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MacRumors
Sep 1, 2011, 09:56 PM
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SFWeekly (http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/09/sfpd_iphone_5.php) has cast some serious doubts about the lost iPhone 5 report (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/31/apple-loses-another-iphone-prototype-at-a-bar/) posted by CNet yesterday. CNet had reported that an Apple employee had lost an iPhone prototype at a San Francisco restaurant and bar in July. Apple and the San Francisco Police reportedly investigated and even tracked down the location to a house which was searched.

SFWeekly called the San Francisco Police Department and discovered that they had no records of any investigation nor of any visit or search of the house claimed in the original article.Esparza says no records of the visit to Bernal Heights by police officers -- which should be recorded in documentation per standard SFPD procedures -- exist at either Mission or Ingleside stations, at least one of which would have handled the incident. (Ingleside station covers Bernal Heights, while the phone was allegedly lost at Cava 22, a bar in the Mission.) Police dispatchers also have no records of any incident involving the address where the search for the phone supposedly took place, Esparza says.Furthermore, the officer they spoke to said they had told CNet's reporter the same just weeks ago. Despite this, CNet reports their information came from someone 'familiar with the investigation". CNet has yet to clarify.

PCMag (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392295,00.asp) similarly contacted the San Francisco police who also denied any knowledge of the incident.

Article Link: San Francisco Police with No Record of Lost iPhone 5 Investigation (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/01/san-francisco-police-with-no-record-of-lost-iphone-5-investigation/)



kylebshr
Sep 1, 2011, 10:00 PM
if you would stop losing prototypes, we wouldn't have these stupid fake rumors!

Rudy69
Sep 1, 2011, 10:00 PM
CNet lying.... no way :rolleyes:

chrmjenkins
Sep 1, 2011, 10:01 PM
The whole thing has smelled kind of fishy. You're telling me this thing has been gone for over a month and no has paid to put it on the web?

arn
Sep 1, 2011, 10:04 PM
The whole thing has smelled kind of fishy. You're telling me this thing has been gone for over a month and no has paid to put it on the web?

Maybe it looks exactly like an iPhone 4 (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/26/iphone-n94-prototype-back-cover-is-this-actually-the-iphone-5/) :)

bb426
Sep 1, 2011, 10:06 PM
Reporting nowadays can be summed up in three words.

It HELLA sucks.

What's up CNet?

eawmp1
Sep 1, 2011, 10:06 PM
Publicity. For the bar, CNET, Apple. However, what are th chances of history repeating itself?

Tiggs
Sep 1, 2011, 10:25 PM
Elaborate hoax to drum up additional publicity? :rolleyes:

Illumination
Sep 1, 2011, 10:30 PM
Oh dear. Calling the police about the next iPhone. Talk about a new low. The police have better things to do than answer questions about a cell phone.

EDIT: -6? I feel so special. I love you all.

BC2009
Sep 1, 2011, 10:50 PM
Maybe somebody at CNET is part owner in that bar.

pdjudd
Sep 1, 2011, 10:57 PM
Oh dear. Calling the police about the next iPhone. Talk about a new low. The police have better things to do than answer questions about a cell phone.

Maybe, but their job is to respond to press inquiries like this. Of course this should have been done by CNET and they would never have bothered to publish, but thatís life I suppose (actually they did - oops!). I think we can call the prior study nonsense at this point. Itís highly unlikely to be true. Either the Police is lying or the sole unnamed source is. Given that we have somebody on the record denying the events happened, I question the source even more than before.

undertowmusic
Sep 1, 2011, 10:57 PM
crafty publicity scam to get mentions for the bar.

pdjudd
Sep 1, 2011, 11:12 PM
crafty publicity scam to get mentions for the bar.

Itís possible a phone was lost in that bar and that phone is an iPhone. Itís very likely the rest is just a bunch of hooey that was made up afterward since the same thing happened last year. Who knows what this source really knows. I doubt that this source is from Apple though. Iím betting Apple is rather confused right now and is trying to communicate with all of itís engineers to make sure any prototypes are accounted for - something they arenít talking about.

theBB
Sep 2, 2011, 12:27 AM
As soon as the rumor came out, there were people who got suspicious as the article was so gushing about the menu options at the bar. It sounds like a publicity stunt for the bar and another low point for CNET.

ChrisA
Sep 2, 2011, 12:43 AM
Have you ever been some place where an even happened that later shows up on the news. I have several times. In each case some reporter shows up, sometimes with a camera crew. Typically that are completely clueless about what is going on and ask a few questions, stay for 15 minutes then leave. later when I see the story they generally have the basic outline of the facts right but all the details wrong and some stuff they must have just made up. The print media is lightly better as they are doing more than a 15 second spot.

Can't blame them to much as they aren't experts on what they write about and are on short deadline.

on-line it's FAR worse as reporters mostly "report" on what they read on-line and never bother to fact check so these stories are cut and pasted from each other's web sites like a dog tail-chasing.

cms2
Sep 2, 2011, 01:07 AM
Tacky, CNet. That's all I'm sayin'... :cool:

caliguy
Sep 2, 2011, 01:28 AM
Ok, so maybe there was no prototype iPhone lost at Cava 22, but did you know they offer a lime-marinated shrimp ceviche?

Juan007
Sep 2, 2011, 01:45 AM
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One moron makes up a story and the entire media reports it as fact. Next time confirm with sources, it's called being a journalist.

I knew it was a bogus story all along. No way someone loses another prototype in a bar, Steve would come out of retirement just to rip the loser a new *****.

AIP5
Sep 2, 2011, 02:06 AM
This story sounded way too much like an action movie to be true. With the world's wealthiest corporation dispatching "agents" to recover an unknown product, etc. Just don't think it's true....

Besides, we would have seen the leaked images of it by now, right?

old-school
Sep 2, 2011, 02:43 AM
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Obvious PR for the bar.

The Beatles
Sep 2, 2011, 04:33 AM
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Reporting nowadays can be summed up in three words.

It HELLA sucks.

What's up CNet?

The Media and especially web based news has lost it's credibility a long time ago. It's just clicks for ad revenue.

Have you ever wondered why web sites span a story across five different pages? It's all about the click. Screw the user and their experience.

The Beatles
Sep 2, 2011, 04:38 AM
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As soon as the rumor came out, there were people who got suspicious as the article was so gushing about the menu options at the bar. It sounds like a publicity stunt for the bar and another low point for CNET.

Thing is, marketers and businesses need to start thinking twice because all this crafty marketing BS has made me dislike businesses. I would rather NOT eat/drink at that bar because now I see them as deceitful and untrustworthy.

vitzr
Sep 2, 2011, 04:38 AM
That's OK, I still think the whole thing is hillarious.

Perhaps they were just mocking Apple :)

You've got to have a sense of humor!

mac=saif
Sep 2, 2011, 04:41 AM
Even if this were true, how can a dude lose a one of a kind iPhone 5 prototype in a restaurant? It should be the first thing on his agenda to check for the iPhone when he leaves.
Saying that I have never managed to lose any of my mobile phones when I'm outside, not to forget my iPhone.
This is just a publicity stunt or that Apple engineer has go to be really dumb. Which I highly doubt latter!

Glideslope
Sep 2, 2011, 05:36 AM
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2nd post. Never Happened.

till213
Sep 2, 2011, 07:07 AM
Ok, so maybe there was no prototype iPhone lost at Cava 22, but did you know they offer a lime-marinated shrimp ceviche?

Hell yeah, and the nice tequila shots, too! Remember, it's on the corner of 22nd... ;)

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Even if this were true, how can a dude lose a one of a kind iPhone 5 prototype in a restaurant?

You mean... like that other Apple dude who lost the iPhone 4 prototype last year in another public bar (which unfortunatelly doesn't serve lime-marinated shrimp ceviche)? Now that is a fact...!

phreebsd
Sep 2, 2011, 07:21 AM
i wouldn't be visiting CACA 22 after this stunt.

EmbraceTheOne
Sep 2, 2011, 08:59 AM
So it was all a hoax?

toddybody
Sep 2, 2011, 09:04 AM
I blame him.
http://www.cnet.com/i/bto/20090616/photo-795128_270x359.jpg




Gosh, I hate that guy.

Mad-B-One
Sep 2, 2011, 09:14 AM
Yea I doubt that the final version is anywhere out there on the streets like it was with the iPhone 4. There was an earlier article talking about test phones in camouflage boxes etc. - that shows me that Apple learned from that and doesn't do something that stupid again.

Another hint, look at the time line: The iPhone will not come within the next 4 weeks so they probably don't have even the engineers running around with them. Too much risk.

Also: IF the next iPhone is so closely resembled in the prior generation, they might just test it in a iPhone 4 dummy. Things like this are way more common that you think. When I worked for a car supplier, the first Audi Q7 prototypes looked almost exactly like VW Touaregs just having a different back seat door for the longer wheel base. At the least I would expect that there is more duck-tape on it than on a seeifixedit (http://seeifixedit.com/view/there-i-fixed-it/213) faucet. Let's be realistic: Phones nowadays have pretty good cameras and just playing with one or answering a call can compromise the top secret design.

jrue
Sep 2, 2011, 09:42 AM
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No one even bothered to even check the surveillance footage, which makes it all the less believable.

http://missionlocal.org/2011/09/forgotten-at-cava-22-credit-cards-laptops-and-an-iphone-5-prototype/

johncarync
Sep 2, 2011, 09:50 AM
I saw a report that CNET reporters had a lower IQ than reporters at other sites.;)

pdjudd
Sep 2, 2011, 10:11 AM
So it was all a hoax?

Like all good stories, there may be a kernel of truth to it. My guess is at the very most, someone actually lost an iPhone at the restaurant in question, but it had nothing to do with Apple. Itís wasnít an Apple prototype nor was it even the property of Apple inc. Somebody heard ďiphone lost in a barĒ and remembering last years events, filled in the rest of the parts in with made up details. Either that or there was some huge mix-up on CNETís end with their source.

Unless this ďunnamed source familiar with the matterĒ is ever identified, we wonít ever know. I doubt that CNET will identify their sources if they ever want to remain trusted...

wonko33
Sep 2, 2011, 10:20 AM
The need to be first to report something far outweighs the need to be right. People usually remember your scoops longer than your false reports.

The news media is a joke, web news media doubly so.

Doctor Q
Sep 2, 2011, 10:51 AM
Occam's razor says the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation, so I think it's a true story and there's a massive coverup by Apple, the police, all other officials involved, and all news media other than CNet. Apple probably paid out millions in hush money, is about to buy CNet to silence them, and has the perpetrators locked up in secret dungeons under the Apple campus.

Or maybe it was just a publicity stunt. :D

accessoriesguy
Sep 2, 2011, 11:41 AM
Occam's razor says the simplest explanation is the most likely explanation, so I think it's a true story and there's a massive coverup by Apple, the police, all other officials involved, and all news media other than CNet. Apple probably paid out millions in hush money, is about to buy CNet to silence them, and has the perpetrators locked up in secret dungeons under the Apple campus.

Or maybe it was just a publicity stunt. :D

how is a massive coverup in any way the simplest explanation as apposed to nothing actually happened. :confused:

Berk Thomas
Sep 2, 2011, 12:14 PM
Lost in July and reported in August? i'd be more inclined to believe this if it were lost in July and reported 18 minutes later.

On a completely different note, does anyone know where I can get a decent lime-marinated ceviche in this town?

branjosef
Sep 2, 2011, 12:28 PM
San Francisco... one place I wouldn't mind falling off into the ocean. :mad:

blackboxxx
Sep 2, 2011, 12:39 PM
Apple probably paid out millions in hush money, is about to buy CNet to silence them, and has the perpetrators locked up in secret dungeons under the Apple campus.
I heard they were previously used as HumanCentiPad development labs.

eawmp1
Sep 2, 2011, 12:56 PM
how is a massive coverup in any way the simplest explanation as apposed to nothing actually happened. :confused:

If you're gonna use emoticons, you better learn to read them. ;)

arn
Sep 2, 2011, 01:28 PM
So an update:

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/02/apple-investigators-posed-as-police-in-new-lost-iphone-prototype-search/

ABCDEFGHIJKLMAO
Sep 2, 2011, 03:55 PM
okay..whos lying?

Illumination
Sep 2, 2011, 05:03 PM
okay..whos lying?
The police of course! Apple would never lie! Never ever ever. :apple::apple::apple:

[/sarcasm]

Calidude
Sep 2, 2011, 05:37 PM
If this story is true, I can imagine a lot of Apple supporters being really mad about this part.

Calderůn, an American citizen who lives with multiple generations of family members, all of whom he said are staying in the U.S. legally, said one of the men also threatened his relatives about their immigration status. "One of the officers is like, 'Is everyone in this house an American citizen?' They said we were all going to get into trouble.'"

QuantumLo0p
Sep 3, 2011, 10:36 AM
On Slash-something-or-other's site...A later report indicates police were present, but they stood outside while Apple employees searched the house.

If this is true...omg what a an ***** blunder.


Other than that, I can't wait to get my hands on the new iPhone 5 when it comes out.
:)

TonyC28
Sep 3, 2011, 10:41 AM
I've never been to SF. Is that bar in a bad neighborhood or something? What's with the bars over the windows?

fourseasky
Sep 5, 2011, 01:36 AM
The latest news has reported it is true.

gri
Sep 5, 2011, 08:25 AM
Easy. Someone lost his iP4 and the easiest way of getting it back is posting as Apple/SFPD... Case closed.

aoifeee
Sep 5, 2011, 12:08 PM
I have no idea what to believe!