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MacRumors
Oct 10, 2011, 11:11 AM
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These photos aren't surprising, but for those interested, AppVV (http://bbs.appvv.com/thread-961-1-1.html) has also posted photos of the new iPhone 4S alongside both CDMA and GSM iPhone 4 devices. It's also further proof that AppVV has gotten hold of an iPhone 4S before the official launch.

They've already posted a hands on video (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/10/first-hands-on-video-of-iphone-4s-with-benchmarks/) showing the Siri settings.

In these photos, the iPhone 4S is on the left, iPhone 4 GSM middle, and iPhone 4 CDMA right.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/10/2259252cznw16zww868ign-500x305.jpg

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http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/10/22592959mxpmgx59rjg5kj-500x333.jpg

(http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/10/22592959mxpmgx59rjg5kj.jpg)
The photos simply show the new antenna design of the iPhone 4S which looks almost identical to the CDMA iPhone. The only noticeable difference is the addition of a GSM slot. Otherwise, the phones appear identical on the outside.

AppVV (http://bbs.appvv.com/thread-961-1-1.html) has further shots, but you need to be a registered user.

Article Link: Side By Side Photos of iPhone 4S and iPhone 4 (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/10/side-by-side-photos-of-iphone-4s-and-iphone-4/)



usman93
Oct 10, 2011, 11:16 AM
Too bad they didnt change the look. I dont mind this look :confused: :rolleyes:

Sportcat
Oct 10, 2011, 11:16 AM
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Any antenna issues???

iNeko
Oct 10, 2011, 11:26 AM
Odd that the design is the same as the CDMA iPhone 4. Good excuse to make people buy new cases, I guess! (I know I have!) :) really looking forward to getting mine!

chrmjenkins
Oct 10, 2011, 11:37 AM
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Any antenna issues???

Theoretically it should be invulnerable to the bridging issue and the death grip issue since it has full tx/rx antenna diversity. (if you clasp the bottom hard, the top antenna will become active). It all depends how good/fast/reliable apple's switching algorithm is.

goobot
Oct 10, 2011, 11:41 AM
Why doesn't the Verizon 4 one have the fcc stuff on its back but the 4 gsm and 4s do?

justperry
Oct 10, 2011, 11:42 AM
No surprise here but I would like to see what is different inside, ifixit will do that for us soon.

yrsued
Oct 10, 2011, 11:45 AM
Odd that the design is the same as the CDMA iPhone 4. Good excuse to make people buy new cases, I guess! (I know I have!) :) really looking forward to getting mine!


Magpul Cases fit both!!

I prefer the Field Case

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG451/125
My Wife likes the Executive

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG450/125

The Tuck
Oct 10, 2011, 11:45 AM
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Any antenna issues???

We'll find out soon enough...

Tuck

Dyspareunia
Oct 10, 2011, 11:55 AM
Why doesn't the Verizon 4 one have the fcc stuff on its back but the 4 gsm and 4s do?

My understanding of this is that when the CDMA version/Verizon iPhone 4 was released, it was an exclusive USA model, so therefore didn't need all the other designations on the back.

The original GSM iPhone 4 and now the 4S are models that are going to be implemented internationally, so therefore these two models will have to have all the extra "stuff" on the back.

mungo2k
Oct 10, 2011, 11:58 AM
Why doesn't the Verizon 4 one have the fcc stuff on its back but the 4 gsm and 4s do?

I'm guessing those are required symbols in Europe / Asia / Australasia but not in the US. The CDMA phone is only available in the US.

Skika
Oct 10, 2011, 12:33 PM
Nothing to see here.

Not even hating. :)

medelman
Oct 10, 2011, 12:33 PM
Does this mean then that the current iPhone 4 Otterbox Defender case will work for the new iphone 4s? I know there has been some controversy over the matter, but I bought the universal iPhone defender from Amazon and have not returned it yet hoping that someone can confirm that $16 case will fit versus the new $50 dollar ones.

iNeko
Oct 10, 2011, 12:45 PM
Magpul Cases fit both!!

I prefer the Field Case

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG451/125
My Wife likes the Executive

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG450/125

:) I've ordered a CDMA version of the SGP Neo Hybrid EX (well, 2, I plan to do the white silicon swap)

mlmwalt
Oct 10, 2011, 12:52 PM
Hopefully the Otterbox Commuter will work with it.

Nicky G
Oct 10, 2011, 01:23 PM
Mute and volume buttons on the Verizon 4 and the 4S appear to be lower than the AT&T/GSM iPhone 4 -- is this the case? If so, my speck case might not line up perfectly with the 4S. :confused:

scbn
Oct 10, 2011, 01:23 PM
They look exactly the same from the back. I wish Apple has done something to make it easier to distinguish i4S from i4.

Ravich
Oct 10, 2011, 01:32 PM
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Any antenna issues???

This x100000

Caliber26
Oct 10, 2011, 01:41 PM
Mute and volume buttons on the Verizon 4 and the 4S appear to be lower than the AT&T/GSM iPhone 4 -- is this the case? If so, my speck case might not line up perfectly with the 4S. :confused:

You're right. It won't. Only those with Verizon iPhones can use their existing cases with the new iPhone 4S. The mute button was moved in order to accommodate the new antenna.

Glideslope
Oct 10, 2011, 02:13 PM
The Spec Candy Shell Cases with the new larger opening for the camera are 4/4S compliant.

Only the new ones with the large opening.:apple:

accidental
Oct 10, 2011, 02:24 PM
Odd that the design is the same as the CDMA iPhone 4. Good excuse to make people buy new cases, I guess! (I know I have!) :) really looking forward to getting mine!

Not an excuse to make people buy cases. That the buttons are in the same location as the CDMA version because it has an additional antenna seam in the same location as the CDMA version. It's plainly obvious right there in the photo.

They look exactly the same from the back. I wish Apple has done something to make it easier to distinguish i4S from i4.

I think this has a lot to do with why people were disappointed it wasn't a new design. It's nice to know that other people know it's the newest phone.

parapup
Oct 10, 2011, 02:31 PM
Magpul Cases fit both!!

I prefer the Field Case

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG451/125
My Wife likes the Executive

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG450/125

No offense, but I might as well use this phone instead of using *that* case atop iP4.

http://www.sprint-phones.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Sprint-Motorola-Clutch-phone-3.jpg

Alternatively buy insurance and use the iPhone like every other man would - bare :D

Shrink
Oct 10, 2011, 02:45 PM
They look exactly the same from the back. I wish Apple has done something to make it easier to distinguish i4S from i4.

Just wondering why? :confused:

As long as you have all the improvements, why is it important for the new phone to look different? (Aside form wanting others to know you have the latest and greatest.)

(This is, of course, ignoring the issue of whether the new phone should have had a whole new form factor - that horse is dead.)

AWallen90
Oct 10, 2011, 02:59 PM
They look exactly the same from the back. I wish Apple has done something to make it easier to distinguish i4S from i4.

I can see your point if you are talking about buying one from some dude on the street. Otherwise, who cares about a redesign as long as the performance kicks butt.

KTF
Oct 10, 2011, 03:13 PM
Magpul Cases fit both!!

I prefer the Field Case

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG451/125
My Wife likes the Executive

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG450/125 Thank You For The Inf.

jclardy
Oct 10, 2011, 03:17 PM
The only issue with it looking the same is in selling the phone. Some scammer could easily sell a 4 off as a 4S, the only thing that could be an issue is if they try to pull up Siri.

The other improvements won't be noticeable on the phone itself. The A5 will be faster, but they won't have anything to compare it to as the iPhone 4 is already fast. Then there is the camera, which you aren't able to see the photo resolution until you take the pictures off the camera. Same with video.

Not really an issue for someone who knows what they are looking for, but for a first time iPhone buyer looking to buy used it could be an issue.

goobot
Oct 10, 2011, 03:36 PM
The only issue with it looking the same is in selling the phone. Some scammer could easily sell a 4 off as a 4S, the only thing that could be an issue is if they try to pull up Siri.



You can tell the difference by all 3 easily, If it has the bands like the gsm one it is gsm 4, if it has the cmda bands but the sim slot and the fcc stuff it is the 4s, if not then it is the 4 cmda.

Flipt
Oct 10, 2011, 04:31 PM
Hmmmm...now im confused

I have just bought a Switcheasy Rebel in readiness for the 4S as it states on their website that it will fit both the 4 and the 4S. After looking at these pictures and comparing the phones to my girlfriends GSM 4, it looks as though the mute rocker has slightly moved on the 4S.

I am now wondering how their cases will fit both?

We shall see when I get them both together.

AIP5
Oct 10, 2011, 04:32 PM
So the 4S antenna is the exact same as the Verizon CDMA iPhone 4 antenna, right?

Does this mean that the "antenna fix" they did was software based?

On a side note... what the heck. 16 months for a Verizon CDMA iPhone 4 with an A5 chip in it and an 8MP camera. Not even an intensive internal upgrade as the 3G to 3GS was.

Neurobit
Oct 10, 2011, 04:55 PM
So the 4S antenna is the exact same as the Verizon CDMA iPhone 4 antenna, right?

Does this mean that the "antenna fix" they did was software based?

On a side note... what the heck. 16 months for a Verizon CDMA iPhone 4 with an A5 chip in it and an 8MP camera. Not even an intensive internal upgrade as the 3G to 3GS was.


The 4s has separate send/receive antennas. I don't believe the CDMA model has this.
Totally new chip (A5).
New 8MP camera, backlit CMOS and also a lens redesign with added fifth element.
1080P HD video from 720p, and added image stabilization (via a DVP chip in the A5).

Seems that this is a pretty substantial update just like the 3 => 3GS was.

Neurobit

AIP5
Oct 10, 2011, 05:20 PM
The 4s has separate send/receive antennas. I don't believe the CDMA model has this.
Totally new chip (A5).
New 8MP camera, backlit CMOS and also a lens redesign with added fifth element.
1080P HD video from 720p, and added image stabilization (via a DVP chip in the A5).

Seems that this is a pretty substantial update just like the 3 => 3GS was.

Neurobit

Actually, it'd have to change a LOT more on the internals for it to equate to a 3G to 3GS upgrade.

For reference you can quick read these two articles about the 3G to 3GS upgrade: Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/iphone-3g-s-gets-the-quick-and-dirty-tear-apart-treatment-alrea/) and other differences (http://iphone3gsystem.net/iphone3g-vs-3gs.html).

But otherwise, you pretty much nailed it: all that was upgraded was the chip and camera. As for the chip... I don't think it's as big of a leap forward as 3G to 3GS was. 3GS introduced the all new Cortex A8 chip, which served as the base architecture and framework for the A4, and now the dual core A5.

I'm still not sure about the antenna part... I'm inclined to believe it's a software thing... but I can't wait for the guys to tear it up and see what else is new.

toddybody
Oct 10, 2011, 05:26 PM
I thought the ATT salesman was strange when he was trying to push the new iPhone 4S cases on me...as the dimensions and camera ports are identical, iphone 4 cases should work. Or am i missing something.


PS: The iP4S cases had a larger cut out for the new lens. Required?

accidental
Oct 10, 2011, 05:46 PM
I thought the ATT salesman was strange when he was trying to push the new iPhone 4S cases on me...as the dimensions and camera ports are identical, iphone 4 cases should work. Or am i missing something.


PS: The iP4S cases had a larger cut out for the new lens. Required?

You can answer your own question by reading and looking at the photos in the article that you've commented on.

Notice the buttons are higher up on the GSM (AT&T) iPhone 4? So any cases with holes that line up with GSM iPhone 4 buttons won't work on the 4S.

Neurobit
Oct 10, 2011, 05:52 PM
You can answer your own question by reading and looking at the photos in the article that you've commented on.

Notice the buttons are higher up on the GSM (AT&T) iPhone 4? So any cases with holes that line up with GSM iPhone 4 buttons won't work on the 4S.

Camera is identical.
The difference is the mute button. The CDMA model's is about 1-2mm lower than the GSM model.
Some mfgrs make universal cases tha account for this with a larger opening.

Neurobit

aristotle
Oct 10, 2011, 05:54 PM
Magpul Cases fit both!!

I prefer the Field Case

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG451/125
My Wife likes the Executive

http://store.magpul.com/product/MAG450/125
Hmm... They don't ship outside of the US. Are there any stores in either Seattle or Vegas that carry them?

toddybody
Oct 10, 2011, 06:57 PM
You can answer your own question by reading and looking at the photos in the article that you've commented on.


Thanks for the kind response. Serves me right for not reading the entire article and asking a question. Ill make sure to do better next time




@Neurobit, thanks for the info friend.

LIVEFRMNYC
Oct 10, 2011, 06:58 PM
No offense, but I might as well use this phone instead of using *that* case atop iP4.

Image (http://www.sprint-phones.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Sprint-Motorola-Clutch-phone-3.jpg)

Alternatively buy insurance and use the iPhone like every other man would - bare :D

It's called a FIELD case for a reason.

Plymouthbreezer
Oct 10, 2011, 07:59 PM
Image (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/10/side-by-side-photos-of-iphone-4s-and-iphone-4/)

This is almost as un-newsworthy as... Umm... I don't know.

Nonetheless, interesting on some accounts. I was hoping that the FCC junk would disappear from the 4S, as the back on the Verizon iPhone is so sleek. Oh well, the reasons make sense for it to stay there.

cvaldes
Oct 10, 2011, 09:32 PM
Camera is identical.
The difference is the mute button. The CDMA model's is about 1-2mm lower than the GSM model.
Some mfgrs make universal cases tha account for this with a larger opening.

Neurobit
This is the correct answer.

How do you know if a given case will work with the iPhone 4S? Well, one way is to visit the case manufacturer's website and see if the cases differ.

Example: If you go to Incipio's website and look at the Dermashot silicone cases for the iPhone 4 (regular), iPhone 4 (Verizon), and iPhone 4S, you will note that they all have the same manufacturer's model number (IPH-500). Thus, the case is universal.

chrmjenkins
Oct 10, 2011, 11:16 PM
I'm still not sure about the antenna part... I'm inclined to believe it's a software thing... but I can't wait for the guys to tear it up and see what else is new.

It's both. Internal physical connections are different and software has to intelligently switch.

AIP5
Oct 10, 2011, 11:46 PM
Wait until someone actually has the device in their hand and can tear it apart to see the internal differences.

We already know the external part: the antenna looks exactly the same as the Verizon CDMA iPhone 4. Like someone else said above, only a tear up will reveal if the connections are different on the inside.

MacinDoc
Oct 11, 2011, 12:28 AM
You can tell the difference by all 3 easily, If it has the bands like the gsm one it is gsm 4, if it has the cmda bands but the sim slot and the fcc stuff it is the 4s, if not then it is the 4 cmda.
YOU can, but maybe not the average Joe/Jill on the street who doesn't MacRumors.

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Wait until someone actually has the device in their hand and can tear it apart to see the internal differences.

We already know the external part: the antenna looks exactly the same as the Verizon CDMA iPhone 4. Like someone else said above, only a tear up will reveal if the connections are different on the inside.
According to the keynote, full receiving and sending diversity, with intelligent automatic switching, none of which were present in the previous models. With any luck, this will also improve battery life for the people who were having reception problems. Of course, for those of us who weren't "holding it wrong", there may be little noticeable difference.

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Just wondering why? :confused:

As long as you have all the improvements, why is it important for the new phone to look different? (Aside form wanting others to know you have the latest and greatest.)

(This is, of course, ignoring the issue of whether the new phone should have had a whole new form factor - that horse is dead.)
Unfortunately, vanity is a factor in some people's desire for an iPhone.

Dr McKay
Oct 11, 2011, 02:56 AM
No offense, but I might as well use this phone instead of using *that* case atop iP4.

Image (http://www.sprint-phones.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Sprint-Motorola-Clutch-phone-3.jpg)

Alternatively buy insurance and use the iPhone like every other man would - bare :D

I used to use the iPhone Bareback, until realising the camera lens was an easy target for scratches, resulting in a useless camera.

rhinosrcool
Oct 11, 2011, 06:08 AM
Camera is identical.
The difference is the mute button. The CDMA model's is about 1-2mm lower than the GSM model.
Some mfgrs make universal cases tha account for this with a larger opening.

Neurobit

Not only is the mute bottom lower, but so are the volume buttons. For many cases, this shouldn't be a problem. However, for those cases cut exactly, it could be an issue. We'll see...

randfee2
Oct 11, 2011, 06:12 AM
sorry, but what's with the camera? Wasn't the aperture supposed to be way bigger? pfff.... it's the same size!

nickdelvecchio
Oct 11, 2011, 09:49 AM
sorry, but what's with the camera? Wasn't the aperture supposed to be way bigger? pfff.... it's the same size!

it's a 5 point instead of a 4. it's waaay better in every way.

apu1234
Oct 11, 2011, 03:29 PM
sorry, but what's with the camera? Wasn't the aperture supposed to be way bigger? pfff.... it's the same size!

Yes the aperture is larger in iPhone 4S, f/2.4 vs f/2.8 found on iPhone 4, but wider aperture has usually very little to do with the fysical size of the camera, and in this case, nothing.

Neurobit
Oct 11, 2011, 03:54 PM
sorry, but what's with the camera? Wasn't the aperture supposed to be way bigger? pfff.... it's the same size!

By aperture they refer to the maximum aperture that the lens can achieve at wide open, which on the new camera is f/2.4 from f/2.8, or a half stop difference (Lower is better. The bigger the aperture, the more light that will reach the sensor).

nohaver
Oct 11, 2011, 06:29 PM
So since there is now one phone model for GSM and CDMA it is possible to take the same phone with you from AT&T to Sprint or Verizon? I suppose that's a win.

Neurobit
Oct 11, 2011, 06:37 PM
So since there is now one phone model for GSM and CDMA it is possible to take the same phone with you from AT&T to Sprint or Verizon? I suppose that's a win.

That is correct.

bengi
Oct 12, 2011, 12:24 AM
http://www.otterbox.com/iPhone-4-Defender-Series-Case/APL2-I4XXX,default,pd.html?dwvar_APL2-I4XXX_color=20&start=2&cgid=apple-iphone-4-cases

OneMike
Oct 12, 2011, 09:46 AM
Does this mean then that the current iPhone 4 Otterbox Defender case will work for the new iphone 4s? I know there has been some controversy over the matter, but I bought the universal iPhone defender from Amazon and have not returned it yet hoping that someone can confirm that $16 case will fit versus the new $50 dollar ones.

I've been going back and forth several times over this. I'm just going to go ahead and order the $16 case from Amazon today so with my 2 day prime shipping i'll have it in time for Friday. I've asked Apple reps and the only people who are saying the design is different is otterbox.

toddybody
Oct 12, 2011, 12:31 PM
Ill be grabbing one of the SGP Leather cases...theyre universal (GSM+CDMA) and look fantastic. Gonna look so good with a white iPhone 4S:D


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0047Q6FM0/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d1_g23_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1VT476CXEC7NZFT1E0M5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

dragonte
Oct 13, 2011, 09:18 PM
Hmmmm...now im confused

I have just bought a Switcheasy Rebel in readiness for the 4S as it states on their website that it will fit both the 4 and the 4S. After looking at these pictures and comparing the phones to my girlfriends GSM 4, it looks as though the mute rocker has slightly moved on the 4S.

I am now wondering how their cases will fit both?

We shall see when I get them both together.

There are a lot of cases on the market that fit both the CDMA and GSM version of the iPhone 4. They have bigger openings.

nohaver
Oct 17, 2011, 02:13 PM
That is correct.

Neurobit - Any idea on the effort involved in taking a Sprint iPhone4s to AT&T?

Sprint screwed up and sent me two orders (although they charged me the upgrade price on each) and I'd like to sell this extra one without limiting myself to Spring customers.

Neurobit
Oct 17, 2011, 08:33 PM
Neurobit - Any idea on the effort involved in taking a Sprint iPhone4s to AT&T?

Sprint screwed up and sent me two orders (although they charged me the upgrade price on each) and I'd like to sell this extra one without limiting myself to Spring customers.

If they didn't charge you full price, I think you will be bound by a contract. If you brake it you will be charged early termination fee which will run you $300 or more.
Are they not letting you return the extra phone?

On Edit: Forgot to answer the first part of the question. The phone will be locked to Sprint, so you will not be able to take it to AT&T even if you don't get charged a termination fee, so I would try to return it.

Neurobit