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ipure
Oct 12, 2011, 02:03 PM
it's just a software, iphone 4 hardwares can definitely support it. instead, apple decides to make this feature iphone4s exclusive... way to milk moar $$$



soco
Oct 12, 2011, 02:04 PM
The news, it has broken.

The Californian
Oct 12, 2011, 02:05 PM
I think I may have heard whispers of this before.

Nioxic
Oct 12, 2011, 02:05 PM
The editing of photos like they show in the iphone 4S video isn't in either, which is just even more weird, imo.

(or maybe i just missed it completely)

nfl46
Oct 12, 2011, 02:06 PM
How do you know the hardware supports it? Are you CERTAIN it doesn't need the A5 chip?

oliversl
Oct 12, 2011, 02:06 PM
Maybe after the beta period Siri will be available to all iOS5. Also, the ifixit teardown would reveal if there is a chip for Siri.

ru4real
Oct 12, 2011, 02:07 PM
How do you know the hardware supports it? Are you CERTAIN it doesn't need the A5 chip?

Because people with iPhone 4's were rocking SIRI until Apple took it over and announced it would be for iPhone 4S only. Now people who used to have it don't.

jwingfie
Oct 12, 2011, 02:08 PM
Say it ain't so!!!

:D

USMCWifey07
Oct 12, 2011, 02:10 PM
yes that is correct!!! siri is exclusively for the iPhone 4s, how else do you think they would get people to upgrade

coltman75
Oct 12, 2011, 02:10 PM
Because people with iPhone 4's were rocking SIRI until Apple took it over and announced it would be for iPhone 4S only. Now people who used to have it don't.

No. It wasn't. Not at all. The Siri app and iPhone 4S Siri are entirely different. App Siri just did internet searches for things. iPhone 4S Siri actually interacts with the phone's apps. Sometimes multiple apps at once. (for instance, if you get a text message with a time and data in it, Siri will read the message and then check your calendar to see if you're free.)

The Siri app was a baby version of what we see in iPhone 4S.

Noisemaker
Oct 12, 2011, 02:11 PM
it's just a software, iphone 4 hardwares can definitely support it. instead, apple decides to make this feature iphone4s exclusive... way to milk moar $$$

This has been known since the keynote.

And it's also well known that just "working" isn't good enough for Apple. It has to work *perfectly*. And for them to get perfection with Siri, it requires the iPhone 4S.

ipure
Oct 12, 2011, 02:12 PM
Because people with iPhone 4's were rocking SIRI until Apple took it over and announced it would be for iPhone 4S only. Now people who used to have it don't.

ya it's pretty f'ed up, now my old Siri says it will terminate on this friday...
so not only we don't get the new one, they also take away the old one.

nfl46
Oct 12, 2011, 02:14 PM
Because people with iPhone 4's were rocking SIRI until Apple took it over and announced it would be for iPhone 4S only. Now people who used to have it don't.

So, you telling me that Siri was that deeply implemented into iOS 4? We knew of the application that was in the App Store. That is like a lite version compared to the iOS 5 one.

ipure
Oct 12, 2011, 02:17 PM
This has been known since the keynote.

And it's also well known that just "working" isn't good enough for Apple. It has to work *perfectly*. And for them to get perfection with Siri, it requires the iPhone 4S.

wait, you actually bought that crap?
you know only difference as far as Siri is concerned is that iphone4s comes with a faster processor right? but the truth is Siri doesn't need that much processing power to work "perfectly." without going into much software engineering technicality, i can assure you it would work very fine and smoothly with A4 processor.

Jibbajabba
Oct 12, 2011, 02:20 PM
wait, you actually bought that crap?
you know only difference as far as Siri is concerned is that iphone4s comes with a faster processor right? but the truth is Siri doesn't need that much processing power to work "perfectly." without going into much software engineering technicality, i can assure you it would work very fine and smoothly with A4 processor.

People said the same about ios4 on the original 3G which effectively turned it into an iBrick.

samcraig
Oct 12, 2011, 02:21 PM
wait, you actually bought that crap?
you know only difference as far as Siri is concerned is that iphone4s comes with a faster processor right? but the truth is Siri doesn't need that much processing power to work "perfectly." without going into much software engineering technicality, i can assure you it would work very fine and smoothly with A4 processor.

The heavy lifting for Siri is done on the server side - which is why it needs an internet connection.

KGWVU
Oct 12, 2011, 02:22 PM
it's just a software, iphone 4 hardwares can definitely support it. instead, apple decides to make this feature iphone4s exclusive... way to milk moar $$$

First I have heard of it. Can anybody confirm??

:rolleyes:

JRoDDz
Oct 12, 2011, 02:23 PM
it's just a software, iphone 4 hardwares can definitely support it. instead, apple decides to make this feature iphone4s exclusive... way to milk moar $$$

Thank you Captain Obvious.

mcarthon
Oct 12, 2011, 02:23 PM
I'm thinking there will be a way to activate it through jailbreak when available.

admanimal
Oct 12, 2011, 02:25 PM
Maybe after the beta period Siri will be available to all iOS5. Also, the ifixit teardown would reveal if there is a chip for Siri.

There is no chip for Siri.

AlphaVictor87
Oct 12, 2011, 02:26 PM
The editing of photos like they show in the iphone 4S video isn't in either, which is just even more weird, imo.

(or maybe i just missed it completely)


You missed it. i have a 3gs and i can edit photos

MCKENNATECH
Oct 12, 2011, 02:28 PM
If you owned the company, you'd do the exact same thing. I'm tired of people complaining about things not being available on past iPhones. This is how business works, and yes Siri is capable of working on iPhone 4 but without the speedy chips it wouldn't be as efficient. AND YES, they also don't mind that people will buy the 4s simply for that. Stop complaining

szolr
Oct 12, 2011, 02:36 PM
it's just a software, iphone 4 hardwares can definitely support it.

And you personally know that do you? I suppose you're one of the people who once insisted multitasking would work on the iPhone 3G. Look at the tech specs for the 4 and the 4S. Observe the processor difference.

Your logic is like saying Final Cut Pro will work on an old iBook with 512 MB of RAM...

instead, apple decides to make this feature iphone4s exclusive... way to milk moar $$$

And can you blame them? Apple didn't become one of the richest companies in the world by giving out their innovations for free!!

If you want it that much get an iPhone 4S. Hell, I hate it how people expect all the latest features to come to a 16 month old phone. You want the camera to magically upgrade to 8 megapixels as well? :rolleyes:

bryanc87
Oct 12, 2011, 02:37 PM
Sell yur ip4 and pay the extra 100 dollars or so and you have bought an ip4s without paying full price wooo

mikethebigo
Oct 12, 2011, 02:38 PM
Okay guys, take a deep breath.

1. Yeah, Apple wants you to buy stuff. Are you actually surprised?

2. I've read that a large part of Siri's processing occurs in one of the two cores of the A5's PowerVR GPU. If this is the case, Siri would never be compatible with iPhone 4.

ipure
Oct 12, 2011, 02:43 PM
If you owned the company, you'd do the exact same thing. I'm tired of people complaining about things not being available on past iPhones. This is how business works, and yes Siri is capable of working on iPhone 4 but without the speedy chips it wouldn't be as efficient. AND YES, they also don't mind that people will buy the 4s simply for that. Stop complaining

we are customers, and customers are god. if the product has a problem, we have every right to speak up.

i grow tired of you justifying it because it benefits apple as a corporation by doing this. of course in their position they want to make more money, but that doesn't change the fact that this act is BAD for customers. and guess what? you ,me, and 99% of the people are customers, and we don't like getting f'ed in the butt.

mikethebigo
Oct 12, 2011, 02:47 PM
we are customers, and customers are god. if the product has a problem, we have every right to speak up.

i grow tired of you justifying it because it benefits apple as a corporation by doing this. of course in their position they want to make more money, but that doesn't change the fact that this act is BAD for customers. and guess what? you ,me, and 99% of the people are customers, and we don't like getting f'ed in the butt.

How the **** are you getting f'ed in the butt? Apple never promised you Siri. Your phone does everything it did when you bought it, plus much more. You want a new feature that's exclusive to a new phone? Quit whining and buy the phone.

Talk about #firstworldproblems.

ipure
Oct 12, 2011, 02:54 PM
Your logic is like saying Final Cut Pro will work on an old iBook with 512 MB of RAM...


except your analogy isn't quite right here. keep in mind that this Siri doesn't consume that much processing power like Final Cut Pro, neither does it need much ram for that matter.

underlying reason is that Siri does heavy lifting on the server side. your iphone at most only needs to translate your voice into text before querying server with that text string in order to get response back. and voice2text as we know can run just fine on iphone4 because old Siri already does it on iphone4.

anyways.... give it some time, i bet some hackers will make Siri available on iphone4 and you will be surprised how well it runs on iphone4

Noisemaker
Oct 12, 2011, 03:16 PM
wait, you actually bought that crap?
you know only difference as far as Siri is concerned is that iphone4s comes with a faster processor right? but the truth is Siri doesn't need that much processing power to work "perfectly." without going into much software engineering technicality, i can assure you it would work very fine and smoothly with A4 processor.

Actually, why don't you bring up the engineering technicalities? Being a developer for Apple, as well as knowing the hardware of all iOS devices and contributing largely to the development of iOS 5, I guarantee that I'll not only be able to understand the "software engineering technicalities" that you'll undoubtedly sputter out in poor grammar, but I'll also be able to tell you exactly how wrong you are. :)

The 4S does new things, like any new device does. Since it's clear your daddy won't buy you one, maybe you should consider spending less time acting like a toddler on the internet and get a job to buy yourself the nice things that you want.

ipure
Oct 12, 2011, 03:22 PM
Actually, why don't you bring up the engineering technicalities? Being a fanboy for Apple, blah blah blah tl dr

I already briefly explained what it takes for Siri to work on an iphone in a previous post. Why don't you read that first, then enlighten us why iphone4 can't handle Siri?

blondepianist
Oct 12, 2011, 03:31 PM
underlying reason is that Siri does heavy lifting on the server side.

As far as know, Siri does only the voice-to-text processing on the server side. I think you're underestimating the computational expense of natural language processing... if it takes 30 seconds on the dual-core A5, it would take about a minute on the single-core A4, and how many people do you think would stand for that?

I am curious to see exactly how it performs on an A4, but until it can be confirmed otherwise, Apple's claim sounds reasonable.

Plus, those who want similar functionality to the old app can download Dragon Go.

moetownslick
Oct 12, 2011, 03:35 PM
without going into much software engineering technicality, i can assure you it would work very fine and smoothly with A4 processor.

Call me crazy, but i'd actually like you to go into "much software engineering technicality" and explain it to the rest of us.

Gatteau
Oct 12, 2011, 03:39 PM
Siri-ously, now?

cjmillsnun
Oct 12, 2011, 03:42 PM
The editing of photos like they show in the iphone 4S video isn't in either, which is just even more weird, imo.

(or maybe i just missed it completely)

You just missed it.

yanki01
Oct 12, 2011, 03:44 PM
news to me, thanks CNN

LoganT
Oct 12, 2011, 03:47 PM
Your phone does everything it did when you bought it, plus much more

I agree that no one should be surprised that Apple didn't put Siri in iOS 5 for iPhone 4 users.

But technically the bit about "does everything it did when when you bought it" isn't true. Users who had an iPhone 2G/3G/3GS/4 could run the Siri application from the App Store and now they can't.

Noisemaker
Oct 12, 2011, 03:49 PM
I already briefly explained what it takes for Siri to work on an iphone in a previous post. Why don't you read that first, then enlighten us why iphone4 can't handle Siri?

Shocker. Somehow I knew you wouldn't be able to nut up to that challenge. And lashing out like that? You must be even younger than I thought. :rolleyes:

The iPhone 4 might handle Siri. But, between the slower network connection speed and the lack of the faster, more advanced processor, the user experience wouldn't be the same as it is on the 4S. For the normal user, they want to be able to talk to Siri and have it respond instantly. For that, the 4S is required, as the iPhone 4 can't provide instant results due to the slower processor and slower connection.

Converting speech to text takes processing power. Taking control of other apps in the OS takes processing power. Sending information to the server takes processing power and connection speed. Interpreting orders from the server takes processing power and connection speed.

You're using the Siri app as a basis, and that's simply idiotic. The Siri App is a gimmick. A proof of concept. It holds no bearing on the Siri that's built into iOS for the 4S. The name might be the same, but the core functionality is nowhere near the same.

Call me a fanboy all you want. I'm still right, you're still wrong, and you literally can't do anything about it. Apple won't release Siri for the iPhone 4. You can whine all you want, but you will never get your way. In the end, I'll enjoy being on the correct side, and Siri and I will have a good chuckle at your expense.

:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:

ipure
Oct 12, 2011, 03:53 PM
Call me crazy, but i'd actually like you to go into "much software engineering technicality" and explain it to the rest of us.

sure, i don't work for apple, but i can roughly guess what's Siri architecture is.

in the most simplified model, siri will do the following:

1. convert voice to text (done on iphone4 locally)
2. send text to apple's server which can process this text (also known as natural language). believe or not this part cannot be done on iphone due to the computational power and resources it needs. (read up on NLP you will understand why)
3. server sends back a string that your iphone can understand so it can perform tasks such as set your alarm at 3am or tell your wife you are cheating on her.

so like i said before, apple uses a lot of servers for this, and they are fully distributed with load balancers, and also probably cache a lot of commonly queried natural languages to save computational power.

another observation is that, iphone4 runs old Siri very very capably, and the new Siri is just an updated version that's integrated with iPhone4s, it does have slightly more functionality but the computational resource requirement doesn't change that much. that's why i said, if old Siri can run on iphone4, new Siri should be able too.

applesith
Oct 12, 2011, 04:00 PM
but i can roughly guess what's Siri architecture is.

Bye.

Noisemaker
Oct 12, 2011, 04:05 PM
sure, i don't work for apple, but i can roughly guess what's Siri architecture is.

in the most simplified model, siri will do the following:

1. convert voice to text (done on iphone4 locally)
2. send text to apple's server which can process this text (also known as natural language). believe or not this part cannot be done on iphone due to the computational power and resources it needs. (read up on NLP you will understand why)
3. server sends back a string that your iphone can understand so it can perform tasks such as set your alarm at 3am or tell your wife you are cheating on her.

so like i said before, apple uses a lot of servers for this, and they are fully distributed with load balancers, and also probably cache a lot of commonly queried natural languages to save computational power.

another observation is that, iphone4 runs old Siri very very capably, and the new Siri is just an updated version that's integrated with iPhone4s, it does have slightly more functionality but the computational resource requirement doesn't change that much. that's why i said, if old Siri can run on iphone4, new Siri should be able too.

I love that this is your idea of "software engineering technicality." :rolleyes:

What it comes down to is that you have no idea how it really works, so you're going to just guess, but you'll ensure that your guess fits in with your argument which is already totally invalid as Apple has already shown that the iPhone 4 isn't getting Siri.

You see, I get the satisfaction of pointing out how painfully wrong you are with every post. You, on the other hand, keep posting, keep getting proved wrong by multiple users, and keep wasting your own time, despite knowing that you'll never get your way.

Do you also pass time by yelling "MOVE!" at brick walls and/or broken down vehicles?

bartzilla
Oct 12, 2011, 04:12 PM
I already briefly explained what it takes for Siri to work on an iphone in a previous post. Why don't you read that first, then enlighten us why iphone4 can't handle Siri?

Actually, just for future reference, going "waah waah waah it ought to work on my old iphone because I can't see any difference between the new app and the
old app, so I'm going to assume there isn't any" isn't the same as a technical explanation of how an application behaves.

sakau2007
Oct 12, 2011, 04:13 PM
To those of you jumping down our throats that we are miffed we don't get siri on iphone 4, consider this:

We had siri on iphone4 a year ago. I'm not complaining that I don't get the new and improved siri, but the fact they took away an app that was working fine for me makes me mad.

So actually yes they did remove functionality.

To those who don't know about it and are not upgrading to 4s, try the free app vlingo.

To the ppl who still dont get why we are upset: imagine if the new fb app coincided with ios5/4s but to get it, you had to upgrade to the 4s. Would be annoying. Now what if you learned that your old facebook app would be killed off with the introduction of the new app (which you can't use unless you get a new phone). This is what apple has essentially done.

bartzilla
Oct 12, 2011, 04:22 PM
To those of you jumping down our throats that we are miffed we don't get siri on iphone 4, consider this:

We had siri on iphone4 a year ago. I'm not complaining that I don't get the new and improved siri, but the fact they took away an app that was working fine for me makes me mad.

So actually yes they did remove functionality.

To those who don't know about it and are not upgrading to 4s, try the free app vlingo.

To the ppl who still dont get why we are upset: imagine if the new fb app coincided with ios5/4s but to get it, you had to upgrade to the 4s. Would be annoying. Now what if you learned that your old facebook app would be killed off with the introduction of the new app (which you can't use unless you get a new phone). This is what apple has essentially done.

I don't think anyone is "jumping down anyone's throat" for being upset that the old siri has gone. I think a few of us are enjoying watching one person with little or no knowledge about software development assume that the new siri app will run on old hardware because it shares the same name as the old hardware. That's a bit like assuming that OSX 10.7 ought to run one of those funky coloured imacs from 1998 because they've got the same product name as the current 27" behemoths.

Noisemaker
Oct 12, 2011, 04:25 PM
To those of you jumping down our throats that we are miffed we don't get siri on iphone 4, consider this:

We had siri on iphone4 a year ago. I'm not complaining that I don't get the new and improved siri, but the fact they took away an app that was working fine for me makes me mad.

So actually yes they did remove functionality.

To those who don't know about it and are not upgrading to 4s, try the free app vlingo.

To the ppl who still dont get why we are upset: imagine if the new fb app coincided with ios5/4s but to get it, you had to upgrade to the 4s. Would be annoying. Now what if you learned that your old facebook app would be killed off with the introduction of the new app (which you can't use unless you get a new phone). This is what apple has essentially done.

That would make sense if Siri on the 4S was the same as the app Siri that people are whining about, but it's not. Siri on the 4S is beyond anything the Siri app could do.

Apple bought Siri, and absorbed the company. They're not going to keep Siri's old servers and systems up and running so that the few people that will actually care about the free Siri app can keep using it's rudimentary functions.

sakau2007
Oct 12, 2011, 04:26 PM
I don't think anyone is "jumping down anyone's throat" for being upset that the old siri has gone. I think a few of us are enjoying watching one person with little or no knowledge about software development assume that the new siri app will run on old hardware because it shares the same name as the old hardware. That's a bit like assuming that OSX 10.7 ought to run one of those funky coloured imacs from 1998 because they've got the same product name as the current 27" behemoths.

But why take away our old siri? And fwiw, id be surprised if iphone 4s couldnt handle the new siri given how well the old siri and vlingo worked. But im just really pointing out apple is screwing iphone4 users by taking away old siri.

mikethebigo
Oct 12, 2011, 04:44 PM
But why take away our old siri? And fwiw, id be surprised if iphone 4s couldnt handle the new siri given how well the old siri and vlingo worked. But im just really pointing out apple is screwing iphone4 users by taking away old siri.

The original Siri developer himself said for the Siri app they had to make a lot of shortcuts and optimizations for it to work on the hardware available at the time. Now that it's even more advanced than before, it's very reasonable to assume it requires more processing speed.

Also, like I said before, reports are that parts of Siri's program currently process in the GPU that's in the A5, but not the A4.

As for removing the old app, like someone else said, why would Apple continue to support the older version and all of the old Siri servers and technology. Apple never hangs on to the old when the new comes out, it's a Steve Jobs philosophy.

Finally, duh, of course they want you to buy a new phone. Again, are you surprised? Go get an Android if you don't like it.

bartzilla
Oct 12, 2011, 04:45 PM
But why take away our old siri? And fwiw, id be surprised if iphone 4s couldnt handle the new siri given how well the old siri and vlingo worked.

Why take away the old Siri? I actually think that one's easy: Apple are fanatical about controlling lots of things, including their image and user experience. If someone heard that the new siri was fantastic and then tried the old siri and was less than impressed then that represents a problem for Apple.

And you are, with the greatest of respect, making a lot of assumptions about the difference between new siri and old siri when you assume that the 'old' iphone 4 could handle the new siri. As perhaps are others who assume it would work ok - none of us have tested this so we simply don't know do we?

Maybe it can and Apple are being evil by not letting you run it (this argument perhaps supported by it not being on the ipad 2 either) or maybe there are firm technical reasons for the decision.

But im just really pointing out apple is screwing iphone4 users by taking away old siri.

I really do sympathise with why you feel let down, I've had products I've actually worked on get cut before I felt it was needed and that broke my heart... but as for "screwing iPhone4 users"...? They would be if you had paid for the siri software, but I believe it was a free app.

Fliesen
Oct 12, 2011, 04:50 PM
Siri, as for now, is in 'beta'
maybe, so are its servers.

have you seen what the avalanche of iOS 4 users upgrading to iOS 5 has done to Apple's servers?
now imagine people unboxing their perfectly new iPhone 4S, wanting to try out siri, having it perform CRAPPILY because of all the iPad and iPhone 4 users practically DDoSing the Siri servers.

I seriously believe it will be limited to iPhone 4S for a limited time only.

sakau2007
Oct 12, 2011, 04:59 PM
Actually the full version of the old siri was initially a 10 dollarpurchase.

QuarterSwede
Oct 12, 2011, 05:14 PM
The original Siri developer himself said for the Siri app they had to make a lot of shortcuts and optimizations for it to work on the hardware available at the time. Now that it's even more advanced than before, it's very reasonable to assume it requires more processing speed.

Also, like I said before, reports are that parts of Siri's program currently process in the GPU that's in the A5, but not the A4.
This is absolutely correct. Finally a voice of reason.

sakau2007
Oct 12, 2011, 05:30 PM
This is absolutely correct. Finally a voice of reason.

Doesn't ipad 2 have the a5?

RafaelT
Oct 12, 2011, 05:33 PM
We had siri on iphone4 a year ago. I'm not complaining that I don't get the new and improved siri, but the fact they took away an app that was working fine for me makes me mad.

So actually yes they did remove functionality.

Removing an App from the App store is NOT removing functionality. Apple nor the developers who put the Apps in the store make any guarantee of how long they will be available for. Removing functionality is removing a feature from the OS.

When Apple sold you the phone it had XYZ features on the phone. You phone now has ABC and XYZ features on the phone so really you should be happy that Apple is so good about adding new features to old devices.

Nobody responding to this thread has the knowledge of the inner workings of Siri, stating that it would work fine on an iPhone 4 is just ignorant, especially given the statements of the original Siri dev who stated they had to take a ton of shortcuts just to get it to function on the 4. Apple has massively overhauled Siri's capabilities and may very well not be able to find shortcuts for everything to make it work.

As for the old Siri app... Why should Apple continue to maintain an old App when they have replaced it with a better system? It costs them money to keep the old Siri going.

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Doesn't ipad 2 have the a5?

Who is to say we won't see it on the iPad eventually?

The main problem though is that while phones almost always have a data connection, which Siri requires, iPads often do not.

pezasied182
Oct 12, 2011, 05:51 PM
I'm sure if Siri isn't reliant on any specific hardware, the JB community will get it to work on the 4. I doubt it will work as seamlessly though. I don't get why people are so mad about it. I really hope it isn't compatible with the 4 for hardware reasons so people would stop complaining.

Pink∆Floyd
Oct 12, 2011, 05:54 PM
Okay guys, take a deep breath.

1. Yeah, Apple wants you to buy stuff. Are you actually surprised?

2. I've read that a large part of Siri's processing occurs in one of the two cores of the A5's PowerVR GPU. If this is the case, Siri would never be compatible with iPhone 4.

False.

Hackers will find a way to implemented on iPhone 4, it'll be on Cydia in a couple of weeks

Stewie
Oct 12, 2011, 06:01 PM
I am shocked. This is an outrage. Why didn't they tell us about this before. Oh wait......

RafaelT
Oct 12, 2011, 06:09 PM
False.

Hackers will find a way to implemented on iPhone 4, it'll be on Cydia in a couple of weeks

Maybe, but I bet it won't run well enough for an Apple quality release.

DarwinOSX
Oct 12, 2011, 06:16 PM
No. That was Siri when Apple bought it several years ago. The Siri used now is vastly different and more capable software with the same name. It's really a combination of the old Siri and Dragon dictation plus Wolfram Alpha and some other things.

The day Apple announced the 4s they said Siri would only work on the 4s. This is not news and it is not surprising. This sort of thing requires a lot of cpu power.

Because people with iPhone 4's were rocking SIRI until Apple took it over and announced it would be for iPhone 4S only. Now people who used to have it don't.

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I seriously doubt that and if they do it will run like c**p on a slower single core proc plus bog everything else down.

False.

Hackers will find a way to implemented on iPhone 4, it'll be on Cydia in a couple of weeks

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I was with you until you said this is why Siri is not on the 4.

Siri, as for now, is in 'beta'
maybe, so are its servers.

have you seen what the avalanche of iOS 4 users upgrading to iOS 5 has done to Apple's servers?
now imagine people unboxing their perfectly new iPhone 4S, wanting to try out siri, having it perform CRAPPILY because of all the iPad and iPhone 4 users practically DDoSing the Siri servers.

I seriously believe it will be limited to iPhone 4S for a limited time only.

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You are wrong.
Oh it "only" needs to translate voice to text. Natural voice, not keywords, with hooks to multiple apps which nothing else does.
But of course it does more than that on your phone. The servers don't do everything.
You are pretty desperate to prove your conspiracy theory when you resort to just making things up.

except your analogy isn't quite right here. keep in mind that this Siri doesn't consume that much processing power like Final Cut Pro, neither does it need much ram for that matter.

underlying reason is that Siri does heavy lifting on the server side. your iphone at most only needs to translate your voice into text before querying server with that text string in order to get response back. and voice2text as we know can run just fine on iphone4 because old Siri already does it on iphone4.

anyways.... give it some time, i bet some hackers will make Siri available on iphone4 and you will be surprised how well it runs on iphone4

Emilio G
Oct 12, 2011, 06:39 PM
uhm...it's only on the iPhone 4S...end of story?

john91
Oct 12, 2011, 06:45 PM
http://craigswinejourney.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/128847344485080355.jpg

Zssammie
Oct 12, 2011, 06:49 PM
The editing of photos like they show in the iphone 4S video isn't in either, which is just even more weird, imo.

(or maybe i just missed it completely)

I can on mine and I have an iPhone 4.:D

ZebraineZ
Oct 12, 2011, 06:51 PM
As far as know, Siri does only the voice-to-text processing on the server side. I think you're underestimating the computational expense of natural language processing... if it takes 30 seconds on the dual-core A5, it would take about a minute on the single-core A4, and how many people do you think would stand for that?

I am curious to see exactly how it performs on an A4, but until it can be confirmed otherwise, Apple's claim sounds reasonable.

Plus, those who want similar functionality to the old app can download Dragon Go.

It's not just voice to text. The thing literally interacts with a ton of stuff with the phone, that stuff doesn't just get sent to the cloud for processing, it needs to be done on the phone itself with the phone's own software. The part of understanding what you're saying, is the part the cloud handles, but actually sending it back and putting it into effect, is a whole other aspect that I think only the 4S was designed to handle, and even as fast as it seems it still isn't perfect.

lighthouse_man
Oct 12, 2011, 06:56 PM
uhm...it's only on the iPhone 4S...end of story?

Yes. iPhone 4s has a different firmware of iOS 5 than iPhone 4.

sakau2007
Oct 13, 2011, 01:43 AM
I've been impressed with the free app Vlingo. For all those people who are saying that Siri is so improved that it wouldn't work on iPhone 4... give it a rest. Very few (none?) of you have iPhone 4S's to verify just how well it functions and how it all interacts.

What I can say is Vlingo interacts with facebook, twitter, the maps app, text messaging, and other things and does it very well... and I've seen it all work very well on a 3GS and 4 (not sure of hardware differences between the 3GS and 4).

I think some people on this forum will defend Apple regardless of what they do. Let's face it, they don't get it all right all the time. MobileMe ring a bell? How about that revolutionary antenna they put on the iPhone 4 that left them with egg on their faces?

Given from what I've seen Vlingo do on a 3GS, I have a very, very hard time believing that Siri or a jailbroken Siri won't be able to run on a 4 (and maybe even 3GS).

szolr
Oct 13, 2011, 02:11 PM
anyways.... give it some time, i bet some hackers will make Siri available on iphone4 and you will be surprised how well it runs on iphone4

We already have. Keep up! It runs OK, but we can't compare with the 4S yet can we? ;)

soberbrain
Oct 13, 2011, 02:24 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

Hate to break it to the OP that iOS 5 doesn't carry Apple TV mirroring for iPhone 4.