iTunes Music Store Selling Videos

[MacRumors]

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One blog (http://homepage.mac.com/wysz/iblog/C47259402/E1972588710/index.html) points out that Apple's iTunes Music store now appears to offer the ability to sell videos as well as songs.

This takes advantage of iTunes new features allowing it to manage and play video files.

This feature is demonstrated in the Feel Good Inc single (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=52656051&selectedItemId=52656014) which was used in the most recent iPod Ad (Rollerskating) (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/05/20050508081339.shtml).

The videos for this particular artist are provided with the album purchase only and are not available for individual purchase. Purchasing the album provides you with 4 short .mp4 videos. These particular videos are 480x272 pixels, 30FPS with 44kHz audio

[Ed note: the videos aren't very exciting or good, imo. Not really worth a purchase]

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/itunesvideosale.png

http://www.macrumors.com/downloads/gorillazmov.png

[thevessels]

awesome!
ipod video / airport AV anyone ?!?!
:D

[gandalf55]

Okay - kinda stoopid. You can't preview those videos. Yes, you get them for free with the single - but what's the point?

I was hoping to get a "TV" thing under my "Radio" in the playlist area... for some live news stuff or something. Is this what video in iTunes is for? :confused:

[jtgotsjets]

This is actually really cool. Can anyone say iFlicks? Video iPod?

[samh004]

I wonder what the quality of the videos is and whether or not it can be played elsewhere on your mac on windows box ?

also where is the video file stored ?

I hope we get video previews soon, I tried but it lasted 3 seconds with no audio or video :(

[realityisterror]

It'll be interesting to see where Apple decides to go with this...

reality

[samh004]

awesome!
ipod video / airport AV anyone ?!?!
:D

I'd prefer it if they kept support for the original express to stream video, rather than require users to purchase a whole new one :(

[dotdotdot]

AHHH I BOUGHT THIS SONG THIS MORNING!!!!!!!!!

I want these videos... how can I redownload it without it charging me?

[mikeyrogers]

I can't believe this. This sucks. What about those of us who supported the Gorillaz and this single since it was first available on the iTMS? I don't feel like spending another ¢99 just to get 4 animated shorts. We should get them for free as well.

[CubaTBird]

but but steve said no video ipod he was cynical about it!??! and steve said he said he said nobody uses flash players that they just throw em in a draw not be used ever again!!! BUT but but....

yeah steve, REALITY BITES...

[dotdotdot]

I can't believe this. This sucks. What about those of us who supported the Gorillaz and this single since it was first available on the iTMS? I don't feel like spending another ¢99 just to get 4 animated shorts. We should get them for free as well.

Check my list - I reccomended this song!

I want videos - I'm a fan of Gorillaz (got their first cd...)

[vouder17]

Do you know what i am thinking. If apple would say start a sort of cinema.. You go to the iTunes Music/Movie Store and you go to movies then you buy a movie ticket...ok. Movies only show at certain times just like in the cinemas.. The advantage of this is that now you can watch movies at home and you dont have to go all the way down to the cinema to watch it. Most people nowadays have home cinema systems anyway so this would be great. I for one would be really interested. The video quality would also be really good since it will be streaming in H.264.
Well this is my thought...take as you wish..but it would be an awesome idea..me thinks

[dotdotdot]

but but steve said no video ipod he was cynical about it!??! and steve said he said he said nobody uses flash players that they just throw em in a draw not be used ever again!!! BUT but but....

yeah steve, REALITY BITES...

He also left Apple.

He ALWAYS does this... I think the iPod Photo = Standard, and comes in a 20 GB model and a 30 GB Model and iPod AV comes in a 60 or 80 gb model

[liven2]

I noticed this does not work in iTunes 4.7.1 but does in 4.8. It is very obvious that iTunes is going to integrate video for sale. In fact you could see the signs of this for over a year now and it is just a matter of time until we are downloading full DVD movies.... I am pumped!

[mikeyrogers]

Check my list - I reccomended this song!

I want videos - I'm a fan of Gorillaz (got their first cd...)

What are you talking about? I said I got the song when it first came out. Why are you recommending it to me?

[animefan_1]

but but steve said no video ipod he was cynical about it!??! and steve said he said he said nobody uses flash players that they just throw em in a draw not be used ever again!!! BUT but but....

yeah steve, REALITY BITES...

Steve, nor Apple, pre-announce products.

Example: Conference call (Oct 2004) - they said they would NOT enter the sub-$500 computer market. Two months later....Mac mini. (http://apple.com/macmini)

Never take anything Apple says (referring to non-existing products) as gospel.

[dotdotdot]

What are you talking about? I said I got the song when it first came out. Why are you recommending it to me?
I was replying to you, saying i reccomended it... i.e., I already got it and now I'm not getting it again.

[SpamJunkie]

I had already bought this song as well, from the Canadian music store. I went to check for the video just now and the song isn't even available anymore, unless I'm missing something obvious. What's up?

[Phat_Pat]

freaking wicked. Lets get those music video copyrights out there. (IE: if song has a music video you get that too free!)

This would kick ass. Napster doesn't have that :p

[RedDrink]

It's from Morcheeba's Album "The Antidote"

Link (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/lastChanceRedirect?itmsURL=itms%3A%2F%2Fax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net%2FWebObjects%2FMZStore.woa %2Fwa%2FviewAlbum%3FplaylistId%3D61265855)

Haven't purchaced it yet, so I don't know if it's good.

Found Another Video:
Warning Shots (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=41522278) by Thievery Corporation

[x86isslow]

AHHH I BOUGHT THIS SONG THIS MORNING!!!!!!!!!

I want these videos... how can I redownload it without it charging me?


this happened to me too. i just sent an email to iTunes support. hopefully, they'll let me download the videos…

…if not, there's always limewire.

[Lacero]

I can see the music store selling music videos for a dollar each. Encoded in H.264 at 720P, each 3 min video would come in at around 80MB.

[runninmac]

This pisses me off!! i bought the songs yesterday! I might just rebuy the song... (no not really)

[dotdotdot]

I can see the music store selling music videos for a dollar each. Encoded in H.264 at 720P, each 3 min video would come in at around 80MB.

I can't...

1) Apple wont sell H.264 videos in iTunes because only G5s can play them - iPods can't.

2) The files are huge and large quality

3) They will cost more than $1

[wdw_]

This isn't 3ivx. it's Apple's MPEG4. If you have 3ivx installed, QT will use the 3ivx plugin to play many MPEG4 codecs and QT will list it as the format.

~Cody

[TylerL]

Just because QuickTime's Info panel says 3ivx doesn't mean the video was encoded using it.
The 3ivx plugin takes over all MPEG-4 decoding.

[AliensAreFuzzy]

I can't...

1) Apple wont sell H.264 videos in iTunes because only G5s can play them - iPods can't.

2) The files are huge and large quality

3) They will cost more than $1
Dude, the big thing about H.264 is that it is totally scalable. From the HUGE HD resolutions down to 3G cell phone size. It'll play.

[Phat_Pat]

Update: Another video included with an album: The Antidote by Morcheeba

That one looks like a music video.... :confused:

[rendezvouscp]

I'm totally psyched. I really hope that Apple comes out with a video store, because I know that I would use it, as would many others. Here's hoping!

For you h.264 naysayers, the beauty of h.264 is that it's scalable. Even if you got a beautiful HD movie from the video store, it could be encoded into something your iPod can play (although it'd take a billion years in some cases). It's possible!
-Chase

[arn]

So far, it seems that these will be used to provide incentives for users to purchase full albums. There was a recent article saying that music stores are going to have to start providing extras to attract more customers.

interesting... I think it'll work. People will be far more likely to purchase an album for the added video.

What's interesting is that the videos are not protected in anyway.... so I can see a large trading/p2p scene in these videos.

arn

[BornAgainMac]

Dude, the big thing about H.264 is that it is totally scalable. From the HUGE HD resolutions down to 3G cell phone size. It'll play.

Question. The same file is scalable or the codec. I think it's the codec.

[swissmann]

I did some calculations and checking. Comparing to the Batman Begins HD Trailer on the Quicktime HD site it looks like a 2 hour movie would be 5.7 GB. That is a lot of data to be downloading per movie. Granted the quality they have those encoded at is outstanding. I go double size on a 20" monitor and it still looks incredible. I would love it if you could download it and then burn it to a DVD or the upcoming blue laser DVD without having to change it's codec. Copyright would probably be a huge problem but I could afford 6 GB of space to be used as an interim until I got it on a disc.

I don't see movies coming soon but short clips and music videos I can see now.

[sorryiwasdreami]

I think I just may get an iPod when they can play videos. ...And it seems to not be so far off!

[zellin]

I'm not an av expert, but it seems to me that if my G4 can't play H.264 then there is no way the iPod will be able to for some time. If video does get on the iPod it won't be H.264.

[swissmann]

Question. The same file is scalable or the codec. I think it's the codec.

It is the codec. I think people think that you can encode a movie in H.264 and then blow it up to a Big HD screen and then also play it on a Cell Phone. If you make it high enough quality to go on the big screen it is way to big to go on the Cell Phone. If you make is small enough to fit on a phone it will look like garbage on a big screen. You can use the scalability of H.264 to use that same codec for big HD movies as well as small cell phone movies - so it is very versatile for creation. However, I am noticing that it takes a lot of processing power too.

[~Shard~]

Looks like the start of something good!

[MaCaDDiCT21]

Does anyone remember the thread about the "iStore" or something like that. Rumors said they would offer DVDs, media for your printer, and even downloadable applications. Nothing like this has been followed up on, however we have seen then new link in Tiger that lets you order ink from Apple's online store. I predict that by iTunes 5, something like this will be established.

Maybe.....Just Maybe......

[mistabaka]

H.264 Is Scalable! It Can Be Encoded In HD (Like The Quicktime Gallery), And Be Best Viewed On A G5, But It Can Also Be Encoded To Be Viewed (Quite Well) On Cell Phones. H.264 Would Play Fine On A Video iPod. :rolleyes:

[swissmann]

I'm not an av expert, but it seems to me that if my G4 can't play H.264 then there is no way the iPod will be able to for some time. If video does get on the iPod it won't be H.264.

Your G4 should handle H.264 if it isn't at a super high quality setting. The Quicktime HD gallery is encoded really high.

[DavidLeblond]

It's from Morcheeba's Album "The Antidote"

Link (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/lastChanceRedirect?itmsURL=itms%3A%2F%2Fax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net%2FWebObjects%2FMZStore.woa %2Fwa%2FviewAlbum%3FplaylistId%3D61265855)

Haven't purchaced it yet, so I don't know if it's good.

Morcheeba has a new album?? I just looked at their website yesterday and saw no mention of it.

Just checked their website, STILL no mention of it... and they have an EP out too! WTF? Someone better remind the band that they're still on the web.

[Shrike_Priest]

I could definitely see them offering videos in the future, this is all just a test for the inevitable movie store coming later on.

As for H.264 and scalability: the codec as such is scalable from 3GP to HD, but an individual file obviously isn't scalable. A 720p file will run on a G5, but there's no way in hell it'll run on an iPod. But then again, Apple wouldn't need a 720p file for an iPod. They'd have something like the PSP res (480x272) for a portable player. Maybe even 720x405 (ie. DVD-res) if they want to be cutting edge. And a file like that might be playable on a future iPod if they have a custom chip made for it.

I doubt they'd distribute HD-files just because they'd be so effing huge, it wouldn't be cost-effective for quite a while.

As for video-playback in iTunes, does it only work with iTMS-videos? I've tried adding my own music-videos, they'll show up in the library, and I'll get audio and the first frame under album-art, but I don't get any video.

[Ja Di ksw]

Your G4 should handle H.264 if it isn't at a super high quality setting. The Quicktime HD gallery is encoded really high.


. . . . I play the Quicktime HD gallery on my G4. . . . .

[TheFoamRoses]

Does anyone think this is what was stalling the release of the new motorolla cell phone product? I know cingular is opening up this new video cell phone era and marketing it quite heavily. Is this an attack on that by motorolla carriers (does cingular use motorolla)?

Also, is this a possible marketing attack by Apple on the Microsoft announcement of XBOX2 on thursday and E3 next week? Might they be trying to plug their products first and gain a lot of media attention before they are overshadowed? It seems like the perfect time to release a video iPod to me (graduation shopping season).

[micvog]

AHHH I BOUGHT THIS SONG THIS MORNING!!!!!!!!!

I want these videos... how can I redownload it without it charging me?

Have you listened to the downloaded song to make sure it plays correctly?

The reason I ask is that one of the songs I downloaded from iTMS was messed up (lots of static). I sent an e-mail and the next time I logged-in, I was allowed to re-download the song for free. Perhaps, if your download was similarly corrupted :p you could e-mail iTMS.

In my case, the re-download was also messed up and Apple has since removed it from the store.

[mcmav37]

3) They will cost more than $1


I don't think so. What would the cost be for? Yes, Apple would be paying for the storage and bandwith for the downloads which would be significant compared to a song, but not really anything in the big scheme. The reason that we have to pay for songs is that the artists and labels expect to get paid for them. However, the artists and labels pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to create music videos to help sell more albums. So, instead of only having their music video play a few times a day on MTV, they could provide them with single or album downloads for free.

If a music video for a song I really like came with purchase of the album, I would be more likely to buy the whole album instead of just the single. This would create more revenue for everyone with really no additional expenses (remember, they are already creating the music videos no matter what).

[StarbucksSam]

This is actually really cool. Can anyone say iFlicks? Video iPod?

Little premature....

[HarrisonRHW]

I have been having fun using iTunes as a video jukebox. Now i dont have to individually open a quicktime window to view them. And it was smart the way they used the albulm art window to show it as apposed to a new windows, which other video jukeboxes for apple use. I just wish I knew the codecs that were supported.

Also... i wonder if apple will have a new ipod or just update the ipod photo somehow. Maybe a new one tomorrow at the music confrence thing...

[diamacibal]

4.8's still not showing up in my software update--not sure if that's across the board. Seems like something like this deserves some sort of "big" announcement on good ol' Tuesday...

[MacHarne]

I tried to download the Thievery Corporation single/album with the video. And I got an error. I really want to see this video stuff in action. There is serious potential for something like this. I would snag a video iPod the instant they came out; it would seriously help the bus trips across town and campus.

[arn]

sorta offtopic, but Feel Good, Inc's actual music video is available in quicktime here:

http://promo.virginrecords.net/artists/gorillaz/quicktime/index.php

[deral]

this happened to me too. i just sent an email to iTunes support. hopefully, they'll let me download the videos…

…if not, there's always limewire.

Damn, yeah, I just bought the song this morning. let us know if you got any success in the free vids.

[Trowaman]

I was holding off purchasing Feel Good Inc until the CD came out but this was just too good. Videos are quite funny. Apple, please give QT Pro users the option to download videos now that music videos can play in the jukebox.

BTW, since I upgraded my standard way of saving videos is kinda scrap. Spotlight search does not give me a visibility option in find. Anyone got any ideas how to save music videos now?

[Flying Llama]

I don't think so. What would the cost be for? Yes, Apple would be paying for the storage and bandwith for the downloads which would be significant compared to a song, but not really anything in the big scheme. The reason that we have to pay for songs is that the artists and labels expect to get paid for them. However, the artists and labels pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to create music videos to help sell more albums. So, instead of only having their music video play a few times a day on MTV, they could provide them with single or album downloads for free.

If a music video for a song I really like came with purchase of the album, I would be more likely to buy the whole album instead of just the single. This would create more revenue for everyone with really no additional expenses (remember, they are already creating the music videos no matter what).

Unless they sold entire movies (not in HD), then they would be more than $1. A DVD usually costs about $15 here in the US, but I get them for $9
:cool: How? I have sources... http://swforums.bioware.com/_global/images/smiles/icon_look.gif

[jimsowden]

Unless they sold entire movies (not in HD), then they would be more than $1. A DVD usually costs about $15 here in the US, but I get them for $9
:cool: How? I have sources... http://swforums.bioware.com/_global/images/smiles/icon_look.gif
I get them for $1.20. How? Snaggling.

[arn]

Interestingly

Warning Shots' video (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=41522278&selectedItemId=62655757) and song cost $1.98 for both. This means that Apple has added a $.99 premium to get the Video as well as the song.

Warning Shots single is available for $.99 by itself. link (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=41972735&selectedItemId=41972650)

arn

[mcmav37]

Unless they sold entire movies (not in HD), then they would be more than $1. A DVD usually costs about $15 here in the US, but I get them for $9
:cool: How? I have sources... http://swforums.bioware.com/_global/images/smiles/icon_look.gif


We're talking about music videos at this point, not movies.

[dotdotdot]

So videos cost $.99, unless included with the album...

I wish they included videos with something I actually LIKE

[MacHarne]

I tried downloading the Thievery Corp. single again and it worked.

The video is almost 27MB, but the quality is very nice. The video file type is mp4 and was automatically saved into the folder with the audio track. The file resolution is 480x360. When I resized the window, I noticed very little pixelation, almost none. I am running this on the iBook listed in my signature.

Here is a link to a screenshot I took of the video playing (I changed the preferences so that video would open in a new window): Thievery Corporation Video from iTunes (http://ryanharne.com/photographs/thieveryvideo.jpg)

I am very impressed.

[swissmann]

I know this is about iTunes but I think this post relates because people are thinking that the combination of these movies in iTunes, Quicktime 7, H.264, Year of HD, Tiger, etc that we are going to see a movie iPod. We might but here is the reality of H.264 and its scalability. Check out the results of the test I ran using FCP 4.5 (with QT 7 as the backbone) on a Dual 2 GHz G5.

14 second DV master clip
Convert to H264 Time to do File size in KB
DV to DV 2 seconds 51,500
Highest 1 min 33 sec 940
http://homepage.mac.com/jacobcroft/H264/01.mov
Medium 1 min 32 sec 528
http://homepage.mac.com/jacobcroft/H264/02.mov
Least 1 Min 30 sec 252
http://homepage.mac.com/jacobcroft/H264/03.mov
Least 1 Pass 56 sec 244
http://homepage.mac.com/jacobcroft/H264/04.mov
Least 320x240 10 fps 10 sec 140
http://homepage.mac.com/jacobcroft/H264/05.mov
I hope that this makes sense. Basically the highest quality encode was straight DV (not posted to the web). It only took me 2 seconds to encode it but it was 51.5 MB big. The best settings for H.264 took me 1.5 minutes to encode but was only .94 MB and looks awesome. The smalles file took me 10 seconds to encode and is tiny only .24 MB but looks like garbage.

I hope the links work so people can try them out. I also hope I have enough bandwidth to handle it all. I also hope that those people with older machines will be able to play back these clips (at very least the smallest ones) to prove my understanding that they can play H.264 movies (at lower quality). Please let me know how it goes.

[andcarne]

I can see a video store coming sometime in the future, but the problem is that A) Apple would need super-fast servers, and the end user would need a good connection as well.

Looking at all the free music videos there, I only get about 38k/s on a 7mbit connection here. They aren't the highest res either, and if Apple's servers choke on that, they'll really die on full videos.

[joeboy_45101]

I can't...

1) Apple wont sell H.264 videos in iTunes because only G5s can play them - iPods can't.

2) The files are huge and large quality

3) They will cost more than $1

Answering the first part of your reply: No, not really. I downloaded the HD Gallery movies and then exported them at 1/2 the data rate and frame size and they play fine on my iBook G4 933Mhz. Amazingly, the H.264 codec is so powerful that I cannot... I repeat, cannot tell any difference in video or sound quality between the full High Resolution and Half Resolution films while being played in Fullscreen Mode. There is only one drawback, the encoding is not fast at all. So, it takes a pretty good chuck of my time to get these into a more versatile format. I will be finished with the movies in the next day or so and will post them on my website if anybody wants them they can download it there. I post more when I'm done.

[~Shard~]

We're talking about music videos at this point, not movies.

Yes, but this is a step in the right direction. Movies will follow, it's just a question of when. :cool:

[mcmav37]

Yes, but this is a step in the right direction. Movies will follow, it's just a question of when. :cool:


Agreed!! I would sign up for an Apple-branded Netflix-like service (downloading, of course) in an instant.

[Nermal]

sorta offtopic, but Feel Good, Inc's actual music video is available in quicktime here:

http://promo.virginrecords.net/artists/gorillaz/quicktime/index.php

Or here (http://a1695.phobos.apple.com/Features/y2005/m04/d14/h16/dj.ekkolxlk.mov), in Apple-encoded QuickTime :) (option-click to download)

[Flying Llama]

Agreed!! I would sign up for an Apple-branded Netflix-like service (downloading, of course) in an instant.

Hmm... that's I actually a brilliant idea!!! Please Apple! Come on Steve!

[Nermal]

I hope we get video previews soon, I tried but it lasted 3 seconds with no audio or video :(

I used tcpdump to take a copy of the preview. I imported it into iTunes and it reported itself as Silent by Slum Village, 0:04, complete with cover art. :confused:

[dotdotdot]

Or here (http://a1695.phobos.apple.com/Features/y2005/m04/d14/h16/dj.ekkolxlk.mov), in Apple-encoded QuickTime :) (option-click to download)

I have no clue how to get those quicktime videos... :( care to inform me? (or PM me?)

[jydesign]

Adding videos, images, booklets, all great 'extras' to compete and reward users. I too hope that they offer video.

One thing I've thought of that I think might be an interesting addition at some point to iTMS is the ability to directly track and purchase tickets for live performances by artists (this is after all where bands get the real $). Considering iTMS will already send you alerts about favorite and past purchased artists, it's not a stretch to also x-ref that with your zip code and send local concert ticket updates for these same artist... just an idea...

That would also make a nice 'extra' - buy the new album plus tickets to see the show for some kind of good price, for example. A good upsell opportunity.

[DPazdanISU]

it looks quite obvious to me that apple is going to bring out a video cable ipod- at least one that can play these small itunes music video clips- most likely just a firmware update for the ipod photo that allows it to play these

[skullsplitter]

The video is good - big ups to 4.8, worth the upgrade.

Still no built in skins.

No crossface for ipods.

Yes some of you just bought those songs and missed out on the video. Yes I have a few month old iMac G5 20" with only 64mb graphic card, less 90GB hd that new model, and that was expensive for me as a student. I will try and sell, find some pocketmoney and upgrade, to winge about wanting a refund or a new machine to be sent out.....nup, just cut my losses and move forward, so just download that damn song again, in NZ we have no music store - yucky for you all that do.

Final comment: No built in artwork grabber - sux.no built in muting/pausing when a primary programme begins using some audio output.

[fabsgwu]

I'm not an av expert, but it seems to me that if my G4 can't play H.264 then there is no way the iPod will be able to for some time. If video does get on the iPod it won't be H.264.

Your G4 CAN play H.264; now it might not be able to play the higher quality HD material (like the new Batman trailer), but it will be able to play a scaled down version...

[Nermal]

I have no clue how to get those quicktime videos... :( care to inform me? (or PM me?)

I believe that there's an app that makes it easy, but I don't know what it's called. I use tcpdump (a terminal app), which saves everything going through your network port. I then search through the resulting file to find where the video is coming from, and then copy the link into Download Wizard (http://www.whizzosoftware.com/downloadwizard/index.html). If you understood that, you're doing quite well :)

[~Shard~]

Agreed!! I would sign up for an Apple-branded Netflix-like service (downloading, of course) in an instant.

Apple will wait for the right timing and will launch the service the right way. For now though, we'll all need patience - hopefully some music videos will get us by in the meantime. ;)

[fabsgwu]

I also like that they have a bunch of music videos and trailers you can view right in the iTMS, for free. I'm sure someone will figure out how to capture the video and download it for free...

[Stella]

A business changes and develops its products. If you seriously believe that what SJ says is true for eternity, then you should get into the real world. A business that doesn't change doesn't last for too long.

Additionally, Remember, apple said they wouldn't realise a cheap headless Mac, and they did.. Oh, and Apple also said no one wants a 512MB mp3 player because the memory is too small.. Again, apple released the Shuffle ( very successfully ) to compete with competitors. It was obvious to apple flash based music players is a large business and something they should be in.

but but steve said no video ipod he was cynical about it!??! and steve said he said he said nobody uses flash players that they just throw em in a draw not be used ever again!!! BUT but but....

yeah steve, REALITY BITES...

[tangerineyum]

I also like that they have a bunch of music videos and trailers you can view right in the iTMS, for free. I'm sure someone will figure out how to capture the video and download it for free...

Before Tiger, I went to the music store loaded a video, then would search for invisible files made that day. The video was temporarily stored with a long file number type name. Once u found a file the right size i would change the extention and name the file the video name. Played perfectly in quicktime. Seems like this lil trick has been disabled in tiger. The ability to find invisible files is still there with Open Apple + F and then choosing "Other" and then visibility, but it doesnt show the videos for me anymore.

Also, I bought iLife '04 CD off of ebay. I bought the cd cuz i didnt have a superdrive or a fast enough proc for garageband, and figured since the CD lacked these apps it would be cheaper. When i tried to install it would not let me because i had a dvd drive. So again i searched for invisible files on the cd and i found the package contents and installed that way. When clean installed tiger, i tried this method and it would not let me, i had to use another computer to do the trick, then drag the packages to my desktop to install. Apple seems to have plugged the invisibility hole....

[celebi23]

I believe that there's an app that makes it easy, but I don't know what it's called. I use tcpdump (a terminal app), which saves everything going through your network port. I then search through the resulting file to find where the video is coming from, and then copy the link into Download Wizard (http://www.whizzosoftware.com/downloadwizard/index.html). If you understood that, you're doing quite well :)

Is there anyway to find the video from Dave Matthews Band's "Stand Up"?

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=61877320&selectedItemId=62770740

Oh, is there anyway to hack out Digital Booklets from the iTMS? :rolleyes:

[darkmatter05]

yeah, Id have to agree with everyone else on this.. iPod Video.. But anyone, how does this integrate with iPod Photo? Does it? Or does it exclude the upload..? (watch in the next few days new upgrade for iPod photo, I would spaz!).. But I must say, i love the this!! Also, you can import mov files into iTunes now, and watch them from iTunes, I love that most of all!

[darkmatter05]

Hey, I hate to bring this up, but there is this crack pot theory, or so that someone made up that Steve Jobs is making iPorn; obviously a joke, but here is the link iPorn (http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/10/iporn.html).. Perhaps they are going in this direction, and BBspot is right again!? They were right, as some say they predicted iPod shuffle.. hahah if this is true, id have to kill Steve thou.. However, just making a point on how htis is actually going in that direction O_O

[~Shard~]

I also like that they have a bunch of music videos and trailers you can view right in the iTMS, for free. I'm sure someone will figure out how to capture the video and download it for free...

There are apps that can do that already, aren't there?

[sw1tcher]

Steve, nor Apple, pre-announce products.

Example: Conference call (Oct 2004) - they said they would NOT enter the sub-$500 computer market. Two months later....Mac mini. (http://apple.com/macmini)

Never take anything Apple says (referring to non-existing products) as gospel.

You may be on to something. So Apple's claim that a G5 PowerBook is the mother of all thermal challenges means that....

G5 PowerBooks tomorrow? WWDC perhaps?

[adam1185]

The shins also have their single + video up for 1.98

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=62427539

[Shrike_Priest]

To be fair, Steve's main objection of video iPods was that there wasn't any content for portable video-players. You'd have to pirate and/or convert any movie you had on them. If Apple can set up a system that provides users with content made for a video iPod, be it music videos, TV or movies, there's really no reason not to.

[agentkow]

The shins also have their single + video up for 1.98

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=62427539

I was about to mention that as well, thought maybe it was only in the Canadian iTMS, which normally doesn't get all the fancy American stuff right away, but in this case got all the new video/tunes.

[840quadra]

Nice!

I will have to now wait for a band / group I like to release an Itunes video! The groups listed don't interest me at this point :(

[Lacero]

Do they have older videos available? I'm not that interested in a lot of newer, higher profile artists, but if I can find some old videos that I loved from about 5+ years back, it might convince me to actually give iTunes a try. Second, how much do these videos cost to buy, and how much do the record labels get out of this, I need to know how much disgust I need to have for myself when I start giving the RIAA and their companies my money.

[fraggle]

I bought that single yesterday from my wishlist without being aware of the videos :(

[geekdreams]

There are apps that can do that already, aren't there? Yes, but in Tiger they don't work because the temporary QT cache directory has changed, as well as the filetypes created (they used to be saved as .mov files, now they're .qtch files). :(

[Lacero]

If they sell videos online, they might incorporate a similar protocol like BitTorrent to easy the burden on their servers and their bandwidth. Doing so, they may be able to sell the licenses for a dollar or two.

[virividox]

cant wait tillw e see feature length films

[Veldek]

To be fair, Steve's main objection of video iPods was that there wasn't any content for portable video-players. You'd have to pirate and/or convert any movie you had on them.He also said, that it wasn't easy to use these gadgets while you walk or bike, because you cannot pay attention to it, making them almost unuseable, at least in these cases.

[rockthecasbah]

Agreed!! I would sign up for an Apple-branded Netflix-like service (downloading, of course) in an instant.
Apple having a netflix style service for downloading is still a bit off in my opinion. Movies = big files to download and to serve. For Apple to have enough movies and them to download at a good enough pace, the video would have to be sooooooo compressed its not even worth watching.

[MacMiniOwner]

once you have watched a music video where is it stored, can I keep it?

[stevieled]

when i updated my ipod with the DMB album Stand Up today, i went into the ipod settings in iTMS 4.8...and the tabs at the top (widows version) have changed...there arent 2 tabs anymore...only one entitled music. Also, when it was updating the iPod it came up with a message that said "itunes did not load the video "stand up-Video" because this iPod is not compatible.

this makes me think that soon they will add another tab to the prefereneces that says Video...and they will have an iPod that is compatible with the videos you can now download in the store ;)

[Porchland]

Slightly off topic, but I was disappointed not to see the full DMB catalog this morning. I'm probably not going to buy the new album -- Dave's voice is all growly and weird -- but I do need to replace a few of the older ones.

Seems like I read that the full catalog is on the Sony BMG download service (that nobody uses) since Dave is on BMG.

But the wishlist is getting shorter: DMB catalog, DMB concert CDs, Radiohead, and the Beatles. If the Apple Music lawsuit is ever settled, I hope it will include Apple carrying the Beatles' catalog.

[kirk26]

What are you talking about? I said I got the song when it first came out. Why are you recommending it to me?


No you didn't say it.

[~Shard~]

Yes, but in Tiger they don't work because the temporary QT cache directory has changed, as well as the filetypes created (they used to be saved as .mov files, now they're .qtch files). :(

Ah yes, we're talking about Tiger now, aren't we... ;)

[Porchland]

Doesn't the store usually go down around 9 a.m. ET if we're getting new stuff? If so, we're coming up on the magic hour in about 15 minutes.

(I'm not holding my breath.)

[proglife]

Yay the Shins! :)

[september29th]

Has anyone noted that the PSP has a pixel ratio of 480 x 272? I believe that the video player doesn't take advantage of the full ratio tho'.

anyone attempted this?

[Porchland]

I'm very surprised that Apple would allow download of these sorts of video clips without DRM. This just seems like the perfect opportunity to test the video download model for DRM-related issues.

[GregA]

If they sell videos online, they might incorporate a similar protocol like BitTorrent to easy the burden on their servers and their bandwidth. Doing so, they may be able to sell the licenses for a dollar or two.I'd like to see BitTorrent used for selling videos or any other download service. Especially if it was modified to download off the closest available machines - why download off someone in a different state or country if there's someone down the road.

[Sunrunner]

Has anyone noted that the PSP has a pixel ratio of 480 x 272? I believe that the video player doesn't take advantage of the full ratio tho'.

anyone attempted this?


Perhaps thats the Sony - Apple partnership thats been hinted about (MWSF '05) Sony starts using iTMS, and the future iTVS... featuring PSP and PS3 compatability..... :eek:


PS - Check out my new sig.... muahahahahaha

[~Shard~]

PS - Check out my new sig.... muahahahahaha

You spend all that money and then you cheap out and don't go for the 30" display? :p

[Sunrunner]

You spend all that money and then you cheap out and don't go for the 30" display? :p


The 30" was: a) so big it didn't look like it would fit right on my desk, and b) another 1500 for only 7" didn't seem like much of a value.

If I wanted more screen space, Id rather get another 23" and span my desktop across the two.

[iriejedi]

What is the resolution of the iPod color's screen?

those video dimentions sound familiar

[Jeromie]

The video download feature is cool and the harbinger of things to come, but for now I'm most excited about the inclusion of the liner notes in pdf form. I've been waiting for this since the availibility of online music. I like to have all the liner notes, not just the cover art. With the liner notes AND the video, it now seems that iTunes has added value to the standard CD release.

[greenguy4]

anyone know why 4.8 is not available through the Software Updater?

[pockyrevolution]

480x272 is the exact scren size of the PSP. Some one test.

[Savage Henry]

The video download feature is cool and the harbinger of things to come, but for now I'm most excited about the inclusion of the liner notes in pdf form. I've been waiting for this since the availibility of online music. I like to have all the liner notes, not just the cover art. With the liner notes AND the video, it now seems that iTunes has added value to the standard CD release.I realise they are adding to the service, but I think it's all fluff. I read the liner notes once and they stay on the shelf seeing as I don't really need them with my pod or in the car when I am listening to the music. And videos on a screen as small as a PSP or pod is just ridiculous. It's nice to know Apple are developing all the time without waiting until the product goes stale, but I only see these efforts as puff.

[september29th]

What is the resolution of the iPod color's screen?

those video dimentions sound familiar


220 x 176 pixel resolution, 0.18-mm dot pitch

is the pixel resolution on the iPod color.

.mCr.

[bbyrdhouse]

...

PS - Check out my new sig.... muahahahahaha

You must have had to mortgage your house to get a set up like that. :eek:

[Sunrunner]

You must have had to mortgage your house to get a set up like that. :eek:

expensive yes.... but it's sooo worth it.... like pure electronic crack.

[scu]

Do you know what i am thinking. If apple would say start a sort of cinema.. You go to the iTunes Music/Movie Store and you go to movies then you buy a movie ticket...ok. Movies only show at certain times just like in the cinemas.. The advantage of this is that now you can watch movies at home and you dont have to go all the way down to the cinema to watch it. Most people nowadays have home cinema systems anyway so this would be great. I for one would be really interested. The video quality would also be really good since it will be streaming in H.264.
Well this is my thought...take as you wish..but it would be an awesome idea..me thinks


Interesting concept. However, I think those who go to the theater do so to get out of the house. They enjoy getting together with hundreds of strangers to watch a movie.

The other factor is that, one would have to have a pretty big screen to simulate the large screen of the theater. A super big screen is part of the experience of watching Star Wars or some other big budget movie.

The future does look bright for video and the internet. Apple is doing some incredible things which will pay off even more in 5 years from now.

[slffl]

I remember when videos were made as a tool to PROMOTE THE SONG! I can't believe cell phone companies, and now apple, are actually selling these and people are buying them.

[~Shard~]

The 30" was: a) so big it didn't look like it would fit right on my desk, and b) another 1500 for only 7" didn't seem like much of a value.

If I wanted more screen space, Id rather get another 23" and span my desktop across the two.

Fair enough then! Yah, that's a sweet setup...

Are you going to feel bad when Jobs announces the 3 GHz G5s at WWDC in a month? ;)

[~Shard~]

anyone know why 4.8 is not available through the Software Updater?

I checked for it too and didn't find it, so I just downloaded it from Apple's site.

[Spades]

Why would video just be movies? What about TV shows. Think about the latest trends in TV; HD, Tivo, and yes, BitTorrent. These days half the people I know don't watch TV shows when they're on, but they record them on Tivo. A smaller number of people I know download TV shows, in HD, with BitTorrent. And how many people have you heard want ala carte cable and on demand programming? The couch potato population is declining, and people are getting picky about what they watch. Follow the trend and you reach...

The iTunes TV store. Single television shows for maybe $1. HD shows for $2. Complete season and series subscriptions reasonably priced. And maybe, just maybe, the original promise of cable finally fulfilled: NO ADS!

[After G]

1) Apple wont sell H.264 videos in iTunes because only G5s can play them - iPods can't.

Doesn't H.264 scale down so videos can play on cell phones?
Not sure, but I think an iPod processor can compare to the one in a phone.
Maybe iTunes in future will scale the music videos down for iPod playback?

It's just a thought ...

[WebScud]

I know it sounds odd, but aren't those specs for a PSP video?...

Edit: I see someone beat me to that thought. :D

[sky131]

Has anyone tried to see if the videos share using the music sharing feature in iTunes?

I also am waiting for it to show up in software update...

[Dr.Gargoyle]

I checked for it too and didn't find it, so I just downloaded it from Apple's site.
But shouldn't be available through SU? I thought that all updates were available throught SU. Am I missing something here?

[Peace]

Has anyone tried to see if the videos share using the music sharing feature in iTunes?

I also am waiting for it to show up in software update...

I tried sharing a video between my G5 and my Powerbook with the video hosted on the G5.The Powerbook could not see the video.

Also re: software update.
Some people have reported problems using software update.I suspect it to be a limited,sparse bug having to do with the way some people installed 10.4 then used backup to restore previous settings from ILife,Calendar and one other backup.This could also be a tiny bug in 10.4 Server..dunno
:)

[~Shard~]

But shouldn't be available through SU? I thought that all updates were available throught SU. Am I missing something here?

Normally they are - dunno why this one is different. Nonetheless, I wasn't letting that stop me from having my latest iTunes. :cool:

[DPazdanISU]

downloading dave's new cd as we speak- i hope the video with it is good. I'm happy to see dave is putting his stuff on itms. I'm a huge fan and it was bothering me. Eventually when they release all their cds on itms im sure they'll include videos with all album purchases.

[dan_]

I'm not an av expert, but it seems to me that if my G4 can't play H.264 then there is no way the iPod will be able to for some time. If video does get on the iPod it won't be H.264.

Your G4 can play H.264, just not HD. I'm in the same boat, but I can still watch and export normal H.264 files in Quicktime 7 Pro.

[elevenpower]

Sounds interesting, i'm downloading 4.8 as I type this. I also wonder why it wasn't available via System Update.

Also, does this mean that Apple is going to stop having the music videos for free in the music store?

[darkmatter05]

Sounds interesting, i'm downloading 4.8 as I type this. I also wonder why it wasn't available via System Update.

Also, does this mean that Apple is going to stop having the music videos for free in the music store?
Doubt it, it would be cool however to DL an album with all the videos for it :D. erm, if they did make u pay for the music video page, then id die..

[nate]

Perhaps thats the Sony - Apple partnership thats been hinted about (MWSF '05) Sony starts using iTMS, and the future iTVS... featuring PSP and PS3 compatability..... :eek:




This is what I found on the PSP site:

http://www.us.playstation.com/consoles.aspx?id=4


The display is 480 x 272 pixels.

Installed codecs:

H.264/MPEG-4 AVC
MPEG-4 SP
AAC
linear PCM
Atrack3plus
MP3


I don't know if AAC and H.264 support means you can import iTunes stuff onto the PSP, but it could be a possibility. I also noticed there was no WMA support.


--nate


PS

When I ran iTunes 4.7 this morning, a popup appeared asking if I want the new 4.8 version; I clicked yes.

[MontyZ]

I don't care about video. I'd much rather the ability to download ALL the liner artwork, lyrics and credits for a CD that you don't get now when buying stuff from iTunes. Surely this shouldn't be difficult to do. I like knowing the lyrics and the names of all artists and producers related to a song or CD.

[guifa]

Morcheeba has a new album?? I just looked at their website yesterday and saw no mention of it.

Just checked their website, STILL no mention of it... and they have an EP out too! WTF? Someone better remind the band that they're still on the web.
Are you sure you're going to the official site (http://www.morcheeba.co.uk)? They've been advertising it for quite some time. Morcheeba has a new singer, though fear not, she handles the position well.

[Doctor Q]

Some brave volunteer should create an "iTunes with video" iMix, for iTMS songs that have accompanying videos, and keep it up to date while there are only a small number of such songs. Once such tunes become the norm, with hundreds or thousands of them, such a list won't be as important.

[d.perel]

Can the videos be sent to iMovie? (I don't think this was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I may have missed it :p )

[Bonte]

Wasn't there in the early days an option in osX to buy stock photo's?

I want to see photo's, books in PDF and comics. In principe they can sell all that is downloadable, not to big in size and typically costs between 0,99 and 9,99 $.

iPhoto for Windows? They sell beautiful photoalbums so it makes sense, especially in combination with iTunes selling photo's and stuff.

[asif786]

Wasn't there in the early days an option in osX to buy stock photo's?

I want to see photo's, books in PDF and comics. In principe they can sell all that is downloadable, not to big in size and typically costs between 0,99 and 9,99 $.

iPhoto for Windows? They sell beautiful photoalbums so it makes sense, especially in combination with iTunes selling photo's and stuff.

personally, i would *hate* to see iphoto ported to pc. we mac users pay apple's high prices so that the money can go to research & development. i dont want to pay frikkin' £1000+ for a computer so that apple can go and develop the same software on windows..it sorta defeats the object of having a mac.

besides, apple hardly make any money on iphoto books. most of it goes to kodak.

p.s. sorry if it sounded like i was personally attacking you; i wasnt.

[pubwvj]

Do you know what i am thinking. If apple would say start a sort of cinema.. You go to the iTunes Music/Movie Store and you go to movies then you buy a movie ticket...ok. Movies only show at certain times just like in the cinemas.. The advantage of this is that now you can watch movies at home and you dont have to go all the way down to the cinema to watch it. Most people nowadays have home cinema systems anyway so this would be great. I for one would be really interested. The video quality would also be really good since it will be streaming in H.264.
Well this is my thought...take as you wish..but it would be an awesome idea..me thinks

Wow! That is the WORST idea I have ever heard of. The beauty of DVDs/VHS/DownloadableMovies is you can watch them when you want to, rewind, fast forward and do it on _YOUR_ schedule. Cinemas are aweful - an attrocity who's time has past.

[Bonte]

personally, i would *hate* to see iphoto ported to pc. we mac users pay apple's high prices so that the money can go to research & development. i dont want to pay frikkin' £1000+ for a computer so that apple can go and develop the same software on windows..it sorta defeats the object of having a mac.

besides, apple hardly make any money on iphoto books. most of it goes to kodak.

p.s. sorry if it sounded like i was personally attacking you; i wasnt.

Its creating revenue just like iTunes and the iPod photo edition, it makes sense to me. That doesn't mean i want to see all the good apps go to windows but i think it helps the halo effect were having now. Or they'll keep it mac only to lure more switchers. There is definitely something coming and Apple must be feeling good these days so ... :D

[GregA]

A few questions....

... firstly, doesn't iTunes convert songs to AAC-128 for the iPod Shuffle?
If so, does it sync film clips - converted to AAC-128 music-only?

... secondly, someone asked if iPod photo has an error when you sync movies. It did not for me. But I couldn't find my new video playlist at all. I decided to run the 3/23 firmware update and now since I don't have my AC powerpack with me I can't restart my iPod.... will update later. Anyone else know if the iPod Photo has any special features with this update?

and...
personally, i would *hate* to see iphoto ported to pc. we mac users pay apple's high prices so that the money can go to research & development. i dont want to pay frikkin' £1000+ for a computer so that apple can go and develop the same software on windows..it sorta defeats the object of having a mac.What's wrong with the PC users helping to pay for our research and development? If they're helping fund Apple innovation (and choose to use a PC, while I choose to use a Mac), so much the better for Apple.

[doogle]

Are we entering an age of music videos purely made for handhelds and their small format screens? I already make specific content for mobile phones (cellphones) and maybe the iPod is next?!
For content makers like me I sure hope so - this could be a whole new market for music video makers...

[herbalizer]

question:

Is h.264 an apple/quicktime only thing or will other companies be able to use it?

I'd be happy if more apple apps were for windows. I have to use windows at work so I'm stuck with crap other than itunes.

[nate]

Movie Trailers on the Apple site are starting to come out in full screen veiw using iTunes.

Visit the Harry Potter (The Goblet of Fire) trailer and click on "full screen" -- up comes iTunes.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/harry_potter/thegobletoffire/


--nate

[asif786]

and...
What's wrong with the PC users helping to pay for our research and development? If they're helping fund Apple innovation (and choose to use a PC, while I choose to use a Mac), so much the better for Apple.

that's the whole point - they wouldn't be contributing, what i'm trying to say is:

porting iphoto to the pc (when there's already picasa from google) is pointless. the revenue that the iphoto book printing service makes is minute. apple wouldn't be able to charge for it, because people would just use picasa.

making 'ivideo' (an app for the video store) and porting it to pc would of course be great. it would be silly for apple not to do that. because something like the video store would actually generate revenue. unlike iphoto book printing.

and remember, apple is a hardware company. they dont charge much for their software (ilife) because you *have* to buy their hardware to use it. and that's where they make the real bucks..

[GregA]

Is h.264 an apple/quicktime only thing or will other companies be able to use it?Apple is intimately involved with h264 afaik, but it is an open standard.

h264 will be used as 1 of 3 standards on the next generation DVDs (also Microsoft's VC-1/"WMV-HD", and standard MPEG2), and is also being picked up by payTV companies for HDTV.

The general trend is that companies with an investment in MPEG2 are finding MPEG4-10 more familiar and easier to move to, so they're leaning towards using it. Telephone companies offering TV for the first time down ADSL are evaluating VC1 vs h264 more openly and seem to be finding very little difference in them from a cost/benefit analysis.

So yeah there's be plenty of other companies using h264.
Greg

[GregA]

porting iphoto to the pc (when there's already picasa from google) is pointless.If iPhoto is no different to the competition, I would argue that Apple should be making it AT ALL. But the integration with iPod is enough reason for me to want iPhoto. Anyway, Apple shouldn't port iPhoto unless it's profitable for them - either by selling the product or selling more devices that connect to it.
and remember, apple is a hardware company. they dont charge much for their software (ilife) because you *have* to buy their hardware to use it. and that's where they make the real bucks..Bah, apple is a hardware AND software company. They don't charge much for their software because you have *already* paid for it in the overall Mac package (including hardware and software). The 20% margins "on hardware" pay for the software - which has historically meant that although Apple presents it's figures as a higher markup than other hardware manufacturers, it has a lower profitability (historically 0% or so). So they could also say it's 0% margins on hardware (no matter how much they sell) and 0% margins on software (at the current rate of sales).

The good thing is that Apple increased it's share of computer sales recently, and their software costs are reasonably fixed (not linked to amount of hardware sold) - so the 20% on extra 'hardware' sales becomes largely profit.

[Trowaman]

Just wanted to say i got the Gorillaz videos, quality is pretty good and they are all (well except Tibet) pretty funny. If they keep us being able to watch the music videos for free, but add in special making of videos or shorts like with the Gorillaz it would be a great new feature and would seriously start getting rid of the "I'd rather buy a full CD" instead of an album on iTunes. I currently prefer iTunes for singles but not for CDs, however if this keeps going like this i may switch over soon.

[GregA]

Anyone notice that when you watch a trailer in iTunes with Quicktime, you now have the option to save the trailer to your hard disk?

I used to have Quicktime 6 Pro (Now Quicktime 7 Std), so maybe that was already offered in iTunes - but I thought saving was only for the Pro users.???

[Bonte]

that's the whole point - they wouldn't be contributing, what i'm trying to say is:

porting iphoto to the pc (when there's already picasa from google) is pointless. the revenue that the iphoto book printing service makes is minute. apple wouldn't be able to charge for it, because people would just use picasa.

Not if they sell stock photography, pdf books and comics via iTunes/iPhoto.

[stephenli]

I used to have Quicktime 6 Pro (Now Quicktime 7 Std), so maybe that was already offered in iTunes - but I thought saving was only for the Pro users.???

yes. pro users only. Apple did mentioned it on its website.

right....it seems that download a whole movie really take time.
e.g. an hour for 1GB. is it practically feasible to provide this service??
However, music video is seems to be a good idea closer to reality - though it still take time, but in a level that could be tolerate.
Then, Apple. Why not iPod Extreme(?!) for Music Video and movie trailer
:cool: :cool: :cool:

btw, does anybody know if any format of video could embed DRM?

[stephenli]

well actually.
Japanese CD album always comes with a DVD of music video recently with several dollars in addition.
so Apple right now is doing sth equivalent to what you could enjoy while purchasing a CD.
good.

[1macker1]

I wonder did the update to iTunes kill off hte iTunes Extractor utility that someone came up with a while back. If not, why would anyone buy a video.

[ijimk]

i think this is an advantage you could use to get more itunes downloads in itunes versus buying the CD. :D

[GregA]

yes. pro users only. Apple did mentioned it on its website.Yeah but stephen, I upgraded from QT6 Pro to QT 7 (NOT Pro) - and when I watch a trailer via iTunes 4.8, it allows me to save it!

Is it no longer pro users only?

[~Shard~]

Yeah but stephen, I upgraded from QT6 Pro to QT 7 (NOT Pro) - and when I watch a trailer via iTunes 4.8, it allows me to save it!

Is it no longer pro users only?

Interesting, can anyone else confirm this?

[GregA]

Interesting, can anyone else confirm this?To clarify what I've found... I just tried again.

I opened Harry Potter and no luck saving either on the website or the iTMS. The batman trailer 4 though (small or large) had save available on iTMS, but not on the website.

[~Shard~]

To clarify what I've found... I just tried again.

I opened Harry Potter and no luck saving either on the website or the iTMS. The batman trailer 4 though (small or large) had save available on iTMS, but not on the website.

Weird, I guess I'll have too play around with this a bit myself then...

[IanC]

well actually.
Japanese CD album always comes with a DVD of music video recently with several dollars in addition.
so Apple right now is doing sth equivalent to what you could enjoy while purchasing a CD.
good.

Not just albums, singles do too

[VanNess]

It's finally showing up in Tiger's software update now. The DVD player update is still missing in action in software update

[MontyZ]

I just noticed that iTunes 4.8 has finally shown up in Software Update, too (still using 10.3.9).

I'm a little hestitant about downloading it because of all the problems people seem to be having with it.

[BornAgainMac]

I just noticed that iTunes 4.8 has finally shown up in Software Update, too (still using 10.3.9).

I'm a little hestitant about downloading it because of all the problems people seem to be having with it.

My main problem with it is that it doesn't seem to be any different than 4.7.

[wdlove]

I just noticed that iTunes 4.8 has finally shown up in Software Update, too (still using 10.3.9).

I'm a little hesitant about downloading it because of all the problems people seem to be having with it.

I'm still running 10.3.9. Downloaded iTunes 4.8, no problems incurred.

[MontyZ]

I'm still running 10.3.9. Downloaded iTunes 4.8, no problems incurred.
Okay, that is good to know. I think I'll give it a go tonight.