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TyleRomeo
Oct 4, 2002, 08:39 AM
hey anyone besides me order one of these puppies?

I have yet to receive mine, supposedly theres a shipping strike that's delaying the order. i ordered mine over 2 weeks ago

Has anyone else here recieved theirs, or heard news from formac when they would be arriving?

tyler

Frobozz
Oct 4, 2002, 09:24 AM
I know for a fact that the west coast is having a dock worker's strike. Most large shipments come via boat from Asia-- where most LCD displays are made. I would watch the news to see when the labor dispute is solved because it looks like this is out of Formac's control. My girlfriend's company makes watches that are shipped from Hon Kong and are in a holding pattern off the west coast.

About the only thing these shipments can do is possibly go through Alaska? Unless that's also "west cost."

I just got a nice Sony SDM X-82 18.1" LCD. Switched from a Sony 19" 420GS. I have to say this is the best decision I've made in years. If I had the dough, I would have sprung for that Formac 2010. They use the Fujitsu MVA screens which are the best money can buy by my research.

TyleRomeo
Oct 4, 2002, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by Frobozz
I know for a fact that the west coast is having a dock worker's strike. Most large shipments come via boat from Asia-- where most LCD displays are made. I would watch the news to see when the labor dispute is solved because it looks like this is out of Formac's control. My girlfriend's company makes watches that are shipped from Hon Kong and are in a holding pattern off the west coast.

About the only thing these shipments can do is possibly go through Alaska? Unless that's also "west cost."

I just got a nice Sony SDM X-82 18.1" LCD. Switched from a Sony 19" 420GS. I have to say this is the best decision I've made in years. If I had the dough, I would have sprung for that Formac 2010. They use the Fujitsu MVA screens which are the best money can buy by my research.

thanx man, i'll be on the lookout, yeah i that sony 18.1 is sweet, enjoy it

tyler

TimDaddy
Oct 4, 2002, 11:30 AM
Even though I am pretty anti-union, I feel the need to defend the union on this one. They are NOT on strike. There has been an ongoing labor dispute for I believe over a year. The company that runs the docks are adding a computerized inventory management system. This will result in many new jobs. Instead of making these jobs available for union members to transfer into, the company wants to fill them with new, non-union, lower paid employees. Basically, they are adding jobs but the jobs are off limits to current employees. The company is accusing the union of illegally, intentionally slowing down work. Their claims have not been proven, so I don't know who is telling the truth there. But, the fact is, the COMPANY chose to lock out all of the employees. The employees did NOT authorize a strike. But, I'm sure the Bush administration will make it look like the union is the party that doesn't care about their damage to the American economy, even though the work stoppage was directly caused by the company. I'm not a popular guy at my job right now. Most of us are anti-union and Bush supporters. I am too most of the time, but I must dissent right now. I haven't had a minute of overtime all week because our company is afraid of running out of parts. They say if the dispute goes on for a few more days we WILL shut down completely. Another of our company's plants, located in California, was forced to send its workers home on Thursday with no word on when production will resume. All my cowokers are saying that the union is taking food out of their children's mouths. I say the company that runs the docks is doing that. Has anyone else here been effected by the Longshoremen's dispute?

TyleRomeo
Oct 4, 2002, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by TimDaddy
Even though I am pretty anti-union, I feel the need to defend the union on this one. They are NOT on strike. There has been an ongoing labor dispute for I believe over a year. The company that runs the docks are adding a computerized inventory management system. This will result in many new jobs. Instead of making these jobs available for union members to transfer into, the company wants to fill them with new, non-union, lower paid employees. Basically, they are adding jobs but the jobs are off limits to current employees. The company is accusing the union of illegally, intentionally slowing down work. Their claims have not been proven, so I don't know who is telling the truth there. But, the fact is, the COMPANY chose to lock out all of the employees. The employees did NOT authorize a strike. But, I'm sure the Bush administration will make it look like the union is the party that doesn't care about their damage to the American economy, even though the work stoppage was directly caused by the company. I'm not a popular guy at my job right now. Most of us are anti-union and Bush supporters. I am too most of the time, but I must dissent right now. I haven't had a minute of overtime all week because our company is afraid of running out of parts. They say if the dispute goes on for a few more days we WILL shut down completely. Another of our company's plants, located in California, was forced to send its workers home on Thursday with no word on when production will resume. All my cowokers are saying that the union is taking food out of their children's mouths. I say the company that runs the docks is doing that. Has anyone else here been effected by the Longshoremen's dispute?

do you know how the talks are going and when a possible strike settlement would take place?

tyler

uhlawboi80
Oct 4, 2002, 02:32 PM
well if it is already negatively affecting industries outside of the shipping/dock industry then this is now falling on Bush's head. he has the power to force them back to work if it is a strike, if it is a lockout he has the power to stop that too if it endangers other industries not involved (or the safety of the country). Make everyone go back to work then FORCE them to negotiate. Oh, and PS, the union needs to get its $h!t together, because if this does in anyway involve the unions rights, they can sue for the lock out and possibly bad faith on the part of the dock comapnies for not making an effort to negotiate and end the dispute(its labor union laws that came about after boulware).

I personally feel bad for factory workers or others being affected by this. Many of them DONT have the ability to keep alot of money aside and this is surely hurting their families. Its wrong for them to suffer over this.

TheAnswer
Oct 4, 2002, 03:08 PM
Basically, the reason the company locked out these dock workers is because during the month of September the workers started a slow down that resulted in an effective closing of the ports...they went from unloading an average of 30 containers per worker, to 3 containers per worker.

I'm usually pro-union in blue-collar worker cases, because I believe whatever one chooses to do (if it's a job that needs done) they should be able to make a living from it. However, this west coast dockworkers union is living off antiquated rules (a rule meant to keep people from being worked to death actually lifting cargo (by hand) during WWII is now in place only in West Coast ports for people who operate cranes)...resulting in an average of 4 hours of work for every 8 hours of pay. Not to mention these workers average upwards of $80,000 a year not including overtime.

No wonder the company wants to replace a small number of them with computer clerks working 8 hours a day and earning $40K-50K a year.

filmcutter
Oct 4, 2002, 03:17 PM
...but what about the monitors???
:(

Nipsy
Oct 4, 2002, 03:20 PM
I think it is fair to pay a higner than average wage here in the Bay Area, where our costs of living are astronomical, however, after watching an indepth news story on this last night, I'm disgusted.

The AVERAGE dock worker at Port of Oakland makes $98,000. The AVERAGE supervisor makes $125,000. These averages include part time workers.

This is an example of Unionized labor getting OUT of hand. These guys are driving forklifts and making thrice what a TEACHER makes, twice what a NURSE makes, and more than most of the dot.commers that blue collar workers were so quick to usher out of the Bay Area.

It makes me wonder why I bothered to go to school and learn. If I can make $125k as a dock supervisor, and get a little exercise walking around the port all day, why not.

Hell, soon it may be $150k...

uhlawboi80
Oct 4, 2002, 03:59 PM
yeah, i watched a special a while back on the "super crane" they have at the docks and even though it isnt a job some moron of the street could do..they DO get paid WAY too much. the unions get greedy and think that trash men in NYC need to be paid 70K or in this case dock workers pulling in 100K. Bush should force them back to work all the same. and like i said b4...if the union has CLAIMS to these jobs they need to go about this another way (though if they really did slow down work like TheAnswer says, the union is up a creek legally) i.e. via the courts. BUT it sounds like if these are IT type jobs a blue collar workers union has no claim to contract these positions..besides, if they require much IT experience, what are the chances the average dock worker could even do them?

Sounds to me like th union just wants a strangle hold on the docks...ALL of the jobs there.

TheAnswer
Oct 4, 2002, 04:30 PM
The dockworkers were working without a contract when they started the slowdown...they rejected a continuation of the current contract because the contract specifically outlaws slowdowns...so I'm guessing that a slowdown with no contract is perfectly legal...I'm not positive, though.

TimDaddy
Oct 5, 2002, 09:59 AM
I don't know what to believe. I've read that the inventory management system will create new jobs, and the unions problem is that they want them. I've read that the new system will eliminate jobs, which makes the unions problem with them quite obvious. The lates article I read said that the company wants to make use of simple technology that is already available by downloading the data into the system, whereas the union wants new workers to be hired to enter the data by hand. If the latter is truly the main cause of the problem, then I take back anything I have said defending the union. I don't like the idea of using technology to displace workers, but not using technology to force a company to hire unneeded new workers is ridiculous.

Wes
Oct 5, 2002, 10:04 AM
My formac was made in Germany ;-)

1740 adc, I would have thought the 2010 was too, but maybe not.

pgwalsh
Oct 11, 2002, 11:28 AM
Any word on the Formac monitors? Someone was going to post comments after they received the new monitor. Comments will be apprecaited.

Thanks!

TyleRomeo
Oct 18, 2002, 12:32 PM
well now its mid october and i am still without my gallery 2010, anyone recieve theirs yet? or contacted formac for some explanation for the current delay.

tyler

javajedi
Oct 19, 2002, 12:54 PM
I too am considering a Formac 2010, up from an NEC 18.1, but have called two of their local resellers in my area (Indianapolis) and both dropped them because of their "terrible" (and I quote)customer support.



I really am interested in this product, but do not want to be taken to the cleaners on this one.

I'd like to hear from anyone who DOES have one, if they could share their experiences with the rest of us...


Kevin

TyleRomeo
Oct 19, 2002, 04:45 PM
well as soon as mine comes in from this rediculous CA port strike, i'll let you know. It looks like im the only one at macrumors (not mactumors) to actually order one. And i think a product is supposed to be designed that you dont have to waste your time with customer support. I guess i'll find out when mine comes. i'm hoping for next week.

tyler

Rower_CPU
Oct 19, 2002, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by TyleRomeo
well as soon as mine comes in from this rediculous CA port strike, i'll let you know. It looks like im the only one at macrumors (not mactumors) to actually order one. And i think a product is supposed to be designed that you dont have to waste your time with customer support. I guess i'll find out when mine comes. i'm hoping for next week.

tyler

Two things...

1) It's not a CA port strike, even though some people think CA is the whole West coast.

2) The strike is over, but it will take them approximately two weeks (the amount of time the shipping was delayed) to catch back up.

NicoMan
Oct 20, 2002, 03:46 PM
Well at work i work on a dual-867 connected to 2 Formac 2010 (1 ADC and 1 DVI). They are absolutely superb. They are very bright and contrast is quite good on those. But i have to say that i don't work in graphics/design so i don't know (don't really care ?) if the color reproduction is precise and up to professional standards, though i have heard that on the 1740 they are very reliable.
Funny thing on the ADC is that it also comes with a power supply that you plug on a small socket that is placed on the ADC cable a few centimeters away from the ADC (so the power supply stays underneath the desk if that's where the PMac is). Same thing on the DVI, plus you have a small custom USB cable plugging into a hole next to the power socket. So everything is all very neat under the desk, with only one cable (carrying all signals, for both DVI and ADC) coming at the back of each monitors.
I have had those monitors for about a week and a half, and i am very happy i chose those (i needed good resolutions and preferably an all digital interface, and they offer much better bang for the buck than the apple displays). In England they are about 25% cheaper than the Apple 22" that has a lower resolution...
For me it is a must-have.
Let me know what you think when you get yours.

Nico

andrewh
Oct 22, 2002, 01:53 PM
I also ordered one of these displays. I called Formac yesterday to get an estimate on a shipping date and they said that the first group of displays was being received from the docks this week and I should get mine next week for sure. He said I was on the first list even though I only ordered it on the 14th of Oct, and that I was on his list of people to call to find out if I wanted ADC or DVI. Could be true but it sounded fishy. Apparently the Formac display connector which allows connecting to either with one device isn't quite ready yet. I'm in San Francisco so it shouldn't take long to get here. Sick of waiting. I'll also post my opinion when I get it.
--andrew

andrewh
Oct 24, 2002, 07:41 PM
Just got my Gallery 2010 today. Hooked it up. In a word, it's stunning. It is so incredibly bright I can't believe it. I've been frequently looking at the Apple Cinema Display in the stores as I was so close to buying one of those and I'm pretty sure that this display is brighter, as the specs suggest. The design is very nice and looks good in the middle of my Soundsticks. It does not feel flimsy or cheap as CNET's review of the 17 incher claimed. Feels solid. NO dead pixels.

I'm so glad I bought this display and was nervous about spending $1700 on something without seeing it in person. It was a good gamble. Simply Amazing.

I know most people prefer the widescreen format, but as a graphic designer doing print and web (no video) I like the extra workspace this monitor has over the Cinema. And the $800 price difference is kinda nice too.

--andrew

TyleRomeo
Oct 25, 2002, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by andrewh
Just got my Gallery 2010 today. Hooked it up. In a word, it's stunning. It is so incredibly bright I can't believe it. I've been frequently looking at the Apple Cinema Display in the stores as I was so close to buying one of those and I'm pretty sure that this display is brighter, as the specs suggest. The design is very nice and looks good in the middle of my Soundsticks. It does not feel flimsy or cheap as CNET's review of the 17 incher claimed. Feels solid. NO dead pixels.

I'm so glad I bought this display and was nervous about spending $1700 on something without seeing it in person. It was a good gamble. Simply Amazing.

I know most people prefer the widescreen format, but as a graphic designer doing print and web (no video) I like the extra workspace this monitor has over the Cinema. And the $800 price difference is kinda nice too.

--andrew

thats awesome andrew, did you get the DVI or ADC version of the monitor. I pre-ordered mine on September 18th and they said that they are out of the ADC models for the moment and will get more in a few weeks. They said that if I wanted the DVI version they would give me free 2nd day air for the monitor. I jumped on it becuase I cannot wait any longer for my monitor to arrive. And Dr. bott makes a cable adapter for $35 that gives me the option to plug my gallery into the ADC port. Really I think it makes no difference beucase they are both digital connections. Actually DVI is alot easier to deal with becuase if you want to attach a ADC monitor to a machine without a ADC port then youre looking at carrying around a $150 adapter. But i'll give my review of it once it comes in on Tuesday.

Andrew, what do you think of the 1600x1200 res.? Is it too small for a 20.1 LCD or does everything look in good proportions?

Tyler

andrewh
Oct 25, 2002, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by TyleRomeo


thats awesome andrew, did you get the DVI or ADC version of the monitor. I pre-ordered mine on September 18th and they said that they are out of the ADC models for the moment and will get more in a few weeks. They said that if I wanted the DVI version they would give me free 2nd day air for the monitor. I jumped on it becuase I cannot wait any longer for my monitor to arrive. And Dr. bott makes a cable adapter for $35 that gives me the option to plug my gallery into the ADC port. Really I think it makes no difference beucase they are both digital connections. Actually DVI is alot easier to deal with becuase if you want to attach a ADC monitor to a machine without a ADC port then youre looking at carrying around a $150 adapter. But i'll give my review of it once it comes in on Tuesday.

Andrew, what do you think of the 1600x1200 res.? Is it too small for a 20.1 LCD or does everything look in good proportions?

Tyler

I got the ADC version. You're right about the DVI version in that it gives you a little more flexibility for connecting to other video cards or a PC . But since I will always be using a Mac I'm safe with the ADC. You're fine though, you won't see any difference.

I think the 1600x1200 res is perfect for me. I have been using 21"CRT's for years which are really only about 19" and the extra inch or so seems to make a huge difference. It doesn't seem like it would but it really does. For me the text is nice and crisp and easy to read, but my eyes are really good. I could see some older folks might have some difficulty. Of course, in Jaguar you can change the text sizes in the finder and the antialiasing options, etc.

I researched this purchase for weeks, and to me the only other choice is the Cinema 22" but it's $2499 and two year old technology, with less workspace. Someday I'll get a 23" HD when the prices get better in about two or three years.

Anyway, I think you're gonna love it.

Freyr
Oct 29, 2002, 07:58 AM
How well does the Formac 2010 handle displaying live action movies on DVD?
Anyone have an opportunity to compare its performance with Apple screens in this regard?

Mr. Anderson
Oct 29, 2002, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by andrewh
Just got my Gallery 2010 today. Hooked it up. In a word, it's stunning. It is so incredibly bright I can't believe it.

Sounds great, congrats! I'm going to be very interested to see if Apple does anything to revamp its line of LCDs soon - these new monitors from Formac are definitely going to up the ante....I'll be looking at buying a pair of them when I get my new system next year.

D

andrewh
Oct 29, 2002, 05:09 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet


Sounds great, congrats! I'm going to be very interested to see if Apple does anything to revamp its line of LCDs soon - these new monitors from Formac are definitely going to up the ante....I'll be looking at buying a pair of them when I get my new system next year.

D

Apple will no doubt have some more beautiful displays coming out soon. I'm curious to see the supposedly new 19" widescreen. Two of those would be sweet. One thing is for certain, by next year you will have some good choices as the manufacturing costs of LCD's are supposed to be coming way down. Samsung, which manufactures Apple's LCD portion of their displays has created a new technique for making them cheaper. I'm sure Fujitsu is doing the same. It won't be long until 24" or 26" will be about $1500. I would say in 2004.

Also, since getting my Formac 2010 I went back to Compusa and looked at the Cinema 22. The Cinema is definitely not as bright and the colors not as vibrant. And you can easily see the response time difference by dragging a window around quickly. The Formac is very fast. I played some high res quicktimes on it the other night and there is absolutely no ghosting or lag. However with the widescreen ratio of the Cinema text is just a little bit bigger and easier to read which is an advantage for some people.

But yeah, two 2010's would be fantastic. I might get the 1740 with color calibrator next. I've been using dual displays for 5 years and it's hard getting used to one display, even if it is 1600x1200. I just like having all of my illustrator and flash palettes on one screen and art on the left. One screen is still not enough to accomodate Macromedia's terrible Flash MX interface. But that's off topic.

--andrew

TyleRomeo
Oct 30, 2002, 08:50 PM
just got my DVI Gallery 2010 in and i agree with the rest here thats its incredible. true 1600x1200 res is sick and I'm not even thinking about a second monitor.

Now I just need a dr. bott DVI extender cause the 1.5 meter cable is not long enought to reach my Power Mac. But that problem will be solved when the cable arrives on friday

Tyler

andrewh
Oct 30, 2002, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by TyleRomeo
just got my DVI Gallery 2010 in and i agree with the rest here thats its incredible. true 1600x1200 res is sick and I'm not even thinking about a second monitor.

Now I just need a dr. bott DVI extender cause the 1.5 meter cable is not long enought to reach my Power Mac. But that problem will be solved when the cable arrives on friday

Tyler


Tyler,

Are you using the default formacTFT2010 color profile? I tried making a new color profile using the calibrate tool and set the gamma to 2.2 (windows) since I design websites for the windows majority. I know it's all a matter of preference. With the mac gamma it's almost too bright to me, but still excellent.

What do you think of the text at 1600x1200?

TyleRomeo
Oct 31, 2002, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by andrewh



Tyler,

Are you using the default formacTFT2010 color profile? I tried making a new color profile using the calibrate tool and set the gamma to 2.2 (windows) since I design websites for the windows majority. I know it's all a matter of preference. With the mac gamma it's almost too bright to me, but still excellent.

What do you think of the text at 1600x1200?

I actually did the same as you, i changed it from 1.8 to 2.2, this monitor is so bright!!!!!! I don't think it makes a huge difference either way, the picture is crisp, sharp and beautiful with everyones personal touches on it.

As for the native res.......Im getting used to it, the reason why this montitor cost as much as it does is becuase of its native 1600x1200 res. otherwise we'd pay a couple hundered less if it was 1280x1024. I adjusted the size of files in itunes and the font in ichat and slightly increased folder size and font size. But i can't complain. FCP and other programs never looked so beautiful. Who needs a second monitor with the 2010? I payed so much for this monitor becuase it would be adiquate for my projects with only one monitor. I dont have the desk room for two Appple 17s. When my DVI extension cable comes, i'll let you know how it effects or better yet doesnt effect the image quality.

tyler

javajedi
Oct 31, 2002, 07:05 PM
Everyone is saying how bright and crisp it is, but what really concerns me is the 1600x1200 @ the 20.1".

Is this just a little too small for that res? I would love extra screen space, but not at the expense of it being unconfortable...

TyleRomeo
Nov 17, 2002, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by javajedi
Everyone is saying how bright and crisp it is, but what really concerns me is the 1600x1200 @ the 20.1".

Is this just a little too small for that res? I would love extra screen space, but not at the expense of it being unconfortable...

Trust me, you get used to it pretty quickly. All my friends think the monitor is bigger then 20.1 becuase of its incredibile res. I'm a little bummed since I discovered one dead pixel. But its alot better than having upto 10 on the Mac LCDs.

Tyler

Wes
Nov 17, 2002, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by javajedi
Everyone is saying how bright and crisp it is, but what really concerns me is the 1600x1200 @ the 20.1".

Is this just a little too small for that res? I would love extra screen space, but not at the expense of it being unconfortable...

My friend has an Alienware laptop. The screen is 15inch but the res is 1600x1200, it looks fine.

neonart
Nov 27, 2002, 07:18 PM
So I thought of upgrading and bought a Samsung 18.1. Before it arrived the wife says, you should get something that looks nicer... *whatever you say honey!*
So I looked and found the 2010 and I know I NEED one bad. But it's on massive backorder again! Talked to Formac and they said 2nd week in December.
So now I have a Samsung 181T sealed in the box tempting me to use it, but waiting for an RMA to return it. And the dream of a 2010 that won't be available for at least two weeks at best!
Should I just wait and get this alegedly amzing chunk of LCD or just settle for the 18.1 Samsung?
My Apple 15" DVI LCD feels less and less cooler every day...

pgwalsh
Nov 27, 2002, 09:02 PM
I say go for the 2010... Two weeks isn't too long. ta ta two weeks - Total Recall.

scem0
Nov 28, 2002, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by TyleRomeo


Trust me, you get used to it pretty quickly. All my friends think the monitor is bigger then 20.1 becuase of its incredibile res. I'm a little bummed since I discovered one dead pixel. But its alot better than having upto 10 on the Mac LCDs.

Tyler

One dead pixel only? Well, on large LCDs you are lucky if you only
have 1 dead pixel. Well, Im glad you like your monitor. You shouldn't
have looked for that dead pixel, because now your gunna see it every time youget close to the monitor. Youur eyes will just go to
it without thinking, and eventually you will hate your monitor.
That's whe you give it to me. Right?

Right? :confused: ;) :D

Gravity
Nov 28, 2002, 12:06 PM
I got a Formac 2010 display...and it went bad within five hours. Sent it back, no problem...they gave it a new video board and returned it to me. Now it works fine.

This display ROCKS! It is the sharpest and brightest display with an amazing viewing angle unrivaled by most LCD's. It's also rivals Apple's cinema displays for color accuracy. You can achieve true pantone color calibration with the Formac. Not so with the Apple Cinema display.

I find that the more square proportions of the display give it more USEABLE work space than the wide propportions of a 22" cinema display. That's important. You still can't have a full-sized spread and still have room for your pallets...but that's okay. it's a world better than the 21" Apple CRT I've been using for years. You get a true 20 inches of screen. And the nice thing about this monitor is that for $800 LESS than the 22 inch Apple display...this puppy is HIGH DEFINITION. The 22" monitor isn't. The 23" display is...but I haven't had a chance to use it, or read up on its color properties.

I highly recommend the Formac 2010. Also...yes, it handles full-motion video beautifully.

I am using it on a new G4 Macintosh, Dual 867 MhZ running OS X.2.2

My only regret is that I haven't the funds to buy one for the house!

Regards,
Gravity

TyleRomeo
Nov 29, 2002, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by scem0


One dead pixel only? Well, on large LCDs you are lucky if you only
have 1 dead pixel. Well, Im glad you like your monitor. You shouldn't
have looked for that dead pixel, because now your gunna see it every time youget close to the monitor. Youur eyes will just go to
it without thinking, and eventually you will hate your monitor.
That's whe you give it to me. Right?



umm, i'll think about it, one dead pixel isnt the end of the world. i do notice it ocasionally but then i realize that i have 20.1 LCD and i tell my self to shut up and stop being a baby.

Tyler

Computer_Phreak
Nov 29, 2002, 05:42 PM
ive heard that by gently rubbing the dead pixel, it has the possiblity of becoming better again...

TyleRomeo
Nov 29, 2002, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by Computer_Phreak
ive heard that by gently rubbing the dead pixel, it has the possiblity of becoming better again...

how much rubbing do i have to do here?

and how do i focus on just rubbing one pixel?

tyler

rainman::|:|
Nov 29, 2002, 10:04 PM
just *gently* rub the dead pixel for maybe 10 or 15 seconds and reboot (or turn the monitor off and back on)... i've heard a lot of people fix dead pixels this way. it wont work on factory defective pixels, but if it worked and then went dead, you have a chance... hope it works, don't be too upset if it doesnt tho :)

pnw

daveg5
Nov 30, 2002, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by javajedi
Everyone is saying how bright and crisp it is, but what really concerns me is the 1600x1200 @ the 20.1".

Is this just a little too small for that res? I would love extra screen space, but not at the expense of it being unconfortable...
it actually depends on your vision, many find the tibook and ibook ok 12.1 1024x768 etc.
I use a 19.8 viewable sony trinitron fd at 1600x1200 75% of the time, mostly in os9 using smooth type and its great, sometimes i take it up to 2048x1536 which is rather small when working in cubase.
i find 1600x1024 to be the probably the best on my monitor
and of course down to 640x480for games and 800X600 for dvds
One question I have is how do this large lcds handle different resolutions and were any pixels out i would hate to have even one pixel out for $2000
i am also so wondering if anyone makes a protective shield to prevent the young ones from damaging the screen .
Maybe when these get down to $500-$1000 in about a year i might go for one they sound great though

neonart
Nov 30, 2002, 09:00 AM
Rubbing has never worked for me. I have one on my 15" LCD and one on my iBook. Fortunately they are not dead center and not dead, just a wrong color. But thay are light and I don't really even remember unless I'm reading something about dead pixels on LCD's...;)

NYCFarmboy
Nov 30, 2002, 07:48 PM
I have a first generation g4 with a 400 mghz processor.

What card/type/ of Formac display should I order? The ACI or DVI?

What card do I need to install on my g4 to be able to use this lcd moniter?
or two of them together preferably?

neonart
Nov 30, 2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by NYCFarmboy
I have a first generation g4 with a 400 mghz processor.

What card/type/ of Formac display should I order? The ACI or DVI?

What card do I need to install on my g4 to be able to use this lcd moniter?
or two of them together preferably?
ADC will not work with your machine because the motherboard was not designed for it. Any card you get needs to have DVI (pretty much any Radeon or better from ATI). As far as the monitor goes, the DVI version may no longer be available. I think they are going to FDC (Formac Display Connector), wich has both connections, on all the monitors. Some retailers list these as ADC, but in the description it says DVI+ADC.
Short: You need a card that can handle 1600x1200 res with DVI. And you need to get a Monitor that *has* DVI input, wether it's *labeled* DVI or not (read the specs). I hope that helps.

phong
Nov 30, 2002, 10:48 PM
Hey guys,

I am a dv editor and the Gallery 2010 (or whatever formac comes out with) is something im leaning towards when I get a new Power Mac sometime in the future. I especially like it for its sweet specs and awesome warranty by formac. I heard the 1740 is made in germany, where is the 2010 made? And for editing in FCP and working with dv, it is a lot nicer working with a widescreen such as the HD and the 22 Cinema Displays but how you do you guys think of a traditional 4:3? And also, any criticism on this display? I see it is very nice but some users may have different opinions, thanks.

-Phong

Happy Holidays :p

andrewh
Dec 2, 2002, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by phong
Hey guys,

I am a dv editor and the Gallery 2010 (or whatever formac comes out with) is something im leaning towards when I get a new Power Mac sometime in the future. I especially like it for its sweet specs and awesome warranty by formac. I heard the 1740 is made in germany, where is the 2010 made? And for editing in FCP and working with dv, it is a lot nicer working with a widescreen such as the HD and the 22 Cinema Displays but how you do you guys think of a traditional 4:3? And also, any criticism on this display? I see it is very nice but some users may have different opinions, thanks.

-Phong

Happy Holidays :p

The writing on the box was in English and German so it was either assembled or distributed through their Germany facilities. But since the 1740 was made there I would think the 2010 was too. I've already reviewed it here with nothing but high praise for it. If you're doing DV and can afford the Cinema I would buy that one. I do web design and the 4:3 ratio is just fine for me, plus I liked saving $800. I've used my gallery 2010 for over a month now and one look at the Cinema and I can tell the Formac is better. Much brighter, and the colors are just slightly more vibrant. I have zero dead pixels so far.

The Apple Cinema has nicer quality casing and is still a fantastic display, it just needs an update which is probably coming at Macworld. If they come out with the rumored swivel base (a la iMac) and update the specs that will be a tough choice. I got sick of waiting however. Anyway, as long as the Formac is cheaper it is an excellent choice, in my opinion the only other choice besides Apple and I researched a TON of displays.

daveg5
Dec 2, 2002, 03:43 PM
My biege g3 upgraded to 600\240\83bus 7410 g4 overclocked with 768 of pc100 222 ram is running the OSX desktop GUI faster than a dual 1GHZ Powermac g4, I kid you not.resizing windows and dragging are now instaneous and you can twirl a window around without the cursor losing contact at 1600x1200 85hz and 2048x1536 75hz mind you! this along with virtual desktop http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/2287 gives negates the need for dual monitors I wonder how this looks on a Large lcd, let me know. www.aquamakeover.com/aqua.html
Once Apple finds out they will have to take it down so hurry.
I am now using Cubase in 9.22 my Yamaha dspfactory sound card and all my plugins and my voodoo 5500 video card not to mention my serial midi interfaces and stylewriter 1200 printer are all compatable now.
Thats a lot lot of money to replace in OSX.

Please try these and let me know what you think????????
I know you Jag only for Jag OSX only programs and there are alot.
there is also a program called os9forever that helps really old macs run 9.2, did not need that though.

slightly off subject I know.
to compare g4 to old g3 {not sahara}just cut of altivec support

gotohamish
Dec 3, 2002, 03:48 PM
I've just ordered a Sony X72 17" DVI TFT with built in 200Mhtz processor just for redraw - I can't wait to get it. All for 420 UK pounds!!

H

NYCFarmboy
Jan 15, 2003, 06:35 PM
Just set up my new Formac 2010 display.

I'm using it on a first generation G4 with a 400 processor. So I had to order a new graphic card to be able to use the moniter.

I chose a Radeon 9000 pro mac 64 mb card. Installed very easily.

Hooked up the Formac 2010 to it. Worked perfectly! After hooking up the moniter and starting up the computer I installed the software which came with the graphics card.

Notes: WOW....the display area is HUGE compared to my old 21" crt. I was considering going with two moniters. Cannot quite view two webpages at one time, so perhaps one day I will add another moniter, but so far I'm VERY pleased with the Formac! Colors are fantastic. Brightness is fantastic. Contrast is great. and if there is a dead pixal somewhere on it, I do not see it yet!

My two nitpicks: 1. don't like the "display on" light. seems to shine right into my eye. 2. The angle of the display is tilted too far back (but easily fixed by propping the 3rd leg of the moniter up with a book etc.).

All in all..I'm thrilled with it, and for the price..wow!

pgwalsh
Jan 15, 2003, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by NYCFarmboy


My two nitpicks: 1. don't like the "display on" light. seems to shine right into my eye. 2. The angle of the display is tilted too far back (but easily fixed by propping the 3rd leg of the moniter up with a book etc.).

All in all..I'm thrilled with it, and for the price..wow!
Maybe you could drop a note to Formac about the display and a swivel or tilt stand. I'm sure everyone that purchases the display would appreciate it.

luro22
Aug 6, 2003, 08:27 AM
I know this thread is old, but may be still alive ...

did anyone used the formac 2010 with a new powerbook 17 ?

Did you make it work ?

daveg5
Aug 6, 2003, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by javajedi
Everyone is saying how bright and crisp it is, but what really concerns me is the 1600x1200 @ the 20.1".

Is this just a little too small for that res? I would love extra screen space, but not at the expense of it being unconfortable...
not small at all i have a trinitron 21" with a 20 viewable and usually use 1900x1200, clear and viewable and more then big enough, even 200o+x1500+ is readable provided you calibrate it well i use supercal. heck gateway has 1900x1200 on a 15" notebook, now that is small.
the best program available for single and dual monitors is www.codetek.com virtual desktop. it allows unlimited screens each with seperate backgrounds and open apps.
it is a must for multi monitors and laptops also. there is also another free program called virtualdesktop for os9.
anyway back to subjeck 1600x1200 looks good on my crt so it should look better on lcds cause they are brighter and clearer, i hope to have one by next summer, my only fears are having only one native resolution (blurry at others) and dead pixels and 1 year warranties ( with a certain number of dead pixels needed to get service, and the fragilty of lcds, one pencil can harm everything.