Steve Jobs to Keynote WWDC 2005

[MacRumors]

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Apple announced (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/may/02wwdc.html) that Steve Jobs would be kicking off the WWDC Keynote on Monday, June 6th 2005 at 10am.

The five-day event which runs from June 6 - 10th is offers developers teaching sessions, Q&As, hands-on labs and more. Details available at Apple's WWDC site (http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/index.html).

While the conference is not a consumer-oriented event, Apple has used the WWDC Keynote to launch several hardware items in the recent years. Last year's WWDC (http://www.macrumors.com/events/wwdc2004.html) brought new LCD's, while 2003's WWDC (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030623160609.shtml) introduced the PowerMac G5.

[paulypants]

C'mon Steve Dual core XServes... Pleeeasse?

[BakedBeans]

C'mon Steve Dual core XServes... Pleeeasse?

yeap, thats the priority :P

[GFLPraxis]

Add a new model Quad PowerMac (dual processor dual core) at $3500 please! :D

[themacman]

dual core g5 powerbooks! ;)

[Fredstar]

Aww Steve doing his keynote on my 18th Bday, how sweet, he better make a special announcement for me.
Shame i also have a few A-level exams on my 18th as well :(

[Daveway]

Is this news? Hasn't he always done it? :rolleyes:

My crystal balls are saying no new hardware!

[NoCleverSNForMe]

I honestly hope they're going to come out with the PowerBook G5.

I'm dissappointed, not because I wanted one or needed one, but because Apple was supposed to be ahead of the Windows world. They've certainly achieved this in the software area, but the hardware area is another story (i.e. the 3.0 Ghz marker was supposed to have been crossed last June).

It's going to be the two-year anniversary of the unveiling of the PowerMac G5. Let's hope they release something that will put us out on top again...after all, the iBooks are just one upgrade away from catching up with the PowerBooks.

[narco]

Well, what could he introduce this time? Isn't most of the line updated already, except for the eMac and iMac (I believe) but that's no place to introduce them. I'll hope for something new all together.

Fishes,
narco.

[auxplage]

Was there any doubt?

[GFLPraxis]

dual core g5 powerbooks! ;)

I'd rather have dual core G4's. Good performance + great battery life + low heat levels.

[Deefuzz]

Lets see some PB or iBook updates! :D

Just out of curiosity, since these aren't exactly "consumer driven" shows would the keynote that Steve gives be available on the site as the Macworld one was?

[FlyNolJ]

Add a new model Quad PowerMac (dual processor dual core) at $3500 please! :D

I agree, but while we're asking, why don't we ask for 2,500??? :eek:

[w_parietti22]

Aww Steve doing his keynote on my 18th Bday, how sweet, he better make a special announcement for me.
Shame i also have a few A-level exams on my 18th as well :(

Happy B-day! Its my brothers 21st! which means that I might be at some stupid party with all my realitives :( oh well, I might just have to sneak upstairs to watch it! :p

[Rocketman]

I propose he announce for later shiping the quad G5 workstation class Macs.

Dual double processor chips.

Very high I/O and HD everything installed.

I am not optimistic he will release G5 Powerbooks.

Rocketman

[CubaTBird]

i still think a powerbook g5 is a bit early.. i say powerbook g5 annouced at mwsf 06 along with new ipods this july/august...

[witness]

I'd rather have dual core G4's. Good performance + great battery life + low heat levels.

My PowerBook gets so hot that I need to wear asbestos trousers and jeopardise my chances of fathering more children!

I agree, I don't think that they'll be using G5's in the next PowerBook.

[Object-X]

Tiger is such a huge deal for Apple, but they have already delivered it. So, that makes this keynote particularly interesting. What will they announce next month? I'm really looking forward to it. I think a new Powerbook is likely, but not a G5, something much better. What? :eek:

[sjpetry]

Can everyone stop with the G5 PowerBook.
It's not gonna happen in June. ;)

[GFLPraxis]

I agree, but while we're asking, why don't we ask for 2,500??? :eek:

Because they just released dual 2.3 GHz PowerMacs at $2500 last week :p

[wdlove]

The only surprise would be if Steve didn't do the Keynote. Once again the Keynote is on Monday, Keynotes used to be on Tuesday. This does allow for the exhibits being open four days, plus Monday afternoon. Will give Apple more time to show the new stuff. We can always hope for a surprise announcement with the Power Mac.

[icon4x]

If he announces they're working on "Lion" (10.5) due out sometime in Summer '06, I'll probably start to hate Apple.

[revenuee]

i'de like powerbooks that could handle HD authoring

dual core G4 could probably do it

[runninmac]

Yeah i will be surprised if theres new hardware in his keynote (the olny thing i could possibly see right now is new iPods) if they introduce a powerbook g5 i will crap my pants :p . (well not really i will just be very surprised) and also i dont need one. I would love to see dual G4s in them so it will probobly be cooler.

opps i lied what about Jam box or what ever its called

[AoWolf]

Can everyone stop with the G5 PowerBook.
It's not gonna happen in June. ;)
I have that feeling too. Oh well think secret will tell all. Oh and what about the astroid...

PS nice dog I have one too.

[Lepton]

Most likely dual core machines shown or introduced. Second most likely: "We are experimenting with Cell architecture..."

[reyesmac]

He should say how great the powermac updates are and get heckled for it. I would get a chuckle out of it. But seriously, I hope he talk about the slowdown in Moore's law that Apple has caused recently. Maybe even bring back Pentium bake-offs so we could see a G5 that is faster than the top of the line pentium. Something that shows just how much better that 200mhz speed-bump is compared to everything else.

[strale]

I've heared that Chrismas is on the 24th of december this year, now how great is that?

[sjpetry]

I have that feeling too. Oh well think secret will tell all. Oh and what about the astroid...

PS nice dog I have one too.
Thank you. :) They're the best


I also doubt any PowerBook updates at WWDC. :(

[Object-X]

I honestly hope they're going to come out with the PowerBook G5.

I'm dissappointed, not because I wanted one or needed one, but because Apple was supposed to be ahead of the Windows world. They've certainly achieved this in the software area, but the hardware area is another story (i.e. the 3.0 Ghz marker was supposed to have been crossed last June).

It's going to be the two-year anniversary of the unveiling of the PowerMac G5. Let's hope they release something that will put us out on top again...after all, the iBooks are just one upgrade away from catching up with the PowerBooks.

This is a big misnomer. Why are you saying current Powerbooks are lagging behind PC counterparts? People seem to forget that Powerbooks are only an inch thick; the only Windows laptops with this kind of form factor are Intel 1.6GHz Pentium M chips which are nowhere near as powerful as the standard P4 running at 3+GHz. The fact that standard P4 chips are being used in a "laptop" is a bit of a stretch too; those machines are two inces thick and weigh over 10lbs; not exactly a laptop. You can't compare these "desktop" replacements with Apple's Powerbooks because they are really differen't machines in every respect. Apple could make a portable form factor machine that was two inches thick and ran a G5, but it wouldn't be as elegant as a Powerbook.

So, a 15.4" Dell Inspiron 6000 running a 1.6GHz Pentium M running Windows XP compared to a 1.6GHz G4 Powerbook running OS X? I'll take the Powerbook for performance any day of the week; I know, I've owned both. Powerbooks are not lagging behind anything, except the price; but you get what you pay for.

Anyway, has nothing to do with the keynote but what the heck.
:rolleyes:

[rosalindavenue]

Well, what could he introduce this time? Isn't most of the line updated already, except for the eMac and iMac (I believe) but that's no place to introduce them. I'll hope for something new all together.

Fishes,
narco.

Notebooks, my friend-- notebooks. 2005 can be the Year of the Notebook II. ;)

[SiliconAddict]

I'd rather have dual core G4's. Good performance + great battery life + low heat levels.

Only if they can get their FSB (One of the biggest bottlenecks in the system.) up to speed.

[Doctor Q]

Maybe it doesn't even matter what he announces. Jobs is just so fun to watch perform. Even if all he announces is a new tint for iPod mini colors and a new checkbox in a preference pane, he'll make it sound exciting. That reality distortion field is a nice zone to fall into.

[SiliconAddict]

If he announces they're working on "Lion" (10.5) due out sometime in Summer '06, I'll probably start to hate Apple.

Don't expect Lion until VERY late '06 or more likely early '07. Apple is done with the 12 month release cycle.

[themacman]

I'd rather have dual core G4's. Good performance + great battery life + low heat levels.
what about the low power g5 that was rumored around 2 ghz. A 2ghz g5 powerbook, now were talking.

[Yvan256]

If he announces they're working on "Lion" (10.5) due out sometime in Summer '06, I'll probably start to hate Apple.

If he announces they're NOT working on 10.5 right now, I'll really hate them. Why would you want Apple to stop innovating? (i.e. REAL innovation, not Microsoft's version).

[JordanNZ]

Only if they can get their FSB (One of the biggest bottlenecks in the system.) up to speed.

Not an issue with the new chips coming out...

And I wouldn't call thse new freescale chips G4s.. They are far beyond that.

[iRachel]

I'm hoping for new powerbooks at WWDC - I've been saving up for one, and I'll have enough $ (finally) at the beginning of June :p

Since I'm usually one of those people that buys something only to have a new model out a week later, It'd be cool to get something right after an update for a change.

As a mac newbie who's quickly becoming a mac geek, I have to ask, will there be streaming video of the keynote anywhere online?

[Yvan256]

Most likely dual core machines shown or introduced. Second most likely: "We are experimenting with Cell architecture..."

Like this (http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050425/104149/)?

[weezer160]

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Apple announced (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/may/02wwdc.html) that Steve Jobs would be kicking off the WWDC Keynote on Monday, June 6th 2005 at 10am.

The five-day event which runs from June 6 - 10th is offers developers teaching sessions, Q&As, hands-on labs and more. Details available at Apple's WWDC site (http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/index.html).

While the conference is not a consumer-oriented event, Apple has used the WWDC Keynote to launch several hardware items in the recent years. Last year's WWDC (http://www.macrumors.com/events/wwdc2004.html) brought new LCD's, while 2003's WWDC (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/06/20030623160609.shtml) introduced the PowerMac G5.


Surprise surprise! :p

[weezer160]

If he announces they're working on "Lion" (10.5) due out sometime in Summer '06, I'll probably start to hate Apple.

Yeah, I'd be a bit pissy if he did.

[madmaxmedia]

Like this (http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050425/104149/)?

= our new desktop wallpaper in a year or so... ;-)

[Roller]

The chances of a G5 PowerBook at WWDC are about equal to the likelihood of a blizzard in San Francisco the day of the keynote.

I'd be pleasantly surprised by an announcement of a dual-core-based PowerMac, but I'n not holding my breath.

On the other hand, I hope that Steve announces a Tiger update that takes care of the bugs in the current public beta. :)

[obeygiant]

could it be new iPods? All color screens across the board. Digital wallet capabilities?

new iBooks?

[revenuee]

The chances of a G5 PowerBook at WWDC are about equal to the likelihood of a blizzard in San Francisco the day of the keynote.

I'd be pleasantly surprised by an announcement of a dual-core-based PowerMac, but I'n not holding my breath.


On the other hand, I hope that Steve announces a Tiger update that takes care of the bugs in the current public beta. :)

Hehe "public beta" --- i like that ;)


and you are right the chances of g5 pb is slim, very slim -- i wouldn't mind seeing something good though, something with some balls -- and if not now, then september, i'll buy whatever is available then, but i would like something peppy

[iDeclare]

My PowerBook gets so hot that I need to wear asbestos trousers and jeopardise my chances of fathering more children!

I agree, I don't think that they'll be using G5's in the next PowerBook.

That made me just about fall out of my chair I was laughing so hard....hence the switch from the terms 'laptop' to notebook...when sperm are involved, technology listens! :D

[swissmann]

C'mon Steve Dual core XServes... Pleeeasse?

Either this or Powerbook G5. I don't see the PowerMac being updated again so soon. Also an announcment of 10.5??? :rolleyes:

[iGuy]

Just a quick thought, but if we assume that all existing hardware relevant to an event of this type, i.e., a developers' event, not a concumer electronic show, has been recently updated or soon will be, then any hardware announcement would have to be about new, not updated hardware.

If there is a hardware related announcement, then I'm guessing a it'll be a new device.

Of course, it also makes sense that he might introduce a new development suite, no hardware at all.

Just my two cents,
~iGuy

[aswitcher]

My guess is

a) new HD screens...price drop is needed but also helps clear inventory. I would hope to see a the 20" to allow true HD 1920x1080...but then again maybe next year. Plus I wonder now Tiger supports rotation to portrait, maybe a new (optional) stand will allow swivel in Apple style.

b) no new PBs unless they have solved the dual core and/or G5 issued since its needed to work with H264..if so expect hi res screens as an option or standard

c) pro apple BT mouse ;)

d) new isight with better video CCD and optics (wideangle zoom?)

e) New wireless standard support for 80.11n or other UWB...

[SoundGuyDave]

You know, apple will release a G5 powerbook eventually, just keep your pants on. In the meantime, is there anything you feel your powerbook can't do? Powerbooks are just fine and they will get an update eventually. And on a side note, anybody that celebrates their "Mac birthday" is a dork.

[SiliconAddict]

You know, apple will release a G5 powerbook eventually, just keep your pants on. In the meantime, is there anything you feel your powerbook can't do? Powerbooks are just fine and they will get an update eventually. And on a side note, anybody that celebrates their "Mac birthday" is a dork.

Yah and a 486 is just fine too. Who cares that its slow....it gets the job done eventually. :rolleyes:

[pigwin32]

The chances of a G5 PowerBook at WWDC are about equal to the likelihood of a blizzard in San Francisco the day of the keynote.

I'd be pleasantly surprised by an announcement of a dual-core-based PowerMac, but I'n not holding my breath.

On the other hand, I hope that Steve announces a Tiger update that takes care of the bugs in the current public beta. :)
Hmmm, June '05, Freescale dualcore sampling must be approaching, my TiBook is starting to look a little tired, maybe new PowerBooks aren't so farfetched (crosses fingers).

[DrNeroCF]

You know, apple will release a G5 powerbook eventually, just keep your pants on. In the meantime, is there anything you feel your powerbook can't do? Powerbooks are just fine and they will get an update eventually. And on a side note, anybody that celebrates their "Mac birthday" is a dork.

Yeah, my 05 Powerbook can't encode that newfangled codec in reasonable time.

[JDOG_]

I'm just happy it's Steve and not Phil. That Phil Keynote was very meh.

Here's hoping for iBooks with bigger graphics cards and faster hard drives--two things that would speed them up a lot more than just a processor bump.

Also looking forward to iTunes 4.8 and some suprise new feature if there is one. I'm tired of new features that cripple (like 4.7.1's 5-user-a-day limit and 4.X's less user burn limit from iTMS purchases).

[kcmac]

While I would doubt he would say they are working on 10.5, it would be hilarious. Think about it. Longhorn won't be out till Xmas 06 (maybe) and MS is really trumpeting its features like it exists today.

Tiger is already here and they are moving on with 10.5. Yep. Funny.

But Jobs will instead trumpet how Tiger is here now and has more today than Longhorn will have. And they can't copy fast enough. And they are selling it at record levels. It's all about developers now. And so on. I think Jobs wants Apple to bask in the sunshine on this one. And deservedly so.

[notjustjay]

This is a big misnomer. Why are you saying current Powerbooks are lagging behind PC counterparts? People seem to forget that Powerbooks are only an inch thick; the only Windows laptops with this kind of form factor are Intel 1.6GHz Pentium M chips which are nowhere near as powerful as the standard P4 running at 3+GHz. The fact that standard P4 chips are being used in a "laptop" is a bit of a stretch too; those machines are two inces thick and weigh over 10lbs; not exactly a laptop. You can't compare these "desktop" replacements with Apple's Powerbooks because they are really differen't machines in every respect. Apple could make a portable form factor machine that was two inches thick and ran a G5, but it wouldn't be as elegant as a Powerbook.

All they'd have to do is take the 17" iMac and attach a hinge and keyboard. It'd be done and it wouldn't be a whole lot bigger than the large Toshiba or HP laptops.

[SoundGuyDave]

Do you people really think Steve Jobs has a G5 powerbook, or the ability to make one, and he is just holding out on you? Anyway, I have not found anything that my PB can't do in a reasonable amount of time. And comparing a G4 to a 486 is just plain ignorant.

[Bubbasteve]

This wasn't that much of a suprise to me... doesn't Steve Jobs present the keynote at every major event?

[Stella]

Most likely dual core machines shown or introduced. Second most likely: "We are experimenting with Cell architecture..."

Not likely the PM have recently been updated... unfortunately.

I doubt they'll be any PB 15" either. :-(

BTW - is anyone surprised that SJ will be giving the keynote speech?!! This is a significant conference.

If steve talks anything about 10.5*, I'll throw up... Tiger has just been released for God sake. Apple better leave the next OS/X few years like they said previously... osx is stable enough to allow a more signficant upgrade. I'm not saying that Tiger isn't good, because it is, but the calendar year release of OSX is too much now.


* I doubt he will

[NoCleverSNForMe]

[QUOTE=Roller]The chances of a G5 PowerBook at WWDC are about equal to the likelihood of a blizzard in San Francisco the day of the keynote.

lol!

:-P

[~Shard~]

Not a surprise of course, but great to have it confirmed. With the relatively minor updates to the PowerMacs recently, I wonder if Jobs is holding off for a large (read: 3 GHz) announcement at WWDC. :cool:

Regardless, new iPods would be cool, and whatever else isn't released already by the time WWDC rolls around (i.e. iMacs, eMacs, iBooks...)

[JoeG4]

"Apple announced that Steve Jobs would be kicking off the WWDC Keynote on Monday, June 6th 2005 at 10am."


^^ Duuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :p :cool:

[~Shard~]

Yah and a 486 is just fine too. Who cares that its slow....it gets the job done eventually. :rolleyes:

Wow, that's pretty ignorant.

Anyway, I see dual-core G4s being more likely than a G5 in a laptop, but I guess we'll wait and see. I don't know if anything revolutionary like that will be ready in time for WWDC, but it sure would be nice!

As for a G5 PowerBook, yeah, it would be nice, but a server-class chip shoehorned into an enclosure like that doesn't happen overnight - look at the engineering they had to do to get the G5s into the xServes. That's why you don't see many Xeon and Itanium laptops kicking around. ;)

[~Shard~]

If steve talks anything about 10.5*, I'll throw up...

Don't worry, it won't happen - Apple has already indicated that Tiger will be the last of the frequent OS updates. Expect nothing on 10.5 for at least a year. Or maybe Jobs will revolutionize OSes as the world knows it and release OS 11... :eek: :cool:

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Wow, I didn't realize that WWDC was coming up so quick!

[pudrik]

New iBooks are overdue.

Possibly some new media computer, update to MacMini... or other thing that's been in the works a long time.

Powerbook update. Lets face it, a G5 powerbook is not only unlikely now, it's unlikely ever. More probable is a new chip without the heat problems of the G5, and that's prob a a little ways off. I'd be happy just to see powerbook FSB speeds double.

More likely updates will be focused on developer and high-end products... screens, PowerMacs, new software...

[J-Squire]

I'm just happy it's Steve and not Phil. That Phil Keynote was very meh.



I travelled all the way to Paris from Melbourne, Australia to see that Keynote. Was extremelly exciting simply due to the unveiling of the iMac G5, BUT phil was definitely no Steve. Just not the same presence.

[chabig]

My best guess:

June '05 WWDC: All about Tiger
June '06 WWDC: Intro to 10.5
May/June '07: 10.5 ships
Dec 31, 2007: Longhorn is released to manufacuring :)

[840quadra]

I guess him being a keynote in my mind wasn't a big surprise. I hope to hear some good news like everyone else. I am really looking at getting a new Powerbook in the near future. I would like the performance to be as close to my G5 as possible.

Whatever he has to say, I am sure I will be interested!!

[JoshH]

There's going to be a TON of self congratulatory Tigerspeak. Go for it, the OS rocks, now just wow us all with some hardware.

It's coming fast! (we are an optimistic bunch, huh?)

[~Shard~]

It's coming fast! (we are an optimistic bunch, huh?)

We always are! This happens every year... ;)

[musiclover137]

My guess is

c) pro apple BT mouse ;)



oh yeah
what about that two-button mouse? a explanation of the switch from one button to two could take up at least half an hour.

i don't think iPods will happen at a developer's thing. they are mostly consumer products.

i'm thinking new powerbooks, duals though, no g5. or some other pro hardware

i'm a little surprised/scared that we haven't heard anything from apple insider yet. it might all just bragging about tiger. and maybe a fix to some bugs

[T.Rex]

So, a 15.4" Dell Inspiron 6000 running a 1.6GHz Pentium M running Windows XP compared to a 1.6GHz G4 Powerbook running OS X? I'll take the Powerbook for performance any day of the week;

Well then you're nuts. Desktop PC's built with a Pentium M 1.8 and 2.0 compete with, and in some cases beat an AMD FX-55. A Pentium M 1.6 would easily outperform a G4 1.6.

[Sedulous]

Powerbooks are not lagging behind anything, except the price; but you get what you pay for.

I agree that Powerbooks are not lagging. And perhaps I read what you wrote wrong, but they are reasonably priced too. Yeah, yeah, Dell sells "cheaper" notebooks, but by the time you configure a Dell (or whatever) it is usually the same price as the Powerbook.

[musiclover137]

Well then you're nuts. Desktop PC's built with a Pentium M 1.8 and 2.0 compete with, and in some cases beat an AMD FX-55. A Pentium M 1.6 would easily outperform a G4 1.6.


that's a bold statement on a site like this. have at em boys...

[~Shard~]

Well then you're nuts. Desktop PC's built with a Pentium M 1.8 and 2.0 compete with, and in some cases beat an AMD FX-55. A Pentium M 1.6 would easily outperform a G4 1.6.

I always find it amusing when people resort to quoting system performance statistics when trying to justify why a PC machine is better than a Mac machine. Quote all the hardware specs you like, for me "performance" is measured by the OS, the ease of use, the stability, the software, how productive I can be, and how much fun I can have using my machine - these are the factors that make me rank one machine superior to another - hardware is only one small piece. But that's just me. :cool:

[Morpheus_]

Hopefully Steve will give us a general date (say, within 6 months) of when they'll announce the date that they will release Powerbook G5s. :mad:

Steve tries my patience daily...

[skythefly13]

I was just wondering what the deal with the Apple Order Status page is, It's been down due to some "scheduled upgrade" for probably 14 hours, and I'm REALLY getting anxious to see where my tiger is!

Sorry to come out of the blue, lol but I want my tiger!

[meanmusic]

Does anyone know which G4 chips (dual core or otherwise) sampling and a candidate for the Powerbook? The last PB update and the current PM updates just seem like temp updates while they wait for new chips or better timing. I would like to see a dual core G4 and increased FSB in the PB. It seems like a true major update to the PB and PM are just around the corner.

[puckhead193]

Is this news? Hasn't he always done it? :rolleyes:

My crystal balls are saying no new hardware!
My crstal ball says he will wear a black sweater and jeans ;)

[sw1tcher]

My guess is

a) new HD screens...price drop is needed but also helps clear inventory. I would hope to see a the 20" to allow true HD 1920x1080...but then again maybe next year. Plus I wonder now Tiger supports rotation to portrait, maybe a new (optional) stand will allow swivel in Apple style.

b) no new PBs unless they have solved the dual core and/or G5 issued since its needed to work with H264..if so expect hi res screens as an option or standard

c) pro apple BT mouse ;)

d) new isight with better video CCD and optics (wideangle zoom?)

e) New wireless standard support for 80.11n or other UWB...

F) New/updated iPod Socks (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/70102/wo/252OL8GK58uJ20YsFJT1EkokR3U/3.0.13.1.0.6.25.7.11.0.3) :D

[Hiroshige]

that's a bold statement on a site like this. have at em boys...

O.K. My understanding is that he is correct. The Pentium-M is awesome processor with a really fast bus speed. Only the dual core G4 can counter it.

[sw1tcher]

Well then you're nuts. Desktop PC's built with a Pentium M 1.8 and 2.0 compete with, and in some cases beat an AMD FX-55. A Pentium M 1.6 would easily outperform a G4 1.6.

A Pentium M beat an FX-55? Have any proof? I'd seriously like to see that.

[Amigori]

I see lots of comments hoping for new G5 Powerbooks. While someday I'd like to see a G5 in a Powerbook just as much as anyone else, what I really wish Apple would do with respect to both lines of laptops is to increase the resolution of the displays. 1024 x 768 is seriously out of date in the 12"s and moreso in the 14" iBook. Have you seen the resolutions that are standard or optional on the Dells/Sonys/etc.? Perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself and the next major rev. of the iBooks and Powerbooks will have widescreen, high-resolution displays, but one could hope.
Amigori

[finchna]

the only Windows laptops with this kind of form factor are Intel 1.6GHz Pentium M chips which are nowhere near as powerful as the standard P4 running at 3+GHz.

I've had a different experience from you with the P-M chips in Dell laptops. Those chips are as fast as P4 chips almost twice their speed, however, the blue screen of death still pops up every couple of weeks even running XP Pro SP2.

My PB has run (slept and waked) for over a month (that's the longest it's gone until software update required a restart) with no problems--one of many things that makes a PB superior to win laptops.

[weinmatt]

The future for the Powerbook is in Freescale's MPC8641 e600 single and dual core processors.

This is Motorola's... sorry Freescale's... "G5" class chip.... might not be as fast as a true G5, but I'll take Dual DDR2, a 667mHz Bus, PCI Express, and two speedy cores at 1.6-1.8 Ghz anyday. This thing has been around for a year or so... its got to be the future. If nothing... lets move to the MPC7448, which is pin for pin compatible with current G4s... and it has a 200mHz bus, using the same e600 core.

Mark my words... no more Powerbook G4... just Powerbook, and one hell of alot of power indeed. Bring it on. My 1Ghz Titanium is fast approaching time for replacing (though, Tiger, WOW, did that help)

[JPyre]

Two button touch pad scrolling mouse. and a new Mac Mini w/ 512mb standard, so you can run pre installed Garageband that doesnt run on the 256 :confused:

[virividox]

i want to attend one of his keynotes live :( maybe he will give one in paris :) hope hope

[puuukeey]

wishes....
•dock becomes set of commands for 3rd party developers instead of built in
•widget consisting red botton labeled armegeddon
•itunes music store price drops
•apple trade up plan so we dont have to subscribe to technology like a magazine
•powerbook with hotswappable second drive
•powerbook with 8 analog audio I/O w/ phantom power
•USB bus powering that works
•ergonmically worked over powerbook
•100,000 dollar fifty core G5 so we'll never have to trade up again
•apple buys monster cable,buys iraq and executes all employees
•powerbricks that last more than 8 months
•multitouch os (that would farking ROCK)
•Apple buys microsoft,adobe,3M,the big five, disneys celebration, and federal government
•iPod/GPS tracker/portable phone/cellphone/organizer/tvremote/itunesremote/digi-camera/presentation remote /watch
•iHolodeck
•apple goes from zen white brand to evil death brand
•wifi ipod dock for cars
•apple epaper computer
•jeff raskins zui view in os 10.5
•stereoscopic os!
•wearable mac
•tablet mac
•DVR mac

I think thats about it...

EDIT: oh yeah DUH!!!, touch sensitive keys for IMing.. touch lightly = grey, touch hard = black /bold

[AmigoMac]

I've heared that Chrismas is on the 24th of december this year, now how great is that?

Wrong, X-mas is on the 25th ;)

But for us, mac users, x-mas is usually in january ... :p

[FlyNolJ]

While I would doubt he would say they are working on 10.5, it would be hilarious. Think about it. Longhorn won't be out till Xmas 06 (maybe) and MS is really trumpeting its features like it exists today.

Tiger is already here and they are moving on with 10.5. Yep. Funny.

But Jobs will instead trumpet how Tiger is here now and has more today than Longhorn will have. And they can't copy fast enough. And they are selling it at record levels. It's all about developers now. And so on. I think Jobs wants Apple to bask in the sunshine on this one. And deservedly so.


Is there a link to where you are finding this selling "OS" record selling information>??? Anyone-please cough up. I can never find good Apple marketing and product selling statistics. Is it because they are so tight that they don't readily make this information available???

[puuukeey]

"It's all about developers now."

sorry for all who have read this before... I'm gonna keep driving home the same point.
apples business strategy totally alienates developers. they have this strategy of "the industry wont wont adopt us? we'll do it ourselves." and thats admirable but it yeilds a toylike mac whose developers are digidesign and adobe and 50,000 dopes writing boring itunes hacks and shell GUIs. What percentage of users who are attracted to a macs ease of use are going to install a second consumer grade browser, mp3 player,photo browser, movei editor, word processor, or presentation maker?

slowly but surely as standards become tighter and people port stuff easier, developers will realize apple will either do it them selves or pull a konfabulator. they'll find that apples users expect everything to look like aqua,milk or brushed aluminum even if it's not the most fitting interface design.

I want Kai Krause back

this thing doesn't crash, is pretty and is easy to use too.... http://www.juicebox.com/

[lamaditx]

in my country the 6th of May is a thursday - so is the WWDC starting on Monday anyways ?

[ALoveSupreme]

in my country the 6th of May is a thursday - so is the WWDC starting on Monday anyways ?


Well, the 6th of May is a Friday in my country. Where do you live? I didn't know the same date could be on a different weekday in different countries. I thought that was what time zones were for. But WWDC starts on 6th of June, and that is a Monday. Sorry to dissapoint you... ;)

[_pb_boi]

Is this news? Hasn't he always done it? :rolleyes:

My crystal balls are saying no new hardware!

We'll have no profanity on THIS server, please :D

andy.

[AmigoMac]

in my country the 6th of May is a thursday - so is the WWDC starting on Monday anyways ?

Live different? ;)

we're talking about 2005? aren't we? :)

I live where the keynote starts on monday.

[Alasta]

The future for the Powerbook is in Freescale's MPC8641 e600 single and dual core processors.

This is Motorola's... sorry Freescale's... "G5" class chip.... might not be as fast as a true G5, but I'll take Dual DDR2, a 667mHz Bus, PCI Express, and two speedy cores at 1.6-1.8 Ghz anyday. This thing has been around for a year or so... its got to be the future. If nothing... lets move to the MPC7448, which is pin for pin compatible with current G4s... and it has a 200mHz bus, using the same e600 core.

It's good to see someone injecting some common sense into the Powerbook G5 argument!

Based on the numerous lengthy discussions that I've seen on this topic, I don't believe that it would be possible to get the current G5 processor into a notebook at any time in the forseeable future. However, on the other hand, the Powerbook is one of Apple's key products and I have no doubt that Apple is aware that they have neglected it for too long.

With this in mind, I believe that your idea is entirely feasible. For all we know, a new notebook processer may be in the works as we speak. I will be watching this with interest over the next few months.

[lamaditx]

Well, the 6th of May is a Friday in my country)

in mine too - mixed up one day .... anyway I thought they were talking about May and not June .... so we`ll have to waite quit some time ...

[ALoveSupreme]

so we`ll have to waite quit some time ...

Yup, but that raises the chance of an upgraded powerbook. So I am very comfortable with waiting another month...
Although it's still quite unlikely to happen... "Hope" :D

[Evangelion]

I honestly hope they're going to come out with the PowerBook G5.

I honestly hope they will come up with dual-core G4-powerbook running on 533Mhz FSB and sporting an integrated mem-controller and integrated gigagit ethernet, running at 1.5+GHz.

Seiously, anyone who hopes for G5 powerbook is talking nonsense. Yes, G5 is a fine CPU, but there are alternative CPU's out there that are alot better MOBILE-CPU's than the G5 is! And the G4 I described (and it exists) would run rings around that underclocked G5 they would cram in to the PB.

The problem current G4 has is FSB-bandwidth. Moving to integrated mem-controller and integrated gigabit-ethernet, together with seriously increased FSB-bandwidth, that problem is eliminated. Hell, even single-core version of that CPU would be more than competetive with G5, while consuming ALOT less power!

G5 PB? just say no!

What I would like to see is an iBook based on single-core version of that CPU, and PB based on dual-core version of that CPU. You would have your product-differentiation right there, and it would mop the floor with the current G4.

[G.Kirby]

Perhaps a major update to the iBook or PBook lines. May be a supa dupa dual dual PMac. I think we will see a totally new product of the gizmo verity.

Oh yes, and he had better introduce an ADSL connection to the Airport or else I will give more idle threats.
:D

[EGT]

The future for the Powerbook is in Freescale's MPC8641 e600 single and dual core processors.

This is Motorola's... sorry Freescale's... "G5" class chip.... might not be as fast as a true G5, but I'll take Dual DDR2, a 667mHz Bus, PCI Express, and two speedy cores at 1.6-1.8 Ghz anyday. This thing has been around for a year or so... its got to be the future. If nothing... lets move to the MPC7448, which is pin for pin compatible with current G4s... and it has a 200mHz bus, using the same e600 core.

Mark my words... no more Powerbook G4... just Powerbook, and one hell of alot of power indeed. Bring it on. My 1Ghz Titanium is fast approaching time for replacing (though, Tiger, WOW, did that help)

This is the best thing i've read about the powerbooks in a long time. Sounds realistic and its very doable.

That'd be one sweet machine!

[rockthecasbah]

Of course there is hope for new G5 Powerbooks, but i think that is still a bit off. We're seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, but i have a feeling that the G5 Powerbook, if ready, would debut in Paris with the dual core Power Macs (my theory on dual-core PM debut), and the focus would be putting POWER back into hardware...it's very possible :) .

I am interested to see what will actually be unveiled at WWDC however, not what people speculate will be unveiled.

[CmdrLaForge]

I just don't understand how anyone can expect a PB update. The last cycle was 10 month and this one will be the same. That means new PBs at MWSF06.

And I hope for the new Freescale CPUs as well. Most important is to get a faster FSB. It is the main bottleneck in the current line.

Cheers

[Platform]

Let's hope that apple comes with resonable priced dual core chips.....proberly wont...will cost like 1000 bucks for a single chip :mad:

Well Dual single core seems to be better than a single dual core :rolleyes: or :confused:

[AidenShaw]

O.K. My understanding is that he is correct. The Pentium-M is awesome processor with a really fast bus speed. Only the dual core G4 can counter it.
Dual-core Pentium M chips have been shown, and are expected by the end of the year. The codename is "Yonah" (the guy who ate the whale)..

Note that the dual-core Yonah is an integrated design, two cores on one piece of silicon, sharing a 2 MiB L2 cache and a 667 MHz FSB. It is also anticipated that it will use less power than the current Pentium M chips....


Intel Demos Dual-Core Pentium M Notebook (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20050411010317.html)

Intel's Yonah could run at 2,5 GHz (http://news.softpedia.com/news/Intel-s-Yonah-could-run-at-2-5-GHz-056.shtml)

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2366

[rashdown_online]

The Apple Store Is "Closed" for update!!!!!!!

"http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/ukstore"

:rolleyes: :cool: :eek:

[Platform]

NEW iMac's :D
2 Ghz G5's
9600 128B VRAM Graphics
512MB RAM standard
160GB HDD


And eMac's as well

[gorkonapple]

I honestly hope they're going to come out with the PowerBook G5.

I'm dissappointed, not because I wanted one or needed one, but because Apple was supposed to be ahead of the Windows world. They've certainly achieved this in the software area, but the hardware area is another story (i.e. the 3.0 Ghz marker was supposed to have been crossed last June).

It's going to be the two-year anniversary of the unveiling of the PowerMac G5. Let's hope they release something that will put us out on top again...after all, the iBooks are just one upgrade away from catching up with the PowerBooks.


Same here, but I think if it DOES come out, it won't JUST be a regular powerbook. I am betting, thanks to Inkwell and Screen Rotation, it will be a G5 PowerTablet. Just like a tablet PC, only not as Clunky. Maybe a BT Keyboard that attaches and a pop out stand for using it in regular PB mode. If not a G5 Tablet, maybe a G4 Tablet or a Dual Core G4 tablet.

[G.Kirby]

I guessed right. :D

The wife wants one now and I have just have the new PMac 2Ghz. :(

[HelloKitty]

After today's update on iMac and eMac, I think the only updates we're likely to see are Powerbooks, iBooks and Xserver. I don't really think we're gonna see the dual core G5 machines or any new lines of Macintosh on that event..

Well, nevertheless, I'd be very glad if Apple come up with Powerbook G5. Let's keep our fingers crossed :p

[SiliconAddict]

OK so what the heck is left to release at WWDC now that the iMac, PowerMac, eMac, and OS are all updated? Is Steve going to play a game of chess against Bill on stage? Or better yet....

*Steve walks on stage*
*Crickets chirp*

"Ummm we've already debuted all of our new wares a few weeks ago. So instead of my usually speech I thought we would try something new"

*All of Apple's upper execs walk onto stage and they breaks out into a chorus of Gilbert and Sullivan’s HMS Pinafore*

:D

[macmax77]

OT: After these comments Bill Gtaes was rushed to a hospital

In a delusional phase , Doctors said, Mr Gates arrived at the hospital with an apparent schizophrenia disorder.

He was hearing voices and was falling appart from all reality

Mr Gates is now sedated and even thou he still claims absurd things and paraphrases stupidities, he might , some day come back to a decent human and mind state.

For now , he is total delusional and mad at everyone that contradictes him and explains to him that Microsoft can't not copy from other operating systems as fast as they should.

It is a shame, said some Microcock followers that this man, once a great thief, is at this moment in this shocking and sad state.

http://www.forbes.com/2005/05/03/05...facescan04.html

[SiliconAddict]

said some Microcock followers



*Claps* Well done sir. Well done. You have successfully made yourself look like an ***. :rolleyes:

[itsa]

Not one to start rumors and I have NOTHING to back this up but I think we will see a BIG update on powerbooks at this event. I may be wrong but I think we can say goodbye to G4 in a powerbook.

There really is nothing left for Steve to be there for. It would be a waist of everyones time if all he did was recaped us on what they did over the past month.

[Roy Hobbs]

Just becuase he is giving the keynote it doesnt mean he HAS to intoduce a new product.

Maybe it will just be a speech??

[wide]

the iBooks are just one upgrade away from catching up with the PowerBooks.

exactly why I think we are going to see PowerBook updates and iBook updates at WWDC. they have to do something to the Power-line for developers at WWDC, why not throw in an e600 or G5?

Apple has been waiting an abnormally long time to update the ibooks, because they simply cannot update them for they would be too similar to the powerbooks. i think we're gonna see new powerbooks because 1) it will have been a good amount of time (over 100 days) since the last update (it's not that much time, but enough especially if we see a new generation which we will) and 2) the ibooks are destined to be upgraded soon, and they will probably be updated at the same time as the powerbooks so that pbook sales aren't killed by the cheaper and almost equivalently-spec'd ibook.

then again, this is pure optmism :). i just want my powerbook

[~Shard~]

Just becuase he is giving the keynote it doesnt mean he HAS to intoduce a new product.

Maybe it will just be a speech??

A Steve-note @ WWDC? Trust me, it won't "just be a speech". :cool:

[SiliconAddict]

Not one to start rumors and I have NOTHING to back this up but I think we will see a BIG update on powerbooks at this event. I may be wrong but I think we can say goodbye to G4 in a powerbook.


I'm somewhat scared that they will update the PowerBook. I'm going to be at work and cleaning up the mess and changing my pants while mousing to apple.com isn't going to be nearly as easy as doing it from home. :eek: :eek:

[SiliconAddict]

Just becuase he is giving the keynote it doesnt mean he HAS to intoduce a new product.

Maybe it will just be a speech??


HEHE. Not a chance. Even if its to introduce iSocks 2.0 something will be introduced.

[iGary]

Is this news? Hasn't he always done it? :rolleyes:

My crystal balls are saying no new hardware!

You have crystal balls? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[~Shard~]

You have crystal balls? :eek: :eek: :eek:

LOL Nice one iGary... :cool:

[wdlove]

Just because he is giving the keynote it doesn't mean he HAS to introduce a new product.

Maybe it will just be a speech??

A Stevenote is never just a speech. He will recap all that Apple has done recently. Probably president from software company with a new update.

[aswitcher]

A Stevenote is never just a speech. He will recap all that Apple has done recently. Probably president from software company with a new update.


Yeah I can see an hour of Tiger. 5 mins at least on iTMS and iPod stats (shuffle baby). Then 5-10 mins on the Mac Mini, new iMac, mubbles about PM...and the new hardware ;)

I seriously wonder if they will put out a new Mac Mini with a 64 graphics card to handle Tiger, plus like the rumors are saying 256MB on the board allowing for cheaper memory upgrades to 3/4 of a gig. Plus extra audio/video in and out to complete the deal.

[itcomesinwaves]

So most of the macs (and almost all of the iPods) have been updated recently... What else is there? I suppose power/ibooks bumps (I don't expect major updates there...). The whole apple software line has been updated recently (Tiger, iLife '05, iWork, all the pro media apps, even .mac). Displays tend to have a longer life than computers, and although apple cut the prices recently, I don't think anyone is expecting a new lineup or new features...


So what about apple accessories?

JamBox has been mentioned, sounds like a good chance of that. I remember hearing rumblings about iSight 2 a while back. It would be a good time to release it now that Tiger is out with iChat 3 (didn't the first iSight premiere a bit before or after panther was released?).

The airport express has been out a while, but I can't think of anything useful they could add to it, other than some sort of remote functionality. Maybe someday they'll sell an airport-express-extreme with display, or a video out to display track info, but probably not this summer....

What other apple accessories are there? Oh yes! The mouse! Could this finally be "the year of the 2 button mouse?" (yes, windows users, that is a joke). Tiger has added a huge amount of functionality to the right-click menu (thanks to automator). Apple has been doing a lot lately to remove the typical excuses of reluctant switchers, so it's not unthinkable.

If Apple chooses to have a 'non-mac' Macworld, this could be a great lineup. The opportunity for upselling add-ons to Tiger customers shouldn't be ignored....

[ijimk]

I am really looking foward to this. I thought the Mac monitor convention was well done by steve. I am sure this will be as well. :)

[~Shard~]

I suppose power/ibooks bumps (I don't expect major updates there...)

iBooks are long overdue. On the one hand I would expect significant updates for them, yet any update to the iBook at this stage will make them essentially identical to the PowerBooks, and probably canabalize the PB sales until a major PB update comes out. So, this being said, I would expect iBook updates anytime now, but maybe Apple will need to wait to release them until they update the PB line (at WWDC).

Just some thoughts...

[musiclover137]

iBooks are long overdue. On the one hand I would expect significant updates for them, yet any update to the iBook at this stage will make them essentially identical to the PowerBooks, and probably canabalize the PB sales until a major PB update comes out. So, this being said, I would expect iBook updates anytime now, but maybe Apple will need to wait to release them until they update the PB line (at WWDC).

Just some thoughts...

i agree, its either powerbook update along with iBooks, or not at all. it wouldn't make sense to have the same processors in both laptops. i'm becoming less and less certain of a hardware update. probably just accessories (2 button mouse and jam box etc.)

[willhclark]

dual core ipod newton

[~Shard~]

i agree, its either powerbook update along with iBooks, or not at all. it wouldn't make sense to have the same processors in both laptops. i'm becoming less and less certain of a hardware update. probably just accessories (2 button mouse and jam box etc.)

I hope the iBooks get updated soon, because that means PowerBooks have to get updated as well. ;) Plus, my girlfriend wants an iBook so I hope they're released soon for her. :)

[drewyboy]

Some people in their PB G5 fanticies... screw your head on all the way b4 talking. Hmm... powerbook... metalic...dispates heat... g5..hot.. puts out lots of heat. Putting a g5 in a pb at this moment would make the PB a hotpad to keep your coffee hot or to cook an egg on the run. If go to Freescales website about the Dual G4 (http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=DRPPCDUALCORE) and read. The power consumption is much much less than a g5... heat is also much less... PLUS.. bragging rights for Mr. Jobs on having the first Dual proc. notebook. So PLEASE STOP TAKLING ABOUT THE PB G5! It would be idiotic to want one!

[~Shard~]

Some people in their PB G5 fanticies... screw your head on all the way b4 talking. Hmm... powerbook... metalic...dispates heat... g5..hot.. puts out lots of heat. Putting a g5 in a pb at this moment would make the PB a hotpad to keep your coffee hot or to cook an egg on the run. If go to Freescales website about the Dual G4 (http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/overview.jsp?code=DRPPCDUALCORE) and read. The power consumption is much much less than a g5... heat is also much less... PLUS.. bragging rights for Mr. Jobs on having the first Dual proc. notebook. So PLEASE STOP TAKLING ABOUT THE PB G5! It would be idiotic to want one!

As I've said before, I think a dual-core G4 PowerBook is more likely than a G5 PowerBook at this stage of things. Maybe we'll find out at WWDC.

[AidenShaw]

PLUS.. bragging rights for Mr. Jobs on having the first Dual proc. notebook.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2005-04/yonah_notebook.jpg

Intel Demos Dual-Core Pentium M Notebook (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20050411010317.html)

For those familiar with XP, the right-hand window clearly shows Task Manager showing two processors....

[aswitcher]

As I've said before, I think a dual-core G4 PowerBook is more likely than a G5 PowerBook at this stage of things. Maybe we'll find out at WWDC.


But most software doesn't really make use of the dual core yet does it? And isn;'t the G5 dual core programming going to be different enough from the G4 that improvements are not going to be huge???

[840quadra]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2005-04/yonah_notebook.jpg

Intel Demos Dual-Core Pentium M Notebook (http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile/display/20050411010317.html)

For those familiar with XP, the right-hand window clearly shows Task Manager showing two processors....

Hyper thread processors also show up as 2 processors in XP. My Dell at work shows up as a Dual processor in XP and it is only a single Pentium 4 with HT.

[~Shard~]

But most software doesn't really make use of the dual core yet does it? And isn;'t the G5 dual core programming going to be different enough from the G4 that improvements are not going to be huge???

You're absolutely right with your first comment - the second one, I am not sure... I was looking at it more from the heat/power issues if nothing else, plus the fact that seeing the freescale dual core G4 is more and more of a possibility as time goes on.

[CmdrLaForge]

As I've said before, I think a dual-core G4 PowerBook is more likely than a G5 PowerBook at this stage of things. Maybe we'll find out at WWDC.

I do hope that many of you guys are right and we will see new PBs at WWDC. I just don't see this happen. The update cycles for ALL products have been really really long recently. I do hope that we see updates to PBs at around Oct. or if it is a bigger update already in Paris. My worst scenario is that the updates are due at MWSF06.
As for the CPUs:
update in October means MPC7448 which would be an improvement with its 200MHz FSB. Not that great, but OK.
update at Paris - MPC8641. Single core CPU, but FSB at 667MHz. This would be a really great update and I would appreciate if it happens.
update at MWSF: MPC8641D or a 970xx. I would prefer the MPC8641D. Really great update. But it takes some time.

Updates at WWDC - I just don't see this happen.

The iBooks are due for an update - but why not put them closer to the PBs ? Apple did that in the past. The PB price-performance ist currently a joke compared to the new iMac. (not to other WIN notebooks in the market) But thats true for over a year.

Cheers

[Lacero]

Intel Demos Dual-Core Pentium M Notebook.With battery life of 20 minutes. ;)

[~Shard~]

With battery life of 20 minutes. ;)

That long? ;)

[iGary]

I'm thinking form factor changes to the iBook.

The design is four freaking years old.

[~Shard~]

I'm thinking form factor changes to the iBook.

The design is four freaking years old.

Might be time... It'll be interesting to see what Apple does with the iBook, I'd really like to see more than just another marginal speed increase. But, as I said before, then they run the risk of making the iBook too similar to the PowerBook, thus requiring PowerBook updates which I'm not sure Apple is in a position to offer just yet.

That being said, since my girlfriend is in the market for an iBook, I say update the hell out of them and make them PowerBook clones for much less $$$ - I'd be happy with that! :cool:

[iGary]

Might be time... It'll be interesting to see what Apple does with the iBook, I'd really like to see more than just another marginal speed increase. But, as I said before, then they run the risk of making the iBook too similar to the PowerBook, thus requiring PowerBook updates which I'm not sure Apple is in a position to offer just yet.

That being said, since my girlfriend is in the market for an iBook, I say update the hell out of them and make them PowerBook clones for much less $$$ - I'd be happy with that! :cool:

LOL.

I love my iBook (sans display), but the design, although beautiful (mine always gets lookers at the airport), is old.

[~Shard~]

LOL.

I love my iBook (sans display), but the design, although beautiful (mine always gets lookers at the airport), is old.

Agreed - let's hope the next round of iBook updates gives us something to talk about.

[AidenShaw]

Hyper thread processors also show up as 2 processors in XP.
Do you honestly think that Intel would show an HT system and claim in a public forum with semiconductor experts that it's dual-core? LOL

The dual-core Pentium M (Yonah) has been shown several times. It's waiting for 65nm for production - so I would presume that we're seeing prototypes done on 90nm. (Good for debugging and fine-tuning the logic, but too big and hot for the final product.)


With battery life of 20 minutes.

"Yonah battery life will not be shorter than Dothan battery life...[it's] a huge achievement"

Dual Cores and Power Management (http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2366&p=2)

Go to that page to read more about the multiple power modes and the ability of the two cores to independently throttle back when not needed.

I thought that 20 minutes was the amount of time that a PB G5 would run before causing second degree burns to your legs.... :eek:

[~Shard~]

I thought that 20 minutes was the amount of time that a PB G5 would run before causing second degree burns to your legs.... :eek:

I heard third degree...

[tdewey]

dual core g5 powerbooks! ;)

I'd be happy w/ the dual-core g4 from freescale. I'd have to buy.


T

[~Shard~]

I'd be happy w/ the dual-core g4 from freescale. I'd have to buy.


T

Agreed, let's not get greedy here! ;)

[Alasta]

Might be time... It'll be interesting to see what Apple does with the iBook, I'd really like to see more than just another marginal speed increase. But, as I said before, then they run the risk of making the iBook too similar to the PowerBook, thus requiring PowerBook updates which I'm not sure Apple is in a position to offer just yet.

There is something else that they could do to improve the iBooks : a price drop. Notebooks in general have been becoming cheaper and cheaper in recent years because of decreases in the cost of LCD panels, and Apple will have to follow this trend eventually. Of course, this is still something that Apple can't do until they upgrade the Powerbooks, because cheaper iBooks would further erode Powerbook sales.

My own opinion is that, in the next six months, we will see speedbumped G4 iBooks, and an architectural overhaul of the Powerbook (probably with the Freescale processor that everyone is now talking about). I would anticipate this happening at roughly the same time because, as you all point out, Apple are probably dying to update iBooks but can't do so until they update Powerbooks.

I would happily buy a G4 1.5GHz iBook to replace my aging G3 800MHz iBook, but a bit of price incentive would help!

[~Shard~]

It's simple - just make the existing PowerBook line the new iBook line, as is, and then overhaul and revolutionaize the PowerBook line with dual-core G4s/G5s. Piece of cake, I can't believe Apple hasn't done this yet! :p ;) :cool:

[apelet]

I'd love to see an iBook update. I've just dropped my old iBook G4/800 and I'm looking for a new one. All this talk about new designs and the WWDC coming up are making me anxious about buying one now though.

I got a promotion code from Apple.ca today for $40 off $400 for "shopping at the iTunes Music Stores," valid for only 14 days from today, which I thought was perfect timing for me.. But then I come to Macrumors and realize the WWDC is on June 6th.. It sounds like they're trying to get me to buy either an iPod or a new computer before they roll something new out.. I am tempted just to buy an ibook or powerbook now, but I will be kicking myself if a month from now there is something much cooler and better (that I would easily have paid $40 more to have).

decisions.. decisions..

[m4r71n1]

Okay yea.. well duh! what kind of news is this.
Is it just me or is apple trying so hard to be different its blatantly obvious and now sort of predictable. Computers have become this sort of religion.. but who doesnt love being a minority!
Well what is gonna happen this keynote? personally, i hate keynotes and if i were a developer i'd be like "well obviously it can do that" and i'd be listening to steve and be like "man, maybe he thinks this room is filled with people who don't know anything about computers.."
Anyways, this keynote will probably be about Servers and/or Powerbooks
Hopefully, apple will give credit to its audience and not do anything to consumer. Powerbooks and Servers are the two most important things apple needs to improve to save its PRO line or lack of a pro line. With the disappointment of the PMs, lets hope that pro's will be interested in portables and VERY NON portables.

Cheers,
Ini

[wdlove]

Okay yea.. well duh! what kind of news is this.
Is it just me or is apple trying so hard to be different its blatantly obvious and now sort of predictable. Computers have become this sort of religion but who doesn't love being a minority!
Well what is gonna happen this keynote? personally, i hate keynotes and if i were a developer i'd be like "well obviously it can do that" and i'd be listening to steve and be like "man, maybe he thinks this room is filled with people who don't know anything about computers.."
Anyways, this keynote will probably be about Servers and/or Powerbooks
Hopefully, apple will give credit to its audience and not do anything to consumer. Powerbooks and Servers are the two most important things apple needs to improve to save its PRO line or lack of a pro line. With the disappointment of the PMs, lets hope that pro's will be interested in portables and VERY NON portables.

Cheers,
Ini

I can't imagine not having a Keynote. It is a way to hear publicly from Steve. Sort of a stockholders meeting for customers. We get to hear about what is going on at Apple since the last Keynote. Reading the same information just would not be the same. Would miss Stevenote charisma.

Steve could always announce a new Pro Mac desktop line that developers might like. They are customers also.

[gangst]

couldn't Apple bring out dual core G4's or whatever and just name them G5's?
Nobody would be any wiser and Apple could just market them at 2.2ghz or whatever? Seems theasible.

[~Shard~]

couldn't Apple bring out dual core G4's or whatever and just name them G5's?
Nobody would be any wiser and Apple could just market them at 2.2ghz or whatever? Seems theasible.

Put simply, no. :cool: Apple can't just change their branding scheme on a whim to make things more convenient for them or perceptually appealing in such a manner - they would get into a lot of trouble over something like that, publicly (people don't like being lied to) and legally (IBM/Moto/Freescale).

And what exactly does theasible mean? :p :cool:

[Alex Duggan]

Just call them G4.9's :D

[NtotheIzoo]

It's simple - just make the existing PowerBook line the new iBook line, as is, and then overhaul and revolutionaize the PowerBook line with dual-core G4s/G5s. Piece of cake, I can't believe Apple hasn't done this yet! :p ;) :cool:

I was thinking the exact same thing...weird

[NtotheIzoo]

Put simply, no. :cool: Apple can't just change their branding scheme on a whim to make things more convenient for them or perceptually appealing in such a manner - they would get into a lot of trouble over something like that, publicly (people don't like being lied to) and legally (IBM/Moto/Freescale).

And what exactly does theasible mean? :p :cool:


theasible....LOL :D

[wdlove]

theasible....LOL :D

Please don't be too hard on him. Most of us have made typing errors. Although I give you credit, it's better to make it a positive correction.

[tdewey]

My .02. on hardware at WWDC

In order of likelihood:

(1) HD display 17" PB [overdue for this]
(2) 2.7 dual Xserve
(3) Dual-core "Workstation-class" Macs and dual-core Xserves [only if no production issues w/ 970 MP]
(4) HD/Dual-core 17" [Freescale supposed to go to full production 2nd half this year]
(5) Dual-core 15" [ditto]
(6) 12" stays as G4 but moves to 1.67 + 64 MB MR 9600.
(6) 2-button mouse
(7) iBook G4's move up to 1.5 + 64MB MR 9600.

I agree with the majority of posters a PB G5 is unlikely, ever.

[~Shard~]

I was thinking the exact same thing...weird

Well, you know what they say, great minds think a like. And how does the rest of that saying go?... ah, nevermind.... ;) :cool:

[drewyboy]

Oh... for the person talking about slapping dual core g4's or whatever in and saying it's G5... big problem....G4..32bit, G5..64bit, I think ppl would notice. :rolleyes:

[wdlove]

My .02. on hardware at WWDC

In order of likelihood:

(1) HD display 17" PB [overdue for this]
(2) 2.7 dual Xserve
(3) Dual-core "Workstation-class" Macs and dual-core Xserves [only if no production issues w/ 970 MP]
(4) HD/Dual-core 17" [Freescale supposed to go to full production 2nd half this year]
(5) Dual-core 15" [ditto]
(6) 12" stays as G4 but moves to 1.67 + 64 MB MR 9600.
(6) 2-button mouse
(7) iBook G4's move up to 1.5 + 64MB MR 9600.

I agree with the majority of posters a PB G5 is unlikely, ever.

Happily we only have a month to wait now. :)

#3 would this be the possible Pro Mac? Would it be a high end Mac that could be purchased for home. Could it possibly be available this summer?

Will the PowerBooks be available this summer?

[powerbook911]

Happily we only have a month to wait now. :)

#3 would this be the possible Pro Mac? Would it be a high end Mac that could be purchased for home. Could it possibly be available this summer?

Will the PowerBooks be available this summer?

The dual-core G4 chips are not suppose to be available until early 2006, so if there was a Powerbook update at WWDC, which I doubt, it almost certainly won't be dual core G4.

[~Shard~]

The dual-core G4 chips are not suppose to be available until early 2006, so if there was a Powerbook update at WWDC, which I doubt, it almost certainly won't be dual core G4.

Apple is going to have to do something with the PowerBooks before 2006 though... And I think that any more marginal upgrades are not going to be looked too kindly upon...

[Alasta]

Apple is going to have to do something with the PowerBooks before 2006 though... And I think that any more marginal upgrades are not going to be looked too kindly upon...

Yep, too right. People are getting bored with speed bumps on the Powerbooks.

Let's not forget that, as has already been pointed out, iBooks haven't been updated for ten months and if iBooks are to be updated, then Powerbooks will have to be updated at the same time.

Whatever happens, I think I'll buy an iBook as soon as they're next updated because I can't risk having to wait another 10 - 12 months for another revision!

[~Shard~]

Yep, too right. People are getting bored with speed bumps on the Powerbooks.

Let's not forget that, as has already been pointed out, iBooks haven't been updated for ten months and if iBooks are to be updated, then Powerbooks will have to be updated at the same time.

Whatever happens, I think I'll buy an iBook as soon as they're next updated because I can't risk having to wait another 10 - 12 months for another revision!

Exactly. If the iBooks get an update, they will be too similar to the PowerBooks, and hurt the PB line even more. I'm fine with a marginal update to the iBooks (speed increase, memory upgrade to 512 MB, video card, etc.), but I think the PowerBooks are going to need a major upgrade.

So the question is, is Apple going to willingly delay iBook updates, even though they may already have them good to go, for the sake of PowerBook updates?

[aswitcher]

Exactly. If the iBooks get an update, they will be too similar to the PowerBooks, and hurt the PB line even more. I'm fine with a marginal update to the iBooks (speed increase, memory upgrade to 512 MB, video card, etc.), but I think the PowerBooks are going to need a major upgrade.

So the question is, is Apple going to willingly delay iBook updates, even though they may already have them good to go, for the sake of PowerBook updates?

I dont think so. PBs are a problem. If anything they might reduce the prices of the PBs slightly with a new iBook update, but PBs still will have several edges in terms of features like vram etc

[~Shard~]

I dont think so. PBs are a problem. If anything they might reduce the prices of the PBs slightly with a new iBook update, but PBs still will have several edges in terms of features like vram etc

I would like to agree with you - I'd like to see iBook updates regardless of PowerBook updates, but that's just to suit my selfish needs. ;) PowerBooks would still have advantages over the iBooks, like you said: VRAM, things like a backlit keyboard, Gigabit Ethernet, FireWire 400 & 800, Analog audio in/out, DVI & S-Video out. So, if Apple can maybe drop the price on the PowerBooks, this would make them more appealing, and you could update the iBooks processors, memory, and video card, and not risk cannibalizing PowerBook sales too much.

It will be interesting to see how Apple handles this and what the timing will be on the next releases. Hopefully things happen sooner rather than later...

[Sped]

Most of you have speculated on new Macintoshes, but for the most part they have all had recent upgrades (save the iBook). Don't you think it is more likely to get a round of accessory upgrades that take advantage of Tiger? iSight 2 capable of better low-light performance and higher resolution would be nice. Wasn't Airport Express released at last year's WWDC? I can see an update to it - possibly a video out? The only problem with that is the bandwidth of 802.11g. What about an Airport controller that also has an IR port?

[Alasta]

I dont think so. PBs are a problem. If anything they might reduce the prices of the PBs slightly with a new iBook update, but PBs still will have several edges in terms of features like vram etc

I'm not sure what's likely to happen to the price of the Powerbook but, to be honest, I actually think that a price drop is very likely for the iBook.

Here in New Zealand, there are retailers selling name brand 14" Intel Compatible laptops for around half the price of the cheapest 14" iBook. Of course, we all know that the iBook is still worth the extra cost for the ease of use, reliability, and stunning good looks, but the average consumer doesn't perceive that such an enormous price difference is justified.

Falling LCD prices and increased competition have been putting price pressure on the iBook for a long time and I'm hoping that we will benefit from this in the near future.

[~Shard~]

I'm not sure what's likely to happen to the price of the Powerbook but, to be honest, I actually think that a price drop is very likely for the iBook.

Here in New Zealand, there are retailers selling name brand 14" Intel Compatible laptops for around half the price of the cheapest 14" iBook. Of course, we all know that the iBook is still worth the extra cost for the ease of use, reliability, and stunning good looks, but the average consumer doesn't perceive that such an enormous price difference is justified.

Falling LCD prices and increased competition have been putting price pressure on the iBook for a long time and I'm hoping that we will benefit from this in the near future.

I totally agree. The iBooks could definitely afford a price drop, and this would make them a lot more competitive in the marketplace. Any update is welcome though at this point, it's been 10 months!

[tdewey]

The dual-core G4 chips are not suppose to be available until early 2006, so if there was a Powerbook update at WWDC, which I doubt, it almost certainly won't be dual core G4.


I've seen several different dates for the dual-core 8641D--sample 1H, production 2H '05 and sample 2H and production '06.

There are two other alternatives: Apple can use the G4 7448 [200 Mhz Bus, up to 2Ghz] which is pin-compatible w/ 7447 and is supposed to be sampling now.

A much better idea would be to use the 8641 (the non-dual version of the 8641D) it is supposed to be sampling now and has a 667 Mhz FSB and PCI-E. And has the same packaging as the dual-core allowing an easy upgrade if the dual-core's aren't shipping until 2006.


If the PBs are updated with the 8641, I'd like to see the iBooks updated with the 7448. Nice little bus bump.

[MacSA]

Here in New Zealand, there are retailers selling name brand 14" Intel Compatible laptops for around half the price of the cheapest 14" iBook. Of course, we all know that the iBook is still worth the extra cost for the ease of use, reliability, and stunning good looks, but the average consumer doesn't perceive that such an enormous price difference is justified.


The 14" iBook is seriously overpriced...£200 more than the 12" It's also looking like the iBook is going to have the same massive 8/10 month revision time frame that all Apple computers are having now. :( :(

[~Shard~]

The 14" iBook is seriously overpriced...£200 more than the 12" It's also looking like the iBook is going to have the same massive 8/10 month revision time frame that all Apple computers are having now. :( :(

Yep. Something has to be done, and done soon!

[Piarco]

The logic behind there having to be an iBook and Powerbook upgrade at WWDC is pretty damn good.... can't upgrade the one that needs it most, without upgrading the Pro line or run the risk of having sales plummet, plus the fact that everything else bar Xserve has been recently upgraded..... there HAS to be something hardware related for Steve to bang on about!

If it is PB's and iBooks and if the PB's get at the very very miniumum a speedbump but with an increased FSB and dual layer DVD-RWs, then I'll be upgrading.... but I would LOVE dual core G4's..... :D

[visualanté]

dont win laptops have 64bit processors already......or is it not true 64bit? the only thing i want on new pb is topgrade lcd.....is dual core g4 64bit processing

[hoppo99]

Yep, too right. People are getting bored with speed bumps on the Powerbooks.

The only people getting 'bored' with the incremental speed bumps are people who are closely following the company like you and me who are likely to buy a Mac anyway. Any potential switcher who is not a Mac fan is really going to realise that or indeed care. The current PowerBooks look light years ahead of any PC notebook on the market, even if under the hood they aren't quite as cutting edge as they used to be.

Another minor update for the PowerBook line is my prediction.

[tdewey]

The only people getting 'bored' with the incremental speed bumps are people who are closely following the company like you and me who are likely to buy a Mac anyway. Any potential switcher who is not a Mac fan is really going to realise that or indeed care. The current PowerBooks look light years ahead of any PC notebook on the market, even if under the hood they aren't quite as cutting edge as they used to be.

Another minor update for the PowerBook line is my prediction.


There are some very nice PC notebooks out there.

Generally, I think there needs to be better price/power parity between Mac and Win than there has been recently.

Going back two years or so: there was much better bang-for-your buck when comparing a PB to an equivalent PC notebook. Now not so much.

I'd like to see:

(1) A cheap 14" <$899 Mac laptop (call it the eBook) with an MR 9200 (if that is a QuartzExtreme-able gpu--not sure) aiming at the same kind of audience as the Mac mini.

(2) ibooks with the 7448 and MR 9600, at the same price-point as they are now.

(3) PBs with the MPC8641/8641D and upgradable graphics (may not be possible in the form factor).

I'd buy the 15" PB the day it was released (ah to be on the bleeding edge again), and get the cheap eBook laptop for one of my sister.

[wdlove]

We already have the lower priced iBook, which is for low end users. Don't think that Apple would produce another line, unless you have heard a rumor from somewhere?

[~Shard~]

We already have the lower priced iBook, which is for low end users. Don't think that Apple would produce another line, unless you have heard a rumor from somewhere?

I agree that this seems unlikely.

[shadownight]

Hope it's PowerBooks G5s. This is supposed to be a pro machine, it needs a G5 processor ! And maybe iBooks too... but I doubt it. Very likely is a video or bluetooth iPod if it hasn't come before. On the software side, well... iTunes 5, perhaps ?

[~Shard~]

Hope it's PowerBooks G5s. This is supposed to be a pro machine, it needs a G5 processor !

Whether it "needs" one or not is irrelevant - it is a simple matter of Engineering. Apple is no doubt working on it, but it isn't as easy as some people may think.

[wdlove]

Whether it "needs" one or not is irrelevant - it is a simple matter of Engineering. Apple is no doubt working on it, but it isn't as easy as some people may think.

They are going to have to overcome the heat problem. Hear that the last test of a PowerBook G5 caught fire.

[~Shard~]

They are going to have to overcome the heat problem. Hear that the last test of a PowerBook G5 caught fire.

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. That's what you get when you try shoehorning a server-class chip into a 1" enclosure. A dual-core G4 is probably more feasibe to see in a laptop than a G5, but who knows. It's great to see the G5s in the xServes and the iMacs, which are more confined spaces, so there is hope, but there is still a BIG Engineering hurdle to overcome - putting a G5 in a 2" enclosure (iMac) is one thing, putting it something half that size? Good luck.

[PARL0PH0NE]

That wouldn't surprise me in the least. That's what you get when you try shoehorning a server-class chip into a 1" enclosure. A dual-core G4 is probably more feasibe to see in a laptop than a G5, but who knows. It's great to see the G5s in the xServes and the iMacs, which are more confined spaces, so there is hope, but there is still a BIG Engineering hurdle to overcome - putting a G5 in a 2" enclosure (iMac) is one thing, putting it something half that size? Good luck.

If Mac does use a dual G4 core in the updated notebooks they will probally call it the G5 mobile, or something of that nature. The G in mac processors just states the generation of the processor. In reality the processors are made by IBM. If a dual core G4 is used mac will most definately call it a G5. Because a dual core G4 is definately a generation ahead of the current single G4

[~Shard~]

If Mac does use a dual G4 core in the updated notebooks they will probally call it the G5 mobile, or something of that nature. The G in mac processors just states the generation of the processor. In reality the processors are made by IBM. If a dual core G4 is used mac will most definately call it a G5. Because a dual core G4 is definately a generation ahead of the current single G4

I don't think Apple would do this - they already has their naming convention set, and this could lead to confusion and issues. G5s are Apple's name for the latest generation chips from IBM, and G4s are Apple's name for the Motorola chips. Due to association and previous conventions, I don't think Apple could get away with branding a Freescale chip as an IBM chip. The majority of the public may be oblivious to this and not care, but from a legal perspective it would be another matter, as this would be considered misleading.

Perhaps then Intel should just release a "Pentium 4 Mobile" but actually make the chip a 700 MHz Pentium 3 - that wouldn't cause any trouble for people thinking they're getting a "new" Pentium 4... :rolleyes:

[CmdrLaForge]

I don't think Apple would do this - they already has their naming convention set, and this could lead to confusion and issues. G5s are Apple's name for the latest generation chips from IBM, and G4s are Apple's name for the Motorola chips. Due to association and previous conventions, I don't think Apple could get away with branding a Freescale chip as an IBM chip. The majority of the public may be oblivious to this and not care, but from a legal perspective it would be another matter, as this would be considered misleading.

Perhaps then Intel should just release a "Pentium 4 Mobile" but actually make the chip a 700 MHz Pentium 3 - that wouldn't cause any trouble for people thinking they're getting a "new" Pentium 4... ;rolleyes:

I don't see it this way. From my perspective they could call every CPU with 64bit and a fast FSB G5.

Cheers

[JackSYi]

I really think Powerbook G5s are a ways away; but a dual core G4 seems more likely to me. I also hope they redesign the 12" model, maybe with a widescreen?

[wdlove]

My thought would be is a G4 capable of being 64 bit?

[~Shard~]

I don't see it this way. From my perspective they could call every CPU with 64bit and a fast FSB G5.

Cheers

Perhaps. I guess we'll ust have to wait and see. :cool:

[law guy]

I have a new thinkpad T42 1.7 GHz courtesy of my employer. Now, there is a 1.8 out there, but I note this new, rather expensive PC laptop is not light years ahead (or even ahead at all) of my 1.5 GHz G4 PB that is now a year old. I have 128 MB of VRAM in my PB. This is a BTO in the Thinkpads, but no difference. I have a 1.5 G4 that seems faster than my 1.7 GHz intel 32 bit mobile chip in opening apps, switching apps, etc. I can burn DVDs in my PB, can't in my TP. My PB, though a year older is both thinner and lighter.

So to recap - thinner, lighter, faster, more goodies built-in - that's not really being outpaced by the PC folks is it? That all said, it would be nice to really get ahead of the PC curve by putting 64 bit into a notebook of reasonable size (not those literal "desktop replacements"), but the current PBs are right there.

[zap2]

a price drop on the i/powerbook line. I would like to see ibooks starting at 799 or 850. Powerbooks lower too

[berkleeboy210]

Since we are so close to WWDC, is it safe to say we wont see any significant hardware updates until then?

My Predictions for WWDC are:

iPod Videos 60gb and 80gb $499-$599

Here's what I'm thinking regarding the laptop line.

Maybe Apple would drop the iBook line, --- and make the Dual Core the Pro Notebooks, and leave the single processor powerbooks for standard consumer needs.

I highly dought this would happen, but who knows.. -- If they do upgrade the iBooks at WWDC, then PowerBook Updates can't be far behind, or they'll probably update them both at the same time.

My 2cents.

[Schleggie]

I am counting on a Tablet Pc like Mac!!!!! WOW that would rock for College!!

[Val-kyrie]

dont win laptops have 64bit processors already......or is it not true 64bit? the only thing i want on new pb is topgrade lcd.....is dual core g4 64bit processing

My thought would be is a G4 capable of being 64 bit?


Freescale has a 64-bit e700 core slated for development and production after the e600, but I fear these are a long ways off--think: when Apple releases a true 64 bit OS or 1 and 1/2 to 2 years away.

[~Shard~]

Maybe Apple would drop the iBook line, --- and make the Dual Core the Pro Notebooks, and leave the single processor powerbooks for standard consumer needs.


Apple will not drop the iBook line itself. If anything, the new iBook line could essentially become the existing PowerBook line, with the PowerBook line receiving a major overhaul, but Apple would never drop the iBook line - that would be like dropping the iMac line for single processor PowerMacs. Ideally, the iBook will become essentially as powerful as the PowerBooks currently are, and the PowerBooks will see dual-core G4s or some other form of a major overhaul.

[Willy S]

PB seem to be overpriced and Apple seems to have problems in making them more powerful. At the moment, I don´t see many reasons to buy a PB instead of an iBook.

So if Apple cannot give the PBs a major boost like the G5 or a dual core, they will probably integrate iBooks and PBs into one line.

[xrayzed]

The only people getting 'bored' with the incremental speed bumps are people who are closely following the company like you and me who are likely to buy a Mac anyway. Any potential switcher who is not a Mac fan is really going to realise that or indeed care. The current PowerBooks look light years ahead of any PC notebook on the market, even if under the hood they aren't quite as cutting edge as they used to be.

Another minor update for the PowerBook line is my prediction.
As a potential switcher I'd say "not necessarily".

I'm currently leaning very strongly towards switching to a Mac, and PowerBook's are the computer of choice for a number of reasons: portability (otherwise I'd go iMac G5 in an instant) + video editing capacity (otherwise I'd go iBook) - however the power/performance issue is why I didn't place an order a month ago.

A substantial boost to PowerBooks and I'll place my order at the speed of a thousand ducks. If PowerBooks are unchanged or only given a slight tweaking, I might hold off.

What will probably still tip me towards a Mac is the new Final Cut Studio, which is looking rather phenomenal. But I am still weighing the Mac vs PC options up.

And I really, really want a good reason to go Mac.

[Piarco]

I really, really have no idea what will be announced at WWDC. Looks like Apple must have killed the leak.
What I'm hoping for are PB updates, forced by the release of new iBooks. The iBook spec must be that of the current 12" PB (I mean, what else can it be?!?) and I'm intrigued to see a form factor change, I don't know what it will so won't speculate.

This has got to force a update to the Powerbooks. Speedbump? Quite possibley. Can't see any new processors (dual core G4, definately NOT G5) making it in yet. What I would actually love is a 13.3" Powerbook replacing the 12". If the iBooks move widescreen wouldn't a 4:3 PB look dumb?

I've recently sold my 15" PB in my sig, after owning it for a mere week, to replace it with a fully loaded 15" bought with a educational discount I didn't think I was eligable for. But I've owned several 12" PB's before the 15", and was really missing the size. So if Apple release a 13.3" PB I'll be the first in the queue. Especially if it has an updated gfx - the FX5200 is just too old to be used in the PBs now. I could live without the PCMCIA slot, FW800 and just use the dongles for VGA/DVI/S-Video out.

But give me the widescreen and I'll be happy....... I'll be waiting until the 6th before ordering anything

[Onkelskrue]

As a potential switcher I'd say "not necessarily".

I'm currently leaning very strongly towards switching to a Mac, and PowerBook's are the computer of choice for a number of reasons: portability (otherwise I'd go iMac G5 in an instant) + video editing capacity (otherwise I'd go iBook) - however the power/performance issue is why I didn't place an order a month ago.

A substantial boost to PowerBooks and I'll place my order at the speed of a thousand ducks. If PowerBooks are unchanged or only given a slight tweaking, I might hold off.

What will probably still tip me towards a Mac is the new Final Cut Studio, which is looking rather phenomenal. But I am still weighing the Mac vs PC options up.

And I really, really want a good reason to go Mac.


I agree with xrayzed - I have never used a Mac, but I want to switch. However, as I am getting into image work (still & video) and I need a portable solution, I am holding out for a faster PB (a higher resolution screen is also a requirement). I am watching the different forums very carefully, looking for clues to such an upgrade. When that upgrade is annonced, I will be among the first to put in my order.

[dongmin]

Given that most of the big software updates have been announced and power macs have been updated recently, the only thing left worthy of a Stevenote is a laptop announcement (and possibly some new iTunes initiatives).

The iBooks have not had an update in so long because, if they get any faster (167mhz bus, 1.5+ ghz cpu), they'll be eating into PowerBook territory. SO, I'm betting on a simultaneous PB and iBook update. The iBooks will only get a modest speedbump, but the PB's should debut with a new architecture. Whether this will be a 7448 G4 or a dual core G4 (that is not slated to sample until second half of this year) or the mystery G5 mobile is anyone's guess at this point. My handicap:

75% - MPC7448 at 1.8/1.6 ghz with 200mhz bus and 1MB L3 cache
25% - mobile G5 (I'm doubtful that the 970gx is cool enough to run in a laptop)
5% - dual core G4
0% - Pentium M (no way Apple supports both PPC and x86 simultaneously)

[Piarco]

I hope you're right! The logic of an iBook/PB update is sound due to the near cross-over of the specs if they just do the iBooks. And a faster processor would be great for the PB's, but I would like to see (as previously mentioned... talk about flogging a dead/dying horse!) a screen update for the 12" either to a higher res, or a migration to a widescreen. And a corresponding gfx update: either a 9600/9700 for the 12"/13.3" and a newer card for the 15" & 17" or just make 128MB standard.

I was going to place an order next week as I was sure some rumours would have surfaced, but its all looking quiet on that front.... what has Steve got up his sleave?!?

[zelmo]

Haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this is redundant.

It was two years ago at WWDC that Steve promised the 3GHz barrier would drop. He needs to stand before that same audience and have something to say about that....

That new iMac line-up makes the single processor PM pricing look completely out of place. I am hopeful that the current dual processor line-up will all take one step to the left, kicking the sp PM out, and make way for the dualcore dual processor 3.0GHz (or even 2.7GHz) Power Mac. Announced at WWDC with an estimated ship date of 7/31, but not in consumers' hands before September.

[CmdrLaForge]

Given that most of the big software updates have been announced and power macs have been updated recently, the only thing left worthy of a Stevenote is a laptop announcement (and possibly some new iTunes initiatives).

The iBooks have not had an update in so long because, if they get any faster (167mhz bus, 1.5+ ghz cpu), they'll be eating into PowerBook territory. SO, I'm betting on a simultaneous PB and iBook update. The iBooks will only get a modest speedbump, but the PB's should debut with a new architecture. Whether this will be a 7448 G4 or a dual core G4 (that is not slated to sample until second half of this year) or the mystery G5 mobile is anyone's guess at this point. My handicap:

75% - MPC7448 at 1.8/1.6 ghz with 200mhz bus and 1MB L3 cache
25% - mobile G5 (I'm doubtful that the 970gx is cool enough to run in a laptop)
5% - dual core G4
0% - Pentium M (no way Apple supports both PPC and x86 simultaneously)

I don't think that you are right. And the reason is that before the last PB update in January the iBooks were already pretty close to the PBs. That means Apple has done that before and will probably do it again: having iBooks that are pretty close to the PBs.

Only if the iBooks get a major overhaul Steve will present them during the show. Just a speedbumb is nothing he will mention.

My guess:
Stores down on a tuesday in the next 4 weeks and up again with new iBooks.

For the PBs I hope a new one will be presented at the Paris show. That would mean major improvements.

If not - same as with the iBooks. Silent update. Timeframe: about October

[gregoryp]

Seeing that WWDC is a DEVELOPER'S conference, might Apple kick it up a notch and showcase the rev B Mac Mini as a developer's dream machine?

There has been a lot of press about how the Mini is good for application development (Linux?). Why not showcase it in front of the primary audience?

How expensive would it be to install a better chip (7448, 8741D apparently has the wrong I/O and is yet to be seen...anywhere), better graphic's card and better hard drive. I'm not talking insane upgrades, but small bumps that could make the machine significantly faster.

By extension, the same goes for iBook and Power Book

...Unless there is a 970 gx lurking about.

[gruffi]

in my opinion they have to do something about the pb/ib. i am a big pb-fan but i won't buy one for that much money with this kind of obsolete technology. any cheap supermarket-windows-notebook has better components than any pb and they are offered at a much lower price. i hate this so much, economically its stupid but i want a powerbook!!! :mad:

[Yvan256]

I'm dissappointed, not because I wanted one or needed one, but because Apple was supposed to be ahead of the Windows world. They've certainly achieved this in the software area, but the hardware area is another story (i.e. the 3.0 Ghz marker was supposed to have been crossed last June).

Just like intel was supposed to have a Pentium 4 running at 4.0GHz

Look, the whole industry hit a huge wall as far as GHz go. And different architectures means different maximum speeds.

Yes, a PowerMac Quad G5 would be nice, PowerBook Dual G4 too (Freescale dual-core G4's with higher FSB, etc). But if the hardware doesn't exists, Apple can't make a computer out of it.

A PowerMac Quad G5 with lots of Cell co-processors would seriously kick ass though (and CoreImage/CoreVideo/CoreAudio would make it easier to use the Cell co-processors, I bet).

[bodeh6]

Even look at the PC world. What is Intel up to now in the Pentium department? 3.8Ghz. 2 years ago my sister bough her Dell laptop and it had a 3.06 GHz processor. Now what is the Mobile Pentium 4 up to? Why only 3.46 GHz. 2 years for 400 MHz? That is worse then Apple. Same with the desktop Pentium 4. 2 years ago or so, 3GHz. Now 3.8 GHz. What is that, 200MHz every 6 months. Not many complained about Intel. So why are all of the Apple PowerPC people complaining? Who knows. So Steve Jobs promise did not come true. Well neither did Intel reaching 4 GHz. This whole market is right now in a stand still in terms of megahertz increases. They are working on making other parts of the chip faster like the bus and more cache but the megahertz is not going anywhere. So people that complained about the PowerMac updates, shame on you for not looking at the industry as a whole.

[k28]

I don't know, but since Apple have some relationship with Black Eyed Peas, like introduction video of iMac G5 in last year, and now Pre-Order album Monkey biz at ITMS get free booklet, then i think that this could lead to the new iPod Black Eyed Peas Special edition (or maybe iPod mini Black Eyed Peas Special edition). What do you think?

[Daveway]

I don't know, but since Apple have some relationship with Black Eyed Peas, like introduction video of iMac G5 in last year, and now Pre-Order album Monkey biz at ITMS get free booklet, then i think that this could lead to the new iPod Black Eyed Peas Special edition (or maybe iPod mini Black Eyed Peas Special edition). What do you think?

As far as I can remember there were no precursors leading up to the U2 announcement besides rumors of the pod.i

[k28]

As far as I can remember there were no precursors leading up to the U2 announcement besides rumors of the pod.i

Yeah you right, but it different now coz U2 iPod is the first EVER special edition, Anyway, i still thinking that BEP heve something to do with this keynote, because the release date of new album is one day after SJ keynote as well as apple is help them promote their album havily like put the news on startpage, exclusive videos and a digital booklet on ITMS.

Just my 2cent

[wdlove]

Haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this is redundant.

It was two years ago at WWDC that Steve promised the 3GHz barrier would drop. He needs to stand before that same audience and have something to say about that....

That new iMac line-up makes the single processor PM pricing look completely out of place. I am hopeful that the current dual processor line-up will all take one step to the left, kicking the sp PM out, and make way for the dualcore dual processor 3.0GHz (or even 2.7GHz) Power Mac. Announced at WWDC with an estimated ship date of 7/31, but not in consumers' hands before September.

I also think that Steve should stand up at WWDC and explain what has happened to his 3.0 GHz promise. Give us an update as to progress, unless you are accurate with your prediction.

[corduroygt]

Hello all,

This is my first post here. I am currently a PC user looking to buy a new laptop and I have sworn to myself that whatever I get, it won't be running that POS OS by microsoft...

Until MacOS X came, I was unimpressed with apple and I admit, a PC bigot. I was also younger and misspent much of my youth playing video games on my PC's, which explains my distate for macs at the time.

I really don't think PB G5 is that far away as some are inclined to believe. I've been searching around for info on the PB G5, I've read that at 2 Ghz, the G5 (desktop version) consumes about 25W. Guess what, that's the same as the thermal rating Intel gives for my Pentium-M 1.6 Ghz - Banias. If P-M can be put in a reasonably thin notebook, then I'd assume a G5 should be too.

While the P-M is nice, it isn't all that's hyped up to be. Whenever I'm doing some nontrivial tasks, the cpu speed gets bumped to 1.6 ghz from the cool 589 mhz, and the fan kicks in. However, since most of the time I'm surfing the web, checking email etc, the fan is usually off. I'm sure the two years since the G5 introduction has given the engineers some time to implement voltage/clock scaling features on the mobile version of G5, alongside with the trick high-latency but low-power cache found in the Pentium-M. I'm sure with these features, the G5 could be put in a reasonably thin notebook, if not 1", then definitely into 1.25". It would run at around 800 mhz nominally, but then be able to step up to 2 ghz and intermediate steps in between (along with voltage) when needed. Think of it, most of the time the laptop is actually on my lap, I don't do any intensive work that would keep the fan on for long.

Besides the CPU, the biggest issue is screen resolution. My inspiron 8600 has a 15.4 1680x1050 screen and i think it's perfect. And I have nearsightedness and astigmatism, not superman eyes. The whole "designers prefer 100 dpi" argument is pure BS if you ask me. Apple had that market cornered for years, and it needs to expand to people like me, developers, power users who have been using PC's for years. The people that have been using macs for long won't switch to PC's just because of an increase in screen resolution...The market left for apple to bite into is now casual users, programmers and power users, all firmly entrenched in the wintel camp for years. I'm sure they will be able to appreciate the increased desktop real estate that comes with a high resolution, I know I would.

So here's my suggestions for the new powerbook G5 lineup, based on other pc laptops which already use LCD panels of the same size and configuration.

12.1 PB = 1280x800 (Dell 700m)
15.4 PB = 1680x1050 (Various Dells, Compaqs, HPs)
17 PB = 1920x1200 (Sony, Dell)

This way, even the 12 PB could be marketed as being able to edit 720p HD video, and the 17 will be able to edit full HD 1080p. The 15" will appeal more to power users, developers and admins new to the mac world.

Also, why not have a webcam integrated onto the new pb? Sony had this on their laptops a few years ago, and I'd think it makes perfect sense to include a $10 part on a $3k laptop. USB webcams are so 90s, even iSight.

Also, it's time for two button mice and trackpads for apple after 20 years... It doesnt matter much to me because I'd be using my bluetooth mouse with my new pb anyway.

Hear me apple, build new pb g5's like above and they will come. I will be handing out my credit card on the 7th to the nearest apple store :)

[bodeh6]

Corduroygt, you could not have said it any better. I am looking at getting the 15" PB this fall. If they release a HD 15.4" PB, then I will be all over that.

[wdlove]

Welcome to MacRumors bodeh6 and corduroygt. Well just one week from now we will know what Steve has to say on the subject. Many will be disappointed if he doesn't address this issue among others.

[BarfBag]

Wow, corduroygt. You convinced me that they could and should put G5 chips in laptops. Good work. :eek:

[Panoctopi]

I don't know, but since Apple have some relationship with Black Eyed Peas, like introduction video of iMac G5 in last year, and now Pre-Order album Monkey biz at ITMS get free booklet, then i think that this could lead to the new iPod Black Eyed Peas Special edition (or maybe iPod mini Black Eyed Peas Special edition). What do you think?

the black eyed peas?!? :eek: WTF!!! A bunch of sell out, wannabes, pop rappers... puhlease! Give steve some credit.

[corduroygt]

Here's an excerpt from this page (http://www.macintouch.com/http://www.macintouch.com/g5reader06.html)

IBM's own literature (IBM PowerPC Quick Reference Guide - G224-7178-02) states the power dissipation of the 970 (130nm) and 970FX (90nm) are as follows:

970@1.8 Ghz 51W typical
970FX@1.4 GHz 12.3W typical
970FX@2 GHz 24.5W typical
Scaling the power (pdiss is proportional to operating frequency) to 2.5GHz for the 970FX leads to ~35W

A 2.5 GHz 970FX is lower power than a 1.8GHz 970. [...] The latest PowerBooks use the low power 7447A. From MPC7447AEC.pdf Rev. 0 2/2004

1267 MHz 18.3 W typical
1333 MHz 18 W typical (screened for lower power)
1420 MHz 20 W typical
A 970FX at 1.8 GHz consumes about 20 W typical. Why is Apple saying it is so hard to put a G5 in a laptop? Perhaps there aren't good power-saving features in the 970FX but that is a battery life issue not a thermal one.

[EGT]

If what you have said happens, i will be a very happy man for a long time.

Fingers crossed for next week! Come on Steve!!! What have you been dreaming up!?

This is better than Christmas, this is!

[DHagan4755]

Why is Apple saying it is so hard to put a G5 in a laptop? Perhaps there aren't good power-saving features in the 970FX but that is a battery life issue not a thermal one.
You forgot about the system controller. This is probably the reason why we aren't seeing (to date) G5s in PowerBooks. There was a site that recently showed the logic board of the new G5s with pretty sizeable heat pipes on the underside of the Power Mac's logic board. We need to see a more efficient and cooler G5 chip for PowerBooks, so a controller can be made that will also contribute to keeping the system cool.

I think such a cooler G5 chip now exists for PowerBook use and I think we'll see PB G5s at WWDC (I'm overly confident)

[corduroygt]

You forgot about the system controller. This is probably the reason why we aren't seeing (to date) G5s in PowerBooks. There was a site that recently showed the logic board of the new G5s with pretty sizeable heat pipes on the underside of the Power Mac's logic board. We need to see a more efficient and cooler G5 chip for PowerBooks, so a controller can be made that will also contribute to keeping the system cool.

I think such a cooler G5 chip now exists for PowerBook use and I think we'll see PB G5s at WWDC (I'm overly confident)

Why not make the system controller also able to scale down frequency AND vdd (scaling down voltage is key, since power consumption increases with the SQUARE of the voltage) I have a feeling apple and IBM have been working on this, and it is fundamentally an easier challenge, since it does not run at as high frequencies as the G5 to begin with...

[jaw04005]

the black eyed peas?!? :eek: WTF!!! A bunch of sell out, wannabes, pop rappers... puhlease! Give steve some credit.

Steve made a mistake in featuring the Black Eyed Peas in the iMac G5 introduction and elsewhere. The "Peas" have promoted every music service available and now you can't turn on your TV without seeing them. I think their latest commercial promotes their album with Best Buy. I also got an email from American Eagle stating that their album would be available for download as part of an exclusive contract.

A few other of Steve's featured celebrities like Sheryl Crow have promoted other music services after publicly promoting iTunes. Although Crow's music is better than the Peas, so it doesn't bother me as much. :)

I guess it's good marketing by their managers, but it makes them look like sell outs.

[obeygiant]

the black eyed peas?!? :eek: WTF!!! A bunch of sell out, wannabes, pop rappers... puhlease! Give steve some credit.


dude, who cares about selling out, you gotta make what you can when you can. screw the haterz.

[obeygiant]

dude, who cares about selling out, you gotta make what you can when you can. screw the haterz.


maybe they'll come out with the Black Eyed Peas Special Edition iPod!

YEAH!

[CubaTBird]

i dunno... i mean this wwdc.. im not that excited going into it.. last year i was like 'O SHNAP NEW IPODS TEH COMING OUT NO??!!!111" but now, im like meh... maybe its cuz i have and ibook with tiger and two ipods.. so im good.. for now.. :) :rolleyes:

[xrayzed]

Hello all,

This is my first post here. I am currently a PC user looking to buy a new laptop and I have sworn to myself that whatever I get, it won't be running that POS OS by microsoft...

Hear me apple, build new pb g5's like above and they will come. I will be handing out my credit card on the 7th to the nearest apple store :)
I am so with you on this. If the PB's get a G5 upgrade I'm placing my order the same day. I'm not expecting it, but it would be a rather pleasant outcome.

The catch might be that they won't ship for ages, or come in at some hideous price, of course. The joys of computing...

[gregoryp]

Looks like Apple will have to share the Freescale Dual core with the U.S. Military if it wants to put them in upcoming PB's and Mini's (beats sharing the IBM PowerPC with Sony, Toshiba and Microsoft?).

I have no idea what I'm reading, but it does seem to offer details about the chip's performance and how it is being used and implemented.

Announced, but not yet available. From a recent press release put out by Curtiss-Wright, maker of single board computers and other cool stuff...

VITA 46 Signal Processing Engine CHAMP 6
The CHAMP 6 will be a quad FreeScale 8641 processor design, available in both 8641 single-core and 8641 dual-core versions. With four dual-core processors, this card represents the largest increase in processing Curtiss-Wright has offered between generational upgrades of a product. Memory intensive algorithms will benefit from the very high 9.6Gbytes/sec bandwidth provided by the 8641’s dual memory controllers, more than four times the current capacity of the 7447/7448-based CHAMP AV-IV. The card will also support on-board PCIe based XMC sites (VITA 42).
The CHAMP 6 will feature Serial RapidIO interconnect to support tying many boards together in large multi-board DSP clusters. The card will also support PCIe connections to permit interoperability with PCIe based peripherals and SBCs. Curtiss-Wright will support the CHAMP 6 with its popular Inter-Processor Communications Software (IPC) library, and DSP function libraries enabling customers to seamlessly migrate applications developed on the current generation of PCI/StarFabric based quad processor designs.

[gregoryp]

Sorry for the lengthy post, but who is Pegasos and Genesi? http://www.pegasosppc.com/odw.php

Open Desktop Workstation?
http://www.pegasosppc.com/odw.php

Apparently they are currently demo-ing their latest 7448 based PC.

I was kind of evesdropping...
http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3515&forum=2&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0

Dual core in the works, but not expected til next year sometime.

I guess that's it. No dual core PB's until 2006. We'll have to make due with the New and Improved 7448 this time around.