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AIP5
Oct 12, 2011, 01:36 PM
So, I'll install iOS 5 this evening on my 3GS with my Snow Leopard Mac, and I know I shouldn't have any problem with that.

But, do any of you guys know how iCloud will work, or is supposed to work with Snow Leopard computers? I read about some iCloud update for Snow Leopard, but not sure if it came through. Half of the fun in iOS 5 is with iCloud (love the Calendar wireless sync, so helpful!)



Irock619
Oct 12, 2011, 01:37 PM
So, I'll install iOS 5 this evening on my 3GS with my Snow Leopard Mac, and I know I shouldn't have any problem with that.

But, do any of you guys know how iCloud will work, or is supposed to work with Snow Leopard computers? I read about some iCloud update for Snow Leopard, but not sure if it came through. Half of the fun in iOS 5 is with iCloud (love the Calendar wireless sync, so helpful!)

The website specifically says OSX Lion, Sorry!

Wrathwitch
Oct 12, 2011, 01:38 PM
You are kind of in the same boat as me. I really don't want to Lion my iMac but that is my main machine that I sync my phone to. I do want the iCloud functionality, but I saw that you need Lion to do it.

I am trying to find out if I can sync my phone to either system when I want to. ie: download photos to my iphoto via Snow Leopard, but have the sync capability wirelessly and the icloud back up features....

mrkjsn
Oct 12, 2011, 01:42 PM
Yeah...big bummer. I'm running some non-apple applications on my MBP that's not yet supported under Lion so I'm waiting. I already bought Lion but had to Time Machine back to Snow Leopard. Hoping my apps catch up with an updated software or Apple opens iCloud for Snow Leopard soon.

vincebio
Oct 12, 2011, 01:47 PM
iCloud for Snow Leopard is coming guys...just hang tight..

Support Documents are already being found for a 10.6.9 update

AIP5
Oct 12, 2011, 01:48 PM
The website specifically says OSX Lion, Sorry!

Yeah, I know, specifically the 10.7.2 version. :(

I really want it on Snow Leopard though... I honestly like Snow Leopard better than Lion, especially with the multitouch setup I have on here.

I hope they do an update to give Snow Leopard iCloud.

I was just wondering if I can set up an iCloud account with only iOS 5 on my phone, and nothing on my Snow Leopard MBP. Does anyone know how that works? Or do I need at least 2 iCloud capable devices?

renewed
Oct 12, 2011, 01:52 PM
I setup iCloud on Snow Leopard and my iPhone 4 but it may be because I previously had MobileMe.

HarryPot
Oct 12, 2011, 01:52 PM
It would be stupid from Apple not to support Snow Leopard.

Many people are still using it. And many can't update to Lion because of hardware.

Wrathwitch
Oct 12, 2011, 01:54 PM
Anyone know if it's possible to sync to either SL or Lion as you wish? Or is it when you sync to the Lion, you cannot go to your other machine and use iTunes to place photos etc?

617arg
Oct 12, 2011, 01:57 PM
Ugh. I'm still using Leopard. Any chance of support for that? Seems strange that iCloud is ready for Vista but not for Snow Leopard/Leopard.

I've gotten to the point of sort of relying on the automatic contact/calendar updates that were available on MobileMe, and I'm not really ready to update and set up many of the programs/settings on my machine......

AIP5
Oct 12, 2011, 02:04 PM
I setup iCloud on Snow Leopard and my iPhone 4 but it may be because I previously had MobileMe.

Hmm, how did that work? Did you have an update of some sort? Or do you go through your browser?

Like for example, if you update something on your Calendar on your iPhone 4, does it automatically get updated on iCal on Snow Leopard?

renewed
Oct 12, 2011, 02:16 PM
Hmm, how did that work? Did you have an update of some sort? Or do you go through your browser?

Like for example, if you update something on your Calendar on your iPhone 4, does it automatically get updated on iCal on Snow Leopard?

I think I spoke too soon. It was working but now it says "you're account has been upgraded to iCloud" and nothing syncs anymore. This sucks. I use this for work calendar.

AIP5
Oct 12, 2011, 02:24 PM
I think I spoke too soon. It was working but now it says "you're account has been upgraded to iCloud" and nothing syncs anymore. This sucks. I use this for work calendar.

Ah :(

I e-mailed Tim Cook to ask him if iCloud will support Snow Leopard a while back, but as expected, no response...

renewed
Oct 12, 2011, 02:31 PM
Ah :(

I e-mailed Tim Cook to ask him if iCloud will support Snow Leopard a while back, but as expected, no response...

This sucks.

This is what I see:

And the last time everything sync'd was 1:15 PM. It is now 2:31 PM. When I try to manual sync it won't do it.

kemo
Oct 12, 2011, 02:39 PM
yea this is odd, and Im on SL only because of expose thing, but it seems they made some changes in 10.7.2 so Ill give it a shot and we will see - iCloud is probably the thing that makes me to keep Lion on my Mac :/

renewed
Oct 12, 2011, 02:54 PM
Went ahead and purchased OSX Lion

AIP5
Oct 12, 2011, 02:56 PM
yea this is odd, and Im on SL only because of expose thing, but it seems they made some changes in 10.7.2 so Ill give it a shot and we will see - iCloud is probably the thing that makes me to keep Lion on my Mac :/

Ya, one of my family member's new MBP came with Lion pre-installed, so I'll give 10.7.2 a try and see which bugs they fixed and what they improved. Though, I don't want to try iCloud on there since I don't want to link my iPhone with that particular laptop.

I'd like to know your opinion once you try it out, though. I might upgrade to Lion if it's really worth it. But I like my current Snow Leopard state much better.

----------

Went ahead and purchased OSX Lion

Ah :(


Well, be sure to tell how 10.7.2 is, and how iCloud works on it. I'll keep my Snow Leopard for at least another month to see if they release an update for it.

renewed
Oct 12, 2011, 03:02 PM
I just didn't have the patience since my work calendars are on it. Hopefully it was worth it. I mean it's also the latest OSX too so.

mrmattmarks
Oct 12, 2011, 03:12 PM
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ASakai
Oct 12, 2011, 04:25 PM
iCloud for Snow Leopard is coming guys...just hang tight..

Support Documents are already being found for a 10.6.9 update



I really, really hope so. Apple is allowing iCloud to work on both Windows 7 and Vista, yet they are only allowing it on one operating system for their own branded product. This boggles my mind they'd allow 2 of Windows' latest versions, yet only one of their own (that being Lion). How did they come to that wackadoodle decision to kick Snow Leopard users to the curb?! :confused:

AIP5
Oct 12, 2011, 07:36 PM
My only chance of survival is if iOS 5 will still support MobileMe alongside iCloud. Any news on if it does?

Unfortunately, I don't think it does. :( Mobile Me is being shut down with iCloud I believe. You can migrate your Mobile Me account to iCloud though...


I really, really hope so. Apple is allowing iCloud to work on both Windows 7 and Vista, yet they are only allowing it on one operating system for their own branded product. This boggles my mind they'd allow 2 of Windows' latest versions, yet only one of their own (that being Lion). How did they come to that wackadoodle decision to kick Snow Leopard users to the curb?! :confused:

Well, I don't know anything for certain, but I think they want people to upgrade to Lion. I mean, the price is definitely affordable and nothing outrageous, but I do feel that they should at least give an option to people who want and like Snow Leopard (people like me) more than Lion.

HarryPot
Oct 12, 2011, 09:17 PM
Well, I don't know anything for certain, but I think they want people to upgrade to Lion. I mean, the price is definitely affordable and nothing outrageous, but I do feel that they should at least give an option to people who want and like Snow Leopard (people like me) more than Lion.

The things is, many of us can't update to Lion. Because of hardware limitations.

AIP5
Oct 13, 2011, 01:33 PM
The things is, many of us can't update to Lion. Because of hardware limitations.

That's also true. I'm thinking this is just a waiting game... I do remember reading about a 10.6.9 update of some sort coming out for Snow Leopard users, but I'm not sure how it will work.

In the past, Apple has had to charge for features that it didn't advertise at the time of selling of those devices, but later added them. Included in that list is FaceTime (where non-Lion Macs had to pay $1 to get it). I can also remember iPod touch OS updates that cost $10. I'm really hoping this won't be the case with iCloud on SL.

That'll be one huge blemish on Apple for doing that.

BigDukeSix
Oct 13, 2011, 05:14 PM
I do understand that iCloud won't work with SL. So, I would assume that if I install iOS 5 on my CDMA iPhone 4, I would still need to update using USB?
Has anyone updated to iOS 5 and are still running SL? And, have you had any issues so far?
Thanks for the info.

ASakai
Oct 13, 2011, 05:28 PM
I'd love to hear some feedback as well.

I have Snow Leopard and are about to try the iOS 5 update again now that the servers may be calmer. I know I will lose out on some features of iOS 5. Rumor has it we SL users may get an update in the near future and support for iCloud, but I'm wondering how others with Snow Leopard are doing so far, too.

malias4
Oct 13, 2011, 05:32 PM
i stil have leopard 10.6.8 but on my iphone4 im on 4.3.3 and not planning to update soon. i d like to see though whats gonna happpen :p

class77
Oct 13, 2011, 05:51 PM
I have Snow Leopard 10.6.8 and I upgraded to iOS 5 last night on both my iPad and my iPhone. My transition took forever, but everything transfered with only a few scary moments. DON'T UNPLUG PREMATURELY!!! I am still using Mobile Me, so at least I have some of the sync functions that iCloud will provide.

I'm highly disappointed that Apple is supporting Vista for iCloud, but not my husband's 4 month old MBP without the upgrade to Lion. Doesn't seem right that they would better support Windows than they did their own operating system. I think if they were planning to allow Snow Leopard to use iCloud, I think we would have seen the upgrade already. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be supported and I'm not blown away with Lion, so I don't know what I'm going to do next June:mad:

blackNBUK
Oct 13, 2011, 06:28 PM
I do understand that iCloud won't work with SL. So, I would assume that if I install iOS 5 on my CDMA iPhone 4, I would still need to update using USB?
Has anyone updated to iOS 5 and are still running SL? And, have you had any issues so far?
Thanks for the info.

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you are asking but WiFi syncing between the latest iTunes on SL and my iPad seems to be working. At least it completes fine, I haven't tried moving any new songs, contacts or whatever over yet though.

BigDukeSix
Oct 13, 2011, 06:33 PM
Good info. Thanks for sharing. Yup, you would indeed think Apple would support SL if it is supporting Vista, that's for sure.

I am anxious to hear from anyone as to if wifi update will work, especially for iTunes, or not.

renewed
Oct 13, 2011, 06:39 PM
Just for the record I upgraded to Lion, however, before hand my iPhone 4 was wireless syncing with my iTunes on SL.

AIP5
Oct 13, 2011, 08:23 PM
Yup, everything is functional in terms of iOS 5 interacting with iTunes in Snow Leopard. But there's still a huge hole in the Apple festivities that many are indulging in: I have yet to setup a functional iCloud account that will truly tie in my Mac with my iPhone and as Apple wants, lower my computer's level to just another device I own.

Here's to hoping that Apple releases a 10.6.9 iCloud enabled Snow Leopard (free) update soon!

alleeL
Oct 30, 2011, 03:09 PM
I HIGHLY suggest everybody who's annoyed by lack of Snow Leopard support for iOS 5 complain now - or get used to it.

PLEASE DO Either or BOTH OF THE FOLLOWING:
complain at:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/


your iDevice(s)
AND /OR
your Computer
and MAYBE:
iCloud or MobileMe

Send Snail mail to Tim Cook at:
Tim Cook
Apple, Inc
1 Infinity Loop
Cupertino, California 95014

These days, snail mail more likely to get noticed than email (and was told that this is the best route by a cust. serv rep)

AGAIN: If you'd like iOS 5 support in Snow Leopard PLEASE Contact the People that make these decisions NOW.

I intend to also write a post here (and maybe elsewhere) explaining my reasons for being so annoyed - as food for thought...

alleeL
Oct 30, 2011, 03:36 PM
Personally, I'm absolutely furious about the lack of support for Snow Leopard in iOS 5.
Ironically: A simple solution would be to switch to Windows (heck a 5 year old Vista Laptop WILL do.).

In the past Apple has been quick to kill off "dated" technologies - but forcing folks to "Upgrade" to Lion (software that's only been out for a few months) just to keep their other devices current, is frankly ludicrous.

"in order to avoid obsolescence on an iDevice you've bought in the last 6 months : You might need to make your primary computer less useful."

The following is a rather lengthy rant. But the gist is: If this also makes you angry, you can whine futiliy here (as I have) Or do something that might actually provoke a change like submitting comments to:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Folks have many reasons not to run Lion. In fact, many of us who use computers for something other than email and web, can't even consider the change at this point. This is particularly an issue for those who use Macs for business since Lion is simply not fully compatible with many current programs.

For myself, I would need to spend close $2000 to upgrade programs in order to move to Lion - and from what I can tell, they won't even run particularly well at this stage. Just as annoying would be the loss of some programs which are frankly irreplaceable at this time.

This means that in order to avoid obsolescence on iDevices that I've bought in the last 6 months : I need to make my primary computer less useful. How can Apple not even deign to not fully support devices for a single year.

Since Feb 26 of 2011 I bought a $4400+ BTO MacPro, an iPad 2, and an Apple TV (gen 2) PLUS AppleCare on all... All, (plus 2 laptops and an older MacPro) had be syncing flawlessly - making my entire computer experience a delight. Now suddenly, the joy ride is over.


MINIMALLY I should expect these very new devices to at least provide the same (or better) functionality as when I purchased them, the demise of MobileMe is bad enough (as separate rant on this later) for a year or two. But, expecting me to make my primary computer semi-functional on barely out-of-gate system software, just so I can reap the "rewards" of keeping my iDevices up to date, is patently absurd.

I imagine there are many others in the same boat, that unable to upgrade to Lion, will not make the move to iOS 5 in the near future. Which could lead to the same version mess that exists in the Android world.

I bought the iPad and ATV 2 with promises of a more developed AirPlay, something I will not get to experience. In the near future, I anticipate not being able to upgrade or purchase new Apps.

Thus My sudden recent interest in purchasing an iPhone has dulled. My intent to purchase an iPad for my friend's autistic son is on the back burner

Please forgive how poorly this is written - As one who's loved/grown dependent on my many, Apple products, I'm so bummed I can't think straight.

colbertnation
Nov 1, 2011, 03:03 PM
Folks, I was talking to a cousin of mine who works in Cupertino (in iPad software). Now, I'll disclose this right away: he himself doesn't know the facts since he's under iPad, but having talked to other software engineers on Apple's campus, he says it's unlikely SL will ever get iCloud.

The reason is that for iCloud to work with full functionality as in Lion, Apple would have to rewrite large amounts of code. It's not "as simple as changing a few lines in iCal to have it update with iCloud," he said. On top of that, the Find My Mac application, Documents/Data, Contacts, etc, all require changing fundamental code. That change was done and included in Lion from the very beginning of 10.7; the 10.7.2 update was nothing more than a "flip-switch" to "switch-on" the functionality that was already embedded. As a result, he says that it's unlikely that SL will ever see a "10.6.9" version that "switches-on" iCloud, since the reworking of the fundamental coding would be so big, my cousin joked, that they might as well release it as 10.8.

When I asked him why Apple wouldn't do that, he said that they obviously want to. But rewriting fundamental code changes the OS, and changing the OS can lead to a plethora of consequences and eventualities that they have to test out and iron out. He reiterated then, that it's not as easy as a "flip-switch... it's a really big change."

But, I'm still hoping that Apple releases an iCloud enabled SL. They really have to, and with $80 billion, I don't see any reason why Apple can't spend its money and resources in rewriting that code and bringing iCloud to SL.


*Disclaimer: Don't worry, he won't be fired or anything; he told me it's safe to write this as he isn't involved with OS X...

BigDukeSix
Nov 1, 2011, 03:30 PM
Folks, I was talking to a cousin of mine who works in Cupertino (in iPad software). Now, I'll disclose this right away: he himself doesn't know the facts since he's under iPad, but having talked to other software engineers on Apple's campus, he says it's unlikely SL will ever get iCloud.

The reason is that for iCloud to work with full functionality as in Lion, Apple would have to rewrite large amounts of code. It's not "as simple as changing a few lines in iCal to have it update with iCloud," he said. On top of that, the Find My Mac application, Documents/Data, Contacts, etc, all require changing fundamental code. That change was done and included in Lion from the very beginning of 10.7; the 10.7.2 update was nothing more than a "flip-switch" to "switch-on" the functionality that was already embedded. As a result, he says that it's unlikely that SL will ever see a "10.6.9" version that "switches-on" iCloud, since the reworking of the fundamental coding would be so big, my cousin joked, that they might as well release it as 10.8.

When I asked him why Apple wouldn't do that, he said that they obviously want to. But rewriting fundamental code changes the OS, and changing the OS can lead to a plethora of consequences and eventualities that they have to test out and iron out. He reiterated then, that it's not as easy as a "flip-switch... it's a really big change."

But, I'm still hoping that Apple releases an iCloud enabled SL. They really have to, and with $80 billion, I don't see any reason why Apple can't spend its money and resources in rewriting that code and bringing iCloud to SL.


*Disclaimer: Don't worry, he won't be fired or anything; he told me it's safe to write this as he isn't involved with OS X...

Cool info. Thanks for sharing!!

AIP5
Nov 1, 2011, 08:27 PM
Folks, I was talking to a cousin of mine who works in Cupertino (in iPad software). Now, I'll disclose this right away: he himself doesn't know the facts since he's under iPad, but having talked to other software engineers on Apple's campus, he says it's unlikely SL will ever get iCloud.

Hmm... that's interesting. Well, I updated to Lion a week ago, and I must say that I like it so far. Except for Expose... that I kinda miss from Snow Leopard.

Here's to hoping Apple does give Snow Leopard iCloud support!

McKs
Jan 18, 2012, 01:09 PM
Hmm... that's interesting. Well, I updated to Lion a week ago, and I must say that I like it so far. Except for Expose... that I kinda miss from Snow Leopard.

Here's to hoping Apple does give Snow Leopard iCloud support!

I tried, I really did. But I cannot disable enough of the automated stuff in Lion. My main issues is the autosave and versions stuff I just find incredibly annoying, the far less useful expose, and some of the redefined gestures were just plain awkward.

So I went back to 10.6.8. Of course, now I can't downgrade to iCloud, though that'll be taken care off after the summer anyway...

But what I truly find almost offensive, is that my neighbor just signed up for iCloud on his 5 year old Vista dinosaur...

bad Apple, bad...:eek:

adnbek
Jan 18, 2012, 06:12 PM
Folks, I was talking to a cousin of mine who works in Cupertino (in iPad software). Now, I'll disclose this right away: he himself doesn't know the facts since he's under iPad, but having talked to other software engineers on Apple's campus, he says it's unlikely SL will ever get iCloud.

The reason is that for iCloud to work with full functionality as in Lion, Apple would have to rewrite large amounts of code. It's not "as simple as changing a few lines in iCal to have it update with iCloud," he said. On top of that, the Find My Mac application, Documents/Data, Contacts, etc, all require changing fundamental code. That change was done and included in Lion from the very beginning of 10.7; the 10.7.2 update was nothing more than a "flip-switch" to "switch-on" the functionality that was already embedded. As a result, he says that it's unlikely that SL will ever see a "10.6.9" version that "switches-on" iCloud, since the reworking of the fundamental coding would be so big, my cousin joked, that they might as well release it as 10.8.

When I asked him why Apple wouldn't do that, he said that they obviously want to. But rewriting fundamental code changes the OS, and changing the OS can lead to a plethora of consequences and eventualities that they have to test out and iron out. He reiterated then, that it's not as easy as a "flip-switch... it's a really big change."

But, I'm still hoping that Apple releases an iCloud enabled SL. They really have to, and with $80 billion, I don't see any reason why Apple can't spend its money and resources in rewriting that code and bringing iCloud to SL.


*Disclaimer: Don't worry, he won't be fired or anything; he told me it's safe to write this as he isn't involved with OS X...

Perhaps you're right about the "Find my mac" function but the rest is BS. If they can create a stand-alone app to allow iCloud to work on Windows, they surely can update SL to do the same.

Unless you're telling me iCloud code is embedded in Windows! :rolleyes:

Gabriel465
May 20, 2012, 02:03 PM
I do understand that iCloud won't work with SL. So, I would assume that if I install iOS 5 on my CDMA iPhone 4, I would still need to update using USB?
Has anyone updated to iOS 5 and are still running SL? And, have you had any issues so far?
Thanks for the info.

Try this link for SL settings for iCloud. Hope this helps.

http://www.wilmut.webspace.virginmedia.com/notes/icloudmail.html

Here is my dilemma... I had a Mobile Me account and was forced over to iCloud in the middle of moving therefor my iMac was not accessible for updating. My iPhones went well and running 5.1.1 with the iCloud services. My problem is that my iMac is running Snow Leopard and thus doesn't support iCloud. My only holdback/problem there is trying to access my email using the "Mail" client on the iMac. I have no problems with my other email accounts, but the mobile me "@me.com" email is giving me FITS. Finally it came up on the iMac, however I can't access any of the contents due to a "password" error. I've changed the password 3 times so far (not a fan of apples no reuse policy) and other than the headache of modifying the PW on all my devices, still nothing on the iMac. I have no problems accessing that email account on the other iDevices, just no go on the iMac. I'm tempted to jump up to Lion as Mountian Lion does perk my interest, but not a fan of all the bugs in Lion while still loving Snow Leopard. For comparison only can someone post the benefits/perks of Lion over Snow Leopard and/or the reverse? Pros and cons for each OS would be great if the users don't mind. I greatly appreciate any and all info/advice/tips y'all willing to share. I prefer to hear from "our own people" over the Office folks. Thanks in advance and Mahalo nui loa..

Jagardn
May 20, 2012, 10:21 PM
But, I'm still hoping that Apple releases an iCloud enabled SL. They really have to, and with $80 billion, I don't see any reason why Apple can't spend its money and resources in rewriting that code and bringing iCloud to SL.

They don't have to do anything.


Perhaps you're right about the "Find my mac" function but the rest is BS. If they can create a stand-alone app to allow iCloud to work on Windows, they surely can update SL to do the same.

Unless you're telling me iCloud code is embedded in Windows! :rolleyes:

They could write a stand alone app like they did for Windows, it still wouldn't work with iCal for SL. Still not that simple.