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Razeus
Oct 12, 2011, 05:35 PM
Photostream and Backup need serious work. Can't delete photos from my photostream? Got to manually save to my Camera Roll to keep them. Camera Roll SHOULD BE THE PHOTOSTREAM and function just as the Camera Roll always always, meaning deleting photos I don't want or accidentally snapped.

This is a mess. Again.



Eddy Munn
Oct 12, 2011, 05:39 PM
You can delete your photos from Photo Stream.

ToxicMan
Oct 12, 2011, 09:53 PM
You can delete your photos from Photo Stream.

Oh my. Please do tell me how! I've searched high and low and can't find anyway to delete a photo from photo stream!

thunderbunny
Oct 12, 2011, 10:33 PM
You can delete your photos from Photo Stream.

Only by resetting the whole photo stream. There was a delete button in one of the betas but it never worked.

ToxicMan
Oct 13, 2011, 05:58 AM
Only by resetting the whole photo stream. There was a delete button in one of the betas but it never worked.

So then the original poster actually has a point then. I know I agree that this is a very poorly implemented feature!

To delete a single photo, I have to wipe out the whole bunch and start again? And since I have no way to choose which photos I want on the stream, I don't really see much value. And it only grabs the new photos I take and has no library capability for organizing. I can see that after just a few months of use it will become unwieldy.

Yep. The original poster is spot on.

Simon86
Oct 13, 2011, 06:12 AM
The photo stream is not intended to be a long-term storage medium; hence there are no photo management features.

It's ONLY intended as a method of syncing photos between all your devices.

Photos are removed from the stream once they are over 30 days old or the limit of 1000 photos has been reached. Giving you plenty of time to:


turn your Mac on and have it pull down all the photos into your iPhoto library
turn your PC on and have it pull down all the photos into the photo library
save/browse photos on your other iOS devices

hafr
Oct 13, 2011, 06:57 AM
Photostream and Backup need serious work. Can't delete photos from my photostream? Got to manually save to my Camera Roll to keep them. Camera Roll SHOULD BE THE PHOTOSTREAM and function just as the Camera Roll always always, meaning deleting photos I don't want or accidentally snapped.

This is a mess. Again.

I have no desire to have all my photos taken with my iPhone to be automatically transferred to my iPod touch's Camera Roll. None what so ever. I might save a handful of pictures across my devices, but I use my computer as a "main storage unit".

Also, with your logic, I wouldn't be able to keep a photo on my iPhone if I didn't want it on my iPod. How is that a good thing? Or do you mean that all photos should be transferred to all Camera Rolls, and then having to be removed from the individual devices?

No, the current solution where you have access to the past 1 000 photos or photos taken during the past 30 days and the option of saving them or not is a lot better in my opinion.

thewitt
Oct 13, 2011, 07:11 AM
I would recommend sending your feedback to Apple rather than simply posting it here. Since this is the first release of photo stream, I would expect enhancements will follow.

miles01110
Oct 13, 2011, 07:14 AM
I would recommend sending your feedback to Apple rather than simply posting it here. Since this is the first release of photo stream, I would expect enhancements will follow.

Even so, it's not completely unreasonable to expect such a basic feature as the ability to remove photos in an initial release. Even Flickr allowed one to remove photos from one's photostream when it was initially released.

ToxicMan
Oct 13, 2011, 10:55 AM
Great Thread. And when we're done, we should send it in whole to Apple...

I'd also add that with photo-stream now a part of AppleTV, the intent would appear to be a cloud location for photos that are meant to be highly desirable and of showcase quality. Thus, it's distribution to all your registered devices, and access from an endpoint AppleTV presumably connected to a high definition large format television. Simply put, PhotoStream is an integration technology that syncs the "keepers" across my devices... Yet in implementation, its an integration technology that syncs anything coming into the device photo buffer.

So I further postulate that the lack of ANY management control over this "feature" is so lacking in basic function as to render this feature useless...

Macsterguy
Oct 13, 2011, 10:58 AM
I know this is small potatoes... But, my iCal alarms are not working.

I HAVE NOT switched to iCloud (yet)...

Is this happening to anyone else?

rick snagwell
Oct 13, 2011, 11:01 AM
I know this is small potatoes... But, my iCal alarms are not working.

I HAVE NOT switched to iCloud (yet)...

Is this happening to anyone else?

i love it...havent heard of 'small potatoes' forever!

Macsterguy
Oct 13, 2011, 11:07 AM
i love it...havent heard of 'small potatoes' forever!

I guess I could have said "Bigger fish to fry" :)

samcraig
Oct 13, 2011, 11:13 AM
They have to have something "magical" for iOS 5.1 or iOS6 to tout as a revolutionary new way to manage photos in photostream... :rolleyes:

Mike in Kansas
Oct 13, 2011, 12:05 PM
They have to have something "magical" for iOS 5.1 or iOS6 to tout as a revolutionary new way to manage photos in photostream... :rolleyes:

Do you have an example of a better technology? Having everything I shoot on my iPhone, OR upload into Aperture on my iMac, immediately available on every iDevice and every Mac I own is incredible. No more downloading/syncing/copying/etc - it's all right there to be moved into various folders, projects or events on my various devices. If I don't want them, no big deal; if I do, they are immediately there.

It's designed to be a synced stream, NOT a management tool.

Daveoc64
Oct 13, 2011, 12:12 PM
Do you have an example of a better technology? Having everything I shoot on my iPhone, OR upload into Aperture on my iMac, immediately available on every iDevice and every Mac I own is incredible. No more downloading/syncing/copying/etc - it's all right there to be moved into various folders, projects or events on my various devices. If I don't want them, no big deal; if I do, they are immediately there.

It's designed to be a synced stream, NOT a management tool.

Google has offered a similar service for a while and there are many third parties that have been offering it on Android for years.

It's harder to do on iOS because Apps can't do tasks like this without being open, but there are some that will do it for you by simply going into an App to trigger the process.

samcraig
Oct 13, 2011, 12:49 PM
Do you have an example of a better technology? Having everything I shoot on my iPhone, OR upload into Aperture on my iMac, immediately available on every iDevice and every Mac I own is incredible. No more downloading/syncing/copying/etc - it's all right there to be moved into various folders, projects or events on my various devices. If I don't want them, no big deal; if I do, they are immediately there.

It's designed to be a synced stream, NOT a management tool.

It's irrelevant whether or not I have an example of better technology. Criticism of how iOS5 and Photostream works is legitimate. And while YOU might love it "as is" - others might not.

Further - if management tools were in place I am sure you wouldn't complain. Or would you?

I remember so many people were annoyed when myself and others suggested that the iPad would benefit from a camera - at least front facing. Oh the comments on how stupid of an idea that is because who's going to use the iPad as a camera and it's not the right form factor. Yet I see people GLOWING over the iPad 2 and the fact it has a camera.

Don't be against additional functionality - even if you won't use it. It's better to have the choice then none at all.

Mike in Kansas
Oct 14, 2011, 09:33 PM
It's irrelevant whether or not I have an example of better technology. Criticism of how iOS5 and Photostream works is legitimate. And while YOU might love it "as is" - others might not.

Further - if management tools were in place I am sure you wouldn't complain. Or would you?

I remember so many people were annoyed when myself and others suggested that the iPad would benefit from a camera - at least front facing. Oh the comments on how stupid of an idea that is because who's going to use the iPad as a camera and it's not the right form factor. Yet I see people GLOWING over the iPad 2 and the fact it has a camera.

Don't be against additional functionality - even if you won't use it. It's better to have the choice then none at all.

Nobody's against additional functionality. It will come - in time - just like Apple always does. Their first shot out of the gate never has all of the functionality that everyone wants. They dole it out year over year - partly to ensure that they have something robust and working before adding all the bells and whistles, partly to create demand for the newest thing. Just like the iPad 2 bests the iPad, the next iteration of Photostream will be improved. But no sense bashing the initial version and saying how poor or underperforming it is. For what it is, for a version 1.0, it's pretty darn awesome. Being "annoyed" at something because it doesn't have everything in its feature set (yet) that you or others think (i.e. "a botched launch") is a "must have" is trite.

The first iPhone didn't have a retina display. The first iPad didn't have a camera. The first iteration of Photostream doesn't allow you to delete. So what? Use it, enjoy it, and be happy when it gets added in a year. No sense hating something now because it's not perfect.

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Google has offered a similar service for a while and there are many third parties that have been offering it on Android for years.

It's harder to do on iOS because Apps can't do tasks like this without being open, but there are some that will do it for you by simply going into an App to trigger the process.

I'm not familiar with an app that automatically syncs all of the photos I take on my cellphone with my tablet, my iMac, and my PC. I have apps that allow me to transfer images wirelessly back and forth between my devices, but I have to activate them. Which one(s) on Android can you point to, so my wife can put them on her Droid, Macbook Air and her work PC, so she can have the same experience that I have?

Lenny61
Oct 15, 2011, 03:05 AM
Ive been using Dropbox app for a year now and it does what iCloud does and allows you to delete anything in it from any device, well worth trying, I know it's not just click on camera and it sends to every device instantly but it does the job.

hafr
Oct 15, 2011, 05:03 AM
Ive been using Dropbox app for a year now and it does what iCloud does and allows you to delete anything in it from any device, well worth trying, I know it's not just click on camera and it sends to every device instantly but it does the job.

So DropBox syncs your contacts and calendars across the board as well?

miles01110
Oct 15, 2011, 05:10 AM
So DropBox syncs your contacts and calendars across the board as well?

No, but Google Calendar does. Google Calendar also hasn't had any login/downtime/sync problems in years.

hafr
Oct 15, 2011, 05:29 AM
No, but Google Calendar does. Google Calendar also hasn't had any login/downtime/sync problems in years.

So DropBox doesn't sync your calendars or contacts, and syncing of photos is manual instead of automatic... Then how can DropBox be compared to iCloud?

DarwinOSX
Oct 15, 2011, 04:29 PM
Photostream and Backup need serious work. Can't delete photos from my photostream? Got to manually save to my Camera Roll to keep them. Camera Roll SHOULD BE THE PHOTOSTREAM and function just as the Camera Roll always always, meaning deleting photos I don't want or accidentally snapped.

This is a mess. Again.

Hah. You complain about one thing, which you are also wrong about, then extend it to all of iCloud being a failure. Really...

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No, but Google Calendar does. Google Calendar also hasn't had any login/downtime/sync problems in years.

Oh yes it has. All of the Google services have even for paid subscribers.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=google+calendar+down&oq=google+calendar+down&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=944l6250l0l6576l26l22l2l4l2l0l215l1963l6.9.1l16l0