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iBreatheApple
Sep 6, 2011, 05:33 PM
That'd be great if you could use it for finder, iTunes, and such. I dont get why it's Safari only.



QuarterSwede
Sep 6, 2011, 05:34 PM
Two finger scrolling is system wide ... is that not what you're referring to?

iBreatheApple
Sep 6, 2011, 05:39 PM
Two finger scrolling is system wide ... is that not what you're referring to?

Sorry, I should've been more clear. I mean swiping to go "forward" and "back". Say you were searching for something in finder and had to go through multiple sub folders to get there, it'd be nice to be able to swipe to go back. It'd also be great in the iTunes store.

QuarterSwede
Sep 6, 2011, 05:42 PM
Sorry, I should've been more clear. I mean swiping to go "forward" and "back". Say you were searching for something in finder and had to go through multiple sub folders to get there, it'd be nice to be able to swipe to go back. It'd also be great in the iTunes store.
Ah yes. Agreed. Hopefully that'll come in an update.

laudern
Sep 6, 2011, 06:37 PM
:confused:what are you guys talking about? I can "three finger swipe" forwards and backwards in itues, finder and anything else:eek:

marc11
Sep 6, 2011, 06:40 PM
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Download better touch tool and enable and manyore missing gestures.

iBreatheApple
Sep 6, 2011, 06:40 PM
:confused:what are you guys talking about? I can "three finger swipe" forwards and backwards in itues, finder and anything else:eek:

I have 3 finger dragging turned on but I don't know how that would affect two finger swiping. Are you sure? Go to iTunes and click a few things and try swiping back. I don't believe you can.

Young Spade
Sep 6, 2011, 06:42 PM
I have 3 finger dragging turned on but I don't know how that would affect two finger swiping. Are you sure? Go to iTunes and click a few things and try swiping back. I don't believe you can.

Lol I went to go try and enable that 3 finger drag but I forgot I'm running W7. I'll see how that works out and check if I like it more than clicking/dragging.

iBreatheApple
Sep 6, 2011, 06:51 PM
Lol I went to go try and enable that 3 finger drag but I forgot I'm running W7. I'll see how that works out and check if I like it more than clicking/dragging.

On the 11" trackpad it's a no choice for me, click and holding the trackpad down to move things around just doesn't work well. I tend to "let go" of the button.

Young Spade
Sep 6, 2011, 06:53 PM
On the 11" trackpad it's a no choice for me, click and holding the trackpad down to move things around just doesn't work well. I tend to "let go" of the button.

There is a dead-spot at the bottom 1/4th of the trackpad right? In the 11 inch? You click with your thumb there and move your finger to move the item.

At first I didn't know that and loved using the last gen MB with the physical clicker, but after I realized the deadspot and the ability to drag that way, it works flawlessly.

laudern
Sep 6, 2011, 11:31 PM
I have 3 finger dragging turned on but I don't know how that would affect two finger swiping. Are you sure? Go to iTunes and click a few things and try swiping back. I don't believe you can.

yep I dont have that 3 finger drag turned on and I can use my 3 finger swipe to go forwards and backwards in finder, itunes, iphoto and whatever...

godzilla1200
Sep 6, 2011, 11:38 PM
A lot of stuff in Lion lost their "nativeness" across the OS. Scrolling, Spaces, Exposť, etc. Apple really messed up this OS. I am 100% of OSX and wouldn't go back to a PC, but seriously, Apple devs made horrible decisions this time.

On topic, I had to go back to three fingers swipe because of that reason. I use a lot the back and forward swipe in Finder, and I rather have that, than two fingers swipe in Safari.

iBreatheApple
Sep 6, 2011, 11:51 PM
Why would having 3 finger dragging turn this feature off? Because when you turn 3 finger drag on, it switches swiping left and right to 2 fingers automatically. So why can't I 2 finger swipe within the OS... makes no sense.

Yumunum
Sep 6, 2011, 11:56 PM
Yeah Apple really screwed this up. I really couldn't believe they messed up something so great.

2 finger swipe? Not even system-wide? 3 finger swiping in Snow Leapord was amazing. I realize I can still have it, but Apple has it turned off by default, which sucks for new users.

tkermit
Sep 7, 2011, 06:00 AM
If you have "Three finger drag" enabled, you can use four fingers while holding down the alt(option)-key to go back and forward in Finder, iTunes, iPhoto, Mail etc.

iBreatheApple
Sep 7, 2011, 08:39 AM
If you have "Three finger drag" enabled, you can use four fingers while holding down the alt(option)-key to go back and forward in Finder, iTunes, iPhoto, Mail etc.

How complicated.

tkermit
Sep 7, 2011, 08:51 AM
How complicated.

I guess. But for two finger swiping functionality the way it's implemented in Safari, with pre-rendered views and sliding animations etc., to work system-wide, you need to have support from individual applications. The system can't just force an existing app to work this way.

iBreatheApple
Sep 7, 2011, 09:08 AM
I guess. But for two finger swiping functionality the way it's implemented in Safari, with pre-rendered views and sliding animations etc., to work system-wide, you need to have support from individual applications. The system can't just force an existing app to work this way.

I don't care about the effects, I just want the functionality. Since two0finger swiping does nothing in the system how hard could it be to assign 4-swipe+alt to do this. I'm no dev but it just doesn't make sense.

JTToft
Sep 7, 2011, 09:09 AM
Well, I use the two-finger swipe in Safari and the old three finger swipe in everything else. It works just fine, but it is a tad inelegant to have different gestures for the same functionality in different applications.

iBreatheApple
Sep 7, 2011, 09:12 AM
Well, I use the two-finger swipe in Safari and the old three finger swipe in everything else. It works just fine, but it is a tad inelegant to have different gestures for the same functionality in different applications.

I just can't see myself using click and drag instead of 3 finger dragging, it's very complicating with no dedicated clicker.

tkermit
Sep 7, 2011, 09:23 AM
Since two0finger swiping does nothing in the system

I think you're forgetting about scrolling there ;)

iBreatheApple
Sep 7, 2011, 09:24 AM
I think you're forgetting about scrolling there ;)

That's scrolling, not swiping. And Safari can handle scrolling and swiping...?

Typswif2fingers
Sep 7, 2011, 09:26 AM
I am here.. Who was asking for me?

tkermit
Sep 7, 2011, 09:38 AM
That's scrolling, not swiping. And Safari can handle scrolling and swiping...?

It's the exact same gesture. Safari can handle that because it's been programmed to differentiate between scrolling and swiping. Web pages also usually don't need to be scrolled horizontally by a whole lot if at all. I'm not saying it isn't possible for other apps to implement Safari's behavior, but it can take a fair amount of work and I'd rather have Apple really think it through instead of providing a half-assed solution just for the sake of superficial consistency.

Speaking of half-assed solutions. iCal's animations when browsing through months or years with a two-finger swipe seem really annoying to me. Especially since you have to wait for each individual animation to be finished before you're able to perform another swipe gesture.

mrboult
Sep 7, 2011, 05:58 PM
I would say the best option is to turn off 3 finger drag and use 3 fingers swipes for Fwd/Rev across the whole system.

I can imagine 2 finger swipes in safari must get confused with sideways scrolling when/if you pinched/zoomed right into a web page?

Actually the best option is to turn off all 3&4 finger gestures in System Prefs and dowload 'Bettertouchtool' . Then you can have pretty much any gesture you like do anything you like . Done!

Ruahrc
Sep 8, 2011, 02:35 AM
Speaking of half-assed solutions. iCal's animations when browsing through months or years with a two-finger swipe seem really annoying to me. Especially since you have to wait for each individual animation to be finished before you're able to perform another swipe gesture.

This seems to be an OS-wide problem (too many animations that you are forced to wait through).

I don't know how you guys are getting 3-finger swiping. I only have the magic mouse (no trackpad) and there is no option for 3-finger swiping anything. As it is there is no way for me to swipe back/forwards in the Finder, no matter how many or how few fingers I use. It's super frustrating because I got very used to two-finger swiping all over the place in Snow Leopard.

Seems like moving from the mighty mouse to the magic mouse I lost mousing functionality (fewer buttons), and moving from SL to Lion I have lost even more. We're rapidly regressing to the olden days of the 1 button mouse here! Maybe it's time I give up and get a real mouse.

I don't consider it a good solution to have to turn to 3rd party programs to fix what Apple broke in the first place. This is just simply bad UI design or extremely sloppy coding, both things that seem to be anathema at Apple. Besides, I tried BTT in SL to "fix" the functionality of the magic mouse and it never seemed to work- I would have to manually start it up every time I booted.

Ruahrc

Young Spade
Sep 8, 2011, 08:10 AM
I don't consider it a good solution to have to turn to 3rd party programs to fix what Apple broke in the first place. This is just simply bad UI design or extremely sloppy coding, both things that seem to be anathema at Apple. Besides, I tried BTT in SL to "fix" the functionality of the magic mouse and it never seemed to work- I would have to manually start it up every time I booted.

Ruahrc

This. Which is why I was ecstatic to get a 2011 MBP with SL installed. They just put too much emphasis on UI and looks and not enough on functionality. They have a very interesting philosophy that, when executed correctly, makes our lives easy.

However, I think they followed it a bit too far; but they know that now, which is good, so I think the next iteration will be really amazing.