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May 9, 2005, 10:27 AM
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Link: For Mac and PC users, the battle lines are drawn, and a new operating system may fan the flames (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20050509112704)

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eva01
May 9, 2005, 10:46 AM
i will say this, there is no way it is remotely close to red sox vs yankees. you don't see balmer being tossed to the ground by jobs (ala pedro knocking zimmer which was friggen hilarious to watch) and apple is in no way the yankees, because the yankees suck while apple doesn't.

anyways. yankees in the basement with the devil rays. Go Sox

Pyrix
May 9, 2005, 10:53 AM
Sorry, but since when were windows and mac 'incompatible'?

I open iTunes on my PC, I open iTunes on my mac. They can both see each other fine. They network fine. I can't think of many file formats on my PC i can't at least view on my mac. They even share the display sometimes, when i need more screen estate on the powerbook?

And what's that about automator - lots of little programs that do multitasking?

Journalists... who'd have them?

Ollie

Blue Velvet
May 9, 2005, 11:13 AM
Why you want a Mac
1. Software for dummies -- like you?



I'm not entirely sure who the dummy is here.

:rolleyes:

Fredo Viola
May 9, 2005, 11:14 AM
This was a pretty pc-biased article. No mention of the very affordable mac mini. Only one example of somebody trading sides and they are joining the dark side. And how about them pros for each side... unbelievable! I think this was written by somebody who has never used a Mac.

mkrishnan
May 9, 2005, 11:39 AM
Meh...more filler journalism. I did like this, though, about the Pepperdine woman:

Her boyfriend owns a Toshiba laptop, she adds with a laugh, ''which looks like a plastic cow."

Plastic cow...hehehe....

Nickygoat
May 9, 2005, 11:49 AM
Meh...more filler journalism. I did like this, though, about the Pepperdine woman:



Plastic cow...hehehe....
That made me laugh too. And one of the reasons listed for buying Windows is that Bill G gives a lot to charity? Please.

James Philp
May 9, 2005, 11:59 AM
What a load of rubbish.
Plenty of people use both.
Who employed this guy?


Why you want a Mac
1. Software for dummies -- like you?
2. Light years ahead in graphics.
3. Viruses? Spyware? Spam? iThink not.
4. Industrial eye candy (''the intersection of art and technology" -- Steve Jobs).
5. Automatic cult membership with each purchase.

Why you want Windows
1. Costs less than a lakeside vacation home.
2. Your IT staff has actually used it.
3. Games, games, and more games.
4. Bill Gates gives billions to charity.
5. They know where you live -- and your children, too.

1. Final Cut Pro HD, Shake, Motion - yeah simple!
2. Light years? Eh? I thought photoshop was available for both?
3. Not now, but what's the point? If apple had 90%+ share what would happen?
4. Maybe true, no-one seems to have the "touch", but if they looked rubbish, i'd still buy for os x
5. I really hope someone who owns a mini doesn't buy for this reason, as anyone who has owed a mac for more than 4 years are likely to snif at them.

1. Windows XP Home & SP2 148.98
Mac OS X "Tiger" 74.99
(Amazon UK) - Is this not the fairest comparison? (Just software - he does say "Why you want Windows" - not a "wintel PC")
2. Sure they do, great, they can scratch their heads in the knowledge that they should know what's wrong!
3. True, but I own an Xbox for that purpose.
4. What a crock of S***! We'd all be out buying 'Red Cross' Linux if they brought one out then?
5. - Good fifth point - really stretching there!

Makes you wonder why it's so hard to get a job!

SiliconAddict
May 9, 2005, 12:38 PM
The problem is if you are going to have 2 OS's duke it out you ummm sort of need to bring an OS to the party. *looks around* Longshot? Longshot? *whistles* here boy. Come on. Nope. Got nothing. So that leaves XP. A good OS as long as you are a tech head. If you are joe user you are pretty much screwed in a head on comparison between XP and OS X 3 or 4 (Even though 4 is still way more rough around the edges then XP but then what do you think Longshot is going to be like the first 6 months to a year?)

Hell by the time Longshot ships Apple is going to be talking Lion and it will be another 5 years before MS updates again and by then hello OS 11.

winmacguy
May 9, 2005, 01:43 PM
Sorry, but since when were windows and mac 'incompatible'?

I open iTunes on my PC, I open iTunes on my mac. They can both see each other fine. They network fine. I can't think of many file formats on my PC i can't at least view on my mac. They even share the display sometimes, when i need more screen estate on the powerbook?

And what's that about automator - lots of little programs that do multitasking?

Journalists... who'd have them?

Ollie
I think there are a few more issues when your dealing with Windows based clients who use older versions of Quark, Word, Powerpoint or Indesign for PC who then try and send you image files for printing. We get this a lot at work.

Pyrix
May 9, 2005, 05:40 PM
I think there are a few more issues when your dealing with Windows based clients who use older versions of Quark, Word, Powerpoint or Indesign for PC who then try and send you image files for printing. We get this a lot at work.

Yeah, it's fair enough. That's still not 'incompatible'. That's a bit like saying that women and men are 'incompatible' because they think differently.. or handle things in different ways. It's just not the right word to use. Yes, it's not THAT easy to do what you say. But it's not THAT easy to get your girlfriend to come with you to a football match.. doesn't mean they're incompatible.

Not the best analogy I know.. but i'm tired. Give me a break :p

Mav451
May 9, 2005, 05:51 PM
Yeah, it's fair enough. That's still not 'incompatible'. That's a bit like saying that women and men are 'incompatible' because they think differently.. or handle things in different ways. It's just not the right word to use. Yes, it's not THAT easy to do what you say. But it's not THAT easy to get your girlfriend to come with you to a football match.. doesn't mean they're incompatible.

Not the best analogy I know.. but i'm tired. Give me a break :p

I never understood why people use .PDF's in the work place environment until I had to deal with that myself. Using PDF's keeps everyone happy (assuming you are just printing/viewing). I keep wondering if MS will ever strike a deal with Adobe to get native support...

Or is this something related to the underpinnings of OSX?

Blue Velvet
May 9, 2005, 05:55 PM
I keep wondering if MS will ever strike a deal with Adobe to get native support...


Fat chance.

Not if they're intending to roll out this Metro (http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,1995,1789314,00.asp) doohickey...

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/print/metro.mspx

mrsebastian
May 9, 2005, 06:25 PM
Why you want a Mac
1. Software for dummies -- like you?
2. Light years ahead in graphics.
3. Viruses? Spyware? Spam? iThink not.
4. Industrial eye candy (''the intersection of art and technology" -- Steve Jobs).
5. Automatic cult membership with each purchase.

Why you want Windows
1. Costs less than a lakeside vacation home.
2. Your IT staff has actually used it.
3. Games, games, and more games.
4. Bill Gates gives billions to charity.
5. They know where you live -- and your children, too.

thought this article was pretty fair and had some funny moments, ie: the plastic cow :D lastly the list, though pretty good, needs a lil help...
winblows:
1. a pc MAY cost less, if you want a bare bones machine, which apple hasn't really offered till now with the mini.
2. you don't need an i.t. staff. plug it in, answer a few questions, and enjoy.
3. this is one of my pet peeves... go play your xbox/ps2 on a big screen tv, it costs half as much. (before my gaming friends break out the flame throwers, they do offer online play with the consoles as well)... and if you're in love with tetris or solitaire, get a gameboy. also see no. (1), any machine decent enough to play games will cost you as much as a decent mac.
4. i haven't seen one stinkin penny from that [bleeper]. however for a small donation of say $1 million a year, i will be more than happy advocate m$, while living at the beach, surrounded by gorgeous girls, and sucking down pina coladas... seriously though, all the big money people give lots to charity, if just for tax purposes.
5. i don't have any kids and like for mentioned will happily support bill for the correct dollar amount, as i will never sit at computer making a living again. thank you... please make payable to sebastian...

shamino
May 9, 2005, 06:27 PM
Why you want Windows
1. Costs less than a lakeside vacation home.
Perhaps this person should actually look at the prices before making brain-dead claims like this. MSRP for Mac OS X is $130. MSRP for Windows XP is $200 for the useless "home" edition or $300 for the "professional" edition.

Microsoft does offer upgrade pricing - a $100 discount off of either version. This makes the upgrade to the home edition $100 or an upgrade to the pro edition $200. Sure, the home edition costs less than MacOS if you're upgrading from a previous version, but does anybody really think that a $30 price difference is worthy of calling MacOS "more expensive than a lakeside vacation home"?

I'm sure Windows-advocates will respond that nobody actually pays this much, because Windows comes bundled with new computers. Well, so does MacOS, so it's not really much of an argument.

Of course, the article writer may be talking about the price of a whole computer system, but that's also a bogus argument. Apple has a Mac to match each and every price-point in the PC market, from the $500 mini up through a $3000+ maxed-out PowerMac.

Mav451
May 9, 2005, 08:19 PM
Perhaps this person should actually look at the prices before making brain-dead claims like this. MSRP for Mac OS X is $130. MSRP for Windows XP is $200 for the useless "home" edition or $300 for the "professional" edition.

Microsoft does offer upgrade pricing - a $100 discount off of either version. This makes the upgrade to the home edition $100 or an upgrade to the pro edition $200. Sure, the home edition costs less than MacOS if you're upgrading from a previous version, but does anybody really think that a $30 price difference is worthy of calling MacOS "more expensive than a lakeside vacation home"?

I'm sure Windows-advocates will respond that nobody actually pays this much, because Windows comes bundled with new computers. Well, so does MacOS, so it's not really much of an argument.

Of course, the article writer may be talking about the price of a whole computer system, but that's also a bogus argument. Apple has a Mac to match each and every price-point in the PC market, from the $500 mini up through a $3000+ maxed-out PowerMac.

This is especially true now. The PC market is in a time of heavy inflation. CPU prices, on average are now $150-200. 2 years ago, CPUs like the 2100+ were being sold for $70. How bout GPU's? There isn't that killer Ti4200 that cost only $130 and offered nearly top-end performance. Now its 6600gt (nice) but to get top-end you gotta shell out $400-500. Nah ah. Until inflation goes down, Macs may even be cheaper than their price-point counterparts--especially with the new iMac G5s.

freiheit
May 9, 2005, 08:47 PM
Something many corporations fail to realize is the REASON your IT staff has used Windows is BECAUSE it has games, games and more games. Most IT people I've dealt with spend all their time between calls playing games (or downloading warez) on company time. That's a money waster. Some companies would do themselves a great service by adding non-Windows systems to their mix.

freiheit
May 9, 2005, 08:53 PM
Microsoft does offer upgrade pricing - a $100 discount off of either version. This makes the upgrade to the home edition $100 or an upgrade to the pro edition $200. Sure, the home edition costs less than MacOS if you're upgrading from a previous version, but does anybody really think that a $30 price difference is worthy of calling MacOS "more expensive than a lakeside vacation home"?

I'm sure Windows-advocates will respond that nobody actually pays this much, because Windows comes bundled with new computers. Well, so does MacOS, so it's not really much of an argument.

The Windows market is so big that there's so many people who pirate Windows, which makes the price completely irrelevant. How long did it take for WinXP's registration system to be cracked? A couple of weeks? I'd wager there's more pirated copies of Windows in use than there are MacOS X installations (legitimate and pirated combined).

But is that a good thing? Well it's good for Microsoft because it means those people are highly unlikely to ever switch off their platform as long as they can keep using Windows for free.

Jaffa Cake
May 10, 2005, 06:42 AM
5. They know where you live -- and your children, too.

That'll be the spyware.

RobHague
Sep 9, 2005, 12:49 PM
5. Automatic cult membership with each purchase.

Cool :D do we get to sacrifice virgins and small animals?

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The only reason people wont buy a Mac IMO (like myself once so i think i speak for a lot of people in that respect) is because its held onto a bad reputation for being an expensive nitche product. Something only hard-core music/video editors buy or people with more money than sense that want a computer that looks like piece of art. And prize the looks over the functionality.

Who tells you different? No one. I have seen a lot of adverts for Microsoft, including their push of XP on TV recentley (the "Start Something" jibberish), but the last one i remember by Apple was for the iMac (G3) after that i dont remember seeing anything else (there have been other adverts yes but obviously not enough).