes, but here's a bit of Mac Rumor wisdom:


The most pessimistic rumors are often the correct ones.

Ok, let me jinx it for you all:

There WILL be dual-core, dual-CPUs.

But they'll run at 500MHz per core. :D

[punkmac]

Hey, where's the single low end model?

2.0 ghz?


I.

[Kerry Sanders]

OK... I have a question for the people in this thread. How many people, other than me, are actually planning to purchase a new Mac and are only waiting to see if Apple makes any announcements to coincide with Tiger's release?

I am going to order a Power Mac G5 system, but I want to see if they do make announcements. :)

[daveL]

Actually, a Dual Core processor is, if designed correctly, inherintly more efficient than Dual CPUs. Dual CPUs have to communicate with each other on a bus (even though the PMs is very fast), as well as with the memory (even if the bus is seperate, this tends to be quite slow, even on speed king AMD - in comparison to core speed).
Dual Core CPUs, which should have seperate caches (both Intel and AMD do) have by definition the most efficient way to communicate with each other. As long as they can address the bus seperately they have the POTENTIAL to be better than a same-speed Dual Processor.
d
The DC Intels do *not* have on-chip core-to-core interconnects. Each core has to go out to the external bus on the motherboard to communicate, just like a dual processor system. AMD, however, did it right, as I'm sure IBM will.

[Yvan256]

OK... I have a question for the people in this thread. How many people, other than me, are actually planning to purchase a new Mac and are only waiting to see if Apple makes any announcements to coincide with Tiger's release?

I am going to order a Power Mac G5 system, but I want to see if they do make announcements. :)

I'm waiting for either an "iBook mini" or the next rev. of the 12" iBook.

[broken_keyboard]

I wonder how many people who complain about the 3Ghz promise would actually buy one if it was released.

Lots of people. There were many people (myself included) who bought the original dual 2.0 and then skipped the 2.5 because it wasn't enough of an upgrade. All these people are waiting, and maybe if it is 2.7 they will keep waiting.

[mwatch]

I just bought a 12" Powerbook. My wife doesn't know it yet, but I will order a 2.0 Dual G5 when they are announced. :D

[Rocket Rion]

I'll wait until WWDC to see if any dual core supermacs are announced. If not, I just can't wait anymore and will buy a 2.3 and trade it in for a supermac PCIe machine whenever those show up. I've been waiting 7 months for something great!

[Kerry Sanders]

I just bought a 12" Powerbook. My wife doesn't know it yet, but I will order a 2.0 Dual G5 when they are announced. :D

I did that once. I purchase a Dell Inspiron 8500 to use for home and work. She was upset, because I never really used the Compaq laptop that I already had, but then again, they were beasts of a different kind. I use the Dell all the time and she knows that now. I have had it for two years. We just got confirmation that her new Dell 6000 is on its way as of today.

Now... she knows that I am very interested in a Mac and I guess she has resigned to the fact that I am going to order it, so she hasn't said anything about it. As soon as Apple makes an announcement or something soon, I am going to purchase a dual G5 system, but I haven't decided which one yet. I was looking at the dual 2.0 GHz system, but if they announce a step up and it is about the same price, I may go with that. It all depends on what the prices look like and the system configurations that are available.

[dosers]

You are right - I stand corrected. The Smithfied core is lacking - Intel's next iteration is 'supposed' to have interconnected, same-die dual core. That's according to Intel so we'll see ;-)

The DC Intels do *not* have on-chip core-to-core interconnects. Each core has to go out to the external bus on the motherboard to communicate, just like a dual processor system. AMD, however, did it right, as I'm sure IBM will.

[cwright]

I've heard that the optical drives in the current PowerMacs are dual layer drives that have been disabled. Apparently a French (I think) site posted a firmware hack to allow the dual burning ability.

Has anyone else heard this? Any rumors about a firmware update for those of us with these drives?

Yea its true. I have the current dual 2.0 and it came with a Pioneer 117D, which i successfully flashed to a Pioneer 108... a 16x DVD-R & 4x DL DVD-R (burns a full DVD in 3 minutes!).
works great in Toast, DVD Studio Pro, the Finder, and all the iApps after you install Patchburn. Hopefully now that the dual-layer drives come standard and non-crippled, we'll start to see the iApps add support for Dual-Layer burning.

[Kerry Sanders]

I'll wait until WWDC to see if any dual core supermacs are announced. If not, I just can't wait anymore and will buy a 2.3 and trade it in for a supermac PCIe machine whenever those show up. I've been waiting 7 months for something great!

I used to wait, but everything always passed me by and I know that I cannot spend the money that they would want for them. I am going to buy a dual G5 system that I can afford now and I think I will be very happy with it. It will be much faster than this 1.67 GHz AMD based PC that I have sitting here and it will probably be more secure and bug free. :D

[AppleFoussa]

Probably at some point, possibly with the next update. Apple has been pretty good about keeping the burner technology moving along in each product line.

I don't know about that considering they are having heating problems with the iMacs. I mean if they do it won't be till a lot later. Besides if they did do it what would be the incentive in getting a powermac vs an iMac

[makey]

Also take note that those are NOT laptops, they are PowerMacs

Whoopsies my mistake. /Hits head on table

[ShnikeJSB]

In response to who will actually buy something announced soon, not me, unless it is a completely different/better PowerBook, something that actually lives up the "Power"Book name, and isn't a wilting "Flower"Book... I am STILL using my Oct. '01 TiBook/667, and have been waiting for something actually WORTH the insane amount Apple is asking for the current PowerBooks. I have been THIS CLOSE to buying an Inspiron XPS Gen 2... But we all know the 'Books aren't going to be updated for a long time... I told myself a long time ago I would buy a new PowerBook when Tiger came out, but now I am beginning to have the biggest lapse in my Mac-Loving life EVER... C'mon IBM, get off your @$$e$ and make us a low power G5! That or FreeScale get off THEIR @$$e$ and get us a dual-core G4! Either way, I am getting increasingly pissed off at the Apple platform, though I have supported/defended/used them for pretty much my entire life (since our Apple IIe when I was 4 years old). Software can only do so much... -JB

[Object-X]

w00t! The top end might not be a huge upgrade (who cares, Intel is having equal troubles, nyah nyah x86!), but it's a VERY nice upgrade for the low end. People who want a $2000 or $2500 PowerMac, now is the time to buy.

Dual layer burners, as well.

And further, this also means Stevie might have something really big saved for June. A fifth PowerMac model with dual dual core processors at $3500 perhaps? It would fit with the current lineup.

Perhaps a high end workstation with an integrated cell chip for making the games! I saw a picture of an alleged Xbox 2 development machine that was a Powermac. Anyone else see this, or was it an old April 1 joke? Perhaps that would dovetail with the page 2 Apple gaming division rumor.

[Rusheleau]

Tomorrow is my birthday. April 26th is the date at which the hardware updates were rumored to be released and this is awesome! BUT...I am getting a 20 inch imac with a gig of ram...the 2.0 g5 better be out tomorrow...its my birthday...it has to! No choice!

[Kerry Sanders]

Tomorrow is my birthday. April 26th is the date at which the hardware updates were rumored to be released and this is awesome! BUT...I am getting a 20 inch imac with a gig of ram...the 2.0 g5 better be out tomorrow...its my birthday...it has to! No choice!

Cool... happy birthday... a day early. :)

I hope that the announcements are made tomorrow as well. I have been waiting three weeks now. It is driving me nuts. I have not gotten anything done around my house or at work, because I have been reading up on Mac information constantly. :o

[Rusheleau]

Cool... happy birthday... a day early. :)

I hope that the announcements are made tomorrow as well. I have been waiting three weeks now. It is driving me nuts. I have not gotten anything done around my house or at work, because I have been reading up on Mac information constantly. :o

Seriously man, Today I checked every single rumor site. I just want to know for sure. My hopes are up so high. My visa is seriously out right now. As soon as I see it there Im gone. I am in school and am studying for exams right now. And I lost a rediculous amount of time today because of this. I hate being a nerd. God im a nerd.

[~Shard~]

Will anyone truly notice the difference between 2.5 GHz and 2.7 GHz? I guess that's per processor, making it a 400 MHz change, but still, I would have thought Apple could come up with a more significant increase - I guess the processor industry truly has hit the wall. Hopefully the next major updates will include 3+ GHz or dual core or some other major advancement.

[1984]

Where or where has my PowerBook HD (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=886) gone? Hmmmm?

[eva01]

Seriously man, Today I checked every single rumor site. I just want to know for sure. My hopes are up so high. My visa is seriously out right now. As soon as I see it there Im gone. I am in school and am studying for exams right now. And I lost a rediculous amount of time today because of this. I hate being a nerd. God im a nerd.


Aren't we all nerds thou, i mean i already have my Tiger being shipped to me but am going to the release party still :p. and i have your typical nerd stuff, anime and Star Wars (fiance calls me a otaku/dork [same thing basically])

[notjustjay]

Tomorrow is my birthday. April 26th

Happy Birthday man! You share the same birthday with my sister.

I will buy a PowerMac G5, eventually... hopefully later this year... once I get a real full-time career job and start raking in the dollars again. (Gone from a $64K job down to about $20K as I went through a Master's degree, now working for $8/hour, hoping to get back up there again soon!)

[BornAgainMac]

Hopefully on Tuesday we can see IBM show their cards... Hope the rumor is false.

[Yvan256]

I can't access ThinkSecret?!

[GFLPraxis]

Perhaps a high end workstation with an integrated cell chip for making the games! I saw a picture of an alleged Xbox 2 development machine that was a Powermac. Anyone else see this, or was it an old April 1 joke? Perhaps that would dovetail with the page 2 Apple gaming division rumor.

You do realize that the XBox 2 is using PowerPC processors, not Cell chips, right? ;)

[Kerry Sanders]

Seriously man, Today I checked every single rumor site. I just want to know for sure. My hopes are up so high.

Same here... I have the credit card ready. I just haven't decided if I want to get the Apple Cinema display (20") or a 20" LCD with DVI input from another manufacturer.

[TracerBullet]

I can't access ThinkSecret?!

Neither can I. New thread of speculation - ThinkSecret's website is down for maintenance after they realized that they were completely off the mark on the latest round of rumors, and need to work at a furious pace to put the true specs up for us.....

[crpchristian]

To me its not a matter of dissapointment for the clock speeds if they are true (most people are just pissed about promises and wishful thinking and not just the performance alone which is really all that should matter in the end), it's that why did it take so long for THIS update to happen? Depending on the price (i might just get a dual 2.0, load up on ram and trade in for a better update when teh time comes). If there are any dual cores, i'll get one right away, if not....why couldn't this update have come 3-4 months ago....i thought this was the year of HD?.....oops, sorry... i shouldnt whine until an announcement is actually made :)

[Kerry Sanders]

Aren't we all nerds thou, i mean i already have my Tiger being shipped to me but am going to the release party still :p. and i have your typical nerd stuff, anime and Star Wars (fiance calls me a otaku/dork [same thing basically])

Yes, we are all nerds and I envy all of you who has an Apple Store close to them. The closest one to me is 172 miles away in Atlanta, Georgia. I cannot drive over due to work. :)

[kainjow]

I can't access ThinkSecret?!
I did a port scan on thinksecret.com and it appears their web server is completely down, yet the ftp and smtp/pop3 are up... hmm

[drewyboy]

OK... I have a question for the people in this thread. How many people, other than me, are actually planning to purchase a new Mac and are only waiting to see if Apple makes any announcements to coincide with Tiger's release?

I am going to order a Power Mac G5 system, but I want to see if they do make announcements. :)

I was actually going to get one mid-may, but i've decided i'm prob going to end up w/ a pb just cuz of portability which i need here at school. Sux i have to pay out just as much for quite a bit less. I need something to do occasional v-editing... hopefully the pb 15" w/ 2g ram can handle it. :(

[Porchland]

I've had good success with expensive skin care products. Quid pro quo.



Well...it is nice to hear about upgrades but they
still out of my next purchase...anything
above 1800 is out of range...at least until another
renegotiation with my wife :p

[kkrista]

OK... I have a question for the people in this thread. How many people, other than me, are actually planning to purchase a new Mac and are only waiting to see if Apple makes any announcements to coincide with Tiger's release?

I, for one, am planning on purchasing a Power Mac once the new ones are announced. My single processor Power Mac G4 500 has served my well for years now, but its getting long in the tooth and Tiger just isn't in its future. Basically, I'm looking to get the most bang for my buck here, which is why I've waited this long. Even if I'm only getting a small (really small) speedbump by waiting, the wait was worth it. Upgrading wasn't critical for me until Tiger saw the light of day. Well Tiger is here, so now its time to upgrade.

[Object-X]

You do realize that the XBox 2 is using PowerPC processors, not Cell chips, right? ;)

Yes of course; my question about the Xbox WS was more of an aside. The Sony PS3 however will be using the Cell chip and they are saying that a Cell based workstation is forthcoming; hence my suggestion of a high-end Powermac with an integrated Cell.

[Porchland]

I just bought a 12" Powerbook. My wife doesn't know it yet, but I will order a 2.0 Dual G5 when they are announced. :D
It works. (http://us.clarins.com/) Trust me.

[Object-X]

I did a port scan on thinksecret.com and it appears their web server is completely down, yet the ftp and smtp/pop3 are up... hmm

Wow, Apple is DOS'ing them! ;)

[ImAlwaysRight]

I can't access ThinkSecret?!
Dang it! I was just going to go to bed so I can get up early and check the rumor sites, but now I wanna stay up and see what TS posts on their website when they get back online!

I've got an Apple Store near me ... planning to go tomorrow to get the 20" iMac 2.0GHz!

[dosers]

Nah, they're real - they've been around for a while. They are Dual 2.5 Powermacs with 2 big Microsoft Dev stickers on it (Xenon being the codename for Xbox 360). Most of the development can actually be done on the PC, but the compiler is PowerPC only which is why MS has been shipping these systems to Game developers for a while. The Xbox CPU is PowerPC based (and, in fact is multi-core, though it's not a G5 and and it's not shipping till the end of the year. Much like dual-core G5 PMs will ;-) ).
They are not running OS X by the way, though I have seen at least one dual boot (on 2 drives), not sure if it came that way from MS or if they did this after the fact.

Perhaps a high end workstation with an integrated cell chip for making the games! I saw a picture of an alleged Xbox 2 development machine that was a Powermac. Anyone else see this, or was it an old April 1 joke? Perhaps that would dovetail with the page 2 Apple gaming division rumor.

[AidenShaw]

The DC Intels do *not* have on-chip core-to-core interconnects. Each core has to go out to the external bus on the motherboard to communicate, just like a dual processor system. AMD, however, did it right, as I'm sure IBM will.

Note that Intel has more than 10 dual-core chip projects underway....

What Intel did for time-to-market reasons on the first dual-core won't determine what happens with later chips. Expect Intel to "do it right" before too long (and to rake in the cash from the 1st generation chips while they're working on it).

[octoberdeath]

OK... I have a question for the people in this thread. How many people, other than me, are actually planning to purchase a new Mac and are only waiting to see if Apple makes any announcements to coincide with Tiger's release?

I am going to order a Power Mac G5 system, but I want to see if they do make announcements. :)


I have been waiting for the right time to puchase a new computer so that I can do video editing. for about two years now I have been using my toshiba laptop running on a 2GHz Celeron with 496MB of RAM! It SUCKS!!! I am getting aother job within the next two weeks that will hopefully allow me to purchase the mid range Power Mac with a 20" Apple Screen. I am so anxious about it, its driving me crazy! But yes I will be purchasing a Power Mac G5 toward the end of June. I actually have a wedding that I will be filming on June 18 for a friend; they are paying me $250 to do it which isn't that great but... considering that my camcorder got stolen and that I don't have a computer to edit it on yet I think it is pretty resonable (a friend is letting me borrow his camcorder). So here is what I hopefully will be getting:

Power Mac G5 2.0GHz or 2.3GHz
20" Apple Cinema Display
Final Cut Express HD

& if I have money left over:

iSight
Canon EOS 20D - 8.2MP Digital SLR Camera
Canon ZR200 DV Camcorder

[JesterJJZ]

I saw a pack of ten on sale for $20 yesterday. Versus ten single-layers for $12.99.

Well right now I can get a 50 pack spindle of single layered for about 30 bucks. Untill I can get a 50 pack of Duals for $60, I'm staying with singles and dual dvd cases for my projects.

[easy4lif]

I was looking at the Hard Drive replacement manual for the iMac G5 and at the bottom of everya page it states:

033-2489 Rev B

could that also signal iMac updates tomorrow

[mccoma]

OK... I have a question for the people in this thread. How many people, other than me, are actually planning to purchase a new Mac and are only waiting to see if Apple makes any announcements to coincide with Tiger's release?

I am going to order a Power Mac G5 system, but I want to see if they do make announcements. :)

Well, the processor speeds listed are fine for me, but I don't want to order a system with AGP. I want a combo of PCI-Express and PCI-X. AGP is going out and I intend to keep my next machine for a long time.

So, I am a no go until the bus changes.

[DakotaGuy]

2.3 Ghz Dual if priced right will be the sweet spot in this line up. I wonder if it will be liquid cooled like the big boy? I think what is so funny is when people get on these boards that are current owners of 733Mhz G4's, etc. and go on and on how upset they are about Apple only making a 2.7Ghz and how slow it will be and blah blah blah...that is just funny to me.

[adam1185]

Woo, come on new iMac.

Any Canadians want to buy a powerbook??

[Cooknn]

I have been waiting for the right time to puchase a new computer so that I can do video editing.FWIW I've been using my Power Mac Dual 2GHz w/ 1GB Ram for about 18 months to do video editing with Final Cut Express and DVD Studio Pro. It's works beautifully. If I were you, I would get the best GPU and add more memory out of the gate than I did though. 2 GB of RAM is probably the sweet spot now. Not sure about the most bang for the buck with current video cards...

[danr_97070]

Probably at some point, possibly with the next update. Apple has been pretty good about keeping the burner technology moving along in each product line.

I'm more interested in something that'll burn HD DVD. Who cares about dual-layer? Isn't this the year of HD, Steve?

[rog]

Well right now I can get a 50 pack spindle of single layered for about 30 bucks. Untill I can get a 50 pack of Duals for $60, I'm staying with singles and dual dvd cases for my projects.
I've had my $65 dual layer burner in my MDD for 3 months now. So big whoop if Apple adds DL burners, that should have happened months ago. Anyway I can't see any great advantage to using DL at the moment as it also burns much slower than the 16X speed of SL discs and I don't use DVD Studio Pro so my projects are pretty limited.

[mad jew]

I think what is so funny is when people get on these boards that are current owners of 733Mhz G4's, etc. and go on and on how upset they are about Apple only making a 2.7Ghz and how slow it will be and blah blah blah...that is just funny to me.


:D Good call! I also love how everyone complains about that missing 300MHz. It's 300MHz!

[Marianco]

Make it a Dual-Core, Dual Processor Powermac!

Please, oh please. I've been waiting so long for a quad processor Mac.

[vtprinz]

I know everyone is going to keep clinging onto to dead hopes for dual core, as well as annoying notions of apple conspiracies against the rumor mongers, but since it seems like the details are pretty well corroborated now, I think it's pretty safe to say we know what we're going to be getting.

So lets focus on the more important aspect to this meager upgrade: PRICE!

What do you guys think? Just a shift down, bring the dual 2.0 to the $1999 mark, or could it go as low as $1499 (the single 1.8 price)?

How much of a price drop did the PB's get in january (if any)?

[vtprinz]

I think what is so funny is when people get on these boards that are current owners of 733Mhz G4's, etc. and go on and on how upset they are about Apple only making a 2.7Ghz and how slow it will be and blah blah blah...that is just funny to me.

try 866 MHz G3 ;)

I'll be happy with anything, but the more the merrier, eh? :p


EDIT: come to think of it, I'm going to completely bypass the G4 processor :D

[osarda]

Again, don't be hasty in purchasing the new Powermacs that should come out tomorrow and which should have come out at NAB last week.

Apple did run into problems with the dual cores which were supposed to be released at NAB. Furthermore, a personal source of mine who works for Apple confirmed that the Quad Cores were to be released in the Autumn. All the release dates have been pushed back due to hardware/software quirks that would not stick with the pro line users.... It is very possible that the meager 200mhz upgrade tomorrow is only to hold off Apple's demanding pro user base who are on their backs. Apple was supposed to beat AMD and Intel in annoucing dual core technology and soon after quad core to blow everybody away. Steve, after all, does have an ego.

But good things come to those who wait. I suggest waiting for WWDC in early June. And you shall see....

My $.02

[drewyboy]

Well...it's back up and absolutely nothing has changed.. looks like just a server prob. or maybe overload of ppl surging to see what they have to say, so they shut down for a little bit. Eh... i hate rumors.. they kill.. but i know i can't live w/o them. CURSE YOU RUMORS!!! :rolleyes:

[Yvan256]

Woo, come on new iMac.

Any Canadians want to buy a powerbook??

Specs/price?

[ShnikeJSB]

OK, lemme put it THIS way... When I bought this TiBook G4/667 back in 2001, the leap from 500MHz on the 100MHz bus to 667MHz on the 133MHz bus was quite a leap after like a year of no updates. This was a 167MHz jump. Now does this 200MHz jump look so good? I don't think so... And to think we hated Motorola and thought IBM was our savior... -JB

[adam1185]

Specs/price?


http://www.ehmac.ca/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=1564

lemme know what you think...or if the price is terribly out of line.

[tortus]

The DC Intels do *not* have on-chip core-to-core interconnects. Each core has to go out to the external bus on the motherboard to communicate, just like a dual processor system. AMD, however, did it right, as I'm sure IBM will.

Amd's dual cores contain a cache for each core along with interconnects between the cores. The 970MP has the same set up. The benchmarks for the dual processor dual core opteron (even on unstable motherboards) are very impressive. Come on Apple, throw us a bone. My dual 867 g4 PM is tired.

[Cooknn]

Again, don't be hasty in purchasing the new Powermacs that should come out tomorrow and which should have come out at NAB last week.

Apple did run into problems with the dual cores which were supposed to be released at NAB. Furthermore, a personal source of mine who works for Apple confirmed that the Quad Cores were to be released in the Autumn. All the release dates have been pushed back due to hardware/software quirks that would not stick with the pro line users.... It is very possible that the meager 200mhz upgrade tomorrow is only to hold off Apple's demanding pro user base who are on their backs. Apple was supposed to beat AMD and Intel in annoucing dual core technology and soon after quad core to blow everybody away. Steve, after all, does have an ego.

But good things come to those who wait. I suggest waiting for WWDC in early June. And you shall see....

My $.02Osarda - I was wondering if you'd come around again. You got me all excited about NAB then nothing happened :( I would have upgraded if Apple would have pulled off the Quad's that you mentioned before. Now it seems as if it will be a while. Better for me I guess. More value for the money I spent on my Dual 2Ghz a year and a half ago.

[Yvan256]

http://www.ehmac.ca/classifieds/showproduct.php?product=1564

lemme know what you think...or if the price is terribly out of line.

Price seems ok, I guess. But I'll still wait for the next iBook rev. if that's ok with you (1250$ for the current 12" iBook). Granted it's not the same specs (GPU, VRAM, RAM, HD, etc) but I won't be maxing it out anyway (40GB at most, 512MB, no BT, etc).

[osarda]

Osarda - I was wondering if you'd come around again. You got me all excited about NAB then nothing happened :( I would have upgraded if Apple would have pulled off the Quad's that you mentioned before. Now it seems as if it will be a while. Better for me I guess. More value for the money I spent on my Dual 2Ghz a year and a half ago.

The NAB release was supposed to be and yet didn't happen. As you can imagine after expecting the inevitable myself, I was the first to ask my sources what had had happened.... And yes...supposedly...Apple did run into technical issues that made it impossible to release the dual cores at NAB. The rumor is that the 200mhz update is only to calm our nerves and I am quite sure we will all be impressed by what will be release at the WWDC in June. The Quad Cores will probably show up soon after the dual cores in a new super pro powermac line.

Definitely better days ahead.... Here is to crossing our fingers in June. My gut feeling is that the wait will be well worth it. I am just not sure about the people who will buy this supposed 2.7Ghz PM in the next few weeks. They might feel cheated if June turns out to be a knockout punch in the computer industry!

My $.02

[zedster]

I have budget for 3 new machines and If I don't spend it soon I could lose it (as soon as upper management do a budget cut). However I'm not going to order a G5 until they are updated or apple announce their intentions. Why does apple insist on keeping us in the dark. Mr Jobs if you are reading this, why are you afraid of letting us know the road ahead? Microsoft has the balls to tell us that their new OS is years away, IBM have put there cards on the table when it comes to CPU's, but we have no idea whats due next week. Yes Tiger is the exception to the rule but only because you need developers to jump on board. Is someone going to beat you to putting a G6 on the shelf? NO. Oh and while I have your attention, lose the one button mouse!
z.

[PeterQVenkman]

I do mainly photoshop, 3d, multimedia and web work. My brother didn't like his bluetooth mice. He said they were jittery.

Anyone confirm/deny this? I'm looking to go totally wireless for my next mac. Should I do that, or just throw down the money on ram instead? MMMM.... Ram.....

I for one am excited. I cannot wait any longer. Thank merciful God. My iMac 800 is tired, and my w brand new Dell 17 LCDs are sitting here unused in anticipation ($220 each for the FP Ultrasharp line!)

[FlyNolJ]

The entire industry has hit a wall. I'm tired of hearing about the "we were promised 3GHz a year ago" thing.

What if the new PowerMacs (or at least the top ones) are dual-core, dual-CPUs? Will you people still be saying "bah, four cores but still not 3GHz, how lame"?

I wouldn't be! I just want a more significant upgrade because I am going to buy one and I want it to last another 5 years like my PM G4 Dual 450. =)

[SiliconAddict]

who cares, Intel is having equal troubles, nyah nyah x86!),


Um actually Intel just started shipping their dual core chips last week I think. AMD will be in about a month or two. (They are shipping their dual core opterons now.) Once again Apple is playing catchup. Big suprise there. :rolleyes: :(

[le_coc]

I, for one, am planning on purchasing a Power Mac once the new ones are announced. My single processor Power Mac G4 500 has served my well for years now, but its getting long in the tooth and Tiger just isn't in its future. Basically, I'm looking to get the most bang for my buck here, which is why I've waited this long. Even if I'm only getting a small (really small) speedbump by waiting, the wait was worth it. Upgrading wasn't critical for me until Tiger saw the light of day. Well Tiger is here, so now its time to upgrade.

Me !! Buying new iMac 20" + new Powerbook 15" ? so I am waiting for the new iMac woth ordering my total order!

[matticus008]

I do mainly photoshop, 3d, multimedia and web work. My brother didn't like his bluetooth mice. He said they were jittery.

Anyone confirm/deny this? I'm looking to go totally wireless for my next mac. Should I do that, or just throw down the money on ram instead? MMMM.... Ram.....

I for one am excited. I cannot wait any longer. Thank merciful God. My iMac 800 is tired, and my w brand new Dell 17 LCDs are sitting here unused in anticipation ($220 each for the FP Ultrasharp line!)

I've found Bluetooth mice to vary greatly in quality and responsiveness. It's a similar story for the wireless USB ones (though I personally think the USB ones are more consistent). Even some corded optical mice are jittery. If you're really serious about going totally cordless, I'd still recommend a BT mouse, unless your Photoshop work involves fine drawing with the mouse (you really SHOULD use a tablet, but I know people who insist on using mice). A quality corded mouse for those times wouldn't be a significant investment (especially if you already have one with your current iMac). You should try it out yourself--you might find you personally don't need a corded mouse at all if you have good results. For everything except careful, fine, precise work, Bluetooth should get the job done. And it's got an undeniable cool factor (no base station or anything!).

[Gyroscope]

Again, don't be hasty in purchasing the new Powermacs that should come out tomorrow and which should have come out at NAB last week.

Apple did run into problems with the dual cores which were supposed to be released at NAB. Furthermore, a personal source of mine who works for Apple confirmed that the Quad Cores were to be released in the Autumn. All the release dates have been pushed back due to hardware/software quirks that would not stick with the pro line users.... It is very possible that the meager 200mhz upgrade tomorrow is only to hold off Apple's demanding pro user base who are on their backs. Apple was supposed to beat AMD and Intel in annoucing dual core technology and soon after quad core to blow everybody away. Steve, after all, does have an ego.

But good things come to those who wait. I suggest waiting for WWDC in early June. And you shall see....

My $.02


Dude you are full of :D :D :D :D !

[le_coc]

Tomorrow is my birthday. April 26th is the date at which the hardware updates were rumored to be released and this is awesome! BUT...I am getting a 20 inch imac with a gig of ram...the 2.0 g5 better be out tomorrow...its my birthday...it has to! No choice!

Happy Birthday ! My girlfriend also has brithday today! + new Apple Hardware + PSV is playing Champions Leage semi-finals (Football) ;) ;) it's a super day!

[nagromme]

the 200mhz update is only to calm our nerves


So what's the word on how that plan's working out? :D

j/k. Anyway, this certainly IS a stopgap release if things turn out as rumored. But to expect the next update just over a month later is too optimistic. I'm thinking August at the earliest.

[imz]

It's tuesday...so where are the new Macs??? And new iTunes Australia!!! And Tiger! *gasp* Can't wait...

Hopefully the new Macs come out soon...(early May the latest?). My credit card is ready...

[plastique45]

w00t! The top end might not be a huge upgrade (who cares, Intel is having equal troubles, nyah nyah x86!) (...)

Dual layer burners, as well.

Errr, Intel is up at 3.8GHz, they power PC's that cost 1/3 the price of an less powerful Mac, and they are now producing their dual core chips...

Oh yeah, and DVD+R DL has been around for over a year on the PC side.

Say what again?

[broken_keyboard]

Hey, where's the single low end model?

2.0 ghz?

I.

If there is no single at the low end, it might indicate that the new dual 2.0 is going to be very cheap.

[deanbo]

OK, lemme put it THIS way... When I bought this TiBook G4/667 back in 2001, the leap from 500MHz on the 100MHz bus to 667MHz on the 133MHz bus was quite a leap after like a year of no updates. This was a 167MHz jump. Now does this 200MHz jump look so good? I don't think so... And to think we hated Motorola and thought IBM was our savior... -JB

This is pathetic. You might as well just take the current line up, slap more RAM and a dual layer DVD burner in it, and then call it an update.

[840quadra]

I bought my DP 2.0 at the beginning of Dec. I'm glad I made it this long before the update. I feel good about my purchase and it would have driven me nuts to wait unti now.

It should be a nice update for those planning to buy.

I would have been going nuts also. I bought my 2.0 on April fools day and I am glad that the new units are not too much of an increase, however it still sucks that the new units are not a big speed bump. Hopefully that will come later in the not to distant future for the power users out there.

840

[Subcoustic]

WOW! Fantastic I' fell that my money is going to stay firmly in my wallet!
Steve this not good enough full stop! whats yor sales pitch going to be ? faster than the common garden snail with a pentium 4 processor on it's back!
Maybe Steve should drop the name power Mac ?

[ShnikeJSB]

As you all can see, I am pissed about the recent hardware "problems" Apple has been faced with, but I REALLY gotta take a stand against all you people who keep referring to Steve Jobs as if you know the guy personally ("Steve this and Steve that"). First of all, the guy doesn't work miracles, nor does he make the hardware himself. If anything, he is the man who got Apple off its @$$ in the first place, and is a revolutionary and a genius. Mr. Jobs deserves probably SOME flack, but to solely place blame on him is absolutely ludicrous! Just had to clear that up... I guess I still have a lot of "Fanboy" in me... LOL! -JB

EDIT: Not to mention he is probably even more pissed off than we are about the whole situation... Hell, it's more HIS @$$ than ours...

[mad jew]

ShnikeJSB, he's the company's figurehead, it's his job to get the blame just as he gets the credit. Don't take it personally that some of us think his recent attempts to actually make the G5 the Fastest Computer In The World are a little lame. ;)

[G.Kirby]

Credit card in one hand, phone in the other. Eyes on the apple site....SPEND SPEND SPEND!!!

If this is true it is good news for me. :D

[ShnikeJSB]

ShnikeJSB, he's the company's figurehead, it's his job to get the blame just as he gets the credit. Don't take it personally that some of us think his recent attempts to actually make the G5 the Fastest Computer In The World are a little lame. ;)

Yes, he is the "figurehead", but I lay the blame moreso on IBM and their inability to deliver. He can't snap his fingers and produce dual-core processors. All he has been trying to do is pass on what IBM has told him, and do it with fanfare to keep us (and the press) happy. I am sure that one of the big reasons Apple isn't giving out specs and release dates is BECAUSE of the whole folly with the "3GHz by next summer" debacle. THIS is what I lay blame on Mr. Jobs for -- his ego was badly bruised and his natural reaction is to clam up from then on and go after those who ruin his chance at redemption (AKA Suing ThinkSecrect for leaking info that HE wanted to reveal). Just a thought. Also, I am kind of pissed off today, as my girlfriend of 4-1/2 years just told me she wants to see other guys, and we broke up... -JB

[le_coc]

Guys realize: Maybe only 3 more hours to e new hardware update !! How exciting doe that sound? ;)

[Subcoustic]

Hi ShnikeJSB
Sorry if I offended you, but the butt has to stop some where and Mr Jobs who does like the personal touch if you do note from all his laid back publicity, is the CEO and yer he's does some wonderful things and I've used his products for over 11 years have ahouse studio and office full of Mac's but feel this is a let down, I had my wallet half open waiting for upgrades to the power mac range and all we get is a slight over clocking, oh and for all you know I could have been Steve's mother ( o.k I would probably gone on about him never tidying his room )

TTFN
Subcoustic

[mad jew]

Yes, he is the "figurehead", but I lay the blame moreso on IBM and their inability to deliver. He can't snap his fingers and produce dual-core processors. All he has been trying to do is pass on what IBM has told him, and do it with fanfare to keep us (and the press) happy. I am sure that one of the big reasons Apple isn't giving out specs and release dates is BECAUSE of the whole folly with the "3GHz by next summer" debacle. THIS is what I lay blame on Mr. Jobs for -- his ego was badly bruised and his natural reaction is to clam up from then on and go after those who ruin his chance at redemption (AKA Suing ThinkSecrect for leaking info that HE wanted to reveal). Just a thought. Also, I am kind of pissed off today, as my girlfriend of 4-1/2 years just told me she wants to see other guys, and we broke up... -JB


I'm really sorry about your girlfriend. :( That sucks.

On the topic of IBM though, you're right that they should get the blame for not supplying faster processors. But Apple (Steve) shouldn't have got into the position where they are so reliant on a third-party to supply cutting edge technology, especially considering the premium they charge.

[unknownfairy]

Sorry to interrupt the Love/Hate Steve Jobs debate, but what time are we expecting these updatates anyway? (going on past releases?)

[840quadra]

Sorry to interrupt the Love/Hate Steve Jobs debate, but what time are we expecting these updatates anyway? (going on past releases?)


I think ~ 7am is when Tiger was announced (7am CST)

[le_coc]

Sorry to interrupt the Love/Hate Steve Jobs debate, but what time are we expecting these updatates anyway? (going on past releases?)

Somewhere between 01:00 and 03:00 pm Amsterdam time.. dunno what time it then is in OZ, Sydney?

[ShnikeJSB]

I'm really sorry about your girlfriend. :( That sucks.

On the topic of IBM though, you're right that they should get the blame for not supplying faster processors. But Apple (Steve) shouldn't have got into the position where they are so reliant on a third-party to supply cutting edge technology, especially considering the premium they charge.

Thanks for the comment. Although I have 3 things due tomorrow that I haven't even finished, these boards are keeping me sane (good thing I am a geek)! I also agree with the comment that Apple has become too reliant on third parties, which is why I am glad they have made such great strides with making their own software (and making it great for that matter), but the time is now to begin creating their own hardware (besides iPods). With the influx of money from iPods and iTunes, they could be fabbing their own processors and graphics cards by now! Actually, they probably can't, but still, they should be able to do something else that would rely less on those unreliable outside sources and do it themselves! They already proved that they can do things like that, they just need to kick it up a notch or 40...

[toontra]

Steve's barnstorming speech in summer 2003 introducing the G5 will surely go down in history as one of the most damaging and embarrasing marketing/hyping exercises in computing salesmanship.

People have been expecting the 3Gh machines for almost a year already and, like me, putting off buying pro-end PMs because of this.

Big mistake!

Will we get a public apology! :)

[pknz]

Possibly 3-4 hours away (maybe). IF there is anything. I have this scary feeling that it will be an "April 1st" all over again.

[broken_keyboard]

Steve's barnstorming speech in summer 2003 introducing the G5 will surely go down in history as one of the most damaging and embarrasing marketing/hyping exercises in computing salesmanship.

No way man. People had been waiting for the G5 for ages - it had almost reached mythical status. If anything was hype-worthy it was the G5 launch!

[iJaz]

Come on, why won't the store close!?!
I'm ready for a 20" iMac with a nice graphic card! :D

[aussie_geek]

New Powermac's in T-13hours

The store always updates at around 11-12:00 Melbourne (aus) time

:D:D:D:
Well. it's gonna be a late night tonight - lucky I'm not working tomorrow. I might just have to stay up to witness this event!! Anyone else going to be continually refreshing Safari in about 5 hours?

Oh yeah - my Tiger order has progressed to 'Processing your order'. Anyone else here in Aus have the same order status - may be indicative of a shipping date tomorrow???

aussie_geek

[unknownfairy]

Anyone else going to be continually refreshing Safari in about 5 hours?

Nooooo Five Hours? I don't think my nerves will last another five hours.
...Imagine if this all turned out to be like April 1st...

[le_coc]

Nooooo Five Hours? I don't think my nerves will last another five hours.
...Imagine if this all turned out to be like April 1st...

then I am gonna laugh hard! :D

Now I can feel the tension rising aswell ! want an hardware update so bad !

[G.Kirby]

does anyone have any thoughts about delivery times for the new PMacs. I shall open the bidding at 10 days. :rolleyes:

[sonofpismo]

We need to set up a service to call or SMS people like "us" when The Apple Store is updated. I would like to go to bed, but wake up to a call or SMS notifying me the store is back up and updated. :)

[unknownfairy]

We need to set up a service to call or SMS people like "us" when The Apple Store is updated. I would like to go to bed, but wake up to a call or SMS notifying me the store is back up and updated. :)

Uh, shouldn't you just be waking up? (or have i got the time-zone thing totally confused???) :confused:
Good idea though, it'd be nice to be able to step away from the computer for a few hours and know that you'd be notified as soon as the store was up and running...

[webobject]

Well if this turns out to be true I am severely gobsmacked by such a barefaced cheek of an upgrade after a year...it would seem these days, all it takes to make a few billion $ is to put some rusty old transistors in a pretty little dress and stand back and laugh at the drooling hoards...
I have the money waiting, but seeing as I don't know when I'll be able to upgrade again I am loathed to spend it on what sounds very much like last year's architecture, which was probably the year before's architecture anyway hehe. Alas tho it be in vain I will wait until this announcement and then June to decide :(
WebOb

[sonofpismo]

Uh, shouldn't you just be waking up? (or have i got the time-zone thing totally confused???) :confused:
Good idea though, it'd be nice to be able to step away from the computer for a few hours and know that you'd be notified as soon as the store was up and running...

I work at a bar/nightclub, so I usually go to sleep when the sun rises. :)

But, I am never working during a keynote ... although none have been live recently, nor will any apparently again. Although, I think we will know when a PowerBook G5 is released when we hear a certain keynote might be broadcast live. :) I am hoping Apple knows the strong, strong demand for an all out completely new portable from Apple.

[punkmac]

If there is no single at the low end, it might indicate that the new dual 2.0 is going to be very cheap.


Let's damn well hope. That Computer has been around for three years!
One major upgrade in three years(Dual 2.5) jeesh!

I.

[aussie_geek]

does anyone have any thoughts about delivery times for the new PMacs. I shall open the bidding at 10 days. :rolleyes:


Hmmm. I reakon it will be a little quicker than that considering that some retail outlets are recieving new stock (according to appleinsider). Apple's best bet would be to have Tiger installed in a brand new PowerMac at the AppleStore, with 50 others like it out in the storeroom ready for sale.


aussie_geek

[Bradley W]

_

[unknownfairy]

The store's still up, guys. Isn't the 7am thing past already?

[amholl]

Nothing new that I can see at the store. It usually is back up by this time but I was asleep. Did it go down? Maybe Apple was giving crap to thinksecret! Dual DC 3.2 PCIe! WOOOOOOOO!

[ALoveSupreme]

Doesn't the store usually go down at 9 a.m. PST ?? That would not be until a few hours ... ;) Maybe there is still hope...

[Aeolius]

My DP G4 (MDD) must know something is on the horizon. Yesterday I went into my home office, to be greeted by the smell of something electrical burning. Fearing the worst, I checked my Mac. The computer would stay on for a few seconds, then enter sleep mode. Leaving the Mac off for a few minutes and then restarting made little difference.

So, I reached under my desk and grabbed the replacement fan and power supply that Apple sent out some time ago, to users of "noisy" G4s. I admit that I was too lazy to install it before. So, after a few beers and some home surgery, I had performed the replacement.

My Mac is up and running again....for now.

[rosalindavenue]

Doesn't the store usually go down at 9 a.m. PST ?? That would still be some hours left... ;) Maybe there is still hope...

Historically it has gone down at 7 AM eastern in the US (19 minutes ago). The only 9 AM PST store closings (noon here in the east) I can recall are ones accompanying a keynote. Looks like its April 1 all over again.

[KrysBaz]

Nothing new that I can see at the store. It usually is back up by this time but I was asleep. Did it go down? Maybe Apple was giving crap to thinksecret! Dual DC 3.2 PCIe! WOOOOOOOO!

Perhaps no new hardware until WWDC, and then a massive hardware fest will ensue with completely diferentiated product lines for all.

Dual Core Quad Processor PM's
Dual Core Single processor iMacs
Dual Core G5 PB's
Single core G5 iBooks
Single core G5 E-mac
Single Core G5 Mac mini.

And the one last thing,
4Ghz G5 Ipod with wifi, video streaming and a complete dishwashing suit.

Now that would be something



:p

[840quadra]

My DP G4 (MDD) must know something is on the horizon. Yesterday I went into my home office, to be greeted by the smell of something electrical burning. Fearing the worst, I checked my Mac. The computer would stay on for a few seconds, then enter sleep mode. Leaving the Mac off for a few minutes and then restarting made little difference.

So, I reached under my desk and grabbed the replacement fan and power supply that Apple sent out some time ago, to users of "noisy" G4s. I admit that I was too lazy to install it before. So, after a few beers and some home surgery, I had performed the replacement.

My Mac is up and running again....for now.

Yeesh,

I hate that smell, I had it a few weeks ago when my G5 Destroyed my CRT monitor. It was hungry for an LCD I guess :)

I am glad it wasn't the Quadra, I was compiling a Video on it, and that poor 12 year old Mac still gets worked hard!!

840

[840quadra]

The store's still up, guys. Isn't the 7am thing past already?

I only posted that time because that was right around the time the Tiger release updates took down the apple store that day.

[ALoveSupreme]

I thought I read something about a possible release on Tuesday OR Wednesday in the last Appleinsider report??? How about tomorrow??

[HL-Audio]

Yeah, so much for updated PMs today... damn it! I'm in for a new low end PM, but this is seriously taking too long.

Apple isn't giving TS crap, Apple's got TS strapped too a chair and a large fan in front of it. And everyone knows what happens when the **** hits the fan; it stinks :p :D

[le_coc]

Historically it has gone down at 7 AM eastern in the US (19 minutes ago). The only 9 AM PST store closings (noon here in the east) I can recall are ones accompanying a keynote. Looks like its April 1 all over again.

You don't mean: probably no hardware updates today?? ;( then I am gonna start crying!

[psycho bob]

Well all the rumour sites suck at the moment with their so called insider info. The best indication of hardware updates is apple themselves and their shipping times.
Based on the UK apple store I wonder if the powermac updates will in fact be announced this Friday on Tiger launch day with the eMac and iMac updates coming next week, May 3rd perhaps.
Powermacs are showing a 3 day lead time with other desktops (Mac mini excluded) showing 7-10 days. Apple don't normally announce stuff on the webstore for shipping until their retail stores have some quantity. As the new machines will likely ship with Tiger they may wait till Friday.
Well maybe lol :)

[BwanaZulia]

I think it usually goes down at 8AM EST. Or that is what I have noticed before.

Of course, I could just be hoping.

Also, sometimes the other world wide stores go down first.

BZ

[macmunch]

The craziest thing about this **** update is that IBM can deliver Fast and Good PowerPCs to Microsoft !!!!!

The Xbox 2 which will be shown to Public on 15 May will have 3.5 GHz PowerPCs as you know similar to the G5s because this machines where Developer Units !!!


So whats up ?!?! IBM can produce 3.5 than 3 GHz must really be easy !

I think Apple dont checks it at the moment they think its enough and there fast enough the dont invest in new techology this new powermac is crap ! If it has only 200mhz more

[Lancetx]

Historically it has gone down at 7 AM eastern in the US (19 minutes ago). The only 9 AM PST store closings (noon here in the east) I can recall are ones accompanying a keynote. Looks like its April 1 all over again.

Normally it goes down at 8 AM Eastern, unless there is a keynote or other major event. If it's not down within the next 10-15 minutes or so, it's not happening today. The bad sign is that the international stores usually go down first and that hasn't happened today.

[840quadra]

I hope it is the intention of Apple to discredit the rumor sites (not Macrumors I hope) and BAM release Dual core 3 GHZ powermac computers in a few days / weeks.

I know.. I am dreaming

I still "heart" apple :)

[iJaz]

The craziest thing about this **** update is that IBM can deliver Fast and Good PowerPCs to Microsoft !!!!!

The Xbox 2 which will be shown to Public on 15 May will have 3.5 GHz PowerPCs as you know similar to the G5s because this machines where Developer Units !!!


So whats up ?!?! IBM can produce 3.5 than 3 GHz must really be easy !

I think Apple dont checks it at the moment they think its enough and there fast enough the dont invest in new techology this new powermac is crap ! If it has only 200mhz more
First of all, I have heard they are supposed to be 3GHz.
And here's a quote from another thread where I was complaining about the same thing as you (but I said the Xbox processors were going to be 3 GHz).

Those 3 GHz CPUs are positively wimpy, and therefore far easier to make, when compared to the PowerPC 970 and its derivatives. The IPC (Instructions Per Clock [cycle]) for the Xbox processors is said to be just 2, which is about half of that for a PPC 970 (normally 4, but it can be as high as 5 when a branch instruction is involved).

[Platform]

Well bring on the updates...... :rolleyes:

Just hope they will be decent, and also apple if you give the 2.0 2.3 2.7 then don't give us DC a month later DC now or in a while ;) :D

[groovebuster]

Nothing happened so far...

[BwanaZulia]

Tick.. Tock.. looks bad for today now.

BZ

[NevadaJack]

I am thinking now that it all will happen Friday at 6:00PM when the Apple Stores have their parties. New software, new hardware and NEW Rumors :D

[dayloon]

http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=1026

Interesting.

[BwanaZulia]

http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=1026

Interesting.

Odd update.

Could also be Tiger yes?

BZ

[G.Kirby]

It's looking like the new PMacs will be released tomorrow and NOT today. See AppleInsider for more info.

[Lancetx]

http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=1026

Interesting.

Hmm, maybe tomorrow then? :p

[Bear]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Appleinsider reports (http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1024) that new PowerMacs have begun shipping to select Apple retail stores.
...Could these just be the current models, but they come with Tiger installed instead of Panther?

[NevadaJack]

Odd update.

Could also be Tiger yes?

BZ

Could be "dogtags" for the parties too...

[pgre]

Hmm, maybe tomorrow then? :p

Why not release them on the same day that Tiger is announced ... ? Then Steve can say ready for immediate shipping etc.

That would be my guess..

I can wait till the end of the week before I order.. (just)

[Platform]

http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=1026

Interesting.

Good let them come..........just hope they have Tiger loaded ;)

[aswitcher]

Could be "dogtags" for the parties too...

In Australia they are talking about "torches" (ie spotlights) for the first hundred people etc Might be a key chain or something.

[G.Kirby]

Why not release them on the same day that Tiger is announced ... ? Then Steve can say ready for immediate shipping etc.

That would be my guess..

I can wait till the end of the week before I order.. (just)

Announcing and shipping, two different things. :rolleyes:

[mad jew]

It makes more sense for Apple to update the PowerMacs (and whatever else) on Friday rather than quietly slipping them in on a Tuesday with no public fanfare (excited Macrumors regulars throwing virtual underwear gifs at virtual Steve Jobs jpegs aside ;) )

[MacSA]

Well considering nearly everything needs an update of some kind, it's still possible we could see something today.

[G.Kirby]

It makes more sense for Apple to update the PowerMacs (and whatever else) on Friday rather than quietly slipping them in on a Tuesday with no public fanfare (excited Macrumors regulars throwing virtual underwear gifs at virtual Steve Jobs jpegs aside ;) )

rats! I thought I had turnned off my iSight! :o

:D

[ImAlwaysRight]

It makes more sense for Apple to update the PowerMacs (and whatever else) on Friday rather than quietly slipping them in on a Tuesday with no public fanfare
It especially makes sense that Apple would update eMacs and iMacs on Friday as when Joe Consumer walks into the Apple Store, he is more likely to buy one of those than a Power Mac. Not to mention if the Macs have just been updated, he may be more likely. ;)

[AidenShaw]

Dual Core Quad Processor PM's
Dual Core Single processor iMacs
Dual Core G5 PB's


The Dual Core iMac and PB would be dual processor - logically (that is, the view from OS X) you could not tell a dual single core system from a single dual core system.

Both would be dual processor machines - a "core" is a "processor", and always has been.


Quad PM - two dual-core chips
Dual iMac - one dual-core chip
Dual PB - one dual-core chip (Moto e600, not PPC970MP)

[BwanaZulia]

This is killing me... PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!!

JUST RELEASE THE BEAST!

BZ

[le_coc]

This is killing me... PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!!

JUST RELEASE THE BEAST!

BZ


I AGREE! **** off rumors ! pull the stores down ! NOW!

[gangst]

personally i doubt apple will bother with a 2.7ghz g5.

1) this just rubs in the fact that apple missed the 3ghz deadline, i doubt steve really wants that.

2) the top of the lin powermacs have always gone up in increments of 0.5ghz.

3) a year is a long time without an update

4) theres tooo much demand for a dual 3.0ghz

just my thoughts, but I think updates are most likely for WWDC, and if there is a dual 3.0ghz announced, I doubt apple will release a dual 2.7ghz as the middle model as the two will be very close on benchmarks etc.

[aswitcher]

I AGREE! **** off rumors ! pull the stores down ! NOW!


Appleinsider is saying Wednesday USA now... :(

[geeyesgee]

I'm about to blow my wad (of money)! :D

[SweetFeet]

This is BS. If Apple is toying with the rumor mills in passing out false info, they need to realize that they're toying with their loyal customers! Waiting more than 6 months for an update is ridiculous. And, for people like me who base their livelihood on Apple technology...it's making me think about 'making the switch' back to Winblows. If I can't pick up a new machine by this coming weekend, I'm getting an HP.

[SweetFeet]

Appleinsider is saying Wednesday USA now... :(

And tomorrow they will be saying Thursday.

[crpchristian]

Crapola! Those are big black blocks on wood!!!!
So how would somebody know the specs on the machines if they are covered in opaque black plastic? (maybe they're using the x-ray specs sold out of the back of select Archie comics).

I'm very interested in what the prices are going to be and what is going to be offered in terms of RAM, GFX card and base hard drive (that is whats going to my my machine expensive).

Is if weird how if they are at least 3ghz or dual core or cell assisted (yeah right) that I'll get the top machine but if they are the mediocre specs i'll get a mid/low end PM?
Something about price to performance increase I think.

[BwanaZulia]

One last hope for 9AM. After that it is time to give up for the day.

BZ

[iJaz]

I'm getting depressed by this... :(

[~Shard~]

I'm getting depressed by this... :(

Um, it's just a new computer, get over it - there are bigger things to worry about in life, my friend. :p ;)

[cosmoed]

I'm getting depressed by this... :(

I enjoy it, something to look foward to.

[mad jew]

Is if weird how if they are at least 3ghz or dual core or cell assisted (yeah right) that I'll get the top machine but if they are the mediocre specs i'll get a mid/low end PM?


Normal, there's the notion in the back of your mind that when the ultra-cool 3GHz machines come out you can quickly sell your mediocre Mac and buy one of the first. :)

Of course, if that explanation doesn't suffice, you could always run along and see an iShrink. Take SweetFeet with you. He wants to get an HP (bad enough in itself) yet he talks of:

people like me who base their livelihood on Apple technology.

Incoherent? Frothing mouth? Unexplainable refreshing of the online Apple store? See the iShrink! ;)

[iJaz]

Um, it's just a new computer, get over it - there are bigger things to worry about in life, my friend. :p ;)
I know, it's not even funny that I can become obsessed like this. :eek:

[cosmoed]

59 secs to the rest of the day.

[HelloKitty]

well..It's one minute past 9:00AM EST now..guess will have to wait until tomorrow....

[gate]

I want PCI Express. A Dual-layer burner. And at least a 3 ghz.

Less than that I won't buy.

[Mr. Anderson]

It only requires a bit of self control....even if we have to wait till tomorrow to order these things (I'm getting a new iMac for my wife) you'll still have to wait for them to be delivered.

D

[iJaz]

I want PCI Express. A Dual-layer burner. And at least a 3 ghz.

Less than that I won't buy.
I guess you're going to save some money then. ;)

[gate]

I guess you're going to save some money then. ;)

I keep my fingers crossed because I really need a new machine.

[le_coc]

Guys I can't stand it anymore......

hate this so much..

Think about buying a 15" powerbook instead.. a powermac or iMac!
Want to order a new Mac!

[aussie_geek]

Guys I can't stand it anymore......

hate this so much..

Think about buying a 15" powerbook instead.. a powermac or iMac!
Want to order a new Mac!

Same here dude!!

Oh well, see you all same place in about 24 hours :D


aussie_geek


ps - appleinsider is showing photo's of the palletts the macs are on. They are covered in black plastic... Maybe the G5's look different as well...

see
here (http://www.appleinsider.com/news.php?id=1026)

[Erik W.]

Just saw this link on an AppleInsider message post:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007OW502/ref%3Damb%5Fright-1%5F208631%5F4/104-3118081-1209533

Of course, at this point, I just don't believe anything anymore, until I see it on Apple's store.

-erik

[blitzkrieg79]

Wasn't IBM supposed to be in the forefront of the multicore processor revolution??? I mean they were ahead of AMD and Intel in dual core technology in its processors by a COUPLE OF YEARS for gods sake in their Power4 line... Add to it the experience they gained in the CELL project (where its a basically a nine core chip) and after all this years they couldnt manage to come up with a dual core for Apple? It all stinks but I still believe that something rather big is comming up, maybe not on this update but probably around January and such... We might see a totally new architecture... And one last thing, does anyone have any idea if the new Intel dual cores and AMDs duals show improvement in performance per core per clock cycle over the previous generation?

[aussie_geek]

Just saw this link on an AppleInsider message post:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007OW502/ref%3Damb%5Fright-1%5F208631%5F4/104-3118081-1209533

Of course, at this point, I just don't believe anything anymore, until I see it on Apple's store.

-erik

A few minutes too late dude - but good job anyway - there is a separate thread
here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=122312)

aussie_geek

[gate]

Just saw this link on an AppleInsider message post:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007OW502/ref%3Damb%5Fright-1%5F208631%5F4/104-3118081-1209533

Of course, at this point, I just don't believe anything anymore, until I see it on Apple's store.

-erik

*****! Very disappointed. Very.

[pgre]

Wasn't IBM supposed to be in the forefront of the multicore processor revolution??? I mean they were ahead of AMD and Intel in dual core technology in its processors by a COUPLE OF YEARS for gods sake in their Power4 line... Add to it the experience they gained in the CELL project (where its a basically a nine core chip) and after all this years they couldnt manage to come up with a dual core for Apple? It all stinks but I still believe that something rather big is comming up, maybe not on this update but probably around January and such... We might see a totally new architecture... And one last thing, does anyone have any idea if the new Intel dual cores and AMDs duals show improvement in performance per core per clock cycle over the previous generation?

You may be forgetting price as a factor here.. and power consumption etc etc.. IBM's Power line cost a little bit more than a Mac.

[lewchenko]

The prices are as follows (from AMAZON) :

Dual 2.0 - $1994.99
Dual 2.3 - $2494.99
Dual 2.7 - $2994.99

eeek ! :(

[FFTT]

If this CLEARANCE SALE speed bump crap is all we get after 10 months,
then what can we expect to see from Apple at WWDC :confused:

My money is staying in the bank till June! :mad:

IBM has announced that they're working on 4 G bps fibre channel mid level storage solution for release in June 2005.

This may just be a hint of things to come

IBM Pushing 4G-Bps Storage

By*Brian Fonseca
April 25, 2005

IBM is responding to the escalating capacity and performance challenges plaguing many midrange storage customers by embracing the benefits of 4G-bps Fibre Channel interface technology.

Next month IBM will announce its IBM TotalStorage DS4800 disk array storage product. To be available in June, the newest member of IBM's TotalStorage DS4000 Series—renamed last year from FAStT (Fibre Array Storage Technology)—will feature 4G-bps connectivity and greater cache sizes, enabling higher performance and boosted bandwidth capabilities, said Harold Pike, worldwide product manager for Midrange Disk Systems at IBM, in Armonk, N.Y.

"We're going to revise the entire DS4000 Series. [The DS4800] is only the beginning," said Pike. "All the TotalStorage products that will be coming out this year and going into next year will be 4 G bps."

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1789357,00.asp

how about that with your all new Pro series

XStation Quadra/ XServe Quadra RAID setup?

I'm seriously waiting

[The Truth]

Do we know the prices of the whole range yet?

Edit:Oh never mind.

[NevadaJack]

Well I stopped refreshing the Apple Store and I am now refreshing the Amazon.com site for the latest information on Apple products. Seems Apple can't compete timewise with the rumor sites or the selling sites. Maybe Steve should spend some time taking care of his consumers instead of playing games elsewhere.

What the H*** is going on when a retail site publishes the release of a new set of hardware and prices before the manufacturer? Does not speak well for management of Apple!

Where will the next bit of information come from about the iMac?

[blitzkrieg79]

You may be forgetting price as a factor here.. and power consumption etc etc.. IBM's Power line cost a little bit more than a Mac.

Well of course price is a factor BUT IBM had Power4 technology ready in 2001 and it took them 3 years to develop the entire architecture so I dont think that since 2001 (which is already 4 years) they couldnt develop technology that would allow them to add dual core to existing 970s for a slight increase in its price... My point is that IBM has been exposed to dual core technology far longer than AMD or Intel and yet they couldnt come up with it first in the desktop market... and I am not talking about few months ahead, they were couple of years ahead...

[matznentosh]

...Apple was supposed to beat AMD and Intel in annoucing dual core technology and soon after quad core to blow everybody away. Steve, after all, does have an ego.

But good things come to those who wait. I suggest waiting for WWDC in early June. And you shall see....

My $.02


This seems like a highly dubious rumor to me. The Power5 or 6 or whatever is dual core, but I haven't heard of any quad core processors. I would think it very unlikely that a consumer level quad core processor would show up when dual cores are only now showing their snouts.

[iGary]

What if this is really fubar on Amazon's part and there is a missing model, or Apple's engineered this whole thing? :D

[wdlove]

It only requires a bit of self control....even if we have to wait till tomorrow to order these things (I'm getting a new iMac for my wife) you'll still have to wait for them to be delivered.

D

We could still be in luck Mr. Anderson. I'm hoping that the Rev. B iMac G5 will be available for sale Friday for the "Tiger World Premiere."

[imz]

I just woke up at 4am (Wednesday, Aussie time)...and no change on the Apple website...d'oh. Can't get back to sleep now.

[zwida]

hell yeah. down it goes.

[aswitcher]

hell yeah. down it goes.


Yep, USA is down ! :)

[fmazzola]

Apple store is down!